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Joško Poljak Fan
06-10-2007, 10:29 AM
this thread is needed, otherwise the one in euro-discussion forum, will get spammed with slovenian NT discussion constantly ;)

first friendly:
Selekcija Primorske - Slovenija U20 74 : 86
Slovenija: Perko 2, Preldžić 4, Krišto 10, Ja. Močnik 6, Klobučar 21, Mlakar 5, Horvat, K. Lorbek 2, Koštomaj 4, Krušič 6, Grušovnik 2, Brčina, Globovnik, Ptičak 3, Vidmar 19.

don't really know how good was that selection, but the team just finished physical preparations, so the result is practically useless.

I don't understand what is between Alilovič and Peter Marčič (Zaragoza, LEB), Peter deserves a place in U20 by opinion of everyone I've asked in the past weeks and yet while Alilovič called up Krišto, he forgot about Marčič again.

elaj
06-10-2007, 10:38 AM
Peter Marčič (188cm, 1988) is a point guard and on point guard I think there is a lot of competition going on with Perko, Močnik and Koštomaj fighting for the starting point guard.

Second they will play with Quatar and Finland selections on Tuesday and Wednesday in Kranjska Gora (Slovenia) after this they are going to this tournament in Italy and then to FYROM also to some U20 friendly tournament.




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Here is the schedule (GMT +1) :

JUNE 15
6 p.m RUSSIA - SLOVENIA
9 p.m ITALY – ALL AMERICA

JUNE 16
6 p.m ALL AMERICA- RUSSIA
9 p.m ITALY – SLOVENIA

JUNE 17
6 p.m SLOVENIA – ALL AMERICA
9 p.m ITALY - RUSSIA

Joško Poljak Fan
06-10-2007, 10:49 AM
Peter Marčič (188cm, 1988) is a point guard and on point guard I think there is a lot of competition going on with Perko, Močnik and Koštomaj fighting for the starting point guard.
I know... but Perko wasn't all that good with Triglav I personally doubt he'll make some good pro-career, Močnik is the same type, small&fast those kind of PG's are rather unussuall for slovenian bball (there are Močnik, Savič or Čmer and neither seems to be having much succes) and now we've got two of them on PG?- just a thought.
Besides Koštomaj, Mlakar could step up for a few minutes on PG as well so I know PG spot is filled, but some people are higher on Marčič, than PG's Alilovič selected (with exception of Koštomaj).


and in that article you can clearly see what hyping a player means :D everybody are talking about Preldžič and noone ever heard the name Vidmar

elaj
06-10-2007, 11:05 AM
and in that article you can clearly see what hyping a player means :D everybody are talking about Preldžič and noone ever heard the name Vidmar
So true... from what I have seen this year from both of them I can easily say Vidmar has clearly more tools to be successfull player in the future. I think he will be one of the most dominant players of EC U20 this year. I just hope he won't do any stupid mistakes as leaving Slovan for some Italian or Spanish team which will loan him or put him in the second team. In my opinion he should stay at least one more year in Slovan in order to play Adriatic League and develop consistency on such level. After that the next step should be an Euroleague team which can guareente him decent playing time.

Joško Poljak Fan
06-12-2007, 10:54 PM
lost the game vs. Qatar senior team

Slovenia U20 - Qatar 86:93 (24:15, 21:23, 19:27, 22:28)

Perko 4, Preldžić 17, Krišto 5, Močnik 5, Klobučar 19, Mlakar 19, Koštomaj, Krušič 1, Grušovnik 1, Brčina, Ptičak, Vidmar 15, Markič

Vidmar fouled out in 25th minutes which enabled Qatar to get 11 offensive rebounds (Krušič!?! what was that :rolleyes:) after that. Alilovič said he is satisfied with the game vs. physical superior players and progress is seen compared to the first friendly game.

Joško Poljak Fan
06-14-2007, 09:57 AM
Slovenia U20 - Finnland U20 101:67 (27:19, 19:22, 27:8, 28:18)

Klobučar 24, Preldžić 20, Vidmar 11, Močnik 9, Mlakar 8, Koštomaj 7, Grušovnik 6, Brčina 6, Perko 3, Krišto 3, Krušič 2, Ptičak 2

They're now traveling to Domegge di Cadore in Italy, where they'll face russian and italian U20, and some selection from US (judging from federation website)

elaj
06-15-2007, 10:35 PM
Slovenia U20 : Russia U20 - 77:85

Slovenia U20: Preldžić 5, Ja. Močnik 13, Klobučar 25, Mlakar 15, Koštomaj 2, Vidmar 17.

It's still three weeks untill the EC, no need to panic. Slovenia U20 played without ill Klemen Lorbek and injured Dejan Čigoja. Emir Preldžić still isn't in normal shape after the injury.

Today they are playing vs. USA selection, and on Sunday vs. Italy U20. After this tournament in Italy they will attend another one in FYROM where they will face FYROM U20, Bulgaria U20 and Montenegro U20 national teams.

There is still more than enough time to prepare for the EC.

Joško Poljak Fan
06-15-2007, 10:48 PM
no needed for panic at all. afterall it's Russia U20 we're talking about.

anyway eventhough there are only preparation games so far, I kind of expected some bigger contribution from the bench especially by guys like Koštomaj, Krušič... I really thought bench shouldn't be the problem this year, hopefully it won't end up that way.

jwfish6
06-16-2007, 04:36 AM
Hey guys,

Im coming this year to the u20 EC's and was wondering if anyone has any advice. It will be my first time ever in Europe and I am pretty excited about the event.

How close are Nova Gorica and Goriza?

Are they easily accesible?

What are the details on getting tickets?

Anything else would be highly appreciated!

elaj
06-16-2007, 07:24 AM
Hey guys,

Im coming this year to the u20 EC's and was wondering if anyone has any advice. It will be my first time ever in Europe and I am pretty excited about the event.

How close are Nova Gorica and Goriza?

Are they easily accesible?

What are the details on getting tickets?

Anything else would be highly appreciated!

First of all, you are probably somekind of related to some press, so I advice you to get the press accreditation here (http://www.kzs-zveza.si/kzs/index.php?x=28). ;)

Nova Gorica (Slovenia) is located nearby Gorizia (Italy), as you can see from this map (http://www.novagorica-turizem.com/?vie=map).

Some additional informations (http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_f43ulKJBGLcVnbH-aqLVu2.pageID_zCwY5QvGGmw2nE7os27Tk2.compID_UIfgjy QcGqk-fPlnl66Tj0.html)

Joško Poljak Fan
06-16-2007, 09:39 AM
Hey guys,

Im coming this year to the u20 EC's and was wondering if anyone has any advice. It will be my first time ever in Europe and I am pretty excited about the event.

How close are Nova Gorica and Goriza?

