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Straight forward
01-30-2017, 01:41 AM
Let's count down contenders:

1. SPAIN. A bit reluctantly and with some doubts I'm saying Spain is still No.1 to win it all. No other NT has the depth and champs vibe like Spain. Obviously Pau used to be the guarantee of success for them and it's hard to expect him to be there, but they do have options. If they will pack one of the Gasols, they're good to go with guys like Llull, Redriguez, Rubio and Hernangomez will give them size and toughness under the boards as well. Probably most vulnerable in years, but I simply can't put anyone else in the first place.

2. SERBIA. Coherence, Teo, upcoming super talent Jokič and the recent success. Serbia poised to contend.

3. FRANCE. New post-Parker era upcoming. Gobert, Seraphin, Lauvergne (and still Diaw?) will be a tough frontcourt to handle, all glued by De Colo and Batum. Wouldn't they lack true leadership though.

4. CROATIA. A bit unpopular pick as Croatia yet to establish as a true winner, powerhouse, but they are coming and it was obvious in OG. Bogdanovic, Hezonja, Saric, Simon all are ready for big games and likely Bender might already see some minutes. Croatia is a bit shaky, but if Bogdanovic and Saric will play BIG Croatia can expect good things to come.

5. LITHUANIA. Finalists of 2 previous Eurobaskets won't be easy to handle as always. I expect most of the players to come as next 2018 is a window. Lekavicius and Grigonis should shake calm backourt waters hopefully. Sabonis and Kuzminskas poised for bigger role and a possible trump card - Motiejunas.

6. GREECE. A bit out of the map recently long year powerhouse. Still extremely deep team which struggled to succeed has one of the most explosive players in the word (Greek Freak) and eager to get back on track. They should re-establish identity. Winning identity.

7. ITALY. Used to be half a step from the glory last few years. If they will pack all best players, should be among contenders again. Yet Italy might be a bit irritated with all those loses, some players collapsing mentally (Gentille). Fast to play big and to crash I suppose.

And things get complicated...very complicated...

8. TURKEY. I must go with Turkey. They are host and respectable team which had success at home before. Turkey recently had great success at youth category, yet they are about to build almost entirely new core and unfortunately for them they won't have Kanter as a guy to go. The question is - do they have ripped material to fight for big things.

9. LATVIA. Underrated team which potentially might pack Porzingis. But he's not the only one to shine - Davis Bertans is a heck of an athletic stretch 4. Latvia one of the dark horses of the EB.

10. SLOVENIA. Recent 17yo sensation Doncic linked with Goran Dragic. Sounds pretty good. Couple of other solid guards. Permanently underperforming Slovenia opens new page with new BB prodigy. They need a whole bunch, whole core including competitive frontline to realistically compete for high though.

11. GEORGIA. Another underrated team which can cause a lot of trouble. Great starting 5, but a bit short bench. Pachulia is good as ever :)

12. RUSSIA. To low? Probably, but they used to be a mess. Can they collect all their best player and to bounce back?It's a test for Kirlilenko as a president of federation. They might be a powerhouse, but they are so out of the map now. They need to gather them selves mentally in the first place and to clean the mess inside.

13. CZECH REPUBLIC. Satoransky and Vesely. Could be a pain in the ass again, just like in 2015 EB.

14. POLAND. Gortat, Lampe, Karnowski. Solid roster, solid team. I doubt they would go anywhere far though.

15-17, FINLAND. UKRAINE, BELGIUM. Teams which had some surprising success recently. No idea if they can keep it up. Specially Finland. Ukraine might be pretty good if Alex Len and all players show up. The same with Belgium which has some solid athletic backourt.

18. GERMANY. Another team looking forward to a new era. Maybe first steps to the bright future. Paul Zipser, Schröder and plenty of youngs.

19. MONTENEGRO. Vucevic and Co. Pekovic unfortunately retiring from basketball. However it's rather competitive Balkan team.

20. ISRAEL. Hosts. High expectations. Tough group. The only true international name Casspi. Tough task.

21. GREAT BRITAIN. No idea what kind of team do they bring. Might be way too low or absolutely spot on as a non-basketball country.

22-24. HUNGARY. ROMANIA. ICELAND.

Levenspiel
01-30-2017, 12:35 PM
8. TURKEY. I must go with Turkey. They are host and respectable team which had success at home before. Turkey recently had great success at youth category, yet they are about to build almost entirely new core and unfortunately for them they won't have Kanter as a guy to go. The question is - do they have ripped material to fight for big things.

22-24. HUNGARY. ROMANIA. ICELAND.
Quite optimistic prediction for Turkey, thanks. I don't even know if we can field a decent 12-men roster. Maybe they can start building on upcoming talents like Ulubay, Gecim etc, but the new coach, Ufuk Sarica, does not give me much hope.

Hungary on the other hand could fare a bit better, they came with 6-0 from the qualies on top of previous EuroBasket teams G.Britain and MKD. But I doubt they can push out any of Czech Rep or Montenegro for the first 4 places.

For a better evaluation, we should consider the composition of the groups.

Group A: France, Greece, Slovenia, Finland*, Poland, Iceland
Group B: Lithuania, Italy, Germany, Ukraine, Israel*,Georgia
Group B: Spain, Croatia, Czech Rep, Montenegro, Hungary, Romania*
Group D: Serbia, Russia, Turkey*, Latvia, Great Britain, Belgium

Picek
01-31-2017, 09:43 AM
but the new coach, Ufuk Sarica, does not give me much hope.why is that?
he is not a hyped coach but he is doing a good job with his teams.
his teams are playing good looking team basketball.
I have a high oppinnion about him, would put him above any other turkish coach at the moment.

Victorious
02-01-2017, 01:40 PM
Wouldn't a power ranking be more interesting than the final predictions? We often see top teams being eliminated in prior to the semi's, but that's mostly because of the competition system. The end result says quite little of the team. Unless the team is Champion.
So here it goes:

1.Spain They were clearly the best team aside from the USA last year. I expect them to be the same this year.
2.Serbia A full roster and a good average age, but more importantly, they have become accustomed in playing together for a couple of seasons now.
3.France Tony Parker may not be part of the team, but that doesn't necessarily have to be bad. Still a lot of talent for France.

4.Greece They were eliminated in the OQT last year against the Croats, but Greece missed some key players. I can't help but think that with Printezis, Papanikolaou, Sloukas and Pappas they have the potential to be somewhat better that last year.
5. Italy It's obvious the Italians are coming back again in the word stage of basketball. They can make the QF no matter what. Then they can beat anyone on any given day. I ranked them fifth, but they can go even further.
6. Croatia During the OQT they gained some good momentum after beating Greece and Italy. But they will have to repeat the good results at least one more summer if I were to consider Croatia more than top 6 material.
7. Lithuania Like every non-Lithuanian I always underestimate these guys so they can reach the final once again.


^^The above four teams are more or less on par with each other.

8. Germany Ze Germans are slowly maturing in the game of basketball. Even without an uber-player like Nowitzki.
9. Turkey Surely they will be far better than 9th since they play at home. Semi finals are quite likely. But roster wise they are on par with Russia and Germany.
10. Russia Probably getting a bit stronger again.

11. Belgium Not quite as strong as the above teams, but not far from it either. The Belgians have invested in their team for quite some years now.
12. Slovena
13. Finland
14. Montenegro
15. CZ
16. Israel
17. How many teams are playing nowadays? Let's leave it here.

An extra note. Aside from the rankings, all teams are closer to each other than ever. Especially 4 to 12.

Mindozas
02-01-2017, 04:31 PM
Wouldn't a power ranking be more interesting than the final predictions?

I guess it doesn't really matter now, one way or another now it looks like not some ranking for 2017 tournament, but pure power ranking of European NTs :) As this Eurobasket is the first one in modern era, which isn't qualifier to any major tournament, none can say how teams will look like in September. I simply have no clue how players will react to it, I just hope it won't turn into another withdrawal fest like 2013 or even bigger. So personally I'll wait atleast till summer to think about mine ranking, too unpredictable situation now IMO :)

G&B
02-03-2017, 07:45 AM
yet no one knows, what the players come to the championship

okanial
02-03-2017, 06:39 PM
Sarıca had a lot of success with Karşıyaka and now coaching an overachieving Beşiktaş. The only thing scares me is about him is how he treated Güven in Karşıyaka. Right now we need to adapt and develop youngsters in NT such as Ulubay, Yurtseven, Geçim, Taşkıran, Özdemiroğlu, Koşut. I hope he does that instead of playing the old guys. I know he plays good in Beşiktaş with him but for example I don`t want to see Muratcan Güler in NT. That`s my only worry. I think this competition should be where we give keys of the NT to Osman-Korkmaz-Ulubay core. Ant similar to 2006 world cup we can overachieve with players who just want to prove themselves

G&B
02-18-2017, 01:20 PM
There is no known final composition of the teams,so it is hard to talk about , but there is a national teams which has a lot of high deep rotation players, and in any case, the fight for the medals are: Spain, Lithuania, France maybe even Serbia. The following is a teams that can achieve high results if you have all of your best basketballs players are: Greece, Slovenia, Croatia, Italy and Latvia. Other teams practically not have chance.

(Team Lists the groups in random order)

Straight forward
02-19-2017, 12:43 AM
but there is a national teams which has a lot of high deep rotation players, and in any case, the fight for the medals are: Spain, Lithuania, France maybe even Serbia.

Maybe even Serbia...:D Cool story bro.

cigarafterten
02-19-2017, 03:52 PM
I would not be surprised to see an all jugobasket final at Eurobasket 2017

G&B
02-21-2017, 05:22 PM
I would not be surprised to see an all jugobasket final at Eurobasket 2017



I think a real chance of 1-5%:

Serbia - Croatia 5%
Serbia Slovenian 3%
Croatia - Slovenia 1%

Shawshank
02-25-2017, 06:58 PM
I believe this eurobasket someone from Greece /Italy gonna win a medal.They choke so many times , its time when they will get some luck in playoffs.Other main semifinal contenders will be same teams from 2013-2016 period.

vuxsa
03-07-2017, 09:32 AM
Serbia clear favorite. And not because it's my team, but it's just a fact. Interesting article on Serbian B92 portal yesterday going about sweet torment of coach Djordjevic's pending decisions on C position. Deep rotation on practically all positions.
Anyhow lots of things depending on the response of players and injury lists. For us, things at this moment look fine - all players seem to be willing to play. I really hope that players from all NTs will respond and compete in last tournament before 2 year pause. If that happens, than Serbia, Spain, France and Greece for me are top contenders (as said I give edge to Serbia). From second row, Lithuania, Croatia and maybe Italy.

Picek
03-12-2017, 07:45 AM
For us, things at this moment look fine - all players seem to be willing to play. .
Marković left the NT so your statement is not true.

vuxsa
03-12-2017, 10:12 AM
Marković left the NT so your statement is not true.

Yes I know he left. Markovic told he's done, so I don't count hum to the roster. Out of players who are to be counted, all seem to be willing to play. Markovic will be missed with his tremendeous deffensive skills and solid clutch performanse, but Teo, Jovic and Nedovic can cover PG with ease.

Obina
03-12-2017, 10:47 AM
First we must see final rosters. Spain is still No1 favorite with brothers, without them they are not.

About my team, key players are Teo, Jokic, Bjelica and Bogdanovic. I hope to see Marjanovic or Kuzmic instead of Stimac.

Italian Pride
03-13-2017, 02:43 PM
@Shawswhank:Italy for medal?with this team of losers?Lol

I hope to see Pascolo,Melli,Abass,Fontecchio and Cervi in the next eurobasket for many minutes!

target 1/8 final

Shawshank
03-15-2017, 05:44 PM
For Italy it was one shot from semifinal in eurobasket2015,one shot from Olympic games.There can come time when that belinelis nonsense shot gonna fall in :) You were really close in 2015 and now not to try to learn from it,but destroy entire team would be stupid desicion.You will never win a medal,if after dissapointing tournament gonna change half of the team.Either way Messina wont do that.Those playoofs looses makes your players stronger and wiser.This eurobasket2017 is last chance for Bellineli's generation to win a medal.

Straight forward
03-16-2017, 12:29 AM
I think most talented player of Italy is clearly Gallinari and he's at the prime of his BB career. Belinelli is not that old yet as well 30yo. Bargnani 31. The question is - does Italy have mental strength to gather together and to play coherent basketball. They had one of the best teams on on the paper in 2015, but they played a little too primitive BB. Too much ISO, hero ball. Yet they still were close of getting to the semis. I think Messina should try to build around Gallinari, to make some priorities and to cut some of big stars. To me it would be Bargnani and I would keep Belinelli under short leash. And Italy has to actually play defence. The team has the same problems as some Balkan teams, plenty of talent, but no coherence, correct state of mind.

Joško Poljak Fan
03-16-2017, 09:04 AM
If I were coaching Italy, I'd leave Bargnani and Belinelli home, in case they were having the same effect as in the past, in my opinion that improves Italian chances by a lot. Not that they're bad players, but in the past they didn't fit one bit and hurted their team.

It will be interesting to see how Antetekoumpo can mold in with the Greek team.

When Serbs are not hungry and are considered as a favourites, that didn't work out on some occasions in the past.

Croatia has all the talent and all the psychos possible, together in the same team. Have no idea how to fix that and I don't think their coach does either.

Slovenia hasn't produced a noticable big man since Erazem Lorbek, he didn't pass the medical for some really average teams this year, however might still be the best PF/C we've got and play for NT - that says it all :D

Spain is great individualy yet getting old.

Turkey has the ussual issue with lacking some better guards for my taste.

Russia will probably put up a defensively very strong team and overachieve compared to general expectations

Lithuanian backcourt is getting old, yet in the past that prooved to be to their advantage, wouldn't count them out for some good result.

imo France is the favourite with or without Parker, they're probably the strongest team in europe as far as individual quality goes and stacked at every position.

usagre
03-16-2017, 11:20 AM
It will be interesting to see how Antetekoumpo can mold in with the Greek team.


I think the Greek team has to be molded in to his style of play and capabilities not the other way around. When one player is a transformative talent and the rest of the team are pretty much marginal players if you don't build it and coach it that way you are really doing a disservice to the team and their chance of success.

CoachZ
03-16-2017, 01:54 PM
It will be interesting to see how Antetekoumpo can mold in with the Greek team.


I think the Greek team has to be molded in to his style of play and capabilities not the other way around. When one player is a transformative talent and the rest of the team are pretty much marginal players if you don't build it and coach it that way you are really doing a disservice to the team and their chance of success.

That is true. The problem is that coaching egos of Europe are way too big and they will try to make a system and then make Giannis a part of it. He was terribly misused in the past and he didn't play that well. I think that in general he seems to need a lot of mental improvement as a player since we can see in the NBA also that he doesn't respond well to being out of his comfort zone. I think that Greeks need to go for a team with defensive upside and surround Giannis with length and athleticism/transition.

Lineup like:

Calathes
Sloukas
Giannis
Printezis
Koufos

Should be able to move very well and put a lot of pressure on the ball and the passing lanes. From there a lot can be generated in transition. Then just run the second unit with Mantzaris/Papas/Perperoglou/K-Pap/Bourousis. I think that could work out well, and they could adapt to many challenges. They would be a bit limited shooting wise but still, other aspects should not be that bad.

usagre
03-16-2017, 03:17 PM
@Coach Z . Yeah I definitely agree they need to play fast and I think Printezis can also benefit from Giannis' play making. It's just unfortunate that they have not produced any shooters recently.

Andy Capé
03-16-2017, 05:16 PM
@Coach Z . Yeah I definitely agree they need to play fast and I think Printezis can also benefit from Giannis' play making. It's just unfortunate that they have not produced any shooters recently.

Sloukas is a good shooter, Pappas is not bad either if he comes.
Perperoglou and Papanikolaou have a rather good shot, but it is true that there are no exceptional shooters in the team.

But I would like Greece to start again, not many good results since the departure of the trio Papaloukas-Diamantidis-Spanoulis.

G&B
03-16-2017, 08:46 PM
I think if Latvia will gather all of its best players (Porzingis, brothers Bertrans, Strelniks, Tima, ....), it will surprise a lot of teams, they should be able to dig in even Serbia, but in reality I think the group second place guaranteed.

Victorious
03-16-2017, 09:19 PM
Sloukas is a good shooter, Pappas is not bad either if he comes.
Perperoglou and Papanikolaou have a rather good shot, but it is true that there are no exceptional shooters in the team.

But I would like Greece to start again, not many good results since the departure of the trio Papaloukas-Diamantidis-Spanoulis.

Perhaps Greece does not have an excellent shooter, but almost anyone can shoot. Including Printezis, Papapetrou and Bouroussis. Imo Greece's result will largely depend on the coach and whether he can glue them together.

usagre
03-17-2017, 12:03 AM
That is true. The problem is that coaching egos of Europe are way too big

Yeah I definitely agree. I liken it to big name NCAA coaches. It was said that Dean Smith was the only one who could stop Jordan offensively while he coached him at a North Carolina.

CoachZ
03-17-2017, 12:36 AM
Yeah I definitely agree. I liken it to big name NCAA coaches. It was said that Dean Smith was the only one who could stop Jordan offensively while he coached him at a North Carolina.

It's become a very big issue. During the basketball golden years of Yugoslavia (late 80s), coaches did a great job of managing players, creating a unique style of play and then letting the talent flourish. Those teams were stacked with talent, roles were fluid and not everything was micromanaged to the last single detail, players were no super-specialists in their roles and not everything had to be scripted and run a certain way. Those teams just ran over people, because talent was given room to be great. Much has changed since then. Since the mid-90s systems became more intricate, players lost a lot of freedom, micromanagement to a fault is present everywhere. This is I believe a wrong approach for a national team.

Club basketball can benefit from this a lot, due to long seasons and pressure to perform every single game and play against top teams in Euroleague etc. National teams usually flourish when they are given freedom and fluidity within the system. Like I mentioned, Yugo/Serbia teams of the 80s and 90s, Spain of 2000s, they all enjoyed prolonged success because talent was given room to play to it's potential. That is something that will rarely be seen today.

Regarding Dean Smith, I always thought he is the most overrated NCAA coach. With the level of talent he has enjoyed over his coaching career, two national championships (one with possibly the best team ever in NCAA in 82, with Jordan, Worthy and Perkins and the second one vs Fab Five of Michigan, who were so full of themselves and basically shit their pants in that game). I never understood the hype about him. He is a coach who's biggest contribution to modern college basketball is running the Four Corners into oblivion to stall the games when he had even a slim lead. Fucking NCAA had to introduce a shot clock because of this.

CoachZ
03-17-2017, 12:42 AM
On another topic, a bit of a scary few days for Serbia.

Bjelica left a game yesterday in crutches and his foot injury is deemed serious. He was shut down by the Wolves for the rest of the season. If it is a broken foot/ligaments etc. This might even jeopardize his participation in the next Eurobasket.

