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10-03-2006, 12:45 AM
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Qualification Games

Middle Asia

28/05 Kazakhstan 115 Sri Lanka 54
29/05 Kazakhstan 88 India 40
30/05 India 117 Sri Lanka 66
31/05 Kazakhstan 74 India 63

South East Asia

24/05 Indonesia 72 Malaysia 66
24/05 Thailand 75 Singapore 50
25/05 Philippines 122 Singapore
25/05 Malaysia 72 Thailand 67
26/05 Malaysia 87 Singapore 59
26/05 Philippines 85 Indonesia 48
27/05 Philippines 102 Malaysia 72
27/05 Indonesia 65 Thailand 55
28/05 Indonesia 89 Singapore 67
28/05 Philippines 96 Thailand 76


Preliminary Round

Group A

28/07 Jordan 78 China 65 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/1/groupname/A/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
28/07 Iran 75 Philippines 69 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/2/groupname/A/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
29/07 Philippines 79 China 74 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/3/groupname/A/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
29/07 Iran 60 Jordan 54 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/4/groupname/A/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
30/07 Iran 77 China 68 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/5/groupname/A/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
30/07 Jordan 84 Philippines 76 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/6/groupname/A/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Group B

28/07 Japan 109 UAE 66 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/1/groupname/B/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
28/07 Lebanon 104 Kuwait 59 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/2/groupname/B/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
29/07 Japan 77 Lebanon 67 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/3/groupname/B/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
29/07 UAE 69 Kuwait 68 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/4/groupname/B/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
30/07 Japan 101 Kuwait 48 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/5/groupname/B/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
30/07 Lebanon 106 UAE 64 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/6/groupname/B/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Group C

28/07 Qatar 106 India 49 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/1/groupname/C/langlc//roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
28/07 Kazakhstan 107 Indonesia 53 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/2/groupname/C/langlc//roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
29/07 Qatar 86 Indonesia 45 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/3/groupname/C/langlc//roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
29/07 Kazakhstan 97 India 74 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/4/groupname/C/langlc//roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
30/07 Qatar 76 Kazakhstan 69 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/5/groupname/C/langlc//roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
30/07 India 72 Indonesia 66 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/6/groupname/C/langlc//roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Group D

28/07 Chinese Taipei 90 Syria 66 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/1/groupname/D/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
28/07 South Korea 107 Hong Kong China 67 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/2/groupname/D/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
29/07 Hong Kong China 104 Syria 100 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/3/groupname/D/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
29/07 South Korea 85 Chinese Taipei 70 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/4/groupname/D/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
30/07 Chinese Taipei 98 Hong Kong China 81 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/5/groupname/D/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
30/07 South Korea 89 Syria 79 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/6/groupname/D/langlc/en/roundid/5806/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)


Second Round

Group E

31/07 Iran 76 Chinese Taipei 64 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/1/groupname/E/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
31/07 Lebanon 90 Qatar 68 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/2/groupname/E/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
01/08 Iran 95 Qatar 87 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/3/groupname/E/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
01/08 Lebanon 95 Chinese Taipei 64 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/4/groupname/E/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
02/08 Lebanon 82 Iran 60 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/5/groupname/E/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
02/08 Qatar 87 Chinese Taipei 74 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/6/groupname/E/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Group F

31/07 South Korea 70 Jordan 65 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/1/groupname/F/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
31/07 Kazakhstan 93 Japan 85 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/2/groupname/F/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
01/08 Jordan 82 Kazakhstan 73 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/3/groupname/F/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
01/08 South Korea 93 Japan 83 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/4/groupname/F/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
02/08 Japan 71 Jordan 68 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/5/groupname/F/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
02/08 Kazakhstan 75 South Korea 73 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/6/groupname/F/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Group G

31/07 Philippines 107 Syria 100 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/1/groupname/G/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
31/07 Kuwait 72 India 68 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/2/groupname/G/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
01/08 Philippines 104 India 69 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/3/groupname/G/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
01/08 Syria 109 Kuwait 69 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/4/groupname/G/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
02/08 Philippines 89 Kuwait 58 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/5/groupname/G/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
02/08 Syria 105 India 54 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/6/groupname/G/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Group H

31/07 China 93 Hong Kong China 69 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/1/groupname/H/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
31/07 Indonesia 83 UAE 81 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/2/groupname/H/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
01/08 China 102 Indonesia 47 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/3/groupname/H/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
01/08 Hong Kong China 87 UAE 64 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/4/groupname/H/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
02/08 China 100 UAE 55 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/5/groupname/H/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
02/08 Indonesia 81 Hong Kong China 78 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3969/gamename/6/groupname/H/langlc/en/roundid/5807/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)


Final Round

15th to 16th Place

04/08 India 82 UAE 77 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/55/langlc//roundid/5808/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

13th to 14th Place

04/08 Hong Kong China 72 Kuwait 66 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/56/langlc//roundid/5808/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

11th to 12th Place

04/08 Syria 108 Indonesia 79 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/49/langlc//roundid/5808/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

9th to 10th Place

04/08 Philippines 78 China 76 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/50/langlc//roundid/5808/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

5th to 8th Place

04/08 Chinese Taipei 85 Japan 80 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/51/langlc//roundid/5809/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
04/08 Jordan 77 Qatar 67 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/52/langlc//roundid/5809/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
05/08 Qatar 86 Japan 82 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/57/langlc//roundid/5810/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
05/08 Jordan 97 Chinese Taipei 74 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/58/langlc//roundid/5810/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

1/2 Final

04/08 Iran 75 Kazakhstan 62 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/53/langlc//roundid/5809/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
04/08 Lebanon 76 South Korea 74 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/54/langlc//roundid/5809/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

3rd to 4th Place

05/08 South Korea 80 Kazakhstan 76 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/59/langlc//roundid/5810/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Final

05/08 Iran 74 Lebanon 69 (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/60/langlc//roundid/5810/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

sinobball
01-03-2007, 06:51 PM
Thread open.

China will not send the true "National Team" but only a junior team.

The highest placed team (excluding China) directly qualifies to 2008 Beijing. The next 2 teams (excluding China) qualifies to the so-called FIBA Olympics qualifying tournament.

karim
01-03-2007, 10:57 PM
no 1 team goes to the fiba qualifying tournament .......so if lebanon gets 1st qatar 2nd and south korea 3rd......qatar will go not qatar and south korea

sinobball
01-04-2007, 01:54 AM
you are wrong.
FIBA - Olympic qualifying tournament added for 2008 Olympics

SAITAMA (FIBA World Championship) - Twelve teams from throughout the world will participate in a new men's Olympic qualifying tournament in July 2008 to secure one of the final three berths for the Beijing Summer Games.

The tournament will take place from July 7-13 2008 in a yet-to-be announced location and will follow next summer's five continental qualification campaigns, which will yield seven Olympic spots - two each from Europe and the Americas and one a piece from Africa, Asia and Oceania.

The breakdown of the 12 teams participating in the July 2008 event is as follows: Europe will have four representatives, the Americas three, two each from Africa and Asia and one from Oceania - with the best ranked remaining teams from the 2007 continental qualifiers competing.

PRSURF
01-04-2007, 02:45 AM
Sinobal thats true;)

bognut
01-05-2007, 01:53 AM
The highest placed team (excluding China) directly qualifies to 2008 Beijing. The next 2 teams (excluding China) qualifies to the so-called FIBA Olympics qualifying tournament.

so its possible (which is not probbable!) that there will be 4 asian teams in Beijing Olympics! How many will they get in the FIBA Olympic qualify tournment anyway?

PRSURF
01-05-2007, 04:20 AM
so its possible (which is not probbable!) that there will be 4 asian teams in Beijing Olympics! How many will they get in the FIBA Olympic qualify tournment anyway?
two teams

bognut
01-05-2007, 07:01 AM
two teams

nice! i think FIBA learned from the Wild Card thing in WBC! :D

usausa
01-10-2007, 08:51 PM
no 1 team goes to the fiba qualifying tournament .......so if lebanon gets 1st qatar 2nd and south korea 3rd......qatar will go not qatar and south korea
:confused: Confused.
qatatr will go , but not qatar

do u mean if lebanon wins they go, qatar and south korea wont?

karim
01-11-2007, 10:43 AM
im talking about the fiba qualifying tournament ......lebanon will go to the olympics..........and qatar will play other good ranked teams in other continents who did not qualify to the olympics to qualify for the olympics...3 teams would be picked out of these 5 i think.......but as u know the asian teams will have the least chance so its better to qualify from the asian championship or 90% it will be over for these teams

jrb0yd
01-18-2007, 01:34 PM
hey there guys... i think the schedule of fiba-asia was rescheduled much earlier... july 28-august 5 at tokushima japan... here is the link: http://www.fibaasia.net/cms/info.php?itemid=13

http://www.fiba.com/pages/en/events/calendar/calendar_page.asp?an_id=291&pn_id=178&

and as for my country philippines, it looks like the suspension will be lifted soon, so it just added another contender for this tournament... and i like the chances of our team... have a nice day!

khatib
02-25-2007, 08:52 PM
Thread open.

China will not send the true "National Team" but only a junior team.

I heard that the CBA reduced the # of games this season by 100 in order to have more time to prepare the nt for 2008, and I don't think the Chinese will risk losing a gold medal.

In addition why does east asia have 5 teams ?? Taiwan and Hong Kong rarely passes to the 2nd round ! or even Japan who finished last time on top 4 i think was 1999.

in west asia we have only 3 teams and there is a 4th team who should be in as well, lebanon,iran,jordan and syria all deserve to be in asia championship.

daniab
03-01-2007, 10:42 PM
First of all , one team will be qualified to olympics games at chine next year .Chine had qualified cause this tournament will be in chine so 1 team will qualified behind chine.Lebanon (2nd fiba asia 2005 ) it's the most team prefer to qualified but other team will not be easy to defeat him like Quatar (3th fiba asia 2005 and second at doha games ) ,Iran (6th fiba asia 2005 and 3th doha games and have a lot of good players ) , and other .So 24th FIBA-Asia Championships [Sep 1 Japan] it will be some difficult to know who will be the team qualified behind chine specially that many country prepare those team like Kazakhistan ,jordan , syria , japan , south korea ,iran,lebanon,quatar and chine .Good luck lebanon and i wish a best participating and i hope win the first position .
Dany.

Grr_tiger
03-11-2007, 02:37 PM
it will be to our advantage that all teams in Asia will take the Philippines for granted and will not consider us as contenders because "Team Pilipinas" will definitely surprise a lot of people in the FIBA Asia Championship.


i'm not one to brag, but let's just say the Philippines will have its "coming out party" in Tokushima this August.

we may or may not qualify for the Olympics this August.

we may or may not win a lot of games.

but I assure you, our team will be fighting with a lot of heart and a lot of guts and will be among the top dogs in Asia once more after the FIBA Asia tournament.


by the way, here is the illustration on how to qualify for the Olympics and the Olympic qualifiers next year:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/188/417483008_da5b9babfc.jpg

jrb0yd
04-08-2007, 02:56 PM
Thread open.

China will not send the true "National Team" but only a junior team.

The highest placed team (excluding China) directly qualifies to 2008 Beijing. The next 2 teams (excluding China) qualifies to the so-called FIBA Olympics qualifying tournament.

i just read in asia-basket.com that china would indeed send its team b to this years fiba-asia champs...

http://asia-basket.com/CHN/CHN.asp

China has named both its national team A team and its national team B team. The A team will play in various exhibition games this summer while the B team will play in the Asian Championships in Japan from July 28 through August 5.

Since China is automatically entered in the 2008 Olympics as the host nation, it has no need to win the Asian championship and can use that tournament as a tryout for younger players. Because the games for the A team are for practice rather than for national prestige, it can afford to use Ming Yao (226-C-80) and Yi Jianlian sparingly, and give all its top players opportunities to gain experience. It is especially important to give Yao sufficient rest this summer as he has suffered major injuries both last season and this season and China cannot risk that Yao will break down again in 2008.

The A team has scheduled games against NCAA competition. It will be interesting to see how the team fares against top US college teams.

There are 22 players on the A team and 16 players on the B team. It is possible that players will shift back and forth between the two teams based on performance. The A team has seven players who can play point guard while the B team has only two, Liu Xiaoyu and Luo Zhi. It is quite likely that one more point guard, and perhaps two, will be added from the A team for the Asian championship. There is also the World U19 Championship in Serbia from July 12 through July 22. Ding Jinghui, Li Xiaoxu, Zhou Peng, Liu Xiaoyu and Chen Jianghua will likely participate in that tournament.

Jiao Jian and Xie Libin did not make either team. Jiao is simply a tweener in international competition while Xie had a bad season this year after excelling the year before. Bateer has been left off either team and likely is now too slow to make the Olympic team. Ming Yao, Wang Zhizhi and Yi Jianlian are clearly superior to him at center and Tang Zhengdong, Zhang Songtao and even Mo Ke will be more effective at center in international competition.

Li Wei from Beijing Aoshen made the B team. He started ahead of A team selection Zhang Songtao for Aoshen's ABA team. He was better than Zhang in fast-paced ABA competition but Zhang may be a better fit for the national team. But Li does have an outside chance to make the Olympic team as a combo center-power forward. Zhang Jinsong, who played for the National Team in the Asian games, did not make either team but while he is listed as being born in September 1973, he is probably 35 years old or even older.



A team schedule:

May 17-21== Some games in China
Jun 14-26== Four Nation Tournament in China (Croatia, Italy, Australia)
Jul 6-15== NBA Summer League in Las Vegas
Jul 28-Aug 6== 3rd Stankovic Cup in China (Venezuela, Slovenia, New Zealand, Angola, USA-NBDL All-Stars)
Aug 15== Games in Germany
Aug 15-31== Efes World Cup in Turkey (Croatia, Latvia, Poland, Serbia)
Sep 10-22== NCAA teams in USA
Oct 1-7== CBA-NBL-Euroleague Challenge in China (Bennetton Treviso, CSKA Moscow, Sydney Kings)
Oct 17== NBA Preseason in China (Orlando Magic, possibly Cleveland Cavaliers)

A team:

Liu Wei 27 190 cm PG
Sun Yue 21 205 cm PG/SG
Wang Zhongguang 20 193 cm PG
Chen Jianghua 18 188 cm PG
Yang Ming 19 193 cm PG/SG
Li Nan 32 198 cm SG/SF
Zhang Qingpeng 22 188 cm PG
Han Shuo 18 196 cm PG
Wang Shipeng 24 198 cm SG
Huo Nan 26 198 cm SG
Du Feng 25 207 cm PF/SF
Zhu Fangyu 24 201 cm SF
Mo Ke 24 210 cm PF
Zhou Peng 17 206 cm SF
Wang Yong 21 202 cm SF
Gong Songlin 25 197 cm SF/SG
Li Xiaoxu 16 204 cm PF
Yi Jianlian 19 212 cm PF/C
Ming Yao 27 226 cm C
Wang Zhizhi 29 214 cm PF/C
Tang Zhengdong 23 213 cm C
Zhang Songtao 22 215 cm C

B team:

Zhang Kai 24 6'11+(211 cm) C
Li Wei 21 6'10(208 cm) PF/C
Gu Liye 20 6'10(208 cm) PF/C
Hu Ke 20 6'10(208 cm) C
Li Ke 25 6'9+(207 cm) PF
Yi Li 19 6'8+(204 cm) PF
Ding Jinghui 16 6'8+(204 cm) PF
Liu Xiangtao 27 6'8-(202 cm) PF
Wang Bo 25 6'8-(202 cm) SF
Wang Lei 20 6'7+(200 cm) SF
Chen Chen 20 6'5+(196 cm) SF/SG
Chen Lei 24 6'5-(195 cm) SF/SG
Yang Chao 21 6'5-(195 cm) PG/SG
Bian Qiang 28 6'4-(192 cm) SF/SG
Liu Xiaoyu 18 6'3-(190 cm) PG
Luo Zhi 20 6'3-(190 cm) PG

bobo81
04-09-2007, 01:33 PM
I expect Saudi Arabia to withdraw as usual...So here is my prediction:


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East Asia: 5
China
South Korea
Japan
Chinese Taipei
HongKong

West Asia: 3
Lebanon
Iran
Jordan

Gulf: 3
Qatar
Bahrain
UAE

Middle Asia: 3
Kazakhstan
India
Uzbekistan

South East Asia: 2
Philippines
Thailand

karim
04-09-2007, 07:59 PM
ya same prediction here except i would put Indonesia or Malaysia instead of Thailand i dont know which 1 of them is in southeast asia:p ....this is really the weakest part of the continent......the west asia group will be competitive where 1 of 4 good teams(Leb,Iran,Jor and Syria) wont reach the asian championship , i dt think Yemen and Iraq will do anything

sickcurtain_16
04-13-2007, 05:22 AM
Yup, I do think also that South East asia is the weakest region of the continent in basketball, AS A GROUP. But don't look now as the Philippines is back and Business. And we really mean BUSINESS.

Good luck to our NT and good luck to all. Let's all join to show Asian Basketball Power on 8/8/8.:cool:

ros
04-14-2007, 04:25 AM
Yup, I do think also that South East asia is the weakest region of the continent in basketball, AS A GROUP. But don't look now as the Philippines is back and Business. And we really mean BUSINESS.

Good luck to our NT and good luck to all. Let's all join to show Asian Basketball Power on 8/8/8.:cool:

Yes..Philippines battlecry: 8/8/8 >>> August 8, 2008 Beijing Olympics...

daniab
04-16-2007, 07:27 AM
According to local newspaper Al Rai n its today's edition, Jordanian Basketball Federation (JBF) had finished negotiations with the american shooting guard Rasheim Wright (193-G-81, college: District of Columbia) (193-G-81, college: District of Columbia) to have the jordanian passport and join the National Team's trainings next saturday.

The secretary general of JBF Eng. Nabeel Abu Ata confirmed that the operations of Wright's nationalism are on its final stages.

Former District of Columbia University (NCAA2) graduate Rashiem is considered as one of best imports in who came to lebanon from 2 seasons until now, He led his team Mouttahed Aleppo to 5th last season after only one year of the team's promotion to First Division, He played with the other lebanese team Sporting Al Riyadi Beirut in Dubai Tournament last January.

Eng. nabil calimed to the same newspaper also that there will be an abroad camp in Greece from 30th of April for 3 weeks before heading to Tehran, Iran and playing under the name of Arena Amman club in Asian Clubs Championship (12-20th May) and then WABA tournament for NT's (Damascus, Syria 1-5 June).

William Jones Cup (Taiwan, 2-10 July) will be another stage of preperations for the national team adding to a camp in a country in the far east.
Source:www.asia-basket.com

So Jordanian NT will be a strong team,specially that Rashein wright have the third best average points in lebanese league :30.1 pionts per game.

bobo81
04-16-2007, 12:08 PM
So Jordan is learning from Qatar now :D

Jordan, Lebanon, Syria etc... should go recruit the Jor/Leb/Syr - Americans in the US to play for them. Go to Michigan, you will find many. I am sure some of them play ball.

karim
04-16-2007, 12:43 PM
no they only naturalized rasheem and without changing his NAME.......so they are actually learning from Lebanon and all the achievements the country has LEGALLY reached.........

daniab
04-19-2007, 07:49 AM
Today,18 players will participate in a scout with lebanese NT.

Blue stars:Fadi el Khatib,Rony fahed,Ahmad Ozeir,Jean Abdel Nour,Roy samaha,Bassem balaa,Jihad l murr.

Riyadi:Omar l Turk,Ali mahmoud,Joe vogel,Hussein Tawbe,Ali fakherdine,Mazen mneimneh.

Sagesse:Mohammed fahess.
Antonieh:Anis feghali.
Mouttahed:Sabah Khoury
Champville:Mario Abboud
Anibal:Elie kassouf

And later,Mohammed Ibrahim and Brian bchara will be with Lebanese NT.
Good luck For lebanese NT,hope we will qualified to Olympic game in chine 2008.Good luck :cool:

karim
04-19-2007, 09:08 PM
its gonna be exciting to watch Lebanon NT this year, it would be much easier if philippines didnt have the suspension lifted and if qatar didnt have 11 imports buss yalla we will try our best , lebanon is known for playing with a big heart especially in big tournaments........lek daniab r sure that brian beshara and adriano ibrahim r gonna play ? if ya , wat r ur sources ? ya3ner who told u ?

CHINA TEAM
04-21-2007, 09:44 AM
CHINA B TEAM will beat you....~!

daniab
04-22-2007, 07:03 AM
its gonna be exciting to watch Lebanon NT this year, it would be much easier if philippines didnt have the suspension lifted and if qatar didnt have 11 imports buss yalla we will try our best , lebanon is known for playing with a big heart especially in big tournaments........lek daniab r sure that brian beshara and adriano ibrahim r gonna play ? if ya , wat r ur sources ? ya3ner who told u ?

Yeah karim,Brian bchara will play with lebanese NT 100 % ,my source is fouad abou chacra,in a interview with him he said that brian bchara and mohamed ibrahim (ex-riyadi) will come to join lebanese Nt.

Adriano ibrahim,will play mabda2iyan next year with blue stars if he can take the lebanese nationality cz many difficult problems with adriano but like he said the coach fouad abou chacra that the lebanese federation will try to help adriano,

In another information karim bro,3 lebanese players played in brazil will have a chance with lebanese Nt.

But a bad news,ali mahmoud will not play with lebanese NT in asian championship in japan cz he will married.:(

Good luck lebanon,god with you.

kalamity131
04-22-2007, 01:34 PM
Returning to the topic...

Does anyone know who's playing who come September?

CHINA TEAM
04-23-2007, 06:28 AM
Captain of china B team~PF:WANG BO 2.07m (JI LIN DONG BEI TIGER)
http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/k/p/2005-07-30/U687P6T12D1695356F44DT20050730222250.JPG

C:ZHANG KAI 2.10m (DONG GUAN XIN SHI JI)

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/p/2006-02-05/U1619P6T12D2025623F44DT20060205171313.jpg

PF: DING JIN HUI 2.08m (ZHE JIANG WAN MA)

http://cimg2.163.com/photo/0005/2006-11-01/2USEQ9O704V70005.jpg

PF:LI KE 2.07m(BA YI ROKET)

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/k/2002-03-24/2_6-12-44_20020324234033.jpg

SF:YI LI 2.04m (JIANG SU DA HUA)

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/s/2006-03-23/4615865f2771867d4e5cb4e39c2b1b39.jpg

WANG LEI 1.96m (SHAN XI ZHONG YU)

http://sports.tom.com/uimg/2006/3/18/lanqiu/DSC_4103_84709.JPG

PG:LIU XIAO YU 1.91m(GUANG DONG HONG YUAN)

http://cimg.163.com/sport/2005/12/21/200512211110468e8eb.jpg


I think even though this is china b team,they are so power,so i think we are still Championships........Harder work than CHINA A TEAM to make....
Go,china,NO1 of Asia~

daniab
04-23-2007, 07:58 AM
http://www.jabba-net.com/jabba/img/ligo_ball.gif
Official Website (http://www.jabba-net.com/)

Qualifying
East Asia: 5
China
South Korea
Japan
Chinese Taipei
HongKong of China
Mongolia

West Asia: 3
Lebanon
Iran
Jordan
Syria
Yemen
Iraq

Gulf: 3
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Bahrain
Oman
UAE

Middle Asia: 3
Kazakhstan
India
Uzbekistan
Nepal
Bangladesh

South East Asia: 2
Philippines
Malaysia
Indonesia
Thailand
Singapore
Vietnam


23rd Most Valuable Player
http://www.nba.com/media/draft2002/ming_head.jpg
Preliminary Round
76 - 61 Iran: 29Pts, 13Reb.
76 - 58 Chinese Taipei: 15Pts, 8Reb.
83 - 52 Uzbekistan: Do Not Play.
Quarter-Final Round
86 - 53 Japan: 16Pts, 13Reb.
87 - 73 Lebanon: 11Pts, 3Reb.
98 - 10 Saudi Arabia: Do Not Play.
Semi-Finals
93 - 49 South Korea: 27Pts, 15Reb.
Finals
77 - 61 Lebanon: 24Pts, 14Reb.

About west asia four teams will qualified to Asian championship in japan-tokushima not 3 .

Projectspeed
04-23-2007, 08:56 AM
this competition will reveal the real basketball powerhouse in Asia....

daniab
04-23-2007, 09:24 AM
23rd ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 2005
September 8-16, 2005 at Doha, Qatar

MVP: Yao Ming (226-C-80) of China
Best Guard: Daoud Musa (193-G-82) of Qatar
Best Forward: Fadi El Khatib (197-F-79) of Lebanon
Best Center: Yao Ming (226-C-80) of China



1st Team
Yao Ming (226-C-80) of China
Joe Vogel (211-C-73) of Lebanon
Zhu Fangyu (200-F-83) of China
Fadi El Khatib (197-F-79) of Lebanon
Daoud Musa (193-G-82) of Qatar



2nd Team
Du Feng (203-C/F-81) of China
Yaseen Ismail (204-F-80) of Qatar
Choo Seung Gyun (190-F-74) of Korea
Ryota Sakurai (194-F-82) of Japan
Pouya Tajik (202-F/C-80) of Iran



Honorable Mention
Liu Wei (190-G-80) of China
Paul Khoury (207-C-68) of Lebanon
Moon Kyung Eun (190-F-74) of Korea
Sam Daghlas (197-G-79) of Jordan
Naser Bassam (198-G/F-76) of Jordan
Fayez Al Hajj (190-F/G-74) of Saudi Arabia
Vyacheslav Rosnovski (198-G-75) of Kazakhstan

daniab
04-23-2007, 09:30 AM
I think the 16 teams will qualified to asian championship in japan:

West asia(4 teams) :Lebanon,jordan,iran and syria.
East asia(5 teams) :Chine,japan,south korea,Chinese taipei and Hong kong.
Gulf ( 3 teams) :quatar,Saoudie arabia and kuwait.
Middle asia (2 teams) :Usbekistan,kazakhistan
South east asia(2 teams):Philipine,malysia.

cohen
04-23-2007, 09:42 AM
So Jordan is learning from Qatar now :D

Jordan, Lebanon, Syria etc... should go recruit the Jor/Leb/Syr - Americans in the US to play for them. Go to Michigan, you will find many. I am sure some of them play ball.

