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05-12-2007, 10:55 AM
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Most Valuable Player
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Preliminary Round
90-69 Uruguay: 16Pts, 6Reb, 4Ast, 2Stl.
87-75 Puerto Rico: 22Pts, 11Reb, 2Ast, 1Stl.
104-83 Mexico: 11Pts, 8Reb, 5Ast, 1Stl, 1Blk.
109-92 Panama: 20Pts, 8Reb, 2Ast.
Quarter-Final Round
98-63 Venezuela: 10Pts, 5Reb.
85-70 Canada: 23Pts, 6Reb, 1Blk.
86-79 Brazil: 23Pts, 12Reb, 1Ast.
76-91 USA: 20Pts, 5Reb, 1Ast, 1Blk.
Semi-Final
91-80 Brazil: 27Pts, 9Reb, 2Ast.
Final
81-118 USA: 23Pts, 5Reb, 3Ast.

All-Tournament Team
Center: Esteban Batista - Uruguay (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/teamPlay/play/p/competitioncode//eventid/3965/langlc/en/playernumber/45592/roundid/3965/season//fe_teamPlay_playStat.html)
Forward: Carmelo Anthony - USA (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/teamPlay/play/p/competitioncode//eventid/3965/langlc/en/playernumber/49173/roundid/3965/season//fe_teamPlay_playStat.html)
Forward: Hector Romero - Venezuela (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/teamPlay/play/p/competitioncode//eventid/3965/langlc/en/playernumber/32989/roundid/3965/searchstr//season//teamnumber/383/fe_teamPlay_playStat.html)
Guard: Leandrinho Barbosa - Brazil (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/teamPlay/play/p/competitioncode//eventid/3965/langlc/en/playernumber/42362/roundid/3965/season//fe_teamPlay_playStat.html)
Guard: Romel Beck - Mexico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/teamPlay/play/p/competitioncode//eventid/3965/langlc/en/playernumber/54166/roundid/3965/season//fe_teamPlay_playStat.html)
Sixth Man: Federico Kammerichs - Argentina (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/teamPlay/play/p/competitioncode//eventid/3965/langlc/en/playernumber/33010/roundid/3965/searchstr//season//teamnumber/237/fe_teamPlay_playStat.html)

Download
August 22, Brazil 75-67 Canada (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_PRE03_CB_700k.wmv)
August 22, USA 112-69 Venezuela (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_PRE04_UV_700k.wmv)
August 23, Argentina 90-69 Uruguay (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_PRE05_AU_700k.wmv)
August 23, USA 123-59 US Virgin Islands (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_PRE08_VU_700k.wmv)
August 24, Argentina 87-75 Puerto Rico (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_PRE11_PA_700k.wmv)
August 24, Brazil 101-75 Venezuela (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_PRE12_BA_700k.wmv)
August 25, USA 113-63 Canada (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_PRE13_UC_700k.wmv)
August 25, Argentina 104-83 Mexico (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_PRE16_AM_700k.wmv)
August 26, USA 113-76 Brazil (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_PRE19_BU_700k.wmv)
August 26, Argentina 109-92 Panama (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_PRE20_PA_700k.wmv)
August 27, Puerto Rico 97-75 Brazil (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_QF03_BP_700k.wmv)
August 27, USA 127-100 Mexico (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_QF04_UM_700k.wmv)
August 28, Argentina 85-70 Canada (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_QF06_CA_700k.wmv)
August 28, USA 117-78 Puerto Rico (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_QF08_PU_700k.wmv)
August 29, Argentina 86-79 Brazil (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_QF11_TBD_700k.wmv)
August 29, USA 118-79 Uruguay (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_QF12_TBD_700k.wmv)
August 30, Puerto Rico 72-66 Canada (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_QF15_TBD_700k.wmv)
August 30, USA 91-76 Argentina (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_QF16_TBD_700k.wmv)
September 1, Argentina 91-80 Brazil (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_SF01_TBD_700k.wmv)
September 1, USA 135-91 Puerto Rico (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_SF02_TBD_700k.wmv)
September 2, Puerto Rico 111-107 Brazil (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_F01_TBD_700k.wmv)
September 2, USA 118-81 Argentina (http://download1.mediazone.com/mzdownload.php?ItemUrl=http://download.mediazone.com/media/downloads/fiba/basketball/2007/Americas/e-FIBA07_F02_TBD_700k.wmv)

Day One
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LeBron James takes flight for an easy flush.

Day Two
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Panama's Gary Forbes.

Day Four
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Leandro Barbosa of Brazil.

Day Five
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Dwight Howard throws one down.

Day Six
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Carmelo Anthony takes flight for an easy dunk.

Day Seven
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Kobe Bryant and LeBron James celebrates.

Day Eight
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Jay-Z and Beyonce watch from their courtside seats.

Day Nine
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Carmelo Anthony's one-handed flush.

Day Eleven
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Dwight Howard of the USA Men's Senior National Team dunks against Puerto Rico.

Day Twelve
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Carmelo Anthony #15 of the USA Men's Senior National Team celebrates against Argentina during the gold medal game of the 2007 FIBA Americas Championship at the Thomas & Mack Center September 2, 2007 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Group A
August 22, Uruguay 88-84 Panama (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/2/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 22, Mexico 100-89 Puerto Rico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/1/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 23, Argentina 90-69 Uruguay (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/3/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 23, Puerto Rico 108-67 Panama (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/4/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 24, Panama 95-90 Mexico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/5/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 24, Argentina 87-75 Puerto Rico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/6/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 25, Uruguay 82-79 Puerto Rico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/7/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 25, Argentina 104-83 Mexico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/8/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 26, Uruguay 91-82 Mexico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/10/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 26, Argentina 109-92 Panama (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/9/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Group B
August 22, Brazil 75-67 Canada (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/1/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 22, USA 112-69 Venezuela (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/2/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 23, Canada 80-73 Venezuela (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/4/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 23, USA 123-59 US Virgin Islands (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/3/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 24, Canada 93-83 US Virgin Islands (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/6/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 24, Brazil 101-75 Venezuela (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/5/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 25, USA 113-63 Canada (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/7/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 25, Brazil 93-89 US Virgin Islands (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/8/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 26, Venezuela 100-90 US Virgin Islands (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/9/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 26, USA 113-76 Brazil (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/10/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Quarter-Final Round
August 27, Canada 95-88 Uruguay (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/1/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 27, Argentina 98-63 Venezuela (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/2/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 27, Puerto Rico 97-75 Brazil (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/3/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 27, USA 127-100 Mexico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/4/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 28, Venezuela 88-79 Uruguay (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/5/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 28, Argentina 85-70 Canada (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/6/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 28, Brazil 104-90 Mexico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/7/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 28, USA 117-78 Puerto Rico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/8/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 29, Canada 97-80 Mexico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/9/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 29, Puerto Rico 92-63 Venezuela (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/10/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 29, Argentina 86-79 Brazil (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/11/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 29, USA 118-79 Uruguay (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/12/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 30, Mexico 101-91 Venezuela (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/13/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 30, Brazil 96-62 Uruguay (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/14/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 30, Puerto Rico 72-66 Canada (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/15/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
August 30, USA 91-76 Argentina (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/16/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Semi-Final
September 1, Argentina 91-80 Brazil (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/1/langlc//roundid/5738/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
September 1, USA 135-91 Puerto Rico (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/2/langlc//roundid/5738/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

3rd to 4th Place
September 2, Puerto Rico 111-107 Brazil (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/1/langlc//roundid/5739/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Final
September 2, USA 118-81 Argentina (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/2/langlc//roundid/5739/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

PRSURF
05-12-2007, 05:45 PM
Schedule
Group A
August 22
Uruguay vs. Panama
Puerto Rico vs. Mexico

August 23
Argentina vs. Uruguay
Panama vs. Puerto Rico

August 24
Mexico vs. Panama
Puerto Rico vs. Argentina

August 25
Uruguay vs. Puerto Rico
Argentina vs. Mexico

August 26
Mexico vs. Uruguay
Panama vs. Argentina

Group B
August 22
Canada vs.Brazil
USA vs. Venezuela

August 23
Venezuela vs. Canada
US Virgin Islands vs. USA

August 24
Canada vs. US Virgin Islands
Brazil vs. Venezuela

August 25
USA vs. Canada
US Virgin Islands vs. Brazil

August 26
Venezuela vs. US Virgin Islands
Brazil vs. USA

J-Mart
08-04-2007, 07:48 AM
Actually this is the 13 Tournament of the Americas :)

1980 at Puerto Rico
Gold- Puerto Rico
Silver- Canada
Bronze- Argentina

1984 at Brazil
Gold- Brazil
Silver- Uruguay
Bronze- Canada

1988 at Uruguay (Olympic Qualifier)
Gold- Brazil
Silver- Puerto Rico
Bronze- Canada

1989 at Mexico
Gold- Puerto Rico
Silver- United States
Bronze- Brazil

1992 at United States (Olympic Qualifier)
Gold- United States
Silver- Venezuela
Bronze- Brazil

1993 at Puerto Rico
Gold- United States
Silver- Puerto Rico
Bronze- Argentina

1995 at Argentina (Olympic Qualifier)
Gold- Puerto Rico
Silver- Argentina
Bronze- Brazil

1997 at Uruguay
Gold- United States
Silver- Puerto Rico
Bronze- Brazil

1999 at Puerto Rico (Olympic Qualifier)
Gold- United States
Silver- Canada
Bronze- Argentina

2001 at Argentina (WBC Qualifier)
Gold- Argentina
Silver- Brazil
Bronze- Canada

2003 at Puerto Rico (Olympic Qualifier)
Gold- United States
Silver- Argentina
Bronze- Puerto Rico

2005 at Dominican Republic (WBC Qualifier)
Gold- Brazil
Silver- Argentina
Bronze- Venezuela

J-Mart
08-04-2007, 08:02 AM
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4885/medalsvj2.jpg

bobo81
08-11-2007, 10:02 AM
Cannot wait! Come on! I hope to see some good stuff in the americas :cool:

alermac
08-22-2007, 10:17 PM
First result: Uruguay 88 - Panama 84, in overtime. Esteban Batista tied the game in 75 with 1 second to go in the fourth quarter.

Buducnost PG
08-22-2007, 11:00 PM
What is Puerto Rico doing in the defense? Mexico scored 57 Points in the 1st half and leads with 57-45.

penzias
08-23-2007, 12:09 AM
Tou can watch links for games here. http://www.tvmix.net/foros/showthread.php/torneo_de_las_am_ricas-8985/index.html

Lebron23
08-23-2007, 05:53 AM
BRA - Brazil beats Canada , Barbosa explode for 30 Points



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LAS VEGAS (2007 FIBA Americas Championship) - When you think of Brazil's Leandro Barbosa, you think of speed.

True to form, the 6'4'' guard got off to a fast start and ultimately helped Brazil race to a 75-67 victory.

Canada, however, would not go quietly. As such, the contest was much more a marathon than a sprint.

Barbosa netted 11 points during an opening quarter in which Brazil, as a team, shot 67 percent from the field.

Facing a 25-12 deficit after one period of play, Canada would make some noise.

Juan Mendez's hot hand in the second stanza (five-of-seven from the field), helped pull the Canadians to within three points at the half, 36-33.

The second half would once again belong to Barbosa, who finished with a game high 30 points.

Adding 12 points and nine rebounds was forward Tiago Splitter, who was a factor inside all night.

Samuel Dalembert tallied 10 points and 10 rebounds for the Canadians while Mendez finished with 18 points in a losing effort.

Notes: Canada's Andy Rautins sustained what appeared to be a knee injury early in the first half of Canada's loss to Brazil.


http://www.fibaamericas.com/noticiasread4.asp?r=RLHWKDEVEY&t=JMXULHQIUS

Final Prediction: USA vs. Brazil, 2007 FIBA Americas Finals

Lebron23
08-23-2007, 06:02 AM
USA - United States dominates Venezuela to close day 1

jueves, 23 de agosto 2007

LAS VEGAS (2007 FIBA Americas Championship) - If the United States was trying to send a message that it is the team to beat in this tournament, most would agree that Venezuela got that message loud and clear on Wednesday night.

The USA scored early and often, opening the game on a 9-0 run and rolling to a 112-69 victory to cap the action on day one at Thomas & Mack Center on the campus of UNLV.

The USA employed a balanced attack, with seven players scoring in double digits.

Carmelo Anthony and Michael Redd led the United States with 17 apiece. The USA also dominated inside, outscoring the Venezuelans 58-14 in the paint.

Defensively, Dwight Howard led the USA with three blocks while Kobe Bryant and LeBron James teamed for 6 steals.

Collectively, the USA forced Venezuela into 20 turnovers, capitalizing on those miscues with 41 fast break points. Greivis Vasquez led Venezuela with 12 points.


http://www.fibaamericas.com/noticiasread4.asp?r=KFMXLGRJHN&t=JMXULHQIUS

Upcoming Games

USA vs. Virgin Island

ballerwannabe
08-23-2007, 07:29 AM
just wondering are there no streaming videos for these fiba americas games?

Buducnost PG
08-23-2007, 11:06 AM
Barbosa and Machado took 35 shots of 61 from whole Brazilian team. And both with a bad FG%. I am asking me if Brazil benefits from the play of Barbosa or not? For now and what i see at the WC last year i would say NO. He was bad at the WC and yesterday too. It is not that difficult to make 30p when you take 26 shots. What is he thinking? Brazil has enough good players compared to other teams in this tournament and there is no need for Barbosa trying it to do all alone.

Perhaps somebody from Brazil and South America can tell me more about his attidue to play for his country.

Lebron23
08-23-2007, 11:29 AM
IMO, I expect this tournament to be walk in the park for the USA Team, this is probably one of the best team ever assemble since the 1992 USA Dream Team.

Although, no one was expecting that Venezuela would put on a great game because this team is not even in the same level as Argentina and Brazil.

I praise the United States for dominating on both ends of the floor they started pretty hot in the 1st half and by the time the game is already decided their role players still continuously hitting their shots.

If everyone can stay healthy they can win the gold in '08. They just need to stick to a team that will fit them together.

The tone was set from the opening tap by, who else, the Lakers' Kobe Bryant. Coach Mike Krzyzewski put him on the Venezuela point guard, Greivis Vasquez, a Maryland sophomore, who was challenged even in trying to complete an entry pass.




"I don't know how to explain it," said Vasquez after the game. "That was amazing."

"I grew up watching the NBA. I was in College Park, watching his highlights. All of a sudden, he was guarding me like it was the last game of his life. . . .

"I'm 20 years old. . . . It was tough. I'm not going to lie to you guys. I lost the ball on a couple of possessions. . . .

"But tomorrow's another day. It's all good. I'm glad it happened."


