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BiHBasket
02-03-2015, 08:34 PM
It will be held in Greece, 23 July - 2 August 2015.

Group A

- France

- Spain

- Ukraine

- Czech Republic



Group B

- Serbia

- Latvia

- Montenegro

- Germany


Group C

- Turkey

- Italy

- Russia

- Finland


Group D

- Greece

- Lithuania

- Bosnia and Herzegovina

- Croatia



I'm not sure how strong is this generation of our opponents, but seems as horrible draw for us.

In normal circumstances, I would expect that we will easily lose all of three games, but our 1997/1998 generation isn't naive at all:

PG - Gegić(1998) is our most talented young playmaker from all(not like we have many good ones, seems like we just can't produce a decent PG). He desperately needs to work on his shooting. In other game elements he is great. I'm not sure will he be a starting playmaker on this championship, there is one born 1997 who is maybe better player at this moment, but less talented.

SG - Atić(1997) had 16 ppg on last year U18 European championship. I rate him as our third overal greatest young player, only Nurkić(1994) and Musa(1999) are better. Or maybe Sikiraš(1999) is also better, hard to decide when they all are great.

SF - Đedović(1997) is a brother of Nihad Đedović. He is a Barcelona player, that says something about his talent.

PF - Antunović(1998) and Memić(1997) aren't some huge talents, but they will fit perfectly on this championship with previously listed players.

C - I don't know that we have any really good center in this generation, but in the worst case we will have one or two 2.10 boys, whatever their basketball skills are.


So I think we could put a good fight.

Straight forward
02-03-2015, 09:32 PM
D group is toughest I'm guessing. As for Lithuania it's Varnas and Echodas to look after in the first place.

BiHBasket
02-04-2015, 02:01 AM
Croatian generation 1997 have their best prospects since Šarić and Hezonja.

This group is definitely worth to follow.

Just look at the number of players who are in the top 25 on Eurohopes list of most talented players of generation 1997:

Greece - Papagiannis 4#, Charalampopoulos 8#

Lithuania - Varnas 11#

Bosnia and Herzegovina - Đedović 16#, Atić 22#

Croatia - Bender 1#, Mazalin 5#, Žižić 14#

BiHBasket
02-05-2015, 12:34 AM
I was thinking and thinking...and I think I found who is a potential solution for a C position from players born in 1997.

It's Manjgafić. He is actually PF, but as 2.07 tall, we can use him as C.

I don't see him as future star, but he is muscular, have body of adult, he can be good on this level where many players still look like kids.

It's this guy dunking on 00: 40


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE0v1F5RH2k

And on 2:00 here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYkS7ph06YE


If they all stay healthy this could be a very very good U18 team, but still they can lose all of three games in such a group.

Srle
03-13-2015, 12:22 AM
PG:Stefan Peno ,Aleksandar Aranitovic,Bojan Nesic
SG:Vanja Marinkovic,Vojislav Stojanovic, Aleksa Radanov
SF:Nikola Rakicevic,Nikola Maric
PF:Borisa Simanic,Milos Glisic
C:Nick Rakocevic,Nikola Popovic ,Stefan Djordjevic,Haris Cucovic

serbianhoops
04-03-2015, 05:50 PM
Bosnia U18 and Montenegro U18 played two friendlies against each other in Sarajevo. Both teams played without several main players (Montenegro almost without an entire squad). One noteworthy detail is the presence of Nikola Mirotic's cousin, 6'6" Balsa on the Montenegrin roster.

In Game 1, hosts won 73:70
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In Game 2, hosts won again 68:56
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serbianhoops
04-04-2015, 04:08 PM
Meho Haracic (1998) is now a 7-foot, 220 pound pretty long and athletic above-the-rim NBA prospect. Still fairly thin for his frame, he will need to add strength and bulk to fulfill his frame potential, but he may have the highest upside of any Bosnia native centers since Jusuf Nurkic. Qatar can thank the Basketball Federation of Bosnia for inviting their scout Nedim Dzemic at the Bosnia U16 try out practices 2 years ago, to say the least. Now, Haracic is on his way to become the first Qatari player ever to play in the NBA. :rolleyes:

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Next to Jean-Jacques Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba wa Mutombo also known as Dikembe Mutombo.

