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ival23
05-16-2007, 11:07 PM
No man i didnt misunderstood you. You cant base the performance of our RP team just because were losing in a clubs tournament. RP team has yet to use some of its dreaded trapping defense, as well as their 3 guard combo offense. Those things are yet to be use since Chot and RP team is using this as a kick-off tournament. May I ask you, what are your reason when you said RP team is not doing well? Is it because were'nt winning games in this tournament? Is loosing 3 straight games in fiba champions cup, still not a good sign that were not doing well? are you still in denial stage? loosing 34 points to syria doesnt bother you? is the competition in fiba champions cup stronger than the fiba asia? i know that im just new at this site and i been reading your comments in a lot of threads here. Your username suits you, cause i think your an evil person! your always bragging about you being a coach of basketball, is that gives you permission to think that your always right? respects other opinion because your opinion is as good as them! mayabang ka.

SkyWalker
05-17-2007, 05:20 AM
Is loosing 3 straight games in fiba champions cup, still not a good sign that were not doing well? are you still in denial stage? loosing 34 points to syria doesnt bother you? is the competition in fiba champions cup stronger than the fiba asia? i know that im just new at this site and i been reading your comments in a lot of threads here. Your username suits you, cause i think your an evil person! your always bragging about you being a coach of basketball, is that gives you permission to think that your always right? respects other opinion because your opinion is as good as them! mayabang ka.


you wouldnt want to know what team im helping. and thats the reason why, im (mayabang)so proud.

bsgermany
05-17-2007, 05:25 AM
you wouldnt want to know what team im helping. and thats the reason why, im (mayabang)so proud.

bla bla - either you tell people, or you should just keep it all to yourself. What's the point in playing this hide and seek here? Probably you're not even coaching as you said before. :confused:

mikepogi
05-17-2007, 05:41 PM
bla bla - either you tell people, or you should just keep it all to yourself. What's the point in playing this hide and seek here? Probably you're not even coaching as you said before. :confused:
bla bla bla to you back, you say you are a 6'9 guy who plays competitive ball, so why don't you mention your name and the club that you played on.

bsgermany
05-17-2007, 05:53 PM
I said I played - that is past tense, meaning it was in the past right?

ival23
05-17-2007, 09:38 PM
My top 4 teams will be 1, china 2, philippines 3, lebanon 4, south korea
Philippine national team have the best guards in asia in the likes of jay jay heltebrand and mark caguioa ( the fast and the furious tandem) both are extremely quick and athletic! they can breakdown defense by their 1 on 1 skills and quickness

WIZARD
05-17-2007, 10:08 PM
For the love of God stop saying your team is number 1 In asia..your team didnt accomplish any thing at least for the last 10 years u been ranked as
10th..i dont care if u sent ur A team or ur x team even playing the asian club at ur home 2005 with what so called a team u got 8th place..so just spare me
u still live in the past and u still think that even korea is still a powerhouse
korea has droped since 2005 and i dont see them making any thing even this year plus
u east asian guys still play the same old fashion BBall run 'n' gun which is dead for a long time i dont know any other teams still play this way other than Phoenix suns!!! now its the time for the west asian teams Qatar jordan lebanon Iran...other than china in east asia with all respect i dont see any other competition..this is the TRUE FACT and u have to live with it..
just let me tell u some thing Jordan NT played against the second seeded club in greece 1Division and lost by 12 pts ...not losing by 35 pts from a syrian and trying to make fun of us by making it a decoy done by ur coach ..jeeeeeeeez

karim
05-17-2007, 10:17 PM
thank u wizard.....they,ve been talking abt their friendly game win over lebanon everyday for the last 8 or 9 months now :)

WIZARD
05-17-2007, 10:35 PM
thank u wizard.....they,ve been talking abt their friendly game win over lebanon everyday for the last 8 or 9 months now :)

Man i know..big deal they won lebanon..damn it even senegal won lithuania
in a freindly game last summer!!! so what !!! doesnt make them better than lithuania no senegali dude in this forum pumped up and kept showing off cuz of that!!! next game senegal lost by 30 pts!!! go figure man

j_diddy
05-18-2007, 01:55 AM
pwned.

mikepogi
05-18-2007, 02:24 PM
For the love of God stop saying your team is number 1 In asia..your team didnt accomplish any thing at least for the last 10 years u been ranked as
10th..i dont care if u sent ur A team or ur x team even playing the asian club at ur home 2005 with what so called a team u got 8th place..so just spare me
u still live in the past and u still think that even korea is still a powerhouse
korea has droped since 2005 and i dont see them making any thing even this year plus
u east asian guys still play the same old fashion BBall run 'n' gun which is dead for a long time i dont know any other teams still play this way other than Phoenix suns!!! now its the time for the west asian teams Qatar jordan lebanon Iran...other than china in east asia with all respect i dont see any other competition..this is the TRUE FACT and u have to live with it..
just let me tell u some thing Jordan NT played against the second seeded club in greece 1Division and lost by 12 pts ...not losing by 35 pts from a syrian and trying to make fun of us by making it a decoy done by ur coach ..jeeeeeeeez
True.. Some Filipinos here are a bit dillusional if they think that the RP team is ranked number 1 in Asia. In fact I would even make a case that it doesnt belong to the top 5. But so is Lebanon, Iran and other west asian countries. The truth of the matter is, the only guaranteed spot in the rankings is China, of that being number 1. While the remaining slots are all up for grabs. Teams like Lebanon, Iran, Syria, Qatar, South Korea - none of us are sure which is a better team. You can even throw in countries like Taiwan, Japan, and yes, the Philippines in the mix. So dont be too overconfident and think that those West Asian countries will dominate basketball in Asia, because you are sorely mistaken to do so. And one more thing, you can make a case that West Asian countries like Lebanon, Iran, Syria haver performed really well in the past Asian games, but the fact is, which you cannot deny, is that those countries, except for Qatar, has never beaten the RP team A without any imports in their lineup.
jeeeez.. jeeeeez my as$..

WIZARD
05-18-2007, 02:59 PM
True.. Some Filipinos here are a bit dillusional if they think that the RP team is ranked number 1 in Asia. In fact I would even make a case that it doesnt belong to the top 5. But so is Lebanon, Iran and other west asian countries. The truth of the matter is, the only guaranteed spot in the rankings is China, of that being number 1. While the remaining slots are all up for grabs. Teams like Lebanon, Iran, Syria, Qatar, South Korea - none of us are sure which is a better team. You can even throw in countries like Taiwan, Japan, and yes, the Philippines in the mix. So dont be too overconfident and think that those West Asian countries will dominate basketball in Asia, because you are sorely mistaken to do so. And one more thing, you can make a case that West Asian countries like Lebanon, Iran, Syria haver performed really well in the past Asian games, but the fact is, which you cannot deny, is that those countries, except for Qatar, has never beaten the RP team A without any imports in their lineup.
jeeeez.. jeeeeez my as$..

well..Last game between jordan and PR was in Qatar 2004 and jordan won i guess 80-70

mikepogi
05-18-2007, 03:31 PM
well..Last game between jordan and PR was in Qatar 2004 and jordan won i guess 80-70
When was that, I dont remember the RP team playing in Qatar. It would be nice if you could provide a link. I am curious to find out the lineup of that RP team.

daniab
05-18-2007, 03:41 PM
well..Last game between jordan and PR was in Qatar 2004 and jordan won i guess 80-70
I think u mean Stankovic cup 2004 and it wasn't quatar,it was in Chinese Taipei I think !!

mikepogi
05-18-2007, 03:44 PM
I think u mean Stankovic cup 2004 and it wasn't quatar,it was in Chinese Taipei I think !!
I remember correctly it was in the Jones Cup that Qatar beat the RP National pool team by 10 pts. Thats the one I was referring in my earlier post... I gave that to Qatar, no excuses there... We also lost to Taiwan and an American minor league club.

anti_morales
05-18-2007, 03:45 PM
Mikepogi, when did qatar beat philippines? Yeah they beat philippines last year but that was a hastily assembled mix of amateur and not so good pro-players. The fact is Qatar never defeated a feal RP team in the history of the sport.

True.. Some Filipinos here are a bit dillusional if they think that the RP team is ranked number 1 in Asia. In fact I would even make a case that it doesnt belong to the top 5. But so is Lebanon, Iran and other west asian countries. The truth of the matter is, the only guaranteed spot in the rankings is China, of that being number 1. While the remaining slots are all up for grabs. Teams like Lebanon, Iran, Syria, Qatar, South Korea - none of us are sure which is a better team. You can even throw in countries like Taiwan, Japan, and yes, the Philippines in the mix. So dont be too overconfident and think that those West Asian countries will dominate basketball in Asia, because you are sorely mistaken to do so. And one more thing, you can make a case that West Asian countries like Lebanon, Iran, Syria haver performed really well in the past Asian games, but the fact is, which you cannot deny, is that those countries, except for Qatar, has never beaten the RP team A without any imports in their lineup.
jeeeez.. jeeeeez my as$..

anti_morales
05-18-2007, 03:48 PM
No MikepogiPhilippines beat Qatar by 11, I remember willie miller saying something like "mapoporma kasi at mukhang athletic kaya pinakitaan ko rin".
I remember correctly it was in the Jones Cup that Qatar beat the RP National pool team by 10 pts. Thats the one I was referring in my earlier post... I gave that to Qatar, no excuses there... We also lost to Taiwan and an American minor league club.

mikepogi
05-18-2007, 03:49 PM
I give that to them.. Irregardless whether we sent the National pool team, we could say Qatar an all-pro team. I could even give them the benefit of the doubt that Qatar didnt send their NT's final lineup in the Jones Cup. Fair is fair, they won and we should concede the lose.

anti_morales
05-18-2007, 03:52 PM
Yeah after all our national team showed what it is really made of, without tony dela cruz, w/o seigle, w/o James Yap, w/o kelly williams, w/o naturalized players and most especially w/o two 7'3 imports:D

I give that to them.. Irregardless whether we sent the National pool team, we could say Qatar an all-pro team. I could even give them the benefit of the doubt that Qatar didnt send their NT's final lineup in the Jones Cup. Fair is fair, they won and we should concede the lose.

mikepogi
05-18-2007, 03:53 PM
I gave that to them. Irregardless whether it was a National pool team, Qatar did beat an RP all-pro squad in the Jones cup. I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't send their final NT's lineup in the jones cup. Fair is fair, they beat us so we concede the lose.

WIZARD
05-18-2007, 05:23 PM
No it was in Qatar iam sure..it was Qatar tournemnt EGYPT,qatar,jordan,philippine....Jordan won philippine by 10 pts as i remember
then we beat qatar by 14 pts then we played the final game against egypt which is one of strongest arab countries in Bball also in africa they get the bronze medal every time in african cup..any way we beat them by 13 pts as i remember not sure thu..in 2005 they didn organize this tournemnt..in 2006 angola won it.

anti_morales
05-18-2007, 05:48 PM
Hey Wizard!Did you say we? So you are not Yugoslavian but from Qatar. I remember that. RP was beaten, but sorry to disappoint you, the core of that team was selected from league called UAAP which is Division 3 here in the Philippines and only reinforced by 5 not so very good players from the PBA. Qatar will never defeat a real NT of Philippines.

In the past 5 years in 3 games Qatar NT has played against Philippine Division 1 clubs, RP won 3 times. Once by Selecta (2002), Once by Happe (2002), One by the NT (2005).

There's nothing to be proud of in defeating a team made up of amateur college players.

No it was in Qatar iam sure..it was Qatar tournemnt EGYPT,qatar,jordan,philippine....Jordan won philippine by 10 pts as i remember
then we beat qatar by 14 pts then we played the final game against egypt which is one of strongest arab countries in Bball also in africa they get the bronze medal every time in african cup..any way we beat them by 13 pts as i remember not sure thu..in 2005 they didn organize this tournemnt..in 2006 angola won it.

mikepogi
05-18-2007, 05:52 PM
No it was in Qatar iam sure..it was Qatar tournemnt EGYPT,qatar,jordan,philippine....Jordan won philippine by 10 pts as i remember
then we beat qatar by 14 pts then we played the final game against egypt which is one of strongest arab countries in Bball also in africa they get the bronze medal every time in african cup..any way we beat them by 13 pts as i remember not sure thu..in 2005 they didn organize this tournemnt..in 2006 angola won it.

Its really easy to keep track of the tournaments that the RP Team A or RP Team national pool from the PBA (our country's professional league) joined since 2002. Theres only a handful of them since we were suspended for two years. And I don't recall any team that was sent to Qatar. Maybe its a second-tier team made up of amateurs. And besides if it was really was our A-team then it this would have been thoroughly discussed in this forum since posters here are predominantly Filipinos.

WIZARD
05-18-2007, 06:54 PM
Hey Wizard!Did you say we? So you are not Yugoslavian but from Qatar. I remember that. RP was beaten, but sorry to disappoint you, the core of that team was selected from league called UAAP which is Division 3 here in the Philippines and only reinforced by 5 not so very good players from the PBA. Qatar will never defeat a real NT of Philippines.

In the past 5 years in 3 games Qatar NT has played against Philippine Division 1 clubs, RP won 3 times. Once by Selecta (2002), Once by Happe (2002), One by the NT (2005).

There's nothing to be proud of in defeating a team made up of amateur college players.

Doest it make any difference if i was A Serb or not???any way iam a half serb from my mothers side and i live here in Serbia.

now about ur NT team..it was made up by 3rd divisio league and few other players from the top league..well even if it was ur A team nothing will change
jordan NT can still beat u...u make it sound as if u played with ur a league players might win World cup!! Man frankly i dont see your Team as a scary 1...as i said before other than China ..there is no competition..not Korea not taiwan ..maybe Japan since they play home..but still as i said east asian teams still play the old fashion way Run and gun..with good diffence u cant do thing

flipball
05-18-2007, 08:11 PM
Doest it make any difference if i was A Serb or not???any way iam a half serb from my mothers side and i live here in Serbia.

now about ur NT team..it was made up by 3rd divisio league and few other players from the top league..well even if it was ur A team nothing will change
jordan NT can still beat u...u make it sound as if u played with ur a league players might win World cup!! Man frankly i dont see your Team as a scary 1...as i said before other than China ..there is no competition..not Korea not taiwan ..maybe Japan since they play home..but still as i said east asian teams still play the old fashion way Run and gun..with good diffence u cant do thing

Wizard, i hope you give justice to your name :( i'm sure our NT team(Div 1) still needs to make some adjustments to match other world class teams. but, surely, the NT team of Jordan will have a fat chance of beating us on any given day. unless, of course, they field in two or four imports.

but i must say i agree in what you said that defense will still be the most potent arsenal any ball club should have. and i truly hope our NT is striving to gain perfection of the said art. :)

lrangels
05-18-2007, 08:39 PM
Wizard, i hope you give justice to your name :( i'm sure our NT team(Div 1) still needs to make some adjustments to match other world class teams. but, surely, the NT team of Jordan will have a fat chance of beating us on any given day. unless, of course, they field in two or four imports.

but i must say i agree in what you said that defense will still be the most potent arsenal any ball club should have. and i truly hope our NT is striving to gain perfection of the said art. :)

Absolutely any team would like to have a very good defense. This is because having it's easier to be consistent with your defense than with your offense.

;)

bsgermany
05-18-2007, 08:51 PM
i'm sure our NT team(Div 1) still needs to make some adjustments to match other world class teams

It will not only take adjustments, it will take miracles to successfully match worldclassteams. There is a long long way from the top of Asia to the top of the world like Argentina, USA, Spain, Italy, Greece, Serbia, Germany etc. etc.

pachador
05-18-2007, 09:00 PM
results of 2005 Asia-Club championships at Araneta coliseum:

http://www.asia-basket.com/events/aclubc/aclubc05.asp

pachador
05-18-2007, 09:22 PM
This was the last time the Philippines played against a European team I think. How is Latvia as a basketball country??

NATIONALS PUSH LATVIA TO THE HILT

Friday, 04 August 2006

DOHA, Qatar – The board had the team at the shorter end of the scores. Still, all players and coaches moved out of the Al-Gharafa Sports Club Hall with heads up high and smiling from ear to ear.

Latvia fashioned out a 73-65 victory over SMC-Pilipinas, but only after being pushed to the hilt by the smaller Filipinos in the Al-Emadi International Basketball Championship here Thursday.

The win gave Latvia an unblemished 3-0 card and top seeding in the semifinals of this four-nation tourney. SMC-Pilipinas, for its part, absorbed its second setback in as many assignments.

National coach Chot Reyes, however, couldn’t be happier with the way his wards battled the taller and heftier Latvians on both ends of the floor.

“I’m very, very happy and very proud of the guys. They did a great, great job out there,” Reyes said after the game. “We were getting our shots and not turning the ball over and that’s what we wanted.”

Like in their opening game against Qatar, the Filipinos, also backed by Accel, got off to a good start. Arwind Santos and Kerby Raymundo hit their stride early and SMC-Pilipinas took the first quarter, 18-14.

Latvia got its rhythm late in the second quarter, unloading an 8-0 bomb in the last minute that gave the league leaders a 42-33 lead at the half.

Kristaps Valters presided over another big tear in the third to make it 54-37. But just as Latvia appeared headed for a blowout, SMC-Pilipinas stepped on the gas. Larry Fonacier, Willie Miller and Joseph Yeo teamed up in a searing rally that had the Nationals breathing down the Latvians’ necks, 56-60, early in the final period.

SMC-Pilipinas engaged Latvia toe-to-toe but clutch baskets by big man Uvis Helmanis kept the Filipinos at bay in the closing minutes.

“We’re definitely achieving our goals,” Reyes said. “For both the players and coaches, this is the kind of teams we really want to play. And for the players, they can only get better playing teams like Latvia.

“Also, we’re actually using this tournament as some sort of a tryout to see kung sino talaga ang puwede just in case the FIBA suspension is lifted. All of the people we’ve talked to here are saying it’s already lifted, so we might as well be ready for that eventuality.”

After the disappointing loss to Qatar, the gallant stand of the Filipinos against Latvia was certainly a boost.

“We were a lot better today than we were last night against Qatar. The challenge is how we can still be better in our next game,” said Reyes.

SMC-Pilipinas takes on African champion Angola Friday to close its elimination round schedule.

The scores:

Latvia 73 – S. Valters, 15, Helmanis 12, Janicenoks 11, K. Valters 9, Ciprus 7, Jahovics 5, Vecelous 4, Timermanis 4, Buskevics 3, Blums 3.

SMC-Pil 65 – Raymundo 12, Miller 11, Fonacier 8, Santos 7, Yeo 7, Pennisi 7, Reavis 5, Tenorio 3, Canaleta 3, Pena 2, Mamaril 0, Miranda 0.

Quarters: 14-18, 42-33, 59-54, 73-65.



It will not only take adjustments, it will take miracles to successfully match worldclassteams. There is a long long way from the top of Asia to the top of the world like Argentina, USA, Spain, Italy, Greece, Serbia, Germany etc. etc.

bsgermany
05-18-2007, 09:56 PM
The result looks pretty good for the Philippines, but first of all, Latvia is not the top of Europe, and certainly far from the above mentioned worldclass - and there were a fiew guys missing on team Latvia, that would surely have made a difference like Biedrins, Kambala, Stelmahers and possibly Ostler.

Nevertheless it must have been a pretty good game by team Philiipines (or a lousy one from Latvia :D ).

pachador
05-18-2007, 10:04 PM
and only 2 members on the RP team last year are in this year's team. The team last year was not the best team thats for sure. For example, taulava, Seigle and Caguioa were not on that team :)


The result looks pretty good for the Philippines, but first of all, Latvia is not the top of Europe, and certainly far from the above mentioned worldclass - and there were a fiew guys missing on team Latvia, that would surely have made a difference like Biedrins, Kambala, Stelmahers and possibly Ostler.

Nevertheless it must have been a pretty good game by team Philiipines (or a lousy one from Latvia :D ).

kei_choi
05-18-2007, 11:50 PM
Drawing selection meeting of the Asian championship is scheduled June 6th at THE GRANDPALACE Tokushima.
16 countries are going to divide into 4 each groups of 4 teams.

sorry, my English is bad:)

TechSupport
05-19-2007, 01:12 AM
The result looks pretty good for the Philippines, but first of all, Latvia is not the top of Europe, and certainly far from the above mentioned worldclass - and there were a fiew guys missing on team Latvia, that would surely have made a difference like Biedrins, Kambala, Stelmahers and possibly Ostler.

Nevertheless it must have been a pretty good game by team Philiipines (or a lousy one from Latvia :D ).

4 guys not in the latvia lineup? philippines sent their Team B/C with 10 guys from the current team not in the lineup and all that during a tryout and the result 73-65.

funny stuffs. it boils down to loving your own. ciao!

rocks_24
05-19-2007, 02:27 AM
fiba asia champions cup

Rp Won!!!(again)

Rp team -95 fyi: played without an import (minus 1 player due to injuy)
Lebanon-81 fyi: played with 2 import

Final Score

bsgermany
05-19-2007, 03:39 AM
4 guys not in the latvia lineup? philippines sent their Team B/C with 10 guys from the current team not in the lineup and all that during a tryout and the result 73-65.

funny stuffs. it boils down to loving your own. ciao!

First of all never overestimate a friendly match, since things there are completely different than facing Latvia in an important tournament, where you don't test things and possibly play with more intensity - and thee who watched the Golden State Warriors in the NBA playoffs may know what kind of a difference only 6'11 Biedrins would have made. ;)

real75
05-19-2007, 05:31 AM
Top 4 in asia...

1. China
2. Lebanon
3. S. Korea
4. Japan

Darkhorse: RP Team, Jordan, Qatar?

With the experience of Lebanon, S Korea and Japan being the host.. They are favored to win the asian championship...

Of course we should not forget resurging RP, and facelifting Jordan and Qatar...

With RP team sending the all PBA team, Jordan - naturalized recruits and Qatar they could surprise the asia.

pachador
05-19-2007, 06:42 AM
guys,

do not assume china will really send their team B to the FIBA-Asia. As far as I know This belief is based on a news report sent by # 1 china fan reporter ,Arthur Volbert to asia-basket.

What if this news is just to mislead?

