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Picek
07-25-2016, 07:47 PM
After last season ended with 14 clubs it was decided that this year it will be only 12 participants.
and that was o.k..
it was like that up until couple of weeks ago when suddenly league was expanded back to 14 clubs because of Union Olimpija who received an invitation for Eurocup but had to be a member of ABA league to play in eurocup.
so in order for them to play in ABA the league had to be expanded since they were not even in the slovenian league final last season.
Zlatorog (I think i got the name of the club right) complained saying that they were better then U. Olimpija last year and yet they were not the one to receive the invitation.
os U. Olimpija was supposed to be club nr. 13 and of course Čović used his influence to bring it's first club back to the league, so FMP as 14th club in the league and fourth serbian team.
U. Olimpija was supposed to pay 150 000 € for the invitation.
today was the final deadline for that, and of course they didn't make the payment.

now, no one is even thinking of going with the original plan of 12 teams and kicking FMP out.
instead, a fourth croatian club will enter the league without having to pay for the invitation which Olimpija was supposed to pay.
and it will be Kvarner (Rijeka based club) who finished fourth last year.

with this kind of over night decisions league is a joke especially with some playing with it as it is their own toy.
and rest of the clubs accepting that as normal.

no wonder FIBA doesn't recognize this league anymore.
joke league.

p.s. will U. Olimpija be allowed to play eurocup now?

Srle
07-25-2016, 09:49 PM
Oh shut up, you are full of cow dong, who cares if Fiba recognizing something or not , nobody cares about Fiba's opinion about anything.

Picek
07-26-2016, 10:50 AM
Are you done?

Joško Poljak Fan
07-26-2016, 11:30 AM
My apologies on Olimpija's behalf, they're trapped in circle between fans, sponsors, debt and reality. Due to fans and sponsors unable to face the reality we should have a long time ago. I know why they wanted the league to get back to 14 clubs, but I didn't support their reasoning back than, since it's running away from reality.

I don't think eurocup is reality for Olimpija at the moment, since probably the club will have big difficulties to stay in the first slovenian league.

Obina
07-26-2016, 02:59 PM
Mate I am sorry for Olimpija, hope to see strong Olimpija in near future again. Bad news for league.

Picek
07-26-2016, 09:30 PM
Helios withdrew as well..
So it will be only Krka from Slovenia?
League could be cut to 12 at the end, of course with FMP in it...
Congratulations, they (league managament) have sucessfully made a joke out of the league propositions, rules and plans..

Picek
07-27-2016, 10:03 AM
Apparently Zlatorog Laško has been invited to play the league.
they have a deadline until friday to accept or decline the invitation.

btw. Zlatorog had more sport reasons to be invited even before Olimpija as they finished in front of them in slovenia last season..

anyway, if you know someone working for some club, tell him to send an email to the league managament.
there is a big chance they could be invited to play the league.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-27-2016, 10:54 AM
Zlatorog had the ambitions to play in ABA in the past few years, however with Heineken taking over Laško brewery there are rumours they'll cut or at least rationalize some of their sport sponsorships (Union and Zlatorog are owned by the same brewery). Their budget was pretty decent in the past few years, however they woud need a smaller raise there to be competitive, if they manage to get those funds they'll probably accept.

Picek
07-27-2016, 11:12 AM
Zlatorog had the ambitions to play in ABA in the past few years, however with Heineken taking over Laško brewery there are rumours they'll cut or at least rationalize some of their sport sponsorships (Union and Zlatorog are owned by the same brewery). Their budget was pretty decent in the past few years, however they woud need a smaller raise there to be competitive, if they manage to get those funds they'll probably accept.
I read somewhere that after Olimpija received invitation they were complaining the invitation should have first been offered to them.
and they had every right to complain.
now that the invitation is there the question is what will they do?

MZT Skopje
07-27-2016, 11:15 AM
Gypsy league. Totaly neregularna liga all is fixed.. No point to invest money as long you dont have a finger in the aba uprava.

Aba is a pivate league thats the naked truth. Wos not supposed to be like this with Fiba as owner.

Thats why MZT has budget 500.000 euro an RK Vardar 10.000.000.