That's what Nigeria does...

Anyway, what's going on with Matt Freije and the Lebanon?

CHINA TEAM
04-23-2007, 10:54 AM
23rd ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 2005
September 8-16, 2005 at Doha, Qatar

MVP: Yao Ming (226-C-80) of China
Best Guard: Daoud Musa (193-G-82) of Qatar
Best Forward: Fadi El Khatib (197-F-79) of Lebanon
Best Center: Yao Ming (226-C-80) of China



1st Team
Yao Ming (226-C-80) of China
Joe Vogel (211-C-73) of Lebanon
Zhu Fangyu (200-F-83) of China
Fadi El Khatib (197-F-79) of Lebanon
Daoud Musa (193-G-82) of Qatar



2nd Team
Du Feng (203-C/F-81) of China
Yaseen Ismail (204-F-80) of Qatar
Choo Seung Gyun (190-F-74) of Korea
Ryota Sakurai (194-F-82) of Japan
Pouya Tajik (202-F/C-80) of Iran



Honorable Mention
Liu Wei (190-G-80) of China
Paul Khoury (207-C-68) of Lebanon
Moon Kyung Eun (190-F-74) of Korea
Sam Daghlas (197-G-79) of Jordan
Naser Bassam (198-G/F-76) of Jordan
Fayez Al Hajj (190-F/G-74) of Saudi Arabia
Vyacheslav Rosnovski (198-G-75) of Kazakhstan

Moreover correction:DU FENG height:207CM,PF/SF,He was never Center!

This is he in 2004 Olympic games CHINA beat Serbia
http://www.huanantiger.com/attachments/20070422_939dcee5ad4a4fc1c4204ltw00TQZhkd.gifhttp://www.huanantiger.com/attachments/20070422_cb46c1bf2ddb6c296c27aJJpdlpW2Vb8.gif

Why not YI???I think he was also do well in 2005!I think he should be 2ND team‘s C/PF:o :confused:

Projectspeed
04-23-2007, 01:54 PM
Does anyone know the format in the coming FIBA-Asia? From elimination to championship?

Projectspeed
04-23-2007, 01:59 PM
I think the 16 teams will qualified to asian championship in japan:

West asia(4 teams) :Lebanon,jordan,iran and syria.
East asia(5 teams) :Chine,japan,south korea,Chinese taipei and Hong kong.
Gulf ( 3 teams) :quatar,Saoudie arabia and kuwait.
Middle asia (2 teams) :Usbekistan,kazakhistan
South east asia(2 teams):Philipine,malysia.


In Southeast Asia... my country, Philippines will surely top the qualifier, however... Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia and Singapore, I believe, will have an equal chance to qualify... the said nations can beat and match each other... but I don't think they can notch a win in the coming FIBA-Asia...

daniab
04-23-2007, 04:20 PM
In this day,every asian country try to make her teams in a best performance to get ready and qualified to olympics.

Jordan:Naturalized Rasheim wright (played with mouttahed at lebanese league with an average pts:30.1).

Syria:had joined 2 new players (Andre Chweiri and Edwardo farhat)

Phillippine:i heard about this team that he's a dream and have a fantastic players,about me i don't have any informations about phillippine.

Lebanon:A very good team,have a good payers,had qualified 2 times to WC .

Quatar:Also a good team,have a good three pointers shooters.

South korea,Japan,chine.................

who's the asian NT in your opinion will have a chance to qualified to olympic games.

About me as lebanese,i hope Lebanon qualified to olympic games,but it's not so easy,our league have not finished ,2 clubs will participate in 2 different tournaments this month .Lebanese NT will not begin his campaign yet like jordan,quatar....

SkyWalker
04-23-2007, 04:40 PM
of cors, as a Filipino, im supporting our National Team.

im here to represent!!!! what is up?!!

:cool: :D

CHINA TEAM
04-24-2007, 12:35 AM
I dont know the power of Philipine,but i had ever seen the video of Philipine vs chinese Taibei......who can introduce???

Grr_tiger
04-24-2007, 05:05 AM
I dont know the power of Philipine,but i had ever seen the video of Philipine vs chinese Taibei......who can introduce???


for scouting reasons we cannot tell you.


one thing's for sure, the Philippines is a lot smaller but quicker than the Chinese and the Lebanese.

daniab
04-24-2007, 05:11 AM
for scouting reasons we cannot tell you.


one thing's for sure, the Philippines is a lot smaller but quicker than the Chinese and the Lebanese.

Grr_tiger,can you give me some informations about Philippine NT.Players,coach,stastics,campaign...
Thanks...

Phantim3dx
04-24-2007, 05:58 AM
for scouting reasons we cannot tell you.


That was hilarious!

TechSupport
04-24-2007, 06:34 AM
hmmm... Philippines?

since 1990 only 4 times they sent their best available players. 1990, 1994, 1998 and 2002 asian games. they finished 2nd, 4th, 3rd and again 4th after losing to korea by a point(freak buzzer-beating trey) for the right to face china for the gold medal in who would have thought, korea. they defeated twice the world champioship bound lebanon by a ragtag team hastily formed 3 days before the match. and they only saw the B team. lebanon's coach once said during an interview "you beat us twice but who's going to the world championship?" the world watched the world championship unfold expecting to see the best team without knowing that there are countries who are a lot better just watching on their tv sets at home.

daniab
04-24-2007, 07:53 AM
hmmm... Philippines?

since 1990 only 4 times they sent their best available players. 1990, 1994, 1998 and 2002 asian games. they finished 2nd, 4th, 3rd and again 4th after losing to korea by a point(freak buzzer-beating trey) for the right to face china for the gold medal in who would have thought, korea. they defeated twice the world champioship bound lebanon by a ragtag team hastily formed 3 days before the match. and they only saw the B team. lebanon's coach once said during an interview "you beat us twice but who's going to the world championship?" the world watched the world championship unfold expecting to see the best team without knowing that there are countries who are a lot better just watching on their tv sets at home.

If i understand Philippine had defeat lebanon in a friendly games.

CHINA TEAM
04-24-2007, 11:44 AM
if china b team vs Philippines...........

Projectspeed
04-24-2007, 02:16 PM
if china b team vs Philippines...........

we'll just see in the coming FIBA-Asia...

I hope, darkhorse and underdog Philippines can pull an upset:)

Grr_tiger
04-24-2007, 03:33 PM
That was hilarious!


it's quite odd you find my bluntness hilarious. :rolleyes:


or maybe that's just the way to tickle the fickle. :D

daniab
04-30-2007, 05:31 AM
Jordan NT to greece today
Apr 29, 2007
Jordan national team staff will be heading today to Athens, Greece to begin their camp there which resume until the 20th of May.

vladski
05-03-2007, 12:04 PM
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The national basketball team of the Philippines is one of the best-performing Asian teams in the international tournaments, winning a bronze medal in the 1954 FIBA World Championship for Men and fifth-place finish in the Olympic Basketball Tournaments, best finishes of any Asian team in the top two international basketball tournaments.

Aside from the bronze medal at the World Championships and the fifth-place Olympic finish, the Philippines has won five FIBA Asian Championships for Men, four Asian Games Men's Basketball gold medals and a consistent winner at the Southeast Asian Games and at the Southeast Asia Basketball Association. The country has also participated in four FIBA World Championships and seven Olympic Basketball Tournaments.

In the 1950s-1960s, the Philippines was among the best in the world, producing world-class players like Carlos Loyzaga, Mariano Tolentino and Edgardo Ocampo. Loyzaga was even a part of the 1954 FIBA World Championship Mythical Team selection, where the Philippines won the Bronze medal.

The country lost its Asian basketball supremacy, when Asia's first and the world's second professional basketball league, the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA), was founded on April 1975. Slowly, the country lost its best players to the league with FIBA restrictions of professional players in the national teams.

vladski
05-03-2007, 12:16 PM
Famous players

Johnny Abarrientos - Philippine basketball's and Asia's best point guard in the 1990's. Abarrientos played for the Philippines in the 1991 Southeast Asian Games and the Asian Games. He was later selected to play for the Philippine Centennial Team to represent the country in the 1998 Asian Games and the 21st William Jones Cup championship. Abarrientos was named Most Valuable Player in an exhibition game against the FIBA Asia All-Star team led by his fellow countryman, Rommel Adducul.

Allan Caidic - Asia's most feared three-point shooter and arguably one of the greatest players ever to play for the Philippines internationally. He is a four-time veteran of the Asian Games (1986, 1990, 1994, 1998) and a two-time William Jones Cup champion (1985, 1998). Early in his career, Caidic played a major role for the Philippines in capturing the 1985 South East Asian Games and the 1985-1986 FIBA Asia Championship. In 1994, he was the Asian Games basketball tournament's leading scorer and was named to the All-tournament mythical five selection. In 1998, he represented the country for the final time with the celebrated Philippine Centennial Team.

Robert Jaworski - the world's oldest professional basketball player and arguably the Philippines' most popular player of the professional era. He represented the country in numerous international tournaments and one of the last Filipino basketball players to play in the World Championship and in the Olympic Games.

Samboy Lim - one of the best players ever to play for the Philippines. A prolific scorer, he represented the Philippines in the 1982 Asian Youth Championship and in the 1985-1986 FIBA Asia Championship. He was later named in the 1990 Asian Games mythical five selection.

Carlos Loyzaga - the greatest international Filipino basketball player in the history. He led the Philippines to four consecutive Asian Games gold medals and three Asian championship titles. His biggest achievement was leading the country to a third place finish and the bronze medal in the 1954 FIBA World Championship, the best finish by an Asian country in the World Championships. He was named later in the all-tournament mythical five selection after finishing third leading scorer of the tournament.

Ambrosio Padilla - one of the greatest players of the pre-war era. He played for the Philippines in the Far Eastern Games before leading the country to a fifth place finish in the 1936 Olympic Games, the best finish by an Asian country in the Olympic basketball tournament.

Luis "Lou" Salvador - one of the most prolific Filipino scorer in history. Salvador played for the Philippines in several Far Eastern Games tournaments but in 1923, Salvador set an all-time record for the most points scored by a Filipino in a single international game. He scored 116 points against China to lead the country to the gold medal.

vladski
05-03-2007, 12:29 PM
I respect everbody's opinion regarding basketball and your belief in your own NT. I know these are past achievements of philippine NT, but achievements are achievements. And no other team in Asia has ever achieved what the Philippine NT has achieved in International Basketball Competitions.

vladski
05-03-2007, 12:47 PM
The national basketball team of the Philippines is one of the best-performing Asian teams in the international tournaments, winning a bronze medal in the 1954 FIBA World Championship for Men and fifth-place finish in the Olympic Basketball Tournaments, best finishes of any Asian team in the top two international basketball tournaments.

Medal record

World Championships
Bronze 1954 Rio de Janiero Team competition

Asian Championships
Gold 1960 Manila Team competition
Gold 1963 Taipei Team competition
Gold 1967 Seoul Team competition
Gold 1973 Manila Team competition
Gold 1985 Kuala Lumpur Team competition
Silver 1965 Kuala Lumpur Team competition
Silver 1971 Tokyo Team competition
Bronze 1969 Bangkok Team competition

World tournaments
[edit] FIBA World Championships record
1950 - Did not participate
1954 - Bronze (3rd) (6-3)
1959 - 8th (4-2)
1963 - Did not qualify (was supposed to host the event but was suspended by FIBA for refusing to issue visas to players from participating Communist countries)
1967 - Did not qualify
1970 - Did not qualify
1974 - 13th (2-5)
1978 - 8th (Host) (0-7)
1982 - Did not qualify
1986 - Qualified (but did not participate due to political crisis at home)

Olympic Games record
1936 - 5th (4-1)
1948 - 12th (4-4)
1952 - tied for 9th (3-2)
1956 - 7th (4-4)
1960 - 11th (4-4)
1964 - Did not qualify
1968 - 13th (3-6)
1972 - 13th (3-6)

Asian tournaments

FIBA Asia Championships record
1960 - Champion (9-0)
1963 - Champion (9-2)
1965 - 2nd (4-1)
1967 - Champion (9-0)
1969 - 3rd (7-2)
1971 - 2nd (7-1)
1973 - Champion (9-0)
1975 - 5th
1977 - 5th
1979 - 4th
1981 - 4th
1983 - 9th
1985 - Champion (6-0)
1987 - 4th
1989 - 8th
1991 - 7th
1993 - 11th
1995 - 12th
1997 - 9th
1999 - 11th
2001 - Qualified but did not participate (suspended by FIBA)
2003 - 15th
2005 - Did not qualify

Asian Games record
1951 - Gold (1st) (4-0)
1954 - Gold (1st) (6-0)
1958 - Gold (1st) (6-1)
1962 - Gold (1st) (7-0)
1966 - 6th (4-3)
1970 - 5th (4-4)
1974 - 4th
1978 - 5th
1982 - 4th
1986 - Bronze (3rd) (2-2)
1990 - Silver (2nd) (4-2)
1994 - 4th (3-3)
1998 - Bronze (3rd) (5-2)
2002 - 4th
2006 - Did not participate (suspended by FIBA)


Non-FIBA-sanctioned tournaments
[edit] Far Eastern Championship Games record
1913 - Champion
1915 - Champion
1917 - Champion
1919 - Champion
1921 - 2nd
1923 - Champion
1925 - Champion
1927 - Champion
1930 - Champion
1934 - Champion
[edit] William Jones Cup record
1981 - Champion
1985 - Champion
1998 - Champion [1]
1999 - 8th - Withdrew from the Tournament [2]
2000 - 4th
2001 - 4th
2002 - 5th
2004 - 8th
2005 - 3rd
2006 - 6th

vladski
05-03-2007, 01:00 PM
Philippine Team has laready proven its power and might in the field of various International BAsketball Competions which other Asian countries NEVER and FAILED to achieved other than the Philippine Team.

This time, we will be out there to prove and reclaim our glory in Basketball. Should you doubt my statement, please try searching the net first before you disagree and definitely we will know why i am so proud of this team.

So to all who will participate in the coming FIBA Asian Championship, watch out. It's not a joke!!!

asapa11
05-03-2007, 02:11 PM
no offense but come on man. letS concentrate on the here and now. we have bragged about our history several times. We WERE the best in asia, but as of now we arent, obviously its china. i know that our NT's past achievements are the best in asia and that some achievements are achievements that other asian nt's are yet to reach but we really should consider the level of competition that we are in right now. other national teams are very competitive and could claim that they are best in asia.

Phantim3dx
05-03-2007, 05:09 PM
no offense but come on man. letS concentrate on the here and now. we have bragged about our history several times. We WERE the best in asia, but as of now we arent, obviously its china. i know that our NT's past achievements are the best in asia and that some achievements are achievements that other asian nt's are yet to reach but we really should consider the level of competition that we are in right now. other national teams are very competitive and could claim that they are best in asia.


wow someone being realistic? my god corruption msutve ended in the phil gov. anyways sarcasm aside, seriously when can i buy you a bottle of beer or something for this hard to swallow form of realism to the past achievements of pride.

i second thee

asapa11
05-04-2007, 01:36 AM
ei Phantim3dx, I may be somewhat of a realist, but i still have high hopes for my rp team. We may score an upset and win the asian championship, go to the olympics and be placed somewhere at the bottom 5. hopefully not last place. but still its a good start.

anyways im going to the US around august... maybe we could drink san miguel beer when your there! haha "for me, its the best beer!"

bognut
05-04-2007, 03:28 AM
the most? :confused:

CHINA ofcourse. theyre already in! :D

daniab
05-04-2007, 05:51 AM
I want to change the question:

the question is: which Asian country will qualify in the coming 2008 Beijing
Olympics?

Make your decision and why you choose this team ??

phevergy
05-04-2007, 09:24 AM
why there's so much bragging abt the phil team?past achievement is only a history now...what's impt is the future...i think china has a great future in terms of basketball,in fact, all of the featured sports played internationally.
they have all the right to brag!!! they had proven their skills and talent at all sports level...Phil team? very few!!! boxing,billiards,bowling,basketball...we love all B..sports but we bragged too much already.let's just be humble in spirit...
i just came to china for a tour 2 days ago...and had the chance to passed by olympic stadium..and u will be wowed if u see that...that's so big and beautiful,designed like a birds nest... i feel envy,with their facilities...our govt can't even make stadium like that and i feel so upset...

karim
05-04-2007, 10:54 AM
philippines,s achievements were in the 1950s i think.......there wasnt any computers back than :)

vladski
05-04-2007, 11:53 AM
I am realistic... and the reality of the philippine Nt#s achievements were all real...

what am i saying????

your NT may be the best in asia nowadays...but look guys.... does this best team you are considering did surpass the achievements of our NT???

the answer is a BIG NO.

if you are talking about reality... who should be realistic here???

the so called ~best teams in asia today haven#t proven anything yet in the international basketbal arena...

so who should be realistic???

when time comes that you have surpassed the philippine nt#s achievements in international basketbal, that would only be the time that you can say that our achievements in basketball were all part of the past... but as long as these so called best teams in asia today remains the least in the world basketball competions... YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF!!!!

Tell youe NT's to prove themselves first in the international basketball arena and i will forget everything about philippine NT's achievements of the past.

GOOD LUCK.

vladski
05-04-2007, 11:55 AM
philippines,s achievements were in the 1950s i think.......there wasnt any computers back than :)


it's true...

but where's your NT#s achievement????

vladski
05-04-2007, 12:22 PM
I want to change the thread's question:

the question is: which Asian country will qualify in the coming 2008 Beijing
Olympics?

Make your decision and why you choose this team ??


I know i would be bias to say it would be philippines... but allow me to support my answer...

1. The teams composition - Philippine NT rosters except for center positions can play various positions at the same time... which could make the team flexible and taht would mean a good adjust mean can be done easily under any circumstances and as the need arises.
2. Preparations - before... we used to send teams with 2-4 weeks preparations only...the asean basketball held in beijing in 1990 now.. i guess this is the
3. We have a Heart of a true champion - we have been proven our worth as a champion not only in asia but also in World Chamionship and Olympics. This is not uncommon to us anymore...

the mission of the present philippine team is to restore the lost glory of the coutry in basketball... and they are aout there to do all the best for this mission...

vladski
05-04-2007, 12:46 PM
According to past records and statistics and performance in international competions... the best teams for me in asia are:

1. China
2. Philippines
3. South Korea
4. Qatar/Japan/Lebanon

Grr_tiger
05-04-2007, 03:12 PM
philippines,s achievements were in the 1950s i think.......there wasnt any computers back than :)


we had little success in the 90's only. the best finish during that decade was the silver medal in the 1990 Asian Games.

FYI, we won the 1985 Asian Championship as well as 1973, 1967, 1963, and 1960.

i could go on and on with the long list of achievements by the Philippines just to prove my point, but it's all in the past.

the important thing is we love the sport as much as everyone else and we are happy very that we are sending a strong team now unlike in the recent past.

Phantim3dx
05-04-2007, 03:17 PM
According to past records and statistics and performance in international competions... the best teams for me in asia are:

1. China
2. Philippines
3. South Korea
4. Qatar/Japan/Lebanon

hahaha, anyone on the top 2-5 can be in any order seed for me, depends on the day and condition really, wiuth exception to qatar they seem to be the 坏女人在亚洲

daniab
05-04-2007, 03:39 PM
According to past records and statistics and performance in international competions... the best teams for me in asia are:

1. China
2. Philippines
3. South Korea
4. Qatar/Japan/Lebanon

South korea is strong than lebanon :eek: haha...

1.chine
2.Lebanon
3.quatar
4.japan

I don't know anything about philippino team :confused:

daniab
05-04-2007, 03:41 PM
I know i would be bias to say it would be philippines... but allow me to support my answer...

1. The teams composition - Philippine NT rosters except for center positions can play various positions at the same time... which could make the team flexible and taht would mean a good adjust mean can be done easily under any circumstances and as the need arises.
2. Preparations - before... we used to send teams with 2-4 weeks preparations only...the asean basketball held in beijing in 1990 now.. i guess this is the
3. We have a Heart of a true champion - we have been proven our worth as a champion not only in asia but also in World Chamionship and Olympics. This is not uncommon to us anymore...

the mission of the present philippine team is to restore the lost glory of the coutry in basketball... and they are aout there to do all the best for this mission...

Can u give me please the Philippino NT roster ??

karim
05-04-2007, 03:42 PM
According to past records and statistics and performance in international competions... the best teams for me in asia are:

1. China
2. Philippines
3. South Korea
4. Qatar/Japan/Lebanon

according to statistics and performance philippines is 2nd ? they havent competed in a tournament in 50 years to know :P
1.China
2.Lebanon
3.Qatar
4.South Korea
just like they were in 2005 .....philippines arent in the top 16 now

Phantim3dx
05-05-2007, 01:19 AM
i cant see japan being in the top 4 spot @ all in asia, to the fils here when was it that japan got manhandled by asi t. and he couldnt be stop, i sure you guys could enlighten us more.

asapa11
05-05-2007, 01:31 AM
we cant keep on living in the past, coz that way we cant move forward..

vladski
05-05-2007, 03:37 AM
Can u give me please the Philippino NT roster ??

Please check

http://www.pba.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines_national_basketball_team

you can also try searching using google for "Philippine basketball"
Hope this will help.

vladski
05-05-2007, 03:48 AM
we cant keep on living in the past, coz that way we cant move forward..


I am sorry to disagree. This satement is very wrong. As I have said, the philippines' achievements in international basketball were all part of the past, yes but the point is if we were able to be on top as our history shows... we can make it happen again. We have proven it already. And these teams from china, japan, s.korea are yet to prove their might in international basketball.

Tha point is... we already excel in this competition internationally... and you can't simply brush off that achievements. Professionals and all basketball experts acknowledge these achievements. It shows the quality of basketball we have offered in this part of the world.

As i have said... let this powerhouse china prove its prowess first in international basketball before we can say that they are the best team in asia. Otherwise all these claims are just fictions and dreams which has proven NOTHING yet.

Our team had proven already. What about yours?

vladski
05-05-2007, 04:03 AM
according to statistics and performance philippines is 2nd ? they havent competed in a tournament in 50 years to know :P
1.China
2.Lebanon
3.Qatar
4.South Korea
just like they were in 2005 .....philippines arent in the top 16 now

hahaha... you made me laugh man... i am wondering if you really are a basketball fan at all... to say that the philippines hasn't played internationally in 50 years.... do you surf the net???

Lebanon played out NT in 2006 before proceeding to Japan for the WOrld Championship. The result: they lost to our NT.

Qatar: How many times we have beaten this team??? can't remember anymore.

S.Korea: They have beaten us in several occasions. Same us we have beaten them more than they have beaten us....

In previous internationally competitions, especially asian games, we assemble out NT to represent in this competions in 2 weeks time only. Memeber of Philippine NT are all playing from different ball clubs in the philippines. that menas that they are not playing as a team till they are assembled for this competition. The result??? it shows... we lost... but this time... we have made a lot of preparations... and this time we will be out there to play basketball like we used to play before, It means being a CHAMPION.

SkyWalker
05-05-2007, 04:52 AM
according to statistics and performance philippines is 2nd ? they havent competed in a tournament in 50 years to know :P
1.China
2.Lebanon
3.Qatar
4.South Korea
just like they were in 2005 .....philippines arent in the top 16 now

alright, stop this non-sense argument. I am against this kind of power rankings or whatever. you know guys, the only way to solve this, is for both teams to play each other or in a tournament. Phil team defeated Lebanon twice, with only a ragtag team, but for me, even if its a win, that's not enough. A tournament is very different from an exhibition game. you see, tournament has some factors in it, mostly conditioning. As for Lebanon, even if you guys went to WBC, you shud not brag about it. Remember, RP wasnt able to join the ABC. And based on the exhibition games that both teams played, we're at par, or maybe RP is a lot better. So as for now, lets stop this meaningless mismatching of our teams. Though some of us are really patriotic, and nationalistic, it is still better for us to stop this, inorder for us to prevent being humiliated. alright, where we are again? here's my top3 1.China, 2.RP, Lebanon. :p :D hahaha.. just kidding guys..:D :p just kidding..

ctongco
05-05-2007, 05:13 AM
Hmmm.... If we were talking about this coming FIBA-Asia Championship. This is my top teams in any order.

China, Lebanon, S. Korea, Philippines

If we were talking about Asia in general then it would be.

1. China
2-4. Lebanon, S. Korea, Philippines.

jrb0yd
05-05-2007, 06:52 AM
South korea is strong than lebanon :eek: haha...

1.chine
2.Lebanon
3.quatar
4.japan

I don't know anything about philippino team :confused:

if we are talking about the ranking of the teams just before the asian championships in japan, phils will definitely be not inlcuded in the top 3... but after the fiba asia championships philippines would definitely be in the top2 or 3 (since china will only field its team b so we still don't know how well we fair against them)... its really awesome that the philippines is considered an underdog... it's great to be an underdog...i remember our local hero manny pacquiao when he took barrera, barrera was 8-1 favorite to win but to his shock, he was knockout by our manny... its great that not many teams are paying attention to our team and have no idea on what our team can bring...i tell u all of u will be shock... philippines is really strong... but of course this will be known in the abc... anyway, to end all this brouhaha, philippines will definitely get the respect of asian teams right after the fiba asian championships...that's a fact!

CHINA TEAM
05-05-2007, 07:20 AM
I don't agree with you dear,In my opinion,south Korea to being on the down grade these years,in 4-5 of asia.so i think top4 should be:

1:china
2:Qatar/Lebanon
3:iron/japen(if they have a great center)
4:south korea

as for the Philippines,they leaves FIBA long years after all,so we don't know your power!i 'd like to watch china B team vs Phlilppines.......

vladski
05-05-2007, 07:25 AM
if we are talking about the ranking of the teams just before the asian championships in japan, phils will definitely be not inlcuded in the top 3... but after the fiba asia championships philippines would definitely be in the top2 or 3 (since china will only field its team b so we still don't know how well we fair against them)... its really awesome that the philippines is considered an underdog... it's great to be an underdog...i remember our local hero manny pacquiao when he took barrera, barrera was 8-1 favorite to win but to his shock, he was knockout by our manny... its great that not many teams are paying attention to our team and have no idea on what our team can bring...i tell u all of u will be shock... philippines is really strong... but of course this will be known in the abc... anyway, to end all this brouhaha, philippines will definitely get the respect of asian teams right after the fiba asian championships...that's a fact!