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Next to Mario Kasun (at first sight, his wingspan is far better than Kasun's 6'11.5" one).

serbianhoops
04-10-2015, 05:50 PM
2015 NBBL All-Star Game MVP 6'4" Haris Hujic (1997) had decided to play for Bosnia at the international level instead of Germany even if he hasn't made his decision public yet.

The Phoenix Hagen prospect is a shooting-first PG who finds most of his scoring volume on long range jumers (he's a 40 percent three point shooter) but also a turnover prone and an average finisher at the rim PG (poor athleticism) who doesn't get to the free throw line too often.

serbianhoops
04-11-2015, 02:48 PM
Igokea's 6'5" talented sleeper PG Nemanja Nikolic (late 1998), who has been named 2014 best young basketball player of the Republic of Srpska, is under heavy pressure from his coach Zarko Milakovic to opt to represent the country of his birth (Bosnia) instead of Serbia. Things get really interesting when you know that Nemanja Nikolic took part to last year's Serbia U16 tryout camp and that Zarko Milakovic is a citizen of Serbia who currently serves as the secretary of the association of basketball coaches of the Republic of Srpska and was assistant-coach of Bosnia U18 last summer.

serbianhoops
04-11-2015, 06:12 PM
Croatia U18 without a bunch of their best players in the 97/98 generation (Bender, Mazalin, Zizic, Zubac, Slavica, Skokna, Vrucinic, Kalajdzic) will take part in China alongside to hosts, Lithuania and USA to the 2015 ATLAS Four Nation Tournament which is in fact a series of 3 succesive tournaments in 3 different cities (from 16. to 20. in Ningdu City, from 20. to 24. in Nanchang City and from 24. to 28. in Shenzhen City).

Kresimir Nikic (C 6'11" 1999 Cibona) expected adult height 7'2"
Kresimir Ljubicic (C 6'10" 1998 Rudes)
Karlo Miksic (SG 6'5" 1997 Cedevita)
Benedikt Turudic (C 6'9" 1997 Cedevita)
Domagok Vrkic (PF 6'8" 1997 Zadar)
Toni Jelenkovic (PG 5'11" 1997 Zadar)
Petar Dubelj (PG 6'5" 1997 Dubrovnik)
Kresimir Radovcic (SG 6'5" 1997 Sibenik)
Franko Kalpic (SG 6'7" 1997 Kvarner Rijeka)
Lovro Bulesic (SG 6'8" 1998 Stoja Pula)
Ivan Perkovic (SF 6'6" 1997 Jolly Sibenik)
Vuk Lazic (PG 6'1" 1998 Zagreb)

carlo
04-20-2015, 06:36 PM
Lithuania U18 won the first tourney in China, beating a so-called USA team (probably a NCAA selection) 81-72 and Croatia U18 87-73, while losing to China 79-78.

Lithuania and USA finished 2-1, Croatia and China 1-2.

Laurynas Birutis was LTU high scorer in the game won vs USA with 15 pts, followed by Gytis Masiulis with 13 and Arunas Mikalauskas with 10.
In the loss vs host team Martynas Varnas scored 18 pts, Birutis 16 (on 6/9 FG, 12 reb and 3 blocks) and Mantas Pigaga 11.
Pigaga scored 17 pts vs Croatia, while Masiulis and Birutis had 16 and 15 pts.

Lithuanian team roster here (http://www.musukrepsinis.lt/naujienos/lietuvos-astuoniolikmeciu-kinijoje-laukia-serija-tarptautiniu-rungtyniu/).

Straight forward
04-25-2015, 06:35 PM
Lithuania - Croatia 72:71. 7 thousand spectators. China loves basketball :)

Lithuania: Varnas 17, Birutis 13.
Croatia: Virkič 25, Radovčič 21.

Dreamcatcher
04-26-2015, 01:02 AM
Lithuania - Croatia 72:71. 7 thousand spectators. China loves basketball :)

Lithuania: Varnas 17, Birutis 13.
Croatia: Virkič 25, Radovčič 21.

