(Originally posted by Matiz, 01-02-2004, 06:03 AM)
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Matiz
01-02-2004, 06:03 AM
You probably all noticed till now that I'm obsessed with rankings sooo- I made a list of the best euro leagues. Rankings were made on the basis of the last 3-4 years.
I know most of you won't agree with many things I wrote down here. Any comments are welcome...
1. ACB Spain
There is no doubt about that as far as I am concerned. They have good marketing, tv-ratings, and most of european stars want to play in acb. Euroleague champion Barcelona, Uleb champion Valencia, powerhouses like Tau, Real, Unicaja... acb is the most competitive league in Europe. no.1
2. LEGA Italy
They lost some of the attraction with Kinder falling apart, but they still have Benneton which is almost every season fighting for championships at f4, Siena, Skipper. Imo with old Kinder they would be very near to Spanish league.
3. HEBA Greece
This year Greek clubs are not playing the way I expected in euroleague, I think this is just a bad period for them, so overall Greek league is third in europe. Panathinaikos, Olympiakos, Aek, Paok...
4. (ABA: ex-Yugo)
Many says that ABA should not be valuated as a league, because aba is not a national championship so this 4th place could be considered as an option. On the other hand this league was the best one in Europe untill 90's. ABA is somewhere in the middle between the great 3 and next folowing leagues (France, Russia,
Turkey). Nesxt year league will be even stronger with newcomer Partizan. Better clubs: Cibona, Olimpija, Crvena Zvezda, Krka (arguably ) Reflex...
5. France
Imo opinion french league is overrated. Asvel and Pau-Ortez were always in the lower middle of the euroleague and the teams participating in Uleb-cup present no bigger threat (Gravelines, Cholet, Le Mans). French NT strenght doesn't have much in common with french league... The sad thing (for bball) is... they are no.5
6. Serbia
League that is mostly underrated, because it is unknown to most people. Some teams are missing in the first part of the league (ABA) which is the reason I've putted Serbian league after French (I'm still in doubt...). Serbian league produces lots of talents every year, with financial injection- when teams could sign a long tem contracts, league would come near to the Big Three...
7. Russia
The difference (in every aspect)between the leading club(CSKA) and the others from the bottom are enormous. Financialy they are not solid, every year masses of players are returning from Russia in the middle of the season (this year: Mujezinovic, Udrih, Spahija...). One big club (CSKA) can't be the reason the league is considered great...
8. Turkey
I actually don't know much about that one. I will be glad to hear anything you know...
8. Germany
Another overrated league. Hello!? Alba, for last few years, is weaker than most of the teams from Italy and Spain that are playing in uleb-cup. With one season surprise Frankfurt Skyliners, they didn't impress me a bit. The league is tied and very exciting-nice to watch but just doesn't have the quality imo...
9. Slovenia
Lack of depth is why I've putted Slo league behind German. Union Olimpija is surprising every season with so-called crap anonimous team, Krka last year lost in Uleb-finals after defeating "half of acb" (this year they are defeating themselves ), Lasko managed to play an euroleague season few years back... other clubs are not mentionable(maybee Slovan talentwise- produced: Stepania, Skita, Lakovic, Maravic, Slokar, Samake, Nesterovic)
10.Lithuania
Most of you guys know much more than I do, so if I'll write too much about Lithuanian league It'll most likely sound stupid... Anyway, Zalgiris is this year dangerous as result of Sabonis's comeback, Lietuvos Rytas is playing constantly good in Uleb cup. Other teams are not at this level. I think (more of a question than a statement)that money is the biggest problem in Lithuania- same as in ex-Yuga; and that is the reason the league is not as succesfull.
11.Croatia
Croatian clubs are facing the same problems like Serbian and Slovenian league: money. So for now they serve as talent production for bigger clubs. Cibona could surprise this year in euroleague, Zadar won last years Aba, while Split has imo one of the most talented teams in the world (Kedzo, Ukic, Pasalic, Orsulic, Kastropil...).
12.Israel
13.Poland
01-02-2004, 06:03 AM
You probably all noticed till now that I'm obsessed with rankings sooo- I made a list of the best euro leagues. Rankings were made on the basis of the last 3-4 years.
I know most of you won't agree with many things I wrote down here. Any comments are welcome...