I suggest we assume the worst ,and that china will send team A . its better to be safe than be caught by surprise so we can devise offense/defense on assumption that china team A will go.

pachador
05-19-2007, 07:07 AM
:in fact, i noticed lately that all our rival asian teams have been giving news that they are 'weak' or not too good this year while we are the only one displaying to everyone who cares to listen the skills, strengths and power of our players.
for example:
oh, china will send team b only
oh korea is not good this year because some good pro players cannot play
lebanon - some of our players not playing we are not so good this year
philippines- :D

while the news we hear about opposing countries may be true in the end, its better to assume the worst and expect an ambush so we are better prepared.

TechSupport
05-19-2007, 07:27 AM
First of all never overestimate a friendly match, since things there are completely different than facing Latvia in an important tournament, where you don't test things and possibly play with more intensity - and thee who watched the Golden State Warriors in the NBA playoffs may know what kind of a difference only 6'11 Biedrins would have made. ;)

same thing here. you dont know what kind of difference those 10 players would have made.

no one ever gave the philippines a chance even before. history said with an average height of less than six feet that we have beaten a lot of european teams. those europeans improved and we didnt? come on! the only time that other countries enjoyed the rankings or the placings that the philippines had was the time the PBA was founded - no more zone defense for us and less international tournaments. imagine us now getting used to zone defense again and being more athletic and slightly taller than our grandfathers who beat those tall europeans. you will see a lot of "its gotta hurt!" comments in the future. philippines never and cant send a tall team and you already know what happens each and evrytime the philippines sent their best team. use wikipedia. if you really know a lot about philippine basketball, you will know our caliber when we compete in a real tournament with a real team - we're getting our medals. proven.

you see all the angles except the philippine side. think more. i have more.

ros
05-19-2007, 07:35 AM
Philippines chances in getting the last slot for the olympics is 50/50 for me. All the strong Asian teams have a chance of beating us. Not unless we peaked this coming FIBA-Asia our chances of beating them would increase. But I BELIEVE!!!

Go RP team

This idea came out in philboxing.com

"The Cinderella basketball team" from the movie Cinderella Man...

Sakamoto
05-19-2007, 11:55 AM
Drawing selection meeting of the Asian championship is scheduled June 6th at THE GRANDPALACE Tokushima.
16 countries are going to divide into 4 each groups of 4 teams.

sorry, my English is bad:)
Its ok!by the way how is Orimo and Michael Dorsey?Will they play in the Asian Championships?

rocks_24
05-19-2007, 01:32 PM
RP team beats Lebanon, enters semis
05/19/2007 | 04:49 PM

Games Saturday
(All times local - Tehran)
4:15 p.m. - Qatar vs Iran (Semifinals)
6:30 p.m. - Blue Stars vs India
8:45 p.m. - San Miguel-RP vs Syria (Semifinals)

San Miguel-RP Team posted a long-shot 94-83 victory over highly-favored Blue Star of Lebanon on Friday to enter the 18th FIBA Asia Champions Cup semifinals that is being held at the Azadi Stadium in Tehran, Iran.

According to a statement Saturday, the Nationals dominated both ends of the court to post the surprise victory that kept the RP squad in contention for the title.

Working for the Filipinos were their quickness to adjust to international kind of basketball.

"We were playing our fifth game in five days and lacking one player (injured Tony de la Cruz), yet we found a way to win. All of these are the result of our fighting heart," said RP coach Chot Reyes.

Mark Caguioa's 25 points led four other Nationals in double figures but the fiery offensive touch was not the only factor that played a big role in the win.

Dondon Hontiveros, Caguioa and Danny Seigle anchored the defense on Blue Star's explosive import William Pippen while Kerby Raymundo, Rico Villanueva and Ranidel de Ocampo alternated on stifling the Lebanese's most feared player, Fadi El Khatib.

Khatib still wound up with game-highs of 28 points and 10 rebounds but his impact was only felt during the third quarter and considered inconsequential in the last. Pippen, meanwhile, was held to just eight points, 17 less than his tournament average.

As a direct result, the Nationals led by as many as 18 points before repeatedly quashing the Lebanese uprisings in the second half.


The Nationals and Syria's Al Jalaa, a 102-79 winner over lowly Young Cagers of India also Friday, collide in a semis game set at 8:45 p.m. Saturday (1:15 a.m., Manila time).

The other semis pairing pits early qualifier Saba Battery of Iran and Qatar's Al Rayyan.


The scores:

San Miguel-RP (94) Caguioa 25, De Ocampo 12, Alapag
11, Seigle 10, Hontiveros 10, Taulava 7, Helterbrand
7, Villanueva 6, Pennisi 6, Raymundo 0, Ritualo 0.

Lebanon (83) Khatib 28, Fahed 22, Carter 17, Pippen 8,
Nour 5, Balaa 2, Samaha 0, Akl 0.

Quarterscores: 27-26; 57-39; 70-63; 94-83.

rocks_24
05-19-2007, 01:45 PM
philipinos are philosophizers thats y they say korea is better than leb...just cuz philipines won leb in a friendly game on their own court it doesnt matter now that leb has beaten korea 2 out of 3 times , even in our 2nd team we lost by only 2pts......anyway daniab are the games of riyadi and blue stars in arab and asian championship for clubs broadcasted on TV , if yeah on which channels and what time ?
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RP team beats Lebanon, enters semis
05/19/2007 | 04:49 PM

Games Saturday
(All times local - Tehran)
4:15 p.m. - Qatar vs Iran (Semifinals)
6:30 p.m. - Blue Stars vs India
8:45 p.m. - San Miguel-RP vs Syria (Semifinals)

San Miguel-RP Team posted a long-shot 94-83 victory over highly-favored Blue Star of Lebanon on Friday to enter the 18th FIBA Asia Champions Cup semifinals that is being held at the Azadi Stadium in Tehran, Iran.

According to a statement Saturday, the Nationals dominated both ends of the court to post the surprise victory that kept the RP squad in contention for the title.

Working for the Filipinos were their quickness to adjust to international kind of basketball.

"We were playing our fifth game in five days and lacking one player (injured Tony de la Cruz), yet we found a way to win. All of these are the result of our fighting heart," said RP coach Chot Reyes.

Mark Caguioa's 25 points led four other Nationals in double figures but the fiery offensive touch was not the only factor that played a big role in the win.

Dondon Hontiveros, Caguioa and Danny Seigle anchored the defense on Blue Star's explosive import William Pippen while Kerby Raymundo, Rico Villanueva and Ranidel de Ocampo alternated on stifling the Lebanese's most feared player, Fadi El Khatib.

Khatib still wound up with game-highs of 28 points and 10 rebounds but his impact was only felt during the third quarter and considered inconsequential in the last. Pippen, meanwhile, was held to just eight points, 17 less than his tournament average.

As a direct result, the Nationals led by as many as 18 points before repeatedly quashing the Lebanese uprisings in the second half.


The Nationals and Syria's Al Jalaa, a 102-79 winner over lowly Young Cagers of India also Friday, collide in a semis game set at 8:45 p.m. Saturday (1:15 a.m., Manila time).

The other semis pairing pits early qualifier Saba Battery of Iran and Qatar's Al Rayyan.


The scores:

San Miguel-RP (94) Caguioa 25, De Ocampo 12, Alapag
11, Seigle 10, Hontiveros 10, Taulava 7, Helterbrand
7, Villanueva 6, Pennisi 6, Raymundo 0, Ritualo 0.

Lebanon (83) Khatib 28, Fahed 22, Carter 17, Pippen 8,
Nour 5, Balaa 2, Samaha 0, Akl 0.

Quarterscores: 27-26; 57-39; 70-63; 94-83.

real75
05-19-2007, 02:08 PM
RP team beats Lebanon, enters semis
05/19/2007 | 04:49 PM

Games Saturday
(All times local - Tehran)
4:15 p.m. - Qatar vs Iran (Semifinals)
6:30 p.m. - Blue Stars vs India
8:45 p.m. - San Miguel-RP vs Syria (Semifinals)

San Miguel-RP Team posted a long-shot 94-83 victory over highly-favored Blue Star of Lebanon on Friday to enter the 18th FIBA Asia Champions Cup semifinals that is being held at the Azadi Stadium in Tehran, Iran.

According to a statement Saturday, the Nationals dominated both ends of the court to post the surprise victory that kept the RP squad in contention for the title.

Working for the Filipinos were their quickness to adjust to international kind of basketball.

"We were playing our fifth game in five days and lacking one player (injured Tony de la Cruz), yet we found a way to win. All of these are the result of our fighting heart," said RP coach Chot Reyes.

Mark Caguioa's 25 points led four other Nationals in double figures but the fiery offensive touch was not the only factor that played a big role in the win.

Dondon Hontiveros, Caguioa and Danny Seigle anchored the defense on Blue Star's explosive import William Pippen while Kerby Raymundo, Rico Villanueva and Ranidel de Ocampo alternated on stifling the Lebanese's most feared player, Fadi El Khatib.

Khatib still wound up with game-highs of 28 points and 10 rebounds but his impact was only felt during the third quarter and considered inconsequential in the last. Pippen, meanwhile, was held to just eight points, 17 less than his tournament average.

As a direct result, the Nationals led by as many as 18 points before repeatedly quashing the Lebanese uprisings in the second half.


The Nationals and Syria's Al Jalaa, a 102-79 winner over lowly Young Cagers of India also Friday, collide in a semis game set at 8:45 p.m. Saturday (1:15 a.m., Manila time).

The other semis pairing pits early qualifier Saba Battery of Iran and Qatar's Al Rayyan.


The scores:

San Miguel-RP (94) Caguioa 25, De Ocampo 12, Alapag
11, Seigle 10, Hontiveros 10, Taulava 7, Helterbrand
7, Villanueva 6, Pennisi 6, Raymundo 0, Ritualo 0.

Lebanon (83) Khatib 28, Fahed 22, Carter 17, Pippen 8,
Nour 5, Balaa 2, Samaha 0, Akl 0.

Quarterscores: 27-26; 57-39; 70-63; 94-83.

May I know where did you get this report

daniab
05-19-2007, 02:14 PM
fiba asia champions cup

Rp Won!!!(again)

Rp team -95 fyi: played without an import (minus 1 player due to injuy)
Lebanon-81 fyi: played with 2 import

Final Score

Dear rocks_24,RP won Against Blue Stars a lebanese team not on Lebanese NT.

anti_morales
05-19-2007, 02:51 PM
Dear daniab You are right. That makes its:

1. Ragtag hastily assembled for 2 days PBA selection defeated Lebanese team w/ naturalized Vogel twice.
2. Philippines defeated Lebanese ballclub w/ 2 imports once.

Dear rocks_24,RP won Against Blue Stars a lebanese team not on Lebanese NT.

d'dreamer
05-19-2007, 03:26 PM
top four in asia
number 1: china
number 2: philippines
number 3: south korea
number 4: japan/chinese taipeh/lebanon

no other west asia country other than lebanon could be at top 4 in asia. nothing can prove that they can be leveled like the NT's i mentioned above. my top three teams can pull the crown at tokoshima. i mean they can beat each other in any tournament. no one is a sure winner. those at number 4 wont have a chance to be at top place in japan this july that's for sure.

bsgermany
05-19-2007, 03:57 PM
I don't know where you get all this wisdom from? So far, refering to the Asian Club championship, no team except the Philippines could have possibly shown the real stuff, because only the Philippines are using their NT there.
Of course there could be an endless discussion now about who is stronger - a clubteam with two imports or a true national team with a certain number of players still to be added from other clubs. As for Kazakhstan, a NT with the best locals would certainly be stronger than the clubteam playing in Iran - for the teams from the Middle East I couldn't really say, and probably no other Filippino fan here either. Our friends from Lebanon could possibly come up with some info here.
Until the Asian Champs begin, and every team has to show its real face, everything is nothing but pure speculation.
Yet the Philippine team hasn't accomplished anything, that could possibly make anyone believe, that they are already a top team and a safe bet for the Olympics. Too many other teams also have a solid chance in my eyes (of course the Philippines being one of them!).

So far, losses against the iranian clubteam and the NT in a friendly match, a loss against the clubteam from Kazakhstan and a big loss against the clubteam from Syria - ont he other hand a win over a clubteam from Bahrain, that has lost big time to everyone else too and a nice win over the Bluestars.
I don't think this is yet any kind of indication for being the number one contender for the olympic ticket.

rocks_24
05-19-2007, 08:34 PM
Dear rocks_24,RP won Against Blue Stars a lebanese team not on Lebanese NT.

i know...i cant recall saying or typing lebanese national team....hmmmm....better clean your glasses man...


and also correct me if im wrong isnt it, 4 or 5 players from blue stars plays for your national team...

daniab
05-19-2007, 09:04 PM
i know...i cant recall saying or typing lebanese national team....hmmmm....better clean your glasses man...


and also correct me if im wrong isnt it, 4 or 5 players from blue stars plays for your national team...

Yes,so what ??

Seems u are new in our forum,Is better if u don't wrote anything haven't any relation with basketball man !!

igorotski
05-20-2007, 05:28 AM
my guess on what ranking may happen in ABC

1. Lebanon- they've been to WBC and sure has a lot of experience. with china using team b, makes them vulberable hence,asia's #1 contender becomes the #1. if they got through european 3rd placer France why cant it beat other asian teams?they must avoid overconfidence and fight hard as if they were the underdog always.

2.Iran-the team has improved a lot and had surprised japan and korea last asian games.they must have gained confidence from that but still less compared to lebanon. also their asset is height.

3-4. japan/philippines/korea-
japan's homecourt advntage can boost them but still not enough for them to win the gold.they're still stagnant and no improvement has been seen .

Philippines, has improved a lot too. it's starting to play the international kind of game and relies on quickness&outside shooting. but absence for 5yrs had given chance teams like lebanon and iran to learn more and surpass us. we're having problems also in height.

as for korea, their team is mysterious and may shock other teams so they shud not be taken for granted. their performance in asian games was kinda dissapointing tho.

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Now,China for me has no place given that theyll use team B.if im not mistaken, most of its players must still be kinda immature of international games and have little confidence. expose their team B more in intl' games, they can get a place in the next ABC.

mikepogi
05-20-2007, 05:26 PM
I don't know where you get all this wisdom from? So far, refering to the Asian Club championship, no team except the Philippines could have possibly shown the real stuff, because only the Philippines are using their NT there.
Of course there could be an endless discussion now about who is stronger - a clubteam with two imports or a true national team with a certain number of players still to be added from other clubs. As for Kazakhstan, a NT with the best locals would certainly be stronger than the clubteam playing in Iran - for the teams from the Middle East I couldn't really say, and probably no other Filippino fan here either. Our friends from Lebanon could possibly come up with some info here.
Until the Asian Champs begin, and every team has to show its real face, everything is nothing but pure speculation.
Yet the Philippine team hasn't accomplished anything, that could possibly make anyone believe, that they are already a top team and a safe bet for the Olympics. Too many other teams also have a solid chance in my eyes (of course the Philippines being one of them!).

So far, losses against the iranian clubteam and the NT in a friendly match, a loss against the clubteam from Kazakhstan and a big loss against the clubteam from Syria - ont he other hand a win over a clubteam from Bahrain, that has lost big time to everyone else too and a nice win over the Bluestars.
I don't think this is yet any kind of indication for being the number one contender for the olympic ticket.

Nor is any indication that the RP squad wouldn't come out on top.. You said it yourself there is no way for us to find out since RP are the only ones that fielded a national squad.

daniab
05-20-2007, 05:58 PM
Like i said in many posts in this thread that we can't give the top 4 teams in Asia bcz many things :
1-All asia teams changed his players like jordan,syria,....
2-A new NT will participate in asia champ(Philippine) and this last is a good team.
3-Chine will send his B team .
4-The competition is very difficult,all the teams try to get the first position to qualified to olympics games next year !!

kukoc7
05-20-2007, 06:37 PM
True. So many things have changed. This thread should be updated only after the Asian Championships. :D

bobo81
05-20-2007, 07:39 PM
Daniab is correct, we can't establish the top 4 teams yet. We have not seen this RP battle it out yet with these asian teams so everyone stop rating them. :D

CHINA TEAM
05-21-2007, 12:45 AM
my guess on what ranking may happen in ABC


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Now,China for me has no place given that theyll use team B.if im not mistaken, most of its players must still be kinda immature of international games and have little confidence. expose their team B more in intl' games, they can get a place in the next ABC.

Hehe,dude,china B team just beat china a team!~oh my gud!~
http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/p/2007-05-20/U397P6T12D2932735F44DT20070520231934.jpg

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/p/2007-05-20/U1918P6T12D2932644F44DT20070520214502.jpg

jiefangjun
05-21-2007, 12:49 AM
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Now,China for me has no place given that theyll use team B.if im not mistaken, most of its players must still be kinda immature of international games and have little confidence. expose their team B more in intl' games, they can get a place in the next ABC.

just a side notes, china B team won a tune-up game against A team last night. Now they split the record of 1-1. A team played without their top 7 key members though.

B team will play 2 games against Melbone Tigers this week.

CHINA TEAM
05-21-2007, 01:08 AM
just a side notes, china B team won a tune-up game against A team last night. Now they split the record of 1-1. A team played without their top 7 key members though.

B team will play 2 games against Melbone Tigers this week.
So, no matter is China A team or China B team, the strength very is all formidable in Asia, as for very many friends thought " B team was inferior A TEAM " the view is very one-sided. Therefore, PR;Lebanon;S.korea and so on...do not have to think we dispatch B team to think this year the competition can very with ease defeat us, we cannot let you be very relaxed in Japan

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/p/2007-05-18/U1918P6T12D2929518F44DT20070518222405.jpg

mowjow
05-21-2007, 02:51 AM
China is the team to beat in asian region... They got a height and power...
no question about that.. But some asian team are improving... like lebanon who beat france ( because no tony parker ) at that time. Iran who beat sokor.. Philippines who beat lebanon not once not twice but 3 times.... SOKOR.. quite still dangerous...

Talking about china's arrogant.. they send a so called B team.. i guess anyone will agree on me that doesnt matter what type of class do you have... Nevermind if you send yao ming or bruce lee the bottom line every asian team except china... want a competition among asian countries... So beware chinese team... dont say ending words yet.. maybe one day any asian team will shocked your basketball team, just like SOKOR screwed you on ASIAN GAMES...

mowjow
05-21-2007, 03:03 AM
If you talking about history..

RP team won bronse medal in OLYMPICS since 1956... long time ago....
too long but we made a history...

No one asian team yet overcome or level that achievement when it comes on basketball competition...

PRSURF
05-21-2007, 05:06 AM
If you talking about history..

RP team won bronse medal in OLYMPICS since 1956... long time ago....
too long but we made a history...

No one asian team yet overcome or level that achievement when it comes on basketball competition...
Bahh thats old

igorotski
05-21-2007, 06:55 AM
If you talking about history..

RP team won bronse medal in OLYMPICS since 1956... long time ago....
too long but we made a history...

No one asian team yet overcome or level that achievement when it comes on basketball competition...

dude we know that we got it and we've been teling it to others for several times.no people here on asian bball forums dont know it. let's stop bringing out past stuffs and focus on the present, our RP 5, cus it's useless. they jus tend to say "the only thing u can do is brag about something happened long time ago."

peace:D

d'dreamer
05-21-2007, 08:10 AM
I don't know where you get all this wisdom from? So far, refering to the Asian Club championship, no team except the Philippines could have possibly shown the real stuff, because only the Philippines are using their NT there.
Of course there could be an endless discussion now about who is stronger - a clubteam with two imports or a true national team with a certain number of players still to be added from other clubs. As for Kazakhstan, a NT with the best locals would certainly be stronger than the clubteam playing in Iran - for the teams from the Middle East I couldn't really say, and probably no other Filippino fan here either. Our friends from Lebanon could possibly come up with some info here.
Until the Asian Champs begin, and every team has to show its real face, everything is nothing but pure speculation.
Yet the Philippine team hasn't accomplished anything, that could possibly make anyone believe, that they are already a top team and a safe bet for the Olympics. Too many other teams also have a solid chance in my eyes (of course the Philippines being one of them!).

So far, losses against the iranian clubteam and the NT in a friendly match, a loss against the clubteam from Kazakhstan and a big loss against the clubteam from Syria - ont he other hand a win over a clubteam from Bahrain, that has lost big time to everyone else too and a nice win over the Bluestars.
I don't think this is yet any kind of indication for being the number one contender for the olympic ticket.

hey, can u name an asian country aside from china who can beat a team with 7'3" monster import? and bottomline is, our NT team went there not to aspire for the championship but just to learn or at least see how other countries have developed. i mean their NT players who are playing there.
and one thing more, if we bring the worst team in our div1 and put a 7'3" monster import and another who has a very good touch in shooting. i think they can beat the saba battery of iran convincingly.

d'dreamer
05-21-2007, 08:32 AM
daniab/karim, do you know the complete line up of lebanon who will be at the tokushima games? do they naturalized some players too just for the july games? i believe series of exhibition games between lebanon NT and philippine NT will be played here in the philippines just before the olympic qualifier in japan.

jiefangjun
05-21-2007, 08:39 AM
China is the team to beat in asian region... They got a height and power...
no question about that.. But some asian team are improving... like lebanon who beat france ( because no tony parker ) at that time. Iran who beat sokor.. Philippines who beat lebanon not once not twice but 3 times.... SOKOR.. quite still dangerous...


don't forget that china is improving too.
Your lebanon and Iran cases are supportive to your point. but couple wins in some friendship games mean nothing for philippines. IMHO, philippines basketball is still as same as his before if not worse, but other asian countries are playing much better basketball now.

TechSupport
05-21-2007, 08:51 AM
hey, can u name an asian country aside from china who can beat a team with 7'3" monster import? and bottomline is, our NT team went there not to aspire for the championship but just to learn or at least see how other countries have developed. i mean their NT players who are playing there.
and one thing more, if we bring the worst team in our div1 and put a 7'3" monster import and another who has a very good touch in shooting. i think they can beat the saba battery of iran convincingly.

he already figured out how the philippines will fare against the other asian teams when the philippines lost to iran with a 7'3" dominating import and another import good enough to be payed thousand of dollars. he is saying the rp team that lost to latvia by 8 points which of course composed of players trying out for a slot in the rp team would have lost by a bigger margin if 4 of its other nt players played inculding golden states' biendrins. he forgot that that rp team didnt have the 10 players(im going to repeat - not 4 but 10) from the current team. and to think that it is not really a team and lost by 8 points against a real team with 8 of its players are from the nt. he only sees his side. no other else. now, may i ask the same question? where did he get all this wisdom from? watch out! he'll dunk on you. :o

bsgermany
05-21-2007, 09:12 AM
Why don't we just wait for the Asian Champs and see how dominating (or not) the Philippines really going to be?