Kobe was the perfect addition to the team. People will start to realize that Kobe can be a sick playmaker when he has good players to pass to. Kobe is playing like he used to when the Lakers were winning their championships. This tournament will be a good way to build up the chemistry between these guys, so next year in the Olympics, they will be a tight squad. USA will be taking the gold in '08.


Lebron/Melo and Kobe prove their leadership role in this team by being aggressive at the early part of the game.

Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire might be one of the best front courts in this squad as they attempt to get as many rebounds as possible and make sure that the other team will not be making their easy baskets.

Jason Kidd and Chauncey Billups look like they hit the fountain of youth when they are able to run with the young guys of the other team.

Michael Redd/Mike Miller/ and the rest of the guys prove that they are part of this team by contributing very well in the 2nd half when Coach K finally pull his starter out of the game.

asdzas
08-23-2007, 12:26 PM
Barbosa and Machado took 35 shots of 61 from whole Brazilian team. And both with a bad FG%. I am asking me if Brazil benefits from the play of Barbosa or not? For now and what i see at the WC last year i would say NO. He was bad at the WC and yesterday too. It is not that difficult to make 30p when you take 26 shots. What is he thinking? Brazil has enough good players compared to other teams in this tournament and there is no need for Barbosa trying it to do all alone.

Perhaps somebody from Brazil and South America can tell me more about his attidue to play for his country.

Brazil played a very bad game, it's not a surprise for us brazilians since we know that every first game of the competition we suck, just like against Australia in the World Championship. Leandrinho started the game very well, scoring a lot of points but suddenly he started to miss some shots, and he did not stop to shoot :confused:. Marcelinho Machado is a selfish player, nobody likes him here in Brazil, he has talent but he doesn't know how to use it for him and for the team. The canadian team based their defense on the paint, just watch the fouls Nene received, they were very hard.
Since brazilian head coach knew that the most important thing in the first game was to win, no matter if you played well or not, he kept Leandrinho in the game and even though he missed a lot of shots, he still was the main reason we won the game.
Brazil always starts slow in the competition and then improves, that's very bad for us. Against Venezuela on friday, you'll see more players scoring.

penzias
08-23-2007, 12:34 PM
just wondering are there no streaming videos for these fiba americas games?
Here. http://www.tvmix.net/foros/showthread.php/torneo_de_las_am_ricas-8985/index.html

Joško Poljak Fan
08-23-2007, 12:49 PM
Kobe was the perfect addition to the team. People will start to realize that Kobe can be a sick playmaker when he has good players to pass to. Kobe is playing like he used to when the Lakers were winning their championships. This tournament will be a good way to build up the chemistry between these guys, so next year in the Olympics, they will be a tight squad. USA will be taking the gold in '08.
USA never lost games because they would lack an "individual quality" advantage over the rest of the teams, they were always supreme regarding that by a biiig margin compared to anything any international team could put on court. So I can't exactly see how adding one more great one-on-one player as Kobe can change their game that drasticaly, that they would suddenly win gold, while there was tons of very obvious exclusively bad parts of the game, which noone in the US press wants to hear about and even worse, I doubt that a vast majority of those "ESPN writers" are actually aware of what is going on on court.
Same old story, same old problems that can't be solved solely by adding Kobe and preferably as many superstars as possible.
US is still the no.1 candidate to take gold in 08', but sadly that's only because of their individual supremacy compared to the rest, but they certanly are no sure thing.

Venezuela isn't exactly a team that would base their game on fundamentals of bball (as majority of int. teams tend to nowadays) and I don't think playing them is anything comparable to top european teams or Brasil/Argentina, afterall they've lost by 20 vs. a mixture between slovenian B and C squad about 2 weeks earlier.

bobo81
08-23-2007, 02:27 PM
Here. http://www.tvmix.net/foros/showthread.php/torneo_de_las_am_ricas-8985/index.html

Thank you!! I was wondering what was going on...;)

Srle
08-23-2007, 06:39 PM
I like Brazil alot. Its only team able to beat USA in Americas championship. They have best front court in this tournament together with USA. Guards need some discipline but it just first game. They let Canada to come back. Dalambert was great for Canada.

Princelight
08-23-2007, 06:50 PM
HI guys.

I hear that Argentina will have to do without Scola, Delfino and other big profiles. I see they are on the rooster, but this is what I hear.

Is this true or not?

AiwiTo
08-23-2007, 09:02 PM
Marcelinho Machado is a selfish player, nobody likes him here in Brazil, he has talent but he doesn't know how to use it for him and for the team.

strange, because he impressed many Liths then he played in Zalgiris last season. The injury at the start of the season affect all his season, but he was quite good in defence, and in offence, if he didn't scored, he saw the court very fine and assisted very well.
he came in Lithuania with the 'scorer' alias, but he didn't managed it clearly.
but we loved him because of his character and nice play.
when we signed marcus brown, M.M. must leave team. we can not afford to keep these similar tipe (sg) players.

AiwiTo
08-23-2007, 09:11 PM
HI guys.

I hear that Argentina will have to do without Scola, Delfino and other big profiles. I see they are on the rooster, but this is what I hear.

Is this true or not?


there is ARG rooster:
5 Prigioni, Pablo
4 Scola, Luis
6 Gonzalez, Roman
14 Sandes, Carlos Matias
9 Porta, Antonio
7 LO Grippo, Diego
10 Delfino, Carlos
13 Quinteros, Paolo
11 Leiva, Martin Dario
12 Gutierrez, Leonardo
15 Kammerichs, Guillermo Federic
8 Gutierrez, Juan

both, scola and delfino is playing against Uruguay now.

prigioni scola delfino and kammerichs is just 4 players which is known in Europe, least for me.

Lebron23
08-23-2007, 10:09 PM
FIBA: USA vs. Venezuela Highlights



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv2oviWjI_M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkHqaFAfL0

" Beautiful passing and getting all the players involve that is the concept of team Basketball"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKs8cp0EBmc&mode=user&search=

FIBA Americas Top 10: Wednesday, Aug. 22

JGX
08-24-2007, 03:27 AM
USA leading Virgin Islands 42-13 after the first quarter.

8/10 on three-pointers :p

alermac
08-24-2007, 03:43 AM
prigioni scola delfino and kammerichs is just 4 players which is known in Europe, least for me.
Prigioni, Kammerichs and Juan Gutiérrez play ACB. Porta played Lega and is now in Russia (signed in St. Petersburg). Quinteros, Lo Grippo, Sandes and Leiva play LEB. Román González and Leo Gutiérrez play in Argentina.

Nice game today against Uruguay, looking particularly solid in defense. The offense was fine, mainly because Prigioni and the others filled in for Delfino's bad shooting day.

PRSURF
08-24-2007, 03:47 AM
Puerto Rico beat Panama by 41 point today, 108 to 67:D

Leahmic223
08-24-2007, 04:24 AM
Puerto Rico beat Panama by 41 point today, 108 to 67:D

I was going to watch that game later tonight...but ESPNs stupid 'Bottom Line' displayed the score...oh well looks like I missed a blowout.

JGX
08-24-2007, 04:58 AM
USA wins 123-59.

It might have been better if we started off by playing the better teams...they might be overconfident after the these two easy games and have trouble with Canada and Brazil as a result.

LFGC79
08-24-2007, 03:34 PM
USA is playing really nice. I think that this same team in the Olympics could get bronze or silver. In WC maybe bronze. Stoudemire and Howard are good for inside presence but no outside game, on offense or defense. This is how Europe has beaten the american super natural athleticism ( and will continue to do so).

LFGC79
08-24-2007, 06:17 PM
USA wins 123-59.

It might have been better if we started off by playing the better teams...they might be overconfident after the these two easy games and have trouble with Canada and Brazil as a result.

Canada will be a blowout in my humble opinion.

bman
08-24-2007, 06:19 PM
Does anyone know if the other Argentine stars who are not playing are quiting the team, or if they just opted out of this tournament?

I assume Ginobilli, Noccioni, Herrmann, etc. will want to play in the Olympics...

asdzas
08-24-2007, 06:25 PM
Does anyone know if the other Argentine stars who are not playing are quiting the team, or if they just opted out of this tournament?

I assume Ginobilli, Noccioni, Herrmann, etc. will want to play in the Olympics...

They just opted out of the tournament of americas. They will probably be back next year. I just don't know about Wolkowysk, he was talking about retiring from the Argentina national team.

stuart
08-24-2007, 07:25 PM
but no outside game, on offense or defense. This is how Europe has beaten the american super natural athleticism ( and will continue to do so).
They're defense is better, they need to maintain it throughout the game -- I don't think you realize that they've added Michael Redd and Mike Miller, pretty good three-point shooters. As well as Billups and Deron Williams. And as much as I despise Kobe, he is damn good shooter too.


The 42-point outburst by the USA in the opening stanza was fueled by Redd’s fluid stroke, as the sharpshooting guard hit three-of-four three-pointers in the period before ultimately finishing with a game high 22 points. Carmelo Anthony also tallied 22 for the winners.
Stuart

LFGC79
08-24-2007, 07:53 PM
They're defense is better, they need to maintain it throughout the game -- I don't think you realize that they've added Michael Redd and Mike Miller, pretty good three-point shooters. As well as Billups and Deron Williams. And as much as I despise Kobe, he is damn good shooter too.


Stuart

I am aware of the inclusion of both Miller and Redd, and agree with you. I think that especially Redd is a great contribution. However, I am not talking about SG and SF shooting threes (which is pretty standard) which has been a great improvement in this version of the USA team. What I meant is that the way the European game has combated the USA agility and their overall superior athleticism is by having PFs and Centers who are agile in their ball handling skills and good three point and long range 2pt shooters playing in the perimeter. This causes several problems for the USA. In defense with the exception of a few players (like Garnett for example) they have to come out of their comfort zone and guard on the perimeter, at this time one of two things usually happen either the EU guy makes a three point basket because there was no close coverage on him and he is a good 3pt shooter (unlike Stoudemire and Howard), he takes him off the dribble because he has better ball handling skills and quickness for his size or he misses but since the big guys are out covering they are out rebounded. Additionally, due to their position they are able to get back in the court and play a solid zone defense.

*Dont get me wrong if the USA took a team of duncan shaq garnett iverson kobe anthony and james they will be unstopabble, their overall talent pool is too much*. But lately taking all super stars has not been effective thus the team went into a renovation phase.

Do you think this team could beat Spain?

By the way this applies pretty much to all the teams in the americas except for Argentina.

penzias
08-24-2007, 08:30 PM
*Dont get me wrong if the USA took a team of duncan shaq garnett iverson kobe anthony and james they will be unstopabble, their overall talent pool is too much*. But lately taking all super stars has not been effective thus the team went into a renovation phase.

Do you think this team could beat Spain?

By the way this applies pretty much to all the teams in the americas except for Argentina.

What about Iverson, Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Anthony, Odom, Stoudemire...that was the team in 2004 and they lost to Lithuania, Puerto rico and Argentina, and were really close to lose to Spain also.

LFGC79
08-24-2007, 08:47 PM
What about Iverson, Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Anthony, Odom, Stoudemire...that was the team in 2004 and they lost to Lithuania, Puerto rico and Argentina, and were really close to lose to Spain also.

I agree I have that game on the PC.:)

daniab
08-24-2007, 09:32 PM
Panama vs Mexico 95-90

its just finished right now.

D.Pinnock was the best in Panama with 30 pts.
And Beck Castro, R. with 28 pts for mexico.

congrats panama,
hard luck mexico.

JGX
08-24-2007, 09:45 PM
James, Anthony, and Stoudemire are much better players now than in 2004. Wade isn't really suited to the international game.

Any team can lose, especially in a single-elimination tournament.

LFGC79
08-24-2007, 09:55 PM
I agree Wade is not suited for international play.

Panama beat mexico, hoping uruguay beats them too, then our loss does not count for the next round.

bobo81
08-24-2007, 09:57 PM
Nothing to make noise about. Will need to see a game against Brasil or even Argentina to actually see something to evaluate. It is good to see Kobe look to pass before shooting. I like our shooting too, but I hope our D continues to hold up. Still wondering how well Chandler will do for this team.

J-Mart
08-25-2007, 01:25 AM
wow

FIBA refs sucks :D

alermac
08-25-2007, 04:34 AM
I think no one expected Lo Grippo to be the key player in the game. Argentina is proving that almost every player can help gratly in winning games.

LFGC79
08-25-2007, 04:50 PM
I dont want to make any excuses about the coaching staff, santiago etc. This is a pathetic showing, inconsistency is the word of the day.
Manolo is on acid or under a lot of pressure.

So sad a team full of so much talent. Some players that have led in many stats in leagues in Poland, Croatia and Italy and we look like children on neighborhood playground.

Why in the blue hell will you put the bench on a game in the second quarter just as you get a good lead and you are playing consistently.

JGX
08-25-2007, 07:52 PM
USA beating Canada 65-34 at halftime. 37-13 second quarter. 20 points for Anthony.

JGX
08-25-2007, 08:47 PM
113-63 final.

20-22 from the free-throw line :)

Lebron23
08-25-2007, 08:51 PM
USA 113- Canada 63


USA Canada

24/41 (59%) 2-POINTERS 16/49 (33%)
15/30 (50%) 3-POINTERS 5/15 (33%)
20/22 (91%) FREE THROWS 16/18 (89%)
13 FOULS 16
10 STEALS 7
9 TURNOVERS 16
10 OFF. REBOUNDS 10
33 DEF. REBOUNDS 23
54 BIGGEST LEAD 1
19 BIGGEST RUN 7


Nice game by Carmelo Anthony who have 25 Points and Michael Redd who chipped in 19 points for the Americans.

USA Team lead their bracket 3-0, The Americans will face a tougher competition as they will be facing Leandro Barbosa and his Brazilian Squad next game.

http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/teamPlay/play/p/competitioncode//eventid/3965/langid/1/langlc/en/playernumber/49173/roundid/3965/searchstr//season//teamnumber/379/fe_teamPlay_playStat.html


Carmelo Lead the USA in Scoring averaging 21.3 PPG

Lebron23
08-25-2007, 09:32 PM
Individual stats of team USA ( 3 games)

Kobe Bryant

12.7 PPG
2.3 RPG
3.0 APG
1.6 SPG
0.3 BPG

LeBron James

9.7 PPG
4.0 RPG
4.0 APG
2.0 SPG

Carmelo Anthony

21.3 PPG
4.7 RPG
1.7 APG
0.6 SPG
0.6 BPG

Jason Kidd

1.0 PPG
3.3 RPG
4.3 APG
1.0 SPG

Chauncey Billups

4.7 PPG
1.0 RPG
2.7 APG
1.6 SPG

Michael Redd

19.3 PPG
2.0 RPG
2.3 APG
1.0 SPG

Mike Miller

11.0 PPG
2.7 RPG
0.3 APG
1.3 SPG

Dwight Howard

9.7 PPG
5.7 RPG
0.0 APG
0.6 SPG
2.3 BPG

Amare Stoudemire

13.7 PPG
3.7 RPG
1.0 APG
0.3 SPG
1.0 BPG

ajaxballer
08-25-2007, 09:32 PM
Do only the top two teams of each pool advance?
Oh and my comment about the Canada/u.s game is
I think the U.S gave it to Canada because Canada
came out pretty strong in the 1st quarter. After
the first quarter when Canada was down 3, the u.s
tightened up their defense and blew away with the game.

