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serbianhoops
01-20-2016, 04:20 PM
Bosnian Serbs, PG Danilo Cvetić ('00), G Vojin Ilić ('00), G Stefan Spasojević ('00), G Đorđe Pantić ('01) and as expected Saša Antunović ('01) who were (un)successfully tested last summer by the Basketball Federation of Serbia alongside dozens of local peers will wear Bosnia-Herzegovina jersey on the international level.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdXLtNV55M8

Budućnost Bijeljina's 6'7" PF Milan Manojlović ('01) is also said to follow his teammates' steps (6'8" F Nikola Đaković ('00) and 6'7" C Saša Antunović), while the situation of 16-year-old 6'0" PG Milenko Frganja's seems still unclear at this stage.

serbianhoops
01-21-2016, 09:49 AM
Worthy of his father (former Tar Heel and French-Bulgarian national team player Vassil aka "Vasco"), North Carolina based 6'7" and 240 lbs C Nicholas Evtimov ('00) is potentially eligible to play for Bulgaria, France, or the USA. Real inside banger with terrific footwork who plays as physical as his dad. Could end up being very impressive as he continues to get taller and grow stronger.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghdDZIBdcTM

serbianhoops
01-22-2016, 12:09 PM
The U16 Division A draw has been released :

Group A : Italy, Spain, Sweden & Latvia.

Group B : Germany, Turkey, Poland & Croatia.

Group C : Lithuania, France, Montenegro & Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Group D : Greece, Serbia, Estoniia & Finland.

BiHBasket
01-31-2016, 03:18 AM
Bosnian generation 2000 lacks talent, but there are good prospects in the generation 2001, I think they will have important role already in this year U - 16 team. Some of them:

Amar Mehic is a 6'10'' tall C from Union Olimpija, Slovenia. Surprisingly mobile for his size and already have decent post moves. Still growing, cound end as 7'0'' in the end.

Tarik Biberovic is a 6'6'' tall SG from Spars Sarajevo. Strong frame, good ball handler, possess NBA three - point shoot range. Just huge scorer.

Deni Radak is a 6'3'' tall PG, also from Spars Sarajevo. Quick footwork in defence and great court vision in offense. Seems like a late bloomer, I don't expect a lot from him right now, but for a couples year more he could end as a best player from this team.

I must say it again, they are 2001 born players, but as the generation 2000 lacks great talent, we will have to rely on them.

serbianhoops
01-31-2016, 05:07 PM
The Basketball Federation of Serbia should try to get in touch with Tarik Biberović, given that his 6'9" father Izudin was born in Novi Pazar (southwestern Serbia). However, it seems very unlikely that he may be interested to play for Serbia.

carlo
02-17-2016, 05:57 PM
Updated players list for Jordan Brand Classic in Zagreb (March 4-6):
http://www.eurohopes.com/news/6192/who_is_going_to_the_jordan_brand_classic_in_zagreb ?

Eurohopes Top-five 2000-born prospects:

1. Marko Pecarski (Srb)
2. Oton Jankovic (Cro)
3. Balsa Koprivica (Srb)
4. Sekou Doumbouya (Fra)
5. Filip Petrusev (Srb)

carlo
03-11-2016, 08:35 AM
10 European players named to the Jordan Brand Classic International game that will be played by mid-April in NY:

Oton Jankovic (CRO)
Carlos Alocen, Joel Parra (ESP)
Arturs Kurucs (LAT)
Domantas Vilys (LTU)
Nikola Zizic (MNE)
Aleksander Balcerowski (POL)
Aleksandr Ershov (RUS)
Marko Pecarski, Filip Petrushev (SRB)

vaslover
03-11-2016, 10:55 AM
Aleksandr Ershov is from Enisey Krasnoyarsk. New version of Alexey Shved/Dmitriy Kulagin.

http://jumpball.ru/players/421

serbianhoops
03-12-2016, 02:11 AM
7'1" C with 7'5" wingspan Balsa Koprivica has lost weight (around 25 pounds of body fat) and appears lighter and in a far better shape in his latest video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKVrZSEN1Yc

carlo
03-15-2016, 04:08 PM
Spain roster (http://www.feb.es/Documentos/Archivo/Upload/U16MSEMANASANTA2016.pdf) for the Levice International Tournament (SVK, 23-27 March).
Other participants: Czech Republic, Poland and host Slovakia.

pohani komarac
03-17-2016, 09:07 AM
10 European players named to the Jordan Brand Classic International game that will be played by mid-April in NY:

Oton Jankovic (CRO)
Carlos Alocen, Joel Parra (ESP)
Arturs Kurucs (LAT)
Domantas Vilys (LTU)
Nikola Zizic (MNE)
Aleksander Balcerowski (POL)
Aleksandr Ershov (RUS)
Marko Pecarski, Filip Petrushev (SRB)

Luka Samanic, 207 PF did not participate in JBC because he signed contract with Adidas. He might be most talented prospect of generation

https://youtu.be/ESXfaoXh9vU

Dreamcatcher
03-17-2016, 04:30 PM
Luka Samanic, 207 PF did not participate in JBC because he signed contract with Adidas. He might be most talented prospect of generation

https://youtu.be/ESXfaoXh9vU

Why do Adidas (Nike also?) sign contracts with some kids in Chroatia (how do they benefit from this? I mean Adidas) and don't allow them to participate in EC or WC (Bender and some others if i'm not mistaken) and in such camps like JBC also.

Srle
03-17-2016, 05:59 PM
7'1" C with 7'5" wingspan Balsa Koprivica has lost weight (around 25 pounds of body fat) and appears lighter and in a far better shape in his latest video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKVrZSEN1Yc

He should dominate championship, I mean he's blocking black kids, dunking over them, shooting jumpers etc.;) Center position looks rock solid, Koprivica,Pecarski and Petrusev.

pohani komarac
03-17-2016, 10:55 PM
Why do Adidas (Nike also?) sign contracts with some kids in Chroatia (how do they benefit from this? I mean Adidas) and don't allow them to participate in EC or WC (Bender and some others if i'm not mistaken) and in such camps like JBC also.

It's easy, tryin to recruit model before competition. I blame parents more, trying to cash kid's too early. JBC is nothing more than that to. Recruitment gathering. Last year they didn't select Musa from same reason.

BiHBasket
03-22-2016, 10:22 PM
Bosnian generation 2000 lacks talent, but there are good prospects in the generation 2001, I think they will have important role already in this year U - 16 team. Some of them:

Amar Mehic is a 6'10'' tall C from Union Olimpija, Slovenia. Surprisingly mobile for his size and already have decent post moves. Still growing, cound end as 7'0'' in the end.

Tarik Biberovic is a 6'6'' tall SG from Spars Sarajevo. Strong frame, good ball handler, possess NBA three - point shoot range. Just huge scorer.

Deni Radak is a 6'3'' tall PG, also from Spars Sarajevo. Quick footwork in defence and great court vision in offense. Seems like a late bloomer, I don't expect a lot from him right now, but for a couples year more he could end as a best player from this team.

I must say it again, they are 2001 born players, but as the generation 2000 lacks great talent, we will have to rely on them.

I will add video material to my post:p

Mehic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiGzlAC1Vnw

Biberovic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orUG0C7SF1Y

carlo
03-25-2016, 07:34 PM
At Lidice tournament Spain leads Czech Republic 51-27 at ht.

In the opener Poland beat host Slovakia 70-65, behind 17pts of Przemek Golek and 12pts+10reb from Szymon Janczak. Juraj Palenik (SVK) led all scorers with 18pts.


Edit: Spain routs Czech Republic 104-62 on a great team effort, with all players scoring and six in double digits led by Manel Signes with 14.

carlo
03-27-2016, 06:37 AM
Spain again above the 100-pt mark at Ledice tournament, 108-56 vs Slovakia, with an impressive FG shooting performance.

http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/1140/17/69/56/26uPchAEr8K1U/

Final will be Spain vs Poland, that won over Czech Rep, 80-62

carlo
03-27-2016, 08:59 AM
Spain sweeps Ledice tournament clearly beating also Poland 93-58, after being challenged only in 1st half (44-36).
Five Spanish players finished scoring in d-d.

http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/1140/17/69/58/87W7MWBeEG2ao/

carlo
03-27-2016, 07:48 PM
Joel Parra (ESP) named MVP at Levice tournament, teammate Adams Sola to All-Tournament team (of three players).

serbianhoops
04-07-2016, 08:59 PM
Class of 2020 6'3 PG Luka Sakota ('01) has been invited to the All-Canadian Game which will feature the Top 24 high school players born in '97 or later that are Canadian and/or playing in Canada. He and class of 2019 Seatlle-based Niko Trifunovic ('00) could two serious contender for a PG spot in Serbia U16 final roster.

carlo
04-12-2016, 06:22 AM
International tournament of Bellegarde (Fra) 15-17 April.

Participants: Croatia, France, Poland and Turkey.

14-player France roster (http://www.ffbb.com/equipe-de-france-u16-masculin-programme-campagne-2016). Nearly the same team that participated in Samsun tournament, with notable addition of prospect center Sékou Doumbouya.

Croatia roster (http://www.hks-cbf.hr/reprezentacije/muske-reprezentacije/u16). Can't see Oton Jankovic in the list.