Tonight also Bogdanovic went down again in pain, with an ankle injury to the same ankle that he has injured earlier this year and missed a lot of time. That is never good. But we will know more about that in a few days. Let's hope it's not a serious injury but rather a sprain...

usagre
03-17-2017, 12:52 AM
@ Coach Z. I absolutely agree. As we both argued in the past club basketball as opposed to national team play is a whole different ball game due to the limited preparation and actual game play time. It is so easy to over coach when you have limited time and get too intricate. And as for Dean Smith I couldn't agree more.
He had the incredible talent for 25 years and as you stated won only 2 titles. And if you look even closer you could argue he was lucky to even win those two. Chris Webber non existent time out call that cost them that game and although much attention us giving to the Jordan jump shot that won him his first title, Ewing actually dominated that game and a Georgetown had the ball with a chance to win in the closing seconds but committed a famous unbelievable turn over by literally handing the ball to the opposing team.
Bobby Knight in my opinion was and always will be the standard by which college coaches are judged on.
He never had grade A talent but coached them up and won at an incredible rate.

usagre
03-17-2017, 12:57 AM
On another topic, a bit of a scary few days for Serbia.

Bjelica left a game yesterday in crutches and his foot injury is deemed serious. He was shut down by the Wolves for the rest of the season. If it is a broken foot/ligaments etc. This might even jeopardize his participation in the next Eurobasket.

Tonight also Bogdanovic went down again in pain, with an ankle injury to the same ankle that he has injured earlier this year and missed a lot of time. That is never good. But we will know more about that in a few days. Let's hope it's not a serious injury but rather a sprain...

Yeah it seems Bjelica maybe snake bit when it comes to national team participation. But the tournament is still so far way I think it might not affect Serbia if many stars from other countries don't participate. And I think judging by other non Olympic qualyfing Eurobaskets it is a good possibility that many may unfortunately skip the tournament.

CoachZ
03-17-2017, 01:11 AM
Yeah we share the same opinion. Bobby is the man. Also I would like to mention a guy that is often overlooked unfairly and he has accomplished similar things over his career. also being challenged in terms of talent etc. Jim Calhoun. What he did at UCONN is a phenomenal job.

Also I think that coaching greatness and legacy doesn't always come from just pure wins and championships. There are a lot of coaches who's influence on the game is eternal due to innovations and changes they brought to the game.

Joško Poljak Fan
03-17-2017, 06:48 AM
I think if Latvia will gather all of its best players (Porzingis, brothers Bertrans, Strelniks, Tima, ....), it will surprise a lot of teams, they should be able to dig in even Serbia, but in reality I think the group second place guaranteed.
I completely forgot about them, they could assemble a really good team, as you say. If their range gets going they could beat anyone.

Every eurobasket since the expansion to 24 teams, had 1 or 2 teams surprising everyone. Finland, Macedonia, Belgium, Ukraine... I wonder which one is next...

G&B
03-17-2017, 08:51 PM
I completely forgot about them, they could assemble a really good team, as you say. If their range gets going they could beat anyone.

Every eurobasket since the expansion to 24 teams, had 1 or 2 teams surprising everyone. Finland, Macedonia, Belgium, Ukraine... I wonder which one is next...

The surprise may be forthcoming not only from Latvia, but also from Slovenia, Croatia, Greece or Italy. I call it a surprise, that these teams can push out of the semi-finals any of the favorites command. Of course, Greece and Italy could even be attributed to the favorites group, but lately they are playing worse than their potential.

Straight forward
03-24-2017, 01:28 AM
Seems like Pau is going to play. If both brothers will come, yet another gold medal for Spain...Damn, how much it means to have one true all around gem, leader. Spain is dominant since 2003 (very competitive since 2001) and the key is Pau.

G&B
03-27-2017, 10:55 AM
With this Latvia team, Serbia has yet to strongly fight for the first place in the group

PG Janis Strielniks 191, PG Janis Blums 191
PG/SG Dairis Bertrans 192; SG Aigars Skele 192; SG/SF Kristaps Janicenoks 196
SF Daivis Bertrans 205; SF Janis Tima 201; SF/ PF Ojers Silins 205
PF Rolands Freimanis 210; PF Mareks Mejers 207 / PF Martins Mejers 206;
PF/C Kristaps Porzingis 221; PF/C Kaspars Berzins 213 / C Anjei Pasečniks 210

CoachZ
03-27-2017, 11:39 AM
With this Latvia team, Serbia has yet to strongly fight for the first place in the group

PG Janis Strielniks 191, PG Janis Blums 191
PG/SG Dairis Bertrans 192; SG Aigars Skele 192; SG/SF Kristaps Janicenoks 196
SF Daivis Bertrans 205; SF Janis Tima 201; SF/ PF Ojers Silins 205
PF Rolands Freimanis 210; PF Mareks Mejers 207 / PF Martins Mejers 206;
PF/C Kristaps Porzingis 221; PF/C Kaspars Berzins 213 / C Anjei Pasečniks 210

That Latvia team can beat Serbia at full strength if both teams play at high level, maybe once in 10-15 games...

Shawshank
03-29-2017, 10:37 AM
That Latvia team can beat Serbia at full strength if both teams play at high level, maybe once in 10-15 games...

Latvians in their shooting day can steal the game againts any europe team including Serbia.Serbia is beatable, Spain with Pau in playoffs mood not really...

CoachZ
03-29-2017, 11:53 AM
Latvians in their shooting day can steal the game againts any europe team including Serbia.Serbia is beatable, Spain with Pau in playoffs mood not really...

That's why I said precisely, if both teams play their A game that's the outcome. How often can you have a fantastic shooting day? How often the other team will play terrible defense? How often the other team will play like shit on their offense etc. When you add all those things, you get the expectations.

It's not saying that Serbia or Spain cannot be beaten (they both can), the point was the likelyhood of that happening.

Shawshank
03-29-2017, 12:22 PM
That's why I said precisely, if both teams play their A game that's the outcome. How often can you have a fantastic shooting day? How often the other team will play terrible defense? How often the other team will play like shit on their offense etc. When you add all those things, you get the expectations.

It's not saying that Serbia or Spain cannot be beaten (they both can), the point was the likelyhood of that happening.

Once in 5 games and Latvias outshouts Serbia im sure.Definetely not in 15,as you trying to show as serbia is some kind monsters.

CoachZ
03-29-2017, 01:15 PM
Once in 5 games and Latvias outshouts Serbia im sure.Definetely not in 15,as you trying to show as serbia is some kind monsters.

10 to 15 I said. That is not that bad odds vs a heavily favored team. By outshooting someone you won't always win a game, keep that in mind too.

Italian Pride
03-30-2017, 11:30 AM
If I were coaching Italy, I'd leave Bargnani and Belinelli home, in case they were having the same effect as in the past, in my opinion that improves Italian chances by a lot. Not that they're bad players, but in the past they didn't fit one bit and hurted their team.

Belinelli is the best italian player with NT in the last 10 years!

Gallinari is the most overrated player in fiba basketball,he played well with NT only one time in the eurobasket 2015,then last year Saric destroyed him in the most important game for our NT in the last 12 years!

many people in Italy called him "winner" maybe with playstation he's a winner not in basketball!

I think Spain and Serbia will be the main cotnender for the gold,possibile under dog i see slovenia with Dragic and doncic they have the best backcourt of the tournament

Straight forward
03-30-2017, 11:35 PM
Belinelli is the best italian player with NT in the last 10 years!


Best player of Italian team which couldn't win anything for 10 years...maybe Gallinari isn't the answer, but it's surely not Belinelli :)

PS: Hezonja out from EB. Pretty huge loss for Croatia, but for them Bogdanovic and Saric is the key.

auris1
03-30-2017, 11:59 PM
By outshooting someone you won't always win a game, keep that in mind too.
I think that is implied ) .You win by scoring a single point more than your opponent . But i get your point , no worries .

G&B
03-31-2017, 10:00 AM
That Latvia team can beat Serbia at full strength if both teams play at high level, maybe once in 10-15 games...

I would be more cautious in such statements may be sufficient once.

Italian Pride
03-31-2017, 11:00 AM
Best player of Italian team which couldn't win anything for 10 years...maybe Gallinari isn't the answer, but it's surely not Belinelli :)

PS: Hezonja out from EB. Pretty huge loss for Croatia, but for them Bogdanovic and Saric is the key.

Neither Belinelli or Gallinari are leader,but i don't udnerstand beacuase many people think that Gallinari is untouchable or infallible!

With Nt Belinelli often played point guard,not his role as you know!

Why Hezonia won't play?

CoachZ
03-31-2017, 11:08 AM
I would be more cautious in such statements may be sufficient once.

If it happens, it happens. I am not a fortune teller. We are just talking about realistic probabilities of things happening. For example, what is realistic chance that let's say Greece wins this European Championship. Let's put it at 2-5% for example.

Of course if you say that Greeks will win it once in 50 times, it will sound harsh. I gave them 10% chance, is that so bad?

G&B
03-31-2017, 02:26 PM
If it happens, it happens. I am not a fortune teller. We are just talking about realistic probabilities of things happening. For example, what is realistic chance that let's say Greece wins this European Championship. Let's put it at 2-5% for example.

Of course if you say that Greeks will win it once in 50 times, it will sound harsh. I gave them 10% chance, is that so bad?

Now it is difficult to say who will win medals, because there is no known lineups. Yes, Greece, Croatia, Slovenia, Italy and Latvia can gather very powerful teams. If you thinking that medals will share Spain, France and Serbia, That I would not be surprised if none of the Quartet team will not play in the finals, because they all also have weaknesses.
For example in our country's federation hopes to assemble a better team than in 2013 and 2015, where was to win the silver medals, and also poses the highest goals, but it is unclear whether it will succeed because in 2011 is also expected, but so did not receive their best players, and here still, and a new coach.

Straight forward
04-02-2017, 12:22 AM
If it happens, it happens. I am not a fortune teller. We are just talking about realistic probabilities of things happening. For example, what is realistic chance that let's say Greece wins this European Championship. Let's put it at 2-5% for example.

Of course if you say that Greeks will win it once in 50 times, it will sound harsh. I gave them 10% chance, is that so bad?

What's so bad about current Greece NT?

CoachZ
04-02-2017, 10:35 AM
What's so bad about current Greece NT?

I was speaking hypothetically :D Not realistic probabilities. Just trying to demonstrate the point, of how actual probabilities and saying them out loud change perception of in the ears of the people.

Italian Pride
04-04-2017, 03:39 PM
Batum most probably will miss eurobasket!

news about Parker and Diaw?

R1ou
04-04-2017, 04:01 PM
Parker has officially retired. On the other hand, Diaw will probably be available.

raph
04-05-2017, 05:28 PM
Parker has officially retired. On the other hand, Diaw will probably be available.

Diaw already confirmed he will play unless he is injured.

Among old guys that could have come, Mahinmi is also retired from nt.

Gobert will probably miss this Eurobasket, Utah is not known (cf Kirilenko) to let their top player play during summer especially in meaningless competitions.

We had the "parker" (and old teammates) tour last two years, i guess 2017 will be Gasol's retirement tour.

It will be a brand new french team most likely, with rookies as role players at the international level especially for our frontcourt.

Clear fav will be Spain, then Serbia/Lithuania if everyone comes. France will try to get to the semi but realistic objective is 1/4 final. We have to rebuild to have something competitive with the new qualification system.

CoachZ
04-07-2017, 12:19 AM
Gallinari has declined a player option on his contract with Nuggets. That means he will become a free agent July 1st and it is a huge possibility that because of that he will miss Eurobasket...

Italian Pride
04-07-2017, 11:15 AM
Gallinari has declined a player option on his contract with Nuggets. That means he will become a free agent July 1st and it is a huge possibility that because of that he will miss Eurobasket...

Yes,he said that he isn't sure to join NT next summer!

I think he'll join because this is last time for this generation to win something ,but in the worst case there will be Da-Da-Da Pascolo to replace him :D

CoachZ
04-07-2017, 11:33 AM
Yes,he said that he isn't sure to join NT next summer!

I think he'll join because this is last time for this generation to win something ,but in the worst case there will be Da-Da-Da Pascolo to replace him :D

Dada working the high post against the European superpowers. That will be something to watch.

Victorious
04-09-2017, 10:00 AM
If it happens, it happens. I am not a fortune teller. We are just talking about realistic probabilities of things happening. For example, what is realistic chance that let's say Greece wins this European Championship. Let's put it at 2-5% for example.

Of course if you say that Greeks will win it once in 50 times, it will sound harsh. I gave them 10% chance, is that so bad?

One has to take into consideration the pool of talent in a certain period of time a team like Greece has. Then one can estimate chances of winning a European Championship. Historical results are rather irrelevant. I mean, the last time Serbia has won gold in Eurobasket was in 2001, which is almost two decades ago. But if you would have calculated their chances in tournaments after 2001 based on historical results, they would be quite high.

Straight forward
04-09-2017, 02:51 PM
Since 2007 Spain collected 3 gold medals out of 5 EB. Only once didn't reach the final (2013). All teams chances don't look good compared to Spain at this point :) It would be nice if new team would become a champ. Spain has dominated for so long now.

Levenspiel
04-09-2017, 10:37 PM
Neither Belinelli or Gallinari are leader,but i don't udnerstand beacuase many people think that Gallinari is untouchable or infallible!

With Nt Belinelli often played point guard,not his role as you know!

Why Hezonia won't play?
Watching the OKC-Denver game right now, and Gallinari is on fire. He sometimes looks really infallible. One of the best euro scorers.

G&B
04-10-2017, 05:41 PM
When we talk about theoretical possibilities, here are all equal. If we talk about practical possibilities , it is too early to consider the if not know of command formations. If we are talking about potential chances, it have, a team already who won medals in the last 5 years, since any of these teams find players who already have medals.

Italian Pride
04-13-2017, 11:01 AM
Gallinari will play Eurobasket

Serbian_Layup
04-13-2017, 12:50 PM
Gallinari will play Eurobasket

Good news for Eurobasket overall, Gallo is great.

Italian Pride
04-13-2017, 01:26 PM
Good news for Eurobasket overall, Gallo is great.

your nba players will play?above all Jokic with Teodosic could be very fun to watch :D

and Marjanovic apologized with sasha?

Batum and Parker are out for France,all Spanish nba player gave them availabilty to scariolo!

I think could be a very competitive Eurobasket,despite won't give ticket for Olympics or other competition!

Teodosic-Jovic
Bogdanovic-Nedovic
Kalinic-Dangubic-Guduric
Bjelica-Simonovic
Jovic-Marjanovic-Kuzmic or Milutinov

could be an amazing team

Spain

Rubio-Chacho
Llull-Abrines
Claver-Rudy-San Eme
Pau-Mirotic
Marc-Hernagomez-Reyes



i think more or less these will be the two roster that will fight for the gold

R1ou
04-13-2017, 01:36 PM
Koufos seems to be undecided about joining.

Straight forward
04-13-2017, 01:41 PM
Koufos looks undecided about joining.

You have Papagiannis now :)

Italian Pride
04-13-2017, 01:43 PM
Koufos seems undecided about joining.

like Gallinari he will join your team at the end :D

R1ou
04-13-2017, 01:43 PM
You have Papagiannis now :)

It's not up to him though, Kings might force him to stay in the US.

R1ou
04-13-2017, 01:59 PM
like Gallinari he will join your team at the end :D

He'll have plenty of time to rest considering Kings didn't make the playoffs. Also he's not a FA this summer but in the next one where there won't be international duties. Most likely it has to do with the fact that nobody from the FA has contacted neither him to the other NBAers.

Imo the best we could field up ;

Calathes / Mantzaris
Sloukas / Pappas / Dorsey
Antetokounmpo / Papanikolaou
Printezis / Perperoglou (Papapetrou)
Koufos / Bourousis / Papagiannis

Bonus : An above average coach.

G&B
04-13-2017, 03:51 PM
I'll try to predict our teams twelve players:

Kalnietis (Lega A) Lekavičius (LKL)
Grigonis (ACB), Gecevičius (ACB) \ Milaknis (LKL)
Kuzminskas (NBA), Maciulis (ACB), Ulanovas (LKL) \ Orelikas (TBL)
Sabonis (NBA) Motiejūnas (NBA) Jankūnas (LKL)
Valanciūnas (NBA) Gudaitis (LKL)


Clearly the place Gecevicius \ Milaknis may be more options (Dulkys (ACB), Juškevičiaus (ACB), Giedraitis (LKL),...). An interesting situation with Orelikas (TBL, Banvit leader), this season it perfect and not without reason eyeing Obradovic wants him to Ulker team, but he is more PF but there is already a surplus of good players.

Straight forward
04-13-2017, 05:26 PM
It's not a rosters' thread guys. There to discuss the power rankings. I agree that now it's 3 more or less obvious favourites. Besides 2 heavy ones in Spain, Serbia it's also Lithuania which seems to have a good chance to pack all or almost all best players. France will lack some big names most likely. Croatia already lost Hezonja and they are not very deep. Italy just can't do it far enough and I think it will be the same story again. Greece is looking very solid on the paper, but I don't see true leader in the backourt who could lead the team to big things so a lot will depend on their game style and how much Greek Freak will be able to dominate. It will be hard for them to find the right balance between playing through him and team overall. There's a lot of strong teams, but Spain, Serbia, Lithuania are oiled and established teams, I also wouldn't be too quick to give up on France. They have reserves i think.

R1ou
04-13-2017, 11:13 PM
It's not a rosters' thread guys. There to discuss the power rankings. I agree that now it's 3 more or less obvious favourites. Besides 2 heavy ones in Spain, Serbia it's also Lithuania which seems to have a good chance to pack all or almost all best players. France will lack some big names most likely. Croatia already lost Hezonja and they are not very deep. Italy just can't do it far enough and I think it will be the same story again. Greece is looking very solid on the paper, but I don't see true leader in the backourt who could lead the team to big things so a lot will depend on their game style and how much Greek Freak will be able to dominate. It will be hard for them to find the right balance between playing through him and team overall. There's a lot of strong teams, but Spain, Serbia, Lithuania are oiled and established teams, I also wouldn't be too quick to give up on France. They have reserves i think.

I do think France has the edge on Lithuania, roster wise they're better and on par with Spain and Serbia. Lithuania, Greece and probably Italy are 2nd tier teams at the moment, obviously are capable of grabbing a medal considering how solid they look on paper but they'd have to punch a bit above their weight in order to achieve that. And that will happen in case they're not going to miss their key players.

Joško Poljak Fan
04-14-2017, 10:15 AM
@ItalianPride
I was actualy defending Belinelli from some of his harshest critics of his at previous eurobaskets, I get what you're saying, just that in my opinion Italy has some really creative players and whenever your team is moving the ball properly, it's the 2003 poetry all over again. For my taste Belinelli kills that in a slow yet sure manner. Might be the coaching, but imo it's the status he receives within the team and I'm not sure those points of his make up for a slower and more predictable offense. In some sets, he could be a great asset, I'm just not sure if he would be willing to give up some priviledges.