Are they easily accesible?
both were almost as Berlin, seperated with the wall... wall is gone now, i don't know about the border patrol regime there, when I was there noone asked anything, but I think it could be handy to have the passport along all the time since you'll probably be crossing border all the time

It used to be only Gorica untill the end of WW2, but than Gorizia was determined to stay italian without their natural background and slovenian communists decided to build a new city, eastern to the old one.


What are the details on getting tickets?

Anything else would be highly appreciated!
my guess i that slovenian U20 game tickets won't be available (they're playing in some 1100 seated arena), while the games on italian side will take place in 5000 seated arena.

jwfish6
06-16-2007, 03:47 PM
Thanks for the information. Is the Slovenian Federation pretty friendly about distributing the credentials?

Do you say that Slovenian team will play all their games in the Slovenian gym and all other games will be played in the Italian gym, or will be games just be selected at random?

How far are these 2 cities?

Joško Poljak Fan
06-16-2007, 04:07 PM
picture here (http://www.p-ng.si/~fmarusic/fdsl/slikce/gorica.jpg)
they can't be far from each other :D since it's practically the same city, west being italian and east slovenian, pink line on the map is the border...


Do you say that Slovenian team will play all their games in the Slovenian gym and all other games will be played in the Italian gym, or will be games just be selected at random?
i'd expect the opposite, since slovenian federation is the organiser...

Joško Poljak Fan
06-16-2007, 10:12 PM
Italia : Slovenia 59:55 (24:19, 14:16, 8:8, 13:12)

Preldžić 4, Krišto 5, Klobučar 14, Mlakar 12, Čigoja 2, Krušič 4, Vidmar 14.


Čigoja played after few games and Alilovič was reportedly satisfied with him on PF. He whined a bit about the referees, said that the team looked a bit tired in the offense since the morning practices are supposedly hard-core compared to their competitors.

It'll be interesting to see how this team will react to home court advantage at the championship. With all the talent, Preldžič and Čigoja (hopefully) getting in shape in time and some bench players as Koštomaj, Krišto, Krušič and Mlakar contributing this team could be one of the rare ones to actually chalenge Serbia for the gold (considering I doubt Turkey would come complete and some teams have some of their important 88' class players missing). It'll be the first time they'll face some expectations from the media here though...

Joško Poljak Fan
06-18-2007, 12:02 AM
Slovenia : US selection 92:75 (26:19, 29:13, 18:25, 19:18)

Ptičak 3, Preldžić 8, Krišto 8, Močnik 13, Klobučar 9, Mlakar 14, Markič 2, Grušovnik 2, Čigoja 11, Brčina 2, Vidmar 20.

Don't know what kind of US selection was that though.
Alilovič will shorten the list to 14 players after the result of Koštomaj's medical exam.

Pija_Olimp
06-18-2007, 06:23 PM
they can't be far from each other :D since it's practically the same city, west being italian and east slovenian, pink line on the map is the border...
Hey, don't preach nonsense. Gorizia/Gorica and Nova Gorica is not a divided town. :eek:

Joško Poljak Fan
06-18-2007, 07:16 PM
Hey, don't preach nonsense. Gorizia/Gorica and Nova Gorica is not a divided town. :eek:

both were almost as Berlin, seperated with the wall... wall is gone now, i don't know about the border patrol regime there, when I was there noone asked anything, but I think it could be handy to have the passport along all the time since you'll probably be crossing border all the time

or you might find something arguable here (I don't)

they can't be far from each other since it's practically the same city, west being italian and east slovenian, pink line on the map is the border...

If you believe the pink line on the map isn't the border, please share it with us...

:rolleyes:
anything else? maybee?

Pija_Olimp
06-18-2007, 08:12 PM
Matiz,
I know you are young, but this is not an excuse for not knowing our history. Not that long ago... counting in human years, there was a documentary made by our national TV about the post WWII situation on our west front, sorry, YU-Italian border. The border in that microlocation of Gorizia/Gorica was drawn in 1974 and yes, Italians got almost the whole town. The only part of the town which they didn't get was the train station which you can still find on the map you linked... that was a Transalpina train station built by Austrians aboutish a hundred years ago. Yugoslavia got only a few suburbian villages like Solkan and Šempeter. What I want to tell you is this: the town which we call Nova Gorica didn't exist in that time. There was only a swamp with the Gorizia's Jewish cementary there. Empty worthless land.
Thanks to our Slovene prominent or "prominent" if you prefer, post war politicians a new town started to grow in 1949. Partly because the huge area of the western Slovenia stayed without its regional administrative center (area from Bovec, from Idrija, from Podnanos to Kras), partly to show Italians that we can do it and we can do it better than they. :D The town was built by "Mladinske delovne brigade", if this means anything to you.
So Nova Gorica was built like Brasilia was or this new capital of Myanmar.

This is the reason why I state these are two separate towns and not one divided town. ;)

I'm sorry to go off topic, but somebody here needed a lesson from history. :)

Joško Poljak Fan
06-18-2007, 09:27 PM
okay, didn't know where exactly you're getting from. Divided isn't the appropriate term here, true. The town indeed wasn't divided, but Nova Gorica was created post WW2 just as you said.;)

But I guess I would surprise you with my knowledge of history, especially when it comes to WW1 and WW2 in Slovenia... but I'll leave that for some other occasion :)

Pija_Olimp
06-19-2007, 09:15 PM
I like to hear this. This knowledge is rare among our people these days, I'm afraid. ;-)

elaj
06-23-2007, 09:09 AM
Slovenia U20 : Bulgaria U20 79:63

Slovenia U20: Preldžić 12, Ja. Močnik 15, Klobučar 10, Mlakar 11, K. Lorbek 6, Čigoja 2, Krušič 10, Brčina 2, Vidmar 13.

Buducnost PG
06-24-2007, 08:08 AM
MontenegroU20-SloveniaU20 71-80 (26:17, 12:21, 20:25, 13:17)

Montenegro: Martinić 11, Su. Šehović 7, Mijović 6, Savović 4, Milatović 5, Bjelić, Kuveljić, Gajović 3, Zeković 3, Se. Šehović, Jovanović 3, Dašić 29.

Slovenia: Perko, Preldžić 14, Močnik 8, Klobučar 14, Mlakar 11, Lorbek 5, Koštomaj 6, Krušić 4, Ciglar 2, Vidmar.

elaj
06-24-2007, 08:38 AM
That's a very good result in my opinion. Coach Alilović said they played terrible in the first quarter but still they managed to tie the result after one half. In the last two quarters they controlled the game and won the game. Today they play last friendly game vs. home team of the tournament - FYROM U20.

boki
06-24-2007, 10:55 AM
It's really nice to see, that the team has a spirit to fight after bad 1st quarter. Every day I'm more optimistic about getting medal in U-20 championship. I also think Vidmar could be MVP. Allthough Illyasova (and some more) will be tough challenge.