Team Philippines will definitely rock the basketball arena this abc. They shocked the US NCCA Div I teams led by an NBA veteran who played against M. JOrdan.... and the USBL selection team in their recent US training/camp.

This time, team PILIPINAS will bring the house down...

It's really good that other teams are not paying attention to RP team.. it's because we are sending class b & c in international competions... and also philippines were not able to play internationally for 2 years (i guess) because of the banned imposed by FIBA. They think philippines is just a weak team... but lebanon got a taste of what RP team is capable of... considering that lebanon played the RP Team B... not yet the best team...

This time we will be bringing in the very best of RP squad... watch out very carefully...

Why not ask the coaches from each participating team on who's the team to watch this coming ABC?

do you have any idea wwhich name will come out aside from China???

hehehe... i dont want to brag again... try searching the net about interviews of the head coache of other asian teams... especially those who had played the recently formed RP squad... and you should have read the interview of the American coach of Lebanon after playing gainst RP... He dreamed of coaching here in RP... the reason??? ask him... he's willing to give up Lebanon NT just to become a ballclub coach in RP... but no offer for him from any ballclubs in the PBA or any other leagues in the philippines.

Please ask your coaches...and you will know the answers...

CHINA TEAM
05-05-2007, 07:52 AM
Who has any Video of Philippine basketball???and who is the tallest member of Philipine NT???how many cm???

CHINA TEAM
05-05-2007, 07:57 AM
we cant keep on living in the past, coz that way we cant move forward..
I agree with you,those are past,we only care for-NOW

Burndvinyard
05-05-2007, 08:07 AM
Who has any Video of Philippine basketball???and who is the tallest member of Philipine NT???how many cm???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15x_e0lTyE

asapa11
05-05-2007, 10:57 AM
i dont really brush off our past achievements and i really admire it and acknowledge it. but what i believe that we should do is to put these achievements on our trophy cases and use it to inspire us. then we should start from scratch and acknowledge the fact the we arent the best right NOW and take the necessary steps to get back our glory here in asia then the world. coz we dont really know if we can make it happen all over again.

the level of competition right now is very much different from the 50's and the 80's, basketball has evolved all around the world, and achieving or past achievements again would be nearly impossible as it is every countries goal to surpass these achievements. and i bet that it is also nearly impossible for our RP nt to repeat these achievements. because of countries having a very deep budget and limitless resources.

i'd say that we ARE the best in asia if we could prove that we could win it all again, but with Lebanon, South Korea, Qatar, China and a whole lot of NTs aiming to be the best, we are far from being the best right now. as history shows we have not been asian champions for the last 10 asian games competitions and also for the last 8 fiba asia basketball competitions. so clearly these proves the we arent the best right now. you could say that we WERE the best in Asia, but you cant say the we ARE the best in asia right now.

anyways, despite or arguments, i still believe in our RP Nt and with china sending their team B our chances of being champs this year may be a lot more possible.

dont get me wrong, but i just respect opposing NTs so much that you cant just disregard how much they could match well against our RP team. thinking that we could just beat them all is just an act of ignorance.

Phantim3dx
05-05-2007, 01:49 PM
i dont really brush off our past achievements and i really admire it and acknowledge it. but what i believe that we should do is to put these achievements on our trophy cases and use it to inspire us. then we should start from scratch and acknowledge the fact the we arent the best right NOW and take the necessary steps to get back our glory here in asia then the world. coz we dont really know if we can make it happen all over again.

the level of competition right now is very much different from the 50's and the 80's, basketball has evolved all around the world, and achieving or past achievements again would be nearly impossible as it is every countries goal to surpass these achievements. and i bet that it is also nearly impossible for our RP nt to repeat these achievements. because of countries having a very deep budget and limitless resources.

i'd say that we ARE the best in asia if we could prove that we could win it all again, but with Lebanon, South Korea, Qatar, China and a whole lot of NTs aiming to be the best, we are far from being the best right now. as history shows we have not been asian champions for the last 10 asian games competitions and also for the last 8 fiba asia basketball competitions. so clearly these proves the we arent the best right now. you could say that we WERE the best in Asia, but you cant say the we ARE the best in asia right now.

anyways, despite or arguments, i still believe in our RP Nt and with china sending their team B our chances of being champs this year may be a lot more possible.

dont get me wrong, but i just respect opposing NTs so much that you cant just disregard how much they could match well against our RP team. thinking that we could just beat them all is just an act of ignorance.

took the words right out of my mouth, i really admire you; i salute thee

karim
05-05-2007, 05:59 PM
i agree.....all the countries have almost an equal chance of qualifying......lebanon being 2nd in the last asia chmp. after china has a slightly better chance than south korea,japan and iran and these countries even though i dont think we,re gonna get the lebanese-brazilian centers anymore cuz of the politics....it seems thats all wat lebanon is becoming these last few months :mad: abt qatar and philippines i dont know anything about them cuz i have never seen philippines play and qatar we did beat them in the 2005 semis but only god knows who their gonna naturalize for this tournament :p and if any team could naturalize as much as it wants it should become the best team in asia eventually or there would be smthng wrong !

karim
05-05-2007, 07:23 PM
Well we can say that lebanon and phillippines are both winning games.....Lebanon won against Venezuala and France in the WBC last year while philippines is winning on division 2 NCAA teams , i wonder who would win in a bball game , an NCAA division 2 team or France NT ? common philippines play some real warm up games not against division 3 and bryon russel(980 yrs old) teams :)

daniab
05-05-2007, 09:16 PM
Team Philippines will definitely rock the basketball arena this abc. They shocked the US NCCA Div I teams led by an NBA veteran who played against M. JOrdan.... and the USBL selection team in their recent US training/camp.

This time, team PILIPINAS will bring the house down...

It's really good that other teams are not paying attention to RP team.. it's because we are sending class b & c in international competions... and also philippines were not able to play internationally for 2 years (i guess) because of the banned imposed by FIBA. They think philippines is just a weak team... but lebanon got a taste of what RP team is capable of... considering that lebanon played the RP Team B... not yet the best team...

This time we will be bringing in the very best of RP squad... watch out very carefully...

Why not ask the coaches from each participating team on who's the team to watch this coming ABC?

do you have any idea wwhich name will come out aside from China???

hehehe... i dont want to brag again... try searching the net about interviews of the head coache of other asian teams... especially those who had played the recently formed RP squad... and you should have read the interview of the American coach of Lebanon after playing gainst RP... He dreamed of coaching here in RP... the reason??? ask him... he's willing to give up Lebanon NT just to become a ballclub coach in RP... but no offer for him from any ballclubs in the PBA or any other leagues in the philippines.

Please ask your coaches...and you will know the answers...
Pleae,stop talking about ur NT like that,give us a real new informations about phillippino NT and do not telling us ur achievement and ur old power.And about the 2 games who phillippine won over lebanon,don't forget it's a friendly ,in this time lebanese was preparing herself to WCC.:p

PRSURF
05-05-2007, 09:45 PM
1. China
2. Lebanon
3. Philippines
4. Qatar
5. Japan
6 South Korea
7. Iran

eitra
05-05-2007, 09:55 PM
according to statistics and performance philippines is 2nd ? they havent competed in a tournament in 50 years to know :P
1.China
2.Lebanon
3.Qatar
4.South Korea
just like they were in 2005 .....philippines arent in the top 16 now
Remember where the only asian country who place 3rd in WBC

karim
05-05-2007, 10:18 PM
ya u got 3rd in WBC , that was last year right ?

PRSURF
05-05-2007, 11:24 PM
ya u got 3rd in WBC , that was last year right ?That was the past century

karim
05-05-2007, 11:44 PM
haha.....ya i was being sarcastic

Czarkazem13
05-06-2007, 01:11 AM
1. Israel - oh wait, they play in Europe.:D
Ok:
1. China
2. Lebanon
3. Philippines
4. South Korea

asapa11
05-06-2007, 01:46 AM
last i heard qatar was going naturalize ex-nba player jabari smith . is he really qatari or just another naturalized player.

CHINA TEAM
05-06-2007, 02:29 AM
Pleae,stop talking about ur NT like that,give us a real new informations about phillippino NT and do not telling us ur achievement and ur old power.And about the 2 games who phillippine won over lebanon,don't forget it's a friendly ,in this time lebanese was preparing herself to WCC.:p
Yes,those are past,we only care for-NOW,Hungary is very stronger in Soccer in last century,but what about now?so,don't always tell us ur achievement and ur old power......as for"you are top3 in wcc",that is past...

vladski
05-06-2007, 06:33 AM
Well we can say that lebanon and phillippines are both winning games.....Lebanon won against Venezuala and France in the WBC last year while philippines is winning on division 2 NCAA teams , i wonder who would win in a bball game , an NCAA division 2 team or France NT ? common philippines play some real warm up games not against division 3 and bryon russel(980 yrs old) teams :)


No wonder why you looked down the philippine team...
because of lack of informations... or shall i say misinformed??? hehehe

We played againt US NCAA Div II and Div I.
We played against USBL pro selection squad.

We beat the No. 2 (Lebanon)in asia last year twice in a row.
Was it an exhibition game? I think so... but how many times we have beaten Lebanon in international competion??? take a guess or u want to search the net??? hehehe...

I know how lebanon and the rest of the teams in asia play... the quality and the brand of basketball they have too... you should have watched how our NT slammed the WBC bound Lebanon last year when they played against our ragtag team which was assembled only 2-3 days before the game just to play the Lebs NT..... ohhhh men... fahdi khatib cried like a baby when his team was scrambling for defense against our guys especially in game 1.

in game 2 he cried again and walked out... hehehe... good thing the Lebs NT manager was there to call them back in and finish the game... what a loser...

And what about the american coach??? He said he's longing to coach here in the philippines... he likes the kind of game and the quakity of basketball and talens the players have here... ohhh.... he's more than willing to leave the Lebanon NT just to coach for a ball club in Philippines... what a shame... and this same coach did all the arrangements just to play with RP team... in fact no ball clubs were available that time... so we assemble only those who can play against Lebs just to help them prepare for the 2006 WBC in Japan... He knows where to go for training...

I f you were the coach, would you go against a weaker or infirior opponents for your teams training???? i dont think so....

This American coach erally knows basketball....




let's us see this coming Tehran Fiba Chamionship Cup this May 12-20, 2007 (if i am not mistaken...hehehe)

vladski
05-06-2007, 06:40 AM
ya u got 3rd in WBC , that was last year right ?


hahaha...very funny...

and do you have anything to be proud of for your NT???

hahaha... it will take years man... or may be not anymore...

you have prove nothing yet so stop bulying our achievements... anyway it still recognize in the history of World BAsketball...

So if you have nothing to say about your NT's achievements... just swallow your pride that we were once a king in basketball in asia...

daniab
05-06-2007, 06:48 AM
hahaha...very funny...

and do you have anything to be proud of for your NT???

hahaha... it will take years man... or may be not anymore...

you have prove nothing yet so stop bulying our achievements... anyway it still recognize in the history of World BAsketball...

So if you have nothing to say about your NT's achievements... just swallow your pride that we were once a king in basketball in asia...

Yeah vladski,we are proud of Lebanese NT,we won over france and this team is the 5th in WCC,don't forget we as Lebanese every year we have a war and politics problems so Lebanese NT with all my respect to Phillippine is much better than phillippine in last 7 years,we are wainting asian championship in tokushima if phillippine win ,we will congratulat the philippino members.Don't be surely 100 % about ur NT not because just lebanon,many teams will participate in asia 2007 have a strong players like quatar ,jordan,japan and others.

SkyWalker
05-06-2007, 06:49 AM
Well we can say that lebanon and phillippines are both winning games.....Lebanon won against Venezuala and France in the WBC last year while philippines is winning on division 2 NCAA teams , i wonder who would win in a bball game , an NCAA division 2 team or France NT ? common philippines play some real warm up games not against division 3 and bryon russel(980 yrs old) teams :)

:D here is something you should understand. lets say a kindergarten logical question.hehehe

Philippines beat Lebanon twice with a ragtag team, but Philippines didnt play in WBC.
Lebanon beat France and Venezuela with Full-players on their roster, but Lebanon was beaten by the Philippines twice by a ragtag team. So i can assume, with that kindergarten logic of mine, that Phils can beat France and Lebanon. who'll agree or disagree with me? hahaha.. :D

now, what makes sense to you now, playing and beating a Div1 school whose players are NBA caliber or playing and beating a team whose boasting they're good, but you have beaten them twice by a not-so-prepared team. haha, now think.:D :p

better ask Khatib and Fahed how good Filipino players are. hahaha.. go on.. COMMON? hahahahahahaha.. come on!! haha

vladski
05-06-2007, 06:50 AM
Yes,those are past,we only care for-NOW,Hungary is very stronger in Soccer in last century,but what about now?so,don't always tell us ur achievement and ur old power......as for"you are top3 in wcc",that is past...



We will beat you. HAHAHA....


Where are your NT's achievements in international basketball????

yes your NT is presently Asia's powerhouse... but it will not be long... S. KOrea has beaten you a couple of times already... that means your team is not indispensable...

WE WILL BEAT YOU!!!!

daniab
05-06-2007, 06:52 AM
last i heard qatar was going naturalize ex-nba player jabari smith . is he really qatari or just another naturalized player.

Naturalized player,i was trying to find informations about jabari,he's a good player,i think quatar with jabari is much better than Quatar NT 2005.

CHINA TEAM
05-06-2007, 06:53 AM
We will beat you. HAHAHA....


Where are your NT's achievements in international basketball????

yes your NT is presently Asia's powerhouse... but it will not be long... S. KOrea has beaten you a couple of times already... that means your team is not indispensable...

WE WILL BEAT YOU!!!!
You'll beat us???nice dream............

you'd better beat lebanon at first........can you?china b team will beat you,you'll never win!!!

vladski
05-06-2007, 07:06 AM
Yeah vladski,we are proud of Lebanese NT,we won over france and this team is the 5th in WCC,don't forget we as Lebanese every year we have a war and politics problems so Lebanese NT with all my respect to Phillippine is much better than phillippine in last 7 years,we are wainting asian championship in tokushima if phillippine win ,we will congratulat the philippino members.Don't be surely 100 % about ur NT not because just lebanon,many teams will participate in asia 2007 have a strong players like quatar ,jordan,japan and others.


Yeah right daniab... you may have beaten France same as we have beaten your team...hehehe

Remeber that in the past few years we were absent in international competitions because of the FIBA suspension on philippines... as a result we are not allowed to play international basketball sanctioned by FIBA.

FOr your information... the teams we sent in ABC and Fiba ASIA Chamionships were class C & D only... we sent Class A teams in Asian Games only in 1990 where we lost to China in the finals, 1994 in Japan, 1998 in Korea...

all other games we have squads of Class C & D.... the reason .... because of the unavailability of the players because of the calendar in our own ball club tournament... recently PBA (Philippine Basketball Association) changed the calendar for us to be able to participate in international competition... this means we will have time to prepare our national team to compete internationally.

Honestly, the teams we are watching closely in asia aside from China is SOUTH KOREA only... But of course we are not brushing off the capability of the other teams such as Japan and Lebanon... according to the coaching staff of RP and its scouting team...

Lebanon, i guess is one of the best team in asia... but we are not weary about this team... as we have contineously beaten this team in the past...
We are a little beat worried about the Koreans... they play fast basketball with tremendous shooting power.

CHINA TEAM
05-06-2007, 07:06 AM
We will beat you. HAHAHA....


Where are your NT's achievements in international basketball????

yes your NT is presently Asia's powerhouse... but it will not be long... S. KOrea has beaten you a couple of times already... that means your team is not indispensable...

WE WILL BEAT YOU!!!!


Haha,are you child???

why do you always tell us your pastpower and "achievements"?DON'T forget how many teams in 1950-1960,and how many teams in 2004;2006!we were the one of top 16 in 2006 wc and top8 in 2004 Olympic games!and lebanon had also beat 2 teams...where were you philimpines???

so those only to indicate:~you are not very power now,you only say your past again and again and again!!!do you know china 93:49 s.korea in 2005 doha???you said that"yes your NT is presently Asia's powerhouse... but it will not be long... S. KOrea has beaten you a couple of times already",but why are we send"B team"???because your philipines level is not enough to pk "A team"!!!

and ,you can 't beat chinese Taipei,how to beat us?joke!!!we have 3NBA players,what about you?>??

http://www.huitong.gov.cn/News/UploadFiles_2006/200608/20060824155125926.jpg

http://img.sports.tom.com/img/assets/200408/0408240430300823-shuaijiao51.jpg

Projectspeed
05-06-2007, 07:15 AM
Stop talking :D :p

let the FIBA-Asia Championship in Japan do the talking:cool:

vladski
05-06-2007, 07:29 AM
Please read the interview with one of the European Coaches with his assesment ot Philippine Team and the Chinese:

Philippine National Team head coach Chot Reyes said recently that Manila visitor Alan Richardson of England is arranging a series of at least five games against Serbian Division I clubs in Belgrade in late June before the nationals play in the Qatar Invitationals on July 5-10 and a Manila pocket tournament on July 15-20 leading to the Tokushima joust.

Richardson said playing against rugged European players will toughen the Filipino cagers for the FIBA-Asia Championships.

"Europeans are bigger and stronger than most Asians and play a very physical game," said Richardson. "If the Filipinos can hold their own against the Serbs, it'll be easy beating teams like Qatar and Lebanon which play the international style. I think the Philippines is competitive against China but I understand coach Chot is wary of the Koreans because they're bringing in a new team."

CHINA TEAM
05-06-2007, 07:35 AM
Please not to change talking-point !Your"achievements"are all past!now,you can't beat Chinese taipei,how to beat us???

I agree Projectspeed said!

in basket,strength is everything,not jealousy,
vladski

!!!

CHINA TEAM
05-06-2007, 07:38 AM
ya u got 3rd in WBC , that was last year right ?
They got 3rd in WBC,in last century,but don't forget: how manys teams were there in that year???:confused:

ros
05-06-2007, 07:51 AM
I understand why my fellow countrymen are acting so proud and at times chlidish coz we haven't played internationally for 2 years now and its just that they have so much faith for our RP team.

IMO, i still worry of our chances this coming FIBA-Asia Championships although I think this is the best team that the RP has sent. I'll pray for their success. Goodluck RP team....Mabuhay!!!

The 3 B's of Filipino Sports
Basketball - ?
Boxing - World Class (w/ a hall of famer)
Billiards - World Class

vladski
05-06-2007, 08:02 AM
Haha,are you child???

why do you always tell us your pastpower and "achievements"?DON'T forget how many teams in 1950-1960,and how many teams in 2004;2006!we were the one of top 16 in 2006 wc and top8 in 2004 Olympic games!and lebanon had also beat 2 teams...where were you philimpines???

We are at our home watching the embarassing games of Chinese against European teams...hahaha

Dont you know what's happening in international basketball????
we were banned by FIBA for 2 years... how do you expect us to play??? misinformed or no information at all????


so those only to indicate:~you are not very power now,you only say your past again and again and again!!!do you know china 93:49 s.korea in 2005 doha???you said that"yes your NT is presently Asia's powerhouse... but it will not be long... S. KOrea has beaten you a couple of times already",but why are we send"B team"???because your philipines level is not enough to pk "A team"!!!

Where is your brain???

the reason why you are sending Team B is because you dont need to play hard and win just to be eligible to play for 2008 beijing Olympics. As a host nation you are already qualified.

Your NT is avoiding to be scouted by other teams...especially Philippines... ask your coach which teams they are most weary to play against??? hehehe and you will get the answer...


and ,you can 't beat chinese Taipei,how to beat us?joke!!!we have 3NBA players,what about you?>??

Chinese Teipei is good but not good enough to paly our TEAM A... remember that we were sending Team C & D in most of the international competitions where we were in the losing end...

Taipei is not the team to beat in asia... it's your team china... we will see you in the finals.... mark my word...

YOur team has nothing to brag... yours is up to asia only...

SkyWalker
05-06-2007, 08:10 AM
Please not to change talking-point !Your"achievements"are all past!now,you can't beat Chinese taipei,how to beat us???

I agree Projectspeed said!

in basket,strength is everything,not jealousy,
vladski

!!!


hahaha.. chinese taipei? i remember, yes we beat them. how to beat you guys, we'll not talk bout it now, perhaps, we'll see this Sept.

hey valdski man, i appreciate you being nationalistic, but for now, lets set aside those things in the past. lets try to concetrate and focus our attention in this years ABC. i agree with you about our achievements in the past, but i, alone cant help you on that, you see, almost everyone in the boards are in the position to disagree and discount all the facts that the Phils once became a bball power. lets hold hands, i will not leave you, in the journey.. hahaha.. iif you know what im sayin.. haha:D

karim
05-06-2007, 10:19 AM
Philipinos philipinos philipionos.......u beat us in 2 exhibition games....ur basketball life shouldnt revolve around a bronze medal at WBC in 1950 or a friendly game win....u should look to the future......now u have to win in an international game....u should start with malaysia,than hongkong than move ur way up...hopefully u can beat a team like syria in the end :p We lebanese are proud of our win against france just like u guys are proud of ur win against us...but we dont say that we are better than france just cuz we beat them in a game just like u guys shouldnt say ur better than us just cuz u beat us in a game.....even though our game was in WBC , urs was a friendly game on ur homecourt :) now thats logic and every member here whos not a philipino will agree with me

vladski
05-06-2007, 10:31 AM
i dont really brush off our past achievements and i really admire it and acknowledge it. but what i believe that we should do is to put these achievements on our trophy cases and use it to inspire us. then we should start from scratch and acknowledge the fact the we arent the best right NOW and take the necessary steps to get back our glory here in asia then the world. coz we dont really know if we can make it happen all over again.
That's what im trying to say.. we were once the best in this part of the world... i dont think the way we play basketball is inferior tha the rest of the team in asia... all we need is ample to time to assemble and train as a team. individual talent and skill wise, i believe that Philippine cagers are the most talented in asia... but basketball is a team competion... and we have players assembled in few weeks before the actual competitions... what do you expect to happen??? we dont lack the talent and the skills... we lack the time to build a team for international competitions...



the level of competition right now is very much different from the 50's and the 80's, basketball has evolved all around the world, and achieving or past achievements again would be nearly impossible as it is every countries goal to surpass these achievements. and i bet that it is also nearly impossible for our RP nt to repeat these achievements. because of countries having a very deep budget and limitless resources.

Only the rules changed... the level... i guess is much the same because during the time all those who played basketball use the same rules.


i'd say that we ARE the best in asia if we could prove that we could win it all again, but with Lebanon, South Korea, Qatar, China and a whole lot of NTs aiming to be the best, we are far from being the best right now. as history shows we have not been asian champions for the last 10 asian games competitions and also for the last 8 fiba asia basketball competitions. so clearly these proves the we arent the best right now. you could say that we WERE the best in Asia, but you cant say the we ARE the best in asia right now.
im not saying that we are the best in asia nowadays...
i think your data is wrong.. we captured the gold in 1985.
as i have said... we only send Class A Teams in Asian games...
ABC and other tournaments, we sent Class C & D...
ANd these people are judging the performance of our present team from our Class C & D teams who competed in international tournament such as ABC...


anyways, despite or arguments, i still believe in our RP Nt and with china sending their team B our chances of being champs this year may be a lot more possible.

dont get me wrong, but i just respect opposing NTs so much that you cant just disregard how much they could match well against our RP team. thinking that we could just beat them all is just an act of ignorance.

As i am saying here... we can beat teams like Lebanon, Japan or Qatar easily... as per my assesment of all these teams not only because i love Philipines to win. We have beaten these teams before in exhibition games with our Class A players. Eshibition games only because our Class A team from PBA were not able to join because of its own tournament schedules.

I cannot blame this peole why they look down the present Philippine Team. They have based their judgment from the previous teams we sent in international competitions which were Class C & D from PBL & MBA which are far more inferiors compared to our Class A players from PBA.

We even made good impressions to US Basketball League (USBL) a profesional basketball League in the US on how the RP NAtionals play and its talent in basketball when they played in the US soil in April 2007.

I believe that these people are misjudging our present NT. Well, as i have said... we will make a good surprise for the these teams who neglected our prowess in basketball.

Mine is a fair and square assesment... i've seen Lebanon, Qatar, Iran, japan kind of game and brand of basketball... and the way our NT is palying and preparing now... we should not have any problems beating these teams...

The team to watch out are still China and South Korea...
They have been the pain in the ass for years for Philippine Team.

vladski
05-06-2007, 10:31 AM
I agree with you,those are past,we only care for-NOW


Okay guys.. you want to talk about the present time of basketball???

1. How many times your NT entered in WOrld Basketball Championship?
2. How many Finals apperances you have in WBC?
3. How many medals your NT got in WBC?
4. THe highest place your NT has achieved in WBC?
5. Same questions goes for the Olympics competitions.

FOr the record, only ten (10) nations got medals in WBC , namely:

Gold-SIlver-Bronze
1. Yoguslavia 5 - 3 2
2. USA 3 3 3
3. Soviet Union 3 3 2
4. Brazil 2 2 2
5. Argentina 1 1 0
6. Russia 0 2 0
7.Chile 0 0 0
8. Philippines 0 0 1
9. Croatia 0 0 1
10. Germany 0 0 1


Where are those powerhouse and the best team in Asia you are talking about???
Not in the list???
may be because they are not really the best in ASIA...not yet...
The burden of proof is not on our side because we have already proven.

It's about time for this so called powerhouse to show what thy've got in basketball.

Good luck.

vladski
05-06-2007, 10:52 AM
Philipinos philipinos philipionos.......u beat us in 2 exhibition games....ur basketball life shouldnt revolve around a bronze medal at WBC in 1950 or a friendly game win....u should look to the future......now u have to win in an international game....u should start with malaysia,than hongkong than move ur way up...hopefully u can beat a team like syria in the end :p We lebanese are proud of our win against france just like u guys are proud of ur win against us...but we dont say that we are better than france just cuz we beat them in a game just like u guys shouldnt say ur better than us just cuz u beat us in a game.....even though our game was in WBC , urs was a friendly game on ur homecourt :) now thats logic and every member here whos not a philipino will agree with me

Lebanese..Lebanese...Lebanese....

you just learn basketball a few years back.. and we are playing basketball since its inception... Dr. james naismith himself handed the trophie to our team when we won in International Championship Tournament... i hope you know who Dr. james naismith is...hehehe...