Update: Jankovic engaged at the Jordan Brand Classic (15 April).

Srle
04-13-2016, 05:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPowgE7WSf0

carlo
04-14-2016, 11:56 AM
Turkey U16 team for Bellegarde:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf_Txe7WsAA-H4P.jpg

Very close to Samsun tournament team.

unkbasket
04-15-2016, 04:19 PM
This is wrong
Adjusted here
http://www.tbf.org.tr/docs/default-source/milli-tak%C4%B1mlar/kadro-u16-erkek-15-04-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=2

carlo
04-15-2016, 06:10 PM
This is wrong
Adjusted here
http://www.tbf.org.tr/docs/default-source/milli-tak%C4%B1mlar/kadro-u16-erkek-15-04-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=2

What is wrong?

carlo
04-16-2016, 11:23 AM
Croatia and France win over Turkey and Poland on D1 of Bellegarde tournament.
Top prospect Sékou Doumbouya starred for France with 32 pts and 12 reb.

http://www.tournoi-bellegarde-basket.fr/program_results_stats/results_stats.html

carlo
04-17-2016, 06:18 AM
France is 2-0 after D2 of Bellegarde tournament and will meet Turkey (1-1) in the final game. Croatia (1-1) will face winless Poland.
Yesterday's box scores here (http://www.tournoi-bellegarde-basket.fr/program_results_stats/results_stats.html).

carlo
04-17-2016, 05:59 PM
Turkey upset France in D3 and won the Bellegarde tournament. Mert Konuk 27 pts, Sékou Doumbouya was 2/12 on FG shooting.
Box score (http://f3.quomodo.com/3C975E68/uploads/565/306.pdf)

In another surprising outcome, Poland edged Croatia finishing 3rd.
Box score (http://f3.quomodo.com/3C975E68/uploads/566/305.pdf)

slice me nice
04-17-2016, 08:11 PM
Turkey upset France in D3 and won the Bellegarde tournament. Mert Konuk 27 pts, Sékou Doumbouya was 2/12 on FG shooting.
Box score (http://f3.quomodo.com/3C975E68/uploads/565/306.pdf)

In another surprising outcome, Poland edged Croatia finishing 3rd.
Box score (http://f3.quomodo.com/3C975E68/uploads/566/305.pdf)

Kudos to our guys. Mert Konuk was named the MVP of this tournament. 22 PPG. It really sucks there was no stream. I really don't think it is so hard to afford a camera and a cameraman to this type of tournament. According to stats, the problematic part of this team was the assists and sharing the ball. It is not a big surprise for me since I couldn't see Eray Akyüz in the team who is one of the good PGs that we have raised in the recent years. He averaged 6 APG himself in the latest tournament but as far as I see, we averaged the same number of assists in this tournament as ''team''. That's a bad sign for this generation. Watching Mert Konuk is a pleasure. He is Onuralp Bitim of this generation, not the same type of SG but definitely has the same scoring instinct. We will see if he can shoulder his team this summer.

carlo
05-25-2016, 08:36 PM
Turkey 20-player preliminary roster:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjT40QIXEAAlqs7.jpg:large

serbianhoops
06-15-2016, 09:11 AM
US tactician Joey Tate, head coach of the Taft High School boys’ basketball team, will be the head coach of the Fomer Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia U16 National Team this summer for the European Championship.

serbianhoops
06-15-2016, 11:04 AM
Tragic news


On the evening of 13 June, the result of an accident killed two talented Latvian basketball player Kristian Stefanovskis and Kristians Puris, confirmed the portal Delfi Director of BC "Ventspils" Ralf Planets.
Both of the dead — born in 2000 and were one of the most talented players in the system of basketball club "Ventspils". Both played in the second division of the Latvian basketball League (LBL) for the team of Ventspils University College, were candidates in the national team U-16.
"Tragic. Both guys were real leaders. Very talented and with great potential for the future," said Planets.
Athletes returned to Ventspils from Riga, and was involved in a tragic accident on the road Talsi — Stand — Kuldiga. In addition to guys, in the accident killed and driving a car a girl born in 1997, which was also a pupil of University College school basketball and a team player.

Srle
06-19-2016, 11:43 AM
Balsa Koprivica will play for Montenegro in the future, his parents wish.

serbianhoops
06-23-2016, 09:15 PM
Time will tell.

Given that almost half of Belgrade citizens have at least a grandparent born in Montenegro, it's highly probable that it is also the case of Balsa which makes him potentially eligible to play for them.

Srle
06-25-2016, 09:18 PM
He should chose Serbia, he's still presented as Serbian player in USA, if his parents influence his decision to play for Montenegro, their citizenship should be revoked.

Dreamcatcher
06-26-2016, 04:46 PM
All serbian kids can choose to play for Montenegro and the opposite?

serbianhoops
06-27-2016, 02:45 PM
Only those whose at least one grandparent was born in Montenegro (FIBA regulation).

The opposite is not true because Montenegro doesn't allow multiple citizenship unless special cases such as economic citizenship (former Prime Minister of Thailand Thaksin Shinawatra received Montenegrin passport due to his investments in tourism in the country which were reported to be in the range of millions of Euros, despite pending charges of corruption that had been laid against him in his home country) and citizenship in the interest of the state (US point guards Omar Cook, Taylor Rochestie and Tyreese Rice).

serbianhoops
06-27-2016, 04:24 PM
Serbia U16 20-player training camp roster.

Marko Pecarski (Mega Leks)
Bogdan Nedeljkovic (Mega Leks)
Dejan Marjanac Dejan (Vizura Shark Belgrade)
Alen Smajlagic (Beko Belgrade)
Mihajlo Stojanov (Beko Belgrade)
Matija Jovanovic (Partizan)
Uros Isailovic (Partizan)
Veljko Radakovic (Vojvodina Novi Sad)
Toma Vasiljevic (Sport's vorld Novi Sad)
Stevan Karapandzic (Plej Kraljevo)
Zoran Paunovic (Crvena zvezda)
Lazar Vasic (Crvena zvezda)
Luka Cerovina (Polet Ratina)
Dalibor Ilic (Igokea Aleksandrovac)
Mario Nakic (Real Madrid, Spain)
Lazar Zivanovic (Real Madrid, Spain)
Filip PetruSev (Laboral Kutxa Vitora, Spain)
Andrej Pokusevski (Olympiacos Piraeus, Greece)
Nikola Ivovic (Paris-Levallois, France)
Balsa Koprivica (University School, USA)

Koprivica is on the list, but let's see if he will show up.

Srle
06-27-2016, 10:43 PM
Some names are missing from that list. Milenko Fragnja kid from Visegrad , Djordje Pazin great young talent from Stella Azzaura and Lazar Scekic, he is literally huge ,over 210 cm with very long arms, he's movement right now is awkward and his coordination in general, but I think he should have been on this list.

carlo
06-28-2016, 06:17 AM
Italy training camp (13-20 July) preliminary roster:

Battistuzzi Leonardo (2000, F/C)
Berra Gabriele (2000, Fw)
Borsello Alessio (2000, F/C)
Cavallo Matteo (2000, Fw)
Chessari Roberto (2000, G)
Chinellato Riccardo (2000, Fw)
Cipolla Alessandro (2000, PG)
Conti Luca (2000, Fw)
Cremaschi Lorenzo (2000, F/C)
Dellosto Nicolo’ (2000, G)
Dieng Omar (2000, F/C)
Egwoh C. Christopher (2000, Fw)
Graziani Matteo (2000, G)
Lagana’ Matteo (2000, PG)
Miaschi Federico (2000, G)
Nasini Pietro (2000, PG)
Palumbo Mattia (2000, G)
Sarto Alvise (2000, PG)

BiHBasket
07-02-2016, 04:42 PM
It seems that FIBA changed tournament system(check at FIBA U -16 2016 page), so U - 16 European Championship and possible other European under tournaments will be played on the same way as U - 17 and U - 19 World Championships: All four teams progress from group stage, and then elimination phase starts.

While i personally more like elimination games after the group phase than second group phase system, I have seriously problem with one part of this system:

All the teams from the group phase progress in the next round. So what's the point of the group phase anyway?

And even being first in the group will not guarante you anything. There will always be stronger and weaker groups, so first team from one group could get stronger opponent in the round of 16 than let's say third team from other group.

Also, there is a room for a lot of calculations here. You can predict who will be your opponent in the quarterfinals or the semifinals, and you can try to avoid him if you don't like your opponent. Of course, there's no USA in the European Championship, but still.

There are serious flaws with this system. Elimination games after group stage is fine, but even last team from the groups will go into the next round...dear God.

BiHBasket
07-10-2016, 10:35 PM
Croatia - Montenegro 61 : 76

Guard Jovan Kljajić (01', 6'3'') 26 points for Montenegro.

serbianhoops
07-11-2016, 11:59 AM
Results of the U16 warm-up tourney held in Skopje from 8 to 10 July 2016.

Bulgaria - Turkey (58-82) (http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/MSL/305033/)

Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia - Russia (67-89) (http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/MSL/305034/)

Russia - Bulgaria (97-83) (http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/MSL/305035/)

Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia - Turkey (47-77) (http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/MSL/305036/)

Turkey - Russia (68-60) (http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/MSL/305038/)

Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia - Bulgaria (68-72) (http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/MSL/305037/)

MVP : Mert Akay (Turkey)

serbianhoops
07-13-2016, 09:22 AM
Bosnia and Herzegovina U16 NT initial 20-player list.