MZT Skopje
07-27-2016, 11:40 AM
Biggest problem is the mentality with balcan people. as long no scandinavian mentality exist all this is point less.

icek Croats aint better than Serbs, same shit. Just look what they did to FK Vardar and owner Samsonenko who invested 10 milion euros also in the football club not only handball. Biggest robbery in the history of football. thieves. kupi avtogol u skopje i 2 penala u zagreb.

Mamic, Covic.. all is same shit. is better to not have anything to do with people like you.

Balcan getto of europe..

Joško Poljak Fan
07-27-2016, 12:21 PM
I read somewhere that after Olimpija received invitation they were complaining the invitation should have first been offered to them.
and they had every right to complain.
now that the invitation is there the question is what will they do?
Yeah, that was the case there, they considered it unfair not to be offered participation before Olimpija, while not saying anything about what they would do in case such invitation occured.

serbianhoops
07-29-2016, 01:38 AM
6'3" PG Mirko Djeric ('95) who carried Australia to the 2012 U17 World Championship Final has been granted a release from Sydney Kings and will join FMP.

Picek
07-29-2016, 09:38 AM
Kvarner did not accept invitation.
Who is next?
Circus continues.

Roy M
07-29-2016, 10:35 AM
Kvarner did not accept invitation.
Who is next?
Circus continues.

Maccabi and\or Jerusalem?

Joško Poljak Fan
07-29-2016, 10:58 AM
Maccabi and\or Jerusalem?
I doubt that. Federations have a lot of issues with a too long schedule that leaves little room for national championships and traveling to Israel would make schedules of some teams even tighter.

Roy M
07-29-2016, 11:14 AM
I doubt that. Federations have a lot of issues with a too long schedule that leaves little room for national championships and traveling to Israel would make schedules of some teams even tighter.

It is allways the possibility, to play back to back in Israel. One hour drive from both citys

Picek
07-29-2016, 11:25 AM
Maccabi and\or Jerusalem?

Not a possibility, I'm guessing at the end it will be played with 12 clubs as originally planned but instead od two slovenian clubs it will be FMP and one slovenian club..
Well done Čović, he is the only one who got what he wanted..
League is a joke..

Joško Poljak Fan
07-29-2016, 01:09 PM
Laško won't participate.

Quite a story:
Olimpija doesn't qualify and urgently begs for expansion of the league in order to be invited. They get the invitation, but they drop out.
Zlatorog is protesting due to Olimpija being invited to the league instead of them. They get the invitation. They drop out.
Helios creates a havoc for the national championship not being interesting enough, begs the federation for all clubs to participate in it from the start, since anything but ABA league isn't rentable for them. They get invited once, they refuse. They qualify this season, they refuse participation.

Welcome to Slovenia and have a nice day.

MZT Skopje
07-31-2016, 11:55 AM
Josko whats the problem ? is the money the biggest poblem at the moment ?.

Joško Poljak Fan
08-01-2016, 09:59 AM
Money has been the problem since 2001/02 season, with the net debt ranging from 2-5/6M€ in that period. Ups and downs in that period, however at this particular moment Olimpija is nearing the point when they are questionable regarding servicing the remaining 2 M€ debt, budget lmost halved since 10 years ago, the atmosphere around the club is a catastrophy and basicaly now fans have it and more and more of them is calling for bankrupcy and starting all over again from the 4th league. The reason that didn't happen yet is due to decreased sponsorhip deals that would follow in that case and would increase the debt vs. revenues ratio.
Loosing 7 National championship titles certanly didn't help, buyouts for the likes of Omić, Blažič and some others (exceptions Aron Baynes and Prepelič) were quite low, while the likes of Dončič, Čančar, Amar Gegić, Sulejmanović, Šiško and some others basicaly left the club for free and the ticket revenue is pretty low.

As far as Laško/Zlatorog goes, Heineken will cut on some of those sponsorship deals and both Laško and Olimpija are having the same issue. Laško asked for additional 300k€ to be competitive in the league, Heineken refused.

BiHBasket
08-03-2016, 02:03 PM
Seems like PF Emir Sulejmanovic(95', 6'9'') is the new Cibona player. Last couple of the years he was under contract with Barcelona, but most of the time played for Barcelona B.

Cibona coach Mulaomerovic is also coach of the Bosnian national team, both of him and Sulejmanovic are right now on the Bosnia national team preparations, so seems Mulaomerovic liked him and decided to take him in Cibona.

MZT Skopje
08-08-2016, 09:46 PM
KK Karpos Sokoli from Skopje will probably join ABA. They must answer 14 of August http://sportmedia.mk/kosharka/aba-liga/karposh-sokoli-vleguva-vo-aba-ligata

MZT Skopje
08-09-2016, 06:23 PM
KONAČNO: Poznati su svi učesnici ABA lige!
http://supersport.rs/kosarka/aba/46329/konacno-poznati-su-svi-ucesnici-aba-lige.html

Nakon pristupanja FMP-a ABA ligi naredne sezone, poznati su i 13. i 14. klub koji će igrati u regionalnom takmičenju, a to su ljubljanska Olimpija i Karpoš Sokoli iz Skoplja.
Posle mnogo nepoznanica prethodnih nedelja, konačno je formiran spisak svih učesnika za predstojeću sezonu.
Naime, Olimpija je prvo prihvatila učešće, pa odustala zbog finansijskih problema, ali je na kraju našla rešenje da i naredne sezone igra na Jadranu.
Karpoš Sokoli je makedonski predstavnik, prošle godine polufinalista tamošnjeg plej-ofa, a sa klupe ga predvodi naš trener Siniša Matić.
Srbija će imati četiri predstavnika, pored šampiona Crvene zvezde, igraće i Partizan, Mega Leks i FMP.

Picek
08-10-2016, 04:14 PM
at the end of the day Olimpija will play the league without paying for the wild card..

and second team from Skopje when even the first team is having problems assembling a team.
league is joke, with this kind of management it will self destruct completely in one year.

MZT Skopje
08-10-2016, 04:54 PM
Shut your mouth, you cryd also bc MZT will play in Ulb cup and your joke team Cibona in joke Fiba CL.

Sutjeska did OK in ABA with players who used to play for Macedonian clubs Kumanovo and Kozuv.

But, how could Karpos agree to pay 150K, when Olimpija did not.

Picek
08-19-2016, 10:58 AM
Paolo Marinelli signed for Cibona.
great move by Aco.
not only for Cibona but for our basketball as well.
too bad he lost a season with Olimpija but already last year on loan in Kvarner he was very good.

he is player that can be saved and returned to normal in terms of his projection and possibly useful for NT in years to come.

our roster is basically set:
PG Šiško, Marinelli, Uljarević
SG Johnson, Joksimović, Bošnjak, Mandić
SF Slavica, Rozić, Čorić
PF Šakić, Sulejmanović
C Žižić, Popić

this is our most talented roster in the last 20 years at least.

Joško Poljak Fan
08-20-2016, 11:19 AM
I wish Paolo all the best, it's obvious he is very talented, that talent however will never get to the surface unless he does something major with his confidence, allround on and off court. He is a nice guy, that however isn't neccesarily the best personality for a bball player, especially a PG. That roster does indeed look very nice.

Olimpija signed Mulalič, Justin Robinson and Nikolić from Mega. Lorbek brothers were in calculations, however Erazem demanded 500.000 € and Domen, well... a sum he won't get anywhere else, maybee only in some lover level Russian team desperate for his type of player.

Jan Barbarič is a potential reinforcement (PG/SG 188cm, 1995), I love that guy, feisty, strong, a bit of a late boomer that has a potential for a serious euroleague career if things go his way, other than that the roster promises to be on lower level than last year. Last year however they played way under their abilities on average, so maybee it's about time this would turn in the opposite direction.

MZT Skopje
08-21-2016, 01:30 PM
MZT so far: Xavier Thames, Jeremiah Massey, Josh Scott, Charlon Kloof, Uroš Lučić, Đorđe Drenovac, Jure Lalić, Damjan Stojnovski, Marko Simonovski, Ljubomir Mladenovski and Adem Mekić.

Much better team than last 2 years. Still waiting for Bo Makaleb and Stefan Snovec.

MZT will add one more playmaker and that should be Makaleb.

pohani komarac
09-04-2016, 10:29 AM
Zadar looking like candidate for last place unless Brzoja, Mazalin and Basic have break out season. Basic got injured and will miss 2-3 months

Picek
09-04-2016, 12:21 PM
Budućnost with it's strongest roster in history.
if it wasn't for their unbelievable choking ability I would call them number one favorite for the title.
but, this league is now only important for the clubs participating in it, league won't be recognized by FIBA most probably, meaning also national federations won't officially confirm the status of the league.
that can lead to the fact that the league will be officiated by no name refs if the federations will forbid their refs from taking a part in the league.
the fact that the league couldn't find a sponsor for years will make it even harder now.
if they won't change some things dramatically this could be the last season of the league as we know it.

AmonRA
09-04-2016, 01:21 PM
teams that completed rosters, so far(and candidates for f4)..
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pohani komarac
09-04-2016, 03:30 PM
Cibona completed rooster also

Johnson, Marinelli, Sisko, Uljarevic
Joksimovic, Bosnjak
Slavica, Rozic, Coric
Sakic, Samac, Sulejmanovic
Zizic, Sulejmanovic

AmonRA
09-04-2016, 04:38 PM
but not candidate for f4 :p

pohani komarac
09-04-2016, 06:19 PM
If American is good it is, I guarantee that

Picek
09-04-2016, 06:37 PM
but not candidate for f4 :p

roster wise, Cibona looks stronger then Mega.
Mega has a better coach though.
but yes, we are not a F4 candidate. and don't think Mega will be as good as last year either.
not that it matters.

what I do know is that ATŽ will rock the league.

AmonRA
09-05-2016, 08:21 AM
In Cibona I see only one to say future super player ATZ, one for ABA standards probably good usa player, and couple of veterans and not more then solid young players..

So I dont thinks that Cibona looks stronger then Mega, although I agree that they will not make last year result either(ABA finals).
but they will definitely be in top of league, and in fight for f4 place...

ps. later I will make Cibona roster..

serbianhoops
09-14-2016, 10:56 AM
Crvena Zvezda's 6'5" SG Aleksandar Aranitovic ('98), who returns from a torn ACL surgery, will spend the season on loan at FMP.

MZT Skopje
09-21-2016, 06:38 PM
Karpos signed former croatian national team player Vrkić, Zoran. Not bad in ACB last year.

They also signed Uros Duvnjak, Lamont Mack, Kendrick Perry, Dragan Labovic, Dragan Zekovic.

And they plan do sign Stefan Sinovec too + one more playmaker..

first I thought they would be slaughtered in ABA but I think now this will not be the case. Can be among 6-10 teams...

CoachZ
09-30-2016, 07:10 PM
Demonstration of power tonight. First official game of the season, Zvezda demolished MZT with fantastic defense and scoring everywhere.

Great games from Guduric, Jovic, Bjelica, Mitrovic and Kuzmic. The rest of the team played well too, but these five were in double figures. The offense looks much more diverse and better flowing compared to last year. This is the reason why I am glad that Zirbes is gone. Kuzmic so far looks is fantastic shape. Playing a lot of small ball with Bjelica/Mitrovic Bjelica/Simonovic looks very aggressive and high tempo. If we can keep our defensive intensity and this kind of transition and tempo, we will be great. On the other hand MZT looked pathetic. Terrible for a team who spent so much money this offseason.

Crvena Zvezda - MZT
91 - 69

Boxscore:
http://www.aba-liga.com/match.php?id=1&tab=statistic_FullStatistic

Obina
09-30-2016, 07:26 PM
To be honest I did not expect that we will be so good on the start, without 2 players. This is much better in regard to prep period.

With 2 new player from nba cut we will be really dangerous team.

Serbian_Layup
10-03-2016, 07:10 AM
We should pay attention to Ivan Marinković. He made huge strides over the summer, dramatically improved shooting accuracy, taking long jumpers also. He's killing it off the pick&roll, extremely athletic and light on his feet, rolls really fast. He even uses his left hand in the post very well, though that part of his game needs more work. Not sure if the C spot is his position going forward, but he made a vast improvement. Needs to add strength and some muscle to hold his ground vs strong centers, but he has a fantastic frame to fill out at 6'10''. And he is still only 22.

the_black_planet
10-04-2016, 08:39 AM
We should pay attention to Ivan Marinković. He made huge strides over the summer, dramatically improved shooting accuracy, taking long jumpers also. He's killing it off the pick&roll, extremely athletic and light on his feet, rolls really fast. He even uses his left hand in the post very well, though that part of his game needs more work. Not sure if the C spot is his position going forward, but he made a vast improvement. Needs to add strength and some muscle to hold his ground vs strong centers, but he has a fantastic frame to fill out at 6'10''. And he is still only 22.

Did you watch Zadar's games mate?? They seem to have a very interesting young team this year, many talented players. I saw some of Mazzalin and he looks like being back on the right way, he'll never be the next Drazen Petrovic of course and he hasn't worked on his outside shot sadly, but he has the tools I think to become a very good EL level all around forward if he keeps on that way! What do you think? Besides him, also Boris Barac looks like being on great shape and ready to step up. I'd like also to hear a bit about Mislav Brzoja performance. Thanks in advance. :)

MZT Skopje
10-04-2016, 10:20 AM
Zvezda demolished Cedevita too. 88 : 64... I wos 30 at one point..

Zvezda to good for aba, F4 EL ? who knows..

MZT Skopje
10-04-2016, 07:20 PM
some serious streange shit is going on in the club mzt... this is just ridiculously can anyone serioussly take this serious.

Serbian_Layup
10-05-2016, 01:52 PM
Did you watch Zadar's games mate?? They seem to have a very interesting young team this year, many talented players. I saw some of Mazzalin and he looks like being back on the right way, he'll never be the next Drazen Petrovic of course and he hasn't worked on his outside shot sadly, but he has the tools I think to become a very good EL level all around forward if he keeps on that way! What do you think? Besides him, also Boris Barac looks like being on great shape and ready to step up. I'd like also to hear a bit about Mislav Brzoja performance. Thanks in advance. :)

They have a talented and very young backcourt with Bašić (expected to return by mid december) and Brzoja, Mazalin is just 19, he will be a type of player that does a little bit of everything, just needs time to put it all together. Could develop into a solid EL player. Barać's ceiling is not very high, but he is more than good for ABA league, I think that he will, eventually, end up in some mid level ACB league team. Young team that will grow as the season progresses, they are missing couple of more experienced players. They have good ball movement, lots of pick&rolls, good off ball movement, very nice offensive flow, but they lack more toughness in the paint and they need to be way more aggressive defensively. Some of that stuff will come naturally with experience.

CoachZ
10-06-2016, 06:50 PM
Pornography in Zadar. Zvezda is just crushing opponents now. At one point the run was 38-9. Even Dobric and Simanic made an impact. I can't remember when Zvezda looked this good. Fantastic start.

http://www.aba-liga.com/match.php?id=16&tab=statistic_FullStatistic

pohani komarac
10-07-2016, 08:23 AM
Did you watch Zadar's games mate?? They seem to have a very interesting young team this year, many talented players. I saw some of Mazzalin and he looks like being back on the right way, he'll never be the next Drazen Petrovic of course and he hasn't worked on his outside shot sadly, but he has the tools I think to become a very good EL level all around forward if he keeps on that way! What do you think? Besides him, also Boris Barac looks like being on great shape and ready to step up. I'd like also to hear a bit about Mislav Brzoja performance. Thanks in advance. :)

Brzoja is skilled guard, but lacks athletic abilities. I hope he develops something like Simon. He is better defender then Simon, just need get some consistency and lose some weight.
With return of Basic and when they register Kovacevic and Maric they will have nice rotation on 1-2-3. I also like that tiny PG Jelenkovic. He has some nice potential.
Mazalin works on his shoot, but he just has broken arm's. This is key season for him.
They are interesting, lots of offensive players and coach that likes to give freedom to his players. Hope that works out for them

Picek
10-08-2016, 06:49 PM
Cedevita won against Zadar by 58 points.
120-62

BiHBasket
10-08-2016, 06:54 PM
Poor Zadar, it was a dunking show for Cedevita


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoSBN0nu0U8

Picek
10-09-2016, 03:44 PM
So I dont thinks that Cibona looks stronger then Mega, although I agree that they will not make last year result either(ABA finals).
but they will definitely be in top of league, and in fight for f4 place...
I don't think we should wait any further to make the following comment.
and that is, If this Mega will be in fight for F4 place then this league has no future.
I'm glad they look as awful as they do now.
in Miško's face..

CoachZ
10-09-2016, 06:07 PM
I don't think we should wait any further to make the following comment.
and that is, If this Mega will be in fight for F4 place then this league has no future.
I'm glad they look as awful as they do now.
in Miško's face..

If you think that Misko cares about the F4 you are quite wrong :D

All he cares is staying in ABA and signing more kids to make money off from in the future. For that, they are safe...

Obina
10-09-2016, 09:17 PM
Zizic 35 pts, 20 reb and 3 blk. :D

pohani komarac
10-10-2016, 07:32 AM
Zizic 35 pts, 20 reb and 3 blk. :D

37. Ante turning into monster

Btw Lovro Mazalin so far has dunk of the season


https://youtu.be/gBp4-2ueCqs

MZT Skopje
10-12-2016, 09:57 PM
MZT with a reccord budget of 1.200.000 euros started the season disastrous, stramota in former YU language. With that kind of money you should fight for F4.... MZT sport director gott fired...... I understand that cuz MZT made whole lot better result with 400.000 euros last year....

Coach also gott fired... Also 2 players Jermaja Mejsi and Thomas and 2 new players will arrive in the days.. Lets see who.... Menwhile MZT signed Sinovec too.... Should start to look better anytimesoon but the season is over after poor work by sport director and lets save what can be saved.

Picek
10-14-2016, 12:58 PM
as expected Cedevita is looking for a PG solution and possibly another PF.
they will probably fire James.
when you have too much money and an idiot for a sports director this kind of things happen.

BiHBasket
10-15-2016, 06:44 PM
What happned to Karlo Zganec, he was on my "10 worst basketball players I ever saw" list, couldn't score at all, but in this season he is good for Cedevita, almost really good. Someone worked hard as it seems.

MZT Skopje
10-15-2016, 07:21 PM
This Karpos Sokoli team seriously should be thrown out from ABA league. Com on what is this ? you can fight and at least lose with honor but what is this every singel game opponents all 40 min either have ziher lay up or open shoot... This is the worst defense ever seen on basketball court in the history of basketball. Why so bad motivation to play defense just do not get it.

This is very unprofessional and what really worry me is the coach he do not shout on players or anything... To pick up fight in defense. Just so wired..

Picek
10-16-2016, 07:34 AM
What happned to Karlo Zganec, he was on my "10 worst basketball players I ever saw" list, couldn't score at all, but in this season he is good for Cedevita, almost really good. Someone worked hard as it seems.defensively he has always been good and now is very good.
offense is his problem, he has no mid range jump shoot, won't even mention 3p shooting as he simply doesn't even try it. it is that bad.
but his fighting spirit and his good positioning and anticipation makes him good close to the rim.
I personally like him much more then over hyped Arapović.

MZT Skopje
10-16-2016, 09:33 AM
Karpos will reconstruct the team many will leave many new will come.. Matic just had it. He say players Don't do what we agree on noor in defense noor offensive..

Матиќ бесен, ќе прави реконструкција
http://sportmedia.mk/kosharka/aba-liga/matikj-besen-kje-pravi-rekonstrukcija

BiHBasket
11-04-2016, 07:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7GbiTiuAR0

BiHBasket
12-04-2016, 12:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYegwkOfUoo

Serbian_Layup
02-26-2017, 11:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1kn-3VNT28

Freakish athlete with outstanding upside. Too bad that people who run KK Budućnost are so short-sighted and clueless. Should have had big minutes already this season.