I wrote, refering to the results of the Club Champs and the loss to Iran in the friendly:" I don't think this is yet any kind of indication for being the number one contender for the olympic ticket." I still don't know what's wrong with that statement, or did the Philippines really come up with convincing results?

As for the game against Latvia - you don't really believe the Philippines could keep up with the best in Europe do you?

daniab
05-21-2007, 09:23 AM
daniab/karim, do you know the complete line up of lebanon who will be at the tokushima games? do they naturalized some players too just for the july games? i believe series of exhibition games between lebanon NT and philippine NT will be played here in the philippines just before the olympic qualifier in japan.

At the moment,Lebanese NT didn't have a coach :( ,in few days will come a new coach(Dragan ratza or Elias zoros) one of them will make a contract with lebanese federation.I will tell u the lebanese NT news when they get ready !!

TechSupport
05-21-2007, 09:24 AM
the loss to iran in the friendly game is similar to what happened to lebanon when they lost twice against a ragtag philippine team. trying to figure out what they dont know with our brand basketball. im the only one here that is saying the win over lebanon last year is nothing. yeah we have something to read in the newspapers after those wins but lebanon got the better of it by learning more how to play good one on one players. it "might" have something to do with their wins in WC. take note of the word "might" to avoid violent reactions.

TechSupport
05-21-2007, 09:27 AM
regarding the philippines matching up against the best of europe? hold your horses! we're talking about latvia and now you're talking about europe. lets focus with latvia and we'll do europe later. me doing a *wink* *wink*.

vladski
05-21-2007, 09:36 AM
he already figured out how the philippines will fare against the other asian teams when the philippines lost to iran with a 7'3" dominating import and another import good enough to be payed thousand of dollars. he is saying the rp team that lost to latvia by 8 points which of course composed of players trying out for a slot in the rp team would have lost by a bigger margin if 4 of its other nt players played inculding golden states' biendrins. he forgot that that rp team didnt have the 10 players(im going to repeat - not 4 but 10) from the current team. and to think that it is not really a team and lost by 8 points against a real team with 8 of its players are from the nt. he only sees his side. no other else. now, may i ask the same question? where did he get all this wisdom from? watch out! he'll dunk on you. :o

Hmmmm... i heard that "dunk" thing again...:D

vladski
05-21-2007, 09:38 AM
regarding the philippines matching up against the best of europe? hold your horses! we're talking about latvia and now you're talking about europe. lets focus with latvia and we'll do europe later. me doing a *wink* *wink*.

I can see now where this conversation is heading to.... :D

Jumping from one topic to another??? sounds familiar..

I guess, he's good enough to talk about the latvia game...

i shall be waiting...:p

Servinio
05-21-2007, 06:22 PM
If you talking about history..

RP team won bronse medal in OLYMPICS since 1956... long time ago....
too long but we made a history...

No one asian team yet overcome or level that achievement when it comes on basketball competition...
YOU MUST be referring to the 1954 World Championship in Brazil where the Philippines finished in Third Place behind legends Carlos Loyzaga and Lauro Mumar.

The Philippines best finish in the Olympics was in the 1936 Berlin Olympics were the team nicknamed "The Islanders" and bannered by Sen. Ambrosio Padilla, Jacinto Ciria Cruz and Charles Borck finished in Fifth Place. This despite the very complicated format that saw the Filipinos lose only once in the entire tournament and it was against eventual Gold Medalist the United States.

To this date, no Asian team has surpassed these achievements.

brownwarrior
05-22-2007, 01:26 AM
I believe the Olympic spot will be a 3 way battle among Philippines, Qatar, and Lebanon. I predict South Korea's young team to be ousted in the quarters, as well as Japan.

brownwarrior
05-22-2007, 02:17 AM
when will the disillusioned learn when when they see the light, as u and i have seen.

also the 49ers are not a strong stable team in div 1 ncaa play. so what they made the big dance last tourney. didnt fullerton take out the phil nt squad? 49ers are nto a strong enoguh squad with a history to say "look we beat them we are good" no if u put duke, unc, texas, indiana, syracuse(who plays more intl style of play) then yeah i would have something to cheer on and say yesu make a valid point. just for the lvoe of god and past century worshipping to my fellow ancesters on this board stop saying whose dick is bigger thru past accomplishments...dwell on the present and worry about the future of what we can do and how we can prepare to be competitive in a globalizing sport

Very POETIC.:D

utog10
05-22-2007, 03:30 AM
Team Philippines will definitely rock the basketball arena this abc. They shocked the US NCCA Div I teams led by an NBA veteran who played against M. JOrdan.... and the USBL selection team in their recent US training/camp.

This time, team PILIPINAS will bring the house down...

It's really good that other teams are not paying attention to RP team.. it's because we are sending class b & c in international competions... and also philippines were not able to play internationally for 2 years (i guess) because of the banned imposed by FIBA. They think philippines is just a weak team... but lebanon got a taste of what RP team is capable of... considering that lebanon played the RP Team B... not yet the best team...

This time we will be bringing in the very best of RP squad... watch out very carefully...

Why not ask the coaches from each participating team on who's the team to watch this coming ABC?

do you have any idea wwhich name will come out aside from China???

hehehe... i dont want to brag again... try searching the net about interviews of the head coache of other asian teams... especially those who had played the recently formed RP squad... and you should have read the interview of the American coach of Lebanon after playing gainst RP... He dreamed of coaching here in RP... the reason??? ask him... he's willing to give up Lebanon NT just to become a ballclub coach in RP... but no offer for him from any ballclubs in the PBA or any other leagues in the philippines.

Please ask your coaches...and you will know the answers...


nice one bro!!!! do you have the link for this????:D

Dinamita
05-22-2007, 03:55 AM
6'7 fil-am sthepen hetkins....
any info of him guys?

Dinamita
05-22-2007, 03:59 AM
he will be joining the PBA draft...
with 6'5 Gabe Norwood and 6'7 Joe Devance

Projectspeed
05-22-2007, 04:25 AM
for me, the final Asian slot for the Olympics basketball competition will be up for grabs by the following countries...

Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Qatar, Kazakstan, Iran

:D luck and the proper preparation will determine their placings:D

any team can beat each other out:D

pachador
05-22-2007, 05:05 AM
just to verify, are you sure about the spelling of this 'sthepen hetkins' ??
thanks


6'7 fil-am sthepen hetkins....
any info of him guys?

kerouac82
05-22-2007, 05:36 AM
I've been looking around Google for "Stephen Hetkins" and have had no success yet. Perhaps you were referring to another Stephen that played for Holy Names University in the NAIA.

By the way, you might want to start a thread for this in the Philippines forum.

onono1
05-22-2007, 05:47 AM
just to verify, are you sure about the spelling of this 'sthepen hetkins' ??
thanks

Perhaps its stephen hopkins, this basketball forum has been a murder for wrong spelling of names, etc.... :p I may be sound bias but we filipinos are the best when it comes on spelling. Anyway, how about the rumored (or humour) fil-am 7 footer ronnie aguilar, is he for real or what. Maybe he's brazillian or latino.

pachador
05-22-2007, 05:56 AM
he could be a latino but not brazilian because his parents names (lilian romero and gabriel aguilar) are not portuguese-sounding although you never know





just to verify, are you sure about the spelling of this 'sthepen hetkins' ??
thanks

Perhaps its stephen hopkins, this basketball forum has been a murder for wrong spelling of names, etc.... :p I may be sound bias but we filipinos are the best when it comes on spelling. Anyway, how about the rumored (or humour) fil-am 7 footer ronnie aguilar, is he for real or what. Maybe he's brazillian or latino.

onono1
05-22-2007, 05:58 AM
for me, the final Asian slot for the Olympics basketball competition will be up for grabs by the following countries...

Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Qatar, Kazakstan, Iran

:D luck and the proper preparation will determine their placings:D

any team can beat each other out:D

For me excluding china w/c might be sending their team b, its lebanon, qatar, south korea and the dark horse the philippines :rolleyes:

Dinamita
05-22-2007, 06:19 AM
Im sorry guys...
But I just got that name from another forum..
I also tried searching and nothing happened...
I even change the spelling but still nothing....

I heard that this 7 footer aguilar has a brother who is playing in an amateur league... I hope he's for real..

Dinamita
05-22-2007, 06:24 AM
other info..
He is a son of a former tennis player.. Like JOAKIM NOAH of Florida... hehehehe... He played in LSU...
He was seen watching STA LUCIA game with Joe Devance...

Projectspeed
05-22-2007, 06:30 AM
For me excluding china w/c might be sending their team b, its lebanon, qatar, south korea and the dark horse the philippines :rolleyes:

but we must also be weary of the current FIBA Champions Cup gold medalist and Doha Asian GAmes bronze medalist .... IRAN:D

also ... 2006 Asian Games semi-finalist plus Jordanian-foreign players.... JORDAN :D

current East Asian Games defending champion.... TAIWAN :D

Mid-Asia Champion, ... KAZAKHSTAN, I can't remember when was the last time we beat this team? :D

host and last WBC contestant ... JAPAN :D

with 3 BraSyrian added in the line-up ... SYRIA :D

pachador
05-22-2007, 06:33 AM
were r u in cali? im in west covina . you still play bbball? which forum did you get this news from? devance watched sta lucia because he is friends wih kelly williams




other info..
He is a son of a former tennis player.. Like JOAKIM NOAH of Florida... hehehehe... He played in LSU...
He was seen watching STA LUCIA game with Joe Devance...

Dinamita
05-22-2007, 06:38 AM
were r u in cali? im in west covina . you still play bbball?

Im from the Bay...
Oakland...
Yeah, I still play ball... But I cant jump anymore... hahahaha... Damn I miss my Highschool days.... :D

FUTURE OF PHILIPPINES?..
JOE DEVANCE 6'7....
BOBBY PARKS SON 6'3 and still growing...
JAPETH AGUILAR 6'9..
JAY WASHINGTON 6'7...
KELLY WILLIAMS 6'7...
RONNIE AGUILAR? 7'0..
Samigue Eman 6'10..
Lawrence Bonus 6'7?
Damn a Very tall lineup..

vladski
05-22-2007, 06:52 AM
nice one bro!!!! do you have the link for this????:D


Thanks. Check out the other thread i formed... it's in PHILIPPINES/Assessment of foreign coaches on Philippines NATIONAL TEAM... i posted some commentaries from other foreign coaches since the NT was hastily formed in 2005 to present.

I'm still searching for other comments from the recent games of the philippines.

Enjoy reading bro!

Projectspeed
05-22-2007, 07:18 AM
LEBANON, S.Korea,Qatar,IRAN,JORDAN,SYRIA,TAIWAN,KAZAKHSTAN, JA PAN

:D

no post with regards to RP NT team please:D

igorotski
05-22-2007, 07:31 AM
YOU MUST be referring to the 1954 World Championship in Brazil where the Philippines finished in Third Place behind legends Carlos Loyzaga and Lauro Mumar.

The Philippines best finish in the Olympics was in the 1936 Berlin Olympics were the team nicknamed "The Islanders" and bannered by Sen. Ambrosio Padilla, Jacinto Ciria Cruz and Charles Borck finished in Fifth Place. This despite the very complicated format that saw the Filipinos lose only once in the entire tournament and it was against eventual Gold Medalist the United States.

To this date, no Asian team has surpassed these achievements.

can there jus be a new thread?like "Achievements in the Past"? this thing really is endless even tho everyone already knows this

karim
05-22-2007, 08:31 AM
the top 4 teams are :
1-Palestine:Coming out of the war , they wanna prove themselves worthy and win this year,s asia championship...........
2-Afghanistan:Main jobs(mechanics)so it would be an easy transition for them to become basketball players and we see how common both these jobs are
3-Iraq:they are used to playing under war so look for them to be aggressive this tournament
4-Hongkong:they lost by 66pts to Leb and by 76pts to Jordan in the last asian championship but they were a young team who showed alot of promise in that tournament so i expect them to be better and probably be the black horse of this tournament ;)

Projectspeed
05-22-2007, 09:02 AM
the top 4 teams are :
1-Palestine:Coming out of the war , they wanna prove themselves worthy and win this year,s asia championship...........
2-Afghanistan:Main jobs(mechanics)so it would be an easy transition for them to become basketball players and we see how common both these jobs are
3-Iraq:they are used to playing under war so look for them to be aggressive this tournament
4-Hongkong:they lost by 66pts to Leb and by 76pts to Jordan in the last asian championship but they were a young team who showed alot of promise in that tournament so i expect them to be better and probably be the black horse of this tournament ;)

Timor Leste, Brunei, Cambodia and Maldives will beat those teams:D

kidding aside...

top 4 teams as of date for me...if given the scenario that all the good active players/coaches etc... will be included...:D

1. China
2. Lebanon
3. South Korea
4. Qatar

but RP, Iran, Japan, Syria, Taiwan, Jordan and Kazakstan will surely be darkhorse and can replace the no. 2 to 4 :D

onono1
05-22-2007, 09:09 AM
Im from the Bay...
Oakland...
Yeah, I still play ball... But I cant jump anymore... hahahaha... Damn I miss my Highschool days.... :D

FUTURE OF PHILIPPINES?..
JOE DEVANCE 6'7....
BOBBY PARKS SON 6'3 and still growing...
JAPETH AGUILAR 6'9..
JAY WASHINGTON 6'7...
KELLY WILLIAMS 6'7...
RONNIE AGUILAR? 7'0..
Samigue Eman 6'10..
Lawrence Bonus 6'7?
Damn a Very tall lineup..

Dude, your piece is quite interesting with those fil-foreigners lineup. Except of course the only filipino samigue eman, i wonder why did u include eman in this thread because based on the reports and according to many basketball scouts as well, 6-10 eman has no skills and quickness for basketball living. You could see him the way he's been playing in the pbl. No offense meant.

spanishman
05-22-2007, 10:07 AM
Gun-sight, darling projectspeed, we all know that the level in Asia is very equal (and to the fall) among 8 or 9 teams that go behind China (equipment(team) that not this one among the best ten of the world). Sincerely I think that the one that was the better second Asian team, Lebanon, this one in an evil moment, which can be taken advantage by selections to the rise as Syria, Jordan and Iran. South Korea and Japan I do not believe either that they have real possibilities of obtaining seat for pekin, especially because they lacking defense and height. My favorites for the Asian sound, for this order:
1. China (with the team b) 2. Irán. 3. Japan (for being the organizing nation of the event) 4. Lebanon 5. Jordan 6. South Korea 7. Syria 8. Philippines

FilWelsh
05-22-2007, 11:53 AM
Hiya ! ! guys, I'm new to this forum, as a start we'll read this article from a Philippine daily paper. . .


" BraSyrians foil RP 5’s bid
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson

Tuesday, May 22, 2007
Page: 1

It took a pair of so-called BraSyrians to thwart the San Miguel Beer-Philippine team’s bid for a finals berth at the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Tehran last Saturday.

Al Jalaa Aleppo of Syria recruited not two but three BraSyrians to back up imports Bernard Jons and Julius Nwosu in a heavily reinforced roster.

Syria crushed the Philippines twice in the nine-day joust. The first meeting came in the elimination round with Syria taking a 114-80 decision. In the semifinals, Syria blasted the Philippines again, 109-77. A win by the Philippines in the rematch would’ve sent coach Chot Reyes’ charges into the finals.

Syria’s coach was American John Sneed who once called the shots for the California State at Fullerton varsity. Al Jalaa wound up second after losing to host Saba Battery in the championship game last Sunday. The Philippines finished fourth, its best finish in the tournament since winning the crown in 1996.

The BraSyrian guns-for-hire were 6-3 Eduardo Caviglia (renamed Farhat), 6-5 Andre Luiz Chueri da Silva “Dede” Barbosa and 6-9 Marcelo de Andrade Correa. They claim Syrian heritage and will likely play for the national squad at the FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima this July.

Correa, 30, saw action for San Diego State, an NCAA Division I school, in 1997-2001. His father Roberto is supposed to be Syrian and was a Brazilian national cager. His mother Lucia Helena is Brazilian.

Caviglia, 30, played for West Texas A&M and his father purportedly migrated from Syria to Brazil over 30 years ago. Caviglia has dropped his surname and is now known as Farhat which definitely sounds more Syrian.

“Dede,” 27, might even be related to the Phoenix Suns’ Leandrinho (The Brazilian Blur) Barbosa, who was named the NBA’s Sixth Man awardee this season. To allay suspicions, “Dede” now uses Chueri as a last name. Who knows? Maybe the Phoenix star might show up in a Syrian uniform in Tokushima as another BraSyrian.

Caviglia and Barbosa inflicted a lot of damage on the Philippines in the second encounter. They combined for 38 points and were two of four Syrian scorers in double figures. Correa was not a factor.

Under FIBA rules, a national team may suit up only one naturalized player. But there is no restriction on the number of dual citizens in a roster. The presumption is dual citizens are not naturalized but legitimate nationals. That’s why the Philippines is able to enlist Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava, Mick Pennisi and Tony de la Cruz for the national squad. That’s the same rule Syria has invoked in tapping the three BraSyrians.

The question is – are the three BraSyrians legitimate? Do they really trace their roots to Syria? What is the probability of finding three professional Brazilian basketball players, unrelated to each other, with Syrian lineage?

More and more, there are reports coming out that poor African athletes are being sold wholesale to West Asian or Middle East countries for “conversion” not as naturalized citizens but as “origin” players or those eligible for dual citizenship because of heritage.

Like other countries, the Philippines is entitled to recruit one naturalized player – a foreigner who goes through the immigration process of acquiring Filipino citizenship. As an example, Alex Compton would be eligible to play for the Philippines if he took out Filipino citizenship. It’s the same case with La Salle cager Marko Batricevic of Serbia. There is no residence rule for naturalization in FIBA, meaning a foreigner may be brought in and given instant citizenship to become eligible as a national player. Theoretically, a James Penny or a Marquin Chandler could play for the Philippines if he becomes a naturalized citizen. The limitation is only one naturalized player is allowed per national team.

Hakeem Olajuwon of Nigeria was given instant citizenship to play for the US as a naturalized citizen in the 1996 Olympics, exempted from the then-FIBA rule requiring a three-year prior notice. Olajuwon wasn’t the only foreigner naturalized to play for the US. Others included Panama’s Rolando Blackman and Jamaica’s Pat Ewing. FIBA previously allowed two naturalized players per country which is how Jeff Moore and Dennis Still played for the Philippines in the 1985 Asian Basketball Confederation championships.

In the Doha Asian Games last year, Japan brought in a naturalized player Eric McArthur of the University of California at Santa Barbara. Colorado State’s Joe Vogel, once drafted by the Seattle SuperSonics, has been a mainstay on Lebanon’s national team as a naturalized player for years. To add more sock to its lineup, Lebanon took in Tongan Paul Afeaki (renamed Khouri) and Brian Beshara (renamed Feghali) as “origin” players. Afeaki played for the University of Utah and Beshara, Louisiana State University in the US NCAA.

Recruiting fakes or mercenaries to beef up national teams is so rampant that it makes you wonder if there is still meaning to patriotism and the integrity of the game. "



Upon reading that article, I came withis comment :

i think its not right for Mr. Henson to assume that the Syrians were cheating if we look closely on the demographic composition of Brazilian population. As a proof, I extracted this article from Wikipedia :

" The population of Brazil identifying with either full or partial Arabic descent is estimated at between 15 to 17 million people, most of them tracing their roots back to Lebanese and Syrian immigrants who arrived in Brazil in the early 1900s. The Lebanese population in Brazil, over 10 million descendants and recent immigrants is larger than the population in Lebanon. Today, only a minority of these Arab Brazilians still know and use their original Arabic language, most of them having shifted to Portuguese.

Immigration of Arabs to Brazil started in the late 1800s, most of them coming from Lebanon, later from Syria and Jordan, Palestine and Morocco. Arab immigration to Brazil grew in the 1900s, and was concentrated in the state of São Paulo, but also extended to Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro and other parts of Brazil.

Initially, most Arab immigrants in Brazil were Christians.However, after the 1970s, many Muslim Lebanese immigrated, and the current Muslim population of Brazil, predominantly of Lebanese origin, is estimated at 1.5 million.[1] There are also Brazilian Jews who are or whose ancestors were immigrants from Lebanon, Syria and North Africa; among them is Harry Abdul, the father of American singer/dancer Paula Abdul."


Since a significant portion of Brazilians are of Syrian descent, it would be automatically be the same with its professonal basketball players.

Mr. Henson should have examine first the citizenship issues of some RP players such as Taulava and Penissi who has no pint of Filipino blood(who were just granted Philippine passports due to humanitarian reasons and as for having Filipino wives) before throwing dirts to the Syrians. . .

As for the Philippine team, they're all crap. . . you're only good if FIBA rules change by allowing only players with height 6'7" and below to play. . . It's hard to swallow but let's face it, Filipinos were vertically and horizontally inferior. That's the reality, mate.

Bred, Born and Raised a Man U

Projectspeed
05-22-2007, 12:06 PM
Hiya ! ! guys, I'm new to this forum, as a start we'll read this article from a Philippine daily paper. . .


" BraSyrians foil RP 5’s bid
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson

Tuesday, May 22, 2007
Page: 1

It took a pair of so-called BraSyrians to thwart the San Miguel Beer-Philippine team’s bid for a finals berth at the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Tehran last Saturday.

Al Jalaa Aleppo of Syria recruited not two but three BraSyrians to back up imports Bernard Jons and Julius Nwosu in a heavily reinforced roster.

Syria crushed the Philippines twice in the nine-day joust. The first meeting came in the elimination round with Syria taking a 114-80 decision. In the semifinals, Syria blasted the Philippines again, 109-77. A win by the Philippines in the rematch would’ve sent coach Chot Reyes’ charges into the finals.

Syria’s coach was American John Sneed who once called the shots for the California State at Fullerton varsity. Al Jalaa wound up second after losing to host Saba Battery in the championship game last Sunday. The Philippines finished fourth, its best finish in the tournament since winning the crown in 1996.

The BraSyrian guns-for-hire were 6-3 Eduardo Caviglia (renamed Farhat), 6-5 Andre Luiz Chueri da Silva “Dede” Barbosa and 6-9 Marcelo de Andrade Correa. They claim Syrian heritage and will likely play for the national squad at the FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima this July.

Correa, 30, saw action for San Diego State, an NCAA Division I school, in 1997-2001. His father Roberto is supposed to be Syrian and was a Brazilian national cager. His mother Lucia Helena is Brazilian.