I'm under impression from Galinarri's games with Nuggets, I admit. I'd push him on a PF and that opens up a whole set of oppurtunities.

Italian Pride
04-14-2017, 11:25 AM
Belinelli improved his game off the ball in the last years expecially during spurs's experience where Pop was excited for his game off the ball,so i think he's best player in the NT off the ball we used him in the past years only with the ball on his hands!

Then I don't think we'll win a medal in next eurobasket but if we want have some chances both Andrea and Marco must be present(if they are healthy expecially the first one obviosuly) without a doubt!

Hackett,Belinelli,Gentile,Datome,Gallinari,Melli,B argnani are essential for us!

R1ou
04-17-2017, 11:47 AM
@Yugobasket

According to his agent Miško Ražnatović, the Denver Nuggets are not fascinated with idea of Nikola Jokić to play for Serbia at EuroBasket.

Straight forward
04-17-2017, 12:06 PM
According to his agent Miško Ražnatović, the Denver Nuggets are not fascinated with idea of Nikola Jokić to play for Serbia at EuroBasket.

Would be a huge loss for Serbia and for EB overall. Very interesting to see if he can trully dominate FIBA or he's another Marc Gasol.

Another bad news for France. Fournier is questionable. Losing Parker, Batum, Gobert, Fourtnier would surely be too much for France to contend.

R1ou
04-17-2017, 12:35 PM
Would be a huge loss for Serbia and for EB overall. Very interesting to see if he can trully dominate FIBA or he's another Marc Gasol.

Another bad news for France. Fournier is questionable. Losing Parker, Batum, Gobert, Fourtnier would surely be too much for France to contend.

What about Gobert, is he really going to skip that? Talking about French NT, Mahinmi has made himself no longer available for them.

Also, not sure what's Ajinca's status since he joined the team last year but it seemed like Batum and Parker didn't want him to be a part of the team, hence he didn't make the final cut. Both of them will be missing this year, I doubt he decides to join though.

Straight forward
04-17-2017, 04:29 PM
What about Gobert, is he really going to skip that?

Questionable. It will be post season decision, but it's not a good sign for such young player to have doubts. And it's Jazz, known for not understanding the value of FIBA ball :)

phamnguyenvusg
04-18-2017, 03:16 AM
SPAIN. No.1 to win. No other NT has the depth and champs vibe like Spain.

Italian Pride
04-18-2017, 03:39 PM
Porzingis will play eurobasket!

news about Goran Dragic and Giannis?

Joško Poljak Fan
04-18-2017, 06:30 PM
Goran Dragič will play, presumably the last eurobasket from him. Zoran likely won't heal his ankle untill than.

Obina
04-18-2017, 07:46 PM
SPAIN. No.1 to win. No other NT has the depth and champs vibe like Spain.

Serbia has, with full roster.

But Jokic and Bjelica are doubtful, we will see.

Straight forward
04-18-2017, 09:53 PM
Serbia has, with full roster.

But Jokic and Bjelica are doubtful, we will see.

Serbia hasn't won the title since 2001. That's the difference. Not saying that Serbia can't win it, but Spain is simply more convincing option at the moment, IMO.

Latvia would be one interesting team with Porzingis. I would put Porzingis at 5, Davis Bertans at 4 + Janis Timma, Dairis Bertans, Strelnieks and you have one of the best offensive starting 5 in EB. This team could really run and gun. All 5 can shoot threes like crazy. Obviously that wouldn't guarantee them success, but some serious dark hource for sure.

usagre
04-18-2017, 10:01 PM
Serbia hasn't won the title since 2001. That's the difference. Not saying that Serbia can't win it, but Spain is simply more convincing option at the moment, IMO.

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Yeah but one can argue that with their back to back 2nd place finishes in the last two world events that they are the defacto European champs right now. They are on a pretty good run the last couple of years. But I agree Spain has to be the favorite as the defending champ.

R1ou
04-18-2017, 10:48 PM
Porzingis will play eurobasket!

news about Goran Dragic and Giannis?

Koufos, Perperoglou and Papagiannis are the players who have expressed doubts about joining the team, each one for a different reason. Giannis and everyone else are likely to play.

Italian Pride
04-19-2017, 11:34 AM
Koufos, Perperoglou and Papagiannis are the players who have expressed doubts about joining the team, each one for a different reason. Giannis and everyone else are likely to play.

Thanks man :)

In an interviev for italian's newspaper "Gazzetta dello Sport" Belinelli announced his presence for the next Eurobasket

Srle
04-19-2017, 09:50 PM
Spain is not the safe bet either, they are declining, I think there 3,4 teams who could win it, also don't forget Turkey they will have all Fiba logistic behind them, when championships are held in Turkey they always play in the finals .

Straight forward
04-19-2017, 11:59 PM
How good is this Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot kid already? Finished NBA season strong, 17,4ppg in last 5 games. Parker is out and likely Fournier as well, but France still have Huertel, De Colo, Antoine Diot, Rodrigue Beaubois, Fabien Causeur, Leo Westermann. Pretty solid options, most NT would only dream to have that. France will have a solid team despite possible absences.

Efesdxb
04-20-2017, 05:31 AM
Don't worry about Turkey.
We have one of the worst roster on last 20 years.
I don't believe in coach Ufuk Sarica. I hope we will be able to bring up a good team...
I wish we do what we did on 1999 Euro. We got our young core with our experienced players and targeted for 2001.

Italian Pride
04-20-2017, 12:44 PM
Attention o Germany:they have two players that are playing important minutes in Nba's playoff,plus other players like Voigtmann(i think is a border star level in euroleague),Pleiss,Lo,Staiger,Theis,Heckmann,Benzi ng and Zirbes that are very solid players on euroleague or eurocup level!

they have three stars(Schroeder,Zipser and Voigtmann) then a lot of very good role players,i think they can win their group and can get a place for QF

Srle
04-20-2017, 08:57 PM
Attention o Germany:they have two players that are playing important minutes in Nba's playoff,plus other players like Voigtmann(i think is a border star level in euroleague),Pleiss,Lo,Staiger,Theis,Heckmann,Benzi ng and Zirbes that are very solid players on euroleague or eurocup level!

they have three stars(Schroeder,Zipser and Voigtmann) then a lot of very good role players,i think they can win their group and can get a place for QF
In which universe:confused:

R1ou
04-20-2017, 11:07 PM
Attention o Germany:they have two players that are playing important minutes in Nba's playoff,plus other players like Voigtmann(i think is a border star level in euroleague),Pleiss,Lo,Staiger,Theis,Heckmann,Benzi ng and Zirbes that are very solid players on euroleague or eurocup level!

they have three stars(Schroeder,Zipser and Voigtmann) then a lot of very good role players,i think they can win their group and can get a place for QF


Truth is they do have some solid players there and maybe could upset Italy or Lithuania in the group stage. Realistically Greece will lose to France so we'll finish second and most likely face Germany which will be tough. Winning the group over France is really important, not sure if are capable to do it, they'll have a very good squad despite some potential absences. It's still early but I feel we have what it takes, if we field the best possible squad in order to beat them and finish in the first place in the group stage (I'm obviously exaggarating). Btw Papagiannis confirmed that he will be available in summer.

Italian Pride
04-21-2017, 12:12 PM
In which universe:confused:

Voigtmann is one of the best man in this euroleague,Zipser is playing great playoff!

I think they can become star in th next eurobasket


Truth is they do have some solid players there and maybe could upset Italy or Lithuania in the group stage. Realistically Greece will lose to France so we'll finish second and most likely face Germany which will be tough. Winning the group over France is really important, not sure if are capable to do it, they'll have a very good squad despite some potential absences. It's still early but I feel we have what it takes, if we field the best possible squad in order to beat them and finish in the first place in the group stage (I'm obviously exaggarating). Btw Papagiannis confirmed that he will be available in summer.

Slovenia?Dragic Bros,Doncic,Omic,Nachbar could be a great core! they will fight for the first spot IMO

R1ou
04-21-2017, 12:38 PM
Voigtmann is one of the best man in this euroleague,Zipser is playing great playoff!

I think they can become star in th next eurobasket



Slovenia?Dragic Bros,Doncic,Omic,Nachbar could be a great core! they will fight for the first spot IMO

Zoran Dragic won't play and I don't think they're a real threat right now.

Srle
04-21-2017, 11:58 PM
Voigtmann is one of the best man in this euroleague,Zipser is playing great playoff!

I think they can become star in th next eurobasket



Slovenia?Dragic Bros,Doncic,Omic,Nachbar could be a great core! they will fight for the first spot IMO

I wouldn't call 16 point in one play off game great , his overall season in NBA was awful, I think he's way overrated as a player, he wont be in the league for long time.

thiago94
04-22-2017, 08:37 AM
I wouldn't call 16 point in one play off game great , his overall season in NBA was awful, I think he's way overrated as a player, he wont be in the league for long time.

Awful, yeah...It was his rookie season and for a Second Rounder his season was pretty solid. He doesn´t have the potential to be an All Star or to get any awards, though he has the quality to be a solid "Three-and-D" player in some teams in the NBA. So, how many games have you watched of the Bulls this season? Or are you still a stats reader?

On the paper Germany will probably have the most talented team since ages, but we miss some experience and maturity. At the end all depends on Dennis Schröder...

okanial
04-22-2017, 12:52 PM
You have 3 good players. 3 good players cannot reach the level of Nowitzki. So no, I don`t think it`ll be better than before.

For Turkish team. Don`t underestimate us when we`re playing at home. Turkey also likes to be underdog and this year we will be definetely if Asik and Erden are out. I just hope they don`t giv Kanter treatment to Yurtseven and we will have a roster of youngsters + Güler - İlyasova and Dixon. I wouldn`t mind a team led by Osman and Korkmaz Those two are the future of Turkish basketball so let them have the reins and grow. Talent and experience wise we will have a lesser team than last year which was already low but I think we will over achieve

Straight forward
04-22-2017, 11:01 PM
Fournier IN. France will be good. I think he's one of the best SGs in Europe now and will have more freedom with Parker out.

vuxsa
04-24-2017, 07:53 AM
One very popular Serbian youtube vlogger (Tech&Sport, Stefan Pavicevic) expressed genuine skepticism about Serbian roster. Jokic possibly out (NBA), Teodosic, Bogdanovic under question mark due to possible 'recommendation' from NBA clubs not to play as both (at least Bogdanovic for sure) are crossing the ocean. Jovic and Bjelica also unknown due to injuries. Serbia can withstand absence of one-two players (even Jokic), but not too many - if we're going to be a legit gold medal contender.

CoachZ
04-24-2017, 10:28 AM
I tried to listen to his vloggs about basketball :D

Although entertaining, they are extremely biased and very rarely objective. Also some things he said are plain ridiculous :D

All that aside, I don't think that the absences will be that harsh. Bear in mind that Djordjevic when he comes calling and you decline that might end your NT career. He is that kind of coach, and I think to many of them NT is an extremely important item on the calendar. So, I think that Teo and Bogdan will play if healthy for sure. Jokic as well. Bjelica and Jovic are a ? for me as well.

Bear in mind that there is no clause in the contract (it is illegal) that can forbid a player to play in the international competition for their country. Sure the team can pressure a player, but it is 100% down to a player to decide. Also bear in mind that we can provide them insurance if necessary (which it is not, all of them are under contract or will get a NBA team before the Eurobasket).

mojo13
04-24-2017, 08:32 PM
I tried to listen to his vloggs about basketball :D

Although entertaining, they are extremely biased and very rarely objective. Also some things he said are plain ridiculous :D

All that aside, I don't think that the absences will be that harsh. Bear in mind that Djordjevic when he comes calling and you decline that might end your NT career. He is that kind of coach, and I think to many of them NT is an extremely important item on the calendar. So, I think that Teo and Bogdan will play if healthy for sure. Jokic as well. Bjelica and Jovic are a ? for me as well.

Bear in mind that there is no clause in the contract (it is illegal) that can forbid a player to play in the international competition for their country. Sure the team can pressure a player, but it is 100% down to a player to decide. Also bear in mind that we can provide them insurance if necessary (which it is not, all of them are under contract or will get a NBA team before the Eurobasket).

Easy to say, but put yourself in their position. Would you really want to go against the wishes of your employer who decides whether to invest 10's of millions of dollars into you. With Jokic it we could be talking a ~$200 million decision in 2019! Just to play in a meaningless free tournament for the sake of nationalism?

It is a very difficult decision to go play if your NBA club has made it clear it doesn't want you to. I would be very careful about my decision and only play if a) I was locked into a long term deal or b) my club team was supportive.

Srle
04-24-2017, 08:52 PM
One very popular Serbian youtube vlogger (Tech&Sport, Stefan Pavicevic) expressed genuine skepticism about Serbian roster. Jokic possibly out (NBA), Teodosic, Bogdanovic under question mark due to possible 'recommendation' from NBA clubs not to play as both (at least Bogdanovic for sure) are crossing the ocean. Jovic and Bjelica also unknown due to injuries. Serbia can withstand absence of one-two players (even Jokic), but not too many - if we're going to be a legit gold medal contender.

Everyone except maybe Bjelica will play, you will see:)

CoachZ
04-24-2017, 11:21 PM
Easy to say, but put yourself in their position. Would you really want to go against the wishes of your employer who decides whether to invest 10's of millions of dollars into you. With Jokic it we could be talking a ~$200 million decision in 2019! Just to play in a meaningless free tournament for the sake of nationalism?

It is a very difficult decision to go play if your NBA club has made it clear it doesn't want you to. I would be very careful about my decision and only play if a) I was locked into a long term deal or b) my club team was supportive.

Actually you need to get a better perspective of importance of NT to players coming from this part of the world. It's something that most Americans and Canadians will never understand. Do you know that Stojakovic is not even considered a top 5 player in Serbia, since the breakup? He clearly is, but people don't see it that way. He passed on the NT way too many times. The heroes of the nation, and all of these guys when they were starting basketball were Djordjevic, Bodiroga etc. So, yes it is a big fucking deal.

The money issue is actually in the favor of the player, they have a chance to choose where they will play. Especially, if you are a European player. How many international player maintain residence in the USA after their playing career? Not that many. In case of the Serbians, nobody except Vlade. The fact that he will make 200 here, 150 there etc is not an issue. If they make one fifth of that, they are set for life back home or wherever they choose to go. They have a bit of a different upbringing compared to USA, they don't see the size of the contract as the measure of a players worth. He will be a wanted commodity everywhere so he has all the bargaining power. He just needs to say, I am playing and you figure the rest out. Also the NT would accommodate him arriving a bit later for the preparations as well. Pau Gasol always came calling for Spain, and it never damaged his career. It won't damage Jokic either. All he needs to do is speak his mind.

Bear in mind that kids growing up here, playing basketball are not dreaming so much of playing for the Bulls or Lakers, NBA Finals. Their dreams are mostly related to wearing the NT jersey, gold medals and going at it with Team USA, sticking it to the Greeks and Spaniards and Italians etc. That is where the glory and legacy is created. Is this an objective approach? Of course it is not. It's all about passion but like most of the things that are important to us in life, we show passion for them and that is why we make them important to ourselves. This is why the NT matters to our players and fans. That was never the case in USA. No kid dreams of Olympics in basketball or etc. That's why most the people don't understand this...

usagre
04-25-2017, 12:17 AM
Do you know that Stojakovic is not even considered a top 5 player in Serbia, since the breakup? He clearly is, but people don't see it that way. He passed on the NT way too many times. The heroes of the nation, and all of these guys when they were starting basketball were Djordjevic, Bodiroga etc.

I am surprised to hear that about Stojakovic considering he played 4 straight years on the National team between 2000-2003 including being a key piece on two championship teams during that run. I guess 2004 Olympics and 2005 eurobasket are the skips you are referring to. Basically nobody played for Serbia at '06 Worlds and after that he was no longer the player he was earlier in his career. So for his star NBA years from 2001-2004 he participated 3 out of 4 summers.

Couldn't agree more about the American perspective. It has always been and always be about winning an NBA title and the Olympic gold medal is secondary and of course it is the other way around to the rest of the world. But I would argue that when it comes to hockey in Canada it's a little different. Wearing the team Canada colors for Olympic events and historically going all the way back to Canada Cups against the Soviets was always a huge deal to them. Not quite as big as winning the Stanley Cup but really close. So I think they do understand a lot more than American Nba players and fans.

usagre
04-25-2017, 12:52 AM
Since '95 I guess I would pick these 6 as the best Serbian players in no particular order:
Divac, Stojakovic, Bodiroga, Danilovic, Teodosic and Djordjevic.
If you look at national team hardware it's Bodiroga and then everyone else.

Bodiroga. 5 golds, 1 silver, 7 total semifinals.
Djordjevic. 3 golds, 1 silver
Vlade. 2 golds, 1 silver 4 total semis
Danilovic. Same as Vlade
Stojakovic. 2 golds
Teodosic. 3 silvers, 5 total semis

CoachZ
04-25-2017, 10:55 AM
I am surprised to hear that about Stojakovic considering he played 4 straight years on the National team between 2000-2003 including being a key piece on two championship teams during that run. I guess 2004 Olympics and 2005 eurobasket are the skips you are referring to. Basically nobody played for Serbia at '06 Worlds and after that he was no longer the player he was earlier in his career. So for his star NBA years from 2001-2004 he participated 3 out of 4 summers.

Couldn't agree more about the American perspective. It has always been and always be about winning an NBA title and the Olympic gold medal is secondary and of course it is the other way around to the rest of the world. But I would argue that when it comes to hockey in Canada it's a little different. Wearing the team Canada colors for Olympic events and historically going all the way back to Canada Cups against the Soviets was always a huge deal to them. Not quite as big as winning the Stanley Cup but really close. So I think they do understand a lot more than American Nba players and fans.

Like I said, it's not fair to Pedja. When he was on the top of the game and came to play for NT, he usually performed at a very high level and always played hard. Still the fact that people got to see him about 3-4 years in the NT and during the same Sacramento prime, ruined his legacy. He was also always a bit standoffish towards embracing that NT mantra and being active in Serbia etc (at least in the media). That kind of gave the people a feeling that he doesn't care so much, and that he is now content to be in the USA and NBA and nothing else matters. It's just the way it is here, but I agree it's not fair towards him.

Bear in mind that 2005 really killed the NT for half a decade. That was a complete and total organizational failure that was 100% fault of Obradovic and his staff. Then he did the most cowardly thing ever for a coach, he threw his players under the bus at a huge press conference rant. Calling them bad people, irresponsible etc. Regardless if that was true (mostly true, the team was destroyed in a divided locker room between Rakocevic and Jaric and the people who took their sides. We have wasted 5 years of prime of Rakocevic, Jaric, Radmanovic, Gurovic etc... That team had a lot of talent also with young and athletic Krstic, Rebraca was veteran presence, Milojevic was in his prime under the hoop as well.