Buducnost PG
06-24-2007, 12:14 PM
For Montenegro this was also a good result. The team is not a real 87 generation. It is a mix of 87 and 88. And wihtout Mijatovic and Kastratovic the team is playing good and had good resulst so far. They beat Macedonia one day befroe with 83-75. Today they will play against Bulgaria. And i think that Slovenia has good chances for a medal.

Joško Poljak Fan
06-24-2007, 09:10 PM
Slovenia U20 : FYROM U20 82:72 (21:24, 20:15, 15:17, 26:16)

Preldžić 7, Klobučar 10, Mlakar 9, K. Lorbek 16, Koštomaj 2, Krušič 7, Čigoja 2, Vidmar 16.

From thursday to saturday they'll play vs. Spanish, Polish and Lithuanian U20 NT.
One player will get out of NT untill monday.

elaj
06-25-2007, 10:29 PM
One player will get out of NT untill monday.
Borut Grušovnik (208cm, 1987, C) was picked as the player who won't play on the EC. The last few days before the championship another player will be removed from the squad. In my opinion Aljoša Krišto (195cm, 1987, SG/SF) or one of the playmakers will be removed.

elaj
06-28-2007, 08:43 PM
Slovenia U20 : Spain U20 84:71 (19:19, 49:39, 65:55) full stats (http://www.kzs-zveza.si/kzs/dokumenti/stat_slo_esp_cela.pdf)

Slovenia U20: Perko 0, Preldžić 13 (1:1) + 8 rebounds + 3 assists, Krišto 0, Ja. Močnik 14 (4:6) + 7 assists, Klobučar 21 (3:3) + 4 rebounds + 4 steals + 3 assists, Mlakar 6, K. Lorbek 2, Brčina 2, Koštomaj 2, Krušič 2, Čigoja 5, Vidmar 17 (1:2) + 15 rebounds

Spain U20: Lull 9, Ribas 2, Lucas 0, Sol 2, Sanchez 10, Beiran 11, Perez 0, Fernandez 13, Teurel 5, Gama 0, Rey 11, Oscar 8.

elaj
06-29-2007, 05:45 PM
Slovenia U20 squad named Jaka Klobučar (197cm, 1987) as their captain for upcoming U20 EC tournament.

Slovenia U20: Lithuania U20 84:74 (24:17, 20:27, 16:13, 24:17)

Slovenia U20: Preldžić 9, Krišto 2, Ja. Močnik 9, Klobučar 18, Mlakar 2, K. Lorbek 5, Brčina 2, Koštomaj 4, Krušič 4, Čigoja 3, Vidmar 26.

Joško Poljak Fan
06-30-2007, 05:07 PM
3rd victory on the tournament

Slovenia U20 - Poland U20 80:68 (19:17, 17:12, 18:11, 26:23)

Preldžič 16 +6reb, Močnik 14 +6assists, Vidmar 10 +12 reb, Krušič 8, Lorbek 7 +6reb, Klobučar 6, Mlakar 6, Krišto 6, Koštomaj 5; Diduszko 17, Pietras 13 +10reb, Michalsti 13, Kulik 10, Dluski 6, Jarecki 5

...faster than you, Elaj :p

elaj
07-01-2007, 12:54 PM
Final 12 players for European Championship U20 are:

Point Guards:
Tadej Koštomaj (Alpos Šentjur) - 1987; 187 cm
Jan Močnik (Nova Gorica) - 1987; 182 cm
Rok Perko (Triglav Kranj) - 1987; 178 cm

Guards:
Jaka Klobučar (Geoplin Slovan) - 1987; 198 cm
Aljoša Krišto (KK Parklji) - 1987; 195 cm
Klemen Lorbek (Union Olimpija) - 1988; 198 cm
Dejan Mlakar (Geoplin Slovan) - 1988; 192 cm

Small Forwards:
Emir Preldžić (Fenerbahce Ulker) - 1987; 204 cm

Power Forwards:
Drago Brčina (Zlatorog) - 1987; 203 cm
Dejan Čigoja (Geoplin Slovan) - 1988; 203 cm

Centers:
Matej Krušič (Alpos Šentjur) - 1987; 211 cm
Gašper Vidmar (Geoplin Slovan) - 1987; 209 cm

Headcoach: Miro Alilović (Geoplin Slovan)
Assistent coaches: Bojan Lazič (Union Olimpija) and Luka Bassin (Hrastnik)

Very strange selection. I don't want to know what happens if Emir gets injured. The last player who was called off was Olimpija's Jaka Ptičak (198, SF/PF, 1988). I expected Krišto or Lorbek to fall off the list, but I guess coach Alilović is convinced Preldžić can play alone all the games on SF. On the other hand, Klobučar can also help at SF, but his natural position is SG, while Klemen Lorbek is PG/SG trapped into SF body. Very strange because of the injury Emir had a month ago.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-06-2007, 10:02 PM
first win

Slovenia - Serbia 80-78
Klobučar 22, Vidmar 17 +15reb, Preldžič 15 +9reb, Močnik 12 +6assists; Teodošić 21 +6reb +6assists, Labović 19 +7reb, Dragović 18

I thought I'd be able to watch at least a replay... but obviously TV slovenija prefers soap operas...
The result is a bit surprising since serbian team, like it or not, posses much longer bench and some great talent even after the split with Montenegro. That's the game I was afraid of, i do admit it sounds a bit naive, but the rest of the games sould be easier if the team will give the same effort, which by the words of Vidmar was a big one. Since the points aer transfered to the next round this win might also be decisive for getting in the semi's in case Slovenia looses some games vs. Russia, Turkey or Lithuania in the next stage.

game vs. France tommorow. They're weakened due to their best 88' players playing at U19 WC, but with their talent pool I am sure they managed to put up a respectable team. strangely I haven't heard of any player on their roster, which didn't use to happen in the past.

http://img.rtvslo.si/upload/sport/zabijanje_2_show.jpg

Joško Poljak Fan
07-10-2007, 07:04 PM
Slovenia - Lithuania 96-84
Vidmar 22 +7reb in 19 minutes, Mlakar 22, Močnik 18 +10 assists, Krušič 14 +9reb, Klobučar 13; Ivanauskas 21 +5assists, Butkevicius 15 +8reb, Dylis 15, Petrukonis 10

One thing I didn't like was the defense... obviously. Luckily enough there was enough firepower to outscore Lithuanian team, thanks to Močnik- great speed, great court vision and again great speed and desire of the tiny fellow. I am really surprised about him, heard many things about him in the past, it's true that was his best performance on this championship, but I still believe he is an amazing player. It was hard to keep up with him even for some teamates...
Nice to see Krušič keeping up. People were criticising his post-up skills in the pas, but considering he is only playing bball for few years that'll improve (as it obviously is right now) he won't be a star, but with his build (unlike Rizvič or Pavič) he could become a servicable center- and these days that alone is enough to earn big bucks.
Predlžič is out of shape... too bad, since I do think with him playing the way he can this team would be out of the league.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-15-2007, 01:57 PM
5th place overall.