The only player who knows basketball in the present Lebanese Team is Fahid Khatib... who cried during the tune up games last year in philippines... and he cried twice in game 1 and two.... hahaha... and he went to WBC in japan to compete losing an exhibition games against a team who that time was banned by FIBA in joining international competition such as the WBC in Japan in 2006. Where if not of the ban imposed to philippines 2 years back... we could have palyed in Japan instead of Lebanon... hehehe... lucky you Lebanese Team...

I dont regard Lebanese NT as a treat to the present Philippine NT...
The reason????
Because on khatib can play basketball... those spectators who have seen games between Lebanon and Phil... they call the Lebanese tean as Khatib Team... because he alone nows how to play.... hehehe... you need a dozen of khatib to match our present NT players... no kidding...
in other words... Your knowledge and skills in basketball are still young...
Yuou should have seen how our PT (point Guard) smashed the ball right to the ring... while your center and khatib had to do is to watch.... hehehe...

We will beat you in the game proper... mark my word...

The only team i really watch out very carefully and has a good chance in beating us aside from China is South Korea...

vladski
05-06-2007, 11:15 AM
Sorry for my misspelled words... my keyboard as always is not working properly... i guess i need to change this one... hehehe

Same goes to "Fadi Al Khatib" sorry for the misspelled name...

vladski
05-06-2007, 11:20 AM
i dont really brush off our past achievements and i really admire it and acknowledge it. but what i believe that we should do is to put these achievements on our trophy cases and use it to inspire us. then we should start from scratch and acknowledge the fact the we arent the best right NOW and take the necessary steps to get back our glory here in asia then the world. coz we dont really know if we can make it happen all over again.
That's what im trying to say.. we were once the best in this part of the world... i dont think the way we play basketball is inferior tha the rest of the team in asia... all we need is ample to time to assemble and train as a team. individual talent and skill wise, i believe that Philippine cagers are the most talented in asia... but basketball is a team competion... and we have players assembled in few weeks before the actual competitions... what do you expect to happen??? we dont lack the talent and the skills... we lack the time to build a team for international competitions...



the level of competition right now is very much different from the 50's and the 80's, basketball has evolved all around the world, and achieving or past achievements again would be nearly impossible as it is every countries goal to surpass these achievements. and i bet that it is also nearly impossible for our RP nt to repeat these achievements. because of countries having a very deep budget and limitless resources.

Only the rules changed... the level... i guess is much the same because during the time all those who played basketball use the same rules.


i'd say that we ARE the best in asia if we could prove that we could win it all again, but with Lebanon, South Korea, Qatar, China and a whole lot of NTs aiming to be the best, we are far from being the best right now. as history shows we have not been asian champions for the last 10 asian games competitions and also for the last 8 fiba asia basketball competitions. so clearly these proves the we arent the best right now. you could say that we WERE the best in Asia, but you cant say the we ARE the best in asia right now.
im not saying that we are the best in asia nowadays...
i think your data is wrong.. we captured the gold in 1985.
as i have said... we only send Class A Teams in Asian games...
ABC and other tournaments, we sent Class C & D...
ANd these people are judging the performance of our present team from our Class C & D teams who competed in international tournament such as ABC...


anyways, despite or arguments, i still believe in our RP Nt and with china sending their team B our chances of being champs this year may be a lot more possible.

dont get me wrong, but i just respect opposing NTs so much that you cant just disregard how much they could match well against our RP team. thinking that we could just beat them all is just an act of ignorance.

As i am saying here... we can beat teams like Lebanon, Japan or Qatar easily... as per my assesment of all these teams not only because i love Philipines to win. We have beaten these teams before in exhibition games with our Class A players. Eshibition games only because our Class A team from PBA were not able to join because of its own tournament schedules.

I cannot blame this peole why they look down the present Philippine Team. They have based their judgment from the previous teams we sent in international competitions which were Class C & D from PBL & MBA which are far more inferiors compared to our Class A players from PBA.

We even made good impressions to US Basketball League (USBL) a profesional basketball League in the US on how the RP NAtionals play and its talent in basketball when they played in the US soil in April 2007.

I believe that these people are misjudging our present NT. Well, as i have said... we will make a good surprise for the these teams who neglected our prowess in basketball.

Mine is a fair and square assesment... i've seen Lebanon, Qatar, Iran, japan kind of game and brand of basketball... and the way our NT is palying and preparing now... we should not have any problems beating these teams...

The team to watch out are still China and South Korea...
They have been the pain in the ass for years for Philippine Team.

karim
05-06-2007, 01:05 PM
yes philippines ur a very strong team with experience u have earned 2 silver medals in asia championship in the last 5 years and 2 wins at WBC last year....oh sorry that was lebanon :) but to be honest ur win against the NCAA 2nd division team is very impressive !!! watch out teams , not only in asia but all over the world hehe :p with 6'9" center asi and 6'3" power forward i dont no wat his name is , philippines are beasts under the basket

Projectspeed
05-06-2007, 01:53 PM
yes philippines ur a very strong team with experience u have earned 2 silver medals in asia championship in the last 5 years and 2 wins at WBC last year....oh sorry that was lebanon :) but to be honest ur win against the NCAA 2nd division team is very impressive !!! watch out teams , not only in asia but all over the world hehe :p with 6'9" center asi and 6'3" power forward i dont no wat his name is , philippines are beasts under the basket

FYI, just last month bro Karim, we only not won against a NCAA Division 2 school, we also stunned a NCAA Division 1 school (Long Beach State 49ers) and an American BAsketball Association ballclub. Long Beach State 49ers is a very competitive and strong team in the NCAA Division 1. We also recently beat a selection of USBL and ABA selection team.

Height is might as they always say... but don't drag RP team just because of their height because basketball consists of so many factors..... like speed, teamwork, preparation, talent, athletic ability, heart, dedication, hardwork, etc. etc. etc. :cool: :D

ctongco
05-06-2007, 01:56 PM
Not taking anything from the Philippines previous achievements but those are non-bearing. We might have won a lot in the past, which I am proud of, but that was half a century ago. Come on guys, let's stop NT bashing and let's start talking real basketball sense, shall we?

A few talking points we could start with....

1. What are your NTs strong points?
2. What are your NTs weaknesses?
3. How do you think can your NT capitalize on their strong points and minimize their weaknesses?

Projectspeed
05-06-2007, 02:15 PM
:D
FYI, just last month bro Karim, we only not won against a NCAA Division 2 school, we also stunned a NCAA Division 1 school (Long Beach State 49ers) and an American BAsketball Association ballclub. Long Beach State 49ers is a very competitive and strong team in the NCAA Division 1. We also recently beat a selection of USBL and ABA selection team.

Height is might as they always say... but don't drag RP team just because of their height because basketball consists of so many factors..... like speed, teamwork, preparation, talent, athletic ability, heart, dedication, hardwork, etc. etc. etc. :cool: :D

Add this:

In Phil NT 2005 US trip to Global Hoops Summit ...

Phil. NT also performed well against Nigerian National Team. Phil. NT lost only by 6 points, but Nigeria at time are composed of NBA players like Ibekwe and Udoka:D

Nigeria performed well in the last WBC:D

Phil. NT also won convingcingly against a Chinese Pro-squad selection, Aoshen Olympians, which I think is a class B to C Chinese team. 80-65. Holywood Fame team, also a ABA basketball club member, led by Byron Russell which the Phil NT team also beat last month is much better than this Aoshen club, I think.:D

And the best of it is that, we also won against Long Beach Jam team, which was the 2004 American Basketball Association Champion and the defending ABA champion at that time....
:D

We're not just bragging about the Phil NT two wins against Lebanon :D

And please note... this 2005 RP team, is probabably weaker than our current NT:D

Peace

Phantim3dx
05-06-2007, 02:31 PM
Not taking anything from the Philippines previous achievements but those are non-bearing. We might have won a lot in the past, which I am proud of, but that was half a century ago. Come on guys, let's stop NT bashing and let's start talking real basketball sense, shall we?

A few talking points we could start with....

1. What are your NTs strong points?
2. What are your NTs weaknesses?
3. How do you think can your NT capitalize on their strong points and minimize their weaknesses?


when will the disillusioned learn when when they see the light, as u and i have seen.

also the 49ers are not a strong stable team in div 1 ncaa play. so what they made the big dance last tourney. didnt fullerton take out the phil nt squad? 49ers are nto a strong enoguh squad with a history to say "look we beat them we are good" no if u put duke, unc, texas, indiana, syracuse(who plays more intl style of play) then yeah i would have something to cheer on and say yesu make a valid point. just for the lvoe of god and past century worshipping to my fellow ancesters on this board stop saying whose dick is bigger thru past accomplishments...dwell on the present and worry about the future of what we can do and how we can prepare to be competitive in a globalizing sport

asapa11
05-06-2007, 02:45 PM
1966 - 6th (4-3)
1970 - 5th (4-4)
1974 - 4th
1978 - 5th
1982 - 4th
1986 - Bronze (3rd) (2-2)
1990 - Silver (2nd) (4-2)
1994 - 4th (3-3)
1998 - Bronze (3rd) (5-2)
2002 - 4th
2006 - Did not participate (suspended by FIBA)


isnt that the last 11 asian games? i dont see any gold medals there..


1987 - 4th
1989 - 8th
1991 - 7th
1993 - 11th
1995 - 12th
1997 - 9th
1999 - 11th
2001 - Qualified but did not participate (suspended by FIBA)
2003 - 15th
2005 - Did not qualify

isnt that also the last 10 fiba asia basketball championships? no medals at all.. what's wrong about my facts... of course i know our history, ive read it again and again from different sources.. plus u just posted it...


and we have players assembled in few weeks before the actual competitions... what do you expect to happen??? we dont lack the talent and the skills... we lack the time to build a team for international competitions...

in case you dont remember our 1994 RPteam ,1998 PBA centinnial team, and the 2002 RP team were formed months before the asian games, but still we'd come up short.. i know a month or two is still not enough. although i agree that preparation time is really needed for our team to really start playing like a real champion team. and it could be an excuse, but still its entirely our fault, if we are the best in asia then our preparation should've been for the best.


Only the rules changed rules changed... the level... i guess is much the same because during the time all those who played basketball use the same rules.

what? basketball influence in other asian countries werent as influential as it is today. obviously other asian countries have learned to love basketball as much as we do. countries like taiwan, japan and korea were also very much influenced by the anime series slam dunk which featured an underdog team making it all the way to finals. after that basketball in asia has been bigger than what it used to be. in my opinion basketball now is really close to becoming the most popular sport in the world... thus, making other countries strive more to win in these sport, just like how crazy the world is with soccer/futbol.


im not saying that we are the best in asia nowadays...
i think your data is wrong.. we captured the gold in 1985.
as i have said... we only send Class A Teams in Asian games...
ABC and other tournaments, we sent Class C & D...
ANd these people are judging the performance of our present team from our Class C & D teams who competed in international tournament such as ABC...

i agree with you that our rp team is really underrated. but again thats our fault, its because of our poor international basketball program, thus, these further prove that we arent the best.
maybe now that a few things have been fixed in our international basketball program then maybe we could make our wayto being the best, but not yet as of now.


As i am saying here... we can beat teams like Lebanon, Japan or Qatar easily... as per my assesment of all these teams not only because i love Philipines to win. We have beaten these teams before in exhibition games with our Class A players. Eshibition games only because our Class A team from PBA were not able to join because of its own tournament schedules.


Mine is a fair and square assesment... i've seen Lebanon, Qatar, Iran, japan kind of game and brand of basketball... and the way our NT is palying and preparing now... we should not have any problems beating these teams...

EASILY??? NO PROBLEMS?? are you sure? i dont think so. although i really do hope that we beat them, but saying that beating them easily is just too much. although we may have beaten qatar in numerous occassions with big margins, we still cant say if we can beat them easily right now, coz, just like our team, their team has evolved, not to mention naturalizing galore which gives them a whole lot of an advantage. also, they have beaten Korea in the past FIBA asia tournament, korea is a team that we havent beaten for a very long time. as for japan, they have had experience in the recent WBC and may have learned a lot from that, also, we have beaten japan in the past, but not easily. and as for lebanon, we beat them in two exhibition games, i expect them to be looking for revenge...

so much for fair and square..

i believe we cant really tell yet on who's gonna beat who in the coming tournament.


I cannot blame this peole why they look down the present Philippine Team. They have based their judgment from the previous teams we sent in international competitions which were Class C & D from PBL & MBA which are far more inferiors compared to our Class A players from PBA.

are you referring to me? i dont even look at our team C and D... i have always looked up and compared other teams to our team A, the team we send in the asian games, and yet we havent won it all lately thats
why i say we arent the best. and how dare you call our team C & D inferiors? i dont look down on our RP team i just dont look very much up high to them but i do look up to them.


We even made good impressions to US Basketball League (USBL) a profesional basketball League in the US on how the RP NAtionals play and its talent in basketball when they played in the US soil in April 2007.

I believe that these people are misjudging our present NT. Well, as i have said... we will make a good surprise for the these teams who neglected our prowess in basketball.

Of course those victories also gave me a good impression on our national team, and also it made me confident that we may be soon ready for the fiba asia tournament. but those wins doesnt tell anything about our opponents.

i believe that our RP team will really perform well this comming tournament and really could win it all. but we really wont know for sure.

thinking and believing that we'll make it through to the finals EASILY may just leave us dissappointed and humiliated. but respecting our opponents and acknowledging well on what they can do can help us make better judgements on our NT and other opposing NTs.

asapa11
05-06-2007, 02:55 PM
1966 - 6th (4-3)
1970 - 5th (4-4)
1974 - 4th
1978 - 5th
1982 - 4th
1986 - Bronze (3rd) (2-2)
1990 - Silver (2nd) (4-2)
1994 - 4th (3-3)
1998 - Bronze (3rd) (5-2)
2002 - 4th
2006 - Did not participate (suspended by FIBA)


isnt that the last 11 asian games? i dont see any gold medals there..


1987 - 4th
1989 - 8th
1991 - 7th
1993 - 11th
1995 - 12th
1997 - 9th
1999 - 11th
2001 - Qualified but did not participate (suspended by FIBA)
2003 - 15th
2005 - Did not qualify

isnt that also the last 10 fiba asia basketball championships? no medals at all.. what's wrong about my facts... of course i know our history, ive read it again and again from different sources.. plus u just posted it...


and we have players assembled in few weeks before the actual competitions... what do you expect to happen??? we dont lack the talent and the skills... we lack the time to build a team for international competitions...

in case you dont remember our 1994 RPteam ,1998 PBA centinnial team, and the 2002 RP team were formed months before the asian games, but still we'd come up short.. i know a month or two is still not enough. although i agree that preparation time is really needed for our team to really start playing like a real champion team. and it could be an excuse, but still its entirely our fault, if we are the best in asia then our preparation should've been for the best.


Only the rules changed rules changed... the level... i guess is much the same because during the time all those who played basketball use the same rules.

what? basketball influence in other asian countries werent as influential as it is today. obviously other asian countries have learned to love basketball as much as we do. countries like taiwan, japan and korea were also very much influenced by the anime series slam dunk which featured an underdog team making it all the way to finals. after that basketball in asia has been bigger than what it used to be. in my opinion basketball now is really close to becoming the most popular sport in the world... thus, making other countries strive more to win in these sport, just like how crazy the world is with soccer/futbol.


im not saying that we are the best in asia nowadays...
i think your data is wrong.. we captured the gold in 1985.
as i have said... we only send Class A Teams in Asian games...
ABC and other tournaments, we sent Class C & D...
ANd these people are judging the performance of our present team from our Class C & D teams who competed in international tournament such as ABC...

i agree with you that our rp team is really underrated. but again thats our fault, its because of our poor international basketball program, thus, these further prove that we arent the best.
maybe now that a few things have been fixed in our international basketball program then maybe we could make our wayto being the best, but not yet as of now.


As i am saying here... we can beat teams like Lebanon, Japan or Qatar easily... as per my assesment of all these teams not only because i love Philipines to win. We have beaten these teams before in exhibition games with our Class A players. Eshibition games only because our Class A team from PBA were not able to join because of its own tournament schedules.


Mine is a fair and square assesment... i've seen Lebanon, Qatar, Iran, japan kind of game and brand of basketball... and the way our NT is palying and preparing now... we should not have any problems beating these teams...

EASILY??? NO PROBLEMS?? are you sure? i dont think so. although i really do hope that we beat them, but saying that beating them easily is just too much. although we may have beaten qatar in numerous occassions with big margins, we still cant say if we can beat them easily right now, coz, just like our team, their team has evolved, not to mention naturalizing galore which gives them a whole lot of an advantage. also, they have beaten Korea in the past FIBA asia tournament, korea is a team that we havent beaten for a very long time. as for japan, they have had experience in the recent WBC and may have learned a lot from that, also, we have beaten japan in the past, but not easily. and as for lebanon, we beat them in two exhibition games, i expect them to be looking for revenge...

so much for fair and square..

i believe we cant really tell yet on who's gonna beat who in the coming tournament.


I cannot blame this peole why they look down the present Philippine Team. They have based their judgment from the previous teams we sent in international competitions which were Class C & D from PBL & MBA which are far more inferiors compared to our Class A players from PBA.

are you referring to me? i dont even look at our team C and D... i have always looked up and compared other teams to our team A, the team we send in the asian games, and yet we havent won it all lately thats
why i say we arent the best. and how dare you call our team C & D inferiors? i dont look down on our RP team i just dont look very much up high to them but i do look up to them.


We even made good impressions to US Basketball League (USBL) a profesional basketball League in the US on how the RP NAtionals play and its talent in basketball when they played in the US soil in April 2007.

I believe that these people are misjudging our present NT. Well, as i have said... we will make a good surprise for the these teams who neglected our prowess in basketball.

Of course those victories also gave me a good impression on our national team, and also it made me confident that we may be soon ready for the fiba asia tournament. but those wins doesnt tell anything about our opponents.

i believe that our RP team will really perform well this comming tournament and really could win it all. but we really wont know for sure.

thinking and believing that we'll make it through to the finals EASILY may just leave us dissappointed and humiliated. but respecting our opponents and acknowledging well on what they can do can help us make better judgements on our NT and other opposing NTs.

asapa11
05-06-2007, 03:00 PM
Okay guys.. you want to talk about the present time of basketball???

1. How many times your NT entered in WOrld Basketball Championship?
2. How many Finals apperances you have in WBC?
3. How many medals your NT got in WBC?
4. THe highest place your NT has achieved in WBC?
5. Same questions goes for the Olympics competitions.

FOr the record, only ten (10) nations got medals in WBC , namely:

Gold-SIlver-Bronze
1. Yoguslavia 5 - 3 2
2. USA 3 3 3
3. Soviet Union 3 3 2
4. Brazil 2 2 2
5. Argentina 1 1 0
6. Russia 0 2 0
7.Chile 0 0 0
8. Philippines 0 0 1
9. Croatia 0 0 1
10. Germany 0 0 1


Where are those powerhouse and the best team in Asia you are talking about???
Not in the list???
may be because they are not really the best in ASIA...not yet...
The burden of proof is not on our side because we have already proven.

It's about time for this so called powerhouse to show what thy've got in basketball.

Good luck.

you really are living in the past arent you? what so present time with your questions?

jrb0yd
05-06-2007, 03:12 PM
whoa...c'mon guys... well to the new members here(to my fellow pinoys), u guys need not to say all these things... why? because me and other filipinos who have been in this forum for so long, have already proven our point about our NT with all these non believers... when we were still new in this forum, we were also like you guys... we try to tell them that our team is really good but u know we can't blame them because they haven't seen our NT in action... that's why we need to wait till july... i can understand your passion and love for our NT... we are all very excited...

and just for a quick recap to some people here who doesn't know about our present NT here it goes... first, the past 2 years you guys all know that we got suspended... the same goes on the composition of the TEAM A NT of philippines... our roster in the last 2 years composed of around 30 players... and of these 30 players, most of our superstars were not there... danny seigle was injured while caguioa begged off from joining... so in the past 2 years it was a problem for us... the only international tournaments we joined were those that are not fiba sanctioned like jones cup and brunei cup and a couple of tuneup games... but in these games we only send a combination of aspirants, inexperience players and a couple of shoo-ins for team A... so in short, we didn't have our best team... we didn't have our best team when we lost taiwan, when we beat long beach jams of ABA, qatar, lebanon, us legends with ncaa players and when we won the brunei cup twice... im not bragging but its the truth...

just last march, we finally got a NT that we can call a "team"... our team can be called small but most of them are multidimensional players... plus we have a coach who knows how to play the international game... and to add to that, he is being assisted by the past coaches of our NT... 1994 nt coach norman black, 1998 NT coach tim cone and 2002 NT coach jong uichico... rp is very hungry and is raring to play... in our team, only asi taulava cannot shoot the three although there was a time that he shoots it well...

in our present lineup, we only have 11 players in our NT because the 6'4 forward that u are saying begged off because of his scheduled wedding so the 12th spot is still vacant... part of the training of our NT was a trip in US... in the us training, we only had 11 players... in this trip, we had some tuneup games with ncaa teams and an aba team... our record in the tuneup games was 4wins 2 losses... of our 4 wins we won against an ncaa div.1 team and an aba team... but it really doesn't matter because the rp team came there to learn, winning is just a consolation... but to think that our NT(which was just formed last march) beat some teams that have been playing for so long proves something... the same goes when we beat lebanon twice last year... at present, rp hasn't even reach its peak yet but it is already showing some promise... i don't want to be overconfident or what but i tell guys rp will be definitely pose a big threat to any asian team... we filipinos are not saying these stuffs if we don't believe it and if our team is not really good... we promise a good showing...

anyway lebanese, aren't you alarm? i mean you have a new coach and then i understand your NT is still not yet practicing? its just 2 months before the tournament... or maybe you are used to that since most of the players in your NT are already familiar with each other? here in the philippines, our local league pba pulled out all the 11 players from their respective mother teams so that they will be focus on the NT... and they have been practicing for about 2 months now...

SkyWalker
05-06-2007, 03:15 PM
Okay guys.. you want to talk about the present time of basketball???

1. How many times your NT entered in WOrld Basketball Championship?
2. How many Finals apperances you have in WBC?
3. How many medals your NT got in WBC?
4. THe highest place your NT has achieved in WBC?
5. Same questions goes for the Olympics competitions.

FOr the record, only ten (10) nations got medals in WBC , namely:

Gold-SIlver-Bronze
1. Yoguslavia 5 - 3 2
2. USA 3 3 3
3. Soviet Union 3 3 2
4. Brazil 2 2 2
5. Argentina 1 1 0
6. Russia 0 2 0
7.Chile 0 0 0
8. Philippines 0 0 1
9. Croatia 0 0 1
10. Germany 0 0 1


Where are those powerhouse and the best team in Asia you are talking about???
Not in the list???
may be because they are not really the best in ASIA...not yet...
The burden of proof is not on our side because we have already proven.

It's about time for this so called powerhouse to show what thy've got in basketball.

Good luck.


hahaha.. this is cool. you hit the apple.

SkyWalker
05-06-2007, 03:20 PM
yes philippines ur a very strong team with experience u have earned 2 silver medals in asia championship in the last 5 years and 2 wins at WBC last year....oh sorry that was lebanon :) but to be honest ur win against the NCAA 2nd division team is very impressive !!! watch out teams , not only in asia but all over the world hehe :p with 6'9" center asi and 6'3" power forward i dont no wat his name is , philippines are beasts under the basket

ive been telling my countrymen to stop bringing our past achievements, but hell man, you're provoking me, again and again. hahaha. yeah, we have a small lineup, we do have 6'3 forwards. but then again, i want you to remember, and keep in mind, that those 6'3 forwards, kicked the ass of 6'5 khatib, 7'0 Vogel
6'9 samaha. hahaha...:D :p now, thats funny.

jrb0yd
05-06-2007, 03:23 PM
ive been telling my countrymen to stop bringing our past achievements, but hell man, you're provoking me, again and again. hahaha. yeah, we have a small lineup, we do have 6'3 forwards. but then again, i want you to remember, and keep in mind, that those 6'3 forwards, kicked the ass of 6'5 khatib, 7'0 Vogel
6'9 samaha. hahaha...:D :p now, thats funny.

haha... dead on... :D

Phantim3dx
05-06-2007, 04:13 PM
listen to the wise and humble asapa11 to the newcomers on this thread. lets not make the asian threads a flame war; if you want then then go to asiabasket not here.

be humble not bark big unless youve got something to back it up on a recent event; only way others will give u respect is if you can back up the big bark. gotta crawl first before you walk. that's all im saying here; i assume others perhaps like asapa11 and others in this thread feel the same way. cool it with the we did this we did that stuff. when it comes tt he tourney we'll see what actually happens.

theres two main possible things that could come out of it you know.

1. others from asia will be more humbled and respectful(at the same time practice harder) because we succeeded so well
2. we are taken out early and our big bark will come back to haunt us guys.

be humble while showing support.

Grr_tiger
05-06-2007, 04:34 PM
yes, we have a rich basketball history and no one could ever take it away from us. but we have to consider the present situation.


it's like saying that the Boston Celtics is still the best franchise in the NBA because it has won more titles than anyone else. but right now, who cares?


we reminisce the past. however, we are living in the present and that's what counts NOW.


so the best thing to do is stop bragging about the past, enjoy the ride, and wait til the final buzzer sounds.

if we win, then hooray. if not, then we'll just take the lessons we've learned and move on. it's as simple as that.

jramoyo
05-06-2007, 05:15 PM
I'm thinking that Lib would probably win this coming Asian Championship... Philippines might place 2nd or 3rd (depending on how China B plays) or 4th if really really unlucky...

I have a pretty good assessment on how the Philippines would fair against Lebanon (well matched, but Lebanon has an edge in height and experience), it's the Qatar and China B teams whom I'm worried really about...