Until Ivkovic came back to bring the NT mantra, it was a tough 4 years after that. With arrival of Djordjevic, the NT improtance is as high as it was during the Ex-Yu and first post-war years. There is a lot of enthusiasm. So now it will be even harder for players to say no.

CoachZ
04-25-2017, 11:11 AM
Since '95 I guess I would pick these 6 as the best Serbian players in no particular order:
Divac, Stojakovic, Bodiroga, Danilovic, Teodosic and Djordjevic.
If you look at national team hardware it's Bodiroga and then everyone else.

Bodiroga. 5 golds, 1 silver, 7 total semifinals.
Djordjevic. 3 golds, 1 silver
Vlade. 2 golds, 1 silver 4 total semis
Danilovic. Same as Vlade
Stojakovic. 2 golds
Teodosic. 3 silvers, 5 total semis

You are missing the bronze in 1999 Euros for most of those older guys. A huge underrated silverware guy is Tomasevic. He has the same amount as Bodiroga :D

Mostly I agree with the 6 players you have mentioned. I would give honorary mention to Krstic who was a key NT clog from 2005 to 2014. For a decade he was always dependable and the best player on the roster until Teodosic took over that mantle in 2010 I think. He gave so much to the NT and he played at a very high level. He wasn't always surrounded with best talent, since people cancelled on the NT like crazy in the 2005-2009 era but he was a one stable presence and he played at a high level in NBA as well.

I know that we said 1995 and after but I gotta put in another funky silverware thing for you. Do you know that Djordjevic has a bronze from 1987 Euros :D He played only a blowout against Romania where he put up 20 points and the Bronze Medal game vs Spain where he had 8 :D He was 19, almost 20 at that time and already showing flashes of the future. Then came the infamous fight with Drazen in 1987/88 game between Partizan and Cibona. Drazen woved to kick him out of the NT and of course with Drazen being a god at that time in the NT, he was never called up for the 1988-1991 Yugo NT tournaments where he absolutely belonged.

usagre
04-25-2017, 11:20 AM
Yeah I saw a lot of Krstic with the Nets. He was real scoring threat down low and played well in the playoffs. It appeared he was gonna be a top big man in the league for years to come. He was a different player after his injury, solid but his performance leveled out.

G&B
04-25-2017, 05:43 PM
The biggest drawback of Serbia team that they no longer have such distinguished intellects and disciplined as the players had previously, is now pressing them firmly in defense they start playing illogical and such famous players as Teodosić whether Bogdanovic, is beginning to undermine the team.

With all due respect to the Serbian national team, I do not think that they will play in the finals, I feel very good result would be a top-4, even in a group, they may still have problems with the Latvia national team, because it's very progressive.

Joško Poljak Fan
04-25-2017, 06:44 PM
Too bad Tomašević was stopped by injuries, at his peak he was scary. I might be biased, but at his peak, I'd pick him over Krstić for example.
One of my all time favourites.

CoachZ
04-25-2017, 08:03 PM
The biggest drawback of Serbia team that they no longer have such distinguished intellects and disciplined as the players had previously, is now pressing them firmly in defense they start playing illogical and such famous players as Teodosić whether Bogdanovic, is beginning to undermine the team.

With all due respect to the Serbian national team, I do not think that they will play in the finals, I feel very good result would be a top-4, even in a group, they may still have problems with the Latvia national team, because it's very progressive.

I disagree on that front. We are less talented than the great teams of the 90s we had that is sure, but the intelligence is there for sure and bear in mind that in the last 3 tournaments this generation has won all the tough games except that one vs Lithuania in the last Eurobasket. Undermining the team, that is pretty much wishful thinking.

Whether we will play in the finals depends on many things. The reason that we will fail to reach the final or get a medal will not be talent for sure. The roster is loaded, especially compared to other contenders. Spain and Serbia are a cut above others...

Srle
04-25-2017, 10:49 PM
I am surprised to hear that about Stojakovic considering he played 4 straight years on the National team between 2000-2003 including being a key piece on two championship teams during that run. I guess 2004 Olympics and 2005 eurobasket are the skips you are referring to. Basically nobody played for Serbia at '06 Worlds and after that he was no longer the player he was earlier in his career. So for his star NBA years from 2001-2004 he participated 3 out of 4 summers.

Couldn't agree more about the American perspective. It has always been and always be about winning an NBA title and the Olympic gold medal is secondary and of course it is the other way around to the rest of the world. But I would argue that when it comes to hockey in Canada it's a little different. Wearing the team Canada colors for Olympic events and historically going all the way back to Canada Cups against the Soviets was always a huge deal to them. Not quite as big as winning the Stanley Cup but really close. So I think they do understand a lot more than American Nba players and fans.

That's just his opinion, Pedja is a legend, when he was playing in Sacramento , Serbia didn't sleep at night :D

Srle
04-25-2017, 10:53 PM
Since '95 I guess I would pick these 6 as the best Serbian players in no particular order:
Divac, Stojakovic, Bodiroga, Danilovic, Teodosic and Djordjevic.
If you look at national team hardware it's Bodiroga and then everyone else.

Bodiroga. 5 golds, 1 silver, 7 total semifinals.
Djordjevic. 3 golds, 1 silver
Vlade. 2 golds, 1 silver 4 total semis
Danilovic. Same as Vlade
Stojakovic. 2 golds
Teodosic. 3 silvers, 5 total semis
Its not like Bodiroga won those medals by himself , he played with the bunch of Serbian legends , Divac,Rebraca,Stojakovic,Danilovic,Djordjevic etc.

Srle
04-25-2017, 10:58 PM
The biggest drawback of Serbia team that they no longer have such distinguished intellects and disciplined as the players had previously, is now pressing them firmly in defense they start playing illogical and such famous players as Teodosić whether Bogdanovic, is beginning to undermine the team.

With all due respect to the Serbian national team, I do not think that they will play in the finals, I feel very good result would be a top-4, even in a group, they may still have problems with the Latvia national team, because it's very progressive.
Yeah right, we played in two biggest finals in the last five years , only to lose to US, actually our defense was stellar in the knockout stages, we were able to break down our opponents with it . If we can bring all our best players to eurobasket, we will be in the top 3 for sure, lol at Latvia thing.

G&B
04-26-2017, 05:53 AM
Yeah right, we played in two biggest finals in the last five years , only to lose to US, actually our defense was stellar in the knockout stages, we were able to break down our opponents with it . If we can bring all our best players to eurobasket, we will be in the top 3 for sure, lol at Latvia thing.


No need to be confused WC with the EC there are more stronger opponents.
Here's five-year history of the Serbia in last European Championship
EC 2011 1/8 67-77 defeat to Russia
EC 2013 1/8 60-90 defeat to Spain
EC-2015 1/2 64-67 defeat to Lithuania

All these losses to a very good defense of opponents (attack before reaching the 68-point threshold). So all is not so good in terms of your devalued Latvia, where the attack is now one of the best in Europe.

Mindozas
04-26-2017, 06:49 AM
No need to be confused WC with the EC there are more stronger opponents.
Here's five-year history of the Serbia in last European Championship
EC 2011 1/8 67-77 defeat to Russia
EC 2013 1/8 60-90 defeat to Spain
EC-2015 1/2 64-67 defeat to Lithuania

All these losses to a very good defense of opponents (attack before reaching the 68-point threshold). So all is not so good in terms of your devalued Latvia, where the attack is now one of the best in Europe.

2011 is irrelevant, it was way too long ago. 2013 Eurobasket was on very low level compared to previous one, lot of players were missing, hardly better than 2014 WC. In 2015 Serbia lost only one tough game vs us, but overall it could go either way, it seems to me that you are judging everything solely on it, sayin' that Teo or Bogdanovic is dragging team down. They were bad that night, but it was only one game. What you forgot is 2016, in most prestigious bball event, Serbia won silver, on their way to it beatin Croatia in close game and demolishing very good Australia in semis. You just can't ignore it if tryin' to make some examples. If Serbia will come at best, Latvia is no competition to them. Of course our neighbours are on rise, Bagatskis build very good team lately and he missed biggest stars in Porzingis and Davis Bertans last two years, but still did very good. In one game anything might happen of course, but even with those two, Serbia is on different level. they are top contenders, while Latvia's ceiling IMO might be fight for medal. I mean, if all the teams would be at its best. Also it's a bit of question mark how Porzingis will fit the team. At times when such star joins for the first time, it might just disbalance well oiled mechanism

Obina
04-26-2017, 07:17 AM
He is not objective about Serbia and that's it.

G&B
04-26-2017, 06:14 PM
1. Well, EC- 2011 There are 5-year cycle since the last EC-2015
2. For the EC-2013 is weaker than the WC-2014, it is subjective, so perhaps the exclusive United States, perhaps Argentina, but how Argentina, in Europe is more teams such level which does not always command falls in the EC.
3. I never said that Serbia is a bad team, but overlook our neighbors Latvia progress is very naive and it is the first team that can cause trouble for Serbia. After all, here is not only Porzingis where can show very good playing.

Mindozas
04-26-2017, 06:51 PM
1. Well, EC- 2011 There are 5-year cycle since the last EC-2015
2. For the EC-2013 is weaker than the WC-2014, it is subjective, so perhaps the exclusive United States, perhaps Argentina, but how Argentina, in Europe is more teams such level which does not always command falls in the EC.
3. I never said that Serbia is a bad team, but overlook our neighbors Latvia progress is very naive and it is the first team that can cause trouble for Serbia. After all, here is not only Porzingis where can show very good playing.

1. It's 2017 now, it's even 6 years, it's a lot for NT. How many players Serbia has now from that team? 2-3 maybe. So how can it affect current chances? Also that Russia they lost against was hell of the team, among the best in the world.
2. I wrote you why. In 2013 some 50 players were missing in all teams combined. It was the weakest Eurobasket in modern era along with 1993
3. We all know that there's not only Porzingis, we all know that Latvia is on the rise. I even wrote that, but that doesn't make them a team to be able to compete with best Serbia on regular basis. In one game, maybe two out of some ten, but that's all

G&B
04-28-2017, 05:33 AM
Latvian basketball star Janis Timma rejected Real Madrid offer, even before CSKA and Barcelona and will play Baskonija.

With such a great game and it quickly interested in the NBA.

Mindozas
04-28-2017, 10:13 AM
Latvian basketball star Janis Timma rejected Real Madrid offer, even before CSKA and Barcelona and will play Baskonija.

With such a great game and it quickly interested in the NBA.

OMG, it changes everything, Latvia by 15... I mean, c'mon, if you want to share signing rumours it's Euroleague subforum for that or you really believe that none of us knew Timma and his capabilities before posting our oppinions?

unnamed
04-28-2017, 11:24 PM
Latvian basketball star Janis Timma rejected Real Madrid offer, even before CSKA and Barcelona and will play Baskonija.

With such a great game and it quickly interested in the NBA.
Janis Timma I saw last year at qualifying tournament in Belgrade was playing worse than his Japanese opponent in the match they had against Japan.
He'd be good Serbian league player, but nothing more.

CoachZ
04-29-2017, 12:21 AM
He is offensively a very good player with a diverse skillset. He is a Euroleague level player. BUT he is a defensive liability and prone to foul trouble. Big No-No for his position.

Joško Poljak Fan
04-29-2017, 12:34 AM
... and with a career run by russian mobsters. He'd be in one of those top clubs long ago if it wasn't for that. That should presumably mean he is not the smartest guy around.

Miškinis
04-29-2017, 09:52 AM
... and with a career run by russian mobsters. He'd be in one of those top clubs long ago if it wasn't for that. That should presumably mean he is not the smartest guy around.

Don't know about the mobsters part, but he used to have serious issues with his heart. Don't know what's the current situation, though.

R1ou
04-29-2017, 06:15 PM
For Turkish team. Don`t underestimate us when we`re playing at home. Turkey also likes to be underdog and this year we will be definetely if Asik and Erden are out. I just hope they don`t giv Kanter treatment to Yurtseven and we will have a roster of youngsters + Güler - İlyasova and Dixon. I wouldn`t mind a team led by Osman and Korkmaz Those two are the future of Turkish basketball so let them have the reins and grow. Talent and experience wise we will have a lesser team than last year which was already low but I think we will over achieve


I can't see how Turkey will finish above Latvia and Russia in the group, both of them are superior with more than a couple quality players in their roster. That said, Turkey will need to beat Spain (or Croatia, if they manage to finish 3rd in the group) in the round of 16. Mission impossible for me.

G&B
04-30-2017, 05:57 PM
Janis Timma I saw last year at qualifying tournament in Belgrade was playing worse than his Japanese opponent in the match they had against Japan.
He'd be good Serbian league player, but nothing more.

Well I know, your arrogance, just be careful that he not thrown, in your national team by 25-30 points.

unnamed
05-09-2017, 09:44 PM
Well I know, your arrogance, just be careful that he not thrown, in your national team by 25-30 points.

I'm probably one of the less arrogant people here.

G&B
05-10-2017, 10:34 AM
I'm probably one of the less arrogant people here.

Sorry, I do not know you, but your statement allows the formation of such opinion about you, because you say that those players who are interested in the Euroleague Top clubs are Your full national championship.
I never said that your team is weak, but now everyone can play basketbal, even in Latvia and there are really great players.

Frankly, for me as a fan of the Lithuanian national team is equally dangerous to both the Serbian team and the Latvian team.

unnamed
05-10-2017, 02:05 PM
Sorry, I do not know you, but your statement allows the formation of such opinion about you, because you say that those players who are interested in the Euroleague Top clubs are Your full national championship.
I never said that your team is weak, but now everyone can play basketbal, even in Latvia and there are really great players.

Frankly, for me as a fan of the Lithuanian national team is equally dangerous to both the Serbian team and the Latvian team.

No, I only said based on three appearances in qualifying tournament in Belgrade he didn't show much.

G&B
05-11-2017, 10:21 AM
No, I only said based on three appearances in qualifying tournament in Belgrade he didn't show much.

I think that no matter how they played in the European Championship qualification selection, but they passed successfully. Maybe you should have in mind the Olympic Games qualification ?
The European Championship will no longer be in Belgrade where will be the other players, the motivation and the team will be different.

R1ou
05-11-2017, 09:06 PM
Anthony Randolph zu Slovenian NT ? :D :D

Straight forward
05-11-2017, 10:47 PM
Anthony Randolph zu Slovenian NT ? :D :D

That would be huge for them. Athletic, dynamic big linked with Dragic, Doncic. They could provide some extremely quality, uptempo small ball.

Mindozas
05-12-2017, 05:42 AM
Anthony Randolph zu Slovenian NT ? :D :D

Eurobasket related thread starts to sound like EL rumours and signings thread :) FFS FIBA

Italian Pride
05-12-2017, 11:31 AM
Anthony Randolph zu Slovenian NT ? :D :D
ahaahahah yes man


That would be huge for them. Athletic, dynamic big linked with Dragic, Doncic. They could provide some extremely quality, uptempo small ball.
Agree,Dragic-Blazia-Doncic-Nachbar-Randolph could be great line up


Eurobasket related thread starts to sound like EL rumours and signings thread :) FFS FIBA
Italy is close to sign Jeff Brooks for the next eurobasket:D

Mindozas
05-12-2017, 12:00 PM
Italy is close to sign Jeff Brooks for the next eurobasket:D

You want me to have a heart-attack :D

Joško Poljak Fan
05-12-2017, 02:15 PM
Anthony Randolph zu Slovenian NT ? :D :D
Won't happen, unless the completely changed the citizenship laws...

raph
05-13-2017, 01:26 PM
As predicted, Gobert confirmed he won't play in next Eurobasket.

On the other hand, Mahinmi changed his mind and he might be available to strengthen our frontcourt.

We still don't know what to expect with Moerman (who declared he wanted to rest this summer) but basically we should only have 2/3/4 nba players (if any..) : Diaw, Fournier, Seraphin baring injuries, maybe Luwawu-Cabarot & Mahinmi.

We probably will have some rookies at international level to fill the roster such as Poirier (Paris) or Fall (Chalon). Lessort should be a lock unless he is drafted and signs a contract with an nba franchise (which would basically mean summer leagues as everyone knows).

Once next draft is finished, we should have an idea of our roster for next Eurobasket. Right now it would be something like :
pg : heurtel, Diot, Westermann
sg: De Colo, Jackson
sf: Kahudi, Ouattara/Luwawu-Cabarrot
pf: Diaw, Tillie
c: Mahinimi, Lauvergne, Lessort

With reserves
backcourt : Konaté, Lacombe, Causeur, Toupane, Beaubois
frontcourt : Fall, Seraphin, Poirier, Moerman, Yeguete, Jean-Charles, Inglis

Obina
05-14-2017, 09:19 AM
Bjelica unlikely to play. :(

Terrorizer
05-23-2017, 10:01 PM
Long time I haven't posted anything. Well, I guess it was out of disappointment to what kind of shabby circus Jordileague had disintergated into :D

Unlike CoachZ, I think it's the rosters depth and not the presence of one or two mega-superstars around whom the national team should be built which is a decisive factor here. And, as witnessed by Lith's recent successful streak, team spirit and chemistry between players are also especially important. It can sound weird but I guess that the quality of your 5th backcourt offensive option gives a much closer approximation to the team's overall power than the individual offensive firepower of your go-to guy.

So, all in all, I think that there are three teams which stand out (especially judging by the strength of their rosters) and chances are high that they will occupy the podium: Spain (still a favourite of sorts), Serbia and France.

After that, there is a big pool of teams with maybe Greece somewhat upfront due to having a lot of useful players who are still not old yet already have scores of experience on the highest international level (Papanikolaou, Sloukas, Mantzaris) who can mix quite nicely with their older guys and their promising youngsters. They only have to have enough guts not to turn the team into a 'Greek Freak + some other role players enabling him to attain beastly stats' mode - that's a perfect recipe for disaster in FIBA basketball. The last time it worked was with Nowitzki back in early 2000s and the level of competition's toughness (especially with regards to the disparity between favourites and outsiders) was definitely lower back then. I won't rate them so far as it's better to grasp which kind of rosters will they attain and how the things will be run at federation level. For example, nobody mentions Russia as a possible positive surprise of this tournament but the way federation handled affairs after 2012 was just atrocious and it was a huge factor why a team which was legitimately ranked as third worldwide only some 5 years ago failed so horribly. I don't believe that under Kirilenko main problems will be fixed (and there's no indication of this so far), but maybe with proper preparation process outcome won't be as humiliating for our team as it was during last two EuroBaskets.

CoachZ
05-23-2017, 10:22 PM
Long time I haven't posted anything. Well, I guess it was out of disappointment to what kind of shabby circus Jordileague had disintergated into :D

Unlike CoachZ, I think it's the rosters depth and not the presence of one or two mega-superstars around whom the national team should be built which is a decisive factor here. And, as witnessed by Lith's recent successful streak, team spirit and chemistry between players are also especially important. It can sound weird but I guess that the quality of your 5th backcourt offensive option gives a much closer approximation to the team's overall power than the individual offensive firepower of your go-to guy.