1. ACB Spain
There is no doubt about that as far as I am concerned. They have good marketing, tv-ratings, and most of european stars want to play in acb. Euroleague champion Barcelona, Uleb champion Valencia, powerhouses like Tau, Real, Unicaja... acb is the most competitive league in Europe. no.1
2. LEGA Italy
They lost some of the attraction with Kinder falling apart, but they still have Benneton which is almost every season fighting for championships at f4, Siena, Skipper. Imo with old Kinder they would be very near to Spanish league.
3. HEBA Greece
This year Greek clubs are not playing the way I expected in euroleague, I think this is just a bad period for them, so overall Greek league is third in europe. Panathinaikos, Olympiakos, Aek, Paok...
4. (ABA: ex-Yugo)
Many says that ABA should not be valuated as a league, because aba is not a national championship so this 4th place could be considered as an option. On the other hand this league was the best one in Europe untill 90's. ABA is somewhere in the middle between the great 3 and next folowing leagues (France, Russia,
Turkey). Nesxt year league will be even stronger with newcomer Partizan. Better clubs: Cibona, Olimpija, Crvena Zvezda, Krka (arguably ) Reflex...
5. France
Imo opinion french league is overrated. Asvel and Pau-Ortez were always in the lower middle of the euroleague and the teams participating in Uleb-cup present no bigger threat (Gravelines, Cholet, Le Mans). French NT strenght doesn't have much in common with french league... The sad thing (for bball) is... they are no.5
6. Serbia
League that is mostly underrated, because it is unknown to most people. Some teams are missing in the first part of the league (ABA) which is the reason I've putted Serbian league after French (I'm still in doubt...). Serbian league produces lots of talents every year, with financial injection- when teams could sign a long tem contracts, league would come near to the Big Three...
7. Russia
The difference (in every aspect)between the leading club(CSKA) and the others from the bottom are enormous. Financialy they are not solid, every year masses of players are returning from Russia in the middle of the season (this year: Mujezinovic, Udrih, Spahija...). One big club (CSKA) can't be the reason the league is considered great...
8. Turkey
I actually don't know much about that one. I will be glad to hear anything you know...
8. Germany
Another overrated league. Hello!? Alba, for last few years, is weaker than most of the teams from Italy and Spain that are playing in uleb-cup. With one season surprise Frankfurt Skyliners, they didn't impress me a bit. The league is tied and very exciting-nice to watch but just doesn't have the quality imo...
9. Slovenia
Lack of depth is why I've putted Slo league behind German. Union Olimpija is surprising every season with so-called crap anonimous team, Krka last year lost in Uleb-finals after defeating "half of acb" (this year they are defeating themselves ), Lasko managed to play an euroleague season few years back... other clubs are not mentionable(maybee Slovan talentwise- produced: Stepania, Skita, Lakovic, Maravic, Slokar, Samake, Nesterovic)
10.Lithuania
Most of you guys know much more than I do, so if I'll write too much about Lithuanian league It'll most likely sound stupid... Anyway, Zalgiris is this year dangerous as result of Sabonis's comeback, Lietuvos Rytas is playing constantly good in Uleb cup. Other teams are not at this level. I think (more of a question than a statement)that money is the biggest problem in Lithuania- same as in ex-Yuga; and that is the reason the league is not as succesfull.
11.Croatia
Croatian clubs are facing the same problems like Serbian and Slovenian league: money. So for now they serve as talent production for bigger clubs. Cibona could surprise this year in euroleague, Zadar won last years Aba, while Split has imo one of the most talented teams in the world (Kedzo, Ukic, Pasalic, Orsulic, Kastropil...).
12.Israel
13.Poland
Zalgirinis
01-02-2004, 09:25 AM
Well, its your opinion about this league ranking and I respect it, but I dont agree (and dont want to go further in it).
I want to correct you on smth. Russia has not only one big club, but 3 big clubs or better to say 2 bigs clubs (Uniks and Perme) and one superclub (CSKA). Russian federation forbid their clubs to play in ULEB Cup, but that doesnt make Uniks and Perme weak. I think these teams would be amongst ULEB Cup's favourites and such as Uniks would likely win your beloved Serbian league...
01-02-2004, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Matiz
7. Russia
The difference (in every aspect)between the leading club(CSKA) and the others from the bottom are enormous. Financialy they are not solid, every year masses of players are returning from Russia in the middle of the season (this year: Mujezinovic, Udrih, Spahija...). One big club (CSKA) can't be the reason the league is considered great...