Luka Vukovic (Basket 2000 Banja Luka)
Milan Manojlovic (Buducnost Bijeljina)
Djordje Visnjic (Buducnost Bjeljina)
Nedim Dzuvo (Gen Sarajevo)
Danilo Cvijetic (Igokea Aleksandrovac)
Danilo Slijepcevic (Kos Sarajevo)
Kenan Kamenjas (Kos Sarajevo)
Amar Mehic (Mega Leks Belgrade)
Josip Ramljak (Posusje)
Stefan Milosevic (Rookie Banja Luka)
Djordje Topolovic (Rookie Banja Luka)
Milenko Frganja (Varda Visegrad)
Mihajlo Neskovic (Varda Visegrad)
Nedim Omerovic (Sloboda Tuzla)
Armin Subasic (Sloboda Tuzla)
Vojin Ilic (Spars Sarajevo)
Ervin Gutic (Spars Sarajevo)
Tarik Biberovic (Spars Sarajevo)
Semir Karic (Spars Sarajevo)
Amar Tiganj (Spars Sarajevo)

Nedim Dzuvo is the half-brother of Eastern Michigan 6'10" commit Baylee Steele.

Last year Milenko Frganja was the starting point guard of Serbia U15 national team.
9039

Last year's youngest player 6'7" Nikola Djakovic is missing.

Utopija
07-13-2016, 11:44 AM
Denis Milinovic was born on 13th August 1999, so he is unavailable to play for this generation of BiH... Djakovic is in Sarajevo, came earlier today with his coach Cojic, but he should not play this year... there is small possibility that he will recover and be able for play... but that possibility should not turn-off... maybe he will recover...

BiHBasket
07-13-2016, 10:13 PM
I don't care for this year, just stay in division A. But U16 EC 2017 is way more important because it will serve as a qualifications for the U17 WC 2018, and Bosnian generation 01' is way more talented than the generation 00'.

And some names on that supposed list are wrong. There's no "Tarik Dzuvo" in Gen. Just Nedim Dzuvo.

And Denis Milinovic is not 6'3'', he is a bulky 6'8'', but he isn't important for this topic anyway.


As I said it couple of months before, although they are 01' born, Mehic(moved to Mega Leks recently) and Biberovic are my favourite players from this year team.

Some new Biberovic highlights, clips are from games against Efes Pilsen and Tofas from Turkey and Cedevita from Croatia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrWrvu6Wghk

serbianhoops
07-13-2016, 11:00 PM
Thank you for correcting me about the prospects of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. It's not really my area of focus.

BiHBasket
07-22-2016, 08:08 PM
Preparation game

Montenegro - BiH 99 : 45 :eek::mad::)

Montenegro was leaded by 6'3'' guard Jovan Kljajic(01'), he scored 24 points.

carlo
07-23-2016, 09:18 AM
Czech Republic, Italy, Serbia and host France are preparing at Chateauroux tournament.
In D1 games Serbia beat Italy 92-87, behind 21 pts by Pecarski and 17 by Petrusev. Smailagic (12), Zivanovic (11) and Stojanov (10) also scored in double digits. Italy was led by Federico Miaschi (27 pts), followed by Mattia Palumbo (15) and Nicolò Dellosto (10).
In another game France easily outscored CZE 74-37.

serbianhoops
07-23-2016, 07:05 PM
Chateauroux Day 2

Marko Pecarski registered 40 points on 16/22 FG and 16 boards in Serbia's 89-70 win over Czech Republic.

serbianhoops
07-23-2016, 07:53 PM
Preparation game

Montenegro - BiH 99 : 45 :eek::mad::)

Montenegro was leaded by 6'3'' guard Jovan Kljajic(01'), he scored 24 points.

Bosnia and Herzegovina played without several players due to small injuries recovery (Biberovic, Neskovic, Vojin Ilic...)

Srle
07-24-2016, 06:31 PM
Our cadet team have won tournament in France, they beat the host team 79-70, Pecarski with another monster dabl dabl 38 pts 13 rbd , imagine if Koprivica was with the team :D

carlo
07-24-2016, 08:24 PM
Just some more information on Chateauroux tournament.
Marko Pecarski obviously named tournament's MVP, he also finished as the top scorer.
Final standing: 1. Serbia (3-0) 2. Italy (2-1) 3. France (1-2) 4. Czech Republic (0-3)

carlo
07-26-2016, 03:43 PM
Germany beat Greece 66-54 in a friendly which was part of a training camp hosted by Greece. Germany leads the series 3-1.

carlo
07-30-2016, 01:41 PM
Two tournaments underway involving eight teams.

In Caorle (Ita), Croatia beat Poland 57-51 (Planinic 16, Samanic 12) and Russia edged Italy 78-77 (Ershov 22, Shevchuk 15, Shashkov 14+11; Palumbo 19, Miaschi 17, Dieng 16).

In Guadalajara (Esp), Germany won over France 83-76 on OT with 16 pts from Jonas Mattisseck, while Spain beat Greece 75-57, led by Joel Parra 16 pts.

carlo
07-31-2016, 07:35 AM
Guadalajara tournament D2:
Greece-France 63-56 (Chatziveroglou 20 - Ayiayi 15)
Spain-Germany 77-55 (Carlos Alocen 22, Joel Parra 15 - Hendrik Drescher 15)

carlo
07-31-2016, 02:37 PM
Caorle tournament D2:
Croatia won over Italy at OT, 69-63, Samanic (CRO) and Conti (ITA) scored 19 pts.
Russia lost to Poland 71-58 despite 22 pts from Ershov.

carlo
08-01-2016, 07:02 AM
Spain also beat France 91-81 in Guadalajara, winning the tournament (3-0). Parra (15) and Alocen (13) led the winners.
Greece finished 2nd (2-1) after edging Germany (1-2) 56-52. Chatzidakis was the dominant force for Greek team with 18 pts and 9 reb.

carlo
08-01-2016, 04:46 PM
Russia won Caorle tournament defeating Croatia in last day, 72-69, with 25 pts and 12 reb from Shashkov.
Italy beat Poland 74-59 for its first win, behind 18 pts of Gabriele Berra.
Final standing: 1.Russia (2-1), 2. Croatia (2-1), 3.Italy (1-2), 4. Poland (1-2).

serbianhoops
08-02-2016, 07:27 PM
Montenegro beat Bosnia and Herzegovina twice in friendly games.

Bosnia and Herzegovina - Montenegro (62-87) (http://kscg.me/images/sve/Bosna_i_Hercegovina_-_CG_01.08.2016.jpg)
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Montenegro (61-74) (http://kscg.me/images/sve/Bosna_i_Hercegovina_-_Crna_Gora_02.08.jpg)

Mika Hakinen
08-04-2016, 02:56 PM
Latvia - Russia. We played without Ershov
http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/LBS/306872/pbp.html

carlo
08-05-2016, 09:31 AM
Lithuania beat Ukraine twice in friendly games.
Box scores:
game1 (http://www.musukrepsinis.lt/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/LTU-UKR-U16-vaikinai.pdf)
game2 (http://www.musukrepsinis.lt/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/LTU-UKR-2016-08-04.pdf)

serbianhoops
08-05-2016, 10:13 PM
Serbia - Hungary (77-52)

Serbia : Stojanov 2, Isailovic, Vasic 4, Vasiljevic 2, Nedeljkovic 2, Ilic 11, Vasic, Paunovic, Smajilagic 12, Petrusev 12, Zivanovic 8, Jovanovic, Pecarski 24, Karapandzic, Ivovic.

Hungary : Toth 3, Sitku 2, Polster 2, Takacs 4, Dancsecs 4, Frank 5, Martinez 6, Meleg 7, Fazekas 8, Varga 5, Kelenfoldi, Kovacs 2, Somogyi 5.

serbianhoops
08-06-2016, 09:55 PM
Serbia - Hungary (89-59)

Serbia : Karapandzic, Isailovic 3, Vasic 2, Vasiljevic, Nedeljkovic, Ilic 11, Paunovic 10, Petrusev 25, Zivanovic 6, Jovanovic, Pecarski 32, Ivovic.

Hungary : Toth 5, Sitku 1, Polster 2, Takacs, Dancsecs 12, Frank 2, Martinez 2, Meleg 7, Fazekas 4, Varga, Kelenfoldi 3, Kovacs 3, Somogyi 18.

BiHBasket
08-07-2016, 10:44 PM
Did ever happend that one national team won U16 EC and in next year championship that national team was eliminated in the division B? Maybe Carlo knows:p

If it never happened, this may be the first time. BiH team looks horrible, lost all the preparation games by huge margin, terrible coach, terrible selection, they had only one(final) gathering and played only 4 preparation games(and 3 were against same oponent - Montenegro), so Bosnian basketball association should be blamed.