So, all in all, I think that there are three teams which stand out (especially judging by the strength of their rosters) and chances are high that they will occupy the podium: Spain (still a favourite of sorts), Serbia and France.

After that, there is a big pool of teams with maybe Greece somewhat upfront due to having a lot of useful players who are still not old yet already have scores of experience on the highest international level (Papanikolaou, Sloukas, Mantzaris) who can mix quite nicely with their older guys and their promising youngsters. They only have to have enough guts not to turn the team into a 'Greek Freak + some other role players enabling him to attain beastly stats' mode - that's a perfect recipe for disaster in FIBA basketball. The last time it worked was with Nowitzki back in early 2000s and the level of competition's toughness (especially with regards to the disparity between favourites and outsiders) was definitely lower back then. I won't rate them so far as it's better to grasp which kind of rosters will they attain and how the things will be run at federation level. For example, nobody mentions Russia as a possible positive surprise of this tournament but the way federation handled affairs after 2012 was just atrocious and it was a huge factor why a team which was legitimately ranked as third worldwide only some 5 years ago failed so horribly. I don't believe that under Kirilenko main problems will be fixed (and there's no indication of this so far), but maybe with proper preparation process outcome won't be as humiliating for our team as it was during last two EuroBaskets.

I agree with most of the things you have said. How come you think I am for the star power? I have never stated that, neither when talking about club teams either. This is BTW the deepest Serbia team in recent memory. Just take a look at this possible national player pool:

PG Teodosic, Markovic, Jovic (Markovic would show up for Djordjevic)
SG Bogdanovic, Nedovic, Guduric, Milosavljevic
SF Kalinic, Simonovic, Zagorac, Dangubic
PF Bjelica, Macvan, Lucic, Jelovac, Bircevic, Mitrovic
C Jokic, Marjanovic, Raduljica, Kuzmic, Milutinov, Stimac, Musli

That is tremendous depth, I can't remember that we were so stacked since the late 90s.

Also, go back some pages I actually wrote in depth about the Russian being one of the dark horses and a great chance to have a decent Eurobasket.

Terrorizer
05-24-2017, 02:48 AM
I agree with most of the things you have said. How come you think I am for the star power? I have never stated that, neither when talking about club teams either.

Well, in this topic I've got such an impression out of this.


That is true. The problem is that coaching egos of Europe are way too big and they will try to make a system and then make Giannis a part of it... I think that Greeks need to go for a team with defensive upside and surround Giannis with length and athleticism/transition.
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The whole idea that you can build a great team by surrounding an exceptionally gifted offensive player with some purely defense-oriented "length and athleticism" is not really sympathetic to me. Sometimes you can get the results you strive for but mostly, especially in the international basketball, it doesn't pay off. As a coach you are obliged to choose the playing style with a pretty serious consideration of what kind of players you have in your squad and how you can use their strengths in an optimal way (and find a good playing strategy to 'minimize' their disadvantages also)... and, to be frank, I prefer a team which plays offense where you don't know who will net some 20 points on any given evening, where you have a great multitude of offensive combinations focused on different players (micro-managed or not :)), where rotation is really deep with no one playing more than some 26-27 minutes per game, as opposed to molding the whole team in a way that it can fit its main superstar the best.

[QUOTE=CoachZ;1126557]This is BTW the deepest Serbia team in recent memory.

That depends on what we view as 'recent' :) I don't think that in some 2010 Serbian roster was really thin either. And you had a really young team back then. But this Serbia has a lot of depth with a possible exception of SF position, no doubt about it. And that's exactly one of the main reasons why I view them as one of this forthcoming Eurobasket's most powerful teams.



Just take a look at this possible national player pool:

PG Teodosic, Markovic, Jovic (Markovic would show up for Djordjevic)
SG Bogdanovic, Nedovic, Guduric, Milosavljevic
SF Kalinic, Simonovic, Zagorac, Dangubic
PF Bjelica, Macvan, Lucic, Jelovac, Bircevic, Mitrovic
C Jokic, Marjanovic, Raduljica, Kuzmic, Milutinov, Stimac, Musli

That is tremendous depth, I can't remember that we were so stacked since the late 90s.

Potential Serbian rosters of the early- to mid- 2000s were deeper, if my memory serves me right. For example, there were more Serbs playing for elite European clubs back then and many (though not always the most talented) were in NBA also.

Also I hoped that it would take less time for all the Crvena Zvezda promising young talents to fully blossom but so far their dynamics is not that exciting as it promised to be. The fact that even guys like Mitrovic and Jovic are still unable to prove that they really outgrew Zvezda's level is telling. I mean, I like a way in which this Zvezda roster is assembled and I generally like the way they play but let's get real: if Jovic established an impressive and stable shooting range from the deep and if he was overall a more sharp and finesse offensive option by himself, he would already play for some Baskonia. And if Mitrovic scored some 12 and not 4 ppg in Euroleague season, then he also would be picked up by some Spanish/Greek/Turkish/Russian powerhouse. So far that didn't happen.

I liked your roster very much nevertheless and the fact that as your fourth SG option you have someone like Dragan Miloslavljevic, who is quality player through and through (well, right now I would put him even higher than Guduric because while Alba mostly struggled this season, Dragan was one of the few players who we definitely should not blame for that), is maybe the most important indication of why some Latvia (who is their fourth SG?) can't hold a candle to this Serbian team despite all the buzz about beastly Porzingis and the potential number of Latvians in NBA.



Also, go back some pages I actually wrote in depth about the Russian being one of the dark horses and a great chance to have a decent Eurobasket.
I haven't found it, maybe, I was inattentive or it was another topic. Most people here though put Russia way below all the Latvias and Georgias, I only remember JPF assessing our potential in a more positive manner. I mean, that's not totally outrageous because you can never predict with Russian NT, especially these days. I won't be surprised at the slightest if we'll fail abysmally (like in some 2015 or 2013) but, nevertheless, I think that this team has some non-negligible quality in its ranks. Most of the key players come off from the disappointing seasons though, so that has to be taken into account.

CoachZ
05-24-2017, 11:13 AM
Regarding Giannis comments, that was made since Greece is not talented outside of him and Printezis, maybe Sloukas. So it makes sense that when you don't have a lot of offensive firepower to base your game on a more grind it out approach and make and athletic and tough team and then have few players be go to scorers since the gap to the rest of the team is quite large.

Regarding Serbia roster, I have to disagree. This is 2010 squad:

4 G Miloš Teodosić March 19, 1987 (age 23)
5 G Milenko Tepić February 7, 1987 (age 23)
6 G Aleksandar Rašić March 16, 1984 (age 26)
7 G Ivan Paunić January 27, 1987 (age 23)
8 F Nemanja Bjelica May 9, 1988 (age 22)
9 G Stefan Marković April 25, 1988 (age 22)
10 F Duško Savanović September 5, 1983 (age 26)
11 F Marko Kešelj January 2, 1988 (age 22)
12 C Nenad Krstić July 25, 1983 (age 27)
13 C Kosta Perović February 19, 1985 (age 25)
14 F Novica Veličković October 5, 1986 (age 23)
15 F Milan Mačvan November 16, 1989 (age 20)

Extremely young and most of the players were kids that were nowhere near what they became later. Players that were at their peak were Krstic, Savanovic and an early peak from Velickovic and Keselj. Both practically disappeared later. We had no guards outside Markovic and Teodosic. Bjelica didn't even play in Laboral, Perovic LOL. Forward position was young and athletic but very little knowledge outside of Savanovic. Center line outside Krstic :D :D :D

The last deep roster we had was 2002 WC I think. Take a look at this.

G Jaric, Vujanic, Stojakovic, Rakocevic (both Stojakovic and Bodiroga played as both Guards and Forwards)
F Bodiroga, Gurovic Radmanovic, Cabarkapa
C Divac, Koturovic, Tomasevic, Drobnjak

Basically since then we had some stars and such but never so much depth.

Regarding Zvezda's talent development, the issue is mostly with injuries. Jovic has been plagued by injuries for several years. You haven't followed EL as you said, Zvezda basically collapsed when he got injured. He has discus hernia and chronic back problems and they are limiting him a lot. As soon as he breaks out, after 30+ games he starts to suffer. Mitrovic is not the same player he was due to injuries. I don't know if you have followed but he has torn his ACL 2 years ago and then after that he has dislocated the other knee as well last year and was out. He is not as athletic as he used to be, and now he is not able to play that way. He is not a shooter and he suffers on court. He put up 10ppg per game few years back, now he is far from that. Dangubic had a broken leg and an arm in the last 2 years as well. So a lot of unlucky freak injuries. Guduric on the other hand is doing very well and developing. He had a good year and some big games across the schedule. He will probably be the gem of that generation.

Oly_fan
05-28-2017, 11:33 PM
That is true. The problem is that coaching egos of Europe are way too big and they will try to make a system and then make Giannis a part of it. He was terribly misused in the past and he didn't play that well. I think that in general he seems to need a lot of mental improvement as a player since we can see in the NBA also that he doesn't respond well to being out of his comfort zone. I think that Greeks need to go for a team with defensive upside and surround Giannis with length and athleticism/transition.

Lineup like:

Calathes
Sloukas
Giannis
Printezis
Koufos

Should be able to move very well and put a lot of pressure on the ball and the passing lanes. From there a lot can be generated in transition. Then just run the second unit with Mantzaris/Papas/Perperoglou/K-Pap/Bourousis. I think that could work out well, and they could adapt to many challenges. They would be a bit limited shooting wise but still, other aspects should not be that bad.

God damn, that's embarassing.

That's exactly how we played last summer and Croatia beat us by simply playing zone.
Calathes should never for any reason be on the court when Giannis is in and I'd much rather have Bourousis or Printezis at the 5 than Koufos for the same reason.

We are not going to win anything, not even against average teams, if we think we can 'steal the ball and run' all game long. Even the US stopped being able to beat anyone playing like that years ago.
We need shooters and spacing to allow Giannis to do what he's good at.

Oly_fan
05-28-2017, 11:54 PM
Sloukas is 'maybe talented', any Serbian to have walked the earth is a basketball god.:D

Straight forward
05-29-2017, 01:22 AM
Serbia is one of the deepest teams in Europe no-brainer. But with all due respect I see one true European super star Teo who is in the same line with Euroleague's legends as Bodiroga, Saras, Diamantidis ect. Then there's 2 star players: Bogdanovic, Bjelica. All other players are generally average players, except Jokic who is yet to prove himself as a star player for Serbia (that the disappointment here available shows recent Marc Gasols', Vucevic's, D-Mo's, JV's and many other succesful NBA bigs examples). Bjelica is already out and there's a good chance Jokic as well. Sure some of those average players had solid or even good seasons for their roles in Euroleague and that might be a factor, but generally I don't see current Serbia as some major powerhouse to extensively talk about. Not even close to what they used to be in early 00's in terms of a power and talent, IMO. Serbia is among contenders, but that's about it. Specially now when their probably second best fit to FIBA (after Teo) Bjelica is out.

G&B
05-29-2017, 10:13 AM
Serbia is one of the deepest teams in Europe no-brainer. But with all due respect I see one true European super star Teo who is in the same line with Euroleague's legends as Bodiroga, Saras, Diamantidis ect. Then there's 2 star players: Bogdanovic, Bjelica. All other players are generally average players, except Jokic who is yet to prove himself as a star player for Serbia (that the disappointment here available shows recent Marc Gasols', Vucevic's, D-Mo's, JV's and many other succesful NBA bigs examples). Bjelica is already out and there's a good chance Jokic as well. Sure some of those average players had solid or even good seasons for their roles in Euroleague and that might be a factor, but generally I don't see current Serbia as some major powerhouse to extensively talk about. Not even close to what they used to be in early 00's in terms of a power and talent, IMO. Serbia is among contenders, but that's about it. Specially now when their probably second best fit to FIBA (after Teo) Bjelica is out.

I fully agree Serbia very strong team, but no more, even I do not think that they will be among the medalists in the championship.

Teo only exaggerated media star, real player is unstable.

Straight forward
05-29-2017, 03:25 PM
I fully agree Serbia very strong team, but no more, even I do not think that they will be among the medalists in the championship.


Nah, they will grab some medal. Would be shocked if they wouldn't be in the semis. From there everything might happen, but at the very least I see them grabbing bronze. My point was that I'm not much impressed with current Serbia, they had so much more talented generations in the past.

usagre
05-29-2017, 04:20 PM
I think Serbia is really top heavy. Other than Spain and France nobody has a quartet as talented as Teodosic, Bogdanovic,
Bjelica and Jokic. Nothing has really changed from the past 3 years, it's those three teams and everyone else is trailing considerably.

With everyone available those teams are tier one and Croatia, Greece and Lithuania are tier 2.

Srle
05-29-2017, 05:08 PM
Serbia is one of the deepest teams in Europe no-brainer. But with all due respect I see one true European super star Teo who is in the same line with Euroleague's legends as Bodiroga, Saras, Diamantidis ect. Then there's 2 star players: Bogdanovic, Bjelica. All other players are generally average players, except Jokic who is yet to prove himself as a star player for Serbia (that the disappointment here available shows recent Marc Gasols', Vucevic's, D-Mo's, JV's and many other succesful NBA bigs examples). Bjelica is already out and there's a good chance Jokic as well. Sure some of those average players had solid or even good seasons for their roles in Euroleague and that might be a factor, but generally I don't see current Serbia as some major powerhouse to extensively talk about. Not even close to what they used to be in early 00's in terms of a power and talent, IMO. Serbia is among contenders, but that's about it. Specially now when their probably second best fit to FIBA (after Teo) Bjelica is out.

Ok than, which other NT team is full of world beaters and superstars and its heavy favorite this year at Eurobasket :confused: Spain is on the downside, Pau Gasol their most important player in the last 15 years have regressed badly this season , only Marc Gasol and Lull are having great seasons , they have bunch of good role players and that's it . Which other teams ??? Lithuania is dangerous at eurobasket but the star power of that team is below average, their biggest name Valanciunas had a very poor season , except him and Kuzminkas I can't name any other Lithuanian player that means something in the European and NBA basketball as of now . France will play without Gobert and Parker , maybe Batum as well , I don't see them in the top 4 without all those players , even when they are in full strength , they struggle a lot, Greece have Giannis but last summer we saw him being exposed in FIBA basketball , he couldn't carry his team to Rio. Croatia have Saric and Bogdanovic and bunch of young unproven players , I don't see them contending for the top 3 spots this year. So name me the team who is that better and heavy favorite against Serbia with all their players available :confused: To remind you again, that NT have played two most important finals in the last 4 years , and was fourth at last eurobasket . You said Jokic haven't proved himself with the NT , but he was the MVP of the qualifying tournament in Belgrade last year , at the Olympic tournament he was huge against Croatia,Australia, also had some very good games in group stage , especially against USA, and he won the silver medal at the end , just like Pau Gasol did in the past :rolleyes: Also he just came out of great season in the NBA, he was one of the most efficient player in the league, posted up bunch of triple doubles etc. . Bogdanovic and Teodosic are superstars in Euroleague they will play in the NBA next season, Kalinic have showed his worth at final four as a role payer, Nedovic is having great season in Spain , Jovic , Micic, Kuzmic,Milutinov are all having solid season as well . Boban Marjanovic could be surprise if Djordjevic decide to invite him this year , And if Bjelica is ready for Eurobasket, I don't have a doubt that Serbia is going to play in the finals. But I am also aware if Jokic and Bjelica cancel their participation , Serbia might not qualify for quarter finals either.

Srle
05-29-2017, 05:13 PM
I fully agree Serbia very strong team, but no more, even I do not think that they will be among the medalists in the championship.

Teo only exaggerated media star, real player is unstable.

Teodosic have led his team to world cup and Olympic finals, post again when Lithuanian player achieve that .

R1ou
05-29-2017, 09:02 PM
I've been reading that Teodosic will not join, is that true? If no him, Markovic who said he would retire, Bjelica who's injured and Jokic who might not join, Spain is the favorite to win it once again but at the same time they're not unbeatable like they used to be.

Straight forward
05-29-2017, 11:00 PM
Ok than, which other NT team is full of world beaters and superstars and its heavy favorite this year at Eurobasket :confused: Spain is on the downside, Pau Gasol their most important player in the last 15 years have regressed badly this season , only Marc Gasol and Lull are having great seasons , they have bunch of good role players and that's it . Which other teams ??? Lithuania is dangerous at eurobasket but the star power of that team is below average, their biggest name Valanciunas had a very poor season , except him and Kuzminkas I can't name any other Lithuanian player that means something in the European and NBA basketball as of now . France will play without Gobert and Parker , maybe Batum as well , I don't see them in the top 4 without all those players , even when they are in full strength , they struggle a lot, Greece have Giannis but last summer we saw him being exposed in FIBA basketball , he couldn't carry his team to Rio. Croatia have Saric and Bogdanovic and bunch of young unproven players , I don't see them contending for the top 3 spots this year. So name me the team who is that better and heavy favorite against Serbia with all their players available :confused: To remind you again, that NT have played two most important finals in the last 4 years , and was fourth at last eurobasket . You said Jokic haven't proved himself with the NT , but he was the MVP of the qualifying tournament in Belgrade last year , at the Olympic tournament he was huge against Croatia,Australia, also had some very good games in group stage , especially against USA, and he won the silver medal at the end , just like Pau Gasol did in the past :rolleyes: Also he just came out of great season in the NBA, he was one of the most efficient player in the league, posted up bunch of triple doubles etc. . Bogdanovic and Teodosic are superstars in Euroleague they will play in the NBA next season, Kalinic have showed his worth at final four as a role payer, Nedovic is having great season in Spain , Jovic , Micic, Kuzmic,Milutinov are all having solid season as well . Boban Marjanovic could be surprise if Djordjevic decide to invite him this year , And if Bjelica is ready for Eurobasket, I don't have a doubt that Serbia is going to play in the finals. But I am also aware if Jokic and Bjelica cancel their participation , Serbia might not qualify for quarter finals either.

To me Spain is superior in star power, no-brainer. Pau hasn't regressed badly, his role was smaller playing for way stronger Spurs than previous Bulls, but he may even had better season statistically. Till no-one proved otherwise Pau Gasol is the most dominant FIBA baller at the moment. The way he dominated in the knock out stage of EB 2015, with some 40pts performances, I'm not sure Euro Fiba ball ever witnessed. In OG he also was 20/9/2 player, let's not rule him out. He's the king of FIBA at the moment. When he finally have bad tournament, than we'll talk. Aside best FIBA baller, there's Marc Gasol, Lull, Mirotic (he was 12,7ppg in EB 2015), Rodriguez. Plenty of depth, mentioning such as Rubio, Rudy, Reyes, Hernangómez (who could easily be among best EL bigs if not the best), Claver.