JGX
08-25-2007, 10:13 PM
Four teams advance from each pool, but records carry over.

L8DBACK
08-25-2007, 11:15 PM
USA wins 123-59.

It might have been better if we started off by playing the better teams...they might be overconfident after the these two easy games and have trouble with Canada and Brazil as a result.

It seems Canada was the one who had the trouble with the USA!;)

L8DBACK
08-25-2007, 11:46 PM
Uhmmm....., Canada lost to Brazil, 75-67 (8 points margin) and USA beat Canada 113-63 (50 points margin). This USA team is far better than the previous USA teams. With the addition of Redd & Miller definitely improved their outside shooting. With Kidd the leading their play, this team will definitely be hard to beat! :D

alermac
08-26-2007, 01:52 AM
Brazil closely beat Virgin Islands, 93-89.

JGX
08-26-2007, 02:36 AM
Uruguay over Puerto Rico 82-79 after trailing by 17 at halftime. Second big comeback win for Uruguay, after a similar game against Panama. Batista had 34 points and 15 rebounds. Puerto Rico had 28 turnovers. Looks like the third straight bad summer for PR...

So does Argentina throw the game against Panama tomorrow to try and eliminate Puerto Rico?

alermac
08-26-2007, 02:53 AM
So does Argentina throw the game against Panama tomorrow to try and eliminate Puerto Rico?
That would be foolish, because if so Argentina would drag that loss agains Panama into the second round.

Right now, Puerto Rico doesn't seem to be able to get higher than the 5th position, except for weird second round results.

JGX
08-26-2007, 03:00 AM
Sure it would be foolish, but it would also be funny :D

L8DBACK
08-26-2007, 04:28 AM
My prediction: USA 126, Brazil 68 :cool:

Lebron23
08-26-2007, 10:58 AM
2007 FIBA Americas Tournament


FIBA Americas | Aug 22 - Sept 2, 2007

THe FIBA Tournament of the Americas championship has started. Hit InsideHoops.com every day. Key info is at the top of this page. Scroll down for more about the tournament, its importance, what happens to the winners and the teams that come close, and more.

FIBA AMERICAS TOURNAMENT STANDINGS
Includes Aug. 25 games

GROUP A:
Argentina 3-0
Uruguay 2-1
Mexico 1-2
Panama 1-2
Puerto Rico 1-3
GROUP B:
USA 3-0
Brazil 3-0
Canada 2-2
Virgin Islands 0-3
Venezuela 0-3




AMERICAS TOURNAMENT PLAYER STAT LEADERS

Includes Aug. 25 games

POINTS PER GAME (PPG):
1) 'Leandrinho' BARBOSA (BRA) 27
2) Esteban BATISTA (URU) 22.3
3) Carmelo ANTHONY (USA) 21.3
4) Romel Roberto BECK CASTRO (MEX) 21
5) Michael REDD (USA) 19.3
6) Héctor ROMERO (VEN) 18.3
7) Danilo PINNOCK (PAN) 18
8) Jaime LLOREDA (PAN) 17.7
9) Jason EDWIN (ISV) 17.3
10) Victor MARISCAL MATA (MEX) 17.3
11) Luis SCOLA (ARG) 16.3

REBOUNDS PER GAME (RPG):
1) Esteban BATISTA (URU) 14.3
2) Angelo REYES (PUR) 9.2
3) Antonio GARCIA (PAN) 9
4) Luis SCOLA (ARG) 8.3
5) Danilo PINNOCK (PAN) 7.3
6) Peter RAMOS (PUR) 7.2
7) Samuel Davis DALEMBERT (CAN) 7
8) Carlos DELFINO (ARG) 7
9) Jaime LLOREDA (PAN) 7
10) Tayshaun PRINCE (USA) 6.7

ASSISTS PER GAME (APG):
1) Valter DA SILVA (BRA) 7
2) Jermaine ANDERSON (CAN) 5
3) Pablo PRIGIONI (ARG) 5
4) Jason KIDD (USA) 4.3
5) Carlos ARROYO (PUR) 4
6) Carlos DELFINO (ARG) 4
7) Lebron JAMES (USA) 4
8) Nicolas MAZZARINO (URU) 3.7
9) Luis SCOLA (ARG) 3.7
10) Deron Michael WILLIAMS (USA) 3.7
11) Jose BAREA (PUR) 3.5


GAME SCHEDULE AND RESULTS

All times PT (Pacific Time)

August 22

Uruguay 88 vs. Panama 84 (Overtime) -- USA Basketball reports: Jaime Lloreda connected on seven-of-10 field goals and tallied 15 first-half points, helping to build a 45-34 lead for his club by the intermission. The key shot of the half, however, was a three-pointer by Leandro Garcia of Uruguay as the first-half buzzer sounded. Building on that momentum, Uruguay outscored Panama 24-to-11 in the third quarter to not only get back in the game, but to take a 58-56 lead heading into the final stanza... Uruguay's Esteban Batista notched a game high 26 points, while Lloreda paced Panama with 21.

Mexico 100 vs. Puerto Rico 89 -- USA Basketball reports: Mexico's hot shooting continued throughout the first half (54 percent from the field), and behind 22 points from Victor Mariscal, they opened up a 57-45 lead by the break. Puerto Rico rallied in the third quarter and even took a lead during the fourth, but Mexico would not be denied... Llamas would finish with 18 points while Mariscal logged a game high 30 as Mexico triumphed 100-89.

Brazil 75 vs. Canada 67 -- USA Basketball reports: Facing a 25-12 deficit after one period of play, Canada would make some noise. Juan Mendez's hot hand in the second stanza (five-of-seven from the field), helped pull the Canadians to within three points at the half, 36-33. The second half would once again belong to Leandro Barbosa, who finished with a game high 30 points. Adding 12 points and nine rebounds was forward Tiago Splitter, who was a factor inside all night. Samuel Dalembert tallied 10 points and 10 rebounds for the Canadians while Mendez finished with 18 points in a losing effort.

USA 112 vs. Venezuela 69 -- USA Basketball reports: The USA employed a balanced attack, with seven players scoring in double digits. Carmelo Anthony and Michael Redd led the United States with 17 apiece. The USA also dominated inside, outscoring the Venezuelans 58-14 in the paint. Defensively, Dwight Howard led the USA with three blocks while Kobe Bryant and LeBron James teamed for 6 steals... Greivis Vasquez led Venezuela with 12 points.

August 23

Puerto Rico 108 vs. Panama 67 -- USA Basketball reports: Back-to-back three-pointers from Elias Ayuso and Ricardo Sanchez to start the game helped fuel Puerto Rico’s 12-0 opening run – a run from which Panama never recovered. Puerto Rico had five players score in double figures as they rolled to a 108-67 victory.

Canada 80 vs. Venezuela 73 -- USA Basketball reports: In a back-and-forth affair in which the lead never crept above seven points, it was Samuel Dalembert’s conversion of a layup in traffic and the free throw to boot with 1:32 remaining that put Canada up to stay, as they held off Venezuela 80-73. The 6’11’’ Dalembert tallied a team-best 18 points and added eight rebounds and five blocks for Canada, which now stands at 1-1 in tournament play.

Argentina 90 vs. Uruguay 69 -- USA Basketball reports: Day two action at Thomas & Mack Center for the FIBA Americas Championship 2007 kicked off as Uruguay, fresh off its’ opening day overtime victory over Panama (88-84), took the floor against Argentina. The well-rested Argentines got on the board first when Luis Scola followed a Carlos Delfino miss with a tip-in, giving Argentina a 2-0 lead. Slowly but surely, Scola and co. padded their lead, eventually emerging with a 90-69 victory... Scola, who finished with 16 points, six rebounds, four assists and two steals, was the most impressive performer.

USA 123 vs. Virgin Islands 59 -- USA Basketball reports: LeBron James’ thunderous baseline dunk with just over seven minutes remaining in the first quarter might have been the signature play of the period, but it was the quick 15 points Michael Redd racked up that helped the USA build an early lead which the U.S. Virgin Islands would never challenge. The USA coasted for the second consecutive night, this time by a final score of 123-59. The 42-point outburst by the USA in the opening stanza was fueled by Redd’s fluid stroke, as the sharpshooting guard hit three-of-four three-pointers in the period before ultimately finishing with a game high 22 points. Carmelo Anthony also tallied 22 for the winners.

August 24

Panama 95 vs. Mexico 90 -- USA Basketball reports: The back-and-forth affair wasn’t decided until the final minute, when missed three-pointers and made free throws would prove to be the difference... J.R. Pinnock’s game-high 30 points led the victors, who also got strong contributions from Jamie Lloreda (19 points) and Enrique Garcia (13 rebounds). Roberto Beck’s 20 points were tops for Mexico, which fell to 1-1 in tournament play.

Canada 93 vs. Virgin Islands 83 -- USA Basketball reports: The Canadians would get their legs, however, and behind Juan Mendez's 22 points, Leo Rautins' squad held off the Virgin Islands 93-83... Jason Edwin connected on six-of-eight from distance and as a team, the Virgin Islands shot 13-of-24 from beyond the arc (54 percent)... Jason Edwin's 26 points led the Virgin Islands, which fell to 0-2. Alphonso Sheppard added 23 for the Virgin Islands in defeat.

Argentina 87 vs. Puerto Rico 75 -- USA Basketball reports: Luis Scola was impressive once again, tallying 22 points and 11 rebounds for the Argentines, who also got 15 points from Carlos Delfino. Elias Ayuso led Puerto Rico with 21 points while Carlos Arroyo chipped in with 20. The contest was closer than the final margin of victory would indicate, as Puerto Rico actually led by as many as 14 points in the first half.

Brazil 101 vs. Venezuela 75 -- USA Basketball reports: Marcelo Machado got Brazil on the right track by scoring 11 of his team high 20 points in the first quarter while going 3-of-4 from three point range... After a slow first half where he was held to just three points, the Phoenix Suns' Leandro Barbosa turned it on and chipped in 12 second half points to help seal the victory for Brazil. Hector Romero led Venezuela with 21 points which drops to (0-3) in the tournament.

August 25

USA 113 vs. Canada 63 -- USA Basketball reports: The United States remained perfect at the FIBA Americas 2007 Championship, coasting to a 113-63 victory over Canada on Saturday afternoon. Winning its first three contests by an average of 52 points, the United States has yet to be challenged and now owns a 3-0 mark in tournament play. Carmelo Anthony's 12 first quarter points on five-of-five shooting from the field helped the USA get off to a hot start, but Canada's 10-2 run to close the period made it a 28-21 score... Seven (Team USA) players would score in double figures and crisp passing always seemed to get the ball into the hands of an open shooter... Anthony finished with a game-high 25 points. Pacing Canada with 17 markers was Olu Famutimi.

Brazil 93 vs. Virgin Islands 89 -- USA Basketball reports: Brazil survived a scare from the U.S. Virgin Islands in the second game of the day at Thomas & Mack Center, trailing by as many as 12 points before rallying late in the third quarter to take control of the game... Leandro Barboa scored 20 of his game-high 36 points in the second half, increasing his average to 27.0 points in the tournament.

Uruguay 82 vs. Puerto Rico 79 -- USA Basketball reports: Esteban Batista's 34 points and 15 rebounds led Uruguay past Puerto Rico 82-79 on Saturday night at Thomas & Mack Center... Puerto Rico, which led by as many as 19 points earlier in the contest, held a 61-53 advantage heading to the fourth quarter... Jose Barea, who returned tonight from a two-game suspension, led Puerto Rico with 18 points.

Argentina 104 vs. Mexico 83 -- USA Basketball reports: Tied at 23 apiece after one quarter of play, Argentina began to distance itself in the second, thanks to a hot-shooting Paolo Quinteros... Carlos Delfino led Argentina with 20 points while Quinteros added 18. Roberto Beck tallied 24 points for Mexico in defeat.

August 26

13:00 Venezuela vs Virgin Islands
15:30 Mexico vs Uruguay
18:00 Brazil vs United States of America
21:00 Panama vs Argentina

Rest of schedule to be determined by above results.

Sept. 1:
1:00 p.m. Game S1: Medal Quarterfinal #1 finisher vs. Medal Quarterfinal #4 finisher
4.00 p.m. Game S2: Medal Quarterfinal #2 finisher vs. Medal Quarterfinal #3 finisher

Sept. 2:
1:00 p.m. Bronze Medal Game: Loser S1 - Loser S2
4:00 p.m. Gold Medal Game: Winner S1 - Winner S2


FIBA Americas announced back in October of 2006 that USA Basketball and Las Vegas, Nevada, have been selected to host the FIBA Americas Championship 2007. The tournament, one of five FIBA Olympic qualifying zone tournaments, will determine the two men's teams from the Americas zone who will earn qualifying berths for the 2008 Olympic men's basketball competition.

The 10 team championship is scheduled to be played Aug. 22 through Sept. 2, 2007, with all games being held at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas' Thomas & Mack Center.

"We're excited and honored to have been selected to host this prestigious and important international basketball competition. Holding it in Las Vegas will help make this a memorable championship. This will be an incredible international event for basketball fans in Las Vegas and the surrounding areas," said Jerry Colangelo, managing director of USA Basketball's Senior National Team program, in October of 2006 when the news that the event would be hosted in Las Vegas was announced.

Ten men's teams from North America, South America, Central America and the Caribbean will participate in the FIBA Americas Championship 2007. The top two finishers will earn a qualification spot for the 2008 Olympic Games that are being held Aug. 8-24 in Beijing, China, while the third, fourth and fifth place finishers will qualify for the 12 team 2008 FIBA ( International Basketball Federation) Olympic Qualifying Tournament (June 7-13, 2008, site TBD) that will qualify the top three finishers for the 2008 Olympics.

The FIBA Americas Championship 2007 will feature 40 games in 12 days. The United States, as the host country, and Canada as the North America representative have qualified, the four teams from Central America and the Caribbean include Mexico, Panama, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands, while the four teams from South America include Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay and Venezuela.

The FIBA Americas Championship 2007 will be conducted in three phases. The first phase features the 10 teams divided into two groups of five teams each for the First Round. The teams will play round robin within their groups over five days, with each team scheduled for one day off during the First Round.