Before the tournament I was thinking that semi's should be our goal and with the unpredictability whatever happens there it should be considered as a good result. I though that there wouldn't be any crucial moment before that, but it turned out the last game in the group was important as well.
Having just one loss in the tournament should be considered a good achievement, if I wouldn't actually watch that game.
anyway I don't think anyone is to blame, coach (eventhough I dissagre with some of the things Alilovič did at that game), or confused ref's, or the players that tried but burned out in their desire.

positive surprises:
Krušič
It's obvious he has a lot to learn, but the fact he is only playing basketball for sth. like 3 years now makes people believe he could improve. Unlike Rizvič and Pavič that played a simmilar role in youth teams as Krušič did, he imo can put up much more weight than those two. Rumours are Helios is about to sign him.

Močnik
After that phenomenal show vs. Turkey he raised public expectations a lot, but eventhough he was terrible vs. Russia I think he can be labeled as a surprise, especially considering he was playing in II. division this year. for a strong club, but anyways.

Mlakar
He hit some important shots when it matered. He showed some signs of life with Slovan this year (especially if watching 1.A league)

something in between:
Vidmar
He should've torn apart most of U20 teams, however all the teams focused on covering him. Got a lot of cheap fouls, but considering a lot of those were arguable shot blocks I do believe he got surpressed by the refs occasionaly.

dissapointments:
Koštomaj
nowhere near the PG that played in Laško in 05/06

Lorbek
...

Preldžič&Klobučar's streaky shot


it'll be tougher next year, since only Mlakar, Lorbek and Čigoja were 88' born in this team. Muha, Tomič and Markič should be added from 88' generation, along with some 89ers as Bilič, Dragič and Vujasinovič. I can't remember any servicable big man born in 88' or 89', so I guess those guys won't exactly compete for the medals, but I think they can also be right up there with the best teams.

anyone knows what's going on with our U18?

boki
07-15-2007, 02:41 PM
What is with our 90' generation? I remember Janez Drvaric saying in one of the broadcasts, that it's very talented generation unlike 88' and 89'. Is it really?

Joško Poljak Fan
07-15-2007, 03:37 PM
The only player I've seen from 90' generation is Dino Murič. Seen him 2 years ago, but he played PF with less than 200 cm height.

I think I can say Slovenia will always have guards good enough for the top spots at junior competitions. It's just that they can only reach those top spots whenever a servicable big man appears. And since there aren't good tall guys available every generation some generations (as 88 and 89) probably won't overachieve... maybee that was Drvarič's point... since I think there are some nice guards and forwards there.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-19-2007, 11:18 AM
Didn't want to start a new thread about our U16 team, with U16 EC underway- elaj you decide if that deserves a new thread or changing the title of this one...

The championship starts on Friday.

friendlies: 3 losses

Slovenija : Češka 59:75
Strelci za Slovenijo: Štern 5, Gorjanc, Sarajlija 12, Besedič 2, Radosavljevič 2, Nikolič Smrdelj 18, Golež 2, Murič 4, Buda 5, Gavrić 7.

Slovenija : Srbija 68:86
Strelci za Slovenijo: Ferme 5, Gorjanc, Sarajlija 4, Besedič 2, Radosavljevič 2, Nikolič Smrdelj 14, Sirnik 14, Golež 2, Glavaš 5, Murič 3, Buda 9, Gavrić 8.

Slovenija : Turčija 73:81
Strelci za Slovenijo: Ferme 12, Gorjanc, Perovšek 2, Sarajlija 5, Besedič, Radosavljevič 7, Nikolič Smrdelj 16, Sirnik 13, Golež, Glavaš 2, Murič 3, Buda 12.

boki
07-19-2007, 12:55 PM
It's interesting how we allways look uncompetitive in those younger compretitions (U-16,U-17,U-18), but then at U-20 we are usualy quite succesfull. Our players obvioulsly make the biggest progress at the age 18 and 19.

DZK
07-19-2007, 10:32 PM
It's interesting how we allways look uncompetitive in those younger compretitions (U-16,U-17,U-18), but then at U-20 we are usualy quite succesfull. Our players obvioulsly make the biggest progress at the age 18 and 19.

I think main reason is rules that are used in domestic competitions for this age group...I talked to a friend who is part-time coach in one of our clubs and he said rules are total mess.

Joško Poljak Fan
08-03-2007, 05:19 PM
Croatia - Slovenia 62-72
Murič 37 +13 reb, Dragič 13 +11reb, Vranjkovič 10 +9reb; Šarlija 18+12 reb, Kruslin 12

nice surprise. After staying at A division was set as a goal I must admit I lost all hopes for any win, since I lost the overview of younger cathegories a while ago. Now it seems, unless we get a triple tie in the group Slovenia achieved their goal at the first game on the tournament already... that's nice :cool:

What's up with Muha? judging from the stats he had for Postojna I thought he'd managed a bit moer than 4 fouls in less than 10 minutes, nevermind Postojna was a horrible team.

protossdomain
08-05-2007, 01:54 AM
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elaj
06-14-2008, 11:23 AM
Slovenia U20 NT and Slovenia U16 NT candidats are known:

U20 NT candidats:

Luka Lapornik (Alpos Šentjur)
Dejan Mlakar (Geoplin Slovan)
Siniša Bilič (Geoplin Slovan)
Zoran Dragič (Geoplin Slovan)
Jakob Virk (Geoplin Slovan)
Klemen Lorbek (Hopsi Polzela)
Vujasinovič Danijel (Hopsi Polzela)
Boban Tomič (Hrastnik)
Matija Trampuš (Ilirija)
Dejan Milašinovič (Janče)
Grega Jakhel Kolarevič (Kraški zidar Sežana)
Miha Markič (Luka Koper)
Ilija Gavrič (Mario Primorac)
Klemen Muha (Postojna)
Dejan Čigoja (Rogla)
Dejan Radojević (Union Olimpija)
Edin Alispahić (Zlatorog)

Coach: Miro Alilovič (Geoplin Slovan)

Radojević (C) (Serbian) and Alispahić (C/PF) (BiH) are both naturalized players and both had problems this season with injuries, especially Alispahić who broke his knee ligament and meniscus during the season and probably won't be able to play. Radojević also had some problems with his knee, but should be able to play. Talent wise, nothing special, far from the previous generations, we are thin especially under the basket. I hope we will stay in A division of EC U20. You simply can't expect all the time great results from a country with 2M citizens. For example, this year in Riga we are in group with superpowers like Russia, Serbia and France who always have great youth selections. In my opinion we can't surprise anyone.