WOW. Just WOW. I also wonder how tall is Birutis now. Surely more than 2.08.

carlo
05-01-2015, 05:20 PM
Lithuania won all three China tournaments, the final record being 6-3. Losses came from China, and twice from an (unspecified) US selection.

Special mention from Lithuanian coach went to Martynas Varnas, Laurynas Birutis, Gytis Masiulis, Arnoldas Kulboka, as well as to PG Jokubas Svambaris and Laurynas Beliauskas.

Interestingly, another Lithuanian 2.11 PF Rokas Ulvydas from Mt Zion, Baltimore (USA) and committed to La Salle, played for US-team.

Source: http://www.musukrepsinis.lt/naujienos/6287/

Straight forward
05-01-2015, 09:48 PM
Interestingly, another Lithuanian 2.11 PF Rokas Ulvydas from Mt Zion, Baltimore (USA) and committed to La Salle, played for US-team.

Source: http://www.musukrepsinis.lt/naujienos/6287/

Another big, at least that's the relief :)

pohani komarac
05-01-2015, 10:24 PM
Croatian coach Darko Kunce is only I remeber being critized by draft sites that wrote from this junionr tournaments . Will be intresting to see can he screw this generation like he did with good 89/90. team that he had

From this rooster I see only Vrkic making cut, but since our federation has strange plans anything can happen

Vrucinic, Skokna, Kalajzic
Slavica, Badzim,
Mazalin, Kotrulja
Bender, Vrkic, (Buljevic)
Zizic, Zubac, (Ljubicic, Gaspert)

serbianhoops
05-13-2015, 07:02 PM
Chicago-native 6'10" Serbian Nick Rakocevic (late 1997) plans to work with a personal trainer this summer to add quality weight to his frame and may miss the U18 Championship.

carlo
06-21-2015, 03:45 PM
Host Germany yesterday defeated by Turkey, 70-64.

Box score (http://www.basketball-bund.de/wp-content/uploads/U18mGER-TUR20-6-15.pdf)

carlo
06-22-2015, 06:03 AM
Germany also lost 2nd game vs Turkey, 70-67.

Picek
06-25-2015, 12:33 PM
Lovro Mazalin won't be part of our NT for this EC 'cause of his injury...

BiHBasket
06-25-2015, 05:57 PM
16 players who are currently on trainings in Sarajevo, 4 of them will not make final squad(obviously):

PG - Đorđe Aleksić (1997, Mladost Mrkonjić Grad), Ammar Gegić (1998, SPARS Sarajevo), Miljan Šarić (1997, Budućnost Bijeljina), Nemanja Marković (1997, Radnik Bijeljina), Adnan Arslanagić (1997, SPARS Sarajevo)

SG - Edin Atić (1997, SPARS Sarajevo), Nedim Đedović (1997, Barcelona), Ibrahim Durmo (1997, Čelik Zenica - loaned to SPARS Sarajevo)

SF - Damir Hadžić (1997, Rimini Crabs), Ajdin Penava (1997, SPARS Sarajevo), Arsenije Vučković (1998, Rookie Banja Luka)

PF - Fahrudin Manjgafić (1997, SPARS Sarajevo), Enis Memić (1997, Saint Louis Christian Academy/USA), Sandro Antunović (1998, KOŠ Sarajevo)

C - Alija Pirić (1997, SPARS Sarajevo), Admir Bešović (1997, KOŠ Sarajevo)


Our frontcourt:mad:, but our backcourt:o


And I found somewhere that they will play two games versus Turkey in Sarajevo, 26 June and 27 June.