So I guess my call:
1 China
2 Lebanon
3 Philippines
4 Qatar (I haven't heard much from South Korea that's why)

karim
05-06-2007, 10:39 PM
well said jramoyo this is exactly how things r gonna happen :p

jramoyo
05-07-2007, 12:24 AM
well said jramoyo this is exactly how things r gonna happen :p

I knew you'd say that but yeah... whatever...

CHINA TEAM
05-07-2007, 12:25 AM
We are at our home watching the embarassing games of Chinese against European teams...hahaha

Dont you know what's happening in international basketball????
we were banned by FIBA for 2 years... how do you expect us to play??? misinformed or no information at all????



Where is your brain???

the reason why you are sending Team B is because you dont need to play hard and win just to be eligible to play for 2008 beijing Olympics. As a host nation you are already qualified.

Your NT is avoiding to be scouted by other teams...especially Philippines... ask your coach which teams they are most weary to play against??? hehehe and you will get the answer...



Chinese Teipei is good but not good enough to paly our TEAM A... remember that we were sending Team C & D in most of the international competitions where we were in the losing end...

Taipei is not the team to beat in asia... it's your team china... we will see you in the finals.... mark my word...

YOur team has nothing to brag... yours is up to asia only...


Haha,funny!!!!


The Philippines has obtained the world third good result, but that only was appears briefly!! Even the very many Asian fans all did not know at all, also does not acknowledge!! But our China NT enters eight strong topics repeatedly at the Olympic Games and the international championship then often loves to talk about by the Asian fan discussion!! This is two team's biggest difference!! Does not have the inside story team is impossible to dominate for a long time Asian Basketball world!! Moreover also asks you Philippine not to have always to say our China NT dominates Asia is for a long time because they repeatedly have not sent out the strongest PBA player to participate(that is biggest fun!!!)!! But in 1998 the Asian Games we the Chinese men's basketball team has won at the semi-final by A lvin Patrimonio, Allan Caidic, Johnny the Abarrientos leading signer Philippines team of 8 minutes hundred year dream!!

You more emphasized the past the glory more showed your reality the helpless! As far as I know the Philippine basketball besides the dirty petty action on only then the pitiful speed,and You only can depend upon the hybrid member, does not have the height, does not have the technology…We may dominate at least Asia, later we also will be the world crack force, but you forever only could live in the past recollection! ~ I sympathize with you

You such match simply is not worth respecting!!!Because you have not respected the match the tutelage



Last to you:I am thinking what should i say when CHINA b team beat you...and what will you say ...hahaha!!!!you 'll never win!You do not match make our Rival!!!Asian two-three class team

Projectspeed
05-07-2007, 03:33 AM
when will the disillusioned learn when when they see the light, as u and i have seen.

also the 49ers are not a strong stable team in div 1 ncaa play. so what they made the big dance last tourney. didnt fullerton take out the phil nt squad? 49ers are nto a strong enoguh squad with a history to say "look we beat them we are good" no if u put duke, unc, texas, indiana, syracuse(who plays more intl style of play) then yeah i would have something to cheer on and say yesu make a valid point. just for the lvoe of god and past century worshipping to my fellow ancesters on this board stop saying whose dick is bigger thru past accomplishments...dwell on the present and worry about the future of what we can do and how we can prepare to be competitive in a globalizing sport


haha....
you don't get my point Fil-foreigno:D

jrb0yd
05-07-2007, 03:59 AM
well said jramoyo this is exactly how things r gonna happen :p

only in dreams... its too early to tell... rp team hasn't even reach its peak yet while lebanon is still not preparing for the abc... it will boil down on which team is more prepared and focused... to finish this... rp will really have a hard time against fadi el khatib, i mean lebanon hehe... the same as lebanon will have a hard time with our team, well that is if ever they will face one another... right now im worried on the other countries especially south korea...


Haha,funny!!!!


The Philippines has obtained the world third good result, but that only was appears briefly!! Even the very many Asian fans all did not know at all, also does not acknowledge!! But our China NT enters eight strong topics repeatedly at the Olympic Games and the international championship then often loves to talk about by the Asian fan discussion!! This is two team's biggest difference!! Does not have the inside story team is impossible to dominate for a long time Asian Basketball world!! Moreover also asks you Philippine not to have always to say our China NT dominates Asia is for a long time because they repeatedly have not sent out the strongest PBA player to participate(that is biggest fun!!!)!! But in 1998 the Asian Games we the Chinese men's basketball team has won at the semi-final by A lvin Patrimonio, Allan Caidic, Johnny the Abarrientos leading signer Philippines team of 8 minutes hundred year dream!!

You more emphasized the past the glory more showed your reality the helpless! As far as I know the Philippine basketball besides the dirty petty action on only then the pitiful speed,and You only can depend upon the hybrid member, does not have the height, does not have the technology…We may dominate at least Asia, later we also will be the world crack force, but you forever only could live in the past recollection! ~ I sympathize with you

You such match simply is not worth respecting!!!Because you have not respected the match the tutelage



Last to you:I am thinking what should i say when CHINA b team beat you...and what will you say ...hahaha!!!!you 'll never win!You do not match make our Rival!!!Asian two-three class team

im sorry but i hardly understand your message... but did u say it right? we only depend upon the hybrid member, does not have the height, does not have the technology? c'mon... how come our homegrown player mark caguioa always led the team in scoring the same goes to renren ritualo who got the attention of the new jersey nets and the philadelphia 76ers because of his deadly 3pts? does not have height? yes but most of our players are multidimensional... does not have technology? c'mon... the budget alone which was allocated for the training of rp team is more than 1 million dollars... i tell u rp team will have a good showing... we are a darkhorse in this tournament... what u think about rp is really wrong... the entry of rp will give another contender in asia...

Burndvinyard
05-07-2007, 04:32 AM
only in dreams... its too early to tell... rp team hasn't even reach its peak yet while lebanon is still not preparing for the abc... it will boil down on which team is more prepared and focused... to finish this... rp will really have a hard time against fadi el khatib, i mean lebanon hehe... the same as lebanon will have a hard time with our team, well that is if ever they will face one another... right now im worried on the other countries especially south korea...

Man, how about for the record: the PBA All-Stars back in 2000 beat the Asian All Stars composed of Fadi El-Khatib, Eli Mechantaf, Gong Xiao Bin, Zhu Dong, Rommel Adducul, Cheng Chih Lung, etc. at the score of 101-81. Asi Taulava was not yet even in the PBA All-Star line up then. Fadi El Khatib and Rommel Adducul really had their hard moments attacking the basket with Marlou Aquino on the center.

PBA's Eric Menk and Asian All-Stars' Elie Mechantaf both bagged the Sportsmanship Awards. Johnny A. was the game's MVP.

SkyWalker
05-07-2007, 06:13 AM
well said jramoyo this is exactly how things r gonna happen :p

actually, Jramoyo is just joking..:D

Phantim3dx
05-07-2007, 06:21 AM
haha....
you don't get my point Fil-foreigno:D


Yes let's all segregate now those with fil bloodline living somewhere else from the pure blooded ones living back home. we might as well segregate the pure fils from the mestizos and the chinoys in the homeland. while we're @ it might as well ban chinese schools and go on an ethnic cleansing like Indonesia did back in the late 90s against the chinese-indonesians because they didnt get the point of pure indons and they're views of indons first in their homeland. if you havent gotten enough of my sarcasm please let me know, i'll add more.

vladski
05-07-2007, 06:36 AM
you really are living in the past arent you? what so present time with your questions?

You still didn't get it do you???

i am not living in the past achievements of our NT. The point is, i am just showing to these guys that if we were able to make it to the top before, we can make it happen again. I am not saying that we are the best team in asia right now... not yet... may be after this asian championship.

i know what's happening in the arab basketball because im staying in this oil reach land for two years now... and watching their brand of basketball and ours allow me to compare and give assesment on which team could perform well in the upcoming asian chamionship. In this part of the world - arab region... basketball is still way too long to go before it could level the kind of love and the brand of game we are playing in the philippines...

the sudden rise of lebanon and qatar in international basketball is cannot be credited fully to the development of sports in their respective countries... it's because of the naturalized players.

I am just wondering what if the FIBA didn't imposed a ban on us... and we were able to play in international competitions with our Class A players? What would it be??? would there be lebanon and qatar in the WBC???

It's a two year ban... a lot of things could have happened if we were allowed to play...

vladski
05-07-2007, 06:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15x_e0lTyE

Another clip from philippine basketball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovar5rJFm7Y

vladski
05-07-2007, 06:59 AM
Slam Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu4PWy2xpl0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuzA4ddJoXU

SkyWalker
05-07-2007, 07:05 AM
Man, what's this, filipino against filipino?! :confused: come on guys, lets show some unity, they're all laughing at us.:( i thought we're here to kick some asian ass?! looks like we're fond of kicking our own...

vladski
05-07-2007, 07:20 AM
Sample Videos of the game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Mi3-wFSAc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5hEnPMogJ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8ckDsEgDjg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f30RQnkkDQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zAiy3mkOs4

vladski
05-07-2007, 07:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBoY6sSrBko

vladski
05-07-2007, 07:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KohUb8RHKmo

vladski
05-07-2007, 07:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YUrKo3RH0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h41VMFVK2go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYXeBfgJhYk

vladski
05-07-2007, 07:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhPbL9U8g24

vladski
05-07-2007, 09:00 AM
yes, we have a rich basketball history and no one could ever take it away from us. but we have to consider the present situation.


it's like saying that the Boston Celtics is still the best franchise in the NBA because it has won more titles than anyone else. but right now, who cares?


we reminisce the past. however, we are living in the present and that's what counts NOW.


so the best thing to do is stop bragging about the past, enjoy the ride, and wait til the final buzzer sounds.

if we win, then hooray. if not, then we'll just take the lessons we've learned and move on. it's as simple as that.


Achievements are something to be proud of.... it's not about bragging... they call it bragging because they dont have something to be called achievements in International basketball especially in world basketball...

Whi says not we are the best team in asia today??? i didn't say we are the best team in asia today... what i am saying is not there is a big chance we can beat those teams who are considered as strong and competitive...

As i am always saying here... the team that should be watch in international competitions are still China and South Korea... we can find way to beat Lebanon and Qatar... we have proven that so many times already..

and to say that they have improved a lot... did we not improved a lot too??? as for man to man and skill to skill, we are a lot better than the rest of the asian squad...

but as i was saying, basketball is a team competition... we cannot win by simply sending the best pro players in the competition... that's why we PBA commissioner took care of the assignement in representing the country in international competition by lending the PBA players and restructuring the PBA calendar to aligh with the International schedules of tournament...

we are playing against teams that are already playing for so long together as a team... while we are assembling our team only months or so before the competition...

I hope you get my point... past is past but this is something for us to look forward to... that sometime in history we were once the superpower in basketball... that means we were able to pulled it before that means we can make it happen again...

and i know the road to this dream is not a walk in the park... that's why ourteam is preparing very hard for this upcoming asia championship...

to say that we can beat lebanon, qatar and s.korea easily is logically much much easier than beating the red dragon, CHINA.

We almost had a chance the first time we sent our PBA players in China. and slmost in Korea... we fell short... because of lack of preparations but not of quality players...

In fact we have too many quality players... that we can even form another TEAM A.

Projectspeed
05-07-2007, 09:13 AM
Yes let's all segregate now those with fil bloodline living somewhere else from the pure blooded ones living back home. we might as well segregate the pure fils from the mestizos and the chinoys in the homeland. while we're @ it might as well ban chinese schools and go on an ethnic cleansing like Indonesia did back in the late 90s against the chinese-indonesians because they didnt get the point of pure indons and they're views of indons first in their homeland. if you havent gotten enough of my sarcasm please let me know, i'll add more.

you really don't get my point:D

well, if you will add your reply as an another issue... well, my simple answer will be....
bloodline/race is different from citizenship:D
peace:cool:

and it's elementary and not good to discuss about bloodline/races...



Go RP team...:D

daniab
05-07-2007, 09:16 AM
Achievements are something to be proud of.... it's not about bragging... they call it bragging because they dont have something to be called achievements in International basketball especially in world basketball...

Whi says not we are the best team in asia today??? i didn't say we are the best team in asia today... what i am saying is not there is a big chance we can beat those teams who are considered as strong and competitive...

As i am always saying here... the team that should be watch in international competitions are still China and South Korea... we can find way to beat Lebanon and Qatar... we have proven that so many times already..

and to say that they have improved a lot... did we not improved a lot too??? as for man to man and skill to skill, we are a lot better than the rest of the asian squad...

but as i was saying, basketball is a team competition... we cannot win by simply sending the best pro players in the competition... that's why we PBA commissioner took care of the assignement in representing the country in international competition by lending the PBA players and restructuring the PBA calendar to aligh with the International schedules of tournament...

we are playing against teams that are already playing for so long together as a team... while we are assembling our team only months or so before the competition...

I hope you get my point... past is past but this is something for us to look forward to... that sometime in history we were once the superpower in basketball... that means we were able to pulled it before that means we can make it happen again...

and i know the road to this dream is not a walk in the park... that's why ourteam is preparing very hard for this upcoming asia championship...

to say that we can beat lebanon, qatar and s.korea easily is logically much much easier than beating the red dragon, CHINA.

We almost had a chance the first time we sent our PBA players in China. and slmost in Korea... we fell short... because of lack of preparations but not of quality players...

In fact we have too many quality players... that we can even form another TEAM A.
Dear vladski,you are saying that S.korea is much better than Lebanon,i want to tell you that we a lebanese NT we play against S.korea 4 times.
The first time in 1999 (asia championship) we won 75-65.
The second time (2001) in the 1st round :S.korea won against Lebanon 97-71.The 3rd time also in asian championship 2001 semi final we beat S.korea 75-72.

The last time we play against S.korea in Asian championship 2003 without Fadi el khatib,Brian bchara and others,korea defeat Lebanon 85-83.

So how do u know that S.korea is much better than Lebanon????

Phantim3dx
05-07-2007, 09:51 AM
you really don't get my point:D

well, if you will add your reply as an another issue... well, my simple answer will be....
bloodline/race is different from citizenship:D
peace:cool:

and it's elementary and not good to discuss about bloodline/races...



Go RP team...:D

notice how i stated @ the very end about sarcasm, apparently you didn't read the last part i wasnt meaning to talk about ethnicity/race/citizenship, but a mere sarcasm at your points of calling others of your bloodline background a foreigner in your eyes; must mean the halfies in the natl squad are a disgrace as well in your personal opinion.

dont worry skywalker its what us fils do best bicker and squabble with each other, hence why just like the gov and its people cant come out of its slump in many areas. sad but the truth when you compare to those others in asia who are more united like the koreans (ROK to be exact) in how they developed so fast thru unity and putting aside bickering, god i miss face to face debates back in my uni days

erektus
05-07-2007, 10:45 AM
To Phantim3dx and ProjectSpeed: Thanks for the fine display of Filipino "can do" politics. Your exchanges beautifully capture our cultural predisposition towards getting things done. =)

The topic of this thread is "Top 4 teams in Asia", yet for some reason pinoys manage to steer the discussion towards race, citizenship, and the logical ramifications of sarcasm (That sounded good, eh? But totally meaningless. How very pinoy). Get back to the topic, guys. We shouldn't always wash our dirty linen in public.

To Vladski: Please tone down on the empty boasts. Medyo over na pare, sorry. Yes, even to a proud Filipino like myself, boasting about our basketball achievements from half a century ago sounds, well...empty.

I know most Filipino basketball fans are soooo hungry for respect, but this is not the way to earn it. We only earn it on the court. The fact is, our NT has been suspended not only for 2 years -- we have been practically absent from the international basketball scene for more than 20 years! Because no PBA-backed, Class A team has ever participated in the FIBA Asia championship since 1986 when PBA-bound Allan Caidic, Samboy Lim, et al steered RP to the championship. Since then, we have been sending only Class C to Class E Teams -- thanks to our incompetent basketball leaders.

So, you can't blame our Asian neigbors if they look down on RP. They simply have no idea what our true strength is. None of them has any idea what havoc a Mark Caguioa can wreak against China, Korea or Lebanon (but then again, neither do we, since we have not actually seen how Mark would fare against Chen Jiang Hua). Much as I'd like to think that RP can beat Quatar, Lebanon and Korea, 2 out of 3 times, China's Team B 3 out of 3 times, and China's Team A 1 out of 5 times ---- I'm really just speculating until I actually see RP do it in a REAL, COMPETITIVE TOURNAMENT.

We will get our chance at glory in July in Japan -- AFTER 20+ AGONIZING YEARS. Let's not blow it this time.





notice how i stated @ the very end about sarcasm, apparently you didn't read the last part i wasnt meaning to talk about ethnicity/race/citizenship, but a mere sarcasm at your points of calling others of your bloodline background a foreigner in your eyes; must mean the halfies in the natl squad are a disgrace as well in your personal opinion.

dont worry skywalker its what us fils do best bicker and squabble with each other, hence why just like the gov and its people cant come out of its slump in many areas. sad but the truth when you compare to those others in asia who are more united like the koreans (ROK to be exact) in how they developed so fast thru unity and putting aside bickering, god i miss face to face debates back in my uni days

sickcurtain_16
05-07-2007, 10:46 AM
Hey guys, calm down. I didn't expected this thread to end like this. I was looking at it starting from the beginning and then kaboom! hehehehe.

Now, let's all get back to the topic.

If we will base on the "recent" achievements of asian teams, I will rank them as:

1. China
2. Lebanon
3. S.Korea
4. Qatar

But I think, what most of us are talking about here is the ranking of the teams accdg to our own "scouting reports". For my list, it will be:

1. China
2. Philippines
3. Lebanon
4. S. Korea

sickcurtain_16
05-07-2007, 10:57 AM
HI Vladski, yes, it's ok to speak about our history but saying it again and again in all the threads here, even the proud pinoy bball fans like me will get tired of it, more so with the other nationalities. Maybe, some of them knew them earlier than you. I can get your point, but then, maybe it's better if we just talk about the present, just like how we can contain Yao Ming, who will be guarding khatib, etc, etc.

And also, I don't like your way of saying "this is a wrong statement" because we all posts opinions here right? If it's about a fact, then you can quote it and say if it's wrong then correct it. But saying that someone's opinion is wrong, I don't think it's a good idea. There is no wrong opinion as far as i know. Peace to all !

erektus
05-07-2007, 11:05 AM
I tend to agree with sickcurtain's rankings! However....assuming that China sends its Team B this July, I'd be more specific and say that IF THE FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIPS WERE HELD TODAY, the final standing would be as follows...

1. Lebanon
2. Philippines/S. Korea
3. Qatar/Japan
4. China Team B

Dark Horses: Chinese Taipei, Jordan, Kazakhstan

Sure, RP surprised Lebanon 2 times in exhibition matches but, after going through the rigors of the WBC (and beating France), Lebanon still has an edge over RP in poise and experience. To move up to # 1, RP needs to toughen up mentally (sweeping the Asian Champs Cup in Iran and the Qatar invitationals is a good place).

S. Korea has been keeping its cards close to its chest lately. But they're always dangerous. Ditto for Qatar and Japan, being the hosts.

I've already seen some of China's Team B players scrimmage one time I was in Guangzhou -- they look promising but still much too raw (and too soft) to put up a solid fight against the grown men of Lebanon, RP, etc. Japan has already shown it can beat China's U-20 team during the East Asian Games.

Taiwan, I think, is a rising star (almost a copycat of a running, 3-pt-shooting Korean team) -- it's just that they lack mental toughness. Jordan has a slew of newly naturalized and/or half-foreign players in its fold.



Hey guys, calm down. I didn't expected this thread to end like this. I was looking at it starting from the beginning and then kaboom! hehehehe.

Now, let's all get back to the topic.

If we will base on the "recent" achievements of asian teams, I will rank them as:

1. China
2. Lebanon
3. S.Korea
4. Qatar

But I think, what most of us are talking about here is the ranking of the teams accdg to our own "scouting reports". For my list, it will be:

1. China
2. Philippines
3. Lebanon
4. S. Korea

ctongco
05-07-2007, 11:56 AM
Atlast some real basketball talk. hehe. However I still go with my original choices. Which is really just anybody's game. The way I see it China (B), Lebanon, S. Korea, Philippines have equal chances of winning the tournament. Darkhorses in my mind would be Qatar, Japan, Jordan.

I do agree with erektus that if FIBA-Asia was today the Philippines would be at a great disadvantage. However, I am glad that we (RP) still have more that a month to prepare for the tournament.




I tend to agree with sickcurtain's rankings! However....assuming that China sends its Team B this July, I'd be more specific and say that IF THE FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIPS WERE HELD TODAY, the final standing would be as follows...

1. Lebanon
2. Philippines/S. Korea
3. Qatar/Japan
4. China Team B

Dark Horses: Chinese Taipei, Jordan, Kazakhstan

Sure, RP surprised Lebanon 2 times in exhibition matches but, after going through the rigors of the WBC (and beating France), Lebanon still has an edge over RP in poise and experience. To move up to # 1, RP needs to toughen up mentally (sweeping the Asian Champs Cup in Iran and the Qatar invitationals is a good place).

S. Korea has been keeping its cards close to its chest lately. But they're always dangerous. Ditto for Qatar and Japan, being the hosts.

I've already seen some of China's Team B players scrimmage one time I was in Guangzhou -- they look promising but still much too raw (and too soft) to put up a solid fight against the grown men of Lebanon, RP, etc. Japan has already shown it can beat China's U-20 team during the East Asian Games.

Taiwan, I think, is a rising star (almost a copycat of a running, 3-pt-shooting Korean team) -- it's just that they lack mental toughness. Jordan has a slew of newly naturalized and/or half-foreign players in its fold.

Projectspeed
05-07-2007, 12:40 PM
notice how i stated @ the very end about sarcasm, apparently you didn't read the last part i wasnt meaning to talk about ethnicity/race/citizenship, but a mere sarcasm at your points of calling others of your bloodline background a foreigner in your eyes; must mean the halfies in the natl squad are a disgrace as well in your personal opinion.

dont worry skywalker its what us fils do best bicker and squabble with each other, hence why just like the gov and its people cant come out of its slump in many areas. sad but the truth when you compare to those others in asia who are more united like the koreans (ROK to be exact) in how they developed so fast thru unity and putting aside bickering, god i miss face to face debates back in my uni days


I'll rest my case here, so as to stop much more elementary arguments that may arise :D

Grr_tiger
05-07-2007, 01:10 PM
Achievements are something to be proud of.... it's not about bragging... they call it bragging because they dont have something to be called achievements in International basketball especially in world basketball...

Whi says not we are the best team in asia today??? i didn't say we are the best team in asia today... what i am saying is not there is a big chance we can beat those teams who are considered as strong and competitive...

As i am always saying here... the team that should be watch in international competitions are still China and South Korea... we can find way to beat Lebanon and Qatar... we have proven that so many times already..

and to say that they have improved a lot... did we not improved a lot too??? as for man to man and skill to skill, we are a lot better than the rest of the asian squad...

but as i was saying, basketball is a team competition... we cannot win by simply sending the best pro players in the competition... that's why we PBA commissioner took care of the assignement in representing the country in international competition by lending the PBA players and restructuring the PBA calendar to aligh with the International schedules of tournament...

we are playing against teams that are already playing for so long together as a team... while we are assembling our team only months or so before the competition...

I hope you get my point... past is past but this is something for us to look forward to... that sometime in history we were once the superpower in basketball... that means we were able to pulled it before that means we can make it happen again...

and i know the road to this dream is not a walk in the park... that's why ourteam is preparing very hard for this upcoming asia championship...

to say that we can beat lebanon, qatar and s.korea easily is logically much much easier than beating the red dragon, CHINA.

We almost had a chance the first time we sent our PBA players in China. and slmost in Korea... we fell short... because of lack of preparations but not of quality players...

In fact we have too many quality players... that we can even form another TEAM A.



this history thing will go on and on like a vicious cycle :rolleyes:





Dear vladski,you are saying that S.korea is much better than Lebanon,i want to tell you that we a lebanese NT we play against S.korea 4 times.
The first time in 1999 (asia championship) we won 75-65.
The second time (2001) in the 1st round :S.korea won against Lebanon 97-71.The 3rd time also in asian championship 2001 semi final we beat S.korea 75-72.

The last time we play against S.korea in Asian championship 2003 without Fadi el khatib,Brian bchara and others,korea defeat Lebanon 85-83.

So how do u know that S.korea is much better than Lebanon????


hhmmm.... tough question.

right now, i would say 4 games out of 5, Lebanon can beat Korea simply because the Koreans are not too serious about their NT unlike before and most Asian teams have found a way to overcome the Korean style of basketball.

daniab
05-07-2007, 03:54 PM
this history thing will go on and on like a vicious cycle :rolleyes:







hhmmm.... tough question.

right now, i would say 4 games out of 5, Lebanon can beat Korea simply because the Koreans are not too serious about their NT unlike before and most Asian teams have found a way to overcome the Korean style of basketball.

Dear Grr_tiger,what are you saying is not true about S.korea:
1_S.korea NT had paticipate in asian championship 1999 in a serious NT ,because in this Tournament S.korea the second place.

2_ in asian championship 2001,S.korea had participate also in a serious team,korea beat lebanon in the first round,and lebanon beat korea in semi finals.

3_In asian championship 2003,south korea had participate in a serious team ,korea beat lebanon in a overtime without el khatib and others 85-83.
And don't forget in asia 2003 S.korea lost against chine only by 10 pts :106-96.

In a conclusion,S.korea stop care about his NT in 2005 why ? i don't know!!
i don't want to say that lebanese NT is the strongest team in asia,like the Phillippino members, i would only to say that asia 2007 will be a hard competition to all asia teams specially that all asia teams try to present a strong team.

karim
05-07-2007, 05:17 PM
philipinos are philosophizers thats y they say korea is better than leb...just cuz philipines won leb in a friendly game on their own court it doesnt matter now that leb has beaten korea 2 out of 3 times , even in our 2nd team we lost by only 2pts......anyway daniab are the games of riyadi and blue stars in arab and asian championship for clubs broadcasted on TV , if yeah on which channels and what time ?

daniab
05-07-2007, 06:33 PM
philipinos are philosophizers thats y they say korea is better than leb...just cuz philipines won leb in a friendly game on their own court it doesnt matter now that leb has beaten korea 2 out of 3 times , even in our 2nd team we lost by only 2pts......anyway daniab are the games of riyadi and blue stars in arab and asian championship for clubs broadcasted on TV , if yeah on which channels and what time ?