U16 NT candidats:

Alen Kahvedžič (Pakman Celje)
Matija Vravnik (Dravograd)
Marko Pajič (Geoplin Slovan)
Jure Besedič (Lastovka)
Luka Rupnik (Idrija)
Matic Krivic (Krka)
Urban Gorjanc (Mario Primorac)
Aljaz Korošec (Lastovka)
Matej Lužnar (Parklji)
Uros Pavlovič (Radenska Creativ)
Matej Rojc (Kos Koper)
Andrej Volk (Kos Koper)
Alen Hodžič (Kos Koper)
Jaka Brodnik (Kos Koper)
Blaz Kastelic (Triglav Kranj)
Klemen Prepelič (Zlatorog)

Coach: Dejan Mihevc (Alpos Šentjur)

Hard to say what to expect. Some of those guys are really talented, but hard to say what to expect at this level, you never know. In my opinion few of them if they'll stay on right track have the chances for great development. Due to previous bad results our NT U16 NT will play in EC U16 division B. Our opponets in Group stage will be Romania, Bulgaria, England, Cyprus and Switzerland.

Lastovka is Helios' youth team, at first clubs were seperated, but Lastovka was "bought" as Helios' farm team due to good job with talents in Domžale region.

Inspector
06-16-2008, 07:38 PM
Someone mentioned Dino Murič in one of previous discussions... Where is him?

zwbgr
06-16-2008, 07:55 PM
U18 selection maybe?

elaj
06-16-2008, 08:09 PM
Yeah, Dino Murič was in the list for testings for U18 NT... list of candidats or U18 NT will be announced soon (coach is Rade Mijanovič). In my opinion Slovenia has quite strong U18 NT this summer with players like Murič, Sirnik, Sarajlija, Vranjkovič, Zadnik, Dimec, Nikolič-Smrdelj...

elaj
06-18-2008, 08:49 AM
U18 NT candidats:

Anže Pelc (Alpos Šentjur)
Brane Lekič (Elektra Esotech)
Uroš Zadnik (Geoplin Slovan)
Mitja Nikolič-Smrdelj (Geoplin Slovan)
Luka Snoj (Janče)
Nejc Koračin (Krka)
Maj Kovačevič (Krka)
Sandi Skrbinšek (Mario Primorac)
Jure Pelko (Mario Primorac)
Marko Vranjkovič (Mario Primorac)
Jan Petrovčič (Nova Gorica)
Dino Murič (Parklji Bežigrad)
Mirza Sarajlija (Union Olimpija)
Nejc Buda (Union Olimpija)
Jaka Zagorc (Union Olimpija)
Luka Dimec (Zlatorog Laško)

Coach: Rade Mijanovič

Why the hell he didn't include Sirnik (injury?)? He's probably better shoter than half of those guys.

elaj
07-24-2008, 09:25 PM
Coach Rade Mijanovič decided to take the following U18 NT roster:

Uros Zadnik (190cm, 1990, PG) – Geoplin Slovan Ljubljana
Nejc Koračin (190cm, 1990, PG/SG) - Krka
Matic Sirnik (199cm, 1991, SF) – Union Olimpija Ljubljana
Anze Pelc (190cm, 1990, PG) – Alpos Sentjur
Dino Murič (199cm, 1990, PF/SF) – Parklji Bezigrad
Luka Snoj (200cm, 1990, SF) – Jance Ljubljana
Mitja Nikolič-Smrdelj (199cm, 1991, SF/PF) – Geoplin Slovan Ljubljana
Marko Vranjkovič (204cm, 1990, PF/C) – Maribor Primorac
Brane Lekič (206cm, 1990, C) – Elektra Esotech
Sandi Skrbinšek (205cm, 1990, C) – KŠ Mario Primorac
Luka Dimec (204cm, 1990, PF/C) – Zlatorog Laško
Mirza Sarajlija (183cm, 1991, PG/SG) – Union Olimpija Ljubljana

This team played the following friendly games before the EC:

Tournament in London:

Slovenia - Richmond College 80:56 (17:9, 22:8, 11:24, 30:15)
Slovenia: Sarajlija 10 (2:2), Vranjkovič 6 (2:2), D. Murič 14 (9:12), Zadnik 10 (0:2), Snoj 9 (4:4), Pelc 4, Pelko. Sirnik 5 (0:2), Dimec 6 (2:4), Nikolič Smrdelj 11, Skrbinšek.

Slovenia - Unicaja Malaga 95:65 (23:23, 25:10, 23:9, 24:23)
Slovenia: Sarajlija 20 (5:5), Vranjkovič 17 (4:5), D. Murič 11 (6:6), Zadnik 9 (1:2), Snoj 4, Pelko 4, Sirnik 8, Dimec 10, Nikolič Smrdelj 12 (1:1), Koračin, Skrbinšek.

Slovenia – Poland 71:89 (21:15, 13:26, 21:22, 16:26)
Slovenio: Sarajlija 16, Vranjkovič 5 (1:2), D. Murič 13 (6:8), Zadnik 7, Snoj 3 (1:1), Pelko 4 (1:2), Sirnik 9, Dimec 9 (1:4), Nikolič Smrdelj 4 (2:2), Koračin, Skrbinšek.

Slovenia - Unicaja Malaga 70:63 (14:4, 21:17, 12.14, 23:28)
Slovenia: Sarajlija 3, Vranjkovič 7 (1:2), D. Murič 14 (6:7), Zadnik 14 (7:8), Snoj 7 (1:1), Sirnik, Dimec 9 (1:2), Nikolič Smrdelj 7, Koračin, Skrbinšek, Pelc.

Preparation in Hungary:

Hungary - Slovenia 68:101 (11:29, 21:22, 21:29, 15:21)
Slovenia: Koračin 0, Sirnik 12, Pelc 16, D. Murič 13, Snoj 0, Nikolič Smrdelj 23, Vranjkovič 14, Lekič 4, Skrbinšek 0, Dimec 6, Sarajlija 13.

Hungary - Slovenia 66:98 (13:24, 15:24, 23:24, 15:26)
Slovenia: Zadnik 5, Koračin 0, Sirnik 15, Pelc 9, D. Murič 15, Snoj 2, Nikolič Smrdelj 3, Vranjkovič 19, Lekič 5, Skrbinšek 0, Dimec 9, Sarajlija 16.

Tournament in Slovenia:

Slovenia - Austria 66:47 (16:13, 19:11, 11:11, 20:12)
Slovenia: Zadnik 8, Koračin, Sirnik, Pelc, D. Murič 16, Snoj 6, Nikolič Smrdelj 4, Vranjkovič 12, Lekič 9, Skrbinšek, Dimec 4, Sarajlija 7.

Slovenia - Latvia 66:62 (19:11, 19:10, 13:17, 15:24)
Slovenia: Zadnik 10, Koračin 2, Sirnik 2, Pelc 2, D. Murič 10, Snoj 3, Nikolič Smrdelj 5, Vranjkovič 12, Lekič 4, Skrbinšek, Dimec 12, Sarajlija 6.