Caviglia, 30, played for West Texas A&M and his father purportedly migrated from Syria to Brazil over 30 years ago. Caviglia has dropped his surname and is now known as Farhat which definitely sounds more Syrian.

“Dede,” 27, might even be related to the Phoenix Suns’ Leandrinho (The Brazilian Blur) Barbosa, who was named the NBA’s Sixth Man awardee this season. To allay suspicions, “Dede” now uses Chueri as a last name. Who knows? Maybe the Phoenix star might show up in a Syrian uniform in Tokushima as another BraSyrian.

Caviglia and Barbosa inflicted a lot of damage on the Philippines in the second encounter. They combined for 38 points and were two of four Syrian scorers in double figures. Correa was not a factor.

Under FIBA rules, a national team may suit up only one naturalized player. But there is no restriction on the number of dual citizens in a roster. The presumption is dual citizens are not naturalized but legitimate nationals. That’s why the Philippines is able to enlist Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava, Mick Pennisi and Tony de la Cruz for the national squad. That’s the same rule Syria has invoked in tapping the three BraSyrians.

The question is – are the three BraSyrians legitimate? Do they really trace their roots to Syria? What is the probability of finding three professional Brazilian basketball players, unrelated to each other, with Syrian lineage?

More and more, there are reports coming out that poor African athletes are being sold wholesale to West Asian or Middle East countries for “conversion” not as naturalized citizens but as “origin” players or those eligible for dual citizenship because of heritage.

Like other countries, the Philippines is entitled to recruit one naturalized player – a foreigner who goes through the immigration process of acquiring Filipino citizenship. As an example, Alex Compton would be eligible to play for the Philippines if he took out Filipino citizenship. It’s the same case with La Salle cager Marko Batricevic of Serbia. There is no residence rule for naturalization in FIBA, meaning a foreigner may be brought in and given instant citizenship to become eligible as a national player. Theoretically, a James Penny or a Marquin Chandler could play for the Philippines if he becomes a naturalized citizen. The limitation is only one naturalized player is allowed per national team.

Hakeem Olajuwon of Nigeria was given instant citizenship to play for the US as a naturalized citizen in the 1996 Olympics, exempted from the then-FIBA rule requiring a three-year prior notice. Olajuwon wasn’t the only foreigner naturalized to play for the US. Others included Panama’s Rolando Blackman and Jamaica’s Pat Ewing. FIBA previously allowed two naturalized players per country which is how Jeff Moore and Dennis Still played for the Philippines in the 1985 Asian Basketball Confederation championships.

In the Doha Asian Games last year, Japan brought in a naturalized player Eric McArthur of the University of California at Santa Barbara. Colorado State’s Joe Vogel, once drafted by the Seattle SuperSonics, has been a mainstay on Lebanon’s national team as a naturalized player for years. To add more sock to its lineup, Lebanon took in Tongan Paul Afeaki (renamed Khouri) and Brian Beshara (renamed Feghali) as “origin” players. Afeaki played for the University of Utah and Beshara, Louisiana State University in the US NCAA.

Recruiting fakes or mercenaries to beef up national teams is so rampant that it makes you wonder if there is still meaning to patriotism and the integrity of the game. "



Upon reading that article, I came withis comment :

i think its not right for Mr. Henson to assume that the Syrians were cheating if we look closely on the demographic composition of Brazilian population. As a proof, I extracted this article from Wikipedia :

" The population of Brazil identifying with either full or partial Arabic descent is estimated at between 15 to 17 million people, most of them tracing their roots back to Lebanese and Syrian immigrants who arrived in Brazil in the early 1900s. The Lebanese population in Brazil, over 10 million descendants and recent immigrants is larger than the population in Lebanon. Today, only a minority of these Arab Brazilians still know and use their original Arabic language, most of them having shifted to Portuguese.

Immigration of Arabs to Brazil started in the late 1800s, most of them coming from Lebanon, later from Syria and Jordan, Palestine and Morocco. Arab immigration to Brazil grew in the 1900s, and was concentrated in the state of São Paulo, but also extended to Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro and other parts of Brazil.

Initially, most Arab immigrants in Brazil were Christians.However, after the 1970s, many Muslim Lebanese immigrated, and the current Muslim population of Brazil, predominantly of Lebanese origin, is estimated at 1.5 million.[1] There are also Brazilian Jews who are or whose ancestors were immigrants from Lebanon, Syria and North Africa; among them is Harry Abdul, the father of American singer/dancer Paula Abdul."


Since a significant portion of Brazilians are of Syrian descent, it would be automatically be the same with its professonal basketball players.

Mr. Henson should have examine first the citizenship issues of some RP players such as Taulava and Penissi who has no pint of Filipino blood(who were just granted Philippine passports due to humanitarian reasons and as for having Filipino wives) before throwing dirts to the Syrians. . .

As for the Philippine team, they're all crap. . . you're only good if FIBA rules change by allowing only players with height 6'7" and below to play. . . It's hard to swallow but let's face it, Filipinos were vertically and horizontally inferior. That's the reality, mate.

Bred, Born and Raised a Man U

philippine star bro:D welcome to the board bro:D

TechSupport
05-22-2007, 12:17 PM
Hiya ! ! guys, I'm new to this forum, as a start we'll read this article from a Philippine daily paper. . .


" BraSyrians foil RP 5’s bid
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson

Tuesday, May 22, 2007
Page: 1

It took a pair of so-called BraSyrians to thwart the San Miguel Beer-Philippine team’s bid for a finals berth at the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Tehran last Saturday.

Al Jalaa Aleppo of Syria recruited not two but three BraSyrians to back up imports Bernard Jons and Julius Nwosu in a heavily reinforced roster.

Syria crushed the Philippines twice in the nine-day joust. The first meeting came in the elimination round with Syria taking a 114-80 decision. In the semifinals, Syria blasted the Philippines again, 109-77. A win by the Philippines in the rematch would’ve sent coach Chot Reyes’ charges into the finals.

Syria’s coach was American John Sneed who once called the shots for the California State at Fullerton varsity. Al Jalaa wound up second after losing to host Saba Battery in the championship game last Sunday. The Philippines finished fourth, its best finish in the tournament since winning the crown in 1996.

The BraSyrian guns-for-hire were 6-3 Eduardo Caviglia (renamed Farhat), 6-5 Andre Luiz Chueri da Silva “Dede” Barbosa and 6-9 Marcelo de Andrade Correa. They claim Syrian heritage and will likely play for the national squad at the FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima this July.

Correa, 30, saw action for San Diego State, an NCAA Division I school, in 1997-2001. His father Roberto is supposed to be Syrian and was a Brazilian national cager. His mother Lucia Helena is Brazilian.

Caviglia, 30, played for West Texas A&M and his father purportedly migrated from Syria to Brazil over 30 years ago. Caviglia has dropped his surname and is now known as Farhat which definitely sounds more Syrian.

“Dede,” 27, might even be related to the Phoenix Suns’ Leandrinho (The Brazilian Blur) Barbosa, who was named the NBA’s Sixth Man awardee this season. To allay suspicions, “Dede” now uses Chueri as a last name. Who knows? Maybe the Phoenix star might show up in a Syrian uniform in Tokushima as another BraSyrian.

Caviglia and Barbosa inflicted a lot of damage on the Philippines in the second encounter. They combined for 38 points and were two of four Syrian scorers in double figures. Correa was not a factor.

Under FIBA rules, a national team may suit up only one naturalized player. But there is no restriction on the number of dual citizens in a roster. The presumption is dual citizens are not naturalized but legitimate nationals. That’s why the Philippines is able to enlist Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava, Mick Pennisi and Tony de la Cruz for the national squad. That’s the same rule Syria has invoked in tapping the three BraSyrians.

The question is – are the three BraSyrians legitimate? Do they really trace their roots to Syria? What is the probability of finding three professional Brazilian basketball players, unrelated to each other, with Syrian lineage?

More and more, there are reports coming out that poor African athletes are being sold wholesale to West Asian or Middle East countries for “conversion” not as naturalized citizens but as “origin” players or those eligible for dual citizenship because of heritage.

Like other countries, the Philippines is entitled to recruit one naturalized player – a foreigner who goes through the immigration process of acquiring Filipino citizenship. As an example, Alex Compton would be eligible to play for the Philippines if he took out Filipino citizenship. It’s the same case with La Salle cager Marko Batricevic of Serbia. There is no residence rule for naturalization in FIBA, meaning a foreigner may be brought in and given instant citizenship to become eligible as a national player. Theoretically, a James Penny or a Marquin Chandler could play for the Philippines if he becomes a naturalized citizen. The limitation is only one naturalized player is allowed per national team.

Hakeem Olajuwon of Nigeria was given instant citizenship to play for the US as a naturalized citizen in the 1996 Olympics, exempted from the then-FIBA rule requiring a three-year prior notice. Olajuwon wasn’t the only foreigner naturalized to play for the US. Others included Panama’s Rolando Blackman and Jamaica’s Pat Ewing. FIBA previously allowed two naturalized players per country which is how Jeff Moore and Dennis Still played for the Philippines in the 1985 Asian Basketball Confederation championships.

In the Doha Asian Games last year, Japan brought in a naturalized player Eric McArthur of the University of California at Santa Barbara. Colorado State’s Joe Vogel, once drafted by the Seattle SuperSonics, has been a mainstay on Lebanon’s national team as a naturalized player for years. To add more sock to its lineup, Lebanon took in Tongan Paul Afeaki (renamed Khouri) and Brian Beshara (renamed Feghali) as “origin” players. Afeaki played for the University of Utah and Beshara, Louisiana State University in the US NCAA.

Recruiting fakes or mercenaries to beef up national teams is so rampant that it makes you wonder if there is still meaning to patriotism and the integrity of the game. "



Upon reading that article, I came withis comment :

i think its not right for Mr. Henson to assume that the Syrians were cheating if we look closely on the demographic composition of Brazilian population. As a proof, I extracted this article from Wikipedia :

" The population of Brazil identifying with either full or partial Arabic descent is estimated at between 15 to 17 million people, most of them tracing their roots back to Lebanese and Syrian immigrants who arrived in Brazil in the early 1900s. The Lebanese population in Brazil, over 10 million descendants and recent immigrants is larger than the population in Lebanon. Today, only a minority of these Arab Brazilians still know and use their original Arabic language, most of them having shifted to Portuguese.

Immigration of Arabs to Brazil started in the late 1800s, most of them coming from Lebanon, later from Syria and Jordan, Palestine and Morocco. Arab immigration to Brazil grew in the 1900s, and was concentrated in the state of São Paulo, but also extended to Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro and other parts of Brazil.

Initially, most Arab immigrants in Brazil were Christians.However, after the 1970s, many Muslim Lebanese immigrated, and the current Muslim population of Brazil, predominantly of Lebanese origin, is estimated at 1.5 million.[1] There are also Brazilian Jews who are or whose ancestors were immigrants from Lebanon, Syria and North Africa; among them is Harry Abdul, the father of American singer/dancer Paula Abdul."


Since a significant portion of Brazilians are of Syrian descent, it would be automatically be the same with its professonal basketball players.

Mr. Henson should have examine first the citizenship issues of some RP players such as Taulava and Penissi who has no pint of Filipino blood(who were just granted Philippine passports due to humanitarian reasons and as for having Filipino wives) before throwing dirts to the Syrians. . .

As for the Philippine team, they're all crap. . . you're only good if FIBA rules change by allowing only players with height 6'7" and below to play. . . It's hard to swallow but let's face it, Filipinos were vertically and horizontally inferior. That's the reality, mate.

Bred, Born and Raised a Man U
one of those people who hates pacquiao but celebrates after he knocks down an opponent. :p

mikepogi
05-22-2007, 01:12 PM
Hiya ! ! guys, I'm new to this forum, as a start we'll read this article from a Philippine daily paper. . .


" BraSyrians foil RP 5’s bid
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson

Tuesday, May 22, 2007
Page: 1

It took a pair of so-called BraSyrians to thwart the San Miguel Beer-Philippine team’s bid for a finals berth at the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Tehran last Saturday.

Al Jalaa Aleppo of Syria recruited not two but three BraSyrians to back up imports Bernard Jons and Julius Nwosu in a heavily reinforced roster.

Syria crushed the Philippines twice in the nine-day joust. The first meeting came in the elimination round with Syria taking a 114-80 decision. In the semifinals, Syria blasted the Philippines again, 109-77. A win by the Philippines in the rematch would’ve sent coach Chot Reyes’ charges into the finals.

Syria’s coach was American John Sneed who once called the shots for the California State at Fullerton varsity. Al Jalaa wound up second after losing to host Saba Battery in the championship game last Sunday. The Philippines finished fourth, its best finish in the tournament since winning the crown in 1996.

The BraSyrian guns-for-hire were 6-3 Eduardo Caviglia (renamed Farhat), 6-5 Andre Luiz Chueri da Silva “Dede” Barbosa and 6-9 Marcelo de Andrade Correa. They claim Syrian heritage and will likely play for the national squad at the FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima this July.

Correa, 30, saw action for San Diego State, an NCAA Division I school, in 1997-2001. His father Roberto is supposed to be Syrian and was a Brazilian national cager. His mother Lucia Helena is Brazilian.

Caviglia, 30, played for West Texas A&M and his father purportedly migrated from Syria to Brazil over 30 years ago. Caviglia has dropped his surname and is now known as Farhat which definitely sounds more Syrian.

“Dede,” 27, might even be related to the Phoenix Suns’ Leandrinho (The Brazilian Blur) Barbosa, who was named the NBA’s Sixth Man awardee this season. To allay suspicions, “Dede” now uses Chueri as a last name. Who knows? Maybe the Phoenix star might show up in a Syrian uniform in Tokushima as another BraSyrian.

Caviglia and Barbosa inflicted a lot of damage on the Philippines in the second encounter. They combined for 38 points and were two of four Syrian scorers in double figures. Correa was not a factor.

Under FIBA rules, a national team may suit up only one naturalized player. But there is no restriction on the number of dual citizens in a roster. The presumption is dual citizens are not naturalized but legitimate nationals. That’s why the Philippines is able to enlist Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava, Mick Pennisi and Tony de la Cruz for the national squad. That’s the same rule Syria has invoked in tapping the three BraSyrians.

The question is – are the three BraSyrians legitimate? Do they really trace their roots to Syria? What is the probability of finding three professional Brazilian basketball players, unrelated to each other, with Syrian lineage?

More and more, there are reports coming out that poor African athletes are being sold wholesale to West Asian or Middle East countries for “conversion” not as naturalized citizens but as “origin” players or those eligible for dual citizenship because of heritage.

Like other countries, the Philippines is entitled to recruit one naturalized player – a foreigner who goes through the immigration process of acquiring Filipino citizenship. As an example, Alex Compton would be eligible to play for the Philippines if he took out Filipino citizenship. It’s the same case with La Salle cager Marko Batricevic of Serbia. There is no residence rule for naturalization in FIBA, meaning a foreigner may be brought in and given instant citizenship to become eligible as a national player. Theoretically, a James Penny or a Marquin Chandler could play for the Philippines if he becomes a naturalized citizen. The limitation is only one naturalized player is allowed per national team.

Hakeem Olajuwon of Nigeria was given instant citizenship to play for the US as a naturalized citizen in the 1996 Olympics, exempted from the then-FIBA rule requiring a three-year prior notice. Olajuwon wasn’t the only foreigner naturalized to play for the US. Others included Panama’s Rolando Blackman and Jamaica’s Pat Ewing. FIBA previously allowed two naturalized players per country which is how Jeff Moore and Dennis Still played for the Philippines in the 1985 Asian Basketball Confederation championships.

In the Doha Asian Games last year, Japan brought in a naturalized player Eric McArthur of the University of California at Santa Barbara. Colorado State’s Joe Vogel, once drafted by the Seattle SuperSonics, has been a mainstay on Lebanon’s national team as a naturalized player for years. To add more sock to its lineup, Lebanon took in Tongan Paul Afeaki (renamed Khouri) and Brian Beshara (renamed Feghali) as “origin” players. Afeaki played for the University of Utah and Beshara, Louisiana State University in the US NCAA.

Recruiting fakes or mercenaries to beef up national teams is so rampant that it makes you wonder if there is still meaning to patriotism and the integrity of the game. "



Upon reading that article, I came withis comment :

i think its not right for Mr. Henson to assume that the Syrians were cheating if we look closely on the demographic composition of Brazilian population. As a proof, I extracted this article from Wikipedia :

" The population of Brazil identifying with either full or partial Arabic descent is estimated at between 15 to 17 million people, most of them tracing their roots back to Lebanese and Syrian immigrants who arrived in Brazil in the early 1900s. The Lebanese population in Brazil, over 10 million descendants and recent immigrants is larger than the population in Lebanon. Today, only a minority of these Arab Brazilians still know and use their original Arabic language, most of them having shifted to Portuguese.

Immigration of Arabs to Brazil started in the late 1800s, most of them coming from Lebanon, later from Syria and Jordan, Palestine and Morocco. Arab immigration to Brazil grew in the 1900s, and was concentrated in the state of São Paulo, but also extended to Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro and other parts of Brazil.

Initially, most Arab immigrants in Brazil were Christians.However, after the 1970s, many Muslim Lebanese immigrated, and the current Muslim population of Brazil, predominantly of Lebanese origin, is estimated at 1.5 million.[1] There are also Brazilian Jews who are or whose ancestors were immigrants from Lebanon, Syria and North Africa; among them is Harry Abdul, the father of American singer/dancer Paula Abdul."


Since a significant portion of Brazilians are of Syrian descent, it would be automatically be the same with its professonal basketball players.

Mr. Henson should have examine first the citizenship issues of some RP players such as Taulava and Penissi who has no pint of Filipino blood(who were just granted Philippine passports due to humanitarian reasons and as for having Filipino wives) before throwing dirts to the Syrians. . .

As for the Philippine team, they're all crap. . . you're only good if FIBA rules change by allowing only players with height 6'7" and below to play. . . It's hard to swallow but let's face it, Filipinos were vertically and horizontally inferior. That's the reality, mate.

Bred, Born and Raised a Man U
What a way to make your first post!! Antogonizing every Filipino members in this forum.

The issue here is really simple, if both of his parents are Syrian nationals then he is full blooded. He's half breed, if only one of his parents (mother or father) is a Syrian. If neither of those two conditions applies then he should be naturalized in order to get citizenship. Now what crap are you trying to prove by posting a stupid and boring post of geography and history in this thread. You do know that this is a basketball forum, right! And we don't talk about shit like that here

Taulava started playing RP ball in 1998 as an amateur, a year later he joined the pros, a year later he was suspended, after that he spent 2 years defending his case in the courts to prove his citizenship, until he was allowed to play and eventually included in the RP lineup for the 2002 Asian games. What I am saying is that it took him almost 5-6 years before he was called to join the RP team. It was not like he was foreign player whom we took and then immediately inserted in the RP lineup just cause he can play ball. It goes the same with other Fil-foreigners who are member of this squad. They were investigated, grilled by our courts before legitimizing their citizenship. In other words, they went through hell to prove they were really Filipinos (or half Filipinos). Now can you say the same about your Brazilian-Syrian players???

Now you can make your case about the RP team being weak, but you have yet to prove that Syria, even with those 3 so-called Brazilian-Syrian players of yours, can beat our RP team A without any imports. You cant cause they haven't played against each other yet...

el presidente
05-22-2007, 01:32 PM
Dude, your piece is quite interesting with those fil-foreigners lineup. Except of course the only filipino samigue eman, i wonder why did u include eman in this thread because based on the reports and according to many basketball scouts as well, 6-10 eman has no skills and quickness for basketball living. You could see him the way he's been playing in the pbl. No offense meant.

Well, Japeth Aguilar is pure Filipino too. He's the son of former Ginebra cager Peter Aguilar.

I feel so old... I still remember watching Peter Aguilar getting drafted by Anejo and playing out his rookie year way back in '88-- the time before there was an internet and dinosaurs roamed the Earth.

karim
05-22-2007, 05:17 PM
no man , about brian beshara and paul khoury , they do have lebanese blood im 100% sure , lebanon would never cheat they dont have the money for it :p but is it true what ur saying about Taulava and Pennisi not being filipino ? if ya than the filipino team would be really short !! :confused:

Dinamita
05-22-2007, 07:24 PM
Dude, your piece is quite interesting with those fil-foreigners lineup. Except of course the only filipino samigue eman, i wonder why did u include eman in this thread because based on the reports and according to many basketball scouts as well, 6-10 eman has no skills and quickness for basketball living. You could see him the way he's been playing in the pbl. No offense meant.

I just included him because he is tall :D
I forgot to include GABE NORWOOD

and I heard that Dorian Pena has a brother named Robert Pressey? he's still a soph at Coppin State....

I forgot the name of this Ateneo Big Guy... Not Japeth... Sounds like a chinese name.. He's playing in California Highschool now... I think he's 6'7 or 6'8

rensquared
05-23-2007, 12:42 AM
no man , about brian beshara and paul khoury , they do have lebanese blood im 100% sure , lebanon would never cheat they dont have the money for it :p but is it true what ur saying about Taulava and Pennisi not being filipino ? if ya than the filipino team would be really short !! :confused:

Hi Karim, in the case of Taulava and Pennisi, yes they are Filipinos. Although not full blooded, they were able to prove that are Half Filipino. Taulava is Half Filipino half Tongan, while Pennisi, I think, is Half Filipino halh Italian. They were grilled by our courts to prove their eligibility as a Filipino. Same goes for other Fil-ams that we have in our line up, like Seigle for example.

Peace out A town:D

rensquared
05-23-2007, 12:44 AM
Hi guys, look I'm already an official member of this forum. No longer a junior member. :D Yahoo!!

el presidente
05-23-2007, 03:57 AM
I just included him because he is tall :D
I forgot to include GABE NORWOOD

and I heard that Dorian Pena has a brother named Robert Pressey? he's still a soph at Coppin State....

I forgot the name of this Ateneo Big Guy... Not Japeth... Sounds like a chinese name.. He's playing in California Highschool now... I think he's 6'7 or 6'8

Gian Chiu. Reports say he's grown to around 6'10".

FilWelsh
05-23-2007, 09:16 PM
What a way to make your first post!! Antogonizing every Filipino members in this forum.