LuDux
06-26-2015, 08:39 PM
Lithuanian last 16
BIRUTIS LAURYNAS 1997 211 C
IVANAUSKAS RAPOLAS 1998 208 PF
ECHODAS MARTYNAS 1997 208 PF
GALINAUSKAS GVIDAS 1997 204 PF
MASIULIS GYTIS 1998 203 PF
SEDEKERSKIS TADAS 1998 203 SF
KULBOKA ARNOLDAS 1998 203 SF
PIGAGA MANTAS 1997 201 SF
BERUČKA ARNAS 1997 198 SG
DIENINIS MYKOLAS 1997 198 SG
VARNAS MARTYNAS 1997 195 SG
ŠVAMBARIS JOKŪBAS 1997 192 PG
BELIAUSKAS LAURYNAS 1997 192 PG
ANDRIUŠKEVIČIUS MATAS 1997 190 SG
OŽELIS DAINIUS 1997 185 PG
PILAUSKAS AISTIS 1998 185 PG

Shockingly heights appear to be up to date!

carlo
06-27-2015, 07:06 AM
Croatia played an axhibition game with Hungary, winning 90-65 (39-21 in Q4).

Miksic (13), Proleta and Skokna (12), Bajo and Ljubicic (10) led Croatian team.

carlo
07-02-2015, 05:52 AM
At Cisternino tournament, Italy beat Czech Republic 72-64 (Lorenzo Caroti 15 pts), while Serbia won over Croatia 80-72 (Jovanovic 18).

carlo
07-03-2015, 09:53 AM
Cisternino D2:

Italy-Croatia 75-63 with Caroti and Guariglia 11 pts

Serbia-Czech Rep 60-59

christodoulou76
07-06-2015, 05:21 PM
Charalampopoulos, Papagiannis, Mouratos, Skoulidas, Lountzis - all part of this year's WC U19 4th placed team - are slated to play for Greece in this tournament. If they do, I think the Greek team will be quite competitive. Likely depth chart

Mouratos, Lountzis
Milentigievits, Flionis, Diplaros
Skoulidas, Pefanis, Ntouzidis
Charalampopoulos, Michaloutsos
Papagiannis, Christidis

carlo
07-07-2015, 06:23 AM
France (3-0) won the prep tournament of St. Chamond, beating Turkey 74-68.
Box score (http://www.ffbb.com/sites/default/files/2015-07-05_saint_chamond_tournament_u18m_2015_stats_rencon tre_922614_france-turquie.pdf)

Germany, Lithuania and Turkey all finished 1-2.

christodoulou76
07-07-2015, 02:35 PM
Mouratos cut from Greek U18 team (he has played terribly in the last two summers for Greek NTs). So likely depth chart is

Lountzis, Flionis, Chatzikyriakidis
Milentigievits, Diplaros
Skoulidas, Pefanis, Ntouzidis
Charalampopoulos, Michaloutsos
Papagiannis, Christidis

Players to look out for: Lountzis, Milentigievits, Pefanis, Charalampopoulos, Papagiannis and Christidis.

Andy7984
07-07-2015, 10:31 PM
T.J. Leaf to play for the Israel U-18 team later this month. He tried out for the USA U-19 team last month, but was among the first cuts. He was actually born in Israel, while his father was playing professionally in Israel. Moved back to the US when he was 2 years old. His father actually played for the senior Israeli national team at Eurobasket 1995.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13217276/arizona-wildcats-commit-tj-leaf-play-israeli-national-team

pohani komarac
07-09-2015, 10:24 AM
Kunce named 16 players for EC. Practicly B selection. No Mazalin, Bender, Zizic and Slavica. Only Zubac from top prospects

Mate Kalajžić (PG 188 98. Split)
Bruno Skokna (G 188 97. Cibona)
Vuk Lazić (PG 185 98. Zagreb)
Fran Vujić (PG 183 98. Dubrava)
Karlo Mikšić (PG 188 97. Cedevita)
Roko Badžim (SG 196 97. Šibenik)
Krešimir Radovčić (SG 194 97. Šibenik)
Petar Dubelj (SG 195 97. Dubrovnik)
Franko Kalpić (SF 198 97. Kvarner)
Ivan Perković (SF 198 97. Jolly JBS)
Mateo Čolak (PF 205 98. Široki)
Domagoj Vrkić (PF 203 97. Zadar)
Domagoj Proleta (PF 204 98. Real Madrid)
Lovro Buljević (PF/C 208 98. Cibona)
Ivica Zubac (C 213 97. Cibona)
Krešimir Ljubičić (C 207 98. Rudeš)

carlo
07-11-2015, 07:05 AM
Spain will play friendlies in the week end with Angola and Venezuela.