Slovenia - Turkey 73:76 (17:15, 24:24, 13:12, 19:25)
Slovenia: Zadnik 2, Koračin, Sirnik, Pelc 3, D. Murič 12, Snoj 2, Nikolič Smrdelj, Vranjkovič 14, Lekič 12, Skbinšek, Dimec 5, Sarajlija 22.

There was an incident which happened during last minute of Slovenia – Turkey game, few players responded on Turkish provocations and started a mass fight which ended in a way that Turkish players decided to leave the court.

I hope we get back to A division. This NT has potential.

elaj
07-26-2008, 01:49 PM
EC U18 Division B:

Slovenia - Sweden 85:63
Slovenia: Sarajlija 17pts+2rbs+3ast, Zadnik 5pts+5ast+1rbs+6TO, Pelc 5pts+2rbs+1ast, D. Murič 17pts+4rbs+3ast, Snoj 8pts+3rbs, Nikolič-Smrdelj 6pts+1rbs+2stl, Vranjkovič 11pts+9rbs+3blk, Dimec 6pts+4rbs+2ast, Sirnik 10pts+3rbs
Sweden: Person 8pts, Ronnquist 3pts, Czerapowicz 10pts+4rbs, Persson 4pts, Sjostrom 5pts+2rbs, Zeghden 11pts, Lindell 6pts, Lindqvist 6pts+5TO+5stl, Sellin 10pts+3rbs

As I expected, we trashed Sweden in our first game.

Sarajlija with a bad shooting touch - 4/9 for 2, 3/9 for 3.

elaj
07-27-2008, 06:16 PM
EC U18 Division B:

Switzerland - Slovenia 56:86
Switzerland: Kazadi 5pts+3rbs, Savoy 4pts, Fridel 4pts, Petković 9pts, Lechtman 4pts, Bovet 5pts, Remsier 15pts, Kimonawoko 5pts
Slovenia: Zadnik 9pts+6ast+2stl, Sarajlija 19pts+2rbs+2ast, Pelc 1pts, Murič 11pts+4rbs+3ast, Snoj 5pts, Nikolič-Smrdelj 4pts+4ast+2rbs, Vranjkovič 10pts+5rbs+3ast, Lekič 2pts+5rbs, Dimec 14pts+5rbs, Sirnik 11pts+5rbs+1ast+2stl

Sarajlija with 19pts (5/6 for 3) in 17 minutes... :D This team could easily play in A division...

elaj
07-28-2008, 03:39 PM
EC U18 Division B:

Slovenia - Ireland 94:42
Slovenia: Sarajlija 14pts+2rbs+3ast, Koračin 6pts+5rbs, Pelc 5pts+6rbs, Murič 13pts+2rbs+2ast, Snoj 13pts+7rbs, Nikolič-Smrdelj 7pts+8rbs, Vranjkovič 14pts+4rbs, Lekič 2pts+2rbs, Skrbinšek 2pts, Dimec 15pts+6rbs+3ast, Sirnik 2pts
Ireland: D. James 9pts, Fagan 6pts, Burns 2pts, C. James 12pts, Tummon 6pts, C. O'Sullivan 2pts, Hagan 3pts, D. O'Sullivan 2pts

What's the point? If coach would wanted, he'd play our best guys for 30 minutes each and they'd probably make +80 difference... Sarajlija played 14min, Murič 18min, Vranjkovič 20min, Dimec 22min..etc. :rolleyes:

Sarajlija 4/5 for 3 in 14min. :D

Joško Poljak Fan
07-29-2008, 02:55 PM
B division isn't really some scale for evaluation obviously, but Sarajlija is obviously playing amazing there. being 1 year younger, averaging 16.7 ppg, 2 rpg and 2.7 apg in just 19 minutes... nice...

too bad that the previous generation fall down to B division and made the whole thing that tougher fo these kids. They probably wouldn't be a medal contenders in A division, but definately they wouldn't fight in relegation.

I dare saying that if 91 generation finds a decent tall guy that can play with Sirnik, Smrdelj and Sarajlija in charge this team could fight for high places next year (if we get to A division in the first place, of course)

elaj
07-29-2008, 06:04 PM
EC U18 Division B:

Bosnia and Herzegovina - Slovenia 87:63
BiH: Gak 8pts+2rbs+3ast, Halilović 14pts+5rbs, Čamdžić 3pts+1rbs, Majstorić 38pts+2rbs+3ast, Damjanović 8pts+7rbs, Mustapić 15pts+4rbs, Klinac 1pts+1rbs
Slovenia: Sarajlija 15pts+2rbs+1ast, Murič 17pts+7rbs+3ast, Snoj 2pts+3rbs, Nikolič-Smrdelj 2pts+1rbs+3ast, Vranjkovič 10pts+5rbs+2ast, Lekič 8pts+3rbs, Dimec 9pts

Interesting. :D We lost to BiH which lost to Switzerland and Sweden which we won them more than easily. :rolleyes: They even played without their main weapon Dino Hodžić. Anyway, nothing to worry about, this loss means nothing. Guys probably underastimated the opponet due their previous results, nothing new for such inexperieced players. Maybe this loss is for the best, better now than on other day.

Majstorić had an amazing game, 10/13 for 2, 3/7 for 3, 9/10 for 1

elaj
07-31-2008, 08:30 PM
EC U18 Division B:

Austria - Slovenia 74:80
Austria: Seilem 17pts, Schaaf 11pts, Klepeisz 4pts, Lanegger 17pts+8rbs, Mahalbašić 12pts+7rbs, Vieider 3pts, Gunka 4pts, Csar 2pts, Schranz 4pts
Slovenia: Zadnik 4pts+5ast, Sarajlija 18pts+4rbs+4ast+6TO+2stl, Pelc 5pts, Murič 13pts+5rbs, Snoj 2pts, Vranjkovič 13pts+7rbs, Lekič 4pts, Dimec 16pts, Sirnik 3pts

With this win we qualified for semi-finals.

elaj
08-01-2008, 02:11 PM
EC U18 Division B:

Slovenia - Czech Republic 78:77
Slovenia: Zadnik 8pts+6rbs+3ast+3stl+6TO, Sarajlija 7pts+3rbs+4ast+3TO+1blk, Pelc 13pts+3rbs+5TO, Murič 16pts+9rbs+5ast+1blk+1stl, Snoj 8pts, Vranjkovič 10pts+5rbs+2TO+1blk, Lekič 8pts, Dimec 5pts, Sirnik 3pts
Czech Republic: Kysela 14pts, Santoransk 14pts+11rbs+4ast+6TO, Kudlacek 16pts+6ast, Krakovic 4pts, Zampach 3pts, Gniadek 9pts, Vesely 13pts+10rbs+2stl+3blk

Tight win after one overtime. Despite bad overall performance (stat wise) by Sarajlija, he scored the last layup for the win 7 seconds to go. Next, cruical game, semis.