The issue here is really simple, if both of his parents are Syrian nationals then he is full blooded. He's half breed, if only one of his parents (mother or father) is a Syrian. If neither of those two conditions applies then he should be naturalized in order to get citizenship. Now what crap are you trying to prove by posting a stupid and boring post of geography and history in this thread. You do know that this is a basketball forum, right! And we don't talk about shit like that here

Taulava started playing RP ball in 1998 as an amateur, a year later he joined the pros, a year later he was suspended, after that he spent 2 years defending his case in the courts to prove his citizenship, until he was allowed to play and eventually included in the RP lineup for the 2002 Asian games. What I am saying is that it took him almost 5-6 years before he was called to join the RP team. It was not like he was foreign player whom we took and then immediately inserted in the RP lineup just cause he can play ball. It goes the same with other Fil-foreigners who are member of this squad. They were investigated, grilled by our courts before legitimizing their citizenship. In other words, they went through hell to prove they were really Filipinos (or half Filipinos). Now can you say the same about your Brazilian-Syrian players???

Now you can make your case about the RP team being weak, but you have yet to prove that Syria, even with those 3 so-called Brazilian-Syrian players of yours, can beat our RP team A without any imports. You cant cause they haven't played against each other yet...


I would like to extend my apology to Filipino members in this forum (for those nasty language that I have written.) . . My point is even if Taulava and Penissi were already granted Philippine citizenship, the cloudiness of their claims of Filipino ancestry remains. That cannot be said of Danny Seigle as he is legitimate Filipino.

pachador
05-23-2007, 09:27 PM
the point you are making about the cloudiness of penisi and taulava is moot ,academic and distracter to filipino fans because legally as far as the philippine laws are concerned they are filipinos as affirmed by the philippine high court so bringing up this issue is like putting salt on old wounds and makes one ask , what your point? specially more so that all filipinos need to be united with the fiba-asia games only 2 months away. why dont you bring up something positive instead? if you really want to discuss negative stuff, can't you wait until the fiba-asia is finished, please? Thanks !




I would like to extend my apology to Filipino members in this forum (for those nasty language that I have written.) . . My point is even if Taulava and Penissi were already granted Philippine citizenship, the cloudiness of their claims of Filipino ancestry remains. That cannot be said of Danny Seigle as he is legitimate Filipino.

rocks_24
05-23-2007, 11:26 PM
http://www.nikebasketball.com.ph/pnbt/

check this out!!!!!! hail our rp team


http://www.nikebasketball.com.ph/pnbt/

spanishman
05-24-2007, 01:12 AM
1.- CHINA (even with Team B is the best national team in Asia)
2.- JAPAN (playing like hosts and Pavlicevic progresses will be important factors to this second place even without Yuta Tabuse and Walter Brown).
3.- SYRIA (black horse of tournament... Crack Madanli)
4.- JORDAN (another black horse... Excellents players like Wright and Daghlas)
5.- LEBANON (traditionally the second best team in Asia, but lately is worsening his level)
6.- SOUTH KOREA (height is a problem)
7.- ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN (I do not discard surprises and this team obtain a better result)
8.- PHILIPPINES

I´M SORRY, PHILIPPINE FRIENDS, BUT YOUR NATIONAL TEAM IS NOT OF THE BEST AND TAULAVA ISN´T GASOL, ALAPAG ISN´T CALDERON AND NEITHER I THINK SEIGLE IS LIKE "THE BOMB" NAVARRO. I WISH COULD BE FILIPINOS COMPETITIVE IN A FUTURE.

bognut
05-24-2007, 01:57 AM
1.- CHINA (even with Team B is the best national team in Asia)
2.- JAPAN (playing like hosts and Pavlicevic progresses will be important factors to this second place even without Yuta Tabuse and Walter Brown).
3.- SYRIA (black horse of tournament... Crack Madanli)
4.- JORDAN (another black horse... Excellents players like Wright and Daghlas)
5.- LEBANON (traditionally the second best team in Asia, but lately is worsening his level)
6.- SOUTH KOREA (height is a problem)
7.- ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN (I do not discard surprises and this team obtain a better result)
8.- PHILIPPINES

I´M SORRY, PHILIPPINE FRIENDS, BUT YOUR NATIONAL TEAM IS NOT OF THE BEST AND TAULAVA ISN´T GASOL, ALAPAG ISN´T CALDERON AND NEITHER I THINK SEIGLE IS LIKE "THE BOMB" NAVARRO. I WISH COULD BE FILIPINOS COMPETITIVE IN A FUTURE.

so what is this? is this your ranking of the teams?

and ofcourse Rp team aint no Gasol or any player from you NT... Pinoy to! So we'll play Filipino Basketball!!! Peace :)

eitra
05-24-2007, 02:22 AM
1.- CHINA (even with Team B is the best national team in Asia)
2.- JAPAN (playing like hosts and Pavlicevic progresses will be important factors to this second place even without Yuta Tabuse and Walter Brown).
3.- SYRIA (black horse of tournament... Crack Madanli)
4.- JORDAN (another black horse... Excellents players like Wright and Daghlas)
5.- LEBANON (traditionally the second best team in Asia, but lately is worsening his level)
6.- SOUTH KOREA (height is a problem)
7.- ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN (I do not discard surprises and this team obtain a better result)
8.- PHILIPPINES

I´M SORRY, PHILIPPINE FRIENDS, BUT YOUR NATIONAL TEAM IS NOT OF THE BEST AND TAULAVA ISN´T GASOL, ALAPAG ISN´T CALDERON AND NEITHER I THINK SEIGLE IS LIKE "THE BOMB" NAVARRO. I WISH COULD BE FILIPINOS COMPETITIVE IN A FUTURE.well we just see who will be? Our country is still underdog in ASIA but who knows...But evry FILIPINOS HEART we are still NO.1....GOD BLESS RP TEAM.....

PRSURF
05-24-2007, 04:08 AM
1.- CHINA (even with Team B is the best national team in Asia)
2.- JAPAN (playing like hosts and Pavlicevic progresses will be important factors to this second place even without Yuta Tabuse and Walter Brown).
3.- SYRIA (black horse of tournament... Crack Madanli)
4.- JORDAN (another black horse... Excellents players like Wright and Daghlas)
5.- LEBANON (traditionally the second best team in Asia, but lately is worsening his level)
6.- SOUTH KOREA (height is a problem)
7.- ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN (I do not discard surprises and this team obtain a better result)
8.- PHILIPPINES

I´M SORRY, PHILIPPINE FRIENDS, BUT YOUR NATIONAL TEAM IS NOT OF THE BEST AND TAULAVA ISN´T GASOL, ALAPAG ISN´T CALDERON AND NEITHER I THINK SEIGLE IS LIKE "THE BOMB" NAVARRO. I WISH COULD BE FILIPINOS COMPETITIVE IN A FUTURE.
Good ranking:rolleyes:

daniab
05-24-2007, 05:51 AM
1.- CHINA (even with Team B is the best national team in Asia)
2.- JAPAN (playing like hosts and Pavlicevic progresses will be important factors to this second place even without Yuta Tabuse and Walter Brown).
3.- SYRIA (black horse of tournament... Crack Madanli)
4.- JORDAN (another black horse... Excellents players like Wright and Daghlas)
5.- LEBANON (traditionally the second best team in Asia, but lately is worsening his level)
6.- SOUTH KOREA (height is a problem)
7.- ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN (I do not discard surprises and this team obtain a better result)
8.- PHILIPPINES

I´M SORRY, PHILIPPINE FRIENDS, BUT YOUR NATIONAL TEAM IS NOT OF THE BEST AND TAULAVA ISN´T GASOL, ALAPAG ISN´T CALDERON AND NEITHER I THINK SEIGLE IS LIKE "THE BOMB" NAVARRO. I WISH COULD BE FILIPINOS COMPETITIVE IN A FUTURE.
I do not agree with u spanish man for many reasons:
1-Of course Chine is the best team in asia but i don't think their B team will be like Team A and u know that Chine A without Yao And Lebanon without Fadi el khatib in Doha 2006 game chine defeat Lebanon by 2 pts,and in last asian championship in Quatar 2005,chine defeat lebanon by difficulty.
2-Second,before to give the rankings of asia team hope lebanon participate .Lebanon now in a war and anything clear about our NT.
3-Also we should wait Waba cup,Seaba cup,Gulf cup,Middle asia cup...to give our first opinion about the asia 2007 rankings.
4-If u want to talk about the rankings Lebanon and quatar is much better than jordan and syria even jordan naturalized Rasheim and syria joined 3 Syrian brazilian players.But i'm not sure about that like i said we should wait waba champ to know.
And japan,in Doha 2006 they didn't qualified to semi final,they lost many games.
Finally,10x for ur Opinion and i respect ur choice.

rocks_24
05-24-2007, 06:47 AM
http://www.nikebasketball.com.ph/pnbt/


sorry guys....but as far as nike is concern...they only sign winners.....


and that IS PHILIPPINES....NOT LEBANON, NOT SYRIA, NOT QATAR......AND ETC....

bognut
05-24-2007, 07:05 AM
http://www.nikebasketball.com.ph/pnbt/


sorry guys....but as far as nike is concern...they only sign winners.....


and that IS PHILIPPINES....NOT LEBANON, NOT SYRIA, NOT QATAR......AND ETC....

:D

great assessment. ;)

Silent Killer
05-24-2007, 08:43 AM
there are plenty of big man in the Phils. Some of those are in amateur leagues. Watch some of them in the future.

FYI Danny Seigle once ranked top 100 prospect in the NBA.

I never seen Gian Chiu play but hopefully he can play here in Phils. I read some stories of him and man he's good. One of the future prospects of RP team.

Silent Killer
05-24-2007, 08:50 AM
You might not see RP team play but watch them play in FIBA asian and the mini tournaments that RP will play. They will train in belgrade next month. You will see the RP style of Basketball.

rensquared
05-24-2007, 09:11 AM
1.- CHINA (even with Team B is the best national team in Asia)
2.- JAPAN (playing like hosts and Pavlicevic progresses will be important factors to this second place even without Yuta Tabuse and Walter Brown).
3.- SYRIA (black horse of tournament... Crack Madanli)
4.- JORDAN (another black horse... Excellents players like Wright and Daghlas)
5.- LEBANON (traditionally the second best team in Asia, but lately is worsening his level)
6.- SOUTH KOREA (height is a problem)
7.- ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN (I do not discard surprises and this team obtain a better result)
8.- PHILIPPINES

I´M SORRY, PHILIPPINE FRIENDS, BUT YOUR NATIONAL TEAM IS NOT OF THE BEST AND TAULAVA ISN´T GASOL, ALAPAG ISN´T CALDERON AND NEITHER I THINK SEIGLE IS LIKE "THE BOMB" NAVARRO. I WISH COULD BE FILIPINOS COMPETITIVE IN A FUTURE.

I like your rankings even if you ranked our country as no.8. We were out of the international stint for two years, so our current team is a bit rusty. But let me remind you that our NT likes to play as the under dog. Most under dos show lots of surprises, so lets just wait and see who wins.

el presidente
05-24-2007, 09:46 AM
Try to understand Spanishman... we indios are acting a little too uppity for his taste, so naturally he has to try to put us down. ;)

Hmmm... your rankings actually make sense, though I wouldn't put Japan so far high in that list... they've never won a game against an all PBA selection (remember that the one win they did get against us in the 1994 Asian Games was against the San Miguel team wearing the national colors) and I predict though they will give us trouble at the start, we'll get our act together in the endgame, even with the homecourt advantage. Kinda like WWII. :D

I'm thinking Qatar and Chinese Taipei will also pull out some surprises at Tokushima-- I'd at least rank them above Iran.

And don't forget Kazakhstan-- they've managed to pull out upsets in the past, even winning Bronze in the 2002 Asiad. They are the greatest country in the world, after all. All other countries are run by little girls. HIGH FIVE! JAGSHEMASH!:D

spanishman
05-24-2007, 09:57 AM
I am grateful for the persons who have respected me. Is my opinion. I have put to lebanon in a low position because there is instability in the country and it has to be obvious in the field.
IN REFERENCE TO THE FILIPINOS' POSITION I WANT TO SAY THAT IT IS BECAUSE THE FILIPINOS ARE NOT SO GOOD AS THEY THINK AND PHILIPINES WHEN PLAY IN SERBIA THEY WILL SEE THEY DO NOT RETURN TO CALL ME IDIOT. THE BASKETBALL IN EUROPE IS ON THE MAXIMUM LEVEL AND FILIPINOS I DON´T KNOW THEY CAN COMPARE WITH THE WORST TEAMS THAT PLAY AT EUROBASKET (POLAND OR CZECH REPUBLIC). A GREETING AND I HOPE THAT THEY PROGRESS, BECAUSE I LIKE PHILIPPINES´ PASSION FOR THE BASKETBALL.

karim
05-24-2007, 10:09 AM
no spaniard u cant say syria 3rd just cuz u saw jalaa.....jalaa is much stronger than syria cuz it has maybe the top 10 of the NT players in addition to julius nwosu and vincent jones who is maybe half the team.......their still missing another guy under the basket where they have only 1 brazilian/center and missing 1 wing where they only have maadanli and this is talking about the starting 5 , which i also dont know how good this center this........until now they have only 1 good player(maadanli) and japan man common we beat them 3 straight times even wen we were a weak team back in 1999 , we were still better than japan.......and abt jordan they never got to the semis(best finish 7th) !! how could u put all these teams above Lebanon who got 2nd twice(2001 and 2005),got to the semis with their team B in 2003 and beat france and venezuala last year......if it is cuz u saw Lebanon during the asian games last year , lebanon lost all their games last year cuz of the absence of players , a coach and no preperation , except their win against syria ;) ....and how is philippines 8th.......it won in friendlies against lebanon and qatar....have u ever watched asian championship man :p and abt the instability in lebanon , last year there was war and leb won 2 games at the WBC , including a win against France so if theres a bad situation in the country , on the contrary our guys will play ever harder so they can give every win they can get to the country and hopefully a top 2 finish and a qualification to the olympics...+ i think lebanon can beat china if u remove yao ming....they almost did it missing el khatib , beshara and ali f by losing just by 2 pts ...china is not that deep they have only like 5 or 6 players in the team A who r good....china B is definitely weaker than leb......

el presidente
05-24-2007, 10:23 AM
To spanishman:

Peace, hermano! No one said that the Philippine Team would actually win in Belgrade. They're just saying that since the games might be televised in Europe, you might get the chance to see how the RP team plays first-hand and be better equipped to make a judgment.

You guys are the World Champs. You have nothing left to prove. Let us poor indios have our fun. :)

spanishman
05-24-2007, 10:27 AM
Karim, I Think You Have Reason With This Post. Lebanon Is A Heavily Team In Asia And Maybe Play Final Game Versus China...
Fadi El Khatib Is An Excellent Scorer, Joe Vogel Is A Good Center With A Lot Of Experience, But Philippines Isn´t Top Five In Asia.

el presidente
05-24-2007, 10:31 AM
Gian wasn't that good when he played for Ateneo. I have a feeling it's because he was being forced to play center even though he's skinny for his size. I'm hoping that he makes the transition to the 3 or 4 position in the States since it's more suited to his body type and he seems more comfortable facing the basket. In 4-5 more years, he could be better than Danny Siegle.

spanishman
05-24-2007, 10:31 AM
Presidente, I´m Very Excited To See Philippines National Team In Europe. I Would Like To See Philippines To Be Able To Judge Level Of Your National Team. When I See A Rp Five Match, Probably I Will Make A New Asia´s Rank.

WIZARD
05-24-2007, 10:41 AM
no spaniard u cant say syria 3rd just cuz u saw jalaa.....jalaa is much stronger than syria cuz it has maybe the top 10 of the NT players in addition to julius nwosu and vincent jones who is maybe half the team.......their still missing another guy under the basket where they have only 1 brazilian/center and missing 1 wing where they only have maadanli and this is talking about the starting 5 , which i also dont know how good this center this........until now they have only 1 good player(maadanli) and japan man common we beat them 3 straight times even wen we were a weak team back in 1999 , we were still better than japan.......and abt jordan they never got to the semis(best finish 7th) !! how could u put all these teams above Lebanon who got 2nd twice(2001 and 2005),got to the semis with their team B in 2003 and beat france and venezuala last year......if it is cuz u saw Lebanon during the asian games last year , lebanon lost all their games last year cuz of the absence of players , a coach and no preperation , except their win against syria ;) ....and how is philippines 8th.......it won in friendlies against lebanon and qatar....have u ever watched asian championship man :p and abt the instability in lebanon , last year there was war and leb won 2 games at the WBC , including a win against France so if theres a bad situation in the country , on the contrary our guys will play ever harder so they can give every win they can get to the country and hopefully a top 2 finish and a qualification to the olympics...+ i think lebanon can beat china if u remove yao ming....they almost did it missing el khatib , beshara and ali f by losing just by 2 pts ...china is not that deep they have only like 5 or 6 players in the team A who r good....china B is definitely weaker than leb......

Well frankly Karim iam not interested about history and achievments of lebanon...Serbia since 2002 coudlnt make anything europe,,world cup,,and olympics games..while they have best players and coaches in europe!! jordan ranked 7th big deal last time they played in asiad they were ranked 4th without Sam daghlas playing and with 2 months of preparation new coach and new playing style..by far lebanon doesnt have a coach no preparation and so sadly
those bad events in the north of lebanon will affect ur NT.
we all saw what happened last time labanon played without traning they got f10th spot..which means there is nothing can be taking for granted.this asian cup wont be like other once...IT will be win or go home!!!

onono1
05-24-2007, 10:48 AM
Presidente, I´m Very Excited To See Philippines National Team In Europe. I Would Like To See Philippines To Be Able To Judge Level Of Your National Team. When I See A Rp Five Match, Probably I Will Make A New Asia´s Rank.

Como estas amigo ;) I won't argue with your asian ranking because that's your opinion hehehehe, but i won't accept having japan as 2nd with being host as your consideration. Japan's crack players are aging :o no offense but its true, while tabuse we dont know if he would suit up. While their present national players are young, raw and not that talented to play for international tournament :rolleyes:

karim
05-24-2007, 11:49 AM
no man , 9th not 10th :)

vladski
05-24-2007, 11:56 AM
Do you have guys any idea how much is Philippines National team budget for this dream to the Olympics???

I was impressed to know that Coach Chot got a total budget for his NT the sum of


PHP70,000,000.00 that is roughly equivalent to ..........US$1.5 MILLION

Anybody please correct me... are my figures correct???

igorotski
05-24-2007, 12:26 PM
i respect that spanish's opinion and fearless forecast. anyways guys, i like us considered as an underdog. dont u? i mean if we lost, i wudnt be a big deal. but if we won..hahha ... big laughs of me. also being considered as weakest contender lessens the pressure of our team.

spreekanick
05-24-2007, 12:39 PM
i respect that spanish's opinion and fearless forecast. anyways guys, i like us considered as an underdog. dont u? i mean if we lost, i wudnt be a big deal. but if we won..hahha ... big laughs of me. also being considered as weakest contender lessens the pressure of our team.

well said.. :)

spreekanick
05-24-2007, 01:05 PM
China National team lost to China Junior National team at 67-74 in Jiang Su last night (May 20) <---- Is it true????

israritah
05-24-2007, 01:26 PM
China, S. Korea, Qatar, Philippines :)

ctongco
05-24-2007, 01:33 PM
Do you have guys any idea how much is Philippines National team budget for this dream to the Olympics???

I was impressed to know that Coach Chot got a total budget for his NT the sum of


PHP70,000,000.00 that is roughly equivalent to ..........US$1.5 MILLION

Anybody please correct me... are my figures correct???


Yup. That's the budget for the RP Team for the Olympic qualifier in Japan this coming July.

SkyWalker
05-24-2007, 01:39 PM
i respect that spanish's opinion and fearless forecast. anyways guys, i like us considered as an underdog. dont u? i mean if we lost, i wudnt be a big deal. but if we won..hahha ... big laughs of me. also being considered as weakest contender lessens the pressure of our team.

i agree..:)

Projectspeed
05-24-2007, 02:34 PM
keep on posting Spaniard:D we need your thoughts friend:D especially in the coming 2008 Olympics wherein probably your team will be matched against Philippine team:D

Sakamoto
05-24-2007, 03:34 PM
I would like to ask fellow forumers, why is it FIBA allowed more than 2 naturalized players per team? My understanding is that only 1 naturalized player per team and why is it Qatar has more than 2 naturalized players? Is this fair?

Sakamoto
05-24-2007, 03:54 PM
3 teams that gets my attention in this edition of the Asian Championships

1. Iran is improving a lot and they have a tall players which i think will give headache to the RPteam. They beat and eliminated S. Korea in the 2005 Asian Championship.
2. S. Korea - after a dismal performance in the 2005 Asian Championships, i think this team i back with a vengeance. The basketball leaders resigned from their position which i think is a good manner. My only doubt in this team is that most of their players are already old.
3. Japan - being the host country is a big factor. Remember the 1994 Hiroshima Asiad when Alvin Patrimonio failed to shoot the important free throws that gave the bronze medal to japan. And also in the 2002 Busan Asiad Korea, in the last 2 minutes of the game where the officiating is on the side of the host team plus in the 1986 Seoul Asiad when Allan Caidic's running jumper in the dying seconds of the game was called an offensive foul that geve the victory to S. Korea. Being the host country really matters.

pachador
05-24-2007, 04:39 PM
The 5'11" tournament for players below 6 foot was held once internationally in Spain:

In 1967 , the Philippines finished 3rd and captured the bronze medal in the first ever Intercontinental Basketball Tournament for players under 5'11" in Barcelona, Spain. The Philippines finished behind the United States and host Spain but beat South American giant, Brazil and European representative, France.

if the Unano dinamita was in that tournament he would have done a reverse 360 slam :D

pachador
05-24-2007, 04:51 PM
El baloncesto es nuestro salvacion ! Gloria a Filipinas ! Arriba Filipinas !
basketball is our salvation ! Hail and glory to the Philippines !

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1821/l0c83fc18469cff48f35e16nd2.jpg

pachador
05-24-2007, 08:40 PM
just to present an alternate view, china might mount an ambush , and change their mind and send the 'A' team instead of the 'B' team. Yao ming was supposed to have an operation and now he changed his mind. i wonder why? its better for other asian countries to expect the worst and for china to actually send their 'A' team:

Yao to Skip Operation, Return to National Team

by Arthur Volbert - May 17, 2007
According to the China Daily, Ming Yao (226-C-80) will return to the Chinese national team in the middle of June to join its summer training camp. The Chinese Basketball Association reports that Yao said in a phone conversation that he has cancelled a scheduled foot operation and instead will return to China next month.
According to the China Daily, Ming Yao (226-C-80) will return to the Chinese national team in the middle of June to join its summer training camp. The Chinese Basketball Association reports that Yao said in a phone conversation that he has cancelled a scheduled foot operation and instead will return to China next month.