Spanish roster is expected to be reinforced by 5 U19 players, Sergi Garcia, Pablo Perez, Xabi Lopez, Ramon Vila and Samuel Rodriguez.

christodoulou76
07-11-2015, 06:55 PM
GRE lost to GER 67-75 in its first friendly match. Still injured Charalampopoulos didn't play. http://www.superbasket.gr/filiki-itta-apo-ti-germania-i-efivi/

carlo
07-11-2015, 08:01 PM
Italy added three players from U19 WC team (Costa, La Torre and Toté) and will end its preparation in Battipaglia meeting France twice.

Jon_Koncak
07-11-2015, 09:11 PM
There are rumors on twitter that the tournament could be cancelled due to whole situation in Greeece. :rolleyes:

carlo
07-12-2015, 06:08 AM
Spain U18 lost the first friendly vs Angola Sr team, 79-63.

Box score (http://www.feb.es/Documentos/Archivo/Upload/final_espa%C3%B1a_angola.pdf)

The game was marked by the comeback to NT of Spanish prospect Jonathan Barreiro.

Dreamcatcher
07-12-2015, 11:33 AM
There are rumors on twitter that the tournament could be cancelled due to whole situation in Greeece. :rolleyes:

:eek::eek::eek:

carlo
07-14-2015, 05:39 AM
Italy lost both exhibitions against France, 63-51 and 70-58. Davide Moretti scored 12 pts in 2nd game.

christodoulou76
07-16-2015, 07:46 PM
Mouratos back in the Greek NT line-up after being excluded last week. 3 losses later and he is back in the squad. Relying on Mouratos to rejuvenate the team is a sign of desperation. He is one of the worst shooters I have ever seen - FT, 2-pt, 3-pt shots all terrible.

Picek
07-17-2015, 05:50 AM
Nik Slavica didn't show up on a scheduled doctor appointment with our u18 NT.
Noone could reach him, not his NT coach and neither his club coach.
At the end he was found in Istanbul talking with Darusafaka even though he has a valid contract with Cibona.
He will most likely be suspended by our federation.

carlo
07-17-2015, 04:49 PM
Italian team (family name first):

Bolpin Riccardo, 1997, 194 cm, G
Bucarelli Lorenzo '98, 194, G
Candi Leonardo '97, 189, PG
Caroti Lorenzo '97, 188, PG
Cesana Luca '97, 191, G
Costa Valerio '97, 183, PG
Guariglia Tommaso '97, 208, C
La Torre Andrea '97, 202, Fw
Moretti Davide '98, 185, G
Nwohuocha Curtis '97, 200, F/C
Sgorbati Giacomo '97, 198, G/F
Tote’ Leonardo '97, 205, F/C

christodoulou76
07-18-2015, 07:49 PM
Gre-Ita 76-53. Ntouzidis 12, Flionis 12, Papagiannis 10 (7r). Unclear whether Charalampopoulos played with the team, probably not.

http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/basket/parti-tis-ethnikis-me-tin-italia/3098129

carlo
07-18-2015, 09:36 PM
Gre-Ita 76-53. Ntouzidis 12, Flionis 12, Papagiannis 10 (7r). Unclear whether Charalampopoulos played with the team, probably not.

http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/basket/parti-tis-ethnikis-me-tin-italia/3098129

No he didn't, at least looking at the Greek official site
http://www.basket.gr/index.php/eidhseis/3495-diethnes-tournoua-u18-ellada-italia-76-53

Disappointing Italy, none of the players scored in double digits, Moretti just 6 pts.

In other action, Serbia edged France 58-52, Stojanovic 17, Aranitovic 12 and Gombault 10.

slice me nice
07-18-2015, 10:06 PM
I have never seen such a strong group like the D one in any youth tournament. Every team has chances for being the first in the group. 4 teams can even be the biggest candidates for the title.