Than France with Gobert, Batum, Fournier, De Colo, not to mention their potential funny bench, composed of not some solid EL role players, but NBA players like Diaw, Ajinca, Lauvergne, Mahinmi, Kevin Seraphin, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot + solid EL players as Huertel, Diot, Westermann and others.

Those 2 fully packed are any time better in my account. On the paper...Yet Serbia is better oiled and those EL players might be better fit to FIBA ball than some NBA players.

PS: Let's face it, Serbia was lucky to get Ausies and not Spaniards in semis of OG (f.e.). Spain gave a good fight for USA in semis, while USA simply swept Serbia in the final.

vuxsa
05-30-2017, 07:36 AM
PS: Let's face it, Serbia was lucky to get Ausies and not Spaniards in semis of OG (f.e.). Spain gave a good fight for USA in semis, while USA simply swept Serbia in the final.

Yeah, and we were lucky to get 'bad Greece', 'overhyped Brazil' and 'not-prepared France' in 2014...:D Doesn't matter though, we should win the gold, and maybe, just maybe then people would start to give some credit to us:rolleyes:

Mind the words - with full rosters, only Serbia and Spain are gold medal contenders at this moment. If not full rosters, than situation can go in any direction.

CoachZ
05-30-2017, 10:19 AM
To me Spain is superior in star power, no-brainer. Pau hasn't regressed badly, his role was smaller playing for way stronger Spurs than previous Bulls, but he may even had better season statistically. Till no-one proved otherwise Pau Gasol is the most dominant FIBA baller at the moment. The way he dominated in the knock out stage of EB 2015, with some 40pts performances, I'm not sure Euro Fiba ball ever witnessed. In OG he also was 20/9/2 player, let's not rule him out. He's the king of FIBA at the moment. When he finally have bad tournament, than we'll talk. Aside best FIBA baller, there's Marc Gasol, Lull, Mirotic (he was 12,7ppg in EB 2015), Rodriguez. Plenty of depth, mentioning such as Rubio, Rudy, Reyes, Hernangómez (who could easily be among best EL bigs if not the best), Claver.

Than France with Gobert, Batum, Fournier, De Colo, not to mention their potential funny bench, composed of not some solid EL role players, but NBA players like Diaw, Ajinca, Lauvergne, Mahinmi, Kevin Seraphin, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot + solid EL players as Huertel, Diot, Westermann and others.

Those 2 fully packed are any time better in my account. On the paper...Yet Serbia is better oiled and those EL players might be better fit to FIBA ball than some NBA players.

PS: Let's face it, Serbia was lucky to get Ausies and not Spaniards in semis of OG (f.e.). Spain gave a good fight for USA in semis, while USA simply swept Serbia in the final.

You keep forgetting that we have beaten those Spaniards in 2015 and erased Gasol and Mirotic, in a tournament where Pau dominated. We are the absolute worst matchup nightmare for them, of course outside of USA who is everyone's worst nightmare...

Tevfik1907
05-30-2017, 11:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s28MRNCOsmk

When I compared the teams with 2011 to 2017 I've seen that Serbia has become more powerful in years while we've weakened a lot. Serbia probably finishes the group in no.1 then Turkey or Russia.

janketa
05-30-2017, 11:44 AM
We are not weaker just don't have the right coach to select the right players.

Guler
Mahmutoglu
Osman
Ilasova
Duverioglu

This is among 10 best first five in the competition. Regarding we are the host this could be near medal with right tactics. But only if they play their defensive role in the best possible way. But who will tell them that defence is the most important part of the modern basketball? Ataman:D

PS. Serbia will be unbeatable this year and I hope all Fener fans will support them.

R1ou
05-30-2017, 11:54 AM
We are not weaker just don't have the right coach to select the right players.

Guler
Mahmutoglu
Osman
Ilasova
Duverioglu

This is among 10 best first five in the competition. Regarding we are the host this could be near medal with right tactics. But only if they play their defensive role in the best possible way. But who will tell them that defence is the most important part of the modern basketball? Ataman:D

PS. Serbia will be unbeatable this year and I hope all Fener fans will support them.

Imo this is mediocre Turkish team that even with fan support is nowhere near to be considered as a medal contender. I can name you 10 better squads right now and possibly only half of them have a slight chance to win a medal.

And I don't agree with the last statement, a Serbian team without Bjelica, Markovic, Teodosic and possibly Jokic is not unbeatable even though they're a legit medal contender.

Tevfik1907
05-30-2017, 12:04 PM
I think Barıs Ermis deserves to be on the team rotation in this year, his last game against us was great, 21 pts 10 assists.

Still, we've a serious guard problem, Ali Muhammed can't carry the team on his own, Sinan Guler was terrible at the last game against Efes, Ender Arslan is no more, Dogus Balbay isn't reliable at offense, Yagmur isn't even playing on his own team, and Sipahi is almost same, he is just a rotation player in BJK, not a team leader.

janketa
05-30-2017, 12:07 PM
Imo this is mediocre Turkish team that even with fan support is nowhere near to be considered as a medal contender. I can name you 10 better squads right now and possibly only half of them have a slight chance to win a medal.

And I don't agree with the last statement, a Serbian team without Bjelica, Markovic, Teodosic and possibly Jokic is not unbeatable even though they're a legit medal contender.

I will not require to name 10 better first five but if you wish name them and I will answer. You could only name 10 better coaches.
This is not mediocre trust me, because I am an expert for estimation of mediocre and I proved that many times:D
I repeat this is not mediocre but not among the best too.
If you want to name better here you go please

janketa
05-30-2017, 12:12 PM
Sinan Guler was terrible at the last game against Efes

So what? One game means nothing.


Ender Arslan is no more
Who is that guy?:eek:


Barıs Ermis deserves to be on the team rotation in this yea

Yes of course. As second pg.

Dixon should play as sg in NT.

CoachZ
05-30-2017, 12:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s28MRNCOsmk

When I compared the teams with 2011 to 2017 I've seen that Serbia has become more powerful in years while we've weakened a lot. Serbia probably finishes the group in no.1 then Turkey or Russia.

He posts the clip of the greatest robbery in history of basketball...

R1ou
05-30-2017, 12:19 PM
I will not require to name 10 better first five but if you wish name them and I will answer. You could only name 10 better coaches.
This is not mediocre trust me, because I am an expert for estimation of mediocre and I proved that many times:D
I repeat this is not mediocre but not among the best too.
If you want to name better here you go please

Imo all of Latvia, Russia, Spain, France, Serbia, Greece, Croatia, Italy, Lithuania and Germany have a deeper roster than Turkey.

janketa
05-30-2017, 12:26 PM
He posts the clip of the greatest robbery in history of basketball...

If this was final game I would understand, but bronze or silver medal who cares. I would give you silver medal if I could but that means nothing.
Americans were too strong for you in final too.

janketa
05-30-2017, 12:31 PM
Imo all of Latvia, Russia, Spain, France, Serbia, Greece, Croatia, Italy, Lithuania and Germany have a deeper roster than Turkey.

I didn't say the roster but first five. Regarding first five, stronger are Serbia, Lithuania, Italy , Spain, France, Greece, Croatia. Deeper roster have all participants.
But deeper roster when you play as host and with hart means nothing in such tournament. You should know that better then me:D Your first medal was with 7 players rotation.

R1ou
05-30-2017, 12:37 PM
I didn't say the roster but first five. Regarding first five, stronger are Serbia, Lithuania, Italy , Spain, France, Greece, Croatia. Deeper roster have all participants.
But deeper roster when you play as host and with hart means nothing in such tournament. You should know that better then me:D Your first medal was with 7 players rotation.

Latvia has a great starting 5 too and will clinch the second place in their group rather easily.

Regarding the rest, as I said in my opinion Germany and Russia are better teams too but that's arguable.

Tevfik1907
05-30-2017, 12:48 PM
Latvia has a great starting 5 too and will clinch the second place in their group rather easily.
.

I think you're mistaken it with Lithuania :D

Latvia is good, and even comparable to our roster, but no where near close to being superior to us.


my opinion Germany and .


You're talking about this team right ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrpM1WLGUXY

R1ou
05-30-2017, 01:02 PM
I think you're mistaken it with Lithuania :D

Latvia is good, and even comparable to our roster, but no where near close to being superior to us.

It's a non-brainer to call this Turkish team far better than the Latvian one. In fact a line-up consisted of Porzingis, Timma, Bertans bros, Strelnieks and some decent role players who are if not worse, at least in the level of the respective Turkish ones in that case, is definitely the favorite favorites finish in the second place. 1-2 is a lock for me.

Turkey will have to beat Russia otherwise they will finish 4th and face Spain the round of 16.

Tevfik1907
05-30-2017, 01:27 PM
It's a non-brainer to call this Turkish team far better than the Latvian one.

Seriously, you've a problem with your eyes. Since when did I say we are better, and even far better than Latvian team ?

You said Latvian team is better than us and I said that's not true, that's the end of it, I never said anything about being better.

R1ou
05-30-2017, 01:43 PM
Latvia is good, and even comparable to our roster, but no where near close to being superior to us.

Since when isn't superior supposed to mean better? You're delusional..

I prefer to stay entitled to my opinion, you're entitled to your subjective one.

CoachZ
05-30-2017, 03:46 PM
If this was final game I would understand, but bronze or silver medal who cares. I would give you silver medal if I could but that means nothing.
Americans were too strong for you in final too.

That is not the point. It could've been a QTR Final or even a group game. Wouldn't make it less unfair :)

R1ou
05-30-2017, 04:27 PM
Duverioglu


Btw he's already a Jordan international, he can't play for Turkey.

Straight forward
05-30-2017, 06:53 PM
You keep forgetting that we have beaten those Spaniards in 2015 and erased Gasol and Mirotic, in a tournament where Pau dominated. We are the absolute worst matchup nightmare for them, of course outside of USA who is everyone's worst nightmare...

In the group stage...Spain is so bored with the group stage that they were walking like living dead in OG group stage and when the time came turned to another gear and started to abuse the opponents. And off course that nightmare matchup in 2013 EB 4finals (Spain-Serbia 90:60)...To me Spain with Pau is stronger than Serbia as of now...I think only real brake out tournament of Jokic can change that.

BTW, Lithuania beat France in the group stage in 2013, but got swept by them in the final...

CoachZ
05-30-2017, 07:00 PM
In the group stage...Spain is so bored with the group stage that they were walking like living dead in OG group stage and when the time came turned to another gear and started to abuse the opponents. And off course that nightmare matchup in 2013 EB 4finals (Spain-Serbia 90:60)...To me Spain with Pau is stronger than Serbia as of now...I think only real brake out tournament of Jokic can change that.

BTW, Lithuania beat France in the group stage in 2013, but got swept by them in the final...

Bear in mind that an extremely young team beat Spain in 2010 at their peak. I am not saying that we will do it again but we have a great chance and often we have the best matchup vs them. Of course, until we know the rosters we can't speak of anything. I am finally happy though about Serbia depth which was an issue in the past and an injury or two used to devastate us.

I have no problem if full roster of Spain comes, it will be more fun to watch those games. I don't want us to win vs a crippled team. Where is the fun in that...

unnamed
05-30-2017, 08:49 PM
I love the fortune telling on this forum before the rosters are known

Shawshank
05-31-2017, 12:49 AM
Bear in mind that an extremely young team beat Spain in 2010 at their peak. I am not saying that we will do it again but we have a great chance and often we have the best matchup vs them. Of course, until we know the rosters we can't speak of anything. I am finally happy though about Serbia depth which was an issue in the past and an injury or two used to devastate us.

I have no problem if full roster of Spain comes, it will be more fun to watch those games. I don't want us to win vs a crippled team. Where is the fun in that...

We too beat spain without gasol in 2010 its doesnt count.Remember how they demolished you in 2009 eurobasket final? And you beat them in the group in same tournament, but when spain turn on playoofs mood not even a contest....to beat spain with Pau in playoffs mood is not same thing as beat them in group.Like last 10 years to beat spain in playoffs only 2 teams managed usa and one game 2014 France.Almost all other spain playoff games were just blowouts without any contest.Ok in 2015 and 2016 they werent that convincing because of aging stars but still won those games.They blown lithuania, they blown out serbia, they blown france they blown out everybody.Yes maybe they are old now and maybe its last dance for this golden generation, but they are definetely team to beat again.How Spain dominated eurobaskets 2007-2015 i dont think anybody dominated in such fasion before.Killing best teams by 20 or 25.I hate them, but they were really very very good.Like Warriors now in nba, yes they can lose some final, but when they play their game they are best team by big margin in like 90% of times same was/ is with Spain in europe.

I give you that because spain stars are ageing you have better shot to beat them this year than it was 5years ago, but still if pau plays Spain will be favorites to win againts anybody in europe in playoffs .

janketa
05-31-2017, 09:36 AM
That is not the point. It could've been a QTR Final or even a group game. Wouldn't make it less unfair :)

No, but importance of the game affects the importance of the "robbery ". For instance if in second serbian league some player goes in locker room with the ball and comes back to dunk nobody will say that is the biggest robbery in the history. But if in the WC semi some player step on the line 3 seconds before the end that has much more importance. Still, this was a bad call and was unfair to Serbia.

G&B
05-31-2017, 10:54 AM
No, but importance of the game affects the importance of the "robbery ". For instance if in second serbian league some player goes in locker room with the ball and comes back to dunk nobody will say that is the biggest robbery in the history. But if in the WC semi some player step on the line 3 seconds before the end that has much more importance. Still, this was a bad call and was unfair to Serbia.

The judges also people they are wrong and it is natural. Each championship is dire unjust judges mistakes such. EC 2011 our lost the decisive match in Macedonia, the judges simply did not notice that the Macedonian player 3 seconds zone overstay even 8 seconds !!! and it might cost us a medal, but we can blame ourselves that we played seen throughout, without significant preponderance.

CoachZ
05-31-2017, 12:46 PM
We too beat spain without gasol in 2010 its doesnt count.Remember how they demolished you in 2009 eurobasket final? And you beat them in the group in same tournament, but when spain turn on playoofs mood not even a contest....to beat spain with Pau in playoffs mood is not same thing as beat them in group.Like last 10 years to beat spain in playoffs only 2 teams managed usa and one game 2014 France.Almost all other spain playoff games were just blowouts without any contest.Ok in 2015 and 2016 they werent that convincing because of aging stars but still won those games.They blown lithuania, they blown out serbia, they blown france they blown out everybody.Yes maybe they are old now and maybe its last dance for this golden generation, but they are definetely team to beat again.How Spain dominated eurobaskets 2007-2015 i dont think anybody dominated in such fasion before.Killing best teams by 20 or 25.I hate them, but they were really very very good.Like Warriors now in nba, yes they can lose some final, but when they play their game they are best team by big margin in like 90% of times same was/ is with Spain in europe.

I give you that because spain stars are ageing you have better shot to beat them this year than it was 5years ago, but still if pau plays Spain will be favorites to win againts anybody in europe in playoffs .

Actually the dominance of Yugoslavia teams 1989-1991 is the most dominant period of international basketball outside of Team USA. 2001 Eurobasket was also pure dominance.

I am not saying that Spain is bad or we are superior, I am just saying that we have a good matchup vs them. The problem with our teams used to be depth and having the roster to run and score with Spain, as most teams in Europe, since we didn't have a great defensive matchups like France used to do vs them. Now we have a very, very high octane offense and roster, a lot of athleticism and that makes us a bad matchup for an ageing team who relies on scoring to win. To be honest I would much rather play Spain in a knockout game now vs France (with full roster of course, both cases).

CoachZ
05-31-2017, 12:48 PM
No, but importance of the game affects the importance of the "robbery ". For instance if in second serbian league some player goes in locker room with the ball and comes back to dunk nobody will say that is the biggest robbery in the history. But if in the WC semi some player step on the line 3 seconds before the end that has much more importance. Still, this was a bad call and was unfair to Serbia.

The issue with that game is not that one call. The whole game was terribly officiated. The faking of injury so he doesn't have to shoot free throws, phantom calls :) Nevertheless, I would like to forget about it and not keep bringing it up.

R1ou
05-31-2017, 06:39 PM
Claver out for Spain.

Shawshank
05-31-2017, 06:59 PM
Actually the dominance of Yugoslavia teams 1989-1991 is the most dominant period of international basketball outside of Team USA. 2001 Eurobasket was also pure dominance.

I am not saying that Spain is bad or we are superior, I am just saying that we have a good matchup vs them. The problem with our teams used to be depth and having the roster to run and score with Spain, as most teams in Europe, since we didn't have a great defensive matchups like France used to do vs them. Now we have a very, very high octane offense and roster, a lot of athleticism and that makes us a bad matchup for an ageing team who relies on scoring to win. To be honest I would much rather play Spain in a knockout game now vs France (with full roster of course, both cases).

Jugoslavia was dominant in 1989-1991,but it was because Lithuanians players wasnt imvolved in those champs remember or didnt wanted to have no part in those ussrs teams in those last years. Ussr with Lithuanians owned Jugoslavia and petrovic in 1984-1988 years.Almost always beating them,jugs were trying any tricks,to fight,to flop but couldnt overcome deeper ussr team. Spain in last decade was beating best teams Lithuania,Serbia,France by 20 in playoofs.Jugoslavia wouldnt have that advantage over ussr in early90s (im not sure they had any btw with Sabonis and Marciulionis in those years its diffrent ball game).

And Spain did that not for 3years,but for like 10... Since 2006.

You are crazy choosing Spain in knockout stage over France :)) I dont believe you really want to face Spain in playoofs.Pau Gasol maybe is best player suited for fiba competions ever.I mean you cant touch him -its a faul.He knows how to flop,he knows how to be smart and he can shoot,pass and refs always bail him out even when something goes wrong.Impossible to stop him in fiba rules Too skilled and too smart.In nba yes where they allow pusshing and let the men play.France without parker leadership in playoffs will strugle,you will see.They are super athletic,but not smart team.In playoofs you have to have some brain.Parker was their brain and leader of that team for more than decade.

The two teams that i wont see in playoofs is Spain and Serbia proven playoofs winners.But if i have to choose lets say opponent for semifinal i choose Serbia without even thinking its less of evil.We have many battles and we know we can beat your team.You need to be smart,tough and do let get serbs get in our head.And ofcourse get in Teos head and you have a chance :) Thats would be our game plan against Serbia.Against Spain they just blowing us out in first half ...We play Usa alot better and tougher than againts Spain for unknown reasons.

CoachZ
05-31-2017, 07:40 PM
You are missing a HUGE point. 1988 was Petrovic entering prime the rest was KIDS. Those kids just needed some experience and they really just had a bad game. They have beat the same Soviet Team in the groups as well. You have beaten a team that was upcoming. The pure dominance that the team has put on has never been seen outside of team USA. They youngest team in the history of Eurobasket has demolished everyone and won all the games with record margin never repeated. Then did it at the Worlds, then again at Eurobasket. The remnants of that team after the breakup took care of that Team Lietuva as well. Anyway, I never intended to turn this into a pissing contest, which you are doing especially disrespectful comments towards the greatest international team outside of TEAM USA. Yes, they had 3 years but not by their fault, the country broke up. Following with another spell of dominance by a new country without half of the talent that went away...