It has been around 10 days since the Houston Rockets were eliminated from the NBA playoffs. Ming Yao previously told the media that he would have an operation on his ankle joint after the playoffs, after which he would recuperate for three to four weeks. But later, his agent said the operation wasn't confirmed yet.

pachador
05-24-2007, 09:40 PM
Since the Philippines is planning to bid to host the FIBA-world qualifiers for the olympics next year, I was thinking that this might be a good time for the Philippines to hold a parallel world basketball championships simultaneously with a height limit of 6 feet and below. This will settle once and for all who is the best in asia and the world. China is good only because they have 1.3 billion people to choose their good 7 footers, but how will china do against countries with shorter players? this will be the final ultimate test of basketball wizardry as to who are the best basketball players in the world pound for pound , inch for inch. This will also dramatize the need that there needs to be height divisions in basketball: at least 2 height divisions ---> unlimited height division and either 6 feet and below or 6'5" and below.
if boxing has weight divisions, then basketball can also have height divisions . it is commonsense and logical.

karim
05-24-2007, 10:42 PM
abt qatar naturalizing more than 2 players , we said it more than a million times , they have 12 imports but no1 says anything cuz they change their names and the asia president is qatari himself so no1 can do anything abt it......and abt the spaniard i no his opinion is weird but dont eat the guy...hes just giving his opinion ....peace we r all humans and every1 is entitled to his opinion nomatter how weird it would be :p

CHINA TEAM
05-25-2007, 12:48 AM
China National team lost to China Junior National team at 67-74 in Jiang Su last night (May 20) <---- Is it true????
Yes that is ture

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/p/2007-05-18/U1918P6T12D2929434F44DT20070518205432.jpg

CHINA TEAM
05-25-2007, 01:01 AM
Yeah,Spainsh friend,i agree with your opinion。we still power!~no matter china A team and B team!~:rolleyes:

CHINA TEAM
05-25-2007, 01:07 AM
I do not agree with u spanish man for many reasons:
1-Of course Chine is the best team in asia but i don't think their B team will be like Team A and u know that Chine A without Yao And Lebanon without Fadi el khatib in Doha 2006 game chine defeat Lebanon by 2 pts,and in last asian championship in Quatar 2005,chine defeat lebanon by difficulty.
.

haha,dear,“2pts”?or “difficulty”,that is not important,most important is we beat you again and again without YAO and DU FENG(my pic dunk no15 member),that is enuogh!in my see,final result is everything,beat you with 2pts=with 50pts。In fact,if you can beat us in future,you can say these better:rolleyes:

CHINA TEAM
05-25-2007, 01:29 AM
CHINA B TEAM just beat Melbourne tiger team with 76:66 IN ZHONG SHAN。
Both will battle again in ZHONGSHAN

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/2007-05-22/U1918P6T12D2936907F44DT20070522235928.jpg


CHINA B TEAM

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/p/2007-05-23/U338P6T12D2939183F44DT20070523221836.jpg

rocks_24
05-25-2007, 01:56 AM
Yes that is ture

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/p/2007-05-18/U1918P6T12D2929434F44DT20070518205432.jpg



it only shows that nothing is impossible!!!!!1

CHINA TEAM
05-25-2007, 02:00 AM
Yeah,so we willnot let you be very relaxed in Japan。Go~PR,I hope we‘ll meet final。

PS:Who is your tallest member?how many cm???:confused:

KobeWanKenobi
05-25-2007, 02:11 AM
Gian wasn't that good when he played for Ateneo. I have a feeling it's because he was being forced to play center even though he's skinny for his size. I'm hoping that he makes the transition to the 3 or 4 position in the States since it's more suited to his body type and he seems more comfortable facing the basket. In 4-5 more years, he could be better than Danny Siegle.

When highlights of Chiu were shown on an American channel, he was basically playing the PF/C positions although being the tallest and best big man in his high school he was playing the center position most of the time.

There are still no reports of any NCAA colleges signing him up. If that's the case, he might end up playing in a community college at worst or at best an NCAA Division II or III school. Hopefully he at least joins a Div II school since Div II schools have produced some players before (Devean George).

bognut
05-25-2007, 02:22 AM
CHINA B TEAM just beat Melbourne tiger team with 76:66 IN ZHONG SHAN。
Both will battle again in ZHONGSHAN

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/2007-05-22/U1918P6T12D2936907F44DT20070522235928.jpg


CHINA B TEAM

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/p/2007-05-23/U338P6T12D2939183F44DT20070523221836.jpg

nice. melbourne tigers are the recent champs of australian league right?

China team B is indeed no patsy...

CHINA TEAM
05-25-2007, 02:44 AM
Thanks PR friend。

patsy?Of course not,BTW,China B team beat them again 83:75 in zhongshan

spreekanick
05-25-2007, 02:55 AM
CHINA TEAM...is it true that china team B defeated china team A?

bognut
05-25-2007, 03:36 AM
CHINA TEAM...is it true that china team B defeated china team A?

hehehe :D

answer this please CHINA TEAM... :D

kukoc7
05-25-2007, 03:50 AM
Who are the members of China B? Thank you.

daniab
05-25-2007, 05:09 AM
haha,dear,“2pts”?or “difficulty”,that is not important,most important is we beat you again and again without YAO and DU FENG(my pic dunk no15 member),that is enuogh!in my see,final result is everything,beat you with 2pts=with 50pts。In fact,if you can beat us in future,you can say these better:rolleyes:
Dear Chine TEAM,i don't say that Lebanon and chine is tied in the power or stonger...
Spanishman said that Chine Team B will get the first place,all what i'm trying to say that No Chine B will not take the first place easly and i give him an exemple:
1-In Asian championship 2005,chine beat Lebanon in final game after a big game,and that what he said Yao min after the game.
2-In doha 2006 Chine play without Yao and Du feng also Lebanon play without Fadi el khatib and Brian bchara,U win just by 2 pts.
Chine is very strong ..... but this don't mean that Chine will stay forever the dominated of Asia basketball.

anti_morales
05-25-2007, 05:24 AM
daniab my friend, for the first time I agree with you. China won't forever be dominant in basketball. It will soon be Leeeeleee.... Philippines!:D

Dear Chine TEAM,i don't say that Lebanon and chine is tied in the power or stonger...
Spanishman said that Chine Team B will get the first place,all what i'm trying to say that No Chine B will not take the first place easly and i give him an exemple:
1-In Asian championship 2005,chine beat Lebanon in final game after a big game,and that what he said Yao min after the game.
2-In doha 2006 Chine play without Yao and Du feng also Lebanon play without Fadi el khatib and Brian bchara,U win just by 2 pts.
Chine is very strong ..... but this don't mean that Chine will stay forever the dominated of Asia basketball.

Ronny Gunawan (194-F/C-80) fired 16 points to lead Indonesia past Malaysia 72-66. Malaysian made it a close contest by taking a narrow 63-60 lead late in the final session.

A minute later, the Indonesians stole the ball from the rivals' end and Denny Sumargo fired a three-pointer. After another turnover, Andi Poedjakesuma had a lay-up to put Indonesia firmly on the saddle.

With the clock ticking away, Malaysia's shooting fell apart. Indonesian Rony had a lay-up in the last second to ensure victory.

Indonesia, which bye for today, will next face Asian powerhouse Philippines this coming Saturday. that was from asia-basket.com com guys, from Malaysians

Yep, no one knows you best than your neighbors. They have regognized that the real RP NT is an Asian powerhouse:D

CHINA TEAM
05-25-2007, 07:32 AM
Who are the members of China B? Thank you.

http://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/20061213150966.jpghttp://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/20061213150826.jpghttp://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/200612131459951.jpghttp://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/20061213155279.jpghttp://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/20061213853232.jpghttp://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/2006121381760.jpg
http://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/20061214838185.jpghttp://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/200612131538357.jpghttp://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/200612151543712.jpghttp://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/20071191538739.jpghttp://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/20061213835451.jpghttp://www.cba.gov.cn/cbastats/adm/cbadata/pic/20061214833404.jpg

concrete you can go here。
http://forums.interbasket.net/showthread.php?t=3057



Captain of china B team~PF:WANG BO 2.07m (JI LIN DONG BEI TIGER)
http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/k/p/2005-07-30/U687P6T12D1695356F44DT20050730222250.JPG

C:ZHANG KAI 2.10m (DONG GUAN XIN SHI JI)

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/p/2006-02-05/U1619P6T12D2025623F44DT20060205171313.jpg

PF: DING JIN HUI 2.08m (ZHE JIANG WAN MA)

http://photocdn.sohu.com/20070523/Img250188254.jpg

PF:GU LI YE 2.07m(LIAO NING PANPAN)

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/cba/p/2007-05-20/U397P6T12D2932735F44DT20070520231934.jpg

SF:YI LI 2.04m (JIANG SU DA HUA)

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/s/2006-03-23/4615865f2771867d4e5cb4e39c2b1b39.jpg

WANG LEI 1.96m (SHAN XI ZHONG YU)

http://sports.tom.com/uimg/2006/3/18/lanqiu/DSC_4103_84709.JPG

PG:LIU XIAO YU 1.91m(GUANG DONG HONG YUAN)

http://cimg.163.com/sport/2005/12/21/200512211110468e8eb.jpg

CHINA TEAM
05-25-2007, 07:45 AM
CHINA TEAM...is it true that china team B defeated china team A?
Haha,yes,Today China B team will PK China A team in 3rd battle。

Fil-Aus Boy
05-25-2007, 11:33 AM
nice. melbourne tigers are the recent champs of australian league right?

China team B is indeed no patsy...


Sorry bro... Melbourne Tigers were defeated by Brisbane Bullets 3-1... Ironically, Brisbane Bullets centre Mark Bradke played his entire career with the Tigers under Lindsey Gaze till he moved up to Queensland..


The black dude on that pix is Darryl MacDonald is naturalized australian... Gee didn't realize he will still be on tour, the guy is nearly 43 and still going!


I wonder if Chris Anstey was on the lineup... and DT (Dave Thomas)... That team is good... but the american coach cant find a way to win in close games.... Oooops, just my own personal opinion... as I saw them play in person...

karim
05-25-2007, 12:01 PM
khatib,beshara and ali mahmood will not play for Leb NT in asian championship.........if they go into the 2nd round it would be an achievement for them.................

anti_morales
05-25-2007, 12:33 PM
Too bad, do you know the reason why? Ye I know khatib and beshara, can you share some info about mahmood?
khatib,beshara and ali mahmood will not play for Leb NT in asian championship.........if they go into the 2nd round it would be an achievement for them.................

karim
05-25-2007, 01:20 PM
khatib said its cuz its not safe to leave his wife and little boy in leb. during critical times like this(there has been some bombs everywhere the last week ! ),even though FLBB are trying to force him to play....kind of like how China forced Yao Ming to play in the 2005 asian championship........ali mahmoud is getting married this summer.......and abt brian beshara he hasent seen or trained with his teammates in almost a year and he wasnt even with them at the asian games in doha2006 as he is playing right now in europe i think i heard.......so i dont no the chances of him coming to play....he was gonna come when the whole NT was full and the coach was abou shacra but now everything is changing and i really dont no how willing brian beshara is to come and play with us , especially that our chances of making the olympics r very slim even if he does come......Leb. could end up sending a B team kind of like wat they did in 2003......where he had only vogel and fahd from the A team........

zouz
05-25-2007, 01:52 PM
khatib said its cuz its not safe to leave his wife and little boy in leb. during critical times like this(there has been some bombs everywhere the last week ! ),even though FLBB are trying to force him to play....kind of like how China forced Yao Ming to play in the 2005 asian championship........ali mahmoud is getting married this summer.......and abt brian beshara he hasent seen or trained with his teammates in almost a year and he wasnt even with them at the asian games in doha2006 as he is playing right now in europe i think i heard.......so i dont no the chances of him coming to play....he was gonna come when the whole NT was full and the coach was abou shacra but now everything is changing and i really dont no how willing brian beshara is to come and play with us , especially that our chances of making the olympics r very slim even if he does come......Leb. could end up sending a B team kind of like wat they did in 2003......where he had only vogel and fahd from the A team........

are u sure????
where did hear this????
i believe fadi will play because from now till the asian championship everything will be settled + the fact that fadi took his wife when they played in wc in japan

WIZARD
05-25-2007, 03:00 PM
eh man buss 3am ya3mel 7ejaj la2anno 3eref enno la7 nokhsar.....
Very sad news really.....i hoped to see LEb NT with its full players to have great asian games....anyway if its about his wife he can rent an apartment
in Amman at least for 1 month so he can be sure she is safe..anyway i understand him he has a reason!!! not like sam daghlas who left the Jordan NT for no reason!!

karim
05-25-2007, 04:36 PM
no man khatib is making an excuse cuz he doesnt think leb can win without beshara and ali mahmoud and leb NT have no coach and have not yet begun to prepare...........in WBC last year the country was under war and he went to Japan.....here the bombings are much less dangerous and happening maybe twice a week , not everyday like during the WBC and no1 is dying , a few r being injured and thats abt it....so i think these r all excuses from khatib........

daniab
05-25-2007, 04:41 PM
Very sad news really.....i hoped to see LEb NT with its full players to have great asian games....anyway if its about his wife he can rent an apartment
in Amman at least for 1 month so he can be sure she is safe..anyway i understand him he has a reason!!! not like sam daghlas who left the Jordan NT for no reason!!
Daghlas will not play with Jordan NT ??? :confused:

WIZARD
05-25-2007, 04:46 PM
no man khatib is making an excuse cuz he doesnt think leb can win without beshara and ali mahmoud and leb NT have no coach and have not yet begun to prepare...........in WBC last year the country was under war and he went to Japan.....here the bombings are much less dangerous and happening maybe twice a week , not everyday like during the WBC and no1 is dying , a few r being injured and thats abt it....so i think these r all excuses from khatib........

I dont know you know the situation better than i do,,but what kind of basketball player leaves his NT for being scared not to qualify to olympic games!!! its not his problem whether they qualify or not he has to give 110%
to his team with the support of his teammates thats his job!!!! its the coachs job to prepare the NT and to make tactics fadi is a player not the FLBB presedent if any 1 should be blamed it should be tannous!

WIZARD
05-25-2007, 04:50 PM
Daghlas will not play with Jordan NT ??? :confused:

Well i guess he wont.he said once before he will be ready to join the NT 3 weeks before japan but we dont believe him...this guy would sell his family for 1000 dollars so it wont be big deal to him to abandon us.....he is in the US
right now playing with some profi team dont know whats it called!

keru2001
05-25-2007, 05:44 PM
it only shows that nothing is impossible!!!!!1


China team A without yaoming yijianlian wangzhizhi tangzhendong dufeng
zhufanyu liuwei 。these guys are really china nt player。

kukoc7
05-25-2007, 05:51 PM
RP at #8/9, currently. See article below:


RP 5 only 60 percent of where it should be
By Joaquin Henson
Saturday, May 26, 2007

PBA commissioner Noli Eala said the other day the San Miguel Beer-Philippine team’s baptism of fire in the recent FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Tehran was a wake-up call and a reminder that a lot of work remains to be done before transforming the national squad into a serious contender for an Olympic ticket.

Eala, who left yesterday morning with San Miguel Corp. assistant vice president Robert Non to join the Philippine team for the SEABA Championships in Rachaburi, rattled off a long laundry list of things to do in preparing for the Olympic qualifiers in Tokushima on July 28-Aug. 5.

At the moment, Eala said the Philippines is only 60 percent in terms of level of play to be competitive for a finals slot in the Tokushima joust.

“The good thing about playing in Tehran is now, we know where we are relative to the competition we expect from the Middle East countries and Kazakhstan in Tokushima,” said Eala. “Unfortunately, I think we’re about No. 8 in the standings behind China, Qatar, Korea, Chinese-Taipei, Iran, Syria and Kazakhstan, not necessarily in that order. And we can’t discount Lebanon. We’ve got two months to shape up.”

Eala said while the job seems daunting, it’s not a mission impossible. “I’m confident we can still get it done but it won’t be easy,” he added. “After the SEABA Championships, (coach) Chot (Reyes) will probably review the composition of the team.If there are any changes, they’ll be made before the team leaves for Belgrade to play five Serbian professional teams from June 12-20.”

Recent Manila visitor and FIBA referee Alan Richardson arranged the Belgrade series which will toughen the nationals even more for Tokushima.

Eala said an invitation to play in the Jones Cup in Taipei on July 2-9 is being considered as Korea and Japan are reportedly sending their national teams to compete. If the invitation is accepted, the Philippines will back out of a Qatar pocket tournament starting June 25 with Gulf State countries.

“We’ve gotten a taste of how the Middle East countries play in Tehran so it may be redundant to play in Qatar although we’re keeping the door open,” said Eala. “Chot is anxious to scout Korea and Japan. We’d like to play their national teams and the opportunity is in the Jones Cup.”

Eala said the PBA is close to finalizing a pocket tournament involving Iran, Syria and China’s team B in Manila on July 12-15. The Chinese first team, starring Yao Ming, will not compete in Tokushima and is booked to play in the Stankovic Cup in Beijing on July 28-Aug. 2 instead. China’s team B will represent the defending FIBA-Asia champion in Tokushima.

Additionally, the Philippines will play a series of games with Lebanon whose national team will set up a 10-day training camp here in July.

Eala said the quality of competition in Tehran was an eye-opener and could trigger a shake-up in the team roster. He mentioned the possibility of tapping James Yap, Yancy de Ocampo, Willie Miller, Kelly Williams, Jay Washington and Nic Belasco to beef up the pool.

“Against Syria, we were clobbered by their Brazilians,” said Eala. “Andre Barbosa, who’s a 6-8 point guard, was unstoppable. In the semifinals, he shot three triples in the first four plays and we hardly challenged him on the switch from a pick. He passes like Magic Johnson and dominates the game. Qatar’s Yaseem Ismael posted up our guys, teasing and mocking them as he did what he wanted. Our middle was always open because we weren’t quick enough to recover. On offense, we need our big men to develop a medium-range game. We need to be fitter, quicker to the ball and more daring than our opponents because we’re smaller.”

Eala said the importance of being in tip-top shape is exemplified in the way Manny Pacquiao trains like a Spartan for a fight. He hinted at tapping the services of a nutritionist after watching some of the players gorge on French fries and hamburgers and gulp down soft drinks without realizing the impact on their bodies during a game.

anti_morales
05-25-2007, 06:12 PM
????? Their names all sound just the same.:D Joke

China team A without yaoming yijianlian wangzhizhi tangzhendong dufeng
zhufanyu liuwei 。these guys are really china nt player。

anti_morales
05-25-2007, 06:43 PM
I would not force him to play if he does not want to. That is because you loose the essence of the sport. In Philippine NT there was this player who said he does not want to be injured in NT games because he might get serious injury and it might affect his livelihood w/c is professional basketball. So coach coach reyes did not pick him anymore. Anyone knows who that player is? just curious.:)

Well i guess he wont.he said once before he will be ready to join the NT 3 weeks before japan but we dont believe him...this guy would sell his family for 1000 dollars so it wont be big deal to him to abandon us.....he is in the US
right now playing with some profi team dont know whats it called!

daniab
05-25-2007, 08:31 PM
shou sar minchen el new tv program??
2emtan lah yerja3ou yhetou
minchen fadi el khatib ya zalameh lyom ken el jeich tahet bayti w wallah ma fi minon w tripoli 3aycheh ma ka2enou fi chi
walla 3eb hek 3ezer
kamen 3ali ma la2a yetzawaj 2illa halla2 w wa2ta sar 3am yel3ab mnih w mnehtejou aktar el chi halla2
haram hal balad walla kel drabeh mnekela 2a2wa miel el tenyeh

The program on new tv is postponed for next week ( thursday on 10 pm).
And about El khatib i don't know but in case i understand him every day a bomb ,he scared about his wife but that don't mean to leave his country .
Anyway this is not surely we should wait, hope this news is just for talkin .

WIZARD
05-25-2007, 08:37 PM
shou sar minchen el new tv program??
2emtan lah yerja3ou yhetou
minchen fadi el khatib ya zalameh lyom ken el jeich tahet bayti w wallah ma fi minon w tripoli 3aycheh ma ka2enou fi chi
walla 3eb hek 3ezer
kamen 3ali ma la2a yetzawaj 2illa halla2 w wa2ta sar 3am yel3ab mnih w mnehtejou aktar el chi halla2
haram hal balad walla kel drabeh mnekela 2a2wa miel el tenyeh

maybe there r some other reasons for Fadi?! who knows??...but iam saying again if he is scared about his wife and child he can bring them to jordan for few weeks, aint big deal!!!but frankly i dont blame Fadi i do blame tannus for his bad leadership of the FLBB this guy have no idea about BBall and to this moment for some personal reasons he wanna distroy the Game in lebanon
he should call gashan sarkis to take charge and to put all their problems at side cuz there is no time for childish games...i really cant get it FLBB is ranked as A federation and till now there is no coach!!! again i say even if fadi doesnt want to play the teamwork and playing with a good system can fix this problem..i mean what if fadi got injured..i think its a big mistake to depend on 1 player to make a dream come true!!! in the last WC..the best scorer of the greek team averaged like 11 pts only which means its not about scoring only..

pachador
05-25-2007, 08:45 PM
the problems you are having with lebanese basketball reminds me of the problems we had with philippine basketball, our leaders quarelling, bad leaders ,players refusing to play. this happened in the philippines since the 1970s and its only this year that the basketball leadership became united in the philippines. Good luck to lebanon.



no man khatib is making an excuse cuz he doesnt think leb can win without beshara and ali mahmoud and leb NT have no coach and have not yet begun to prepare...........in WBC last year the country was under war and he went to Japan.....here the bombings are much less dangerous and happening maybe twice a week , not everyday like during the WBC and no1 is dying , a few r being injured and thats abt it....so i think these r all excuses from khatib........

karim
05-25-2007, 09:22 PM
Sarkis should take charge..he is a dirty man but he is also a genius...remember he took Lebanon team B all the way to the semis in 2003 and lost to south korea by 1pt.......and he also won riyadi with champville last year.....and we,re desperate right now :p..........