BiHBasket
07-18-2015, 10:28 PM
I have never seen such a strong group like the D one in any youth tournament. Every team has chances for being the first in the group. 4 teams can even be the biggest candidates for the title.

Croatia will play without Žižić, Bender, Mazalin and Slavica. With them it would be a best team in the tournament, but without them they aren't that good at all.

As for Bosnia, we don't have a good center, actually not even a decent one, so if they just menage to stay in division A it's enough.

christodoulou76
07-19-2015, 07:55 PM
FRA-GRE 67-52. France looks to be a medal favorite. They have been doing great in all the friendlies. http://www.superbasket.gr/den-ta-katafere-apenanti-sti-gallia-i-ellada-pics/
SRB-ITA 61-54.

Remaining Games:
GRE-SRB
ITA-FRA

haribi
07-19-2015, 11:05 PM
I can not understand why Ege Havsa and Egehan Arna are not with the turkish team even tho they aren't injured. Both starters normally and very talented players, especially Arna.
Instead we have 5 PF's.

Still very solid team and should be able to contend for medals. I expect Furkan Korkmaz to dominate.

Levenspiel
07-19-2015, 11:23 PM
I can not understand why Ege Havsa and Egehan Arna are not with the turkish team even tho they aren't injured. Both starters normally and very talented players, especially Arna.
Instead we have 5 PF's.

Still very solid team and should be able to contend for medals. I expect Furkan Korkmaz to dominate.
I guess the name "Ege" at the end of 90s were very popular. imagine a future NT with these names: Ege Arar, Egemen Guven, Ege Arna, Egehan Arna...

carlo
07-20-2015, 08:07 AM
Spain edged Finland in Guadalajara friendly, 85-81.
Box score (http://www.feb.es/Documentos/Archivo/Upload/Espa%C3%B1a-Finlandia_Finalu18m.pdf)

Game repeat today.

pohani komarac
07-20-2015, 09:01 AM
Croatia will play without Žižić, Bender, Mazalin and Slavica. With them it would be a best team in the tournament, but without them they aren't that good at all.

As for Bosnia, we don't have a good center, actually not even a decent one, so if they just menage to stay in division A it's enough.

Bigest problem for Croatia is Darko Kunce. His teams play unorganized basketball where guards play alone. He is only coach ever I remeber draft sites wrote about, and it was not in positive way. He never placed better then 8th place with very talented 89/90. Croatian generation

Stiall Croatia has 2 big prospects in Ivica Zubac and Mateo Kalajzic, and few nice rotation players

slice me nice
07-20-2015, 06:29 PM
I can not understand why Ege Havsa and Egehan Arna are not with the turkish team even tho they aren't injured. Both starters normally and very talented players, especially Arna.
Instead we have 5 PF's.

Still very solid team and should be able to contend for medals. I expect Furkan Korkmaz to dominate.

They are not injured. Egehan Arna is not in the roster due to unprofessional behaviors , ''I guess''.

carlo
07-20-2015, 07:32 PM
Volos final day:

France-Italy 80-71 (Ona Embo 17, Tchouaffe, Tillie 12, Gombauld, Ntilikina 10 - Cesana 13, Moretti 10)
Greece-Serbia 77-62 (Lountzis 12, Papagiannis 10 - Aranitovic, Glisic, Miladinovic 11)

Final standing: 1. France 2-1, 2. Greece 2-1, 3. Serbia 2-1, 4. Italy 0-3


Edit: made a quick search on Renathan Ona Embo, he's currently living in San Diego, USA and is student at Balboa City School (2017 class).
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/renathan-ona-embo

christodoulou76
07-20-2015, 09:43 PM
So who are the favorites in this tournament? Maybe

Tier 1
Turkey
France
Serbia
Germany
Spain
Greece

Tier 2
Lithuania
Italy
Latvia
Croatia

Tier 3
Russia
Bosnia
Czech Republic

Tier 4
Ukraine
Montenegro
Finland

Joško Poljak Fan
07-21-2015, 08:46 AM
Slovenia will play in the 2nd division with what should be one of the strongest generations we had since 84'-87' period. While Mesiček will mostlikely be called up to the senior NT preparations, at least Vlatko Čančar (203, SF, 97', 7ppg, 6rpg @U20) will come to help with U18 B division.