7. Russia
The difference (in every aspect)between the leading club(CSKA) and the others from the bottom are enormous. Financialy they are not solid, every year masses of players are returning from Russia in the middle of the season (this year: Mujezinovic, Udrih, Spahija...). One big club (CSKA) can't be the reason the league is considered great...
I want to correct you on smth. Russia has not only one big club, but 3 big clubs or better to say 2 bigs clubs (Uniks and Perme) and one superclub (CSKA). Russian federation forbid their clubs to play in ULEB Cup, but that doesnt make Uniks and Perme weak. I think these teams would be amongst ULEB Cup's favourites and such as Uniks would likely win your beloved Serbian league...
Matiz
01-02-2004, 10:00 AM
...my beloved???... ok don't push it...
01-02-2004, 10:00 AM
...my beloved???... ok don't push it...
Juan Carlos Nadal
01-03-2004, 03:49 AM
1. ACB Spain
2. LEGA Italy
I agree with you about these two.
3. HEBA Greece
Apart from the teams you mentioned, there is also Maroussi, who unfortunately plays for FIBA. I believe that if Maroussi played in the Euroleague, they could have done much better than OSFP, PAO or AEK.
4. (ABA: ex-Yugo)
I like this league. Too bad Partizan is not there too.
5. France
Boring stuff.
6. Serbia/Croatia/Slovenia
All ex-jugo leagues have deteriorated in quality due to ABA, but still they produce a hell of a lot of talent.
7. Russia
I believe that UNICS, URAL, Dinamo, and maybe Khimki are very strong clubs even for european standards. CSKA is from another planet and that's why these teams look mediocre.
8. Turkey
Efes, Ulker, and then the chaos.
8. Germany
Agreed
10.Lithuania
Agreed.
12.Israel
Booooriiing...
13.Poland
They have a couple of good teams (Slask, Prokom, Anwil). I can see their club basketball to develop quickly. Even Polonia Warbud seems to have a decent team. I'll be watching them.
01-03-2004, 03:49 AM
1. ACB Spain
2. LEGA Italy
I agree with you about these two.
3. HEBA Greece
Apart from the teams you mentioned, there is also Maroussi, who unfortunately plays for FIBA. I believe that if Maroussi played in the Euroleague, they could have done much better than OSFP, PAO or AEK.
4. (ABA: ex-Yugo)
I like this league. Too bad Partizan is not there too.
5. France
Boring stuff.
6. Serbia/Croatia/Slovenia
All ex-jugo leagues have deteriorated in quality due to ABA, but still they produce a hell of a lot of talent.
7. Russia
I believe that UNICS, URAL, Dinamo, and maybe Khimki are very strong clubs even for european standards. CSKA is from another planet and that's why these teams look mediocre.
8. Turkey
Efes, Ulker, and then the chaos.
8. Germany
Agreed
10.Lithuania
Agreed.
12.Israel
Booooriiing...
13.Poland
They have a couple of good teams (Slask, Prokom, Anwil). I can see their club basketball to develop quickly. Even Polonia Warbud seems to have a decent team. I'll be watching them.
FRANKY 13
01-06-2004, 07:47 PM
I agree with all of it except=the russian superleague should in the sixth place.but thats it...[Serbia/Croatia/Slovenia - 7th place]
01-06-2004, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by Juan Carlos Nadal
1. ACB Spain
2. LEGA Italy
I agree with you about these two.
3. HEBA Greece
Apart from the teams you mentioned, there is also Maroussi, who unfortunately plays for FIBA. I believe that if Maroussi played in the Euroleague, they could have done much better than OSFP, PAO or AEK.
4. (ABA: ex-Yugo)
I like this league. Too bad Partizan is not there too.
5. France
Boring stuff.
6. Serbia/Croatia/Slovenia
All ex-jugo leagues have deteriorated in quality due to ABA, but still they produce a hell of a lot of talent.
7. Russia
I believe that UNICS, URAL, Dinamo, and maybe Khimki are very strong clubs even for european standards. CSKA is from another planet and that's why these teams look mediocre.
8. Turkey
Efes, Ulker, and then the chaos.
9. Germany
Agreed
10.Lithuania
Agreed.
11.Israel
Booooriiing...
12.Poland
They have a couple of good teams (Slask, Prokom, Anwil). I can see their club basketball to develop quickly. Even Polonia Warbud seems to have a decent team. I'll be watching them.
1. ACB Spain
2. LEGA Italy
I agree with you about these two.