Yeah karim,Arab champs will be broadcast on ART arab channel,and Asian championship for clubs on Aljazeerasport if i'm not wrong.

asapa11
05-08-2007, 03:02 AM
ok ok

do you guys have any information on the Chinese NT team B. I'm kinda worried that these guys may still be a very strong team. after all they are china team B and some of them could maybe someday make it to their team A.

what do you guys think?

Phantim3dx
05-08-2007, 03:50 AM
Dear Grr_tiger,what are you saying is not true about S.korea:
1_S.korea NT had paticipate in asian championship 1999 in a serious NT ,because in this Tournament S.korea the second place.

2_ in asian championship 2001,S.korea had participate also in a serious team,korea beat lebanon in the first round,and lebanon beat korea in semi finals.

3_In asian championship 2003,south korea had participate in a serious team ,korea beat lebanon in a overtime without el khatib and others 85-83.
And don't forget in asia 2003 S.korea lost against chine only by 10 pts :106-96.

In a conclusion,S.korea stop care about his NT in 2005 why ? i don't know!!
i don't want to say that lebanese NT is the strongest team in asia,like the Phillippino members, i would only to say that asia 2007 will be a hard competition to all asia teams specially that all asia teams try to present a strong team.

not trying to doubt your words nor anybodies here, well some. but i think what he means is that the ROK Natl team might be on a rebuilding process and isnt as strong as previous teams in the past as you have mentioned with your facts.

jrb0yd
05-08-2007, 03:53 AM
finally some basketball talk... this small argument here bet. filipinos would have been avoided if the old forumers here were a little considerate to the new members coz c'mon they are new, we were like them before...this would have also been avoided if some people here would stop on giving excuses about rp especially the recent one when rp beat some ncaa and aba teams... talking about the caliber of the opponent etc...

about if fiba asia champs would be held today i don't think lebanon would be the top 1 there since i understand they are still not practicing and they still have no final 12 players in their lineup yet... at this point i think rp has a slim edge because we have been practicing for about 2 months now... but comes fiba asia champs i expect lebanon to be prepared... before the fiba asia champs rp will definitely be not in the top 4 because nobody knows them... but after the fiba champs we'll be in the top2/3...

vladski
05-08-2007, 04:02 AM
HI Vladski, yes, it's ok to speak about our history but saying it again and again in all the threads here, even the proud pinoy bball fans like me will get tired of it, more so with the other nationalities. Maybe, some of them knew them earlier than you. I can get your point, but then, maybe it's better if we just talk about the present, just like how we can contain Yao Ming, who will be guarding khatib, etc, etc.

And also, I don't like your way of saying "this is a wrong statement" because we all posts opinions here right? If it's about a fact, then you can quote it and say if it's wrong then correct it. But saying that someone's opinion is wrong, I don't think it's a good idea. There is no wrong opinion as far as i know. Peace to all !

Thank you for calling my attention.

I am not really rellying on our past achievements on our chances in the upcoming FIBA Asia Champ. I quoted our past achievements just to show that we've been in the highlights of World basketball in the past... the very foundation of every nation is their past...history shapes every new generation... same as basketball... knowledge and skills dont come overnight... and for Philippines... we have been and still considered as one of the best cagers in asia in terms of talent, skills and knowledge of the sports.

This is the reason i said "this statement is wrong." Should i offended anyone in the forum or any person about my statement... please consider my apology.

Peace to all!!!!

ros
05-08-2007, 04:24 AM
I'm very excited this coming FIBA-Asia but at the same time I worry about our chances. All I can do here is support and pray for our beloved RP team and not brag about our past achievements. We can still do it...Lumaban ka...

vladski
05-08-2007, 05:50 AM
Dear vladski,you are saying that S.korea is much better than Lebanon,i want to tell you that we a lebanese NT we play against S.korea 4 times.
The first time in 1999 (asia championship) we won 75-65.
The second time (2001) in the 1st round :S.korea won against Lebanon 97-71.The 3rd time also in asian championship 2001 semi final we beat S.korea 75-72.

The last time we play against S.korea in Asian championship 2003 without Fadi el khatib,Brian bchara and others,korea defeat Lebanon 85-83.

So how do u know that S.korea is much better than Lebanon????

Here are the bases of my analysis:

1. In 2006 Asian Games, Lebanon was in 9th Place while Korea in 5th. Qatar was even far better in 2nd place next to China.

2. In FIBA World Ranking, Lebanon and Korea placed 24th and 25th, respectively.

3. In Asia, Lebanon and Korea placed 2nd and 3rd respectively.

4. North and south Korea form one team in international competition.


Analysis should not only be based in the games played between Leb and Kor. otherwise such analysis is poor and shallow. In my analysis f these two teams (Kor and Leb) I am taking into consideration the quality and the skills of the players and the team as a whole. Though Leb placed 1 step higher than Kor, its no bearing at all since Kor is next to Leb in ranking which means it is not that significant at all.

Game quality, player skills and technical knowledge of the sport, i would go to Korea as a better team than Leb in this coming FIBA Asia.

daniab
05-08-2007, 06:34 AM
Here are the bases of my analysis:

1. In 2006 Asian Games, Lebanon was in 9th Place while Korea in 5th. Qatar was even far better in 2nd place next to China.

2. In FIBA World Ranking, Lebanon and Korea placed 24th and 25th, respectively.

3. In Asia, Lebanon and Korea placed 2nd and 3rd respectively.

4. North and south Korea form one team in international competition.


Analysis should not only be based in the games played between Leb and Kor. otherwise such analysis is poor and shallow. In my analysis f these two teams (Kor and Leb) I am taking into consideration the quality and the skills of the players and the team as a whole. Though Leb placed 1 step higher than Kor, its no bearing at all since Kor is next to Leb in ranking which means it is not that significant at all.

Game quality, player skills and technical knowledge of the sport, i would go to Korea as a better team than Leb in this coming FIBA Asia.

1_Like you said Vladski in fiba world Ranking Lebanon placd 24th and korea 25th,so it's an exemple that lebanon is considered much better than S.korea.

2_Also Lebanon placed 2nd and S.korea 3rd in asia so what is change?? we still much better than S.korea.

3_With all my respect to N.korea but this team is not so famous ,i watched N.korea in Asian games 2002,she don't have a good players.

Conclusion:i don't have the right to said that ur analysis is false but ur arguments assure that Lebanese NT is much better than S.korea.
So let us wait Fiba Asian championship to know the strongest team behind Chine.

daniab
05-08-2007, 06:38 AM
Here are the bases of my analysis:

1. In 2006 Asian Games, Lebanon was in 9th Place while Korea in 5th. Qatar was even far better in 2nd place next to China.

Dear vladski,in 2006 Asian Games,Lebanon participate just respect to quatar because Quatar help Lebanon in the last war.So Lebanon NT go to quatar without a coach,many of lebanese players do not participate like Brian Bchara,and Fadi el khatib is injured.

vladski
05-08-2007, 06:42 AM
I tend to agree with sickcurtain's rankings! However....assuming that China sends its Team B this July, I'd be more specific and say that IF THE FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIPS WERE HELD TODAY, the final standing would be as follows...

1. Lebanon
2. Philippines/S. Korea
3. Qatar/Japan
4. China Team B

Dark Horses: Chinese Taipei, Jordan, Kazakhstan

Sure, RP surprised Lebanon 2 times in exhibition matches but, after going through the rigors of the WBC (and beating France), Lebanon still has an edge over RP in poise and experience. To move up to # 1, RP needs to toughen up mentally (sweeping the Asian Champs Cup in Iran and the Qatar invitationals is a good place).

S. Korea has been keeping its cards close to its chest lately. But they're always dangerous. Ditto for Qatar and Japan, being the hosts.

I've already seen some of China's Team B players scrimmage one time I was in Guangzhou -- they look promising but still much too raw (and too soft) to put up a solid fight against the grown men of Lebanon, RP, etc. Japan has already shown it can beat China's U-20 team during the East Asian Games.

Taiwan, I think, is a rising star (almost a copycat of a running, 3-pt-shooting Korean team) -- it's just that they lack mental toughness. Jordan has a slew of newly naturalized and/or half-foreign players in its fold.

THough this analysis looks good at first, i tend to disagree to certain issues.

First, Lebanon went to WBC and have beaten France but we have seen them play before they went to said tournament and was loet twice in a row against our ragtag team. My point is they haven't seen the Philippines plays basketball for a long time... and only tasted the rampage of a Team B pro with no preparation at all.

Yes, they went to WBC last year and have beaten France in the process but experience and mental toughness cannot be acquired overnight much more the quality of the game they play. PBA is still among the most respected ball club in asia along with China, Japan and Korea in terms of quality basketball.

THough Lebanon really improves well in international competitions, still as per my assesment... as whole Leb needs a lot more basketball experience and mental toughness when it comes to international kind of game... which also i believe the team philippines is working out... but as per my assessment for both team, Philippines can play/perform better than Lebs in international competition.

Team B of China is not that explosive as per scouting report... and philippines can perofrm fairly well against this team... that is if the line up would not change... these are promising players but lack experience and skills needed for international competition. But of course we should not take them for granted as they may surprise us.

Korea... hmmm i still believe they are capable of surprising us... they have great basketball skills and talent... i think korea is facing the same problem as the RP basketball is facing... but do i believe they can still put up a good fight against any other team in asia... just like they did in the last Asian games in Doha.

IF it is true that China will be fielding its Team B in the competition... need to update my ranking as follows:

1. Philippines
2. Lebanon
3. China
4. Korea/Japan/Qatar

asapa11
05-08-2007, 06:42 AM
in my opinion,

for my rankings im going to exclude china

it would probably be:
1. Lebanon - Since they have been 2nd place for a couple of years now and has been able to give china a hard time. I know we beat them twice, but this team doesnt stay the same team, i believe they have been searching for new talent to strengthen their already championship caliber line-up.
2. S. Korea - despite their low pl,acings in the recent asian games and Fiba asian basketball championships, their line-up still looks pretty deadly, with a big center(Ha Seung-Jin), with their deadly shooters (Bang Sung yoon and Lee Kyu Sup) with their good playmaker (Kim Seung Hyun) and some of their new breeds, they still look like they have a lot of promise.
3. Philippines - I placed the RP team behind Lebanon and Korea because we havent proven how good we really are just yet. Despite that, i put the RP team above Qatar because we have been having a good training program and also because we have been beating Qatar's national team in the past asian tournaments. Hopefully we still can beat them.
4. Qatar - is a rising force in the asian basketball scene, although i really doubt the eligibility of their players.

despite these rankings, in my opinion all these 4 teams can walk away with the Championship this coming FIBA asia champs, for me these 4 teams are somewhat equal in terms of potential and skill or something like that. i believe there will be no easy wins between these four teams.

what do guys think?

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we were like them before

not me

SkyWalker
05-08-2007, 08:40 AM
AS a patriotic, Nationalistic and basketball lover Filipino, i would rank the Phils in the no.1. Regardless of whats going to happen in the Asian Championship. Though, im not that as realistic as others here in the forum, I just want to be those crazy basketball lover here in our town who doesnt care if lebanon, Qatar, Korea, China are good. What they know is that RP team will win the Asian championship.


to all my filipino brethren:
WIN OR LOSE, I'LL SUPPORT MY BELOVED COUNTRY, the PHILIPPINES.


hahaha. what a way to motivate myself...:D

karim
05-08-2007, 08:50 AM
finally some basketball talk... this small argument here bet. filipinos would have been avoided if the old forumers here were a little considerate to the new members coz c'mon they are new, we were like them before...this would have also been avoided if some people here would stop on giving excuses about rp especially the recent one when rp beat some ncaa and aba teams... talking about the caliber of the opponent etc...

about if fiba asia champs would be held today i don't think lebanon would be the top 1 there since i understand they are still not practicing and they still have no final 12 players in their lineup yet... at this point i think rp has a slim edge because we have been practicing for about 2 months now... but comes fiba asia champs i expect lebanon to be prepared... before the fiba asia champs rp will definitely be not in the top 4 because nobody knows them... but after the fiba champs we'll be in the top2/3...

no man lebanon always practices on the last week before the west asia qualifier and they still come up with a silver medal....so its only normal that they have not began training yet.......

jrb0yd
05-08-2007, 11:48 AM
not me

haha... got to be kidding me... i don't have to count the ways or what...but im just proving my point... if u guys were just a little considerate...... u should have just message the new user in private instead of replying in this thread to prevent any conflicts coz what happened was like a match bet. filipinos... anyway let's move on and lets talk some serious basket...


no man lebanon always practices on the last week before the west asia qualifier and they still come up with a silver medal....so its only normal that they have not began training yet.......

well we will see how prepared they are this july... that probably would work for them in the past but how about in the present especially that a lot of NT's are busy right now preparing including our NT...



AS a patriotic, Nationalistic and basketball lover Filipino, i would rank the Phils in the no.1. Regardless of whats going to happen in the Asian Championship. Though, im not that as realistic as others here in the forum, I just want to be those crazy basketball lover here in our town who doesnt care if lebanon, Qatar, Korea, China are good. What they know is that RP team will win the Asian championship.


to all my filipino brethren:
WIN OR LOSE, I'LL SUPPORT MY BELOVED COUNTRY, the PHILIPPINES.


hahaha. what a way to motivate myself...:D

way to go dude... that's what im talking about... that's what we need here...:cool:

karim
05-08-2007, 01:31 PM
is philippine NT going to participate in the asian championship for clubs in 2 days ? r they the same team that participated in 2005 ? if they wanna qualify to the olympics , they have to beat this championship since all these teams are weaker than the NTS except for al jalaa of syria who are stronger than their NT ....blue stars who are the 2nd best club in lebanon are much weaker than the NT especially that their true imports are not going so if philippines NT cant beat blue stars they definitely cant beat the Lebanon NT......

jrb0yd
05-08-2007, 01:47 PM
is philippine NT going to participate in the asian championship for clubs in 2 days ? r they the same team that participated in 2005 ? if they wanna qualify to the olympics , they have to beat this championship since all these teams are weaker than the NTS except for al jalaa of syria who are stronger than their NT ....blue stars who are the 2nd best club in lebanon are much weaker than the NT especially that their true imports are not going so if philippines NT cant beat blue stars they definitely cant beat the Lebanon NT......

yes RP NT will participate... this is our 2007 team, our team A... 2 yrs ago, it was more of a combination between team B and team A... this tournament is actually only part of the training of rp... while we expect our team to take this tournament seriously, this tournmanet doesn't really gauge the true power of our team since this is only part of its training... our team was just formed last march and they are still on the process of learning the international game... give the team 2 months more im sure they are going to get ripe.. cheers!:)

bristron
05-08-2007, 02:40 PM
By FIBA men's ranking

11. China CHN 262
24. Lebanon LIB 57
25. Korea KOR 52
26. Qatar QAT 45
28. Japan JPN 39
37. Islamic Republic of Iran IRI 18
(The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle)

If I have to base on the recent(and past) achievements of asian teams, I will rank top 4 like FIBA rankings.(eventhough that ranking don't care Asian Games) Korea did bad recentely(05 FIBA-Asia 4th... worst ever, 06 Asian Games 5th.. worst ever), so we ranked low.


My personal ranking.. for 07 FIBA-Asia

1. Korea
Old asian basketball fans still remember Korea was good, but kids don't and can't know cuz our recent results. I don't blame them, we had to show better plays but so many reasons stopped our players.(injury, coaching problems., referee problems... but I knows that become excuses. we have to show the results)
We couldn't focus on International games recently, but I still believe if we prepare well, we can show our real power like 02 Asian Games.
At now, we still have good players(like asapa11 said), but associantion didn't know how to use them.
prepare is most important thing for Korean team.(team that beat China in 02 Asian game, and the team that beaten hardly by China in 05 FIBA-Asia is not changed so much. even Korea team add some good players like Ha SeungJin. that shows importance of prerare)

p.s some guys put Korea down to Japan. I really can't understand. We never lost to Japan for 10 years in senior A match. And even we sucked in recent years, we alway had better place than Japan, and beat Japan more than 10 points(06 asian games). Maybe blind for Japan's money power?

2. RP
First time I put RP and Lebanon placed same as 2nd, but RP is more dangerous for Korea I think. RP prepares well for competition when they want. And RP players knows how to play basketball. They have absolutely has good 1 on 1 skills. But their problem is height. With only Asi, they can't stop top centers/PFs in Asia. But they also has good 1 on 1 defence, so I gave them 2nd place. But some times they lost so easily(like 3/4 place match in 02 ABC), they need consistancy.

3. Lebanon
They will miss 2 good players(Brian Bashara, and the guy 206-PF/C-68..can't remember his name), comepare to 04 WC. They had important role in their team. So their absent is so bad for Lebanon.
And same as Korea, with no prepare, Lebanon shows bad results.(06 Asian Games).
But they still have Khatib and Fahed, and some good players.
Beat France is not a easy thing, they have still good powers and chances.. Their powerful plays will give hard time for Asian teams.

4. Qatar
Has some good players. but need more teamworks. and also sometimes ruin games easily.(maybe they have PG problems. Daoud Daoud is not pure PG)

5. China B
Good size but too young and has not enough skills. They don't have experince compare to above teams, so that could be crucial.

6/7/8/9/10/1. Japan, Iran, Chinese Taipei, Syria, Kazakhstan, Jordan


Frankly speaking, my top 3 has so little gap for me. conditions and referee's call can make another result. But if we prepare well, I guarantee that we can get 1 direct ticket for olympic.(hope RP or Lebanon or Qatar get another ticket in wild card competiton.) I think, Lebanon plays strong to Euro teams(compare to Korea strong to Latin teams)(cuz Lebanon plays like Europe teams), so they have more chance to grab the ticket in wild card competiton.

bristron
05-08-2007, 03:36 PM
u Lebanon guys make so may excuses for your team,
so I think, maybe I need excuses for my team..

Korea and Lebanon meet 4times in Fiba-Asia,
and has same 2 win and 2 lost.
(who said leb win more???)

my excuses..

99 ABC Lebanon win Korea.
but Korea had 2nd place and Lebanon had 7th? place.
Fans in here, believes that we lost to Lebanon on prupose to meet China in Final.
Korea team didn't want to show our secret tactics for China in earliy games.
(in 99 ABC final, Korea team showed long tempo games, so game score become low)

01 ABC we easily beat Lebanon in earliy games as expected. and in semi-final, referee problem makes Lebanon's victory. referee calls ridiculous calls. I'm still strongly believe that is to help lebanon(After Lebanon and China fight,
China had to give some cost for Lebanon cuz China's players did bad behaviors)
And 01 ABC, our PGs are not 1st grade.(Compare to 02 Asian Game, we win 1st place, our top PGs like Lee SangMin and Kim SeungHyun was not in there.)

03 Fiba-Asia, we also don't have our top center Seo JangHoon, SF Chun Hee Chul(97 ABC's MVP) .If your team in 03 was B team, our team in 03 was also B team. But Vogel, Fahed, Khoury.. still key players of Lebanon was there.

06 Asian games,
Fadi played 35min and 40min when Lebanon lost to Japan and Kazakhstan.
(while Bang Sung Yoon played only 1 games more than 5 min)
we sucked in that competition for some excuses but by beat Qatar, showed we have still have powers.
And beat Japan more than 10 point while Lebanon lost to Japan.

WIZARD
05-08-2007, 03:46 PM
Well if u ask me guys,,i would say watch out of those teams Jordan,Iran,kazakhstan..they might be the black horses of this championship,,
i know that our jordanian history doesnt have that much in asian achievments
AS NTs of course,,but things change..we have an excellent roster..with american jordanian players who play in the US also a new Naturalized super player Rashiem wright..with great coaching staff Mario Palma x-angola head coach..with 2 months of his arrival we reached final for of Asian games in doha,,and were near of getting a medal...but we couldnt cuz of some problems happened in the 3/4 game ranking death preoblem i mean..

Iran also is an extreme threat for other teams,,they have great players they play physical alot and got strenght...same goes for kazakhstan...they showed great level of Bball and gave big teams a very hard time...they lack some experience..since they are all young..but still i will give them a big credit

peace

SkyWalker
05-08-2007, 04:02 PM
By FIBA men's ranking

11. China CHN 262
24. Lebanon LIB 57
25. Korea KOR 52
26. Qatar QAT 45
28. Japan JPN 39
37. Islamic Republic of Iran IRI 18
(The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle)

If I have to base on the recent(and past) achievements of asian teams, I will rank top 4 like FIBA rankings.(eventhough that ranking don't care Asian Games) Korea did bad recentely(05 FIBA-Asia 4th... worst ever, 06 Asian Games 5th.. worst ever), so we ranked low.


My personal ranking.. for 07 FIBA-Asia

1. Korea
Old asian basketball fans still remember Korea was good, but kids don't and can't know cuz our recent results. I don't blame them, we had to show better plays but so many reasons stopped our players.(injury, coaching problems., referee problems... but I knows that become excuses. we have to show the results)
We couldn't focus on International games recently, but I still believe if we prepare well, we can show our real power like 02 Asian Games.
At now, we still have good players(like asapa11 said), but associantion didn't know how to use them.
prepare is most important thing for Korean team.(team that beat China in 02 Asian game, and the team that beaten hardly by China in 05 FIBA-Asia is not changed so much. even Korea team add some good players like Ha SeungJin. that shows importance of prerare)

p.s some guys put Korea down to Japan. I really can't understand. We never lost to Japan for 10 years in senior A match. And even we sucked in recent years, we alway had better place than Japan, and beat Japan more than 10 points(06 asian games). Maybe blind for Japan's money power?

2. RP
First time I put RP and Lebanon placed same as 2nd, but RP is more dangerous for Korea I think. RP prepares well for competition when they want. And RP players knows how to play basketball. They have absolutely has good 1 on 1 skills. But their problem is height. With only Asi, they can't stop top centers/PFs in Asia. But they also has good 1 on 1 defence, so I gave them 2nd place. But some times they lost so easily(like 3/4 place match in 02 ABC), they need consistancy.

3. Lebanon
They will miss 2 good players(Brian Bashara, and the guy 206-PF/C-68..can't remember his name), comepare to 04 WC. They had important role in their team. So their absent is so bad for Lebanon.
And same as Korea, with no prepare, Lebanon shows bad results.(06 Asian Games).
But they still have Khatib and Fahed, and some good players.
Beat France is not a easy thing, they have still good powers and chances.. Their powerful plays will give hard time for Asian teams.

4. Qatar
Has some good players. but need more teamworks. and also sometimes ruin games easily.(maybe they have PG problems. Daoud Daoud is not pure PG)

5. China B
Good size but too young and has not enough skills. They don't have experince compare to above teams, so that could be crucial.

6/7/8/9/10/1. Japan, Iran, Chinese Taipei, Syria, Kazakhstan, Jordan


Frankly speaking, my top 3 has so little gap for me. conditions and referee's call can make another result. But if we prepare well, I guarantee that we can get 1 direct ticket for olympic.(hope RP or Lebanon or Qatar get another ticket in wild card competiton.) I think, Lebanon plays strong to Euro teams(compare to Korea strong to Latin teams)(cuz Lebanon plays like Europe teams), so they have more chance to grab the ticket in wild card competiton.


NICE ANALYSIS BRISTON! ;)

Phantim3dx
05-08-2007, 04:32 PM
Welcome aboard bristron to the forum of bball talk.

nice analysis on your end. drink a shot of sochu for me on my behalf!

daniab
05-08-2007, 05:54 PM
u Lebanon guys make so may excuses for your team,
so I think, maybe I need excuses for my team..

Korea and Lebanon meet 4times in Fiba-Asia,
and has same 2 win and 2 lost.
(who said leb win more???)

my excuses..

99 ABC Lebanon win Korea.
but Korea had 2nd place and Lebanon had 7th? place.
Fans in here, believes that we lost to Lebanon on prupose to meet China in Final.
Korea team didn't want to show our secret tactics for China in earliy games.
(in 99 ABC final, Korea team showed long tempo games, so game score become low)

01 ABC we easily beat Lebanon in earliy games as expected. and in semi-final, referee problem makes Lebanon's victory. referee calls ridiculous calls. I'm still strongly believe that is to help lebanon(After Lebanon and China fight,
China had to give some cost for Lebanon cuz China's players did bad behaviors)
And 01 ABC, our PGs are not 1st grade.(Compare to 02 Asian Game, we win 1st place, our top PGs like Lee SangMin and Kim SeungHyun was not in there.)

03 Fiba-Asia, we also don't have our top center Seo JangHoon, SF Chun Hee Chul(97 ABC's MVP) .If your team in 03 was B team, our team in 03 was also B team. But Vogel, Fahed, Khoury.. still key players of Lebanon was there.

06 Asian games,
Fadi played 35min and 40min when Lebanon lost to Japan and Kazakhstan.
(while Bang Sung Yoon played only 1 games more than 5 min)
we sucked in that competition for some excuses but by beat Qatar, showed we have still have powers.
And beat Japan more than 10 point while Lebanon lost to Japan.

Dear briston,i think you didn't read my post vlaski said that S.korea is much better than lebanon.my question is what's the arguments to say that?? in my last post i declare that lebanese NT And korean Nt is tied 2-2.So re-back to my post and see what i'm saying!
One more time Guys,stop saying which national team is strongest than others asian NTs! we want just to present our NTs and give ur thinking about Asian championship 2007.

daniab
05-08-2007, 06:14 PM
By FIBA men's ranking

11. China CHN 262
24. Lebanon LIB 57
25. Korea KOR 52
26. Qatar QAT 45
28. Japan JPN 39
37. Islamic Republic of Iran IRI 18
(The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle)

If I have to base on the recent(and past) achievements of asian teams, I will rank top 4 like FIBA rankings.(eventhough that ranking don't care Asian Games) Korea did bad recentely(05 FIBA-Asia 4th... worst ever, 06 Asian Games 5th.. worst ever), so we ranked low.