Although, Tarik Biberovic(01') maybe the best player in this team missed all the preparation games because of injury but should be ready for the U16 EC, maybe they will make some progress with him in the team, but still...

carlo
08-08-2016, 06:10 AM
Did ever happend that one national team won U16 EC and in next year championship that national team was eliminated in the division B? Maybe Carlo knows:p

If it never happened, this may be the first time. BiH team looks horrible, lost all the preparation games by huge margin, terrible coach, terrible selection, they had only one(final) gathering and played only 4 preparation games(and 3 were against same oponent - Montenegro), so Bosnian basketball association should be blamed.


Although, Tarik Biberovic(01') maybe the best player in this team missed all the preparation games because of injury but should be ready for the U16 EC, maybe they will make some progress with him in the team, but still...

Never happened afaik, not even in other euro-youth tournaments, though the existence of B-Division & relegation rule has been in force in the last 10 years or so.

carlo
08-08-2016, 09:50 AM
Latvia beat Russia 74-65 in another friendly. Arturs Zagars was high for the winners with 18 pts, followed by Anrijs Miska with 12 (+9 reb). Shashkov topped Russia with 16 (+14 reb) and Sinebabnov had 11, while Sheshchuk finished with 7 asts.

Hepcat
08-10-2016, 12:48 PM
I keep wondering why the thread starter for these youth tournaments doesn't provide the starting date and location of the tournament in his initial post.

:confused:

BiHBasket
08-10-2016, 02:34 PM
BiH final 12:

PG Semir Karić (00') 5'10'' Spars

PG Danilo Cvetić (00') 6'1'' Igokea

SG Stefan Milošević (01') 6'3'' Rookie

SG Đorđe Višnjić (00') 6'4'' Budućnost

SG Amar Tiganj (00') 6'2'' Spars

SG Luka Vuković (00') 6'3'' Basket 2000

SF Tarik Biberović (01') 6'6'' Spars

SF Vojin Ilić (00') 6'6'' Spars

PF Erwin Gutić (00') 6'9'' Spars

C Kenan Kamenjaš (00') 6'9'' Koš

C Nedim Omerović (00') 6'9'' Sloboda

C Amar Mehić (01') 6'10'' Mega Leks


It will be a fight to keep division A status.

BiHBasket
08-12-2016, 12:19 AM
FIBA really should do something about players height database :rolleyes:

Once again it's so wrong, just examples from Bosnian team:

- D. Cvetic is listed as 198 cm. While actually he is not even 190 cm tall.

- Both K. Kamenjas and N. Omerovic are listed as 196 cm tall, while actually both of them are more than 200 cm tall.

And positions;) Just for example: N. Omerovic is listed as SG while actually he is a PF/C. And it's messed with other players too.

FIBA site is becoming better by time, but this issue is still there.

carlo
08-12-2016, 06:36 AM
EC tournament starts today in Radom, POL.
http://www.fiba.com/europe/u16/2016

It seems that games will be streamed.


Div. B tournament is underway in Sofia, BUL.
http://www.fiba.com/europe/u16b/2016

turk-jugoslav
08-12-2016, 02:42 PM
FIBA really should do something about players height database :rolleyes:

Once again it's so wrong, just examples from Bosnian team:

- D. Cvetic is listed as 198 cm. While actually he is not even 190 cm tall.

- Both K. Kamenjas and N. Omerovic are listed as 196 cm tall, while actually both of them are more than 200 cm tall.

And positions;) Just for example: N. Omerovic is listed as SG while actually he is a PF/C. And it's messed with other players too.

FIBA site is becoming better by time, but this issue is still there.

The problem here is that some players prefer to be listed on shoes while others not and some players exaggarate their heighs. For instance, in the last EC, Pau looked taller than Pleiss to me while I was watching Germany-Spain game, then I checked out the heights of both in NBA's website. It says: Pau 2.13, Tibor: 2.21! Wtf?? The reality is Pau is around 2.14 without shoes and Tibor also has similar height. One side doesn't need to look taller, other side wants otherwise.

Dreamcatcher
08-12-2016, 02:49 PM
EC tournament starts today in Radom, POL.
http://www.fiba.com/europe/u16/2016

It seems that games will be streamed.


Div. B tournament is underway in Sofia, BUL.
http://www.fiba.com/europe/u16b/2016

Games have always been streamed last few years. But here is kinda creepy - from the high.

carlo
08-12-2016, 03:00 PM
Games have always been streamed last few years. But here is kinda creepy - from the high.

U16 EC Women's 2016 games haven't been streamed until Ro16.

Dreamcatcher
08-12-2016, 03:18 PM
U16 EC Women's 2016 games haven't been streamed until Ro16.

Maybe, i don't follow women basketball.

BiHBasket
08-12-2016, 03:27 PM
The problem here is that some players prefer to be listed on shoes while others not and some players exaggarate their heighs. For instance, in the last EC, Pau looked taller than Pleiss to me while I was watching Germany-Spain game, then I checked out the heights of both in NBA's website. It says: Pau 2.13, Tibor: 2.21! Wtf?? The reality is Pau is around 2.14 without shoes and Tibor also has similar height. One side doesn't need to look taller, other side wants otherwise.

This is even worse than that.

D. Cvetic is listed as 198 cm tall. As much as I know, he is 185 cm at best case(in shoes).

N. Omerovic is listed as SG. And he is a PF/C. Listed as 196 cm. And he is even without shoes at least 200 cm tall.

Bizarre.

Dreamcatcher
08-12-2016, 11:07 PM
Is Drobnjak from Montenegro the son of former basketball player?

gockun
08-13-2016, 11:28 AM
why is Doumbouya isn't in French roster? and what about that monster in Spain, is he really born in 02'?

carlo
08-13-2016, 04:38 PM
why is Doumbouya isn't in French roster? and what about that monster in Spain, is he really born in 02'?

In fact Doumbouya should have been in French roster, he's #1, but I couldn't track why he's out, maybe injured?

If you refer to Spain's Usman Garuba, yes he's just 14, 2002-born. He's expected to be Spain's next big thing and was named MVP of his class-age championsip.
http://www.feb.es/2016/6/18/baloncesto/usman-garuba-mvp-final-del-campeonato/65123.aspx

gockun
08-14-2016, 07:42 AM
In fact Doumbouya should have been in French roster, he's #1, but I couldn't track why he's out, maybe injured?

If you refer to Spain's Usman Garuba, yes he's just 14, 2002-born. He's expected to be Spain's next big thing and was named MVP of his class-age championsip.
http://www.feb.es/2016/6/18/baloncesto/usman-garuba-mvp-final-del-campeonato/65123.aspx

The tournement does not look so convincing in talent wise. But Usman Garuba just beeing only 14 and dominating everyone is something special that i haven't seen since Kanter. On the other hand he seem to have already matured body which I dont know if it is a good thing. Marko Pecarski of Serbia looks solid too, but his style looks like Darko Miliçiç/Zoran Erceg... As for Turkish team we managed to win fisrt two, maybe we go for another medal but there is no future prospect here, only some role players at best.

pohani komarac
08-15-2016, 06:30 PM
I doubt he is 14

R1ou
08-15-2016, 06:35 PM
I doubt he is 14

Me too.It's to mainstream to change the original age however.I suspect he is around 16.

saritasbora
08-16-2016, 05:17 PM
holy shit that garuba kid faked his age for sure.
he's at least 19
how does fiba allow this shit while it's that obvious?

Dreamcatcher
08-16-2016, 05:26 PM
He can be 30. [deleted] - Levenspiel

slice me nice
08-16-2016, 05:38 PM
Good and important win over Latvia. This '00 generation is reforming the Turkish basketball understanding in its own right. We are playing C'less basketball, the potential of frontcourt is extremely limited and the guards are taking all the organizations upon themselves unlike the other Turkish teams. We have two great potentials at guard rotation in Akyüz and Konuk, although the latter has been not that impressive yet, the former has showed his quality when it comes taking the helms of the team. After such a long time, we have an intriguing PG prospect and he has been shouldering his team as the tournament got start. I have already had in faith in him, but to be honest, didn't expect him to play such a role. Akyüz's self-confidence is impressive, can cope up with the mental downfall of his team during the game and spark off his teammates for the hustle and effort. Leadership is there, he becomes the leader of team by taking that role from Konuk who is expected to make a better impact on this tournament. All I want to say is that after having 10-15 U-teams where the decision makers and dominant players had been the big men, we have a PG-oriented team right now. Impressive stuff for me.

Dirtyh
08-16-2016, 07:35 PM
Finland up by 2 on half time. I gotta say that we are way, way better team than BiH but our shooting has been absolutely ice cold tonight. Our defense has been very good and we have shot 12 shots more from the field and 7 shots more from charity line and still leading only 2 points. Interesting to see if BiH finds the way to move the ball in offense and get better looks. If Finland keeps shooting like that they have good chance to win.

gockun
08-16-2016, 07:58 PM
Good and important win over Latvia. This '00 generation is reforming the Turkish basketball understanding in its own right. We are playing C'less basketball, the potential of frontcourt is extremely limited and the guards are taking all the organizations upon themselves unlike the other Turkish teams. We have two great potentials at guard rotation in Akyüz and Konuk, although the latter has been not that impressive yet, the former has showed his quality when it comes taking the helms of the team. After such a long time, we have an intriguing PG prospect and he has been shouldering his team as the tournament got start. I have already had in faith in him, but to be honest, didn't expect him to play such a role. Akyüz's self-confidence is impressive, can cope up with the mental downfall of his team during the game and spark off his teammates for the hustle and effort. Leadership is there, he becomes the leader of team by taking that role from Konuk who is expected to make a better impact on this tournament. All I want to say is that after having 10-15 U-teams where the decision makers and dominant players had been the big men, we have a PG-oriented team right now. Impressive stuff for me.

Akyüz can't be a PG with this kind of plays. so far very limited court vision, doesn't know (or doesn't want) how involve teammates with the game. He can be a good combo but his frame doesn't suit for that. He has to change his mentallity.

slice me nice
08-17-2016, 08:41 AM
Akyüz can't be a PG with this kind of plays. so far very limited court vision, doesn't know (or doesn't want) how involve teammates with the game. He can be a good combo but his frame doesn't suit for that. He has to change his mentallity.

It's all the matter of his role in team. He is having problems with counting his teammates in game because of the weakness at frontcourt, it's not only his fault but the lack of presence of big men. All you can do are few PnR attempt on Alperen Demir or PnP on Mert Camcı. No option for a guard within the team system, as the coach knows this fact, he has tried to transform Akyüz into a scoring PG. He is playing like a floor general whose priority is scoring rather than making the side roles becoming involved in the game. Akyüz has already showed his PG class in U17 WC and Turkish championship (6,6 APG). When he is surrounded with solid players, he is showing very good PG show. His creativity for his age is perfect. He of course has a lot of deficiencies, but for me, his selfishness is not one of the features on that list. He is sharing the ball and dishing assists to his teammates in a proper team. It is hard to call this Turkish team as balanced one. Don't expect logical stuffs while watching this team.

In case of Usman Garuba, he was listed as '00 born player by Spanish basketball federation during the ISCAR preparation tournament on December 2015. It is unnatural, he has became 2 years younger in progress of time. Who says you can't face a Benjamin Button in a real life.

Dreamcatcher
08-18-2016, 03:56 PM
Chroatia - Lithuania is the first semifinal. Lithuania won all games by at least 10+pts.

carlo
08-18-2016, 04:00 PM
Lithuania was too much for Italy after leading for the full game. Italian team at times played a good defense and tried to stay within range, but in the last minutes Lithuania pulled away ending 84-67. LTU is one of the favorites and the most consistent team in the tournament so far.

Levenspiel
08-18-2016, 08:03 PM
Marko Pecarski with a huge game against Poland: 45 points (74% fg), 19 reb, 58 rkg.

slice me nice
08-18-2016, 08:16 PM
The coach did everything to present the game to Finns, fortunately Akyüz put a brake on the meaningless decisions and directives of the coach, took back the momentum and lead us the consecutive 12th semi-final appearance in youth tournaments. I couldn't understand why we didn't switch to man to man defense when Finns had started to control the game in the last quarter. That was a suicide to keep the zone defense. The coach literally sink into sleep at that moment.

Akyüz is showing his self confidence by making those clutch shots, so much responsibilities that he is obliged to bear in this team as Konuk is not that effective and playing under his standards. Finally a PG prospect that is not fragile mentally and can make his team bouncing back when it is punched hard. He is showing his scorer identity in this tournament quite well. Yavuz Gültekin is one of the guys that I really like from this generation. A very good display from him, contributed on defense by controlling the glasses and having an all-around offensive performance. He has a massive upside, can easily drop 25 points if he can get bulk a little bit because his physical attribute is a kind of drawback for his potential. An intriguing SF, watch him out. Also, almost zero contribution from the frontcourt on the offensive end again. No more words, never ever seen extremely limited PF/C rotation like that. The main C is usually getting fouled out in slim minutes, no concentration and understanding for the game, although we desperately in need of someone who is at least rebound a little bit. How can you rely on a guy like him, disappointing side of this team.

Dreamcatcher
08-19-2016, 06:23 PM
Lithuania is in the final after beating Croatia by 8 pts. Croatia is defensive team so we scored much less than averaged. In the end Croatian leader Samanic made two 3pointers (he's a big, but tends to make those threes more than playing under the basket) and the difference was only 2 pts, but then our guys hit some thress as well and so was the end. Our main pg Vilys was harmed to the hand that already was harmed and bandanged so that he couldn't perform well (at least it was the main reason), but our second pg Jokubaitis managed to have a good game and was a top scorer with 17 pts.

slice me nice
08-19-2016, 09:03 PM
All the efforts fell short when Garuba was found himself underneath, as we don't have a proper big man to stop him. Actually, Keloğlu did a good job against him, even though he has gotten his first chance in the tournament. He did his best, but was not enough to stop Garuba. That was an intense game, everybody at least tried to remain within the score but after some point, Spanish players showed some creativity and found few easy buckets basing upon assists and took the momentum in their hands. Still, a good performance from the team, we will play bronze medal game tomorrow against Croatia, hope to achieve the third place in return of our great efforts. When you look at the overall performances in the tournament, it is safe to say that Spain and Lithuania have deserved playing the final the most.

I hope we will look over the whole generation once more time, the federation ought to look into all players, especially for the big men rotation. I can't believe there is no big men who can make a good impact on this team. With the addition of a solid center, this generation would seem solid to me. The lack of presence of a big man is affecting the other players' performances in a bad manner too. This is need to be precluded in order to see the maximum capacity of the other players.

auris1
08-19-2016, 09:50 PM
Lithuania is in the final after beating Croatia by 8 pts. Chroatia is defensive team so we scored much less than averaged. In the end Chroatian leader Samanic made two 3pointers (he's a big, but tends to make those threes more than playing under the basket) and the difference was only 2 pts, but then our guys hit some thress as well and so was the end. Our main pg Vilys was harmed to the hand that already was harmed and bandanged so that he couldn't perform well (at least it was the main reason), but our second pg Jokubaitis managed to have a good game and was a top scorer with 17 pts.
Pleasantly surprised by Lithuanian achievement . It was not an easy game , but the team spirit prevailed .
T . Balciunas at a tender age of 16 will get his third medal already - U16 Euro silver last year , U17 world bronze this year and now , at least a silver .
Quite an achievement for this young fella .

Dreamcatcher
08-20-2016, 03:57 PM
Greece, Poland and Bosnia to B division. Israel, Russia and Slovenia - in.

R1ou
08-20-2016, 04:56 PM
Greece, Poland and Bosnia to B division.



Hopefully it's a lesson to the federation.Until managers stop mixing in the NT stuff (A specific manager has 4(!) clients in this team).And we speak about 16 yo kids.Fortunately the only NBA project didn't play because of injury,the media lost a chance to overhype him.



Anyway the meaning of these tournaments for me is not the medals but the developing.If we can produce 1-2 players from each youth team and prepare them for the senior team I'll be satisifed.Again fortunately we'll have 20-25 players who could easily play at the NT until 2020.That's the case for me.

mbenga
08-20-2016, 05:02 PM
holy shit that garuba kid faked his age for sure.
he's at least 19
how does fiba allow this shit while it's that obvious?

Garuba was born and raised in Spain. There's nothing iffy about his age.

Dreamcatcher
08-20-2016, 05:07 PM
Garuba was born and raised in Spain. There's nothing iffy about his age.

How about the post by "slice me nice" saying: "In case of Usman Garuba, he was listed as '00 born player by Spanish basketball federation during the ISCAR preparation tournament on December 2015. It is unnatural, he has became 2 years younger in progress of time. Who says you can't face a Benjamin Button in a real life"?

mbenga
08-20-2016, 05:42 PM
How about the post by "slice me nice" saying: "In case of Usman Garuba, he was listed as '00 born player by Spanish basketball federation during the ISCAR preparation tournament on December 2015. It is unnatural, he has became 2 years younger in progress of time. Who says you can't face a Benjamin Button in a real life"?
If thast's true it was bviously a mistake. Garuba has always been listed as 2002 born.
I remember there was some buzz about him cause he was able to dunk at 11. https://twitter.com/Brildes/status/409199568082178050/photo/1

Dirtyh
08-20-2016, 06:41 PM
Finland finished 5th. We lost only one game in over time against Turkey. We are living very exciting times in Finnish basketball, I must say. Even if this team was better than any other Finnish NT before I don't see any Koponen/Markkanen level talent. But I see lot of guys who could become rotation players to senior NT and maybe one or two of them hits the level of Salin, Huff or Murphy.

slice me nice
08-20-2016, 06:59 PM
So, we again obtained the bronze and finished the youth tournament season with medals in every category just like the previous season. Congratulations to everyone who has a share in this great success. So many promising players, they have taken the first successful step, with the incoming new concepts of Turkish basketball development program, they will hopefully transform their skills into upper levels. Eray Akyüz again showed a lethal performance in this game, overall has had awesome tournament. Hands down, he is the most promising PG prospect that we have currently. Always a pleasure to have a prospect at guard rotation. Bravo Akyüz.


If thast's true it was bviously a mistake. Garuba has always been listed as 2002 born.
I remember there was some buzz about him cause he was able to dunk at 11. https://twitter.com/Brildes/status/409199568082178050/photo/1

He may falsify his age notwithstanding the fact that he was born in Spain. This is my personal interpretation. He doesn't seem to me a guy who is in his 14th. I may be wrong of course, however Spanish federation says the opposite below.

http://www.feb.es/Documentos/Archivo/Upload/U16MTORNEO%20ISCAR.pdf

tallwestman
08-20-2016, 07:13 PM
Those kids are so short. What happened exactly? Europe cannot produce many 7 foot plus tall kids nowadays?