3. HEBA Greece
Apart from the teams you mentioned, there is also Maroussi, who unfortunately plays for FIBA. I believe that if Maroussi played in the Euroleague, they could have done much better than OSFP, PAO or AEK.
4. (ABA: ex-Yugo)
I like this league. Too bad Partizan is not there too.
5. France
Boring stuff.
6. Serbia/Croatia/Slovenia
All ex-jugo leagues have deteriorated in quality due to ABA, but still they produce a hell of a lot of talent.
7. Russia
I believe that UNICS, URAL, Dinamo, and maybe Khimki are very strong clubs even for european standards. CSKA is from another planet and that's why these teams look mediocre.
8. Turkey
Efes, Ulker, and then the chaos.
9. Germany
Agreed
10.Lithuania
Agreed.
11.Israel
Booooriiing...
12.Poland
They have a couple of good teams (Slask, Prokom, Anwil). I can see their club basketball to develop quickly. Even Polonia Warbud seems to have a decent team. I'll be watching them.
hagakure
01-07-2004, 07:00 AM
1. Spain
2. Italy
3. ummm...
01-07-2004, 07:00 AM
1. Spain
2. Italy
3. ummm...
BallStorm
01-12-2004, 09:39 AM
So the french championship seems to posses a lot of fans in europe
01-12-2004, 09:39 AM
Imo opinion french league is overrated. Asvel and Pau-Ortez were always in the lower middle of the euroleague and the teams participating in Uleb-cup present no bigger threat (Gravelines, Cholet, Le Mans). French NT strenght doesn't have much in common with french league... The sad thing (for bball) is... they are no.5
5. France
Boring stuff.
Boring stuff.
Matiz
01-12-2004, 11:01 AM
Don't get me wrong- I would love to see strong French league- that would be good for european basketball. At the moment it just doesn't convience me, but on the other hand it's true that I am faaar from being french league expert.
01-12-2004, 11:01 AM
So the french championship seems to posses a lot of fans in europe
FRANKY 13
01-12-2004, 11:55 AM
I agree with Matiz.I'd love to see a more competitive french league but french teams are not creating something special on the court.I must admit I m not a french league expert too,although I have seen some pretty good games.I think french teams are not weak,but...boring though.They have players with wonderful athletic skills who mostly waste their time in a run and gun basket,as if they were on an open-court,playing with friends.
I 'm not saying they have no tactic.But I believe that France hasnt got a real basketball tradition yet,so although there are many potential superstars in France[people from the former colonies are just unbelieveable and there we always be a Rigaudeau...],people in France,and I mean the great majority,isnt taking basketball seriously.Consequently,the french league hasnt got enough good players,cause the great prospects leave France too early and the foreign players are average ones...
I really think France is going to be a european superpower in the next 5 years[maximum].And i'm sure that,as more people will get interested in basketball,the french league's level will improve.
ps.This is just my opinion.no hard feelings,although I know I didnt have to be so polite
ps2=another remark about the french basketball style=Is it an impression or do ALL french teams lack a "classical" center?
01-12-2004, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Matiz
Don't get me wrong- I would love to see strong French league- that would be good for european basketball. At the moment it just doesn't convience me, but on the other hand it's true that I am faaar from being french league expert.
Don't get me wrong- I would love to see strong French league- that would be good for european basketball. At the moment it just doesn't convience me, but on the other hand it's true that I am faaar from being french league expert.
I 'm not saying they have no tactic.But I believe that France hasnt got a real basketball tradition yet,so although there are many potential superstars in France[people from the former colonies are just unbelieveable and there we always be a Rigaudeau...],people in France,and I mean the great majority,isnt taking basketball seriously.Consequently,the french league hasnt got enough good players,cause the great prospects leave France too early and the foreign players are average ones...
I really think France is going to be a european superpower in the next 5 years[maximum].And i'm sure that,as more people will get interested in basketball,the french league's level will improve.
ps.This is just my opinion.no hard feelings,although I know I didnt have to be so polite
ps2=another remark about the french basketball style=Is it an impression or do ALL french teams lack a "classical" center?
EverGreen
01-12-2004, 12:06 PM
hmm..sound a bit familiar that Gousgouni..reminds me of PAO in the last 2 years
01-12-2004, 12:06 PM
hmm..sound a bit familiar that Gousgouni..reminds me of PAO in the last 2 years
BallStorm
01-13-2004, 02:22 AM
Well...a center? what is it exactly?