BiHBasket
07-21-2015, 09:14 AM
So this is the final roster of BiH:

PG – Ammar Gegić (1998, 195 cm), Đorđe Aleksić (1997, 184 cm), Miljan Šarić (1997, 177 cm)

SG – Edin Atić (1997, 198 cm), Nedim Đedović (1997, 201 cm), Ibrahim Durmo (1997, 197 cm)

SF – Ajdin Penava (1997, 205 cm), Damir Hadžić (1997, 202 cm)

PF – Fahrudin Manjgafić (1997, 204 cm), Enis Memić (1997, 204 cm), Sandro Antunović (1998, 207 cm)

C – Alija Pirić (1997, 210 cm)


If we ignore that on center position we are the worst team in the tournament, this isn't bad team at all. It will really depend on coaching how far they can go.
And those heights of player that I wrote are much more reliable than those on FIBA's page, for example there Bosnian U20 national team player Nedim Tunović is listed as 198 cm tall forward, while he is actually 208 cm tall center :D

christodoulou76
07-21-2015, 01:36 PM
Final Roster for Greek NT after two players (Agravanis, Stamatogiannis) were cut - http://www.superbasket.gr/i-12ada-gia-to-evropaiko-u18-kopikan-agravanis-ke-stamatogiannis/
Lountzis 98 1.92, Mouratos 97 1.92
Milintigevits 97 1.88, Flionis 97 1.90, Diplaros 97 1.90
Skoulidas 97 2.00, Ntouzidis 97 2.04, Michaloutsos 97 1.98
Charalampopoulos 97 2.08, Skordas 97 2.03
Papagiannis 97 2.18, Christidis 98 2.06

A solid squad, capable of a medal if all goes well. Good depth in the SG and SF positions. Players to watch: Lountzis, Milintigevits, Flionis, Charalampopoulos, Papagiannis, Christidis.

carlo
07-21-2015, 04:27 PM
France team:

4 LEBOEUF Arthur, 1997 175cm
5 TCHOUAFFE Bathiste, 1998, 195
6 NTILIKINA Frank, 1998, 193
7 JEANNE Jonathan, 1997, 215
8 LOUBAKI Luc, 1997, 190
9 DENIS Gauthier, 1997, 198
10 POIRIER Darel, 1997, 206
11 PONSAR Carl, 1997 200
12 ONA EMBO Renathan, 1998, 190
13 GOMBAULD Stéphane, 1997 204
14 TILLIE Killian, 1998 205
15 RAMBAUT Jules, 1998 201

pohani komarac
07-21-2015, 04:47 PM
Mate Kalajžić (PG 188 98. Split)
Bruno Skokna (G 188 97. Cibona)
Karlo Mikšić (PG 188 97. Cedevita)
Roko Badžim (SG 196 97. Šibenik)
Petar Dubelj (SG 195 97. Dubrovnik)
Franko Kalpić (SF 198 97. Kvarner)
Mateo Čolak (PF 205 98. Široki)
Domagoj Vrkić (PF 203 97. Zadar)
Domagoj Proleta (PF 204 98. Real Madrid)
Lovro Buljević (PF/C 208 98. Cibona)
Ivica Zubac (C 213 97. Cibona)
Krešimir Ljubičić (C 207 98. Rudeš)

slice me nice
07-21-2015, 06:36 PM
So many good teams over here. My opinion without a particular order

Tier 1
Turkey
France
Greece

Tier 2
Lithuania
Croatia
Serbia
Germany
Italy
Bosnia
Spain

Tier 3
Russia
Czech Republic
Latvia

Tier 4
Ukraine
Montenegro
Finland

christodoulou76
07-21-2015, 10:52 PM
Mate Kalajžić (PG 188 98. Split)
Bruno Skokna (G 188 97. Cibona)
Karlo Mikšić (PG 188 97. Cedevita)
Roko Badžim (SG 196 97. Šibenik)
Petar Dubelj (SG 195 97. Dubrovnik)
Franko Kalpić (SF 198 97. Kvarner)
Mateo Čolak (PF 205 98. Široki)
Domagoj Vrkić (PF 203 97. Zadar)
Domagoj Proleta (PF 204 98. Real Madrid)
Lovro Buljević (PF/C 208 98. Cibona)
Ivica Zubac (C 213 97. Cibona)
Krešimir Ljubičić (C 207 98. Rudeš)