The breakup of Yugoslavia in reality just gave a chance to the rest of Europe and World to catch up, since the dominance that would've followed would've been just difficult to watch. You might not like that but it is a fact.

Regarding current Spain, France. Most of the things you said are correct. I was talking about matchups. We are a high IQ team and due to that tend to do well vs drama queen types of players and not get into shit that they pull on other teams. Quite difficult to provoke and tend to show little respect to those antics and we can use them to our advantage as well, which Spaniards really have issue with if people start getting calls on their shit. I like the matchup because, we have several options to defend the light setup of Gasol - Mirotic. We have defended him very well with Bjelica often with help and Kalinic/Simonovic erased Mirotic. We can also match the shooting that they have and play at crazy tempo. Spain can't slow down, since then their weaknesses start to show. An uptempo game is something we can handle in the last few years, which we couldn't before with Krstic, Savanovic and the crew. Team is now athletic, runs very well, key players in prime years and a bunch of younger guys. Yes, Spain has experience in the clutch and that is their advantage. France with full roster is never a good one for us, since they have several players that can slash with high level of success without real creation from PG spot and they have a lot of ways to defend the PnR that our bigs depend on before Jokic came up. So yes, I would rather take Spain in QTR lets say than France (if both teams are at full strength.).

ftlog
06-01-2017, 02:13 PM
we want slice me nice's power rankings and analysis!

Tevfik1907
06-02-2017, 12:56 PM
According to Haluk Yıldırım, Ersan Ilyasova and Omer Asik will join the National team in 2017.

I also think that Sertac Sanli should join the team as a PF rotation player, he has a good shoot and he has been effective in play-offs with BJK.

janketa
06-02-2017, 02:05 PM
We don't need Omer Asik and his bricks. He should retire

Shawshank
06-02-2017, 07:49 PM
Coach Z that jugoslavia 1989-1991 was great team i do not deny that but not better than Spain 00s.They were still young even in those 1889-1991.In one year they suddenly didnt become 5times better.In 1988 summer ussr-Jugislavia 2-1 and was beaten in most important game.Sabonis and Marciuliobis was level above anybody on that team except Petrovic.In 1992 when they return they convingly beat croatia with all those petrovic, radja,kukoc and so on.And jugoslavia had very tough time beating ltu in 1995 when already marciulionis and sabinis was over 30.
You disrecpect Sabonis and Marciulionis greatness with them in same team in early 90s good luck beating them.In 1990 wc final jugoslavia beat ussr by 15 points, that was playing without sabonis, marciulionis, kurtinaitis .With them in a game a you sure who wins its very tricky to say the least.Yes jugoslavia in early was very good, but the only team that was beating them was playing without leaders.That jugislavia never did beat ussr with litjuanians in playoof type game.And Ussr would have 2 of 3 best players on the floor in early 1990s game But please dont need act as that young 1989-1991 was unbeaten.With young Sabonis domination inside you always have very good chance.

CoachZ
06-02-2017, 09:40 PM
Yugoslavia team of the early-mid nineties would be:

PG Djordjevic, Zdovc, Obradovic
SG Drazen, Danilovic, Perasovic
SF Kukoc, Bodiroga, Komazec
PF Radja, Paspalj,
C Divac, Vrankovic, Rebraca, Savic, Tabak

So, there is no contest when talking about this roster. Like I said, not their fault that the country broke up and they didn't have a chance to continue their dominance.

In 1988, USSR has beaten a team of 18-19-20 year olds. Some of them seeing their first international action. They didn't improve 5 times as you say in a year but they got experience and have seen they can play with the world's best. In 1987, Divac, Djordjevic, Kukoc, Radja played for Yugoslavia Youth team in 1987 and won the world title beating Team USA along the way. Those were kids, real kids. Sabonis and Sarunas were 24, that difference is night and day in terms of experience.

Regarding 1995, you are forgetting a HUUUUUGE thing. That post-breakup Yugoslavia team has not played a game together in 4 years!!! We didn't even know whether we will be allowed to compete in the Eurobasket. The team got together 2 weeks before the tournament and WON! The years that followed were hardly a surprise after that feat they have accomplished. So yes Arvydas and Sarunas were 31 at the time, but one was at that age best player in Europe with Real Madrid and EL MVP and the other was putting up good numbers in NBA as a 6th man. Those were not old dudes sorry. 31 is still prime years.

It's unfortunate that the world didn't witness the Yugoslavia teams of the 1990s and 2000s after that (again some amazing talents coming up). Even today, just think about how a Yugoslavia team would look like. Unfortunately that chance was taken away by retarded morons who tore up that country...

Again this not said to disrespect Lithuania or Spain, just in terms of pure dominance that was the team. Tell me another country that breaks up into 5-6 pieces and maintain domination in basketball for the next 10 years? I loved the Lithuania teams, I cheered for them except when they were playing us. I loved Sabonis as a player. It's not a knock on anybody on those teams but those USSR and Spain teams really don't have the depth of talent that those Yugoslavia teams had across all 5 positions. Those generations were something out of Sci-Fi book...

Shawshank
06-03-2017, 02:43 AM
Tallent wise and potencial of that 1988-1991 Jugoslavia was scary no doubt.But most of them was still very young.Already in 1988 nobody could beat them, only ussr did it twice! 9months after olympic final they destroyed eurobasket89...Bad teams do not make finals of olympic games!Your leader was same age as sabonis and marciulionis in 1988. Thats what im saying on 1989-1991 they won because nobody had enough tallent to hold with them for 40minutes in europe.The only team that could olympic champions 1988 wasnt playing, so they were beating tournaments easily in those 3 years.

When 4 olympic champions return to play in not official eurobasket 92 they destroy everybody 11wins in 11 game. And obviuosly was second best team that summer after dream team.

How Sabonis, Marciulionis,Kurtinaitis, Chomicius played in two olympics 1988 and 1992 , they definetely would have normal chances againts that young super talented but inexperience jugoslavian team 1989-1991.Thats my point, there were a force that could seriuosly chalenge those 3 time gold medalist, but because of politics that force didnt play.

In 1995 lithuania was without a bench, we played like 7 players.We had 2 bigger stars than jugoslavia had, but you were alot deeper.But Sabonis and marciulionis was so dominant that even without a bench almost won, if not djordjevic career game. And remember ussr team would have a bench of volkovs, tichonenko, belosteans and co that would help lithuanian leaders in ussr team.

Sabonis in those days was like james in europe.If you have him you have a chances.Those slim jugoslavian bigs wouldnt be able do nothing againts 25 years old arvydas.

Starting somewhere from 1994 that jugoslavia team you written would be too good to anybody, but it wasnt meant to happen.Surely would beat anybody in europe.But in1990-1992 is still would be open discusion who is better between ussr and jugoslavia.Both ussr and lithuania teams made olympic semifinal 92 , unite them again to one team thats a force team that would not affraid of nobody except usa dream team :)

I respect Jugoslavian basketball alot, you are winner character nation and i dont wanna see you in playoffs :) But sometimes give credit where it should be spains last decades results was unreachable to anybody except usa.

Mostly i respect in modern era about Serbia is that basically only Serbia and Lithuania left two dinozaurs who still playing only their own boys, no cheating, no americans in roster even when almost everybody does that nowadays. And still both countries still winning medals in fair fight, wuth no americans with 25pts in the roster...In this area we are better and more proud basketball schools than Spains.

R1ou
06-03-2017, 11:07 AM
PS: Hezonja out from EB. Pretty huge loss for Croatia, but for them Bogdanovic and Saric is the key.

Hezonja has been included in the preliminary roster, his status is at least questionable at the moment.

Croatia has a nice roster, they already have an easy path to the quarters unless they finish 4th (or basically against whoever they face except of Serbia). With him joining they should be aiming for the semis.

Straight forward
06-03-2017, 12:45 PM
no americans with 25pts in the roster...

There's no Americans in FIBA Europe who could do that :rolleyes: Not even close. In fact there's only one player in FIBA at the moment who can do that and it's Pau (funny numbers in 2015 EB 26/9/3). I'm keeping my eyes open on Giannis, Porzingis, Jokic, but I doubt they could go after such numbers. Even if Giannis and Porzingis have perfect situation on the paper. It's all about them in their teams.

Picek
06-04-2017, 07:43 PM
Hezonja has been included in the preliminary roster, his status is at least questionable at the moment.

Croatia has a nice roster, they already have an easy path to the quarters unless they finish 4th (or basically against whoever they face except of Serbia). With him joining they should be aiming for the semis.

Hezonja has already stated he needs a free summer to work on his game considering a dissapointing season he has had this year.
but then again, with season finished in april he has may, june and july to work on his game and join the NT preparations.
that is the reason he is actually on the list as Aco stated he will speak with him again as he had time to cool off.
it's hard to tell what will happen.
he needs playing time, in the NT he would actually get that. or would at least have a good chance to earn that.

especially since we have problem with Babić and Simon who both had a lot of injury problems through the season.
Babić missed entire playoff with Cedevita and was injured during the regular season as well before he returned and got injured again.
and Simon missed a big part of italian playoffs but also missed a lot of games during the season.
on the other hand we will most probably see Marko Popović in the NT jersey for one last time.
also, we are still waiting for any final news regarding Zubac and Žižić participation.
they are on the list but both still need to confirm their participation.

Picek
06-08-2017, 04:26 AM
also, we are still waiting for any final news regarding Zubac and Žižić participation.
they are on the list but both still need to confirm their participation.Ante Toni Žižić cancelled his participation, saying he needs a free summer to prepare for his first NBA season.
regarding Zubac, we still don't know.

EverGreen
06-13-2017, 09:48 AM
It's a shame CRO will miss so many players.

They have quality to pick up a medal.

R1ou
06-13-2017, 03:37 PM
Printezis 99% out.

Picek
06-13-2017, 07:17 PM
Jankunas also out?

G&B
06-13-2017, 08:47 PM
Jankunas also out?

The first Lithuanian team loss - P.Jankūnas (refused to play), but this position is the best complete

mojo13
06-13-2017, 11:15 PM
Hezonja has already stated he needs a free summer to work on his game considering a dissapointing season he has had this year.
but then again, with season finished in april he has may, june and july to work on his game and join the NT preparations.
that is the reason he is actually on the list as Aco stated he will speak with him again as he had time to cool off.
it's hard to tell what will happen.
he needs playing time, in the NT he would actually get that. or would at least have a good chance to earn that.

especially since we have problem with Babić and Simon who both had a lot of injury problems through the season.
Babić missed entire playoff with Cedevita and was injured during the regular season as well before he returned and got injured again.
and Simon missed a big part of italian playoffs but also missed a lot of games during the season.
on the other hand we will most probably see Marko Popović in the NT jersey for one last time.
also, we are still waiting for any final news regarding Zubac and Žižić participation.
they are on the list but both still need to confirm their participation.


I read in a Sixer's forum that Saric and Hezonja hate each other. Anyone know if there is any truth to that?

R1ou
06-13-2017, 11:22 PM
I read in a Sixer's forum that Saric and Hezonja hate each other. Anyone know if there is any truth to that?

Indeed, there's a rumour around about them 2 not having the best relationship.

CoachZ
06-14-2017, 09:00 AM
I don't think that Hezonja with his attitude can't cooexist with any player with Ego (which Saric surely has) in a team. The kid is waaaaay to cocky and conceited. He already thinks he is Michael Jordan.

vilkusuns
06-15-2017, 04:40 AM
Latvian preliminary roster:
Guards: Jānis Strēlnieks, Dairis Bertāns, Jānis Blūms, Žanis Peiners, Ingus Jakovičs, Dāvis Lejasmeiers, Aigars Šķēle, Artūrs Ausējs.

Forwards: Jānis Timma, Ojārs Siliņš, Kristaps Janičenoks, Rolands Šmits, Jānis Bērziņš.

Big men: Kristaps Porziņģis, Anžejs Pasečņiks, Mārtiņš Meiers, Dāvis Bertāns, Rolands Freimanis, Kaspars Bērziņš, Andrejs Gražulis, Iļja Gromovs, Klāvs Čavars.

Italian Pride
06-15-2017, 10:53 AM
According to Gazzetta dello sport(ahahahahah) Bargnani and Gentile won't be called in the preliminary list of 24!

we'll see

and Messina will leave after this eurobasket!

always according to gazzetta dello sport the new coach will be one of them: Obradovic(ahahahah ),Djordjevic,Ataman(Omg) or sacripanti

Picek
06-15-2017, 01:37 PM
I read in a Sixer's forum that Saric and Hezonja hate each other. Anyone know if there is any truth to that?
I don't think it is true.
the two of them practically grew up together. basketball wise anyway. they have been members of the same youth NT's while winning medals on every occasion and won the Barcelona european league tournament playing for Zagreb together.
Šarić was always the one getting more attention so gettingit even more now is something that Hezonja is simply used to.
Hezonja is extremely cocky guy so his behaviour is often not the one you would expect but I don't believe there is a hate between them.
at least it has never been reported so here.

Italian Pride
06-15-2017, 02:31 PM
Bargnani has announced his absence for the next eurobasket

R1ou
06-16-2017, 10:28 PM
The president of the federation asked from Bourousis, Printezis and Perperoglou to join the team as they will have a free summer to rest next year. Bourousis already confirmed his participation, probably Printezis and Perperoglou will decide to play as well. Same goes for Koufos.

Shawshank
06-17-2017, 06:58 AM
Lithuania will come without jankunas,seibutis, kavaliauskas.Motiejunas is questionable.

Obina
06-17-2017, 08:17 AM
Lithuania will come without jankunas,seibutis, kavaliauskas.Motiejunas is questionable.

CoachZ will leave your bandwagon. :D

Serbia without Bjelica and Jokic probably, Marjanovic is always questionable. We will see on monday....

R1ou
06-17-2017, 06:33 PM
Rudy out for Spain as well.

CoachZ
06-19-2017, 08:58 AM
So here are some news. Djordjevic has announced a 25 man preliminary roster:

PG
Milos Teodosic
Stefan Jovic
Vasilije Micic
Ognjen Jaramaz

SG
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Nemanja Nedovic
Marko Guduric
Dragan Milosavljevic
Branko Lazic
Ognjen Dobric

SF

Nikola Kalinic
Marko Simonovic
Nemanja Dangubic
Aleksa Radanov

PF
Nemanja Bjelica
Milan Macvan
Vladimir Lucic
Dejan Davidovac
Stefan Bircevic

C
Nikola Jokic
Boban Marjanovic
Ognjen Kuzmic
Miroslav Raduljica
Vladimir Stimac
Nikola Milutinov

So basically a full roster minus Stefan Markovic who has retired from the NT and will not come this year. Some of the eye opening call ups are youngsters Radanov, Dobric, Davidovac and Jaramaz but in reality they will not make the final cut. I am really happy for Vasa Micic and Vladimir Lucic being back in the NT. Things are looking up. There might be a cancellation here or there but it is VERY, VERY hard to say no to Djordjevic, knowing the way he behaves with people who turn down the NT :) :) :)

I have just one disappointment regarding the NT roster. Dejan Musli was left out which is totally unfair due to his last 2 seasons in Spain he has been dominant and played extremely well and improved a lot. I know we are stacked at C and he wouldn't make the cut but I think we should always pay respects to those kind of performances and call him up to the camp. One of the youngsters could've waited a year or two.

Obina
06-19-2017, 09:31 AM
Glad to see Marjanovic, great news. :)

For Bjelica, we will know situation for 2-3 days...

Srle
06-19-2017, 10:23 AM
Jokic and Milutinov probably won"t even show up at the gathering of the National team.

CoachZ
06-19-2017, 10:30 AM
Jokic and Milutinov probably won"t even show up at the gathering of the National team.

Let's see what happens before we call them out :D

G&B
06-19-2017, 03:51 PM
So here are some news. Djordjevic has announced a 25 man preliminary roster:

PG
Milos Teodosic
Stefan Jovic
Vasilije Micic
Ognjen Jaramaz

SG
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Nemanja Nedovic
Marko Guduric
Dragan Milosavljevic
Branko Lazic
Ognjen Dobric

SF

Nikola Kalinic
Marko Simonovic
Nemanja Dangubic
Aleksa Radanov

PF
Nemanja Bjelica
Milan Macvan
Vladimir Lucic
Dejan Davidovac
Stefan Bircevic

C
Nikola Jokic
Boban Marjanovic
Ognjen Kuzmic
Miroslav Raduljica
Vladimir Stimac
Nikola Milutinov

So basically a full roster minus Stefan Markovic who has retired from the NT and will not come this year. Some of the eye opening call ups are youngsters Radanov, Dobric, Davidovac and Jaramaz but in reality they will not make the final cut. I am really happy for Vasa Micic and Vladimir Lucic being back in the NT. Things are looking up. There might be a cancellation here or there but it is VERY, VERY hard to say no to Djordjevic, knowing the way he behaves with people who turn down the NT :) :) :)

I have just one disappointment regarding the NT roster. Dejan Musli was left out which is totally unfair due to his last 2 seasons in Spain he has been dominant and played extremely well and improved a lot. I know we are stacked at C and he wouldn't make the cut but I think we should always pay respects to those kind of performances and call him up to the camp. One of the youngsters could've waited a year or two.

Not bad at all, I think according list: with Bjelica 4-5 team ,without Bjelica 5-7 team.
If not Bjelica 4 (PF) position looks quite weak, and the 3 (SF) position has been problematic in the past championship and is now wrong.
What can do this team actually, we look soon.

G&B
06-19-2017, 04:03 PM
Lithuania will come without jankunas,seibutis, kavaliauskas.Motiejunas is questionable.

I think in this team Sebutis and Kavaliauskas would not be have passed the competition. Loss of only Jankūnas and even greater loss to Motiejūnas.

CoachZ
06-19-2017, 05:59 PM
Not bad at all, I think according list: with Bjelica 4-5 team ,without Bjelica 5-7 team.
If not Bjelica 4 (PF) position looks quite weak, and the 3 (SF) position has been problematic in the past championship and is now wrong.
What can do this team actually, we look soon.

I know man. If we could only have LeBron and we might be a bronze medal contender...

Obina
06-19-2017, 06:29 PM
:D :D

G&B is some kind of lithuanian iskoch. :D

CoachZ
06-19-2017, 06:30 PM
:D :D

G&B is some kind of lithuanian iskoch. :D

Nah. He just always talks shit about Serbian NT. It's an old story. Problem is he honestly believes it :D

Pera Peric
06-19-2017, 06:46 PM
Not bad at all, I think according list: with Bjelica 4-5 team ,without Bjelica 5-7 team.

https://media.giphy.com/media/isP4TLqhjm3zq/giphy.gif

janketa
06-19-2017, 06:52 PM
The best roster in Europe with or without Bjelica. No weak spots.
SF isn't problem in case of Bjelica absence because both Kalinic and Simonovic could play sf in small lineup and Lucic and Macvan are EL level players.
Serbian team will dominate in similar way as Fener in F4.
The only question is how will Djordjevic handle this roster

Straight forward
06-19-2017, 07:14 PM
The best roster in Europe with or without Bjelica. No weak spots.