You're right (again) Franky 13 . Big men with wide shoulders are rare here. there are some in the top teams , but elsewhere not much. let's look after them :
pau : mate skelin/ julian (center for the french NT )
asvel : Guylas (150 k > that's a center man )
besançon : malcom mackey (not the greatest one)
bourg :marjo bosnjak ( 1 month contract?)
chalon : mc donald (last year in the same place: udonis haslem)
gravelines : korytek (big and strong Polish)
le mans : nicevic (smart , likeable croatian player)
paris : marvin stone (perhaps more a P.forward)
reims : vignier
roanne : maktar n'diaye ( the nasty one)
they are a lot more american Playmakers here than centers. they are cheaper. and the french league is not very rich. There are not too many french big men too. the basket here is , as long as i know , far less physical than it is in greece. if a tradition exists , it's coming from the 1993 limoge's victory in the european championship : big D , and crafty plays to hide the lack of power.
01-13-2004, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by FRANKY 13
ps2=another remark about the french basketball style=Is it an impression or do ALL french teams lack a "classical" center? [/b]
ps2=another remark about the french basketball style=Is it an impression or do ALL french teams lack a "classical" center? [/b]
You're right (again) Franky 13 . Big men with wide shoulders are rare here. there are some in the top teams , but elsewhere not much. let's look after them :
pau : mate skelin/ julian (center for the french NT )
asvel : Guylas (150 k > that's a center man )
besançon : malcom mackey (not the greatest one)
bourg :marjo bosnjak ( 1 month contract?)
chalon : mc donald (last year in the same place: udonis haslem)
gravelines : korytek (big and strong Polish)
le mans : nicevic (smart , likeable croatian player)
paris : marvin stone (perhaps more a P.forward)
reims : vignier
roanne : maktar n'diaye ( the nasty one)
they are a lot more american Playmakers here than centers. they are cheaper. and the french league is not very rich. There are not too many french big men too. the basket here is , as long as i know , far less physical than it is in greece. if a tradition exists , it's coming from the 1993 limoge's victory in the european championship : big D , and crafty plays to hide the lack of power.
Matiz
01-13-2004, 02:33 AM
And he is one of most effective centers in europe.
He is in a special club called: I played for Krka in the begining of the season...
Actually whole Europe lack's of centers, with an exception of clubs like Maccabi, Cska, Barcelona ... money!
01-13-2004, 02:33 AM
asvel : Guylas (150 k > that's a center man )
bourg :marjo bosnjak ( 1 month contract?)
Actually whole Europe lack's of centers, with an exception of clubs like Maccabi, Cska, Barcelona ... money!
FRANKY 13
01-13-2004, 02:51 AM
they are a lot more american Playmakers here than centers. they are cheaper. and the french league is not very rich. There are not too many french big men too. the basket here is , as long as i know , far less physical than it is in greece. if a tradition exists , it's coming from the 1993 limoge's victory in the european championship : big D , and crafty plays to hide the lack of power.[ballstorm]
true.although about the money,can you believe that the french league is now richer than the greek one!greek teams have an average budget of about 1,5-2 mil euros.[only aris,aek and of course pao,olympiakos have a budget that exceeds 2,5 mil],while in France the average is about 3-3,5mil.
And if you wonder how the level of play is still higher in Greece,I would say[briefly ]that it is due to the reputation and the prestige the greek league has still,in spite of the crisis.And the tax system could also be a reason why the french league isnt so attractive for foreign players.Of course,i'm only speculating here..
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asvel : Guylas (150 k > that's a center man )
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And he is one of most effective centers in europe.[Matiz]
I never thought i would agree he is a good player but i must admit he is quite efficient.
Actually whole Europe lacks centers, with an exception of clubs like Maccabi, Cska, Barcelona ... money![matiz]
true,and even they lack a quality classical center.I guess only Vujicic is a real one...ps.i dont consider Femerling as being a dominant center.good player but nothing more to my mind.And dont tell me anything about Duenas
01-13-2004, 02:51 AM
they are a lot more american Playmakers here than centers. they are cheaper. and the french league is not very rich. There are not too many french big men too. the basket here is , as long as i know , far less physical than it is in greece. if a tradition exists , it's coming from the 1993 limoge's victory in the european championship : big D , and crafty plays to hide the lack of power.[ballstorm]
true.although about the money,can you believe that the french league is now richer than the greek one!greek teams have an average budget of about 1,5-2 mil euros.[only aris,aek and of course pao,olympiakos have a budget that exceeds 2,5 mil],while in France the average is about 3-3,5mil.