My personal ranking.. for 07 FIBA-Asia

1. Korea
Old asian basketball fans still remember Korea was good, but kids don't and can't know cuz our recent results. I don't blame them, we had to show better plays but so many reasons stopped our players.(injury, coaching problems., referee problems... but I knows that become excuses. we have to show the results)
We couldn't focus on International games recently, but I still believe if we prepare well, we can show our real power like 02 Asian Games.
At now, we still have good players(like asapa11 said), but associantion didn't know how to use them.
prepare is most important thing for Korean team.(team that beat China in 02 Asian game, and the team that beaten hardly by China in 05 FIBA-Asia is not changed so much. even Korea team add some good players like Ha SeungJin. that shows importance of prerare)

p.s some guys put Korea down to Japan. I really can't understand. We never lost to Japan for 10 years in senior A match. And even we sucked in recent years, we alway had better place than Japan, and beat Japan more than 10 points(06 asian games). Maybe blind for Japan's money power?

2. RP
First time I put RP and Lebanon placed same as 2nd, but RP is more dangerous for Korea I think. RP prepares well for competition when they want. And RP players knows how to play basketball. They have absolutely has good 1 on 1 skills. But their problem is height. With only Asi, they can't stop top centers/PFs in Asia. But they also has good 1 on 1 defence, so I gave them 2nd place. But some times they lost so easily(like 3/4 place match in 02 ABC), they need consistancy.

3. Lebanon
They will miss 2 good players(Brian Bashara, and the guy 206-PF/C-68..can't remember his name), comepare to 04 WC. They had important role in their team. So their absent is so bad for Lebanon.
And same as Korea, with no prepare, Lebanon shows bad results.(06 Asian Games).
But they still have Khatib and Fahed, and some good players.
Beat France is not a easy thing, they have still good powers and chances.. Their powerful plays will give hard time for Asian teams.

4. Qatar
Has some good players. but need more teamworks. and also sometimes ruin games easily.(maybe they have PG problems. Daoud Daoud is not pure PG)

5. China B
Good size but too young and has not enough skills. They don't have experince compare to above teams, so that could be crucial.

6/7/8/9/10/1. Japan, Iran, Chinese Taipei, Syria, Kazakhstan, Jordan


Frankly speaking, my top 3 has so little gap for me. conditions and referee's call can make another result. But if we prepare well, I guarantee that we can get 1 direct ticket for olympic.(hope RP or Lebanon or Qatar get another ticket in wild card competiton.) I think, Lebanon plays strong to Euro teams(compare to Korea strong to Latin teams)(cuz Lebanon plays like Europe teams), so they have more chance to grab the ticket in wild card competiton.

Nice analysis briston,i think you are the only who give a pure analysis,but still my choice is different than u.
And about Top 4 asian teams,i think lately to declare our choices because we didn't see at the moment any asian NTs,so after Asian cup for clubs i'll give my opinion specially that,in asia 2007 for clubs we will see for the first time RP team, Jordanian team ,Kazakhstan team,also we will see the new 3 Syrian-Brazilian players.

Note:Don't forget that in asian champinship we will see a new strong team like syria,jordan,iran and japan...don't be fastly in ur choices.

karim
05-08-2007, 06:45 PM
By FIBA men's ranking

11. China CHN 262
24. Lebanon LIB 57
25. Korea KOR 52
26. Qatar QAT 45
28. Japan JPN 39
37. Islamic Republic of Iran IRI 18
(The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle)

If I have to base on the recent(and past) achievements of asian teams, I will rank top 4 like FIBA rankings.(eventhough that ranking don't care Asian Games) Korea did bad recentely(05 FIBA-Asia 4th... worst ever, 06 Asian Games 5th.. worst ever), so we ranked low.


My personal ranking.. for 07 FIBA-Asia

1. Korea
Old asian basketball fans still remember Korea was good, but kids don't and can't know cuz our recent results. I don't blame them, we had to show better plays but so many reasons stopped our players.(injury, coaching problems., referee problems... but I knows that become excuses. we have to show the results)
We couldn't focus on International games recently, but I still believe if we prepare well, we can show our real power like 02 Asian Games.
At now, we still have good players(like asapa11 said), but associantion didn't know how to use them.
prepare is most important thing for Korean team.(team that beat China in 02 Asian game, and the team that beaten hardly by China in 05 FIBA-Asia is not changed so much. even Korea team add some good players like Ha SeungJin. that shows importance of prerare)

p.s some guys put Korea down to Japan. I really can't understand. We never lost to Japan for 10 years in senior A match. And even we sucked in recent years, we alway had better place than Japan, and beat Japan more than 10 points(06 asian games). Maybe blind for Japan's money power?

2. RP
First time I put RP and Lebanon placed same as 2nd, but RP is more dangerous for Korea I think. RP prepares well for competition when they want. And RP players knows how to play basketball. They have absolutely has good 1 on 1 skills. But their problem is height. With only Asi, they can't stop top centers/PFs in Asia. But they also has good 1 on 1 defence, so I gave them 2nd place. But some times they lost so easily(like 3/4 place match in 02 ABC), they need consistancy.

3. Lebanon
They will miss 2 good players(Brian Bashara, and the guy 206-PF/C-68..can't remember his name), comepare to 04 WC. They had important role in their team. So their absent is so bad for Lebanon.
And same as Korea, with no prepare, Lebanon shows bad results.(06 Asian Games).
But they still have Khatib and Fahed, and some good players.
Beat France is not a easy thing, they have still good powers and chances.. Their powerful plays will give hard time for Asian teams.

4. Qatar
Has some good players. but need more teamworks. and also sometimes ruin games easily.(maybe they have PG problems. Daoud Daoud is not pure PG)

5. China B
Good size but too young and has not enough skills. They don't have experince compare to above teams, so that could be crucial.

6/7/8/9/10/1. Japan, Iran, Chinese Taipei, Syria, Kazakhstan, Jordan


Frankly speaking, my top 3 has so little gap for me. conditions and referee's call can make another result. But if we prepare well, I guarantee that we can get 1 direct ticket for olympic.(hope RP or Lebanon or Qatar get another ticket in wild card competiton.) I think, Lebanon plays strong to Euro teams(compare to Korea strong to Latin teams)(cuz Lebanon plays like Europe teams), so they have more chance to grab the ticket in wild card competiton.

the 1968 206 is paul khoury , i dont think he even plays anymore since his injury last year just b4 the WBC , + i think hes a bit old now......but who told u that brian beshara is not gonna play with the NT ?

daniab
05-08-2007, 07:41 PM
In a news about Lebanese NT,Coach Fouad abou Chacra and he said that will not be with the NT this summer because he will undergo a back surgery .
Also New tv a lebanese channel revealed that there are problems between FAC and Tannous concerning the formation of the technical staff and other issues.

I feel sorry about this decision!!
:(

Source:riyadi Forum and New tv channel !

karim
05-08-2007, 09:37 PM
common briston south korea cant be better than lebanon....leb has been to the last 2 WBCs 2002 and 2006 , and the reason why south korea doesnt go anymore is because now leb is going everytime along with china.....so we can say since leb got better in 2001 , south korea isnt going to the WBC anymore which means lebanon took their place as 2nd in asia and now qatar is 3rd...i think the rankings in 2005 ABC are the 1s which the teams are ranked now....leb doesnt do well when the tournamants mean nthng to us like in ABC 2003(4th) and asian games(9th) cuz in 2003 china obviously was the olympics qualifier and the asian games meant nothing us , we just went cuz qatar insisted everyone knows that......

kalamity131
05-09-2007, 06:17 AM
Haha,funny!!!!


The Philippines has obtained the world third good result, but that only was appears briefly!! Even the very many Asian fans all did not know at all, also does not acknowledge!! But our China NT enters eight strong topics repeatedly at the Olympic Games and the international championship then often loves to talk about by the Asian fan discussion!! This is two team's biggest difference!! Does not have the inside story team is impossible to dominate for a long time Asian Basketball world!! Moreover also asks you Philippine not to have always to say our China NT dominates Asia is for a long time because they repeatedly have not sent out the strongest PBA player to participate(that is biggest fun!!!)!! But in 1998 the Asian Games we the Chinese men's basketball team has won at the semi-final by A lvin Patrimonio, Allan Caidic, Johnny the Abarrientos leading signer Philippines team of 8 minutes hundred year dream!!

You more emphasized the past the glory more showed your reality the helpless! As far as I know the Philippine basketball besides the dirty petty action on only then the pitiful speed,and You only can depend upon the hybrid member, does not have the height, does not have the technology…We may dominate at least Asia, later we also will be the world crack force, but you forever only could live in the past recollection! ~ I sympathize with you

You such match simply is not worth respecting!!!Because you have not respected the match the tutelage



Last to you:I am thinking what should i say when CHINA b team beat you...and what will you say ...hahaha!!!!you 'll never win!You do not match make our Rival!!!Asian two-three class team


Please brush up on your grammar. I only understood the second paragraph. Yes that was yesteryears that our country was on the podium, but don't underestimate the Philippines. Much like the USA NT, we are starting to learn from our past mistakes.

erektus
05-09-2007, 08:12 AM
Welcome back, Bristron! We've been missing your sensible and sober hoops insights for quite awhile now.

You're right about the the top spot being anybody's ballgame and any of the 3favored teams -- Korea, Lebanon and RP -- can pull one over the other on any given night; with Qatar, Japan and China Team B capable of springing a surprise. Japan especially will come with all guns blazing; they have a lot of pride.

You also hit the spot with regards to RP's strengths and weaknesses. Our lack of consistency can be attributed partly to a lack of mental toughness (which in turn is a result of a lack of international experience and playing together). Mental toughness in this case is not just about "swagger" and confidence (which we have in abundance) but also focus, concentration and on-game discipline. By playing more competitive games together, though, I hope we can correct this.

This is something we can learn from Korea, in particular your discipline in executing game plans and your "no excuses" attitude. Mental toughness indeed!

Our players, on the other hand, still have a tendency to relax or lose focus in short bursts -- but we can't afford this in FIBA-Asia, where 1 good run is enough to make or break a game. While we have a solid heart and fighting spirit, it is important to convert this into intense focus, which is an area for improvement.

Project888
05-09-2007, 09:28 AM
TOP 10
1. China
2. Philippines
3. Lebanon
4. Korea

5. Qatar
6. Iran
7. Jordan
8. Japan
9. Chinese Taipei
10. Kazakhstan

Grr_tiger
05-09-2007, 01:29 PM
since China will not be sending Yao Ming and its Team A, i think it's a wide open race and anybody can win this tournament.


Jordan is becoming a threat, Lebanon is still strong as ever, Qatar keeps on getting more reinforcements, South Korea is unpredictable, and our Team Pilipinas is excited and upbeat.


i have a question, has the Lebanon NT started practicing and who will be in the lineup?

Grr_tiger
05-09-2007, 01:41 PM
if only we had the money to naturalize Baron Davis and play for the RP Team. hehe, kidding.


actually, i'm quite wary of South Korea.


they still are a very strong team despite their recent decline.

i believe the South Korean NT will be visiting the Philippines this June, not sure yet.

Phantim3dx
05-09-2007, 03:20 PM
if only we had the money to naturalize Baron Davis and play for the RP Team. hehe, kidding.


actually, i'm quite wary of South Korea.


they still are a very strong team despite their recent decline.

i believe the South Korean NT will be visiting the Philippines this June, not sure yet.


let me know the info once u get more on this dude would be appreciated

karim
05-09-2007, 11:05 PM
You still didn't get it do you???

i am not living in the past achievements of our NT. The point is, i am just showing to these guys that if we were able to make it to the top before, we can make it happen again. I am not saying that we are the best team in asia right now... not yet... may be after this asian championship.

i know what's happening in the arab basketball because im staying in this oil reach land for two years now... and watching their brand of basketball and ours allow me to compare and give assesment on which team could perform well in the upcoming asian chamionship. In this part of the world - arab region... basketball is still way too long to go before it could level the kind of love and the brand of game we are playing in the philippines...

the sudden rise of lebanon and qatar in international basketball is cannot be credited fully to the development of sports in their respective countries... it's because of the naturalized players.

I am just wondering what if the FIBA didn't imposed a ban on us... and we were able to play in international competitions with our Class A players? What would it be??? would there be lebanon and qatar in the WBC???

It's a two year ban... a lot of things could have happened if we were allowed to play...

No man Lebanon has only vogel naturalized(1 player being naturalized is totally legal)qatar has 11 and they naturalized a center called mamadou last week , his new name is mohammad yasmine :)

jramoyo
05-09-2007, 11:15 PM
all i can say is that, take out the god dam powerhouse (china), and this tournament is going to be really fun!

p.s. why do i keep on pressing the "go advance" button? grrr

vladski
05-10-2007, 04:10 AM
A breeze or an ambush awaits SMC-Team Philippines in Ratchaburi, Thailand as it plays the host team, Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore in a single-round, no-final competition to dispute the SEABA men's championship from May 24-28.

The Nationals take opening-day bye on the 24th, then tackle Singapore on the 25th, Malaysia on the 26th, Indonesia on the 27th and Thailand on the 28th.

The team with the best record after the single round robin is automatically declared the champion. Ties will be resolved by the quotient system of tiebreak.

"The schedule and the format of competition obviously were designed to favor the host team. They scheduled us to play four straight games with them as our final opponent. They're looking for an ambush," said PBA commissioner Noli Eala.

PBA coaches say the host apparently is thinking that's the best way to upset the Philippines, resigned to the fact that they can't beat the Filipinos twice.

But coach Junel Baculi, a new addition to coach Chot Reyes' staff, believes there's no way the all-pro RP team can be beaten in SEABA.

The Nationals can't afford not to win the SEABA championship as it serves as the qualifier among Southeast Asian countries for the FIBA-Asia championship in Tokoshima, Japan in July.

The team warms up for SEABA and the FIBA-Asia Championship as it leaves tomorrow for Tehran, Iran for the Fiba-Asia Champions Cup from May 12-22.

"We're not going to Tehran to win. We're going there to get better," said RP team coach Chot Reyes on his decision not to exercise their right to play with an import in the Champions Cup.

Twelfth man Enrico Villanueva, accompanied by RP team assistant coach Nash Racela, follows the RP team in Tehran right after Red Bull's out-of-town game in Cebu versus San Miguel Beer Saturday.

Right after the Red Bull-San Miguel game, Villanueva takes the 9:30 p.m. Cebu Pacific flight to Manila then tries to catch the 12:20 a.m. Emirates Air to Tehran.

Still uncertain is Villanueva's stint in the SEABA men's championship.

The Thais, who have reportedly recruited two Thai-American players, could well offer the toughest challenge to the Nationals in SEABA. They didn't expose their recruits as they opted not to play in the recent SEABA Champions Cup in Jakarta.

vladski
05-10-2007, 04:37 AM
The Thais, who have reportedly recruited two Thai-American players, could well offer the toughest challenge to the Nationals in SEABA. They didn't expose their recruits as they opted not to play in the recent SEABA Champions Cup in Jakarta.

THis news is one of the reason I put Korea on top of the other team in asia. I guess korea will surprise its opponents in the asian games with their new players. Korea knows how to play good basketball, and they love surprises... they have proven it a couple of times before against china and philippines...

I am worried about the koreans because they know how to scout the philippine team... and they are really prepared to play against us. Korea can beat Lebanon, japan and Qatar... and even philippines with their new team. They always been an explosive team and i am expecting them to be a lot more better this coming Fiba asia champ. But before that, the SEABA which is the qualifying for the FIBA ASIA.

CHINA TEAM
05-10-2007, 08:38 AM
We are at our home watching the embarassing games of Chinese against European teams...hahaha

Dont you know what's happening in international basketball????
we were banned by FIBA for 2 years... how do you expect us to play??? misinformed or no information at all????



Where is your brain???

the reason why you are sending Team B is because you dont need to play hard and win just to be eligible to play for 2008 beijing Olympics. As a host nation you are already qualified.

Your NT is avoiding to be scouted by other teams...especially Philippines... ask your coach which teams they are most weary to play against??? hehehe and you will get the answer...



Chinese Teipei is good but not good enough to paly our TEAM A... remember that we were sending Team C & D in most of the international competitions where we were in the losing end...

Taipei is not the team to beat in asia... it's your team china... we will see you in the finals.... mark my word...

YOur team has nothing to brag... yours is up to asia only...

Please don‘t too arrogant vlaski,please look at this video,is this your“Basketball power”??Funny!~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n09bKNnYWPs

How do you beat us, to depend on dirty petty action???:o

vladski
05-10-2007, 09:00 AM
Please don‘t too arrogant vlaski,please look at this video,is this your“Basketball power”??Funny!~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n09bKNnYWPs

How do you beat us, to depend on dirty petty action???:o


Thank you for showing your "uncontrolled behaviour" in court.

The referee could have called a foul against our player but look what your Big Zebra looking guy did to our player... a traitor's act... what a loser... just because of a could have been fouled backs out... he put his damn fist to this guy...fighting behind his back is not something to be proud of CHINA TEAM.

Though i don't know these guys... i mean our players... i guess they are from Class C or D team...

Don't be too sensitive when i ask for your achievements in World Basketball...
Just show something else... okay???

Ohhhh may be you've got nothing to show off... so you picked this video instead hoping to put us in shame... but the video tells us otherwise...hehehe... oh man... sometimes you have to use your brain...

Hope next time you do.....hehehehe....

Phantim3dx
05-10-2007, 10:06 AM
UPDATE


everybody just stay frosty before the mods come in and have to settle this we don't want flagrant's going into each others name.

moving along i have no idea who these guys are, is this a university/college game of asia?

cant assume right away if the ref did call a foul or not, i hope so. this is what im talking about though in terms of playing physical pesty defense, normally most asia teams dont like the rough play of being in the paint. if the philippines team want to succeed i see no reason as to why they shouldnt play this way; if anything it will disturb the opposing team and make them lose some steam in that case the ref would then have no other solution but to call a foul on the team who first threw the punch.

if you look @ the NBA some of the best players have tricks up there sleeves like no other. john stockton was probably one of the cheapest players out there in dirty plays, lets not even begin with dennis rodman and how he got into people's heads, or currently bruce bowen.

the game is not only about physical and athletic abilities but mental toughness; you break the mental toughness rest goes down with it.

hey china team is that chinese tea from mainland or is this taiwan, just wondering?

im going to go off topic here for a moment just a brief moment in terms of rough physical play; if you look @ intl competitions teams like Team USA, as well as others who play physical and don't mind it is it however because that the US shares the title as being a 1st world power in which the Chinese natl team is humble to do something like this, when compared to a developing country such as the Philippines. example would be chen jianghua when he went into the reebok abcd camp was it? i believe he twisted or got some slight basketball injury to his ankles(nothing serious @ all he continued to play) and also had an icepack over his forehead if i remember correctly but did nothing in terms of physical action. now it could be 1. because the guys in the US are bigger and the US holds a superpower status AND/OR 2. chen has a higher mental toughness than the guy you saw who threw the punch. you guys can debate about this so long as it doesnt go off topic it starts the subthread into a flame war totally baseless on what the original thread was meant to be.

here you can see from 50 seconds to 1 minute of chen jianghua and the commentator stating he took some physical play which the chinese are not used to. AMAZINGLY though he didnt react in terms of physical violence but continued to punish those man handling him with better moves.

dBDCxUg9mgg

Burndvinyard
05-11-2007, 01:48 AM
Just too cool things down, and since the elections for the 12 hottest Senate seats are here again (to fool the people), an interesting "news" just came in. :)

According to a source, while the current Philippine NT that's headed for Iran has the objective of playing the 2008 Beijing Olympics, there is another Philippine "A" Team currently brewing underground and secretly undergoing a strenuous and rigid big man training for the 2012 London Olympics!!! :eek:

They may be the oldest team ever to be formed, but the trainors claim that these players will never be the same old slow giants anymore. The future tall, quick, mobile shooting "A" Team 12-man line up was revealed:

-- rAul dillo (san juan knights/MBA) - 7'3" Center;)
-- edwArd joseph feihl (welcoat dragons/PBA)- 7'1" Center
-- Andy seigle (ginebra kings/PBA) - 6'10" Center/Forward
-- mArlou Aquino (sta.lucia realtors/PBA) - 6'9" Forward
-- jApeth Aguilar (western kentucky univ./US NCAA)- 6'10" Forward
-- mArk AndAyA (air 21 express/PBA) - 6'8" Forward
-- rAfi reAvis (ginebra kings/PBA) - 6'8" Forward
-- emAn sAmigue (R'orS'/PBL) - 6'10" Forward
-- sonny AlvArAdo (tanduay masters/PBA) - 6'7" Guard/Forward (Filipino citizenship issues now being worked out);)
-- gAbe norwood (george mason university/US NCAA) - 6'5" Guard
-- john Arigo (coca-cola tigers/PBA) - 6'5" Guard
and......
-- michAel "topex" robinson (red bull barakos/PBA) - 5'6" Guard:D

magbuo na din kayo ng "A" team nyo...tayo-tayo na lang mga Pinoy magkaintindihan ha...:) :D

kerouac82
05-11-2007, 03:12 AM
Just too cool things down, and since the elections for the 12 hottest Senate seats are here again (to fool the people), an interesting "news" just came in. :)

According to a source, while the current Philippine NT that's headed for Iran has the objective of playing the 2008 Beijing Olympics, there is another Philippine "A" Team currently brewing underground and secretly undergoing a strenuous and rigid big man training for the 2012 London Olympics!!! :eek:

They may be the oldest team ever to be formed, but the trainors claim that these players will never be the same old slow giants anymore. The future tall, quick, mobile shooting "A" Team 12-man line up was revealed:

-- rAul dillo (san juan knights/MBA) - 7'3" Center;)
-- edwArd joseph feihl (welcoat dragons/PBA)- 7'1" Center
-- Andy seigle (ginebra kings/PBA) - 6'10" Center/Forward
-- mArlou Aquino (sta.lucia realtors/PBA) - 6'9" Forward
-- jApeth Aguilar (western kentucky univ./US NCAA)- 6'10" Forward
-- mArk AndAyA (air 21 express/PBA) - 6'8" Forward
-- rAfi reAvis (ginebra kings/PBA) - 6'8" Forward
-- emAn sAmigue (R'orS'/PBL) - 6'10" Forward
-- sonny AlvArAdo (tanduay masters/PBA) - 6'7" Guard/Forward (Filipino citizenship issues now being worked out);)
-- gAbe norwood (george mason university/US NCAA) - 6'5" Guard
-- john Arigo (coca-cola tigers/PBA) - 6'5" Guard
and......
-- michAel "topex" robinson (red bull barakos/PBA) - 5'6" Guard:D

magbuo na din kayo ng "A" team nyo...tayo-tayo na lang mga Pinoy magkaintindihan ha...:) :D

Don't forget the following:

GiAn Chiu (Desert Christian HS/US) - 6'8" PF/C
Rino BerAme (Univ of Visayas/CESAFI) - 6'8" PF
RAbeh Al-HussAini (AdMU/UAAP) - 6'8" C
MichAel PAlArcA (South Dakota State/NCAA) - 5'10" PG

There's more of it where it came from. Hehe.:D

PRSURF
05-11-2007, 03:46 AM
-- sonny AlvArAdo (tanduay masters/PBA) - 6'7" Guard/Forward (Filipino citizenship issues now being worked out)K2, you see that?, the puertorican is going to play with the Philippine NT :eek:

Grr_tiger
05-11-2007, 03:20 PM
K2, you see that?, the puertorican is going to play with the Philippine NT :eek:


:p



......................

ravn21
05-11-2007, 07:44 PM
my top 4 team will be:

1. PHI
2. PHI
3. PHI
4. PHI

Hehehe! just joking! actually right now we really don't have any top 4 teams in asia in my own opinion.... the only power house team that regardless of any reason is China, because if your really going to base it from the past and present times their are the team to beat. But the real story here is not about china, because we are really talking about of who's going to qualify aside china. We all know that china have already qualify in the olympics so if I'm going to pick my 4 teams with no specific order I would say Korea,Lebanon,Japan and maybe Qatar. I'll place the PHI as a dark horse considering we've been out for 2yrs but I think we are the most dangerous team. Also in the list our Chinese Taipei, Jordan, Syria and Kazakshtan. Well guys all of our opinions will be put to the test in this coming Champions Cup. I wish that whoever emerges as the champion country will really be deserving. Anyway it's really doesn't matter who win but who will qualify right?:) :)

stuart
05-11-2007, 07:53 PM
Hey guys, lets keep things civil and on-topic.

A couple deep breaths everyone. Cheers

Stuart

ravn21
05-11-2007, 08:13 PM
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Actually sir in that video you can't just generalize the type of play the PHI has. For me what the filipino player did is just the dirty tactics in basketball, in Filipino word: "gulang" means be physically dirty. I think it's normal for most of the teams to do that sometimes specially if the game is really important but what the chinese player did is not basketball.... it's boxing! if that's the case we really need to call Paquiao. It only shows that chinese players can't play physical type of game and it also show that the player who did that is not a sportman or not mentally mature to play.... It's really humiliating on your part, for you to show this video. tsk! tsk! just an advice next tym plz think 1st b4 posting thnx!




Please don‘t too arrogant vlaski,please look at this video,is this your“Basketball power”??Funny!~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n09bKNnYWPs

How do you beat us, to depend on dirty petty action???:o

SkyWalker
05-12-2007, 05:26 AM
This is a fact, and i hope every Filipino here in the forum will agree with me.
The Philippines/PBA has a lot of good players. When Chot Reyes assembled the NT, he really HAD A HARD TIME choosing players. Just look at this collective names of players who'll be playin for the NT.

Current player in the NT
Asi Taulava - BYU-Hawaii (NCAA div2)
Mic Pennisi - Eastern Michigan ( NCAA div1)
Kerby Raymundo
Ranidel De Ocampo
Danny Seigle - Wagner College ( NCAA div1)
Tony Dela Cruz - UC- Berkley ( NCAA div2)
DonDon Hontiveros
Mark Caguioa - Glendale Community College
Jayjay Helterbrand - Kentucky State ( NCAA div2)
Ren Ren Ritualo
Jimmy Alapag - Cal State-San Bernardino ( NCAA div2)


Players who werent chosen for the NT. I also included players in the amateur ranks.