After conclusion of the First Round and establishing first to fifth places for each group, the top four finishers in each First Round group will advance to the Second Round. Teams finishing in the fifth position will conclude their participation in the tournament. The top four finishing teams of Group A and Group B will then form a single Second Round group, transferring the results obtained in the games played against each other in the first phase.

In the Second Round, each team will play against the four advancing teams from the other First Round group. At the conclusion of the Second Round, the top six placed teams will advance to the third phase and the bottom four teams will conclude their participation in the tournament.

In accordance with the standings after conclusion of the Second Round, the semifinals will feature the No. 1 ranked team playing the No. 4 team, while the No. 2 ranked team will face the No. 3 ranked team. The losers in the semifinals will play for third position and the semifinals winners will play for first and second places.

The three zones of the Americas are: North America, Central America and the Carribean, and South America.


TEAMS IN THE TOURNAMENT (ZONE)

United States (North America, Host Country)
Canada (North America)
Argentina (South America)
Brazil (South America)
Uruguay(South America)
Venezuela (South America)
Mexico (Central America and Caribbean)
Panama (Central America and Caribbean)
Puerto Rico (Central America and Caribbean)
U.S. Virgin Islands (Central America and Caribbean)


TEAM GROUPINGS

Group A: Argentina, Mexico, Panama, United States, Uruguay
Group B: Brazil, Canada, United States, US Virgin Islands, Venezuela


GENERAL SCHEDULE

First Round: August 22 - August 26
Second Round: August 27 - August 31
Semi-finals: September 1
Finals: September 2


TEAM USA-ONLY SCHEDULE

Aug. 22: vs. Venezuela
Aug. 23: vs. US Virgin Islands
Aug. 25: vs. Canada
Aug. 26: vs. Brazil
Aug. 27-30: Second Round
Sept 1: Semifinals
Sept 2: Finals

Picek
08-26-2007, 02:39 PM
My prediction: USA 126, Brazil 68 :cool:so, nothing has changed after the last few competitions..
US fans are still the cockiest fans around :rolleyes:

Phantim3dx
08-26-2007, 05:01 PM
i wouldnt consider us cocky seeing how some euros here have jsut downright hatred for team usa and its fans.

Picek
08-26-2007, 05:36 PM
i wouldnt consider us cocky seeing how some euros here have jsut downright hatred for team usa and its fans.
I wouldn't go so far and call that hate..
but a lot of bball fans just doesn't like your team because the entire team thinks of itself as they are godgiven and noone likes that kind of cocky attitude..

Srle
08-26-2007, 07:42 PM
Batista from Uruguy should move to Europe. That boy is a good player.

LFGC79
08-26-2007, 08:54 PM
I wouldn't go so far and call that hate..
but a lot of bball fans just doesn't like your team because the entire team thinks of itself as they are godgiven and noone likes that kind of cocky attitude..

Not only Europeans think that.:)

JGX
08-27-2007, 12:39 AM
Enough about cocky US fans, can we get back to Puerto Rico and their 1-3 record? At least they can still improve upon their 7th-place finish in 2005 :p

Entertaining game between Venezuela and Virgin Islands earlier, Romero and Vasquez almost with triple-doubles for Venezuela (almost a quadruple-double for Vasquez...9 turnovers :)), while Edwin had another big game for the USVI.

Uruguay with another win over Mexico...would be nice to see a "surprise" team at least make the qualifying tournament.

J-Mart
08-27-2007, 12:53 AM
Carlos Arroyo has the chance to be the best Puertorrican born player to ever play basketball and he is throwing the chance down the toilet :rolleyes:

alermac
08-27-2007, 12:54 AM
Uruguay with another win over Mexico...would be nice to see a "surprise" team at least make the qualifying tournament.
At this point, I have to say Uruguay is my candidate to get the fifth spot.

LFGC79
08-27-2007, 01:17 AM
Enough about cocky US fans, can we get back to Puerto Rico and their 1-3 record? At least they can still improve upon their 7th-place finish in 2005 :p

Entertaining game between Venezuela and Virgin Islands earlier, Romero and Vasquez almost with triple-doubles for Venezuela (almost a quadruple-double for Vasquez...9 turnovers :)), while Edwin had another big game for the USVI.

Uruguay with another win over Mexico...would be nice to see a "surprise" team at least make the qualifying tournament.

I think our game in Athens scarred you for life :p

LFGC79
08-27-2007, 01:18 AM
I think Brazil has done some good moves but USA is on fire. When Brazil passes the ball inside they get the best of the defense, hope they would spot some 3pt shooters.

JGX
08-27-2007, 01:30 AM
USA defense still sucks, hopefully they'll step it up.

JGX
08-27-2007, 01:40 AM
I think our game in Athens scarred you for life :p

Looks like it scarred Puerto Rico for life, it's been straight downhill for the PR program since that game :p ;)

JGX
08-27-2007, 01:57 AM
Better defense from the US the last 5 minutes of the half. And as always, Brazil's defense is worse.

57-38 at halftime.

LFGC79
08-27-2007, 01:59 AM
Looks like it scarred Puerto Rico for life, it's been straight downhill for the PR program since that game :p ;)

No doubt USA will get their gold medal, they are a great team.
We are having problems no doubt, however we are not the only ones.
The USA will get a gold medal in this tournament, only in this regional tournament is where they can do it. Last gold medal in a major tournament Sydney 2000. Very long time. Good luck in China 2000:p

L8DBACK
08-27-2007, 02:10 AM
Is it true that there is much in-fighting among the staff & players?:confused: Puerto Rico may need some overhauling in their basketball program. As the USA is trying to regain their supremacy in the basketball world, Puerto Rico is sliding down as well.

LFGC79
08-27-2007, 02:36 AM
Is it true that there is much in-fighting among the staff & players?:confused: Puerto Rico may need some overhauling in their basketball program. As the USA is trying to regain their supremacy in the basketball world, Puerto Rico is sliding down as well.

Yes I agree. USA team is much more mature and with excellent defense. The addition of Jason Kidd was paramount. Overhauling is an understatement. We need to get rid of the manager, the coach, the coaching staff, a few players, even the desks and chairs at the federation. But to be honest I dont think the federation has the balls of even firing the coach.

JGX
08-27-2007, 02:38 AM
39-11 third quarter, I guess they heard me complaining about the defense. Offense is pretty good too :D

Nice to see LeBron asserting himself offensively, he has been too passive in previous international play.

Amazing how similar the scores of the US games have been after three quarters:

vs. Venezuela: 92-51
vs. Virgin Islands: 94-50
vs. Canada: 95-49
vs. Brazil: 96-49

L8DBACK
08-27-2007, 02:38 AM
USA defense still sucks, hopefully they'll step it up.
USA is killing Brazil as I'm typing! Its raining three's!

bman
08-27-2007, 02:45 AM
Wow, what a thrashing. I certainly didn't expect this big of a margin.

The question now becomes, can Argentina fare any better?

JGX
08-27-2007, 03:00 AM
Wow, Brazil's scrubs dominated the US scrubs :)

113-76 final.

USA vs. Puerto Rico (probably) tomorrow, despite my joking PR always gives the US trouble, it may be a closer game.

L8DBACK
08-27-2007, 03:03 AM
USA crushed Brazil 113-76. Brazil's top scorer shut downed to 4 points. Bryant's defense really did it to him. I guess if you shut down their scoring machine everything else follows.:)

L8DBACK
08-27-2007, 03:10 AM
so, nothing has changed after the last few competitions..
US fans are still the cockiest fans around :rolleyes:

You may think I'm cocky, well the results shows. USA 113 Brazil 76. Brazil's top scorer scored 4 points in the entire game. USA's three's were raining down on Brazil. They need to bring their veterans back for 2008.

Lebron23
08-27-2007, 03:12 AM
USA def. Brazil, 113-76

Best Players of the Game:

(Offense) Lebron James 21 Points

(Defense) Kobe Bryant 20 Points


USA still undefeated at 4-0 advance into the next round

Lebron23
08-27-2007, 03:24 AM
http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/10/groupname/B/langid//langlc//roundid/5730/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html

Box Score USA vs. Brazil

Lebron James 21 Points, 2 steals, 5 assists and 2 rebounds

Carmelo Anthony 21 Points, 10 Rebounds

Kobe Bryant 20 Points, 2 rebounds, 2 steals and 1 steal

Srle
08-27-2007, 03:25 AM
USA made run when Spliter was substituted. He was nice with Nene in first quarter.

Lebron23
08-27-2007, 03:43 AM
Tayshaun Prince Sprained his Ankle


LAS VEGAS -- Tayshaun Prince sprained his left ankle in the first quarter of the United States' 113-67 win over Brazil on Sunday night in the FIBA Americas tournament.

The 6-foot-9 forward for the Detroit Pistons fell and stayed on the floor after going for a defensive rebound late in the first quarter. He was attended to for about a minute and then helped off the court. He gingerly walked to the locker room.

A team spokesman said team doctors decided Prince would not return to the game as a precautionary measure and he would be reevaluated Monday.

Prince averaged 5.3 points and 6.3 rebounds in the United States first three games in the tournament that decides two berths in the Beijing Olympics.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=2992420

JGX
08-27-2007, 05:31 AM
Panama ahead 63-59 after the third quarter...

Argentina scored 30 points in the first quarter, 29 in the next two. They're looking a little ratted, arguing with the officials, picked up a technical foul late in the quarter.

Forbes has been huge for Panama, I wish he would play like that for UMass.

JGX
08-27-2007, 05:47 AM
79-72 Panama with 2:35 left...

JGX
08-27-2007, 05:52 AM
81-81 with 58 seconds left, Scola going to the line, Panama totally letting this slip away.

JGX
08-27-2007, 05:59 AM
Headed to overtime at 85-85, Forbes misses a three with 3 seconds left, Prigioni's long shot at the buzzer doesn't miss by much.

Second game Panama has blown this tournament, maybe they can pull this out in OT though.

Lloreda and Scola have both fouled out.

JGX
08-27-2007, 06:11 AM
Argentina runs away in OT, 109-92, that's 41 points for Argentina in the last 8 minutes of the game.

Argies forced some turnovers with a fullcourt press late in regulation, but the real key was going to a box-and-one on Pinnock, totally shut down Panama's halfcourt offense.

bman
08-27-2007, 06:13 AM
What a game.

LFGC79
08-27-2007, 12:46 PM
USA vs. Puerto Rico (probably) tomorrow, despite my joking PR always gives the US trouble, it may be a closer game.

We will lose by the biggest point differential in the whole tournament. The only balls our players have are the FIBA basketaballs.

J-Mart
08-27-2007, 06:13 PM
I think most of the puertorricans (including myself) would have prefered to be eliminated right away than to continue with this humilliating performance :D

I would be really mad if I could watch the games :cool:

LFGC79
08-27-2007, 09:18 PM
I think most of the puertorricans (including myself) would have prefered to be eliminated right away than to continue with this humilliating performance :D

I would be really mad if I could watch the games :cool:


I agree this is torture.

JGX
08-28-2007, 01:04 AM
I was off on the schedule, Puerto Rico plays Brazil tonight, USA plays Mexico.

PR off to a good start, leading 27-19 in the second quarter.

JGX
08-28-2007, 02:31 AM
Puerto Rico wins big, 97-75. They actually played defense!

Yeah, this would be about the point in the tournament where Brazil starts to fall apart.

JGX
08-28-2007, 03:31 AM
45 points in the first quarter for the US...

carlosGC
08-28-2007, 03:42 AM
Puerto Rico wins big, 97-75. They actually played defense!

Yeah, this would be about the point in the tournament where Brazil starts to fall apart.


This doesn't surprise me. :D :) Puerto Rico terribly underperformed in group A. Too bad for Brazil.

JGX
08-28-2007, 03:55 AM
Terrible second quarter for the US...need to play defense for 40 minutes...

JGX
08-28-2007, 04:57 AM
USA wins 127-100...very poor after the first quarter IMO. The remaining opponents will take some hope from this game as Mexico got tons of layups and open threes.

What other famous international game ended 127-100?

Lebron23
08-28-2007, 05:25 AM
USA Def. Mexico 127-120

Players of the Game

Carmelo Anthony 28 Points, 3 Assists and 5 rebounds
Lebron James 19 Points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists
Kobe Bryant 21 Points, 3 rebounds
Dwight Howard 19 Points 4 rebounds

Team USA play a sloppy game but what matters most is that they beat the mexican. Overalll consistent game coming from Carmelo Anthony, Kobe Bryant and Lebron James.

I think team USA are just reserving their energy because i predict they want to destroy argentina in the FINALS.

DanMajerle
08-28-2007, 08:35 AM
Wow, I can't believe how dumb the Brazilins are. They have Argentina coming with their second team, Brazil himself having all the stars and only two places that qualify for Olympia.
And what are they doing? Having all the talent in the world they are playing the same unorganized shit as before and Leandrinho doing his big ego show which obviously hurts the team. What a chance they are missing but like that they will never reach the second round in a big tournament like Olympics or World Championships.

Waneko
08-28-2007, 12:40 PM
Wow, I can't believe how dumb the Brazilins are. They have Argentina coming with their second team, Brazil himself having all the stars and only two places that qualify for Olympia.
And what are they doing? Having all the talent in the world they are playing the same unorganized shit as before and Leandrinho doing his big ego show which obviously hurts the team. What a chance they are missing but like that they will never reach the second round in a big tournament like Olympics or World Championships.

Unfortunately for them Marcello couldn't throw the ball in the ocean and Nene was in foul trouble. Tiago's game was off too. After them, well they don't seem to have too much depth.

ajaxballer
08-28-2007, 01:50 PM
Canada defeats Uruguay 95-88 and is now 3 rd overall in
the standings. Canada got a BIG break when brazil lost
but i expect us to lose to Argentina and Brazil to beat
Mexico today. Looking forward I expect Canada to beat
mexico in its thrid game and brazil to lose to argentina,
Canada and brazil have two tough final games aswell,
Canada will face Puerto rico and Brazil will face Uruguay.
I'm hoping for a 3 rd place finish for Canada so i'm hoping
we can match the Brazlians or for some upsets.

L8DBACK
08-28-2007, 04:34 PM
Team USA play a sloppy game but what matters most is that they beat the mexican. Overalll consistent game coming from Carmelo Anthony, Kobe Bryant and Lebron James.

I think team USA are just reserving their energy because i predict they want to destroy argentina in the FINALS.

Coach K have mixed up the starting lineup and the substitution pattern, but the end result was the same as the USA Team and went on to easily down Mexico.

"To Mexico's credit, they never gave up. They just played every second of the game. For us, we need to move on. We've played great in this tournament. We can play better than we played tonight. But, when we win by 30, I'm not going to complain. That's a good thing," Krzyzewski said.