And if you wonder how the level of play is still higher in Greece,I would say[briefly ]that it is due to the reputation and the prestige the greek league has still,in spite of the crisis.And the tax system could also be a reason why the french league isnt so attractive for foreign players.Of course,i'm only speculating here..
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asvel : Guylas (150 k > that's a center man )
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And he is one of most effective centers in europe.[Matiz]
I never thought i would agree he is a good player but i must admit he is quite efficient.
Actually whole Europe lacks centers, with an exception of clubs like Maccabi, Cska, Barcelona ... money![matiz]
true,and even they lack a quality classical center.I guess only Vujicic is a real one...ps.i dont consider Femerling as being a dominant center.good player but nothing more to my mind.And dont tell me anything about Duenas
Matiz
01-13-2004, 03:34 AM
-Vujcic- can play pf and c
-Sabonis
-Blair
-Peker- although undersized
-Ostojic
those are the true centers at the moment in euroleague, the others are not as effective, or really undersized, but forced to play c cause nobody else can.
01-13-2004, 03:34 AM
-Vujcic- can play pf and c
-Sabonis
-Blair
-Peker- although undersized
-Ostojic
those are the true centers at the moment in euroleague, the others are not as effective, or really undersized, but forced to play c cause nobody else can.
hagakure
01-13-2004, 05:46 AM
That's true. The greek league is very physical. All american players who play here have said that.
01-13-2004, 05:46 AM
[ There are not too many french big men too. the basket here is , as long as i know , far less physical than it is in greece.. ]
BallStorm
01-13-2004, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by FRANKY 13
true.although about the money,can you believe that the french league is now richer than the greek one!greek teams have an average budget of about 1,5-2 mil euros.[only aris,aek and of course pao,olympiakos have a budget that exceeds 2,5 mil],while in France the average is about 3-3,5mil.
I don't know with precision the average budget of the french championship league. But i'm pretty sure that it's less than 3.3/3.5 million. I may be wrong , but i would that the average budget is something like 2.6-3 Millions (euros).
And if you wonder how the level of play is still higher in Greece,I would say[briefly ]that it is due to the reputation and the prestige the greek league has still,in spite of the crisis.And the tax system could also be a reason why the french league isnt so attractive for foreign players.Of course,i'm only speculating here..
the prestige stuff is interesting. Perhaps that the greek league continues effectively to be attractive due to his eminent history. that's a point i did not think about.
Concerning the french tax system , let's say that it's one of the worse in europe. Each player coming in france and perceiving a wage has systematically to pay very important taxes. There are numerous examples of player who refused to come back in france because they were asked to pay this damed taxes.
On the other hand , club's finance are checked by an independant institution and as long as i know , every player perceive the wage he has been comited
if you wonder how the level of play is still higher in Greece
you said that. i didn't. I don't have any certitude about that. you would have asked the same question a few years ago (just one , may be), i would have told you that greece was 10* better. now..? hard to say...
01-13-2004, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by FRANKY 13
true.although about the money,can you believe that the french league is now richer than the greek one!greek teams have an average budget of about 1,5-2 mil euros.[only aris,aek and of course pao,olympiakos have a budget that exceeds 2,5 mil],while in France the average is about 3-3,5mil.
I don't know with precision the average budget of the french championship league. But i'm pretty sure that it's less than 3.3/3.5 million. I may be wrong , but i would that the average budget is something like 2.6-3 Millions (euros).
And if you wonder how the level of play is still higher in Greece,I would say[briefly ]that it is due to the reputation and the prestige the greek league has still,in spite of the crisis.And the tax system could also be a reason why the french league isnt so attractive for foreign players.Of course,i'm only speculating here..
the prestige stuff is interesting. Perhaps that the greek league continues effectively to be attractive due to his eminent history. that's a point i did not think about.
Concerning the french tax system , let's say that it's one of the worse in europe. Each player coming in france and perceiving a wage has systematically to pay very important taxes. There are numerous examples of player who refused to come back in france because they were asked to pay this damed taxes.
On the other hand , club's finance are checked by an independant institution and as long as i know , every player perceive the wage he has been comited
if you wonder how the level of play is still higher in Greece
you said that. i didn't. I don't have any certitude about that. you would have asked the same question a few years ago (just one , may be), i would have told you that greece was 10* better. now..? hard to say...
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