No it is not :) Fully packed Spain and France are better than fully packed Serbia. Serbia is third best though.

janketa
06-19-2017, 07:24 PM
No it is not :) Fully packed Spain and France are better than fully packed Serbia. Serbia is third best though.

Fully packed Spain and France are past in this moment
Serbia has deeper roster and one or two missed players will not make big difference for them

Straight forward
06-19-2017, 08:07 PM
Fully packed Spain and France are past in this moment
Serbia has deeper roster and one or two missed players will not make big difference for them

Maybe, but it's debatable. To me France has the deepest NT in Europe even Parker less. Their backourt depth is really amazing: Heurtel, Diot, Westermann, De Colo, Jackson, Konaté, Lacombe, Causeur, Toupane, Beaubois, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot, Frank Ntilikina. Maybe 3 position is not absolutely amazing, but Batum is the best Europe's small forward at the moment, IMO, unless Greek Freak is 3.

So France deepest and Spain is most talented (strongest) NT in Europe as long as Pau is Pau (or unless some other super talent prevails).

G&B
06-19-2017, 09:20 PM
:D :D

G&B is some kind of lithuanian iskoch. :D

Conversely than you think, I have great respect for Serbia's team, that does not have naturalized players. But the need to see and problems, and they are, really 3 - NBA players (with Bjelica) and the base only Crvena Zvezda. World Championship silver still does not mean anything, perhaps there is the United State, but many other teams are at a lower level than the competition, and here the competition will be much higher.

usagre
06-19-2017, 09:37 PM
Conversely than you think, I have great respect for Serbia's team, that does not have naturalized players. But the need to see and problems, and they are, really 3 - NBA players (with Bjelica) and the base only Crvena Zvezda. World Championship silver still does not mean anything, perhaps there is the United State, but many other teams are at a lower level than the competition, and here the competition will be much higher.

I disagree. The back to back silver medals in world competitions means a lot because it was accomplished with the major contenders having their teams pretty much at full strength. I think a lot of people here are fooling themselves if they think the Eurobasket 2017 teams are gonna be anywhere near at full players participations. It's one thing to put out lists of player pools two full months prior to the tournament and a completely different story when it comes time for the actual training camp and tournament. People are gonna be shocked when they see the final squad compositions in my opinion.

CoachZ
06-19-2017, 09:40 PM
Conversely than you think, I have great respect for Serbia's team, that does not have naturalized players. But the need to see and problems, and they are, really 3 - NBA players (with Bjelica) and the base only Crvena Zvezda. World Championship silver still does not mean anything, perhaps there is the United State, but many other teams are at a lower level than the competition, and here the competition will be much higher.

How can you say that??? This is pretty much the final roster how it should look like if no cancellations

PG
Teo - CSKA/NBA
Jovic - Zvezda
Nedovic - Unicaja

SG
Bogdanovic - Fener/NBA
Guduric or Lazic - Zvezda

SF
Kalinic - Fenerbahce
Simonovic - Zvezda

PF
Bjelica - NBA
Lucic - Bayern

C
Jokic - NBA
Marjanovic - NBA
Milutinov - Oly/NBA or Stimac - Besiktas

Please explain to me how is that a Zvezda roster and 3 NBA players. Keep in mind that all of the players on this roster outside of NBA players play a key role in their squads, mostly no. 1 guys or key starters. There are Euroleague MVPs on the roster etc.

I have no idea how you evaluate squads and what is it that you think is a merit of quality. Maybe you like handball or waterpolo in reality.

usagre
06-19-2017, 09:50 PM
How can you say that??? This is pretty much the final roster how it should look like if no cancellations

PG
Teo - CSKA/NBA
Jovic - Zvezda
Nedovic - Unicaja

SG
Bogdanovic - Fener/NBA
Guduric or Lazic - Zvezda

SF
Kalinic - Fenerbahce
Simonovic - Zvezda

PF
Bjelica - NBA
Lucic - Bayern

C
Jokic - NBA
Marjanovic - NBA
Milutinov - Oly/NBA or Stimac - Besiktas

Please explain to me how is that a Zvezda roster and 3 NBA players. Keep in mind that all of the players on this roster outside of NBA players play a key role in their squads, mostly no. 1 guys or key starters. There are Euroleague MVPs on the roster etc.

I have no idea how you evaluate squads and what is it that you think is a merit of quality. Maybe you like handball or waterpolo in reality.

Talent alone that is a stacked Serbian team even for their high historical standards.

Srle
06-19-2017, 10:51 PM
Without Jokic or Bjelica it's going to be tough for Serbia, both players bring a lot creation from their positions, the sad thing is we might never see those two playing along side for the NT. With them together I would sign gold medal for us today:rolleyes:

Srle
06-19-2017, 10:55 PM
Maybe, but it's debatable. To me France has the deepest NT in Europe even Parker less. Their backourt depth is really amazing: Heurtel, Diot, Westermann, De Colo, Jackson, Konaté, Lacombe, Causeur, Toupane, Beaubois, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot, Frank Ntilikina. Maybe 3 position is not absolutely amazing, but Batum is the best Europe's small forward at the moment, IMO, unless Greek Freak is 3.

So France deepest and Spain is most talented (strongest) NT in Europe as long as Pau is Pau (or unless some other super talent prevails).
France is playing ugly basketball, they always struggle even when they are in full strength , their physicality and athleticism is what keep them reaching late stage of competitions. They looked horrible at the Olympics last year and they were "fully packed" .

Straight forward
06-19-2017, 11:14 PM
Without Jokic or Bjelica it's going to be tough for Serbia, both players bring a lot creation from their positions, the sad thing is we might never see those two playing along side for the NT. With them together I would sign gold medal for us today:rolleyes:

Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol > Jokic, Bjelica

CoachZ
06-19-2017, 11:24 PM
Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol > Jokic, Bjelica

Teo + Bogdanovic > Whatever the fuck Spain fields...

Straight forward
06-19-2017, 11:48 PM
Teo + Bogdanovic > Whatever the fuck Spain fields...

Lull, Rodriguez (both Euroleague's MVPs) and this might be in question.

CoachZ
06-19-2017, 11:50 PM
Lull, Rodriguez (both Euroleague's MVPs) and this might be in question.

Not really. They are not that complimentary on the floor. Both ball centric, none is a pure scorer as Bogdan or as good a creator as Teo.

I am not even going to start on the forward position. Who plays SF for Spain? :)

Straight forward
06-19-2017, 11:56 PM
I am not even going to start on the forward position. Who plays SF for Spain? :)

Álex Abrines. Dude can shoot the light out, underrated upcoming scorer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baR77DkCJEI

R1ou
06-19-2017, 11:59 PM
Álex Abrines. Dude can shoot the light out, underrated upcoming scorer.

With Rudy out, Juancho Hernangomez will be given the chance as well.

CoachZ
06-20-2017, 12:05 AM
Álex Abrines. Dude can shoot the light out, underrated upcoming scorer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baR77DkCJEI

He can't break a rotation in a team who can't score or shoot. He can't break through Andre Robertson. Remember that...

Straight forward
06-20-2017, 12:06 AM
With Rudy out, Juancho Hernangomez will be given the chance as well.

Indeed. Damn, those Spaniards are lucky, they got new talented brothers again...

Straight forward
06-20-2017, 12:10 AM
He can't break a rotation in a team who can't score or shoot. He can't break through Andre Robertson. Remember that...

Andre Robertson is terrific defensive player. No wonder he can't beat him, but in current circumstances (Rudy, Claver out) Álex Abrines, Juancho Hernangomez (can he play SF though?) are solid options for Spain, maybe some ACB veterans as well...

CoachZ
06-20-2017, 12:14 AM
Andre Robertson is terrific defensive player. No wonder he can't beat him, but in current circumstances (Rudy, Claver out) Álex Abrines, Juancho Hernangomez (can he play SF though?) are solid options for Spain, maybe some ACB veterans as well...

He also can't shoot, awful FTs, can't create, not a real penetrating threat and is turnover prone. So yeah, he plays great defense and what else? It would be different if OKC actually had guys beside Westbrook that could score with consistency (not even starting on Oladipo). In a team like that shooter/scorer should break rotation and get minutes easily. He couldn't...

Straight forward
06-20-2017, 12:21 AM
He also can't shoot, awful FTs, can't create, not a real penetrating threat and is turnover prone. So yeah, he plays great defense and what else? It would be different if OKC actually had guys beside Westbrook that could score with consistency (not even starting on Oladipo). In a team like that shooter/scorer should break rotation and get minutes easily. He couldn't...

You have point here, but he's just purely defensive player and on the paper it's not the worst idea to have a defensively minded SF when there's ultimate ballhogs at 1 and 2. Specially when one is the biggest ballhog in the league...Abrines is young Euro rookie, he will need time to adjust to NBA physicality, but I wouldn't be surprised he would have a decent Eurobasket.

CoachZ
06-20-2017, 12:24 AM
You have point here, but he's just purely defensive player and on the paper it's not the worst idea to have a defensively minded SF when there's ultimate ballhogs at 1 and 2. Specially when one is the biggest ballhog in the league...Abrines is young Euro rookie, he will need time to adjust to NBA physicality, but I wouldn't be surprised he would have a decent Eurobasket.

I agree the value of a defensive player is important on the team. In this case, OKC has Russ who can defend, Oladipo who is a very good defender, Adams is a good defender and why would they need a defensive specialist on the wing, when they are struggling to run a basic offense and score.

R1ou
06-20-2017, 10:56 AM
Reyes out, Navarro in.

Shawshank
06-20-2017, 02:51 PM
Serbians bench in last couple years stood strong and do not blown themselfs from inside give djordjevic credit here he was able to control it.But they have tendency and history of doing that.Because of tough players characters.It will be hard to beat them on basketball court,if they will not beat themselfs in lockeroom . Both time they won silver and both times they finished 4th in group.I see interesting momentum here and see no stability .When Serbians are not clear favorites or played badly in group they overperform in playoofs,but when they win all games and group they have tendency to underperform in playoffs.In this champ they gonne be 1 of 2 main favorites ,we will see how they gonna handle that.

I have a feeling they wont reach a final this year.Even their fans you can see how optimistic and sure are that Serbia is best team in europe .

Srle
06-20-2017, 09:55 PM
Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol > Jokic, Bjelica

When they playing together Spain ,usually wins nothing ,Jokic have schooled Pau few times this past season, I am pretty sure he can hold his own against him, especially now when Pau's career is on downside. Bjelica is not center so I don't know why you compare him with those two:confused: I know our NT with those two sharing floor together would equal to very creative basketball , it's clear that you are hater , but I would like to have our national team in full strength so they can prove wrong doubters such as you once again :rolleyes:

Straight forward
06-20-2017, 10:28 PM
When they playing together Spain ,usually wins nothing ,Jokic have schooled Pau few times this past season, I am pretty sure he can hold his own against him, especially now when Pau's career is on downside. Bjelica is not center so I don't know why you compare him with those two:confused: I know our NT with those two sharing floor together would equal to very creative basketball , it's clear that you are hater , but I would like to have our national team in full strength so they can prove wrong doubters such as you once again :rolleyes:

So anyone who is not spitting with euphoria about how glorious current Serbian roster is, is a hater now? :rolleyes: To me Spain is a better team as of now. Very simple thing. BTW, when the last time Serbia beat Spain in the knock out stage? I can only remind you recent history of Eurobasket:
2009- Spain Gold
2011- Spain Gold
2013 - France gold (France beats Spain in semis in the over time)
2015 - Spain Gold

The last time Serbia won EB was 2001 and since than only one appearance in the final (2009) where the same Spain trashed and abused Serbia.

In Olympics again Spain competed with almighty USA while Serbia was simply swept by Americans.

I am sorry for my logic says Spain has better team at the moment...:)

CoachZ
06-20-2017, 10:45 PM
So anyone who is not spitting with euphoria about how glorious current Serbian roster is, is a hater now? :rolleyes: To me Spain is a better team as of now. Very simple thing. BTW, when the last time Serbia beat Spain in the knock out stage? I can only remind you recent history of Eurobasket:
2009- Spain Gold
2011- Spain Gold
2013 - France gold (France beats Spain in semis in the over time)
2015 - Spain Gold

The last time Serbia won EB was 2001 and since than only one appearance in the final (2009) where the same Spain trashed and abused Serbia.

In Olympics again Spain competed with almighty USA while Serbia was simply swept by Americans.

I am sorry for my logic says Spain has better team at the moment...:)

If you are going that far back and talking about 2009 teams etc, which basically there are 2-3 player on that are still here. You can also mention the 2010 team that beat the same Spanish monster.

Regarding the other things Srle said, I disagree with him about you being a hater. I do think though that you are wrong and are overestimating Spain. It is always like that with superteams as they get older, people think more of them then they should. I will give you an example of Serbia since 1995. In 1995 that team was in it's prime but was a bit rusty, since they haven't played together since 1991. They would've dominated much easier but they needed more time. In 1996 that team was at it's peak and it would go on downhill from there pretty much. 1997 was won on the pure willpower of Djordjevic in a very, very sloppy Eurobasket and core was already getting older. 1998 was won on the emergence of Bodiroga as the best player in Europe and a dominant performance of Rebraca on defense but play of Djordjevic, Danilovic, Savic and others was declining. All of that was evident in 1999 Eurobasket which was the swansong of that generation with a bronze medal and then 2000 Olympics fiasco. The reboot then was done with a younger team that Pesic created for 2001-2002 before internal disputes stopped the dominance of that generation.

This is how I see Spain. The peak of that Spanish team was for me in the 2012 Olympics and now the Golden Generation is on it's downturn. They did win after that in 2015 but the performances were uneven in the last 4-5 years and in general they just got hot last Eurobasket. They are bound to go down and I think it's time.

usagre
06-20-2017, 10:55 PM
I think we are just expecting Pau Gasol to continue his dominance of Eurobasket but if you watched him play this past season he is not the same player anymore. I understand 2015 was just two years ago but he was coming off a monster NBA season that year.

I think 2014 Spain despite it's failure was the most talented European team of all time. I think that was their peak but in a one and done scenario we've seen great teams falter. I look at a bigger sample at how they dominated good teams in the preliminaries as a better indicator of how strong that team really was. With the home court that year that was the only USA opponent as a USA fan I actually went into a possible game thinking a loss was very possible.

Straight forward
06-20-2017, 11:16 PM
Well Pau won't dominate forever, but everyone expected him to decline in 2015 already, but he had maybe most dominant tournament of the career, dropped 40/11/3 game against France with one of the best defensive bigs in the world Gobert. As I see things, Pau only slightly declined, he had less touches, lesser role, but he still is a very good player (FG% and 3% only increased and rebounding ratio is solid, just his minutes reduced). If it wasn't Spurs, he could go for more or less his usual numbers, IMO. I still expect him to be the best EB player in the knock out stage, unless Jokic (which I don't think happens in FIBA ball, I rather see Marc Gasol's FIBA career for him), Giannis (barely will be able to be as dominant as in NBA) or Porzingis (his team after all is not particularly a powerhouse anyway) would prevail big time. We all speculate here, but I don't think Spain will decline that fast. I mean Lull is Euroleague's MVP, people forget how good is Rodriguez who is only 31yo and can rock at FIBA ball, than Rubio is kinda peaking and he can bring things for Spain, such reserves as Hernangomez bros and Abrines will bring fresh energy for them. Serbia surely improved and they might win it all this year, but as of now, to me the safer call is Spain. I don't know who can be as dominant as Pau in the knock out stage of FIBA ball as of yet. Simply no-one. When I will witness he's obviously declined, that will be new era of Euro FIBA BB.

Srle
06-21-2017, 12:31 AM
So anyone who is not spitting with euphoria about how glorious current Serbian roster is, is a hater now? :rolleyes: To me Spain is a better team as of now. Very simple thing. BTW, when the last time Serbia beat Spain in the knock out stage? I can only remind you recent history of Eurobasket:
2009- Spain Gold
2011- Spain Gold
2013 - France gold (France beats Spain in semis in the over time)
2015 - Spain Gold

The last time Serbia won EB was 2001 and since than only one appearance in the final (2009) where the same Spain trashed and abused Serbia.

In Olympics again Spain competed with almighty USA while Serbia was simply swept by Americans.

I am sorry for my logic says Spain has better team at the moment...:)
AT the last two biggest world nt basketball competitions, this Serbian team was both time 2nd place right behind USA, that's like gold medal for the rest of the world , there is no shame being swept by USA squad which is made of who is who in the NBA league , USA also had a leverage to meet us in the group at the Olympics so there was no factor of surprise in the finals, they prepare for that game very well . Not to mention that we were missing very important player last summer. At the end Spain lost to USA, team USA was never in danger , and if they played team USA in the final , result would have been same like against Serbia Also we have played closer game against USA in the group than any team in Rio against USA squad. Spain is not any better than us last two years, last time we were playing them, we won comfortably , also it's sad that they have to use naturalize players like Mirotic or Ibaka, at least we will never stoop that low, in 2014 we have played with the bunch of players who's highest level of competition was Adriatic League. Your comments are just sad and you come across like a very sour person, but hey what can one expect from the fan base which is our arch rival in basketball:D

G&B
06-21-2017, 06:28 AM
AT the last two biggest world nt basketball competitions, this Serbian team was both time 2nd place right behind USA, that's like gold medal for the rest of the world , there is no shame being swept by USA squad which is made of who is who in the NBA league , USA also had a leverage to meet us in the group at the Olympics so there was no factor of surprise in the finals, they prepare for that game very well . Not to mention that we were missing very important player last summer. At the end Spain lost to USA, team USA was never in danger , and if they played team USA in the final , result would have been same like against Serbia Also we have played closer game against USA in the group than any team in Rio against USA squad. Spain is not any better than us last two years, last time we were playing them, we won comfortably , also it's sad that they have to use naturalize players like Mirotic or Ibaka, at least we will never stoop that low, in 2014 we have played with the bunch of players who's highest level of competition was Adriatic League. Your comments are just sad and you come across like a very sour person, but hey what can one expect from the fan base which is our arch rival in basketball:D



As much wants, can respect the Serbian team, but when his fans become inadequate, it's funny.
How many Spanish and Serbian European champions and former finals have wins in the last 10 years? If the World Championship would mean silver for Europe, Serbia would be the gold medalist of the European Championships or at least silver medalist, but that's not the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroBasket

R1ou
06-21-2017, 11:23 AM
Gortat out, big loss for Poland.

Italian Pride
06-21-2017, 02:36 PM
Gentile out