U20 NT also starts today with their EC. Roster is announced here. (http://www.fibaeurope-u20men.com/en/default.asp?cid={3E00A2C0-841C-4CE2-A80B-9CE58276966C}&teamID=2154&compID={792A6AB7-C6A6-434B-BEA5-9BF1BC619DB4}&season=2008&roundID=6076&)

elaj
08-01-2008, 09:27 PM
EC U20 Division A:

Slovenia - France 46:91 (http://www.fibaeurope-u20men.com/en/default.asp?cid={3E00A2C0-841C-4CE2-A80B-9CE58276966C}&gameID=6076-D-2-1&compID={792A6AB7-C6A6-434B-BEA5-9BF1BC619DB4}&season=2008&roundID=6076&teamID=&)

As expected... we are going down to B this year...

Serbia - Slovenia 90:78 (http://www.fibaeurope-u20men.com/en/Default.asp?cid={3E00A2C0-841C-4CE2-A80B-9CE58276966C}&gameID=6076-D-4-2&compID={792A6AB7-C6A6-434B-BEA5-9BF1BC619DB4}&season=2008&roundID=6074&teamID=2154&)

Russia - Slovenia 77:69 (http://www.fibaeurope-u20men.com/en/Default.asp?cid={3E00A2C0-841C-4CE2-A80B-9CE58276966C}&gameID=6076-D-5-3&compID={792A6AB7-C6A6-434B-BEA5-9BF1BC619DB4}&season=2008&roundID=6074&teamID=2154&)

elaj
08-03-2008, 12:20 PM
EC U18 Division B:

Semifinals:
Slovenia - Slovakia 81:53 (http://www.fibaeurope-u18men.com/enDivB/default.asp?cid={E7BA731A-A812-4C5C-9C62-E987CBB10B2B}&pageID={BDA2D1DE-CE6D-4246-8315-19ABFD70CBBC}&compID={2248A846-FA78-40FF-B03C-54B460890F45}&season=2008&roundID=6073&teamID=2154&gameID=6129-69-A-1&)

With this win we are back in A division.

Finals:
Slovenia - Czech Republic 68:60 (http://www.fibaeurope-u18men.com/enDivB/default.asp?cid={E7BA731A-A812-4C5C-9C62-E987CBB10B2B}&pageID={BDA2D1DE-CE6D-4246-8315-19ABFD70CBBC}&compID={2248A846-FA78-40FF-B03C-54B460890F45}&season=2008&roundID=6073&teamID=2154&gameID=6136-78-A-1&)

Yey. As expected.

elaj
08-05-2008, 03:30 PM
EC U20 Division A:

Classification Round:
Greece - Slovenia 70:77 (http://www.fibaeurope-u20men.com/en/default.asp?cid={3E00A2C0-841C-4CE2-A80B-9CE58276966C}&gameID=6078-G-1-1&compID={792A6AB7-C6A6-434B-BEA5-9BF1BC619DB4}&season=2008&roundID=6074&teamID=2154&)

Wow, we won a game. :D

elaj
08-07-2008, 02:00 PM
EC U20 Division A:

Classification Round:
Slovenia - Georgia 91:82 after OT (http://www.fibaeurope-u20men.com/en/default.asp?cid={3E00A2C0-841C-4CE2-A80B-9CE58276966C}&gameID=6078-G-4-2&compID={792A6AB7-C6A6-434B-BEA5-9BF1BC619DB4}&season=2008&roundID=6078&teamID=&)

Hats off to coach Alilović and his team for staying in division A. I didn't expect that.

Joško Poljak Fan
08-07-2008, 02:59 PM
thank god. i was afraid that just now when our U18 team qualified back to A division, our U20 team would spoil it off and get relegated :o

Our youth basketball seems to be going downwards though, since qualifications for reegation were ussualy not the option there... quite the oposite, even the lamest generations ussualy managed to sneak through the first stage somehow.. and now... nothing from that.
For this U20 generation Dragič, Muha (i mean... he is able to score more in Slovenian first division than at U20?!?), Bilič, Vujasinovič and maybee Virk and Trampuš = half of the team being 89' born can give us some hope about the next year's championship.

Now we can hope about our U16 NT qualifying back to A division and after that, even if they succed our basketball federation should still think about it once more about how come this is happening to us...

elaj
08-07-2008, 05:02 PM
thank god. i was afraid that just now when our U18 team qualified back to A division, our U20 team would spoil it off and get relegated :o
Well, they can still drop to B, if we lose to Bulgaria by -24 and Greece beats Georgia. :rolleyes: But I don't see that happening.

As for our U20 NT... I see not special talent, average or below average youngsters... I hope I'm wrong and there will be some "late bloomer".


Now we can hope about our U16 NT qualifying back to A division and after that, even if they succed our basketball federation should still think about it once more about how come this is happening to us...
"Bad generations" always happen when you have a country with population of only 2 million.

Joško Poljak Fan
08-07-2008, 05:48 PM
well, might be... but the bball publicity is still used of better results and if U20 would get relegated, with the U18 and U16 managing the same the year before, it can't be just a matter of bad generation... but more of bad generations.
the truth is that compared to 10 years ago there are half less local small clubs working seriously with the youth.

I haven't paid as much attention to younger cathegories lately as I used to, but 've seen Z. Dragič and Bilič few years back... as well as Tomič already in his primary school days... I think that with some proper playing time and some trust by their coach they might develope into some servicable players. As you said not some extra talent (although imo both Dragič and Tomič have the potential for that, or at least had one at certain point of their careers, especialy Tomič) but servicable guys that can play euroleague... i mean D. Lorbek got to play for NT and I'd curse my brain out that will never happen with his level of talent 4-5 years ago... let's just wait for some more surprises :p

Alyosha12
08-07-2008, 09:13 PM
Aside from a lot of small clubs not working well with young talent as you said JPF, another big problem i see is the pusification of our youth leagues, no more full court press no more zone etc.

Those were the strongest points of our youth teams, our young players who played in our youth leagues learned from a very young age to play hard strong aggressive defense and also how to break that defense, that is the reason even weak generation always made it pass the first stages.

But now that strong aggressive D is forbidden in our leagues our players depend on super talented players of which not many have emerged since the rule changes took place.

Our players were always very fundamentally sound with good D, but now that our youth leagues are pussyfied they don't need to be anymore, hence no more success on the international level.