Kelly Williams - Oakland University ( NCAA div1)
Jay Washington - Eckerd College ( NCAA div2)
Raffy Reavis - Coppin State ( NCAA div1)
Eric Menk
Sonny Thoss
Willie Miller - 2002 PBA MVP
James Yap - 2006 PBA MVP
Alex Cabagnot - Univ. of Hawaii-Hilo ( NCAA div2)
John Arigo - Univ of Tampa ( NCAA div2)
Japeth Aguilar - Western Kentucky Univ( NCAA div1)
Dorian Pena - Coppin State ( NCAA div1)
Yancy De Ocampo
Denver Lopez - Cal State Fullerton ( NCAA div1) - must improve his leadership
JR Reyes
Gabe Norwood - George Mason Univ. (NCAA div1)
KG Canaleta
Joe Devance - Univ of Texas -El Paso ( NCAA div1) - man where is this guy?
Eman Samigue

i just wonder, with this kind of talent, I think we can send 3 teams to the ABC, and win some ballgames.

ctongco
05-12-2007, 05:44 AM
This is a fact, and i hope every Filipino here in the forum will agree with me.
The Philippines/PBA has a lot of good players. When Chot Reyes assembled the NT, he really HAD A HARD TIME choosing players. Just look at this collective names of players who'll be playin for the NT.

Current player in the NT
Asi Taulava - BYU-Hawaii (NCAA div2)
Mic Pennisi - Eastern Michigan ( NCAA div1)
Kerby Raymundo
Ranidel De Ocampo
Danny Seigle - Wagner College ( NCAA div1)
Tony Dela Cruz - UC- Berkley ( NCAA div2)
DonDon Hontiveros
Mark Caguioa - Glendale Community College
Jayjay Helterbrand - Kentucky State ( NCAA div2)
Ren Ren Ritualo
Jimmy Alapag - Cal State-San Bernardino ( NCAA div2)


Players who werent chosen for the NT. I also included players in the amateur ranks.

Kelly Williams - Oakland University ( NCAA div1)
Jay Washington - Eckerd College ( NCAA div2)
Raffy Reavis - Coppin State ( NCAA div1)
Eric Menk
Sonny Thoss
Willie Miller - 2002 PBA MVP
James Yap - 2006 PBA MVP
Alex Cabagnot - Univ. of Hawaii-Hilo ( NCAA div2)
John Arigo - Univ of Tampa ( NCAA div2)
Japeth Aguilar - Western Kentucky Univ( NCAA div1)
Dorian Pena - Coppin State ( NCAA div1)
Yancy De Ocampo
Denver Lopez - Cal State Fullerton ( NCAA div1) - must improve his leadership
JR Reyes
Gabe Norwood - George Mason Univ. (NCAA div1)
KG Canaleta
Joe Devance - Univ of Texas -El Paso ( NCAA div1) - man where is this guy?
Eman Samigue

i just wonder, with this kind of talent, I think we can send 3 teams to the ABC, and win some ballgames.


I'll add some you did not mention but are very good players.

Gary David
Arwind Santos
Larry Fonacier
Marvin Cruz
JC Intal
Joseph Yeo
LA Tenorio

Who else?
Some of these guys might be part of our future national teams.

bobo81
05-12-2007, 01:28 PM
China's B team is still a 3-pt threat, yes they can shoot so don't just knock them off. Jordan? Jordan who? I won't assume they have changed much by adding some people. We'll see. Qatar is the same team as always. Lebanon, we will see. RP I don't know about, I wish them the best of luck but considering they havnt been together for a long time I wouldn't be suprised if they crash and burn.

taipan
05-12-2007, 02:57 PM
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Actually sir in that video you can't just generalize the type of play the PHI has. For me what the filipino player did is just the dirty tactics in basketball, in Filipino word: "gulang" means be physically dirty. I think it's normal for most of the teams to do that sometimes specially if the game is really important but what the chinese player did is not basketball.... it's boxing! if that's the case we really need to call Paquiao. It only shows that chinese players can't play physical type of game and it also show that the player who did that is not a sportman or not mentally mature to play.... It's really humiliating on your part, for you to show this video. tsk! tsk! just an advice next tym plz think 1st b4 posting thnx!

Mr., Just want to let you know, those are Chinese Taipei players and not the China NT players. I beleive, the vedio was captured last year when the Filipinos visited Taipei for so sort of competition.
Next time, please make sure you are get enough info. before you make your comments.

Cheers.

erektus
05-12-2007, 04:29 PM
Mr. Taipan, it would also do you well to get enough facts on the matter hehehe.

The video was taken not last year but way back in 1999, when the Iloilo Megavoltz (a second-tier club team from the now defunct MBA league) represented the Philippines in the Jones Cup. This wasn't the RP Team and yes, the Megavoltz players engaged the Taiwanese players in an ugly melee.

Shameful day for Asian basketball. But by far the ugliest melees ever in Asian basketball was that between China and Lebanon a few years ago, where not only fists but scissors were used. Hopefully, under FIBA's watchful eye, these incidents would not be repeated.

cheers



Mr., Just want to let you know, those are Chinese Taipei players and not the China NT players. I beleive, the vedio was captured last year when the Filipinos visited Taipei for so sort of competition.
Next time, please make sure you are get enough info. before you make your comments.

Cheers.

Cool Cat
05-12-2007, 06:18 PM
Hello guys..i'm new here...just want to contribute something and share...w/ you all...
All Filipinos hope will agree..this is our time to SHINE and back in the Olympic scene...some of asian countries really didn't know the real Philippines NT...because in the past year the PBA (Philippines Basketball Association) is committed only to send its cager to the ASIAN games...while in the international competition we only send the Class C&D player mostly from the Amateur Leagues and College players...Thank to the Manny Pangilinan the President of SBP-BAP...and all basketball affiliation comes to and agreement to send its best players to any international competitions....and this is the time....I know the ASIAN neighbors don't know the stat's of our players...and that is good...for a surprise Bomb ahead of them...

my top 4 asian team:

1. China
2. Philippines
3. Korea
4. Lebanon

(don't disregard the Chinese Taipe and Japan..they are also darkhorse in ASIA)

bognut
05-13-2007, 06:38 AM
Joe Devance - Univ of Texas -El Paso ( NCAA div1) - man where is this guy?


Fixin his papers!

lrangels
05-13-2007, 07:44 AM
I think Lebanon so far has some sort of a top favorite to win the FIBA-Asia Championships because of their achievements in the last two years now that the Chinese are sending a junior or youth squad.

To be honest, I'm as excited as anyone else, but I'm still not sure were the Philippines should be placed if the tournament would start today. Although, the best thing is that we're finally sending the best players we can assemble.

I guess this will be a very exciting Asian Championships. And, if the tournament comes out well with less than 20 point margins on games, may be FIBA will considering of having more Asian teams to play in the Olympics next time because of the quality of Basketball we're producing.

;)

lrangels
05-13-2007, 07:48 AM
Hello guys..i'm new here...just want to contribute

my top 4 asian team:

1. China
2. Philippines
3. Korea
4. Lebanon

(don't disregard the Chinese Taipe and Japan..they are also darkhorse in ASIA)

It might sound a little odd to put Lebanon on 4th because for this team to fall on 4th or worse, I guess only a disaster or them deciding to beg off for the tournament for that to happen. I know Korea will pull something amazing since they have a different team now, but it's still tough to imagine if they'll be place higher than Lebanon. Although, the ball is round and we never now.

I would probably put China in 4th and place Lebanon at 1st. I think Philippines can place better than Korea because of a so-called motivation factor the Philippines has since not only the players, but as well as the fans who are itching to be get some sort of a revenge against the Koreans. Although, it's still tough to tell.

And if this (China, Lebanon, Korea and Philippines) would be the semi-final round, man... I think the average margin between the two games is definitely will be single digits.

;)

karim
05-13-2007, 08:29 AM
now theres a smart guy talking.....FINALLY !!! look IF lebanon can get their best players 2gether including brian beshara and brazlilian lebanese adriano ibrahim 2gether i think they will play a strong final with philippines and i dont know who will win cuz philippines shoot the ball better and are quicker whereas lebanon are taller and more experienced and i it will be a very close game....if lebanon cant get adriano ibrahim and brian and dont prepare soon or change their new bad coach....i think philippines will beat them especially that there wont be much of any size advantage anymore , beshara(205) and adriano(208) will be missing , thats alot of height on the 3 and 4 positions , in that case i think lebanon will be placed 2nd or 3rd depending on qatar and philippines would probably win it....

lrangels
05-13-2007, 01:43 PM
now theres a smart guy talking.....FINALLY !!! look IF lebanon can get their best players 2gether including brian beshara and brazlilian lebanese adriano ibrahim 2gether i think they will play a strong final with philippines and i dont know who will win cuz philippines shoot the ball better and are quicker whereas lebanon are taller and more experienced and i it will be a very close game....if lebanon cant get adriano ibrahim and brian and dont prepare soon or change their new bad coach....i think philippines will beat them especially that there wont be much of any size advantage anymore , beshara(205) and adriano(208) will be missing , thats alot of height on the 3 and 4 positions , in that case i think lebanon will be placed 2nd or 3rd depending on qatar and philippines would probably win it....

Yeah, good point!!! I forgot about Qatar. I think Qatar would be able to make it in the semis considering that they still have a solid core. Japan could pull off something since they're hosting.

Karim. What happened to the old coach of the Lebanese NT? He seems to be a good coach.

;)

Sakamoto
05-13-2007, 06:46 PM
according to statistics and performance philippines is 2nd ? they havent competed in a tournament in 50 years to know :P
1.China
2.Lebanon
3.Qatar
4.South Korea
just like they were in 2005 .....philippines arent in the top 16 now
Its because politics in basketball leadership thats why we were not able to send our best players in the FIBA sanctioned games. When the professional
players were allowed to play in the FIBA games, the Philippines send an all Pro team in the 1990 Beijing ASIAD and we place 2nd to China. The PBA commitment is the Asian Games thats why we were not able to send our best players in the ABC Championships which is the qualifying for the olympics and world basketball. But today it will be a different story because basketball leaders are already united and we have one common goal, to qualify for the olympics. Please not forget that the philippines has the best place ever in world basketball. Bronze Medal in the 1954 World Basketball Championships beating Italy. The members of the team were also responsible for the gold medal finished in the 1st four staging of the asian games.(1951 - 1962)

Oz_Pinoy23
05-13-2007, 10:20 PM
my top 4 team will be:

1. PHI
2. PHI
3. PHI
4. PHI

Hehehe! just joking! actually right now we really don't have any top 4 teams in asia in my own opinion.... the only power house team that regardless of any reason is China, because if your really going to base it from the past and present times their are the team to beat. But the real story here is not about china, because we are really talking about of who's going to qualify aside china. We all know that china have already qualify in the olympics so if I'm going to pick my 4 teams with no specific order I would say Korea,Lebanon,Japan and maybe Qatar. I'll place the PHI as a dark horse considering we've been out for 2yrs but I think we are the most dangerous team. Also in the list our Chinese Taipei, Jordan, Syria and Kazakshtan. Well guys all of our opinions will be put to the test in this coming Champions Cup. I wish that whoever emerges as the champion country will really be deserving. Anyway it's really doesn't matter who win but who will qualify right?:) :)

Right!!! agree..:)

kerouac82
05-14-2007, 06:16 AM
Fixin his papers!

Joe Devance will be playing in the PBL soon. I read in the papers last week that he was in the U.S. taking care of his dad. He will be joining Toyota-Balintawak within the month.

Still, I wonder where Rob Reyes is. He'll be a potential 1st-rounder if ever he chose to stick to Harbour and apply for this year's draft.

bognut
05-14-2007, 10:31 AM
Joe Devance will be playing in the PBL soon. I read in the papers last week that he was in the U.S. taking care of his dad. He will be joining Toyota-Balintawak within the month.

Still, I wonder where Rob Reyes is. He'll be a potential 1st-rounder if ever he chose to stick to Harbour and apply for this year's draft.

they were supposed to be among the top picks along with Kelly Williams, but the two backed-out coz their papers aint complete... They did well in the PBL winning championships... I just hope they'll be back this year and hope they do play for RP team someday.

MrMakalaglag
05-14-2007, 11:29 PM
Lol.

Forumers from the Philippines name their team as number 2, but the national team can't even get past South Korea.

Forumers from Lebanon name their team as number 2, but their team can't even fare better than Chinese Taipei in recent tournaments.

"Objectivity" and "forums" truly cannot be used in the same sentence.

Putangina mga taga-Labanus na mga to! Wee!

raymondcajigal
05-15-2007, 12:30 PM
RP team shld be considered as a dark horse but certainly not in the top 4 at the moment.China,qatar,lebanon and south korea i think are in the top 4.but shld the current RP Team will be kept intact with minor additions,this team will a force to reckoned with in asia in the next 2 to 3 years time.:)

anti_morales
05-15-2007, 03:38 PM
Without bias, I say Philippines is 2nd.

1. China
2. - 3. Philippines
2. - 3. South Korea
4. Chinese Taipei
5. Lebanon

I lowly regard Qatar. In their last 4 games against Philippine teams (Selecta, Happee in 2002 and San Miguel in 2005) They were defeated by an average of 15 points. Qatar NT is overrated. And so is Lebanon. Philippines NT and Chinese Taipei NT are the darkhorses while South Korea has reached its peak and is going down.

jiefangjun
05-16-2007, 12:49 AM
today's top 4 teams in Asia
1.china
2.Lebanon
and no particular order of S.Korea and Qatar


Japan, Philippines, Iran and Jordan might have 40% of chances to surprise Korean and qatari.

jiefangjun
05-16-2007, 01:27 AM
China's B team is still a 3-pt threat, yes they can shoot so don't just knock them off. Jordan? Jordan who? I won't assume they have changed much by adding some people. We'll see. Qatar is the same team as always. Lebanon, we will see. RP I don't know about, I wish them the best of luck but considering they havnt been together for a long time I wouldn't be suprised if they crash and burn.

our B team will have 5 tune up games in the coming week, 3 against our A team (No Yaoming and No Yi Jianlian) and 2 against an Australian club team. If they could manage losing no more than 20 points, I will say they are still a contender in the coming FIBA-asian championship.

igorotski
05-16-2007, 05:26 AM
hey, im a filipino, pinoy ako!mkinig kayo pls listen. for god's sake, pls! let's stop being excessively proud of our NT. im proud of it but not to the point i keep sying that it beat lebanon, we won bronze in world 50yrs ago blah blah blah.... we keep saying it's the most dangerous whatever.. all i want us is to look at the present, not at statistics, past stuffs, etc. also, lets give compliments to our team but let's not be sooo comparative.

anyways, good luck rp team on your upcoming tourneys! kaya nyu yan!

ctongco
05-16-2007, 05:33 AM
Basing on recent results from the FIBA-Asia Champions cup.

In no particular order. Any team can be 1,2,3,4.


1-4. China, Lebanon, S. Korea, Qatar.

ctongco
05-16-2007, 05:37 AM
Without bias, I say Philippines is 2nd.

1. China
2. - 3. Philippines
2. - 3. South Korea
4. Chinese Taipei
5. Lebanon

I lowly regard Qatar. In their last 4 games against Philippine teams (Selecta, Happee in 2002 and San Miguel in 2005) They were defeated by an average of 15 points. Qatar NT is overrated. And so is Lebanon. Philippines NT and Chinese Taipei NT are the darkhorses while South Korea has reached its peak and is going down.


I would have to disagree with you that Lebanon is overrated. Their good showing in last year's WC, their consistent dominance in the FIBA-Champions cup over the last couple/several years, and their consistent strong performance in the FIBA-Asia Championship show that they are indeed a strong team.

SkyWalker
05-16-2007, 05:53 AM
Basing on recent results from the FIBA-Asia Champions cup.

In no particular order. Any team can be 1,2,3,4.


1-4. China, Lebanon, S. Korea, Qatar.

This is funny. Gauging by the results of Asia Clubs Championships. is this a joke?

China and korea are not even part of it. haha, this is funny. pinoy nga naman. If

RP team wins, we had a lot of praises, but if the team losses, kambyo agad.

haha..

ctongco
05-16-2007, 06:00 AM
This is funny. Gauging by the results of Asia Clubs Championships. is this a joke?

China and korea are not even part of it. haha, this is funny. pinoy nga naman. If

RP team wins, we had a lot of praises, but if the team losses, kambyo agad.

haha..


You misuderstood me. What I meant was that basing on the results of FIBA-Asia Champions Cup RP is not doing well. Before FIBA-Asia Champions Cup I had RP together with China, Lebanon and S. Korea, in no particular order, from 1-4. Now, since RP is performing poorly in the recent tournament, I lowered their position from top 4. Ok? Ohh and by the way I'm not changing lanes. If you would have read my posts over last few years here at interbasket you would have found out that I am a strong supporter of the PHILIPPINE NATIONAL BASKETBALL TEAM.

SkyWalker
05-16-2007, 06:14 AM
Hi,

Its funny that more filipinos are feeling bitter with the results of the Asian Clubs Championship. They wont still accept the real objective and goal of Chot and the RP team. The ABC olympic qualifyer will always be the priority, and thats the reason why Chot took his boys to the Asian Clubs Championship. Playing against top Asian Clubs will certainly give the RP team the much neede test and experience. It doesnt mean that when the RP joined this tournamnet, is that were here to sweep off the opposition. Thats a big no, since some of the teams here are reinforced by imports. So I guess, Filipinos should not be concern when they see RP team is getting beaten. Coz what hurts me the most, is that some Filipinos in this forum doesnt know how to coach, but when they throw bad things against Coach Chot, is like they're a coaching God and knows everything. And thats not right. When RP team is winning, all I see is smiling faces. Now, when RP team is losing, everyones against Coach Chot. What's the problem with you Filipinos? Coach Chot has the most sacrifice of all coaches in the Phils. He took the job, even though he knows, that there'll be much criticism on his part. Now, no one wants to believe him that RP team is just using this as a kick-off tournament. We're still fresh from that 2yr suspension, and if you're a smart ass, you wouldn't point your fingers to anyone, espcially to coach chot. I, myself is a basketball coach too, and its hard for me to be criticized by people who doesnt know anything about coaching. So guys, lets keep our heads up, the real prize is the ABC championship, regardless of what happened here in the Asian Clubs Championship. Cheers.




Nagmamahal,
Inday Baduday

ctongco
05-16-2007, 06:19 AM
Totally agree with you. As a fan I am very disappointed with the losses that we have. However, I remain optimistic because I know the quality of players that we have and the plan that coach chot said (in his interview). What I can't take is that other filipinos lambasting the team for their poor performance. It's ok to be disappointed. Let me put it this way, a good sword is forged by fire.




Hi,

Its funny that more filipinos are feeling bitter with the results of the Asian Clubs Championship. They wont still accept the real objective and goal of Chot and the RP team. The ABC olympic qualifyer will always be the priority, and thats the reason why Chot took his boys to the Asian Clubs Championship. Playing against top Asian Clubs will certainly give the RP team the much neede test and experience. It doesnt mean that when the RP joined this tournamnet, is that were here to sweep off the opposition. Thats a big no, since some of the teams here are reinforced by imports. So I guess, Filipinos should not be concern when they see RP team is getting beaten. Coz what hurts me the most, is that some Filipinos in this forum doesnt know how to coach, but when they throw bad things against Coach Chot, is like they're a coaching God and knows everything. And thats not right. When RP team is winning, all I see is smiling faces. Now, when RP team is losing, everyones against Coach Chot. What's the problem with you Filipinos? Coach Chot has the most sacrifice of all coaches in the Phils. He took the job, even though he knows, that there'll be much criticism on his part. Now, no one wants to believe him that RP team is just using this as a kick-off tournament. We're still fresh from that 2yr suspension, and if you're a smart ass, you wouldn't point your fingers to anyone, espcially to coach chot. I, myself is a basketball coach too, and its hard for me to be criticized by people who doesnt know anything about coaching. So guys, lets keep our heads up, the real prize is the ABC championship, regardless of what happened here in the Asian Clubs Championship. Cheers.




Nagmamahal,
Inday Baduday

SkyWalker
05-16-2007, 06:26 AM
What I meant was that basing on the results of FIBA-Asia Champions Cup RP is not doing well. Before FIBA-Asia Champions Cup I had RP together with China, Lebanon and S. Korea, in no particular order, from 1-4. Now, since RP is performing poorly in the recent tournament, I lowered their position from top 4.

No man i didnt misunderstood you. You cant base the performance of our RP team just because were losing in a clubs tournament. RP team has yet to use some of its dreaded trapping defense, as well as their 3 guard combo offense. Those things are yet to be use since Chot and RP team is using this as a kick-off tournament. May I ask you, what are your reason when you said RP team is not doing well? Is it because were'nt winning games in this tournament?

ravn21
05-16-2007, 06:27 AM
ei lets just be cool, we all are patriotic about our country.... ehehe! right now we just need to pray for our own NT to do good on the most impt. games.

ctongco
05-16-2007, 06:31 AM
No man i didnt misunderstood you. You cant base the performance of our RP team just because were losing in a clubs tournament. RP team has yet to use some of its dreaded trapping defense, as well as their 3 guard combo offense. Those things are yet to be use since Chot and RP team is using this as a kick-off tournament. May I ask you, what are your reason when you said RP team is not doing well? Is it because were'nt winning games in this tournament?


I know what you mean. The performance that I evaluated is the performance of RP in this tourney. We lost some games, we can't be going up in rankings right? However, I am confident that we are better than this.

interxavierxxx
05-16-2007, 09:35 AM
Hey u guys! What about the top 4 teams in Southeast Asia?

dynamiteintherock
05-16-2007, 09:43 AM
Hey u guys! What about the top 4 teams in Southeast Asia?

Forget about the top 4 teams in Asia, lets talk about the Philippine National Team, puro pilipino lang naman nag-uusap...

interxavierxxx
05-16-2007, 09:46 AM
do u think there's a chance we will lose a game in SEABA?

vladski
05-16-2007, 09:57 AM
do u think there's a chance we will lose a game in SEABA?

Despite of the losses of the RP squad in Iran... i dont think we will lost a game in SEABA... we are still the powerhouse in this part of asia... so nothing to worry though...

My Top 4 teams still remains the same... in FIBA ASIA in Japan the standings would be...

1. Philippines
2. China
3. Lebanon
4. Japan/Lebanon/Qatar

Coach Chot is using the Fiba Champions Cup in Tehran as a decoy... this is very clear when we lost 3 outings in a row... and last game with syria is a confirmation of what could be the "true" intentions of the RP squad in that tourney...

We were able to win against USBL pro team which is one of the professional league in the US and one of the best market for import prospects for club teams in asia, autralia and europe... so i don't think we played in iran to really win a game...

But tonight Philippines will bounce back against Bahrain... and from quarter finals to finals... all guns are blazing for PHIL NT...

Why bother to win all the games when you still enter in the quarter finals with 1 win... and that win will be against bahrain game...

so Philippines will be in the quarter finals... and you will see a different type RP team squad that is if coach chot and the rest of the team will come out and play real basketball against those teams...

Let's wait and see...

interxavierxxx
05-16-2007, 10:20 AM
I guess your right. We have never been beaten by our neighbors in Southeast Asia. I would love to see them to try to beat an all pro team:) They only faced amateurs ithink b4.

Correct me if I am wrong

bsgermany
05-16-2007, 10:31 AM
SEABA better be nothing to worry about, since all opponents there could hardly be considered basketball nations and would most likely all be ranked pretty much at the bottom of a world ranking.

interxavierxxx
05-16-2007, 11:35 AM
Do you think Qatar's style of play is good?

bsgermany
05-16-2007, 11:36 AM
Hi,

We're still fresh from that 2yr suspension, and if you're a smart ass, you wouldn't point your fingers to anyone, espcially to coach chot. I, myself is a basketball coach too, and its hard for me to be criticized by people who doesnt know anything about coaching.

Isn't your statement a little arrogant? Maybe you should also show a little more tolerance and accept, that there are people out there, that don't share your oppinion and views regarding the Philippine team.
You don't need to be a coach to be able to have your own oppinion upon the impressions you get from the team. Even someone who hasn't been coaching may know a lot about basketball right?
I have been playing for 20 years, currently coach a team in Germany and was fortunate enough to be able to watch live games in various different countries like Philippines, USA and Europe - so I do believe I have the right to make up my own mind, even if the result may not match yours or be too optimistic regarding the current situation of the Philippine team.

bsgermany
05-16-2007, 11:41 AM
I have seen them only a fiew times on tv and they certainly belong to the group of Asian countries, that have improved over the past years. Hard to say where they will finish at the Asian champs, but my feeling is that some other nations might finish ahead of them.

interxavierxxx
05-16-2007, 12:27 PM
What about South Korea? Is there a chance for our revenge against them?

Sakamoto
05-16-2007, 05:31 PM
The problem with the Philippine basketball aside from Politics in almost all sports is that we dont have a legitimate National Team. Since the inclusion of professional players, the team was formed months before the competition and even weeks just like in the preparation of the RPteam in the 1990 Asiad coach by jaworski. After the tournament, the team were disbanded and wait another 4 years to prepare for the next competition. In that case, the cohesiveness of the team was not developed not unlike china and korea, they were together for years. Thats the disadvantage of the Philippines. Talent? We have a lot of talent the problem is being together of the team for years and also familiarity with the FIBA rules. We dont have pool of players, they just select players. We were suspended by FIBA twice due to the bickerings of the basketball leaders. We were not able to send our best players in the FIBA qualifying tournaments because the Asian games is the only commitment of the PBA were our best players play. So this time the suspension was already lifted a few months back, hopefully the leadership of the SBP will bring back the lost glory in basketball. Let us support the RPteam win or lose. Sports is the only unifying factor for all of us.

anti_morales
05-16-2007, 06:03 PM
I love the way filipinos brag. Yabang natin tol! (we are braggards brother!)

Yup, I do think also that South East asia is the weakest region of the continent in basketball, AS A GROUP. But don't look now as the Philippines is back and Business. And we really mean BUSINESS.

Good luck to our NT and good luck to all. Let's all join to show Asian Basketball Power on 8/8/8.:cool: