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Joško Poljak Fan
09-15-2015, 03:48 PM
There is already a lot of discussion about it in various threads over the forum, however this should be an interesting thread to read in 2017.
Since some of the older stars are slowely declining and it'll be quite a gap for some teams in my opinion, which young players do you believe will make an impact in 2017 for your country?

christodoulou76
09-15-2015, 03:50 PM
For GRE, we might see the first NT selections for Agravanis, Papapetrou, Charalampopoulos and/or Papagiannis. Probably we will only see 1-2 of these players make the final roster but I think these are the primary candidates. Maybe Bochoridis if he develops rapidly. I am not including Antetokounmpo who is already established on the NT.

miloje
09-15-2015, 03:53 PM
bender, zubac, žižić from croatia :P

christodoulou76
09-15-2015, 03:53 PM
bender, zubac, žižić from croatia :P

these guys are great players. wow. maybe Slavica also?

ThePeraCar
09-15-2015, 03:59 PM
C:Milutinov,Jokic
PF:Tejic
SF:Dangubic
SG:Guduric
PG:Micic,Jaramaz
idk all great guys and is expected to step up in next 2 years

Mika Hakinen
09-15-2015, 04:12 PM
C:Milutinov,Jokic
PF:Tejic
SF:Dangubic
SG:Guduric
PG:Micic,Jaramaz
idk all great guys and is expected to step up in next 2 years

+Rebic, Davidovac and Zagorac, all U20 serbs looks great

ThePeraCar
09-15-2015, 04:13 PM
+Rebic, Davidovac and Zagorac, all U20 serbs looks great

i only posted guys that i think will be good players :P

miloje
09-15-2015, 04:18 PM
these guys are great players. wow. maybe Slavica also?

dont know. i'm not really an expert. he has a lot of things to improve, very raw player

from croatia i can also include arapović and mazalin hopefully. in two years hezonja will be much better also

INTEGRAL
09-15-2015, 04:31 PM
Number 1 is definitely Jokic. He is superb player for me. He is a big mismatch against anyone.

I am expecting Furkan Korkmaz will do great numbers in 2017.

ThePeraCar
09-15-2015, 04:34 PM
and also i think Osman will step up much more in 2 years will have even more expirience,hes gonna be awsome

MZT Skopje
09-15-2015, 06:22 PM
Aleksandar Magdevski and Kristijan Nikolov both 19 years old, players to watch out for 2017 allready.

matrixa
09-15-2015, 06:34 PM
Hopefully young Sabonis can be a great asset to Lithuanian team 2 years later.

Upi
09-15-2015, 07:36 PM
I hope a few guards surprise for Finland, but likely players to have impact are Alex Murphy and Lauri Markkanen.

sashikas
09-15-2015, 07:47 PM
Hopefully young Sabonis can be a great asset to Lithuanian team 2 years later.

Also I expect new faces in the SG-SF positions. Like Marius Grigonis, Rokas Giedraitis.

Unfortunately no new winds in the PG spot.

Straight forward
09-15-2015, 08:09 PM
Also I expect new faces in the SG-SF positions. Like Marius Grigonis, Rokas Giedraitis.
Unfortunately no new winds in the PG spot.

The same Lekavičius. He doesn't exactly make impact this summer, so his time might come exactly in 2017.

Modis
09-15-2015, 11:06 PM
I really like our future frontcourt. Motiejunas Valanciunas. And with the young ones A.Gudaitis and D.Sabonis. D.Sabonis is extremely good for his age. only 19. He will be 21 by the EC 2017 and I would expect him being in NBA by that time getting bigger stronger and faster.

CoachZ
09-15-2015, 11:09 PM
What is considered a young player? Valanciunas this year is in my opinion a borderline "young" player at 23. Monti is already 25, he should've been impact. Two of them in 2017 would not be considered young players by any standards, those are already mid career years. Same would go for Bogdanovic, Kalinic, Nedovic in Serbia and many others.

Modis
09-15-2015, 11:10 PM
The same Lekavičius. He doesn't exactly make impact this summer, so his time might come exactly in 2017.

What will be Lekavicius real problem is his height for the future. At the moment he has no skills or accurate shooting to compensate for his height.. And height does matter.

Modis
09-15-2015, 11:15 PM
What is considered a young player? Valanciunas this year is in my opinion a borderline "young" player at 23. Monti is already 25, he should've been impact. Two of them in 2017 would not be considered young players by any standards, those are already mid career years. Same would go for Bogdanovic, Kalinic, Nedovic in Serbia and many others.

Yeh I know. I just said overall about how would our frontcourt look...And even though Motiejunas or Valanciunas will not be considered young by EC 2017 they are still not at that age that they cant improve anymore.

CoachZ
09-15-2015, 11:17 PM
Yeh I know. I just said overall about how would our frontcourt look...And even though Motiejunas or Valanciunas will not be considered young by EC 2017 they are still not at that age that they cant improve anymore.

Someone can improve at 32 :D The idea is to highlight kids who are now let's say up to 20-21 max, that might break out then. Like I said guys who are 22-23 now already should not be considered young at this time in two years.

ThePeraCar
09-15-2015, 11:22 PM
Someone can improve at 32 :D The idea is to highlight kids who are now let's say up to 20-21 max, that might break out then. Like I said guys who are 22-23 now already should not be considered young at this time in two years.

i agree just look at Reyes in his years he started improving his 3pt shooting xD

INTEGRAL
09-15-2015, 11:23 PM
i agree just look at Reyes in his years he started improving his 3pt shooting xD

+ Ömer Onan

Cringe
09-15-2015, 11:36 PM
Porzingis might be really good at 2017

ncjazz
09-16-2015, 12:24 AM
I hope a few guards surprise for Finland, but likely players to have impact are Alex Murphy and Lauri Markkanen.

Keeping my fingers crossed that Markkanen will go to NC for college ball.

ncjazz
09-16-2015, 12:37 AM
Porzingis might be really good at 2017

I have read that Latvia has some really good young players. Any others besides Porzingis? We actually had a Latvian playing basketball at the college I worked at. He was not that great though.

MZT Skopje
09-16-2015, 01:38 AM
Along side 19 years old Andrej Magdevski (Owned by Unicaja MVP U20 B EC, 19 PPG), 19 years old Kristijan Nikolov (Owned by Galatasaray and playd a few EL games at age 18).

Ljubomir Mladenovski 20 years old center might have a impact 2017. 16.0 PPG and 10.5 RPG at the U20 EC not long ago, 29 min per game. Dubbel dubbel every game. Need to work on the FT, just 52% at the U20 EC. If he become 80-85% FT shooter can become very dengerus player. 64% FG.

He is expected to explode in ABA liga this or the next year. Playd test senior games against Israel and Ukraina this summer did OK, 7 and 8 points. Did not gett the chance to show himself at this EC keept on the bench.

Andrej Maslinko 2006 CM, 18 years old. Will get action in Italian Serie B. Paffoni: http://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Italy/Paffoni_Omegna/5190?Page=1

Talented player. Owned by Milano. MZT tryd to bring him home this summer home but Italians say no.

Oliver Dvojakovski another young tall player, 18 years old too. Sevillia 2. http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Oliver_Dvojakovski/Baloncesto_Sevilla_2nd_team/257464

So ye, look prity promising on G and C possition.

Andrej, Kristijan and Ljubomir should make impact 2017. Maybe Maslinko too.

Efesdxb
09-16-2015, 04:28 AM
95-97 generation of Turkey
We will see them having decent minutes on court and impact on Team.
Cedi Osman, Emircan Kosut, Egemen Guven, Okben Ulubay, Furkan Korkmaz, Kartal Ozmizrak, Kenan Sipahi (on loan to Karsiyaka - great chance for him to develop his game), Tolga Gecim.
They have all the potential to be in the roster and they have to work and play a lot next 2 years. Players, who are marked with bold, will surely have 15 min average this year. Cedi probably 25+.

Mr Chacho
09-16-2015, 09:26 AM
Pau Gasol :rolleyes:

The most promising youngs at Spain are Vives, Abrines, Díez and Willy Hernangómez (his brother Juancho too). We will need them, but if not, we can rely in a 37 years old player, Gasol deserves that credit.

CoachZ
09-16-2015, 09:42 AM
Pau Gasol :rolleyes:

The most promising youngs at Spain are Vives, Abrines, Díez and Willy Hernangómez (his brother Juancho too). We will need them, but if not, we can rely in a 37 years old player, Gasol deserves that credit.

I love Abrines, I think he can help a lot in the future as you start to filter out Ruddy etc.

Hernangomez to me is a big mystery. He is extremely strong for his age and very mature post player already. On the other hand, despite having all that, he is a pretty crappy defender. He moves well, and has decent hands but tends to be a non-passer in the post up situations. If he is to be successful post up player where he will be crowded and doubled with playside and backside help, he needs to be able to pass out and distribute out of that, to complement his game. Otherwise teams won't respect him as a passing threat and just crowd him with 2 guys whenever he gets close to the paint.

Italian Pride
09-16-2015, 09:47 AM
Della Valle,Abass,Fontecchio and Mussini!

Victorious
09-16-2015, 11:03 AM
Some people are fooled if they think that young players under 24 can make a serious impact. When it matters, they are gone. Just two or three young players can really shine in tournaments like these.

slice me nice
09-16-2015, 11:15 AM
Some people are fooled if they think that young players under 24 can make a serious impact. When it matters, they are gone. Just two or three young players can really shine in tournaments like these.

At least 10 U-24 players can make impact in these tournaments. U-24 measurement is so far-reaching, if we take down the age range down to age 21, I can agree with you.

radallo
09-16-2015, 11:41 AM
Della Valle,Abass,Fontecchio and Mussini!

I was about to write Basile & Marconato...

Italian Pride
09-16-2015, 11:49 AM
I was about to write Basile & Marconato...

i'm kidding :)

Jon_Koncak
09-16-2015, 04:02 PM
It takes some amazing generational talent to have an impact on their first tournament.Most truly elite players started performing after their second one.

Della Valle,Abass,Fontecchio and Mussini!

Della Valle is the skiniest dude i've seen playing proffesinal bball since Gagaloudis.He's goin nowhere with this body.

Luíz for 3
09-16-2015, 04:05 PM
Aleksandar Vezenkov, if Bulgaria manages to qualify.

apathy
09-16-2015, 04:30 PM
Stefan Peno, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Els6-3GjHKk) could/will most likely be Teo's heir to the throne, great vision, high IQ, amazing movement off the ball, great athlete, impressive rebounding skills for his position, everything is there.

Vanja Marinkovic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRAQJk_18k) impressive shooting technique, accuracy, can shoot over hand and pressurized with ease even now and will improve even more. Good athleticism and will get even better. High basketball IQ, high hopes for pure blood shooting G with adequate physicality, might end up being very improved version of Rakocevic.

Others are more or less known to whole Europe, such as Jokic, Zagorac, Rebic, Tejic. Micic is 21 now, will be 23 at EC17 and besides that needs to improve his mental composition before making an impact, or even before getting called up to NT again. Dangubic also isn't considered young prospect anymore and needs to work on his shooting under pressure and w/contact since he's not a pure shooter anyway.

Victorious
09-16-2015, 04:34 PM
At least 10 U-24 players can make impact in these tournaments. U-24 measurement is so far-reaching, if we take down the age range down to age 21, I can agree with you.

It depends on what you consider players who make a difference. Difference makers for me are those who can carry a team to win titles, medals, or are on medal candidate teams if you may. There's really very few players who are 23 and under on that level. People who think that they can make a great team with some players under 23 are delusional. It just doesn't work that way. Less talented, but mature players from teams like the Netherlands, Belgium, Finland are more useful than 'most' players we consider talents in Europe.

slice me nice
09-16-2015, 05:09 PM
It depends on what you consider players who make a difference. Difference makers for me are those who can carry a team to win titles, medals, or are on medal candidate teams if you may. There's really very few players who are 23 and under on that level. People who think that they can make a great team with some players under 23 are delusional. It just doesn't work that way. Less talented, but mature players from teams like the Netherlands, Belgium, Finland are more useful than 'most' players we consider talents in Europe.

You didn't use ''difference maker'' title for these player in your first post :) I agree with you if you meant difference makers. Though how many teams have this kind of player in their roster, almost half of them. I can't see star players in every roster. Some have few that they are lucky, some have one that they depend on that player too much and some have no player who can change the destiny that they look for a miracle. So it is not about age but the quality of player and his winner character.

Young players can make serious impacts but are they be able to run the things on their own, it is doubtful. If they manage to be that effective then they appear as phenomena players.

Mika Hakinen
09-16-2015, 05:12 PM
Add Czech youngsters:
Pechachek, Peterka and Kouril

and of course Bosnians:
Atic, Buza, and may be Musa

omgsomuchpotential
09-16-2015, 05:12 PM
Pau Gasol :rolleyes:

The most promising youngs at Spain are Vives, Abrines, Díez and Willy Hernangómez (his brother Juancho too). We will need them, but if not, we can rely in a 37 years old player, Gasol deserves that credit.

Adria Gasol will be the MVP of EuroBasket 2017.

Victorious
09-16-2015, 07:56 PM
You didn't use ''difference maker'' title for these player in your first post :) I agree with you if you meant difference makers. Though how many teams have this kind of player in their roster, almost half of them. I can't see star players in every roster. Some have few that they are lucky, some have one that they depend on that player too much and some have no player who can change the destiny that they look for a miracle. So it is not about age but the quality of player and his winner character.

Young players can make serious impacts but are they be able to run the things on their own, it is doubtful. If they manage to be that effective then they appear as phenomena players.

Usually young players bring the team down to a lower level. Some very good young players can manage and be useful to the team. But the number of players that can carry a team, a medal candidate, these are less than a handful. At the category 23 and under I'm thinking Rudy Govert for France (23), Jonas Valanciunas (23) for Lithuania, Giannis Antetokoumpo (20) for Greece. Aside from them Gentile (23) comes close, but not quite.

There's plenty of other very talented young players. Players like Abrinez for example. But they are in no position to carry Spain to a medal. Spain would fall short big time.

CoachZ
09-16-2015, 08:02 PM
You don't have to be the best player on the floor to make an impact. For example Bogdanovic as a young player last year was an impact and even difference maker last year for Serbia at WC. He wasn't the best player. Kalinic's defense and transition made a huge impact etc.

BiHBasket
09-22-2015, 04:05 PM
Well, although he is born in 1994, Jusuf Nurkic would have been a tough challange for most of the Eurobasket 2015 centers, if he actually played. But right now it seems that he will play for Bosnian national team as much as Ilgauskas played for Lithuania :)

As for pottentialy new young players for Eurobasket 2017, I expect from Edin Atic (1997) to be a starting five player at that time. He would have big minutes already on the Eurobasket 2015 if he wasn't injured. Of course it all depends on his progress, he moved to AEK in Greece couple of weeks ago, we will see.

My second pick is Kenan Karahodzic (1996), but once again it all depends on his progress. He is a Unicaja Malaga players, there were some rumors that he will be loaned to Manresa, and he really needs some playing time on good level.

As for others Bosnian players, there are Adin Vrabac(1994), Nedim Buza(1995), Emir Sulejmanovic(1995), Imran Polutak(1996), Ammar Gegic(1998), Njegos Sikiras(1999), Dzanan Musa(1999)...but most of them are not that good anyway or just too young, but yeah, some of them will make a final roster for Eurobasket 2017.

Straight forward
09-22-2015, 09:20 PM
Rudy Govert for France (23).

Rudy Gobert can't carry France, not even close :) I mean, can France go to him offensively? Not even close. Can he hit a clutch FT? Not even close. He will be huge at D, but I think he'll never be good enough offensively to reach that category.

turk-jugoslav
09-23-2015, 10:27 AM
Rudy Gobert can't carry France, not even close :) I mean, can France go to him offensively? Not even close. Can he hit a clutch FT? Not even close. He will be huge at D, but I think he'll never be good enough offensively to reach that category.

I mostly agree. Rudy Gobert is very exaggarated, both offensively and defensively. He has not any weapon at offence, looked like 16-year-old ameteur against Pau Gasol and was blocked by Pau three times '' officially''( I counted 4 times). Even Semih Erden hadn't looked bad until our guards locked down by Frenchies. He is Ömer Aşık-type player, no more no less. He can never bring his team up.

Ante, Jonas, Hezonja, De Colo and Vucevic can do it. I would also add Enes Kanter but seems like he will never play for Turkish NT so I cannot count him. Anyway, They are ''highest quality'' players in this arena but never a '' true'' star. Jonas is not new '' Sabonis'', Hezonja not a new '' Stojakovic'', Vucevic not a new Pau Gasol... Being superstar and being '' high quality'' is different things. Players who makes huge difference are superstar like Nowitzki, Parker and Pau or Sabonis, Petrovic, Gallis, Stojakovic... I don't see any superstar potential from present situation.

Ashtrusis_dantis
09-23-2015, 03:57 PM
First we should agree till what age player is "young". In Lithuania we even have unofficial term for some players - "forever promising". :)