R1ou
08-20-2016, 07:14 PM
So, we again obtained the bronze and finished the youth tournament season with medals in every category just like the previous season. Congratulations to everyone who has a share in this great success. So many promising players, they have taken the first successful step, with the incoming new concepts of Turkish basketball development program, they will hopefully transform their skills into upper levels. Eray Akyüz again showed a lethal performance in this game, overall has had awesome tournament. Hands down, he is the most promising PG prospect that we have currently. Always a pleasure to have a prospect at guard rotation. Bravo Akyüz.



He may falsify his age notwithstanding the fact that he was born in Spain. This is my personal interpretation. He doesn't seem to me a guy who is in his 14th. I may be wrong of course, however Spanish federation says the opposite below.

http://www.feb.es/Documentos/Archivo/Upload/U16MTORNEO%20ISCAR.pdf



Can you reply to this?Turkish youth teams have been atop for a remarkably big amount of time.U16,17,18 etc all of them winning medals.However,firstly it has not been translated too good performances by the senior team(at least until now) and secondly most of them don't see the court in their clubs and finally are lost at some Eurocup teams.(Sipahi f.e).Coaches don't trust them.Partially it has to do with the "obsession" of clubs like Efes and Fener to win the EL and it's really difficult for them to find playing time there.To your opinion which are the other reason Turkish NT has not been successful,despite all that talent coming from the youths?

Dirtyh
08-20-2016, 07:18 PM
Can you reply to this?Turkish youth teams have been atop for a remarkably big amount of time.U16,17,18 etc all of them winning medals.However,firstly it has not been translated too good performances by the senior team(at least until now) and secondly most of them don't see the court in their clubs and finally are lost at some Eurocup teams.(Sipahi f.e).Coaches don't trust them.Partially it has to do with the "obsession" of clubs like Efes and Fener to win the EL and it's really difficult for them to find playing time there.To your opinion which are the other reason Turkish NT has not been successful,despite all that talent coming from the youths?

Because when you born in Turkey you are all ready 2 or 3 year old... So it's pretty easy to win medals in youth tournaments. It's joke but there's truth in it. They are much more matured than many other youngsters in youth level.

slice me nice
08-20-2016, 07:34 PM
Can you reply to this?Turkish youth teams have been atop for a remarkably big amount of time.U16,17,18 etc all of them winning medals.However,firstly it has not been translated too good performances by the senior team(at least until now) and secondly most of them don't see the court in their clubs and finally are lost at some Eurocup teams.(Sipahi f.e).Coaches don't trust them.Partially it has to do with the "obsession" of clubs like Efes and Fener to win the EL and it's really difficult for them to find playing time there.To your opinion which are the other reason Turkish NT has not been successful,despite all that talent coming from the youths?

I have already settled some comments on this issue under this thread. You may look at it. The problem is mostly financial. Also, patience is virtue in terms of player development, in every country, even '95 born players have just started to come into prominence. Since our revolution started with '95 generation, I would rather to wait a little bit more to build a possible failure scenario.

http://www.interbasket.net/forums/showthread.php?29038-Developing-youngsters-and-playing-times&p=1035938&viewfull=1#post1035938


Because when you born in Turkey you are all ready 2 or 3 year old... So it's pretty easy to win medals in youth tournaments. It's joke but there's truth in it. They are much more matured than many other youngsters in youth level.

Interesting point of view. Our genetic has gotten change starting with 2012 then, since we hadn't never been this dominant before 2012. Some radioactive stuff, it must be. Please, do not hesitate to analyze the muscle mass of every Turkish youth player if you can, we have mostly been smashed physically in the latest youth tournaments.

LuDux
08-20-2016, 07:42 PM
is that resistance? How cute

Hepcat
08-20-2016, 08:21 PM
Because when you born in Turkey you are all ready 2 or 3 year old... So it's pretty easy to win medals in youth tournaments. It's joke but there's truth in it. They are much more matured than many other youngsters in youth level.

I disagree. Northern Europeans are far too inclined to interpret facial hair and swarthier skin as signs of maturity. They're not. Facial hair is just fucking facial hair, that's all.

Dreamcatcher
08-20-2016, 08:45 PM
Fucking shit, overgrown negro was making the difference all the game, but in the last seconds we managed to take a lead by 1 point, but then incredible 3pt shot by Spaniard...Poor kids...:(

Mr Chacho
08-20-2016, 09:17 PM
Usman Garuba is 14, because he was born in Madrid, not in Africa.

And if you are so hater and you don't want to believe the truth, go to the Real Madrid basketball page and you will find out all the information about Usman.

For you : http://www.realmadrid.com/baloncesto/cantera/infantil-b/usman-garuba

Mr Chacho
08-20-2016, 09:18 PM
Fucking shit, overgrown negro was making the difference all the game, but in the last seconds we managed to take a lead by 1 point, but then incredible 3pt shot by Spaniard...Poor kids...:(

A bit of respect

BiHBasket
08-20-2016, 09:26 PM
U16 EC final is a simple game. Ten boys chase a ball for 40 minutes and at the end, the Lithuanians always lose.

;)

Mr Chacho
08-20-2016, 09:31 PM
About the final game, I have read some unpolites, cruel and racists comments about Garuba on the internet (not here), mostly from turkish and lithuanians, really? He is a boy, and he is only 14!!! I have lost my faith in the humanity.

carlo
08-20-2016, 09:41 PM
Usman Garuba tournament's MVP.
Other All-Tournament:
Akyuz, Giedraitis, Samanic, Pecarski.

Dirtyh
08-20-2016, 10:38 PM
I disagree. Northern Europeans are far too inclined to interpret facial hair and swarthier skin as signs of maturity. They're not. Facial hair is just fucking facia hair, that's all.

Maybe you are right. But it is interesting question why they have been so dominant on youth level but sucked so bad on senior level. Maybe it is just matter of time like slice me nice said. Or maybe they don't know old their player are when they are playing in youth tournaments. Al in all, physic is just a physic. Turkey must have done good job since that any way. Their genetics are still the same than before it.

LuDux
08-20-2016, 10:38 PM
About the final game, I have read some unpolites, cruel and racists comments about Garuba on the internet (not here), mostly from turkish and lithuanians, really? He is a boy, and he is only 14!!! I have lost my faith in the humanity.


Beets gonna beet

Hepcat
08-20-2016, 10:53 PM
Maybe you are right. But it is interesting question why they have been so dominant on youth level but sucked so bad on senior level.

Well as Slice Me Nice said, good coaching at the youth level in recent years. And as RIou pointed out, Turkish League teams are more interested in winning titles than developing these young fellows for the national team.

auris1
08-20-2016, 11:10 PM
U16 EC final is a simple game. Ten boys chase a ball for 40 minutes and at the end, the Lithuanians always lose.

;)

That might be so .
For you ,I am sure , you will enjoy your relegation to division B while we weep tears of sorrow for the second silver in the row . Poor Lithuanian lads .

auris1
08-20-2016, 11:16 PM
About the final game, I have read some unpolites, cruel and racists comments about Garuba on the internet (not here), mostly from turkish and lithuanians, really? He is a boy, and he is only 14!!! I have lost my faith in the humanity.

It is really harsh on him . Poor lad . Funny thing is , he would be so much better off if he lied about his age to make him older ,as oppose to make him younger .
I really do not get that hatred for one particular person because of his race , especially when he just wants to play BB .

Dreamcatcher
08-20-2016, 11:24 PM
U16 EC final is a simple game. Ten boys chase a ball for 40 minutes and at the end, the Lithuanians always lose.

;)
http://www.fibaeurope.com/compID_YUjW-7-FJ,kK9s431Lyr41.season_2008.roundID_5961.gameID_60 20-60-A-1.html

By the way, have a good time in B division.

thegreekmeister
08-20-2016, 11:33 PM
Lithuania VS ...
http://static4.krepsinis.net/Uploads/Static/Images/680x434/3/27/1b/9e/271b9e0ef50fa3bbd06a4b1cdbfaa150.jpg?v=2.02.39&t=cr&s=680x434&m=3&f=/Uploads/UArticles/leadPhotos/8c/74/39/a5/8c7439a5ac822b5c899cab481998a31c.jpg

LuDux
08-20-2016, 11:37 PM
Lithuania VS ...
http://static4.krepsinis.net/Uploads/Static/Images/680x434/3/27/1b/9e/271b9e0ef50fa3bbd06a4b1cdbfaa150.jpg?v=2.02.39&t=cr&s=680x434&m=3&f=/Uploads/UArticles/leadPhotos/8c/74/39/a5/8c7439a5ac822b5c899cab481998a31c.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67M2YsNnXSg

Mr Chacho
08-20-2016, 11:42 PM
Lithuania VS ...
http://static4.krepsinis.net/Uploads/Static/Images/680x434/3/27/1b/9e/271b9e0ef50fa3bbd06a4b1cdbfaa150.jpg?v=2.02.39&t=cr&s=680x434&m=3&f=/Uploads/UArticles/leadPhotos/8c/74/39/a5/8c7439a5ac822b5c899cab481998a31c.jpg

Spaniards? That guys were born and raised in Spain. France has a lot of black guys and I don't see so much people complaining, Spain has a few due to immigration (Spain is the closest european country to Africa, and all the immigrants try to enter by Canarian Islands) and everybody hating. Fine. But wait a minute, we won, so I can understand that hate.

BiHBasket
08-20-2016, 11:57 PM
That might be so .
For you ,I am sure , you will enjoy your relegation to division B while we weep tears of sorrow for the second silver in the row . Poor Lithuanian lads .


http://www.fibaeurope.com/compID_YUjW-7-FJ,kK9s431Lyr41.season_2008.roundID_5961.gameID_60 20-60-A-1.html

By the way, have a good time in B division.

When somebody says kung fu I think China and when someone says basketball I think Lithuania:p There is no glory in bragging how Lithuania is better than Bosnia in basketball, of coure you are lol, basketball isn't even that much popular in the BiH(but with two NBA players and third one is coming that may change).

We had one elite prospect in the last year U16 team(and you remember him very good;)) I can live with a weak U16 teams in the next couple of years, it's still better than to have strong U16 team from year to year but without any top level prospect like some other countries.

It was a joke anyway, why so serious:confused:

Dreamcatcher
08-21-2016, 12:33 AM
When somebody says kung fu I think China and when someone says basketball I think Lithuania:p There is no glory in bragging how Lithuania is better than Bosnia in basketball, If coure you are lol, basketball isn't even that much popular in the BiH(but with two NBA players and third one is coming that may change).

We had one elite prospect in the last year U16 team(and you remember him very good;)) I can live with a weak U16 teams in the next couple of years, it's still better than to have strong U16 team from year to year but without any top level prospect like some other countries.

It was a joke anyway, why so serious:confused:

Because Lithuanian U16 team won the competition one time. Valanciunas was MVP there, not a top prospect of course (compared with great Musa), but still. That's why i didn't like your statement/joke ot whatever it was. But if you started to watch basketball from the last summer, then fine...

saritasbora
08-21-2016, 01:15 AM
Usman Garuba is 14, because he was born in Madrid, not in Africa.

And if you are so hater and you don't want to believe the truth, go to the Real Madrid basketball page and you will find out all the information about Usman.

For you : http://www.realmadrid.com/baloncesto/cantera/infantil-b/usman-garuba

Lol nice source you got there m8.
If Real Madrid(who owns the rights of the player I guess?) says so, it should be the universal truth.
Bring me the bone age tests and we'll start discussing.

Hepcat
08-21-2016, 01:19 AM
It was a joke anyway, why so serious:confused:

The way the wheels fell off our Olympic basketball team has understandably left us touchy. Some good news, even from the U16, would have been welcome.

:(

Mr Chacho
08-21-2016, 01:32 AM
Lol nice source you got there m8.
If Real Madrid(who owns the rights of the player I guess?) says so, it should be the universal truth.
Bring me the bone age tests and we'll start discussing.

Turkish think that everybody is like them, cheating in some boys ages. In Turkey might be easy to change a boys age, but in Spain is impossible. But well, how I said before, a lot of turkish were insulting Garuba, so if you don't respect a boy, how I can demand from you? Nothing (turkish always being rude on the social media with the spaniards, why?).

saritasbora
08-21-2016, 01:44 AM
Turkish think that everybody is like them, cheating in some boys ages. In Turkey might be easy to change a boys age, but in Spain is impossible. But well, how I said before, a lot of turkish were insulting Garuba, so if you don't respect a boy, how I can demand from you? Nothing (turkish always being rude on the social media with the spaniards, why?).

wow man don't you think you are taking this shit a bit serious.
Don't be so emotional
We have also done that in the past and I'm still pissed about it.
We were just fooling ourselves.
Just admit that the guy is not 14 and carry on.

Mr Chacho
08-21-2016, 01:54 AM
wow man don't you think you are taking this shit a bit serious.
Don't be so emotional
We have also done that in the past and I'm still pissed about it.
We were just fooling ourselves.
Just admit that the guy is not 14 and carry on.

In every single paper and website in Spain put that Garuba is 14 years old. And he was born in Spain, so you cant lie about your identity here because you will go to the jail (Usman's parents) so impossible. If he would has born in Africa, I could have doubts, but in Spain there is no way. Emotional no, a bunch of idiots has been insultinh a kid because he is black, big and has won a championship with Spain. No way I can pass it without being angry, people cant respect a boy who only plays basketball, Im not going to respect that people (not for you and not for IBN posters, well some yes).

Upi
08-21-2016, 06:02 AM
Some very uncalled for comments in the thread. Probably partly due the frustration realizing the fact that Garuba is going to be dominating U16 for two more years.
Can't wait to see what kind of talent he brings on the court in 2018 (be it the U16 euros or U17 World champs), hopefully he can keep the development up both skill and physics wise. A talent will bring negative comments on himself (especially if he's not on your team...) and he certainly was the reason Spain walked away with the win against Lithuania. In the end nobody's going to care about what year it says on his birth certificate (when the enters the men's teams), but only about what he can do on the basketball court. Give the kid a break and enjoy the show, it's not like he isn't going to have huge pressure to perform.

turk-jugoslav
08-21-2016, 08:45 AM
People jealous the superiority of Black people in basketball, that's it :) They are masters of athletics, so what? Even 1.95m Kyle Hines can easily dominate 2.10 non-black centers(just like Krstic) by using muscle power and incredible vertical leap. You are running, they are flying :) If you ask me, Spain deserves more. Half of Argentine national team should have played for Spain, even Latvian Porzingis learned to play competitive basketball in Spain. Give the credits to Spain and try to be better or shut up :)

Dreamcatcher
08-21-2016, 10:58 AM
Good basketball system, development for young players, but at the same time the most flopping nation at basketball, naturalization (Ibaka, Mirotic, tries to steal Doncic and shit like this), and more and more negros some of whom may be older than they are.

carlo
08-21-2016, 11:18 AM
Good news finally for Russia, Div. B champ and Alexander Shashkov tournament's MVP.
Alber (Isr), Dragan (Slo), Klevzunyk (Ukr) and Shevchuk (Rus) also in the All-Tournament.

Mr Chacho
08-21-2016, 02:29 PM
Good basketball system, development for young players, but at the same time the most flopping nation at basketball, naturalization (Ibaka, Mirotic, tries to steal Doncic and shit like this), and more and more negros some of whom may be older than they are.

Can you stop crying? I thought that lithuanians were respectfuls, but seeing some comments, i have changed that idea. Ibaka and Mirotic were raised and learned how to play in Spain. About the negros i m not going to discuss with racist like you.Thats negros has beaten your team. You can continue crying if you want now.

LDK
08-21-2016, 03:27 PM
Can you stop crying? I thought that lithuanians were respectfuls, but seeing some comments, i have changed that idea. Ibaka and Mirotic were raised and learned how to play in Spain. About the negros i m not going to discuss with racist like you.Thats negros has beaten your team. You can continue crying if you want now.

He is moron. He probably was angry by seeing brothers Lavrinovic in our team and Domantas Sabonis :D

Upi
08-21-2016, 04:49 PM
Ibaka and Mirotic were raised and learned how to play in Spain.

Except that Ibaka was almost 18 when moving to Spain and had already a child himself (to raise, I suppose) in Congo, so it's a bit so-so with him. And it's not like Mirotic wasn't playing basketball in Montenegro when he signed with the RM juniors at the age of 14.
In any case I wouldn't judge Lithuanians by one idiot's comments on an internet forum.

Mr Chacho
08-21-2016, 05:19 PM
Except that Ibaka was almost 18 when moving to Spain and had already a child himself (to raise, I suppose) in Congo, so it's a bit so-so with him. And it's not like Mirotic wasn't playing basketball in Montenegro when he signed with the RM juniors at the age of 14.
In any case I wouldn't judge Lithuanians by one idiot's comments on an internet forum.

My post is not for all lithuanians, there are some that have been insulting Garuba on the internet. Idiots and morons are all over the world inincluding Spain.

Hepcat
08-21-2016, 07:25 PM
Except that Ibaka was almost 18 when moving to Spain and had already a child himself (to raise, I suppose) in Congo, so it's a bit so-so with him.

The Serge Ibaka case is particularly troubling. I understand that there's a FIBA prohibition against players switching to any other national team once they have played on a national team including at the Youth level. The prohibition exists precisely to prevent bigger, richer countries from poaching players from poorer countries. Yet Ibaka was "discovered" by Spanish scout Gallego while Ibaka was playing for the Republic of the Congo team at the 2006 African U18 championship! So how could Ibaka end up playing on the Spanish national team?

Nikola Mirotic was of course poached from Montenegro but Real Madrid signed him and brought him to Spain at the age of fourteen so that made it alright in FIBA's eyes....

:confused:

damnimgood
08-21-2016, 08:05 PM
İ like Spanish basketball organization and all of those players (doesnt matter skin colour) their great organizations products. They fully deserve respect. but that Garuba kid (i really liked his game-surely Nba material) really cant be 2002 born. İf 2000 or 01 born no problem but if hes not u16 ? And İbaka listed 26 but he's surely over 30. :cool:

Mr Chacho
08-21-2016, 08:20 PM
İ like Spanish basketball organization and all of those players (doesnt matter skin colour) their great organizations products. They fully deserve respect. but that Garuba kid (i really liked his game-surely Nba material) really cant be 2002 born. İf 2000 or 01 born no problem but if hes not u16 ? And İbaka listed 26 but he's surely over 30. :cool:

I understand your point and I respect it. Could be.

auris1
08-22-2016, 12:26 AM
It was a joke anyway, why so serious:confused:
Look, if you like telling not so funny jokes ,that is fine . But you should also be aware that people you address your jokes to might as well " joke " back .
And when they do , look at you ,all of the sudden you are so serious and sort of gobsmacked . How dare they ? We do .

auris1
08-22-2016, 12:39 AM
The Serge Ibaka case is particularly troubling. I understand that there's a FIBA prohibition against players switching to any other national team once they have played on a national team including at the Youth level. The prohibition exists precisely to prevent bigger, richer countries from poaching players from poorer countries. Yet Ibaka was "discovered" by Spanish scout Gallego while Ibaka was playing for the Republic of the Congo team at the 2006 U18 championship! So how could Ibaka end up playing on the Spanish national team?


That is how it works in real life . You have rules only for them rules to get bend by "richer nations ".

BiHBasket
08-22-2016, 02:53 PM
Top prospects by Draft Express:
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/FIBA-U16-European-Championship-Scouting-Reports-5648

But this sentence in a part about Biberovic: "Bosnia barely escaped relegation with a win over Estonia":mad::mad::mad::mad:

turk-jugoslav
08-23-2016, 10:32 AM
As for Garuba, there are always overgrown kids who dominates the game thanks to big and mature body at youth level. Kanter, Musli, Karnowski, Koufos are very good examples. They are still good player but not superstar as they promised in the past. This is Dejavu, every year I see the same speculations about the ages of young fellas due to physichal dominance but nothing changes. People are not tired of speaking a lot about the same bullshits.

CoachZ
08-23-2016, 10:54 AM
Can you reply to this?Turkish youth teams have been atop for a remarkably big amount of time.U16,17,18 etc all of them winning medals.However,firstly it has not been translated too good performances by the senior team(at least until now) and secondly most of them don't see the court in their clubs and finally are lost at some Eurocup teams.(Sipahi f.e).Coaches don't trust them.Partially it has to do with the "obsession" of clubs like Efes and Fener to win the EL and it's really difficult for them to find playing time there.To your opinion which are the other reason Turkish NT has not been successful,despite all that talent coming from the youths?

It's a focus on team results and medals. Turkish teams consistently employ different types of zone defenses in youth competitions, which is disaster for development of youngsters. They are focusing and gameplanning opponents like it's a Euroleague game. That is not a problem if you want youth level medals but this is a surefire disaster for long term development of those kids, since they get turned into role players at a VERY VERY young age, when they should be completing their skillsets. Anyone who makes a 15-year sold a Stretch 4 because he can shoot and is tall, is a fucking disaster of a coach (not saying that Turks did this this tournament, just giving an example).

This is also the reason why the actual transfer of these talents to the first teams is non-existent. Combine it that they don't really play in the clubs. It's game over...

Levenspiel
08-23-2016, 12:34 PM
That's a good point, CoachZ, but I'm wondering how the alternative can be. You just tell the kids to go ahead and just display their skills?

There was an internal discussion about this some years ago: should our priority in youth competitions be the medals or skill development? Some people argued that skills can be developed over time, but the winning mentality can only be obtained by getting medals. I believe we had the luxury of having both in some generations; skill and mentality.

Moreover, I think it's early to jump to the conclusion that Turkish prospects are not being converted to senior level. There is a significant improvement in medals after 2010, and those guys are just hitting 22-24 years of age. Yes, there are no established names among them yet except for Kanter and Osman, but I think we should re-visit this claim in 2-3 years when Korkmaz, Guven, Arar, Gecim, Yurtseven, Ugurlu, Arslan, Taskiran, Ulubay, Kosut, Bitim get above 20-22 years old at least. There is a ton of talent here, and they're just coming. No need for eulogy yet.

CoachZ
08-23-2016, 01:20 PM
That's a good point, CoachZ, but I'm wondering how the alternative can be. You just tell the kids to go ahead and just display their skills?

There was an internal discussion about this some years ago: should our priority in youth competitions be the medals or skill development? Some people argued that skills can be developed over time, but the winning mentality can only be obtained by getting medals. I believe we had the luxury of having both in some generations; skill and mentality.

Moreover, I think it's early to jump to the conclusion that Turkish prospects are not being converted to senior level. There is a significant improvement in medals after 2010, and those guys are just hitting 22-24 years of age. Yes, there are no established names among them yet except for Kanter and Osman, but I think we should re-visit this claim in 2-3 years when Korkmaz, Guven, Arar, Gecim, Yurtseven, Ugurlu, Arslan, Taskiran, Ulubay, Kosut, Bitim get above 20-22 years old at least. There is a ton of talent here, and they're just coming. No need for eulogy yet.

It was not a eulogy, just a current assessment of the situation. I have similar things AGAINST Serbian NT setup as well. In general here are some things I believe regarding developing kids:

- Defensive gameplanning and zone defenses HAVE TO GO. All of Europe NEEDS to put emphasis on developing individual skills on defense. This is one huge gap that hasn't been narrowed AT ALL in the last 25 years since the introduction of Dream Team to international basketball. As a rule we are producing inferior defenders, hand grabbers and zoners since a very, very early age. It is much easier to play defense like that, but if you are a phenomenal individual defender then you can be flexible and play wherever you want. So focus on developing individual defensive skills for all the young ones. If they don't learn it by the time they are 19, they never will.

- Focus on physical development! We are not approaching this in the correct way. So many of our bigs become stiffs, so many of our skill players become weaklings etc. etc. We need to do physical assessment and profiling of youth talents since entering them at pre teen age into basketball training. This doesn't mean exclude physically inferior talents BUT making a plan and progress route in terms of physical attributes for each individual player. The key is for all of them to reach their peak physical potential.

- Stop with long camps and preparations of youth NT where they will be working in a system and gameplan to win medals and competitions. Or find a way to limit this. For example, none of the teams can meet for the NT competitions earlier than 2 weeks before big competitions. Let the kids develop in the clubs and work on their individual talents. Few weeks before the big competition is enough to let the kids know the system they will be playing in.

- Stop with definitions of roles on the youth NT level. I can understand it at the U20 level a bit, or maybe U19. Everybody younger than that, as long as you are going to pidgeon-hole kids into roles so you can win a medal, you are not doing your job as a youth coach. Kids need to be developing all of their skills and eliminating deficiencies in their game. Every player should be mapped and weaknesses and strengths identified and then a development plan for skills needs to be implemented by the club and NT youth setup. Giving up on a 17 year old kid to learn how to shoot, defend, rebound, hit FTs is a CRIME!.

- Introduce a licensing system for youth players that will make incentives to play them. Meaning, teams cannot register these young guys on their roster and register them for national competition and then just stash them and don't play them. For example a kid can be registered for the senior competition by Efes, unless he plays that year or dresses for a certain number of games, next year he will not be able to be registered by that club. This will make teams loan players out to weaker leagues to play and develop and many players will leave clubs that don't. Only factor can be injuries, that teams get an exemption.

Those are some key points that need to be addressed in order to develop kids for modern basketball. The key of youth setup is to produce senior level talents that will compete for their NT and clubs. Medals at age 16 are worth as much as a hotdog...

EDIT: This doesn't mean not try to win medals and give up on developing a winning mentality, just that this has to be SECONDARY goal after the long term good of kids.

Levenspiel
08-23-2016, 03:33 PM
Thank you, CoachZ. Valuable insight.

The licensing system, combined with your earlier suggestion about motivating youngsters to go abroad to play in lower level senior leagues, sound like very good ideas to me (even if it did not really work previously in the cases of Emre Bayav, Izzet Turkyilmaz, Dusan Gavrilovic, etc.)

serbianhoops
08-23-2016, 03:46 PM
Without taking in account its NBA level centers Zizic and Zubac, Croatia will have an ultra-talented all-around frontcourt in the upcoming years with Saric, Bender and Samanic who are all athletic and versatile enough to play every frontcourt position (C/PF/SF).

Audiris
02-16-2018, 08:10 AM
Fucking shit, overgrown negro was making the difference all the game, but in the last seconds we managed to take a lead by 1 point, but then incredible 3pt shot by Spaniard...Poor kids...:(

Please explain to me again how this comment is not racist.

Srle
02-18-2018, 06:03 PM
Without taking in account its NBA level centers Zizic and Zubac, Croatia will have an ultra-talented all-around frontcourt in the upcoming years with Saric, Bender and Samanic who are all athletic and versatile enough to play every frontcourt position (C/PF/SF).

Serbia can counter them with Jokic, Milutinov ,Ristic ,Petrusev, Koprivica,Pokusevski ,Popovic ,Musikic, Markovic etc. I am not high on Bender at all, look to me like the bust, shooting is so inconsistent, not a good rebounder etc. Petrusev have shoved more than Samanic in Los Angeles in limited playing time. Great basketball iq , in the mold of Jokic, good athlete too.