"We could have gone zone early," Krzyzewski continued. "We could have done some trapping. One of the things about playing game after game like this, in kind of a crazy format, is that you don't practice. So, sometimes you let things go in a game like this that you would not let go in a close game, so that you would keep going on it. So, that is how we have tried to do it."

The way I see it IMHO, the USA Team didn't play with all the intensity they needed to put away Mexico for good in the first half. They knew that they can easily beat Mexico. The USA Team was using their second team players with the regular starters to see how well each players performed. Believe me, tonight when they play against Puerto Rico tonight, you will see them play superbly as they did with Canada & Brazil. Prediction: USA wins by 30 points. For Argentina, they will never know what hit them!:eek: :D:rolleyes:

LFGC79
08-29-2007, 01:39 AM
Uruguay lost but at the second half was similar to the game against PR, but venezuela hanged in there.

JGX
08-29-2007, 03:46 AM
USA cooking in the second quarter after a slow start, 59-27 at halftime. Playing better defense but also PR can't hit anything.

To make this tournament more entertaining we should choose a different player to score 50 points each night.

JGX
08-29-2007, 04:49 AM
117-78 final. Let's get in the habit of playing good defense for 40 minutes.

Where is Michael Redd's shot? 2-14 from three the last two games after 16-31 in the first round.

Lebron23
08-29-2007, 05:08 AM
USA def. Puerto Rico 117-78, great overall game for the americans epecially holding down the Puerto Ricans in the middle of the 2nd half. The Americans shoots very well from the outside and great ball movement in the early part of the game. Another Consistent ball game from Melo, Lebron and Kobe Bryant bounce back playing excellent defense in this game.


http://english.people.com.cn/200608/28/images/0827_B28.jpg

Best Player of the Game: Lebron James 21 Points, 4 rebounds and 4 assists.

Lebron's Tournament Avg: 15 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 4.3 APG

http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/teamPlay/play/p/competitioncode//eventid/3965/langid/1/langlc/en/playernumber/48642/roundid/3965/searchstr//season//teamnumber/379/fe_teamPlay_playStat.html

L8DBACK
08-29-2007, 03:01 PM
Where is Michael Redd's shot? 2-14 from three the last two games after 16-31 in the first round.

He's saving it for the game against Argentina. ;)

calle13
08-29-2007, 06:26 PM
Kobe Bryant had trouble defending last night he even got into foul trouble against Larry Ayuso and had to go to the bench.. he's offense was very good though. Argentina won't be much trouble to USA i think they depend on Luis Scola to much also they are missing like 2-3 key players like Ginobili.

DanMajerle
08-29-2007, 07:03 PM
Actually, they're missing their brain (Sanchez), their Go to Guy (Ginobili) and their heart (Nocioni, Oberto). Well, and their Aragon (Walter Herrmann):D .

guilherme.rcf
08-30-2007, 12:09 AM
Brazil VS Argentina today.

If Brazil wins, we play against the same Argentina in the semi final.

LFGC79
08-30-2007, 02:26 AM
I have many brazilian friends, but i have to root for argentina.
If argentina wins today, PR wins against canada we make fourth and face USA in the semifinals.
If uruguay beats brazil tomorrow and PR beats Canada we make it 3rd and play against ARG in the semis with a chance to make it to the final ( quatruple tie we have currently the goal average dominated) Can leandinho give his fifth foul in the overtime please.:p
who would have thought it.

Lebron23
08-30-2007, 02:57 AM
URU - Espasandin takes blame as Uruguay slip up


LAS VEGAS (FIBA Americas Championship) - Uruguay coach Alberto Espasandin took the blame for his team's dismal performance against Venezuela on Tuesday.

The 88-79 setback has left the Uruguayans with three wins and three defeats, and they will be underdogs going into clashes against the United States and Brazil.

Espasandin said: "I've failed to relay the importance of this game to my players. This was a very important game for us and Venezuela played intelligently during the whole game.

"Now, we have to focus on tomorrow's game (against the United States) and then on the Brazil game."

It's hard to see how Uruguay might beat the United States, who have been brushing aside opposition so far.

The Americans are loaded with NBA talent.


"The game against the United States will be an unforgettable experience," Espasandin said.

http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/news/lateNews/p/newsid/21777/FE_news_lateNews_arti.html

Well it seems like the Uruguayan Coach already thrown in the towel before the game starts. It would definitely be a memorable ball game as the USA will probably use this one as a drill in preparation for their upcoming games againts the Argentinians.

JGX
08-30-2007, 03:04 AM
Carmelo Anthony not expected to play tonight after a minor injury against Puerto Rico.

JGX
08-30-2007, 03:50 AM
LeBron decides he'll just have to score for himself and Melo:

26 points on 11-11 FG in the first half.

Uruguay had the starters on the bench for a long time in the second quarter, they may be saving themselves for the Brazil game tomorrow.

Leahmic223
08-30-2007, 03:53 AM
LeBron decides he'll just have to score for himself and Melo:

26 points on 11-11 FG in the first half.

Uruguay had the starters on the bench for a long time in the second quarter, they may be saving themselves for the Brazil game tomorrow.


Lol smart decision...

JGX
08-30-2007, 04:43 AM
118-79 final, most of the top US players did not play in the second half.

Lebron23
08-30-2007, 04:45 AM
I heard Esteban batista is a free agent he also impresses me in this tournament.

Anyway great game for Lebron James that was the best 14 minutes of basketball that i have ever seen in my life. I would have no doubt that Lebron James can score 89 Points in an NBA game the way he is now developing his jumpshoots.

26 Points
11/11 FG's ( FIBA Record)
4 Assists
4/4 ( 3 pt. line)
2 Steals

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/jamesmv4.jpg

All Hail King James

Final Score: USA 118-79 URUGUAY, their Starting unit did not play a single minute in the entire 2nd Half.

http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/scheResu/p/eventid/3965/gamename/12/groupname/X/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/5731/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html


Well another dominating performance for the americans in the 1st half lebron james is hitting some nice jumpers from the outside. All i can say is i want to sleep right now and cherish the success of Lebron James.

Great game for Team USA and tomorrow they will be facing Argentina in the last day of the quarter final round.

LFGC79
08-30-2007, 02:12 PM
A win of PR over canada and uruguay over brazil will cause a 4x tie between canada brazil PR and uruguay. Goal average at the moment for teams :
PR +19
UR -4
Brz -14
Can --1
PR would be 3rd by wining vs Canada and UR winning by less than 23 against brazil , Urg would be 4th canada 5th and brazil 6th

PR wins Brazil wins
Brazil 3rd
tie between canada and PR PR would be 4th brazil 3rd

Pr loses Brzail wins

PR is out

LFGC79
08-30-2007, 03:34 PM
A win of PR over canada and uruguay over brazil will cause a 4x tie between canada brazil PR and uruguay. Goal average at the moment for teams :
PR +19
UR -4
Brz -14
Can --1
PR would be 3rd by wining vs Canada and UR winning by less than 23 against brazil , Urg would be 4th canada 5th and brazil 6th

PR wins Brazil wins
Brazil 3rd
tie between canada and PR PR would be 4th brazil 3rd

Pr loses Brzail wins

PR is out

Apparently this is wrong if there is a tie among 4 teams goal average is not used, in turn, the individual games between those teams are taken into consideration. So in the case that PR defeats Canada and Uruguay defeats Brazil Uruguay will be third and PR fourth..
In summary, there is no way for PR to end 3rd (if this is true)

LFGC79
08-30-2007, 10:04 PM
LAS VEGAS (2007 FIBA Americas Championship) - Unbeaten USA and Argentina have already booked their tickets for the Semi-Finals of the FIBA Americas Championship, and who will finish first and second in Group X will be decided in tonight’s clash of both teams. But for the remainder of the teams, there is still a big question mark, which teams will be able to reach the Semi-Finals and a lot of scenarios are possible.



According to FIBA rules, if there are more than two teams with the same number of wins and losses, only the results of the games between those teams decide for the final placing in the group. The decisive games for position 3 and 4 are between Brazil and Uruguay and Puerto Rico and Canada. Mexico and Venezuela will have no chance to reach the Semi-Finals anymore. Here are all possible scenarios for today’s games:



Scenario 1 – Brazil and Canada win

Brazil would claim 3rd place and Canada 4th place, as BRA beat Canada 75 – 67 in the first round



Scenario 2 – Brazil and Puerto Rico win

Brazil would claim 3rd place, Puerto Rico would finish 4th



Scenario 3 – Uruguay and Canada win

Canada would claim 3rd place and Uruguay 4th as Uruguay would have same W-L record than Brazil but has beaten Brazil in the direct comparison



Scenario 4 – Uruguay and Puerto Rico win

That is the most complicated scenario as it would provide four teams with the same W-L record

The current situation between those teams on points scored for and against is as follows:

PUR +22 -3 = +19

CAN -8 +7 = -1

URU -7 +3 = -4

BRA -22 +8 = -14

According to this Puerto Rico is qualified, and Brazil has no chance to qualify, regardless of the results of tonight’s games.

Canada can only qualify if Uruguay and Puerto Rico win with not more than 1 point

Uruguay can qualify if they win against Brazil with more than 2 points

carlosGC
08-30-2007, 11:06 PM
You're right, Scenario 4 is wrong in that article, IMO.

I think the following is correct:

Scenario 1 – Brazil and Canada win (Brazil 3rd; Canada 4th; Uruguay 5th)
Scenario 2 – Brazil and Puerto Rico win (Brazil 3rd; Puerto Rico 4th; Canada 5th)
Scenario 3 – Canada and Uruguay win(Canada 3rd; Uruguay 4th; Brazil 5th)
Scenario 4 – Uruguay and Puerto Rico win (Uruguay 3rd; Puerto Rico 4th; Brazil 5th) 4 teams tied in points. Uruguay & PR have 2-1 record. Brazil & Canada 1-2 record. (records between tied teams).
Uruguay beat PR, thus finishes 3rd. Brazil finishes 5th (they won against Canada)

Phantim3dx
08-31-2007, 03:16 AM
oooo argentina vs usa today mmmmmmm!!!!!

LFGC79
08-31-2007, 03:27 AM
PR is fourth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

panamared
08-31-2007, 03:50 AM
First result: Uruguay 88 - Panama 84, in overtime. Esteban Batista tied the game in 75 with 1 second to go in the fourth quarter.


we made so many mistakes and especially in this game, thats the reason why we didnt advance to the next round. :mad:

guilherme.rcf
08-31-2007, 04:11 AM
Brazil has won over Uruguay and finished 3rd.

Now... no suprises. USA will beat the argentinians.

JGX
08-31-2007, 04:25 AM
28-13 USA after the first quarter...Kobe 15 points, Scola 3 fouls, Argies 10 turnovers, one of the best quarters the US has played this tournament.

LFGC79
08-31-2007, 04:25 AM
Incredible 3pt accuracy for the USA (except Mike Redd who has been very overrated in the tournament but only delivered once).

Also the fact that the referees have not called a foul in favor of the latin teams in two straight games helps:D

guilherme.rcf
08-31-2007, 05:02 AM
The USA doesn't slow down.

It's amazing to watch a basketball game like this.

Lebron23
08-31-2007, 05:20 AM
Team USA are playing exceptional basketball i hope that they can maintain the same kind of energy in the olympics.


It's amazing to watch a basketball game like this.

Definitely they will add Chris Bosh or Dwyane Wade after they completely recovered from their injury. The only missing link in the USA's lineup is that they did not have enough big men that can be a consistent rebounder for this team.

Team USA 73 - 52 Argentina to end the 3rd quarter

Leading Scorer

Kobe Bryant 25
Carmelo Anthony 17
Lebron James 11 Points, 6 rebounds and 6 Assists.

Lebron23
08-31-2007, 06:00 AM
USA def. Team Argentina

91-76, the reason the score is very close is because Team USA fielded some role players in the early part of the 4th quarter.

Best Players of the Game: Kobe Bryant 27 Points, 1 Assists,
Carmelo Anthony 18 Points
Lebron James 15 Points, 6 rebounds and 6 assists.

Jokinen
08-31-2007, 06:31 AM
This USA team might be the best EEUU team in the last years, Kobe was just amazing tonight.


the reason the score is very close is because Team USA fielded some role players in the early part of the 4th quarter.

Anyway Argentina played with backups the whole fourth quarter and most of the second

LFGC79
08-31-2007, 02:41 PM
This USA team might be the best EEUU team in the last years, Kobe was just amazing tonight.

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Anyway Argentina played with backups the whole fourth quarter and most of the second

This year for the first time ever PR had to play Caribe Basket, which is a classifier for the Americas classifier for the World Tournament. Although we won gold with our A/B squad and defeated teams in the first round by an average of 40 pts these were very inexperienced. We played the final game against Dominican Republic B squad. People were very happy that we had won gold, etc. The truth of the matter is that I was not impressed by winning against a Dominican B squad (at best) by a mere nine points.

My point is…. I am not trying to compare team USA and PR at all, as a huge fan of PR I know my teams limitations, on the other hand I also know all the great things team USA has to offer. And, although I pick silly fights with some people here about team USA, some of it is partly joking. With all respect, if you know basketball and you are a hardcore fan, in my humble opinion you have to realize that a win by 15 points to Argentina’s B squad should not be a reason to celebrate but rather a cause of concern. Additionally, if you factor in that Argentina played their bench for most of the second and fourth quarters, Scola committed 2 or 3 fouls in the first quarter and they even managed to outrebound USA by 10. It is true that Kobe Lebron and Carmelo might be the best trio in basketball at the moment, but most of the large victories against other teams have come from teams playing their benches most of the second half, resting their starters for the more important games. Lithuania, Greece, and Spain are not going to either play with a B squad or rest their starters. If you cant see this you are setting yourself up for major disappointment at big tournaments.

calle13
08-31-2007, 02:49 PM
They are amazing especially with Kobe but this wasn't the strong argentina.... they will be SO much better with Ginobili and the rest. Can't wait for the olympics to see how much better the US team performs thats when they play the really good teams like Lithunia, Greece, Argentina. LUis Scola is an amazing player he does everything... his gonna be great for Houston with Yao.

PRSURF
08-31-2007, 03:59 PM
Thanks to Kobe and Melo, USA win!

asdzas
08-31-2007, 06:05 PM
I don´t know if anybody posted it yet.

Brazilian players(all of them) decided that they will not do what brazilian head coach Lula Ferreira wants. The brazilian players, after they lost to Puerto Rico, had a meeting(only the players) and they decided that the brazilian head coach was the responsable for the way the brazilian team was playing. According to the brazilian press, the players said that Lula does not know anything about tatics, and he did not know how to make the rotation of the team. They still said that the players are deciding the tatics that the team is playing, they decided how many minutes each player will play and other stuff.
Brazilian player Marcus Vinicius said the players are all together in this decision and that they are only playing because they really want to qualify to the olympics. Lula Ferreira will probably be fired after the tournament of americas, even if the team qualifies.
In my opinion they took to long to realize that Lula was not the coach for this team.

stuart
08-31-2007, 06:09 PM
Admittedly, I am not a fan of all the dream team derivatives, but this team hasn't shown much weakness like some of the other teams have (focus, inconsistency, outside shooting).