TechSupport
05-25-2007, 11:56 PM
I would not force him to play if he does not want to. That is because you loose the essence of the sport. In Philippine NT there was this player who said he does not want to be injured in NT games because he might get serious injury and it might affect his livelihood w/c is professional basketball. So coach coach reyes did not pick him anymore. Anyone knows who that player is? just curious.:)

Danny I. and The Spark. Im not sure though.:o

SkyWalker
05-26-2007, 03:09 AM
Sarkis should take charge..he is a dirty man but he is also a genius...remember he took Lebanon team B all the way to the semis in 2003 and lost to south korea by 1pt.......and he also won riyadi with champville last year.....and we,re desperate right now :p..........

Karim, Lebanon will hold their 10-day training camp here in the Phils. And damn man, Ill be the no.1 Filipino-Lebanese fan in the country. I'll welcome them with both hands + pics + videos + autographs from Fadi! :p :) im so excited.. hehe.

SkyWalker
05-26-2007, 04:25 AM
Eala said the importance of being in tip-top shape is exemplified in the way Manny Pacquiao trains like a Spartan for a fight. He hinted at tapping the services of a nutritionist after watching some of the players gorge on French fries and hamburgers and gulp down soft drinks without realizing the impact on their bodies during a game.


i agree with mr.eala. a lot of top NBA, NCAA, EURO teams have their own nutrionist and dietician. i agree with him 100%!:)

Grr_tiger
05-26-2007, 05:02 AM
Sarkis should take charge..he is a dirty man but he is also a genius...remember he took Lebanon team B all the way to the semis in 2003 and lost to south korea by 1pt.......and he also won riyadi with champville last year.....and we,re desperate right now :p..........


looking forward to seeing your Lebanese NT here in the Philippines again. as SkyWalker has mentioned, the PBA commissioner said they will set up a 10-day training camp here in July. :)


by the way, there will be a pocket tournament in Manila involving the national teams from Iran, Syria and China on July 12-15.

daniab
05-26-2007, 05:52 AM
looking forward to seeing your Lebanese NT here in the Philippines again. as SkyWalker has mentioned, the PBA commissioner said they will set up a 10-day training camp here in July. :)


by the way, there will be a pocket tournament in Manila involving the national teams from Iran, Syria and China on July 12-15.
oh lebanon will not participate in Manila tournament ??

Grr_tiger
05-26-2007, 07:45 AM
oh lebanon will not participate in Manila tournament ??


i don't think so.

but don't worry, while they're here they will have exhibition games against our NT and probably some PBA teams.

vladski
05-26-2007, 07:52 AM
Danny I. and The Spark. Im not sure though.:o

It was MArlou Aquino.. that coward!!!

real75
05-26-2007, 08:46 AM
Problem would be will the players allow themselves to undergo such process... Telling them what to eat and not to eat

anti_morales
05-26-2007, 10:10 AM
Yes in any army generals keep the soldiers' morale high by giving them lots of delicious food. But perhaps if the mother clubs (which are the ones paying the players) would cooperate and give the orders to the NT players, that might just work.
Problem would be will the players allow themselves to undergo such process... Telling them what to eat and not to eat

daniab
05-26-2007, 11:40 AM
Very sad news really.....i hoped to see LEb NT with its full players to have great asian games....anyway if its about his wife he can rent an apartment
in Amman at least for 1 month so he can be sure she is safe..anyway i understand him he has a reason!!! not like sam daghlas who left the Jordan NT for no reason!!
Daghlas in Ammam on July

sSam Daghlas



May 26, 2007
Fastlink and Jordan NT's star Sam Daghlas (197-G-79, agency: Rhonda Price, college: Midwestern St.) confirmed to Asia-Basket that he will arrive to Amman on 12th of July coming from the US to join the NT's trainings.
Fastlink and Jordan NT's star Sam Daghlas (197-G-79, agency: Rhonda Price, college: Midwestern St.) confirmed to Asia-Basket that he will arrive to Amman on 12th of July coming from the US to join the NT's trainings.

Daghlas is asking for the NT players to work hard to achieve the main goal which is givinng a bright image for the developing jordanian basketball in the upcoming tournaments and to try the best to have a direct or indirect seat to Beijeng Olympics 2008 in next 24th FIBA Asia Men Championship on july.

Source:www.asia-basket.com

WIZARD
05-26-2007, 12:16 PM
Daghlas in Ammam on July

sSam Daghlas



May 26, 2007
Fastlink and Jordan NT's star Sam Daghlas (197-G-79, agency: Rhonda Price, college: Midwestern St.) confirmed to Asia-Basket that he will arrive to Amman on 12th of July coming from the US to join the NT's trainings.
Fastlink and Jordan NT's star Sam Daghlas (197-G-79, agency: Rhonda Price, college: Midwestern St.) confirmed to Asia-Basket that he will arrive to Amman on 12th of July coming from the US to join the NT's trainings.

Daghlas is asking for the NT players to work hard to achieve the main goal which is givinng a bright image for the developing jordanian basketball in the upcoming tournaments and to try the best to have a direct or indirect seat to Beijeng Olympics 2008 in next 24th FIBA Asia Men Championship on july.

Source:www.asia-basket.com

Thx man very good news indeed Sam alone is like 30% of the NT..if he makes it i think we have a big chance

anti_morales
05-26-2007, 12:25 PM
Too bad. He did a very good job in stopping chinese centers in 1998. I even remember his blocks against wang zhizhi:)
It was MArlou Aquino.. that coward!!!

vladski
05-26-2007, 01:09 PM
Too bad. He did a very good job in stopping chinese centers in 1998. I even remember his blocks against wang zhizhi:)


but he will be like a useless bamboo standing in front of yao if ever u he'd be joining the rp team... plus i dont like him since i've heard that comment from him... it's good that he's out of the NT.... we don't need such cowards... i do understand his concerns but no need to air such cowardness. He could have kept it to himself...

karim
05-26-2007, 05:04 PM
Thx man very good news indeed Sam alone is like 30% of the NT..if he makes it i think we have a big chance

good chance in wat ? making the olympics ?

WIZARD
05-26-2007, 05:20 PM
good chance in wat ? making the olympics ?

Yes...why u sound surprised??? arnt we good enough to make it?

karim
05-26-2007, 07:25 PM
hehe....it started with leb. and qatar wanting to qualify.....than philippines lifted the suspension so that it would go.......than japan and south korea are getting their best players to try to qualify......and than theres iran and syria who r the black horses of the tournament as every1 calls them.....after all the problems in leb. i agree that our chances r pretty slim to qualify......but i still think all these teams are better than jordan.....i think jordan are maybe 7th or 8th in asia , no affense man , the asian games which is more like a friendly tournament for teams like leb.,china and south korea and jordan got 4th position which is probably the best they would get........i dont see a team who is 8th in asia winning the asian championship :confused: yalla the next step is a guy from malaysia writing that his team wants to qualify to the olympics :p .......no hard feelings man its just my opinion i hope it doesnt start a fight or anything now but u really shocked me with wat u said :eek:

WIZARD
05-26-2007, 08:07 PM
hehe....it started with leb. and qatar wanting to qualify.....than philippines lifted the suspension so that it would go.......than japan and south korea are getting their best players to try to qualify......and than theres iran and syria who r the black horses of the tournament as every1 calls them.....after all the problems in leb. i agree that our chances r pretty slim to qualify......but i still think all these teams are better than jordan.....i think jordan are maybe 7th or 8th in asia , no affense man , the asian games which is more like a friendly tournament for teams like leb.,china and south korea and jordan got 4th position which is probably the best they would get........i dont see a team who is 8th in asia winning the asian championship :confused: yalla the next step is a guy from malaysia writing that his team wants to qualify to the olympics :p .......no hard feelings man its just my opinion i hope it doesnt start a fight or anything now but u really shocked me with wat u said :eek:

Well i dont know where to start from?? anyway there is alwys first time so it maybe our best chance to make a good thing now do u really think syria is better than us?we have played syria like 8 times last 2 years we wont all of those games about korea and japan we did beat korea last time while they played with their first team iran we beated them also and lost by 5 pts cuz we had few problems that game a death accedent..now ur talking about jordan being 7th in asian game!! well do u know that we played then with young team with out our key players only al khas and sam daghlas played
enver and ayman were injured ,,,my friend i told u i dont care about history
as i told u in basketball there is no dominant country something else how u know its a friendly tournement i mean asian games?? so your games against canada and venezuela wont count either!!! maybe those games arnt ranked with fiba but it was sure damn better than asian cup 2005 ..i think u were saying that cuz Lebanon didnt make anything there!!! anyway WABA is in few weeks and we will see the real level

WIZARD
05-26-2007, 08:21 PM
BTW just heard that Vogel and Omar turk arnt playing either!!!!!how accurate
is this?

zouz
05-26-2007, 09:12 PM
man i wanna say something that all the team have a chance to qualify but don't count lebanon.
i believe that after a year from now we will be back 2 times stronger,now we are going through a difficult moment where our president won't sign the paper of nationalisation because he sees that the governement is illegal
so u can see that we can't bring our strong players abroad
but i can assure all the guys here that we will be back next year sronger than anyone in asia(even china) because by then we will have minimum 4 to 5 players playing abroad of lebanese origine + the fact that we may change vogel and get another one who is stronger(that what fouad abu chakra said)
the olympics qualification this year are far to achieve but we have the best national team for youngesters(maybe 90-91)so maybe we have a chance in 2012(by then i hope the conflict in lebanon will be finished)
so if a team beats lebanon this year don't think ur better because we will be back next year stronger than anytime before

zouz
05-26-2007, 09:17 PM
and by the way karim now jordan is stronger than lebanon and they can win by 10 to 15 points because jordan is under a heavy training camp while some of our players are affraid and some are getting married
karim, we are weak now, we can't do anything in asia,i think we will achieve a rank between 6 and 9 no more than that
lok man ma 3enna coach la halla2,baladna gher2an bi machekel ma lah yetla3 minnou

zouz
05-26-2007, 09:33 PM
by the way rashim wright who is playing with jordan is a very kind person.We in tripoli love him and we hope he comes back to almuttahed so if lebanon won't qualify i will chear for jordan(+ the fact that my brother wife is jordananian)
Jordan is stronger than philippine and syria and i believe they have a good chance of qualifying
i jusy hope that a miracle happens to lebanon and everything is fixed

WIZARD
05-26-2007, 10:05 PM
by the way rashim wright who is playing with jordan is a very kind person.We in tripoli love him and we hope he comes back to almuttahed so if lebanon won't qualify i will chear for jordan(+ the fact that my brother wife is jordananian)
Jordan is stronger than philippine and syria and i believe they have a good chance of qualifying
i jusy hope that a miracle happens to lebanon and everything is fixed

ya bro u should cheer for us...i cheered badly here in serbia in cofe shops during france lebanon game serbs thought iam crazy heheh even serbs did cheer for them specially that france beated serbia 2 years ago and knocked them out btw omar turks fiancée is jordanian and zaid alkhas wife is x-riady player ghinwa kabbani i think!

karim
05-26-2007, 10:32 PM
well wizard ur right canada and venezuala were friendly games......but the wins against venezuala and france at WBC werent.......anyway it doesnt look like lebanon is going this year to win...i guess just to train their young players....so jordan is definitely better......but i still dont think they can beat qatar,philippines and maybe south korea......anyway i,ll be cheering 4 u guys to make it if lebanon stays in all these problems and decide not to send their best team cuz ur an arab country , unlike qatar(imports) and some connections (turks wife and al khas,s wife)...+ u were nice to us last year at the war where leb. practiced for the WBC in ur country.....yalla goodluck........

SkyWalker
05-27-2007, 05:29 AM
ya bro u should cheer for us...i cheered badly here in serbia in cofe shops during france lebanon game serbs thought iam crazy heheh even serbs did cheer for them specially that france beated serbia 2 years ago and knocked them out btw omar turks fiancée is jordanian and zaid alkhas wife is x-riady player ghinwa kabbani i think!

Jordan's strenght, Rasheim Wright. he can score 30

Jordan's weakness, Rasheim Wright. limit him into 5 pts. jordan is dead.

Jordan is already scouted by the Phils. bro.

get ready. :D

daniab
05-27-2007, 09:18 AM
Well,all of u talk about jordan and lebanon.
Lebanon now in difficult days,we don't know if our NT will participate or not.
And about Jordan,they play nice specially after the joined of Rasheim but still so far as Quatar,Lebanon,S.korea....
In last games between lebanon vs Jordan we won all of them.In first round in asian championship 2005 we won by 12 pts and in King Adballah tournament we won also by 12 pts.
Anyway Good luck for jordan,last time i watched Jordan in Doha game 2006 against Kazakhstan when they play overtime.I think now,jordan is different 100 % than jordan before,but i know that the jordanian federation have a lot of problems with the jordanian clubs specially Fastlink.

onono1
05-27-2007, 09:46 AM
I would not force him to play if he does not want to. That is because you loose the essence of the sport. In Philippine NT there was this player who said he does not want to be injured in NT games because he might get serious injury and it might affect his livelihood w/c is professional basketball. So coach coach reyes did not pick him anymore. Anyone knows who that player is? just curious.


Danny I. and The Spark. Im not sure though

If im not wrong, i think u were referring to Marlou Aquino who does not want to join the national team in fear he might get injured and lose his multi-million pesos paycheck.

zouz
05-27-2007, 09:48 AM
whether they have problems with their clubs or not this is a small problem because all the teams are backing jordan NT
i really hope that jordan qualifies to the olympics because they have a big chance and they are better than philippine,syria and qatar.Right now qatar is not playing good,man they lost against the u.a.e in the gcc

WIZARD
05-27-2007, 10:40 AM
Jordan's strenght, Rasheim Wright. he can score 30

Jordan's weakness, Rasheim Wright. limit him into 5 pts. jordan is dead.

Jordan is already scouted by the Phils. bro.

get ready. :D

Yo bro cant wait anymore this asian games i hope PR and JORDAN play in the same group...so we will see your scouting BTW rashiem cant be stopped
worst game he had in lebanon was 17 pts!!

WIZARD
05-27-2007, 10:43 AM
Well,all of u talk about jordan and lebanon.
Lebanon now in difficult days,we don't know if our NT will participate or not.
And about Jordan,they play nice specially after the joined of Rasheim but still so far as Quatar,Lebanon,S.korea....
In last games between lebanon vs Jordan we won all of them.In first round in asian championship 2005 we won by 12 pts and in King Adballah tournament we won also by 12 pts.
Anyway Good luck for jordan,last time i watched Jordan in Doha game 2006 against Kazakhstan when they play overtime.I think now,jordan is different 100 % than jordan before,but i know that the jordanian federation have a lot of problems with the jordanian clubs specially Fastlink.

I still remember those games when we lost ...but anyway back then we were missing alot of players Sam daghlas,,Enver,,ayman deis,,and some other werent playing most of players were young once like

ctongco
05-27-2007, 10:45 AM
Well,all of u talk about jordan and lebanon.
Lebanon now in difficult days,we don't know if our NT will participate or not.
And about Jordan,they play nice specially after the joined of Rasheim but still so far as Quatar,Lebanon,S.korea....
In last games between lebanon vs Jordan we won all of them.In first round in asian championship 2005 we won by 12 pts and in King Adballah tournament we won also by 12 pts.
Anyway Good luck for jordan,last time i watched Jordan in Doha game 2006 against Kazakhstan when they play overtime.I think now,jordan is different 100 % than jordan before,but i know that the jordanian federation have a lot of problems with the jordanian clubs specially Fastlink.


Sad news. Perhaps they could have arrangements to have your country represented.

SkyWalker
05-27-2007, 11:02 AM
Yo bro cant wait anymore this asian games i hope PR and JORDAN play in the same group...so we will see your scouting BTW rashiem cant be stopped
worst game he had in lebanon was 17 pts!!

thanx to rasheim wright, now jordan has the guts to mock teams like RP, lebanon. :) after he was naturalized, RP team immediately had this player scouted. no wonder, we had so many defensive player in our lineup. nice one chot. :D :)

daniab
05-27-2007, 12:15 PM
I still remember those games when we lost ...but anyway back then we were missing alot of players Sam daghlas,,Enver,,ayman deis,,and some other werent playing most of players were young once like
In asian championship sam doughlas and ayman and enver was playing with jordan NT.
But in Waba champ ayman and enver didn't play .

WIZARD
05-27-2007, 01:02 PM
In asian championship sam doughlas and ayman and enver was playing with jordan NT.
But in Waba champ ayman and enver didn't play .

No man they didnt i still remember for sure in King abdullah cup none of those players played in asian Cup only sam daghlas joined the team along side with al khas and nasser bassam the others were all young and was their first time
to play for Men team ,,they played for the youth team 20year ,,ayman had disk surgery also enver had a surgery in his shoulder..in waba games ayman played but both enver and daghlas didnt we got 3rd spot then

spreekanick
05-27-2007, 02:26 PM
who has the worst uniforms (jersyes) in ASIA..i admit Philipines right now has a bad uniform in SEABA..doesn't look good..

VII
05-28-2007, 04:32 AM
hhhmm its really interesting to see that there are a lot of guys here take south korea lightly..
i know reputation doesnt count but i still think japan is all the way down in your ranking even if they are the host country..

heres my 2 cents..

China B - although they are fielding a development team (if its true) i still think they are one of the strongest in this field...especially after hearing they beat a melbourne tigers team (aus)...

japan - is field a 36 yr old point guard. im sorry it but dont they have any up and coming that can take the helm?

Sth Korea - i respect this team due to what they have achieve....the only asian country to beat a full line up china...
although ill contradict myself coz that was ages ago and reputation counts for nothing now...
their strong points?? basic shooting skills....they can shoot the lights out of you if your not careful...(the image of hur jae still haunts me)

Lebanon - i gotta admit im scared of this team..why? coz of the uncertainty that their players are in...internal conflict can take away from their preparation for the tournament..but setting that aside i think lebanon is one if not the strongest team here..

Philippines - ive seen the players in their respective mother clubs. and i admit there are alot of impressive players in the pba compared to when i was still in the country..like 10 yrs ago...most notibly cagioa and siegle..(sorry for mis spell)...
and some of the bench players who at the moment i didnt see any sign of doing any damage come asian championship. maybe theyre being wrap in cotton wool for the real thing for fear of scouts? but overall i like the chances of the philippines...(not coz im a filipino but from what ive seen) a wing man that can shoot...a bench who i think is wrap in cotton wool that can come out and provide and also coach reyes has specifically arrange this team with outside shooting in mind. (looking out for china obviously) but thats just me...

anyway im not going to make any comment about syria, iran and other mid east country coz im completely ignorant of whats happening with them at the moment so ill leave it to the ones who knows what theyre talking about...

so please feel free to disagree or agree with me...and please no annoying comments like we are the champions or your d1ck is bigger than mine comment...lets make this civil...

SkyWalker
05-28-2007, 04:52 AM
this one is interesting:

for JORDAN:

their primary strenght lies on the game of Rasheim Wright. This player scores a lot, as an american import, he still has the NBA mentality of one-on-one play. now, their weakness, eliminate this guy, and you would see Jordan struggling on the offensive side. I saw jordan, and of their main problem, is that no one else except Wright and DAghlas can dribble-penetrate. If teams like RP, Korea, China, play one-on-one, it will be a problem for them.

for CHINA:

height is their main strength. they play more like a european team now, with more passing games and of course, more players in china now has the heft to keep up against bigmen of opposing team. but height will backfire on them. you see, if you have tall guards, you tend to dribble high, and dribbling high is prone to turnovers. ball-handling is china's main problem, since china focuses more on the program of its bigmen. chot reyes, already had his special game plan against china, so to my filipino compatriot, lets be optimistic. there is always a hope.

for JAPAN:

i dont see any strength, only that were playing ABC in japan. For me, play them physical, and they'll give up a lot of points inside. mic and asi will do the damage on the rebounds. so see a lot of post-up games against japan.

for kazakhstan:

strength lies on their european style of game. were yet to see their full-strength national team. weakness shown on speed.

for Lebanon:

everyone in this forum already knows lebanon's strength and weakness.

for South Korea:

they're fielding in a new team. shooting and ball-moverment is still their main strength. player movement without the ball should also be a concern, since a lot of korean shooters love using back-picks and down-screens to eliminate single defender. but still, their weakness is man-to-man defense, coz korean players arent that good on man-to-man plays. so, if you isolate a SK player, he's tendency is to pass the ball. so its pressumed, if we play SK, guard the passing lane, if we play man-to-man D.

to be continued....:D

onono1
05-28-2007, 04:55 AM
this one is interesting:

for JORDAN:

their primary strenght lies on the game of Rasheim Wright. This player scores a lot, as an american import, he still has the NBA mentality of one-on-one play. now, their weakness, eliminate this guy, and you would see Jordan struggling on the offensive side. I saw jordan, and of their main problem, is that no one else except Wright and DAghlas can dribble-penetrate. If teams like RP, Korea, China, play one-on-one, it will be a problem for them.

for CHINA:

height is their main strength. they play more like a european team now, with more passing games and of course, more players in china now has the heft to keep up against bigmen of opposing team. but height will backfire on them. you see, if you have tall guards, you tend to dribble high, and dribbling high is prone to turnovers. ball-handling is china's main problem, since china focuses more on the program of its bigmen. chot reyes, already had his special game plan against china, so to my filipino compatriot, lets be optimistic. there is always a hope.

for JAPAN:

i dont see any strength, only that were playing ABC in japan. For me, play them physical, and they'll give up a lot of points inside. mic and asi will do the damage on the rebounds. so see a lot of post-up games against japan.

for kazakhstan:

strength lies on their european style of game. were yet to see their full-strength national team. weakness shown on speed.

for Lebanon:

everyone in this forum already knows lebanon's strength and weakness.

for South Korea:

they're fielding in a new team. shooting and ball-moverment is still their main strength. player movement without the ball should also be a concern, since a lot of korean shooters love using back-picks and down-screens to eliminate single defender. but still, their weakness is man-to-man defense, coz korean players arent that good on man-to-man plays. so, if you isolate a SK player, he's tendency is to pass the ball. so its pressumed, if we play SK, guard the passing lane, if we play man-to-man D.

to be continued....:D

This is the epitome and wisdom of the Master Jedi..Lord Skywalker aka Darth Vader :p peace bro im no longer a war monger... :D

SkyWalker
05-28-2007, 05:04 AM
This is the epitome and wisdom of the Master Jedi..Lord Skywalker aka Darth Vader :p peace bro im no longer a war monger... :D

no man we're cool. its just a discussion, so no intention of hurting someone. :)

P.S.

hey, i have a galaxy to conquer, you want to be my allie? :D

vladski
05-28-2007, 07:23 AM
Yes in any army generals keep the soldiers' morale high by giving them lots of delicious food. But perhaps if the mother clubs (which are the ones paying the players) would cooperate and give the orders to the NT players, that might just work.


Guess it's part of the deal that whosoever be included in the RP roster upon his consent shall follow the regimen especially the training courses or whatsoever while in the RP roster. This includes training aborad, even if it means being away from the family. Which i guess each and ever RP team members faithfully comply with. Having a food diet is unfussy compared to what they have already given up...


I guess there should be no problem when it comes to the implementation of such activity.

vladski
05-28-2007, 10:49 AM
Olympic elims tough job for RP 5

May 28th, 2007 — ricojr
RATCHABURI, Thailand – The FIBA-Asia qualifying tournament for the 2008 Beijing Olympics will be a wide-open race.

FIBA-Asia technical director Lee Kak Kuan, 57, a Malaysian retired military man who’s been all over the region supervising big international tournaments, made the prediction in an interview with The STAR here on Saturday.

“It’s gonna be exciting, it’s gonna be tough. It’s anybody’s race specially with China, most probably, not sending its best players since it’s already seeded in the Olympics,” said Lee.

The Malaysian cage official, a trusted lieutenant of FIBA-Asia secretary-general Datu Yeo Choo-Hoch, pointed to the Gulf and Arab countries like Qatar, Lebanon, Iran and Syria as those which have made dramatic improvements and are now among the top contenders in Asian championships.

“In the old days, after China, there’s only South Korea. But everybody has improved,” said Lee.

As for the Philippines, featuring the country’s millionaire pro stars, Lee said it may need to boost its stocks more if it is to achieve its supreme goal of qualifying for the Beijing Games.

“The Philippines is a good team. Given more training and preparation, they could give the other countries a good run for their money,” said Lee.

Lee sees no hindrance to the SMC-RP team’s lack of ceiling.

“You need height in basketball but height alone doesn’t guarantee victory. Height must come with good physique and good technique. If your team plays with good team spirit and the needed preparation, then they have a chance,” said Lee.

Believing the Philippines has a big pool of talents, Lee said the SEA Games in December could be a walk in the park for any RP team.

“You love basketball so much that in any backyard, in any open space, Filipinos play the game. With or without the pros, they can perform well in the SEA Games,” he said.

Lee welcomed the return of the Philippines in the FIBA roster, saying it made a big impact at least in the region.

He said he could make a better prediction for the FIBA-Asia championship after the draw for the groupings on June 6 in Tokushima. Sixteen teams will be divided into four groups for the elimination round.

“I don’t think China is bringing their best team because they may not want to get hurt. No need since they’re already seeded in the Olympics. Their absence will make the competition more interesting,” said Lee.

Nelson Beltran - The Philippine Star

bobo81
05-28-2007, 12:09 PM
Lebanon Lebanon has good team chemistry. Period. They also have more "go-to" guys who can create on the team, although generally Fadi is their main scorer. Their problem is pressure, especially when down points. Fadi's temper dosn't help and from what I've heard, when the pressure tends to get higher, he sometimes cannot take it and leaves the game.

S.Korea Nice, young team. I guess their youth are getting better so the future looks bright for S. Korea. If Bang can keep healthy, and benchwarmer Kim can learn how to cool down and take his anger out on the court more, I see two good scorers for Asia. Their problem is also like Lebanon; when they're lossing they lose focus easily. They also need to learn to shoot when open, how many times we see these guys free inside the arc and just wait to pass...grrrrr

Qatar Good chemistry, also have some good shooters. Defense is decent, although outside of Asia they crumble. They win many games from playing at a faster pace than some of their opponents. Besides their naturalized team, Qatar will win when they have a good shooting day. When they have a bad shooting day, it's over. Most of their paint points are in the first half, but at the end they need to rely on their shooting. If bad shooting, no paint points - thus, they lose.

Iran One of the only teams I see the big men playing the running game with the guards. The forwards and center run the fast break. The only other team I see do this often is China and Kazakhstan. Good players who are never scared to take the ball to the hole. Their problem is their attitude. Anger, childnish, fighting hurts the team. The players argue with each other, and with the ref, which hurts them in many ways.

Jordan Still a growing team. Can play great defense, or stink at defense. I don't know too much about them, but their star player Ziad is getting old, so they need to look for a new leader.

Syria Good players. This team usually starts off fast and good in the beginning, but cannot uphold the lead towards the second half. I don't know why. I see them with only a couple of scorers, perhaps more people need to step up.

Kazakhstan Height is a key here. Young, hungry players who play very hard. Their coach seems to pressure them so this must help. They are still inexperienced in the national team way. Their go-to guy is a college kid, so chances are the team will have to grow and mature.

Japan Need a real center. Good players and like to play court pressure from the beginning, which shows how much energy they have. I like this team because they seem to be well mannered and do not argue much, I guess this is their culture. They can shoot, but usually struggle to finish. They kind of remind me of S. Korea because when they give the ball to someone open, he looks to pass and does not shoot. Shoot the ball!!!

bobo81
05-28-2007, 12:13 PM
who has the worst uniforms (jersyes) in ASIA..i admit Philipines right now has a bad uniform in SEABA..doesn't look good..

My friend, surely they are not as bad as Uzbekistan's jersey :rolleyes:

Have you seen India's? Or even Yemen's Jersey? :D

Be Happy :)

Sakamoto
05-28-2007, 06:08 PM
but we must also be weary of the current FIBA Champions Cup gold medalist and Doha Asian GAmes bronze medalist .... IRAN:D

also ... 2006 Asian Games semi-finalist plus Jordanian-foreign players.... JORDAN :D

current East Asian Games defending champion.... TAIWAN :D

Mid-Asia Champion, ... KAZAKHSTAN, I can't remember when was the last time we beat this team? :D

host and last WBC contestant ... JAPAN :D

with 3 BraSyrian added in the line-up ... SYRIA :D
The last time we beat kazakhstan was in the 1998 Asiad in Bangkok for the bronze medal. It was a see saw battle until in the last 5 minutes of the game, Lastimosa takes care of the offense by scoring all the points needed while the others namely Alvin Patrimonio, Andy Siegle, Dennis Espino and johnny Abbarientos takes care of the defense and the rebounding. We won by 5 points, 73 - 68.

Sakamoto
05-28-2007, 06:26 PM
Anyone from S.Korea, is Seo Jang Hoon will still play for your NT? I remember this player riding at the back of Yao Ming in the 2002 Busan Asiad and yet no foul was called. That's why they won the gold because of bad officiating which favors the host team. Thats why being the host country really matters.

TechSupport
05-28-2007, 11:39 PM
hehe....it started with leb. and qatar wanting to qualify.....than philippines lifted the suspension so that it would go.......than japan and south korea are getting their best players to try to qualify......and than theres iran and syria who r the black horses of the tournament as every1 calls them.....after all the problems in leb. i agree that our chances r pretty slim to qualify......but i still think all these teams are better than jordan.....i think jordan are maybe 7th or 8th in asia , no affense man , the asian games which is more like a friendly tournament for teams like leb.,china and south korea and jordan got 4th position which is probably the best they would get........i dont see a team who is 8th in asia winning the asian championship :confused: yalla the next step is a guy from malaysia writing that his team wants to qualify to the olympics :p .......no hard feelings man its just my opinion i hope it doesnt start a fight or anything now but u really shocked me with wat u said :eek:
what's wrong with malaysia hoping to qualify to the olympics? evryone wants to but not everyone can. its a dream. evryone is entitled to dream.

reality is wrong. dreams are for real. - Tupac

Projectspeed
05-29-2007, 02:19 AM
but we must also be weary of the current FIBA Champions Cup gold medalist and Doha Asian GAmes bronze medalist .... IRAN:D

also ... 2006 Asian Games semi-finalist plus Jordanian-foreign players.... JORDAN :D

current East Asian Games defending champion.... TAIWAN :D

Mid-Asia Champion, ... KAZAKHSTAN, I can't remember when was the last time we beat this team? :D

host and last WBC contestant ... JAPAN :D

with 3 BraSyrian added in the line-up ... SYRIA :D


hmmmnnn:D RP NT not yet beat Kazakhstan for the last 9 years? :D
thats what I'm trying to point out that we shouldn't also ovelook Kazakhstan:D

rensquared
05-29-2007, 03:29 AM
for me, the final Asian slot for the Olympics basketball competition will be up for grabs by the following countries...

Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Qatar, Kazakstan, Iran

:D luck and the proper preparation will determine their placings:D

any team can beat each other out:D

It will be anybody's ballgame. Good luck to all National Teams especially to my home country the Philippines.

taipan
05-29-2007, 09:21 AM
I do not agree with u spanish man for many reasons:
1-Of course Chine is the best team in asia but i don't think their B team will be like Team A and u know that Chine A without Yao And Lebanon without Fadi el khatib in Doha 2006 game chine defeat Lebanon by 2 pts,and in last asian championship in Quatar 2005,chine defeat lebanon by difficulty.
2-Second,before to give the rankings of asia team hope lebanon participate .Lebanon now in a war and anything clear about our NT.
3-Also we should wait Waba cup,Seaba cup,Gulf cup,Middle asia cup...to give our first opinion about the asia 2007 rankings.
4-If u want to talk about the rankings Lebanon and quatar is much better than jordan and syria even jordan naturalized Rasheim and syria joined 3 Syrian brazilian players.But i'm not sure about that like i said we should wait waba champ to know.
And japan,in Doha 2006 they didn't qualified to semi final,they lost many games.
Finally,10x for ur Opinion and i respect ur choice.

Denieb,

Just wonder why you always use the 2006 Dohao game, China defeat Leb by 2 points as an example. Did you not watching the game??? Did you not knowing at that time China had already qualified for the Quarter-Final and no need to send the full team to play the Lebs??? Did you not knowing that ZhiZhi, Zhu and Lui, the usual starters did not start the game and only played for ~ 20 minutes?? Under those circumstances, If your were the coach and the players, you would have relaxed, Don't you??? Well if you insisted the China team is inferior because they can only defeat the Lebs by 2 points. That is your opinion as you are the Lebs.;)

BTW, I notice that you call China as Chine. So I will call you Denieb in-stead.:D

vladski
05-29-2007, 09:25 AM
Denieb,

Just wonder why you always use the 2006 Dohao game, China defeat Leb by 2 points as an example. Did you not watching the game??? Did you not knowing at that time China had already qualified for the Quarter-Final and no need to send the full team to play the Lebs??? Did you not knowing that ZhiZhi, Zhu and Lui, the usual starters did not start the game and only played for ~ 20 minutes?? Under those circumstances, If your were the coach and the players, you would have relaxed, Don't you??? Well if you insisted the China team is inferior because they can only defeat the Lebs by 2 points. That is your opinion as you are the Lebs.;)

BTW, I notice that you call China as Chine. So I will call you Denieb in-stead.:D

hey taipan,

Among the Asian contenders in Japan, who do you think would be the strongest team for China B???

daniab
05-29-2007, 09:35 AM
Denieb,

Just wonder why you always use the 2006 Dohao game, China defeat Leb by 2 points as an example. Did you not watching the game??? Did you not knowing at that time China had already qualified for the Quarter-Final and no need to send the full team to play the Lebs??? Did you not knowing that ZhiZhi, Zhu and Lui, the usual starters did not start the game and only played for ~ 20 minutes?? Under those circumstances, If your were the coach and the players, you would have relaxed, Don't you??? Well if you insisted the China team is inferior because they can only defeat the Lebs by 2 points. That is your opinion as you are the Lebs.;)

BTW, I notice that you call China as Chine. So I will call you Denieb in-stead.:D

Don't be sad taipan next time i will say china :D
Anyway taipan,i watched this game and i know very well that many of china players didn't play but also in lebanese NT many of best players didn't play like Brian Bchara,Fadi el khatib,Ali Fakherdine,Paul Khoury.
Second in final game at asian champ 2005,china with all their famous players,they won lebanon hardly and that what yao ming said after the game.
Chine steal the stronger team in asia 100 % but not forever.
Lebanon,always played the asian champ when we were in a difficult days and we done a perfect results like WCC 2006, asian champ 2005.

daniab
05-29-2007, 09:37 AM
hey taipan,

Among the Asian contenders in Japan, who do you think would be the strongest team for China B???
Like the last 6 years vladski, Lebanon !!

taipan
05-29-2007, 10:28 AM
hey taipan,

Among the Asian contenders in Japan, who do you think would be the strongest team for China B???

Vladski,

To be honest, I don't know!
I guess most of the other nations have their strength and weakness.
Some nations play better with others. Japan really afraid of Mid. Eastern style of play. And Korea tends to play better with 120% effort when facing China. While China likes to play Japan and wants to beat the Sh!t out of them everytime(Sorry Japs).
BTW, China team B is not finalized yet! There are still many factors pending on the selection of team A players. Who will go to team B????? Who knows!

And of course, you want me to say Fillipinos is the close second or the strongest. While some may argue as Lebs, Iran.... and so on. I firmly beleive this year is very OPEN! It is definitly everybodies games! And I am looking forward to it!

karim
05-29-2007, 10:52 AM
wat is this flag which country r u from taipen

igorotski
05-29-2007, 11:31 AM
And of course, you want me to say Fillipinos is the close second or the strongest. While some may argue as Lebs, Iran.... and so on. I firmly beleive this year is very OPEN! It is definitly everybodies games! And I am looking forward to it!

i agree with u

Projectspeed
05-29-2007, 12:16 PM
It will be anybody's ballgame. Good luck to all National Teams especially to my home country the Philippines.

yeah, we can't tell which team will qualify and win:D


may the FORCE be with Team Pilipinas:D

taipan
05-29-2007, 01:28 PM
wat is this flag which country r u from taipen

I am from Hong Kong, China.
Born and raise here. :cool:

igorotski
05-29-2007, 01:36 PM
hey taipan, jus curious, which side will u be on at Asian championship? china or hong kong?

taipan
05-29-2007, 01:44 PM
this one is interesting:

for CHINA:

height is their main strength. they play more like a european team now, with more passing games and of course, more players in china now has the heft to keep up against bigmen of opposing team. but height will backfire on them. you see, if you have tall guards, you tend to dribble high, and dribbling high is prone to turnovers. ball-handling is china's main problem, since china focuses more on the program of its bigmen. chot reyes, already had his special game plan against china, so to my filipino compatriot, lets be optimistic. there is always a hope.

to be continued....:D

I really hope that everyone still have the same opinion as yours.
Just wonder if you ever follow team China recently?
their existing guard, Chen, who is listed 188 with lighting speed and supreme ball handling.
Another guard, Lui is listed 190, has been getting 5+ assist a game with little TO.
The only problem they have is the experience. They are both 18 years of age and plays for the China A team!

taipan
05-29-2007, 01:50 PM
hey taipan, jus curious, which side will u be on at Asian championship? china or hong kong?

HK is not going to surprise anyone.
Since HK is part of China, and located
right at the southern tip of China.
When I am on the HK
side, I am also on the China side as well.:D

ithons26
05-29-2007, 02:11 PM
hmmmnnn:D RP NT not yet beat Kazakhstan for the last 9 years? :D
thats what I'm trying to point out that we shouldn't also ovelook Kazakhstan:DNo sir..... philippines beat kazakhstan during the 2005 FIBA champions cup in manila, that is our last win against them, because they beat us twice in the 2006 jones cup and once in the last FIBA champions cup in Iran........ hope we get our revenge against them in the coming FIBA qualifying championship in tokushima Japan this july

vladski
05-29-2007, 02:19 PM
Vladski,

To be honest, I don't know!
I guess most of the other nations have their strength and weakness.
Some nations play better with others. Japan really afraid of Mid. Eastern style of play. And Korea tends to play better with 120% effort when facing China. While China likes to play Japan and wants to beat the Sh!t out of them everytime(Sorry Japs).
BTW, China team B is not finalized yet! There are still many factors pending on the selection of team A players. Who will go to team B????? Who knows!

And of course, you want me to say Fillipinos is the close second or the strongest. While some may argue as Lebs, Iran.... and so on. I firmly beleive this year is very OPEN! It is definitly everybodies games! And I am looking forward to it!

I understand what you want to say.

And by the way, I am not expecting you to mention Philippines as the strongest among the contenders in Fiba qualifying in Japan. At least for the time being.:D

China and Philippines rivalry is the longest in Asian Basketball history. And Philippines is trying to revive that rivalry. I know that we have a lot of work to do before we can catch up to the quality of game China has. But who knows, we may take it by surprise. If not this coming Fiba Asia, may be in the years to come. If there's a will, there's a way.

bristron
05-29-2007, 02:45 PM
Seo will not play for NT this year.
He is not in 23 roster.(cuz he had had relation with head coach.)

And..!!
Seo ride at back of Yao in 2002 Asian game?
When do you mean???
I've seen that game so many times but I can't know when do you mean.
(and one moment that i think similar situation is, when Seo lost his balance and trumbled over Yao, referee called Seo's foul.)



Anyone from S.Korea, is Seo Jang Hoon will still play for your NT? I remember this player riding at the back of Yao Ming in the 2002 Busan Asiad and yet no foul was called. That's why they won the gold because of bad officiating which favors the host team. Thats why being the host country really matters.

Projectspeed
05-29-2007, 03:21 PM
No sir..... philippines beat kazakhstan during the 2005 FIBA champions cup in manila, that is our last win against them, because they beat us twice in the 2006 jones cup and once in the last FIBA champions cup in Iran........ hope we get our revenge against them in the coming FIBA qualifying championship in tokushima Japan this july

thanks for that info:D i tried to search the net and found out that RP NT beat Kazakhstan, which was represented by Tobol, via 88-67...:D

so its safe to say that we lost to Kazakhstan for 3 straight already?:D

manu_bol
05-29-2007, 03:33 PM
i'll post my reply in filipino...

mga kababayan, di kaya'y nakakasama sa basketball program natin ang pagpopost ng mga articles at mga scouting reports tungkol sa national team natin?

ang sa akin lamang po, mas makabubuti kung low profile lang tayo. tingnan nyo yung south korea, taiwan, japan. wala silang masyadong publicity tapos pagdating sa laro, masosopresa na lng tayo.

napaka high profile ng RP team natin. nakakantyawan tayo ng mga taga ibang bansa kapag natatalo tayo kasi sobrang bilib tayo sa rp team at ang laki ng expectations natin.

we want our national team to be respected but we're doing more harm than good. a foreign scout wouldn't have to look that far to know who our best players are and how they play because we are practically telling them what to expect from a danny siegle or a mark caguioa. by now, every scout in asia knows that we are trying to emulate the phoenix sun's because our inside game is weak. for sure, they will exploit this. please post and reply sensibly and with consideration for our basketball program.

ngayon alam na nila na si renren streak shooter (babantayan na nila kagad para di mag-init) or taulava is really not that good inside (no double team on taulava, no open shooter to kick out to) or ranidel, raymundo or dela cruz are not much of a threat (they will concentrate guarding seigle and caguiao na lang). tapos pa, we are also making a habit of washing our dirty linen in public (ba't kelangan pa ibrought-up yung mga citizenship issues ni taulava at penissi?) or pinapaalam pa natin sa kanila na we are already cramming and desperado na ang coaching staff natin and we're trying to replace players. mas maganda pa nga kung naging 'secret weapon' si kelly or gabe, mabibigla na lng yung kalaban natin pagdating ng laro.

we are not helping, mga kaibigan. we haven't proven anything yet, so let's not assume we're the best team in asia and also assume that we're better that our national coaches...

peace po sa lahat :cool:

SkyWalker
05-29-2007, 04:05 PM
I really hope that everyone still have the same opinion as yours.
Just wonder if you ever follow team China recently?
their existing guard, Chen, who is listed 188 with lighting speed and supreme ball handling.
Another guard, Lui is listed 190, has been getting 5+ assist a game with little TO.
The only problem they have is the experience. They are both 18 years of age and plays for the China A team!

yeah, both of them might be small, but how bout china's shooting guards and wingmen? can they handle the ball well? can they play with ball pressure? china has a lot of big wing men. though size will be an advantage for them, i still see some weakness on individual game. i agree with you that both are still inexperience. :) anyway, we'll see this july if my analysis is true. :)

karim
05-29-2007, 08:14 PM
I am from Hong Kong, China.
Born and raise here. :cool:

hey taipen did u watch Lebanon vs. Hongkong in 2005 ?

taipan
05-30-2007, 02:25 AM
yeah, both of them might be small, but how bout china's shooting guards and wingmen? can they handle the ball well? can they play with ball pressure? china has a lot of big wing men. though size will be an advantage for them, i still see some weakness on individual game. i agree with you that both are still inexperience. :) anyway, we'll see this july if my analysis is true. :)

I don't think you can find out this July!
They are currently playing for the China A team and won't play you guys till the Olympics (If your nation qualified).:)

taipan
05-30-2007, 03:08 AM
For the mean time, please take a look of how Chen (no. 18, age 18) played last year vs. USA and Germany.

http://tv.mofile.com/03BXN5D6/

enjoy!:eek:

taipan
05-30-2007, 08:27 AM
I am from Hong Kong, China.
Born and raise here. :cool:

hey taipen did u watch Lebanon vs. Hongkong in 2005 ?

No, I didn't, we don't even boardcast HK balls here in HK.:confused:

Anyway, HK is not famous with BBall.

We are good at making money though (top financial centre in Asia after Tokyo):rolleyes:

daniab
05-30-2007, 08:42 AM
No, I didn't, we don't even boardcast HK balls here in HK.:confused:

Anyway, HK is not famous with BBall.

We are good at making money though (top financial centre in Asia after Tokyo):rolleyes:
Ok man here the results 109-53 :D :p

taipan
05-30-2007, 08:56 AM
Ok man here the results 109-53 :D :p

So What?!:p
Can you do it to my parents' homeland--China????
Smart A$$:D

CHINA TEAM
05-30-2007, 09:04 AM
For the mean time, please take a look of how Chen (no. 18, age 18) played last year vs. USA and Germany.

http://tv.mofile.com/03BXN5D6/

enjoy!:eek:
YEAH~!this is better about chen.

VhIaul1s5qI

The NO5 member is he~!