Joško Poljak Fan
08-07-2008, 10:45 PM
yeah... but on the other hands you could see even teams in freaking ŠKL with some too enthusiastic coach playing freaking full court zone press for 30 minutes with half of the players barely reaching the age of 13 :D
I know many guys had a lot to say about this in the past, I laughed untill I went to see a friend of mine that was some 3rd grade referee back than... he warned me before the game and than I realised he was telling the truth and Herksel was the biggest role model for some relatively uncapable coaches that considered Obradović a pussy when running a team is in question :D

I don't like those rules neither, but to be honest that happens when you've got imbecils with no psychological knowledge and only starting to learn about being a basketball coach dealing with 13, 14 years old kids practicing bball... and the only thing that matters is a result. At that age? the most stupid thing possible, yeah... but tell that to the guys above demanding results from them... and than we go in circles... as if I could care less with the fact Olimpija keeps winning those "junior" titles and yet fails to produce any noticable player from those victorious youth selections.

As far as I am concerned our basketball is filled with too many imbecils with low social inteligence... and along that... bad karma all over the place...

Alyosha12
08-08-2008, 05:17 PM
yeah... but on the other hands you could see even teams in freaking ŠKL with some too enthusiastic coach playing freaking full court zone press for 30 minutes with half of the players barely reaching the age of 13 :D
I know many guys had a lot to say about this in the past, I laughed untill I went to see a friend of mine that was some 3rd grade referee back than... he warned me before the game and than I realised he was telling the truth and Herksel was the biggest role model for some relatively uncapable coaches that considered Obradović a pussy when running a team is in question :D

I don't like those rules neither, but to be honest that happens when you've got imbecils with no psychological knowledge and only starting to learn about being a basketball coach dealing with 13, 14 years old kids practicing bball... and the only thing that matters is a result. At that age? the most stupid thing possible, yeah... but tell that to the guys above demanding results from them... and than we go in circles... as if I could care less with the fact Olimpija keeps winning those "junior" titles and yet fails to produce any noticable player from those victorious youth selections.

As far as I am concerned our basketball is filled with too many imbecils with low social inteligence... and along that... bad karma all over the place...


Oh yeah i agree with you, playing full court press the whole game, is a no talent no clue coaches tactic to play and win.

And yeah its sad that coaches who work with young kids need to produce results instead of talented players.

However with the old system at least players learned some tactics and as a by product gained better fundamentals.

Now they just get exercise and run up and down.

Ofcourse the optimal solution would be that we get some real coaches to work with young players and develop their talent instead of some young guys who are mostly under 25 working with kids.
Its sad that being a kids coach pays next to nothing, it should be paid well so the good coaches would be interested in staying with the youth teams and develop talent.
As things are young coaches only care about wining and progressing to older players until they get an offer to be an assistent coach with a first team and then become coach, no one wants to stay a coach and just develop players.

Well some coaches still do but they are few.

elaj
08-09-2008, 01:43 PM
EC U20 Division A:
Bulgaria: Slovenia 80:78
Slovenia: Trampuš, Virk 1, Tomič 19, Lapornik 12, Mulalič 18, Vujasinovič, Gavrič 6, Bilič, Muha, Dragič 9, Čigoja 7, Alispahić 6.
Bulgaria: Istilyanov, Vasilev, Kolev 5, Ivanov 15, Kostov 14, Iliev, Marinov 6, Lilov 33, Hristov 3, Mihaylov, Vaklinov, Tsetkov 4.

A loss for the end, but still we stay in A division.

Joško Poljak Fan
08-16-2008, 08:50 AM
U16 B division
England - Slovenia 46-87
link (http://www.fibaeurope-u16men.com/enDivB/default.asp?cid={4928AAE3-648D-4236-8962-7213309309EC}&pageID={783ED8F9-8DE4-416C-AD31-AE326C48A984}&compID={89EB60F8-7F8F-4FFB-9427-6103055F3511}&season=2008&roundID=6102&teamID=&gameID=6102-C-3-1&)

did you pay attention to any of these players Elaj?
Only one I've seen was Rupnik, but even him at some streetball tournaments...

edit: f@%&k.... guess where I'll be accidentaly going for the whole next week :D... Sarajevo... I'm done... :p

elaj
08-16-2008, 09:45 AM
U16 B division
England - Slovenia 46-87
link (http://www.fibaeurope-u16men.com/enDivB/default.asp?cid={4928AAE3-648D-4236-8962-7213309309EC}&pageID={783ED8F9-8DE4-416C-AD31-AE326C48A984}&compID={89EB60F8-7F8F-4FFB-9427-6103055F3511}&season=2008&roundID=6102&teamID=&gameID=6102-C-3-1&)

did you pay attention to any of these players Elaj?
Only one I've seen was Rupnik, but even him at some streetball tournaments...

edit: f@%&k.... guess where I'll be accidentaly going for the whole next week :D... Sarajevo... I'm done... :pI know just few of them (Rupnik, Korošec), but I'm hoping to see more of those games during this season... people say that this generation is quite talented.

Sarajevo... nice. :D

elaj
08-16-2008, 01:22 PM
EC U16 B Division:
Slovenia - Switzerland 78:74 (http://www.fibaeurope-u16men.com/enDivB/default.asp?cid={4928AAE3-648D-4236-8962-7213309309EC}&pageID={783ED8F9-8DE4-416C-AD31-AE326C48A984}&compID={89EB60F8-7F8F-4FFB-9427-6103055F3511}&season=2008&roundID=6102&teamID=&gameID=6102-C-5-2&)

Lužnar with 25pts, 9/12 for 2, 1/1 for 3, 7rbs, 2ast, 3stl

EC U16 B Division:
Slovenia - Romania 91-64 (http://www.fibaeurope-u16men.com/enDivB/default.asp?cid={4928AAE3-648D-4236-8962-7213309309EC}&pageID={783ED8F9-8DE4-416C-AD31-AE326C48A984}&compID={89EB60F8-7F8F-4FFB-9427-6103055F3511}&season=2008&roundID=6102&teamID=&gameID=6102-C-7-3&)

EC U16 B Division:
Bulgaria - Slovenia 70:79 (http://www.fibaeurope-u16men.com/enDivB/default.asp?cid={4928AAE3-648D-4236-8962-7213309309EC}&pageID={783ED8F9-8DE4-416C-AD31-AE326C48A984}&compID={89EB60F8-7F8F-4FFB-9427-6103055F3511}&season=2008&roundID=6102&teamID=&gameID=6102-C-11-4&)

EC U16 B Division:
Slovenia - Cyprus 76:57 (http://www.fibaeurope-u16men.com/enDivB/default.asp?cid={4928AAE3-648D-4236-8962-7213309309EC}&pageID={783ED8F9-8DE4-416C-AD31-AE326C48A984}&compID={89EB60F8-7F8F-4FFB-9427-6103055F3511}&season=2008&roundID=6102&teamID=&gameID=6102-C-15-5&)

AlbionGate
04-28-2009, 05:53 PM
Two young slovenians may join Euroleague teams next year.

U16 national team center Ubran Gorjanc (213 1992) in talk with Fenerbahçe

U18 national team forward Marko Vranjkovic (203 1990) on tryout with Partizan