Though this US lacks interior post play (Dwight Howard is inconsistent and Tyson Chandler is only a little better than Ben Wallace offensively), their perimeter players are just so dominant. That will probably change a little when Chris Bosh is added next year.

Stuart

J-Mart
08-31-2007, 06:45 PM
and those who thinks this team can get better with D-Wade, are crazy. Wade is not a player for international ball, and im looking forward for a game between Greece and the USA :D

L8DBACK
08-31-2007, 06:49 PM
Admittedly, I am not a fan of all the dream team derivatives, but this team hasn't shown much weakness like some of the other teams have (focus, inconsistency, outside shooting).

Though this US lacks interior post play (Dwight Howard is inconsistent and Tyson Chandler is only a little better than Ben Wallace offensively), their perimeter players are just so dominant. That will probably change a little when Chris Bosh is added next year.

What about Greg Oden? He recently had his tonsils removed. He is still in the USA Basketball roster for the Olympics in 2008.

sergioloro
08-31-2007, 07:38 PM
USA def. Team Argentina

91-76, the reason the score is very close is because Team USA fielded some role players in the early part of the 4th quarter.

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Argentina play with bench players too :p , argentinians players know how to play against USA, even this team without Gino,Chapu,Oberto,Herrman and Pepe Sanchez, take a look at Gutierrez foul against Prince, there is something argentinian players has and its call "orgullo and huevos", Gutierrez are not to allow Prince dunks in his face :cool: .
USA talent is down in the past years, or FIBA basket goes up, this team (please dont call it "dream team") has the same problem that previus USA teams, they dont know how to play a game, they have great talent but they have not idea whats going on in the court, except for Kobe or Jason.
Magic,Michael,Larry and others know everything about a basketball game, all his secrets, but this players dont, thats the real problem here, plus the contact many FIBA players with NBA players in recent years prove they are humans and not greeks gods :rolleyes: .
if Howard is the best USA center you are in big troubles, can you imagine the best Sabonis playing against this guy?? come on!!
This USA team are going to have big problems if Kobe or Jason dont play next year.

LFGC79
08-31-2007, 08:02 PM
I forgot that yesterday while I was watching the games in the afternoon some of the announcers kept announcing a win of team USA against argentina hours before the game took place. This is very uncharacteristic of NBA TV announcers who generally are very knowledgeable and poised, as where ESPN announcers (Bill Walton mainly) are completely out of tune with international basketball, as well as blind, and are talking garbage most of the time.
I did not see the end of the game but I wish I would have so I could hear their take on the game.

guilherme.rcf
08-31-2007, 10:42 PM
I don´t know if anybody posted it yet.

Brazilian players(all of them) decided that they will not do what brazilian head coach Lula Ferreira wants. The brazilian players, after they lost to Puerto Rico, had a meeting(only the players) and they decided that the brazilian head coach was the responsable for the way the brazilian team was playing. According to the brazilian press, the players said that Lula does not know anything about tatics, and he did not know how to make the rotation of the team. They still said that the players are deciding the tatics that the team is playing, they decided how many minutes each player will play and other stuff.
Brazilian player Marcus Vinicius said the players are all together in this decision and that they are only playing because they really want to qualify to the olympics. Lula Ferreira will probably be fired after the tournament of americas, even if the team qualifies.
In my opinion they took to long to realize that Lula was not the coach for this team.

This just shouldn't be happeing right now.

A video of a stupid decision of Nezinho:

http://espnbrasil.uol.com.br/videos/video.aspx?idVideo=984

He decided not to play.

Rejected to get in the game.

L8DBACK
09-01-2007, 12:17 AM
Argentina play with bench players too :p , argentinians players know how to play against USA, even this team without Gino,Chapu,Oberto,Herrman and Pepe Sanchez, take a look at Gutierrez foul against Prince, there is something argentinian players has and its call "orgullo and huevos", Gutierrez are not to allow Prince dunks in his face :cool: .
USA talent is down in the past years, or FIBA basket goes up, this team (please dont call it "dream team") has the same problem that previus USA teams, they dont know how to play a game, they have great talent but they have not idea whats going on in the court, except for Kobe or Jason.
Magic,Michael,Larry and others know everything about a basketball game, all his secrets, but this players dont, thats the real problem here, plus the contact many FIBA players with NBA players in recent years prove they are humans and not greeks gods :rolleyes: .
if Howard is the best USA center you are in big troubles, can you imagine the best Sabonis playing against this guy?? come on!!
This USA team are going to have big problems if Kobe or Jason dont play next year.

Stop whinning and move on. If they know how to play against the USA, they still lost. You've got too many "if's" beside Sabonis is history. Kobe & Kidd are committed for another year to Team USA.;)

My Predictions:

USA 110, Puerto Rico 72:cool:

Argentina 84, Brazil 98:eek:

sergioloro
09-01-2007, 03:15 PM
mmm.... we defeat USA 2 times, 2002 with a class how basketball should be play and 2004 for the Olimpic semifinal leg.
my point is Argentina NT made a decent game against USA and here we are all happy about this, because they defend our NT very well. We are the best NT in the past 4 years and that has not discussion.
the NBA players has lack of humility, and thats what makes a difference.

guilherme.rcf
09-01-2007, 08:57 PM
Very good first half for Brasil.

Everybody is playing well.

Nene is out. Injuried.

guilherme.rcf
09-01-2007, 08:57 PM
35x43 Brazil

daniab
09-01-2007, 09:34 PM
66-57 for Argentine.

Lebron23
09-01-2007, 09:37 PM
Magic says Team USA is familiar

By JAN HUBBARD
[email protected]


http://es.geocities.com/canal_nbaction/dream/dream10.jpg


LAS VEGAS — The celebrated basketball godfather sat at a courtside table surveying his descendants proudly and analytically. Earvin “Magic” Johnson watched as the latest edition of the USA national team demonstrated superiority over an international opponent, and then paid the current team the ultimate compliment.


“They remind me of us,” Johnson said.


A favorable comparison to the Dream Team would seem to be wonderful news for the beleaguered national team that has been humiliated in the last two World Championships and the 2004 Olympics. The U.S. had two bronze medals and a sixth place finish in those events despite the presence of 12 All-Star level players on each team. The Americans discovered that the old basketball cliché — great teams beat great individuals — is not a hackneyed saying.


This is a different group, however. Only three players — LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard — played on the 2006 team that lost in the World Championship semifinals to Greece. The additions of Kobe Bryant, Jason Kidd and Chauncey Billups have been profound and have elevated this team to at least be mentioned in a conversation about the only true Dream Team in history – the 1992 group that was basketball’s version of John, Paul, George and Ringo.


On the basketball planet, Magic, Michael and Larry were every bit as familiar as their famous counterparts were in the music world. Charles went from being well-known to a one-name cultural phenomenon. And the Dream Team was so dynamic and legendary that opponents enjoyed getting their autographs as much as competing with them.


But the world that Magic, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Charles Barkley, Scottie Pippen, Karl Malone, John Stockton, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Clyde Drexler and Chris Mullin competed against has changed.


The new world plays to win. That was evident again Thursday night when Argentina, the defending Olympic gold medalist, was missing five key players – including Manu Ginobili – yet played the U.S. evenly for the last three quarters of the game. The U.S. led by 15 after one quarter and won the game 91-76.


Still, the U.S. was never seriously threatened. And Magic sat at courtside, nodding his head at good plays and standing for exciting ones, like a LeBron dunk in the third quarter.


“There is a difference,” Johnson said after sitting down. “We laid it up; they dunk. They’ve got fresher, younger legs than we had.”


But he does see similarities in the two groups.


“Kobe has been like Michael as well as Scottie,” Johnson said. “Scottie always wanted to play the best scorer on the other team. It all had to start with the defense and that’s what Kobe is able to do here and tell the guys, ‘Hey, if we shut them down, then we’ll be able to play our game.’


“And then Carmelo is acting like Charles. Charles dominated for us offensively and nobody expected that. So he was our best offensive player, just like Carmelo has been doing here.


“And then Jason and LeBron are playing like I was – distributing the basketball. So they’ve got some similarities.”


What they don’t have, of course, is the legend, the titles, the experience or the gold medal. The 12 players on the current team have made 11 total appearances in the NBA Finals and have won five titles.


In 1992, the members of the Dream Team had made 19 total appearances in the Finals with 12 titles. But it was still early in their careers. They went on to a staggering 36 appearances in the Finals with 23 titles.


This team is younger, too. The Dream team had five players older than 30 and one younger than 25. The current team has two players 30 or older and six 25 or younger.


“They’re gaining experience right now,” Magic said. “This is going to be good for them and get them ready for China.”


The USA will take its final step towards qualifying for the 2008 Olympics today when it meets Puerto Rico in the semifinals of FIBA Americas qualifying tournament. Brazil and Argentina will meet in the other semifinal match. The two winners qualify for the Olympics, which makes Saturday even more important than the gold medal game on Sunday.


To validate Magic’s comparison with the Dream Team, the current group must do more than qualify, however. Nothing short of an Olympic gold medal will be acceptable.


But Magic sees some dream-like qualities in the current group. And that’s the best news USA Basketball has had in five years.


http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/220060.html

Lebron23
09-01-2007, 09:50 PM
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6572/untitledfm4.png

http://www.usabasketball.com/history/moly_1992.html

This is probably the best team ever assemble in 1992 but they could have added Dominique Wilkins and Isiah Thomas in the main roster.

Charles Barkley was the best player of the tournament While Michael Jordan is the leader of number of FG's attempted 51/113

Jordan attempted 30 more shots than the next person and had the second worst FG% on the team. His Airness is Amazing on steals though..37 stls in 8 games - average 4.6 stls/gm

LFGC79
09-01-2007, 10:41 PM
I dont think Dream Team 1 ever lost a half by 4 points.

Lebron23
09-01-2007, 10:56 PM
I dont think Dream Team 1 ever lost a half by 4 points.


Well the competition now is alot better than the 1990's and late 1990's.

Some of the teams from that era can not even handle a candle stick in todays International Ball Game.:)

JGX
09-01-2007, 11:05 PM
Argentina wins 91-80.

JGX
09-01-2007, 11:24 PM
33-27 USA after the first quarter...gotta do something about Ayuso.

J-Mart
09-01-2007, 11:25 PM
Jason Kidd is raping Puerto Rico :D

J-Mart
09-01-2007, 11:50 PM
Refs sucks :D

stuart
09-01-2007, 11:52 PM
Refs sucks :D

whats the score?

Stuart

J-Mart
09-01-2007, 11:58 PM
USA 57 - 42 Puerto Rico
Halftime

refs has been horrible for both teams.
there was a phanton foul called on Tayshawn Prince on a player who should have never been called for this tournament (Falcon) and there was a non-called Kobe traveling, non-called out of bound by Amare, a called PJ Ramos foul on Amare I think and bla bla bla...

USA is playing almost perfect, but I still think they will have trouble against a team like Greece or Argentina.

Puerto Rico came to play, the strategy was perfect by Manolo, we just had bad luck; Kidd is hitting his outside shot, refs a lil blind-sided (expected, they're playing in Vegas), our guards coming off the bench are to young to understand the concept of slowing down the game and that our big mens are too raw (Ricky and Peter), too small (Angelo) or taking this huge opportunity to make a fool out of themselves (Falcon) :D

I think Manolo played the bench way too much :rolleyes:

stuart
09-01-2007, 11:58 PM
whats the score?

Found it, 57-42 USA at the half...

Stuart

calle13
09-02-2007, 12:00 AM
there were 3 wrong calls.. we used our whole bench second quarter. i though Arroyo and Ayuso should of came in whrne there was 5 minutes remaining. But i can tell the coach dosen't wanna burn them for Brazil tomorrow. Great game from Ayuso and Arroyo for Puerto Rico same for USA from everyone especially Jason and Kobe.

calle13
09-02-2007, 12:02 AM
33-27 USA after the first quarter...gotta do something about Ayuso.

Hah.. the guy reminds me to Reggie Miller same type of game.

J-Mart
09-02-2007, 12:09 AM
there were 3 wrong calls.. we used our whole bench second quarter. i though Arroyo and Ayuso should of came in whrne there was 5 minutes remaining. But i can tell the coach dosen't wanna burn them for Brazil tomorrow. Great game from Ayuso and Arroyo for Puerto Rico same for USA from everyone especially Jason and Kobe.
yes, he played the bench way too much and there is no excuse like "were playing for tomorrow" because we are playing for a ticket to the olympics. So I expect Arroyo and Ayuso to play the rest of the game ;)

and I still expect Manolo to be fired after the tournament :rolleyes:

calle13
09-02-2007, 12:37 AM
Too late for that USA has been flawless from 3pt range. They are having one of their best offensive games in the tournament. I don't know bout you guys but i'd rather watch other countries play because blowouts are boring. The game was great on the first half. :D

JGX
09-02-2007, 12:37 AM
43 points in the third quarter for the US :D

calle13
09-02-2007, 12:49 AM
Story of the game Puerto Rico only has 2 good weapons Arroyo and Ayuso while US has 12 :D

J-Mart
09-02-2007, 12:49 AM
Jason Kidd and Michael Redd really choose a great moment to get their game on :D

JGX
09-02-2007, 01:00 AM
I guess Redd found his shot :)

135-91 final.

Anthony: 27 points (8-9 FG, 6 threes)
Redd: 23 points (8-10 FG, 7 threes)
James: 19 points, 9 assists
Bryant: 15 points
Miller 14 points (4 threes)
Williams: 7 assists

Ayuso: 22 points (5 threes)
Arroyo: 21 points
Falcon: 12 points, 8 rebounds

Lebron23
09-02-2007, 01:15 AM
Final Score

USA 135- 91 Puerto Rico


1st Unit

Carmelo 27 Points, Lebron James 19 Pts, 9 assists, Kobe 15 Pts.

2nd unit

Michael Redd 23 Points, Mike Miller 14 Points while Prince 10 Points



Congratulation once again to Team USA and goodluck on your trip to Beijing.

I hope they can add Bosh or even a healthy Wade in their lineup. The only problem that i have seen is that their big men is sometimes pretty inconsistent when it comes to getting the rebound and playing tough defense.

LFGC79
09-02-2007, 01:21 AM
yes, he played the bench way too much and there is no excuse like "were playing for tomorrow" because we are playing for a ticket to the olympics. So I expect Arroyo and Ayuso to play the rest of the game ;)

and I still expect Manolo to be fired after the tournament :rolleyes:

Sadly he wont get fired. Everybody is making excuses for him. And since they qual for the tournament next year, people are gonna think he is great. But in actuality he sucks.
We will have cintron at least till 2010 (puke)

Lebron23
09-02-2007, 02:40 AM
Team USA enrolled the whole Puerto Rican National Team into a basketball University. Definitely their most impressive game so far in the tournament.

2007 FIBA America's Tournament Finals

USA vs. Argentina- that will be the highlight of the tournament 2 teams that are qualified in the Olympics.


http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2006/boxscoredg1.png

J-Mart
09-02-2007, 02:50 AM
Carlos Arroyo's comment after the game...


"We all contributed tonight, but they dominated the rebounds and when we started the second half, because we were having trouble scoring, we started to look at the game and we stopped fighting for the ball, anyway, they are the best team on the world"
Link (http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/baloncesto/acciondeportiva/carlos_arroyo:_estados_unidos_es_el_mejor_equipo_d el_mundo/105781)

so yeah... PR quitted on the second half :rolleyes:

L8DBACK
09-02-2007, 05:47 AM
Final Score

USA 135- 91 Puerto Rico


1st Unit

Carmelo 27 Points, Lebron James 19 Pts, 9 assists, Kobe 15 Pts.

2nd unit

Michael Redd 23 Points, Mike Miller 14 Points while Prince 10 Points



Congratulation once again to Team USA and goodluck on your trip to Beijing.

I hope they can add Bosh or even a healthy Wade in their lineup. The only problem that i have seen is that their big men is sometimes pretty inconsistent when it comes to getting the rebound and playing tough defense.

I think they should keep the USA team as it is but with few exceptions. Beside the chemistry of the team is really working. Wade is a one on one type player. I rather have Kobe than Wade. Add Bosh and remove one of the centers currently on this team. Even better add Oden that may help. ;)

stuart
09-02-2007, 04:34 PM
I think they should keep the USA team as it is but with few exceptions. Beside the chemistry of the team is really working. Wade is a one on one type player. I rather have Kobe than Wade. Add Bosh and remove one of the centers currently on this team. Even better add Oden that may help. ;)

Yeah, I am not sure how much Wade could help this team -- his lack of consistent outside shot could even be a detriment. Weird to say, but true. I think we are going to see Chris Bosh for Tyson Chandler and possibly one of the point guards (Chauncey or Deron) replaced by another big man or shooter.

With that said, Puerto Rico hung tough with the US in the first half and that has to concern the coaching staff. Arroyo was going by the slower-older Kidd, and Ayuso was torching Kobe.

Stuart

Lebron23
09-02-2007, 06:35 PM
USA vs. Argentina, Rivalry through the years


2007

USA def. Argentina, 91-76, USA Sweep the Quarter Final round and advance into the Semi Finals.

2006

USA def. Argentina 101-86, USA won the Bronze Medal in the 2006 FIBA World Basketball tournament.

2004

Argentina def. USA, 89 -83, Argentina will eventually won the Gold Medal in the 2004 Athens, Olympics


2003

USA 106- Argentina 73, USA win the 2003 FIBA Americas tournament and gaining a berth into the Olympics.

2002

Argentina def. USA, 87-80, this is the 1st time that team USA has been defeated by a foreign team since they start sending their NBA players in 1992. Argentina will eventually be the runner up of the tournament.


USA Head Coach George Karl



"I tip my hat to Argentina. We've known for two-three weeks from our scouts and felt they had been playing the best basketball. We lost our composure with their intensity. They played very hard in the first half and our lack of urgency has hurt us in other games and tonight it really hurt us."

I think USA will beat argentina by a margin of 36 points in this ball game. The Americans will probably want to put an exclamation point in the Tournament by destroying Argentina in the Finals.

Lebron, Melo, Kidd, Kobe and Dwight will probably be the starting lineup for team USA, who is on another road trip for sweeping the competition and qualifying in the Olympics together with team Argentina.

I would not even be worried if USA will face Argentina in the Olympics, History will show us that the Americans lose to the Argentineans by quite a very small margin only an average of 6.5 points.

That is not domination the Argentinean are just playing better basketball compare to the young Guns in 2004 ( average age 22.3) and the 3rd tier NBA Superstars that the Americans sent in 2002, which is probably the worst USA team of all time.

Now team USA has proved its point by defeating a complete Argentinean National team in the 2006 FIBA World Basketball Championship by margin of 15 Points.

Still not as great when the 2003 USA Squad destroyed Argentina 106-73 in the Americas tournament, which include Manu Ginobili being the main man of their team.

I tend to believe that this years core is the best team that the Americans have ever assembled since the 2000, Olympics. They just perfectly fit the puzzle and some of them play a very unselfish team basketball.

Just pray that injury will not devastate this team and hope they can add Chris Bosh and Kevin Durant at the end of the NBA Season.

mavs128
09-02-2007, 07:33 PM
I don't want Bosh on this team. I'd rather have Melo or Lebron at PF, and I'd rather have Stoudemire and Howard at C. Bosh really hurt us at the WC, he's too small to defend the bigger centers, and he's not going to get the ball to return the favor...this offense will be dominated by Kobe, Kidd, Lebron, and Melo, as it should. Our big men should just be big bruisers, who can rebound, defend, and block shots.

J-Mart
09-02-2007, 08:52 PM
for those watching the bronze medal game, they may be watching the last Ayuso game with the Puerto Rican NT

L8DBACK
09-02-2007, 09:50 PM
for those watching the bronze medal game, they may be watching the last Ayuso game with the Puerto Rican NT

Are they playing now? What's the score?:confused:

J-Mart
09-02-2007, 10:07 PM
Puerto Rico 111 - 107 Brazil
Final
Ayuso (PUR) 39 pts
Arroyo (PUR) 30
Marcelinho (BRA) 21
Tiago (BRA) 19 pts

calle13
09-02-2007, 10:09 PM
Puerto Rico won 111-107 they were dominating by around 15 points and on the last 3 minutes Brazil made a huge comeback but fell short.They started fouling with 40 seconds left they were down like by 10 and started hittin 3s every 4 seconds the good thing is we were makin the free throws.

Larry Ayuso had 40 points on 8/12 3 pt range
Arroyo had around 30 i think

calle13
09-02-2007, 10:20 PM
Ayuso was hitting 3's from almost halfcourt or being guarded simply amazing.:eek:

LFGC79
09-02-2007, 10:53 PM
for those watching the bronze medal game, they may be watching the last Ayuso game with the Puerto Rican NT

Why do you say that??? PM

Big Lebowski
09-02-2007, 11:06 PM
Argentina with the best jersey ever in basketball history...

Big Lebowski
09-02-2007, 11:13 PM
USA 12, Argentina 9. 3/3 from beyond the arc for the Americans.
Now 15-9, 4/5... 15-11, Argentina two offensive rebounds in the same action.
Bryant sanctioned with travelling violation: it's snowing in Ghana now...

JGX
09-02-2007, 11:26 PM
Argentina playing like they enjoyed a night out in Vegas yesterday...

Is Brazil the most consistently disappointing team in international basketball?

Big Lebowski
09-02-2007, 11:27 PM
20-11 and 5/6 3pts for the U.S...
Good passing game for Argentina: 20-14.
22-14 with the Howard's tap-in (three-pointer missed).
Argentina tries to answer with the same weapon, not a good idea.
Kobe, 6/8 U.S., difference in double digit...
Who's the Argentinean guy who looks like a 80s USSR player?
U.S.A. are 6/8 3pts and 1/45 2pts...
7/9... Lebron, Argentina doubled, fast-break, James: tomahawk, 31-14.
Gonzales has nice arms: have you ever imagined who's the worst person you'd like to meet in a dark night walking in a dark narrow street? He's that person. "Mondo" thanks him: he destroyed a board kicking it (technical foul).
Ah, +20 U.S (they are shooting 25 free consecutive free throws).
Time out ARG, 35-14. On the buzzer the U.S. miss the three (7/10). Break.

Big Lebowski
09-02-2007, 11:38 PM
51-21 after 15 minutes.
U.S. after having missed some threes started with quick fastbreaks: Kidd-James-Bryant-alley oop to James... then Howard with the tomahawk.
U.S.A. are back.

Lebron23
09-03-2007, 01:01 AM
GAME OVER

SCORE 118 USA - 81 Argentina


http://nbadraft.net/profiles/largepics/lebron09.jpg

Best Player of the Game: Lebron James 31 Points, 8/11 3 pt.FG, 3, Assists, 4 rebounds and 2 steals.



Congratulations to Team USA for capturing the Gold Medal of the tournament http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/Birthday.gifhttp://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/Birthday.gifhttp://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/Birthday.gif


Argentina find now answer againts the King and his Knights.

Bron Tournament stats

PPG 18.1
RPG 3.6
ORPG 0.8
DRPG 2.8
ASPG 4.7
1.8 SPG
FG2P% 84.7%
FG3P% 62.2% FT% 66.7%

LFGC79
09-03-2007, 02:24 AM
Bryant sanctioned with travelling violation: it's snowing in Ghana now...

I agree officiating is a very weak component of the FIBA americas region. Did anybody see Dwight Howard double dribble blatantly before dunking on that fast break?

J-Mart
09-03-2007, 02:26 AM
Is Brazil the most consistently disappointing team in international basketball?
yes
its a shame, they have the players to be one of the best NT's on the world

Lebron23
09-03-2007, 02:36 AM
Guys, who are the other member of the all tournament team beside MVP Luis Scola.

alermac
09-03-2007, 06:39 AM
I didn't have much time during the tournament, but...

Prigioni: superb, finally showing his Tau level in NT.
Porta: good enough for a backup, helped win a game or two.
Delfino: he actually has more valuable for his defense and his passing than his scoring.
Quinteros: may be the best pure shooter in Latin America. Plus, he's a very active defender, a great fastbreaker and a big clutch shooter. The perfect 6th man, only his height plays against him.
Kammerichs: big defense and rebounding, plus key baskets and blocks against Brazil. And his mustache is simply too good for this world.
Sandes: much better than expected, although no big deal. He even showed a consistent shot.
Scola: No words necessary.
Leo Gutiérrez: again proved he's a great clutch shooter, even as a short PF.
Lo Grippo: a very fast and short PF, very useful when trying to press and very good ath the fastbreak.
González: great showing. Can provide scoring and roughness.

Picek
09-03-2007, 09:31 AM
Ayuso was hitting 3's from almost halfcourt or being guarded simply amazing.:eek:
he was doing the same thing last season while playing for KK Split..
I guess this will be a fun season for us Cibona fans..
if he can play like that during the whole season it will be a nice show :)

nardong_putik
09-03-2007, 06:13 PM
Congratulation to team USA!

L8DBACK
09-03-2007, 07:28 PM
Will the coach of the Brazilian NT be fired?:confused: This team is really in disarray.:( Is the first time a team mutinied against their coach in international competion?:eek: I wish the Brazilian Team the best for the wild card next year!:D

DanMajerle
09-04-2007, 01:43 PM
I agree officiating is a very weak component of the FIBA americas region. Did anybody see Dwight Howard double dribble blatantly before dunking on that fast break?

Yeah, but it doesn't help. US commited offensive fouls and traveling violations over and over and they will be called next year and it will hurt them.

Phantim3dx
09-04-2007, 05:44 PM
i saw less on the US end in this tourney compared to the last one. definite improvement i must add to that "weird" rule of swatting the ball once it hits the rim. i saw the US players do that more.


Yeah, but it doesn't help. US commited offensive fouls and traveling violations over and over and they will be called next year and it will hurt them.

bobo81
09-05-2007, 01:28 PM
I saw a couple of the Argentine's feet shuffle too when handling the ball so the US isnt the only one travelling.

L8DBACK
09-05-2007, 11:46 PM
Yeah, but it doesn't help. US commited offensive fouls and traveling violations over and over and they will be called next year and it will hurt them.

FIBA officiating has always been bad! Don't you think that Argentina or any other teams didn't committed fouls or violations that were not called. It seems that you are not too happy about the USA winning the Gold.:mad: It will depend how bad the officiating will be next year whether it will hurt the USA or not. By the way, I didn't hear any complaints from the other teams about how the US commited offensive fouls and traveling violations over and over.;)

JGX
09-06-2007, 04:19 AM
Yeah, but it doesn't help. US commited offensive fouls and traveling violations over and over and they will be called next year and it will hurt them.

It's hard to admit the other team is just better, isn't it?

armorpiercing
09-06-2007, 07:13 AM
Yeah, but it doesn't help. US commited offensive fouls and traveling violations over and over and they will be called next year and it will hurt them.



it's clear and plain to see, some fiba referees are incompetent,
not consistent and blind. sometimes they're makin their own basketball rules.

robbe
09-06-2007, 07:50 AM
I think what DanMajerle stated was pretty obvious. Guys were travelling all the time. That doesn't take anything away from the US, they were clearly the best team in this tournament. But if you don't think things like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIBHJxQTT50&mode=related&search=) (there were many more obviously) not being called are disgrace to fundamental basketball as we like it, please raise your hand.

alermac
09-06-2007, 04:55 PM
Will the coach of the Brazilian NT be fired?:confused: This team is really in disarray.:( Is the first time a team mutinied against their coach in international competion?:eek: I wish the Brazilian Team the best for the wild card next year!:D
Coach Ferreira just resigned, even though the federation might still reject his resignation. Many Brazilian fans and even some players have been saying that hiring an Euro coach would be good, even Oscar said so.

Phantim3dx
09-07-2007, 04:01 AM
I think what DanMajerle stated was pretty obvious. Guys were travelling all the time. That doesn't take anything away from the US, they were clearly the best team in this tournament. But if you don't think things like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIBHJxQTT50&mode=related&search=) (there were many more obviously) not being called are disgrace to fundamental basketball as we like it, please raise your hand.

travelling all the time..its all been talked here that officiating will never be perfect, officiating is a pretty difficult job. not everyone will always be happy. it just is so sickening at how bias and how pro-euro this board is MANY TIMES, because the better team won. EVERYONE commits fouls, violations. dont tell me the in the euroleague and other leagues there was never a violation call on travelling or it has been let go a few times.

the better team won that's all there is to it, heck i even complained when usa played italy last yeard and how horrible i thought and bias the officiating was against team usa. in the end spain won gold, greece beat usa, im not going to cry over spilled milk and say officiating is so horrible that it's not as good as euro refs and in europe, that bs and superficial for others to say that

AK47
09-07-2007, 04:41 AM
what about the tournament 1st team ?

robbe
09-07-2007, 06:30 AM
travelling all the time..its all been talked here that officiating will never be perfect, officiating is a pretty difficult job. not everyone will always be happy. it just is so sickening at how bias and how pro-euro this board is MANY TIMES, because the better team won. EVERYONE commits fouls, violations. dont tell me the in the euroleague and other leagues there was never a violation call on travelling or it has been let go a few times.

the better team won that's all there is to it, heck i even complained when usa played italy last yeard and how horrible i thought and bias the officiating was against team usa. in the end spain won gold, greece beat usa, im not going to cry over spilled milk and say officiating is so horrible that it's not as good as euro refs and in europe, that bs and superficial for others to say that
Damn, I wrote the US deserved to win, and if I write that, I mean it that way.

I just hate seeing all the violations, whoever commits them. I want to see basketball, not a player taking two steps before starting to dribble or commiting a violation with the first step repeatedly. I actually criticize the way the game is being refereed on from 2006, not your team. I just think that is a worrying development in international basketball. This is not about the referees' right to make mistakes, they're human after all. It's about what they're told to do, and that is obiously, to let players get away with travelling violations. Maybe in order to make the game more attractive.

Phantim3dx
09-07-2007, 07:39 AM
if that is the case, my apologies. i sent you a pm about this matter.





Damn, I wrote the US deserved to win, and if I write that, I mean it that way.

I just hate seeing all the violations, whoever commits them. I want to see basketball, not a player taking two steps before starting to dribble or commiting a violation with the first step repeatedly. I actually criticize the way the game is being refereed on from 2006, not your team. I just think that is a worrying development in international basketball. This is not about the referees' right to make mistakes, they're human after all. It's about what they're told to do, and that is obiously, to let players get away with travelling violations. Maybe in order to make the game more attractive.

robbe
09-07-2007, 08:03 AM
if that is the case, my apologies. i sent you a pm about this matter.
No problem, I think you just misjudged my post.

And China is China, after all.:D

Federoy
09-08-2007, 05:28 AM
FIBA officiating has always been bad! Don't you think that Argentina or any other teams didn't committed fouls or violations that were not called. It seems that you are not too happy about the USA winning the Gold.:mad: It will depend how bad the officiating will be next year whether it will hurt the USA or not. By the way, I didn't hear any complaints from the other teams about how the US commited offensive fouls and traveling violations over and over.;)

Exactly. Even in victory, in dominate fashion at that, the USA bashing continues on this forum. I observed all 10 US matches, and while violations occurred at times, as they are bound to happen in basketball, the American players weren't getting away with egregious violations like some on here suggest. There were officiating errors in all the matches I watched, including games not featuring the US. Poor decisions/judgements are just the nature of any level of basketball, but the criticism becomes more amplified in international basketball because people allow their nationalist passions to overwhelm their perceptions. Hence, because the US is disliked, they're seen as getting favoritism by FIBA referees, when in fact, the US players were at the mercy of bad refereeing just like all the other teams. The referees had nothing to do with why the US defeated opponents by 30-40 point margins, but you can't convince that to the unreasonable. They would have us believe David Stern paid FIBA refs to cheat to ensure that US would make it to Beijing so the NBA could meet its marketing quota in the world's biggest market.

Federoy
09-08-2007, 06:38 AM
Damn, I wrote the US deserved to win, and if I write that, I mean it that way.

I just hate seeing all the violations, whoever commits them. I want to see basketball, not a player taking two steps before starting to dribble or commiting a violation with the first step repeatedly. I actually criticize the way the game is being refereed on from 2006, not your team. I just think that is a worrying development in international basketball. This is not about the referees' right to make mistakes, they're human after all. It's about what they're told to do, and that is obiously, to let players get away with travelling violations. Maybe in order to make the game more attractive.

If you're in favor of tightening up the rules, why limit it to just travelling? Those illegal (by NBA & NCAA standards) moving picks and screens the Greeks used to beat the US in last year's WC is not "pure" basketball either, and neither is the off-the-ball clutching and grabbing. It's all about interpretation, and I doubt FIBA has gotten or will ever get a handle on how rules are interpreted by each individual official, and we see the same thing in rugby, tennis, football and other sports. Every rule in basketball is a judgement call, and with the speed and athleticism in today's game it would be awfully damn hard for FIBA to asks its referees to correctly interpret every low post play and drive to the basket to a tee. You said it yourself, they're only human.

warren99
09-10-2007, 07:51 AM
Team USA 2007 no match for Magic and the Dream Team of 1992

The Americans fielded a hoops squad in the FIBA Americas Cup that had aficionados salivating, opponents giving up before tip-off, and columnists making comparisons between Bron's boys and Jordan's jumpers.
'If Team USA 2007 is good enough to get Magic Johnson drawing comparisons, surely we can rationalize making comparisons ourselves'
The performance of Team USA at the FIBA Americas tournament has created a stir among basketball fans across the world.

The Americans have struggled to dominate the competition over the past few years, with notable losses to Argentina, Yugoslavia, Spain, Puerto Rico, Lithuania, and Greece. However, with a revamped programme that finally has the support of the country's biggest stars, Team USA seems relevant again.

Magic Johnson, who sat courtside for some of the games, commented on this year's squad saying: "They remind me of us," referring to the 1992 squad that is considered to be the best team ever compiled.

If Team USA 2007 is good enough to get Magic Johnson drawing comparisons, surely we can rationalize making comparisons ourselves. The original dream team had a victory margin of 43.8 points, this year's team averaged 40.5. Still, even with the similarities, it is impossible to really take this comparison seriously unless USA dominates in a similar fashion at the Olympics in Beijing next year. Nonetheless, I'm going to go ahead with it anyway.

Guards
1992: Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Clyde Drexler, and John Stocton.
2007: Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, Chauncey Billups, Deron Williams, and Michael Redd.

While Jason Kidd and Kobe Bryant are at the top of their positions world-wide, Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan are the top in their positions all-time. Magic has the edge over Kidd, Jordan the edge over Kobe, and the bench is even more lopsided. Billups, Williams, and Redd have all played very well in the tournament, but I don't know anyone who would take that group over a young combo of Stockton and Drexler.

Forwards
1992: Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Chris Mullen, Scottie Pippen, and Christian Laettner.
2007: Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Tayshaun Prince, and Mike Miller.

Nobody can doubt the abilities of Bird, Malone, Barkley, and the rest of the 1992 forwards. However, Lebron and Melo bring quite the challenge. Carmelo Anthony has been Team USA's best performer over the past five years and 'Bron is considered to be on the road to greatness. As of right now, the edge has to go to the 1992 team because of depth and longevity. Ten years from now, however, we might be looking back at Kidd, Kobe, Melo, Bron, and Amare as being the most athletically gifted starting five ever put together. Forget ten years from now, they could easily be considered that already. However, athletic abilities don't trump the 1992 squad's compilation of basketball greatness.

Centers
1992: David Robinson and Patrick Ewing.
2007: Amare Stoudemire, Dwight Howard, and Tyson Chandler.

In 1992, David Robinson was nearing his prime. He was named the defensive player of the year with almost 4.5 blocks per game. He also managed to put up 23 ppg and 12 rpg that year in the NBA. Patrick Ewing wasn't too bad either (24 ppg, 11.2 rpg, and 3 bpg).

Although Stoudemire and Howard are dominant in their own right, they aren't considered to be elite at this point; there are a handful of better big men in the league today such as Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Bosh, and Andrew Bynum (Mitch Kupchak told me to add him to the list).

Overall
The 1992 team is still the best team to ever be put together. Ten of the twelve players from the '92 team were included on the NBA's Greatest 50 Players list that was released in 1996. I don't doubt that Kobe, Lebron, Melo, Kidd, and possibly a couple others from the 2007 team will have a chance to make such a list in the future, but even that doesn't match them up with the original Dream Team.

Team USA 2007 are a well coached team that have displayed better chemistry than what was expected. They have given hope to a country that has been let down too many times in the recent past. They are dominating everybody that steps in their way while preparing themselves for Olympic gold. However, they aren't the greatest of all-time . . . yet.

source:
sportingo.com
09-10-07
chad kettner

robbe
09-10-2007, 09:06 AM
Exactly. Even in victory, in dominate fashion at that, the USA bashing continues on this forum. I observed all 10 US matches, and while violations occurred at times, as they are bound to happen in basketball, the American players weren't getting away with egregious violations like some on here suggest. There were officiating errors in all the matches I watched, including games not featuring the US. Poor decisions/judgements are just the nature of any level of basketball, but the criticism becomes more amplified in international basketball because people allow their nationalist passions to overwhelm their perceptions. Hence, because the US is disliked, they're seen as getting favoritism by FIBA referees, when in fact, the US players were at the mercy of bad refereeing just like all the other teams. The referees had nothing to do with why the US defeated opponents by 30-40 point margins, but you can't convince that to the unreasonable. They would have us believe David Stern paid FIBA refs to cheat to ensure that US would make it to Beijing so the NBA could meet its marketing quota in the world's biggest market.
There were a hell lot of violations. I can't believe you are writing this. Maybe you are just being used to NCAA and NBA officiating. Further, if you want to reduce every whisper of criticism on nationalistic feelings and dislike of the US, I don't want to disturb you in your simple world out there.


If you're in favor of tightening up the rules, why limit it to just travelling? Those illegal (by NBA & NCAA standards) moving picks and screens the Greeks used to beat the US in last year's WC is not "pure" basketball either, and neither is the off-the-ball clutching and grabbing. It's all about interpretation, and I doubt FIBA has gotten or will ever get a handle on how rules are interpreted by each individual official, and we see the same thing in rugby, tennis, football and other sports. Every rule in basketball is a judgement call, and with the speed and athleticism in today's game it would be awfully damn hard for FIBA to asks its referees to correctly interpret every low post play and drive to the basket to a tee. You said it yourself, they're only human.I don't like it either. The travelling violations not being called are just a new development, so I posted. Moving screens and holding and grabbing aren't. And I actually don't care who beats who because of how a game was being officiated.

And I actually don't see where in this thread it was being written, that the US won the tournament because of the officials (no-
)calls. Quotes, anyone?

Jokinen
09-10-2007, 08:37 PM
Kammerichs: big defense and rebounding, plus key baskets and blocks against Brazil. And his mustache is simply too good for this world.
.

:D:D :D , yeah... its pretty cool

Bongaboi
09-11-2007, 03:51 AM
New to the forums, and I do not see an intros thread, but I will go ahead and introduce myself. I am Bongaboi, and I am glad to be here. :cool:

Anyway, I have to say that the home team deserved to go undefeated and win the FIBA Americas. This team is on a mission. And I think they want to have another crack at the Greeks for what they did to them in 06. They're hellbent for Hellas.

Since Bill Walton was hinting at "FIBA Las Vegas", I decided to make a rendition. Here it goes.

Bright lights city gonna set the nets,
gonna set the nets of fire.
There’s a couple of Beijing '08 berths on the line
to keep the stakes up high.
There’s thousands of spectators waiting out there.
And they’re all watching, the bookie may care.
And I’m just a bookie with money to spare, so
FIBA Las Vegas. FIBA Las Vegas.

Now I wish that there were more
than forty minutes in a game,
but even if there were another four and four,
I wouldn’t hang my head in shame.
There’s Deron, Anthony, Chandler, and Kidd on the wheel.
Howard, Amare, Prince and Redd keeping it real.
Miller and Chauncey Billups making blocks, boards and steals.
FIBA Las Vegas. FIBA Las Vegas.

FIBA Las Vegas, with your qualification
and the entire nation watching
all those jump shots getting drained.
FIBA Las Vegas, Kobe bringing the Showtime,
King James bringing it on primetime.
If they win it once, they’re gonna win again and again.

I’m gonna go on a run, I’m gonna have me some fun
even if it costs me some NBA dimes.
And when I get that gold medal, then I’ll always remember
that I had a swing of a time.
I’m gonna give it everything I got.
Coach Krzyzewski, please, let my dunks stay hot.
Rainbow threes and free throws made on every shot. Swish!
FIBA Las Vegas,
FIBA Las Vegas,
FIBA Las Vegas,
FIBA, FIBA, Las Vegas!
Yeah!

Federoy
09-11-2007, 07:04 AM
There were a hell lot of violations. I can't believe you are writing this. Maybe you are just being used to NCAA and NBA officiating. Further, if you want to reduce every whisper of criticism on nationalistic feelings and dislike of the US, I don't want to disturb you in your simple world out there.

I don't like it either. The travelling violations not being called are just a new development, so I posted. Moving screens and holding and grabbing aren't. And I actually don't care who beats who because of how a game was being officiated.

And I actually don't see where in this thread it was being written, that the US won the tournament because of the officials (no-
)calls. Quotes, anyone?

Yeah, I saw a good portion of the tournament --and don't tell me you were in Las Vegas watching the entire tournament live that made you draw your conclusions, then that would force me to call you a desperate liar-- and I can safely say that you're exaggerating the amount of violations committed by the US, period. I'm not suggesting that the US didn't get away with braking the rules every now and then (what team doesn't when you factor in FIBA officiating?), but this suggestion that there "were a hell lot of violations" by you and those most critical of the US is complete bullshit (or bockmist if you're really a Deutschlander.) But then again, I'm sure you would argue that since I'm an American I've been watching tainted basketball all my life and can't identify with how the international game is suppose to be played. Right. What simple world are you referring to? LMAO!!! Since you insist on believing that I'm some US homer who attacks posters because they're picking on my poor little basketball team, you obviously haven't been paying attention to any of my post over the last 2 1/2 years. I don't play favorites to any nation (including my own) when it comes to critically analyzing how a team performs. The US has a lot of work to do if it expects to win gold in Beijing. Most Americans who are ardent followers of international basketball, like myself, recognize the issues that they have. There are still defensive lapses, complacency, stagnation on offense, and isolation basketball that could kill the US's chances of winning anything, much less a gold medal. Hell, at this point, I can't even say the US looks like the best team in the world, despite how dominant they looked at the Tournament of the Americas. That title goes to Spain, Lithuania or an "A" list Argentina squad.

Having said that, if people want to be critical of the US, be critical for the reasons I mentioned above, but when people like K2 blasts the US for every reason he/she can think of and aren't willing to give the US credit for anything it does, that's the sort of stuff that bothers me and that's the sort of lame criticism that happens far too frequently on this forum.

As for your comments about traveling, poorly called basketball is poorly called basketball. It doesn't matter if it's a recent development (traveling) or an ongoing one (clutching and grabbing), the game needs to be standardized and cleaned-up for everyone's benefit. Your suggestion that FIBA is mandating to its officials to be more lax in enforcing traveling is a bit of an erroneous claim, and how you could support such a claim is beyond me. I've been watching international basketball since 1990, and the same inconsistent whistles on traveling existed back then as they do now. You may disagree, but it's crossed my mind that maybe it's the quality of officiating that's the real issue and not some farflung notion that FIBA is conspiring to make the game more "attractive" by not enforcing traveling.