Zubac will dominate!

christodoulou76
07-22-2015, 01:04 PM
The championship is about to begin! :cool: Slice Me Nice and I have pretty similar power rankings. What does everyone else think about who the favorites in this tournament are?

Victorious
07-22-2015, 01:25 PM
Final Roster for Greek NT after two players (Agravanis, Stamatogiannis) were cut - http://www.superbasket.gr/i-12ada-gia-to-evropaiko-u18-kopikan-agravanis-ke-stamatogiannis/
Lountzis 98 1.92, Mouratos 97 1.92
Milintigevits 97 1.88, Flionis 97 1.90, Diplaros 97 1.90
Skoulidas 97 2.00, Ntouzidis 97 2.04, Michaloutsos 97 1.98
Charalampopoulos 97 2.08, Skordas 97 2.03
Papagiannis 97 2.18, Christidis 98 2.06

A solid squad, capable of a medal if all goes well. Good depth in the SG and SF positions. Players to watch: Lountzis, Milintigevits, Flionis, Charalampopoulos, Papagiannis, Christidis.

Why did you rank this squad as first tier and not the previous one at the U19 WC as second tier? Are the opponents weaker? Anyway, today it has been 20 years since the Greek U19 squad became world champion for the first time. I noticed that that squad didn't produce great players. The best ones were Rentzias and Papanikolaou. They interviewed some of the players today and they said that they were a great team playing together since the cadet phase. Which goes to show that good teams are useless when it come to evaluating prospects.

christodoulou76
07-22-2015, 01:38 PM
Why did you rank this squad as first tier and not the previous one at the U19 WC as second tier? Are the opponents weaker? Anyway, today it has been 20 years since the Greek U19 squad became world champion for the first time. I noticed that that squad didn't produce great players. The best ones were Rentzias and Papanikolaou. They interviewed some of the players today and they said that they were a great team playing together since the cadet phase. Which goes to show that good teams are useless when it come to evaluating prospects.

Yes, the opponents are weaker. First this is an U18 competition and not an U19, so there is an age difference. Second, it is a European competition and not a World competition. These are the two reasons that Greece's tier status is different in the two cases. As far as the evaluation of teams vs. prospects, some of us enjoy these tournaments as competitions in their own right. :)

Victorious
07-22-2015, 03:22 PM
Yes, the opponents are weaker. First this is an U18 competition and not an U19, so there is an age difference. Second, it is a European competition and not a World competition. These are the two reasons that Greece's tier status is different in the two cases. As far as the evaluation of teams vs. prospects, some of us enjoy these tournaments as competitions in their own right. :)

Well, at the end of the day these teams are all about feeding the senior teams. Sure, one roots for his country, but the priority is to ascertain skilled players.

slice me nice
07-22-2015, 06:18 PM
Yes, the opponents are weaker. First this is an U18 competition and not an U19, so there is an age difference. Second, it is a European competition and not a World competition. These are the two reasons that Greece's tier status is different in the two cases. As far as the evaluation of teams vs. prospects, some of us enjoy these tournaments as competitions in their own right. :)

Christodoulou, I don't think this tournament is weaker than U19 WC. There were some Asian teams who were so far from competing with European teams. But in this tournament, even the mediocre teams (f.e Montenegro) have interesting talents and can make upsets here.

christodoulou76
07-22-2015, 06:20 PM
Christodoulou, I don't think this tournament is weaker than U19 WC. There were some Asian teams who were so far to compete with European teams. But in this tournament, even the mediocre teams (f.e Montenegro) have interesting talents and can make upsets in this tournament.

I think it depends on how you look at it. In one sense, this tournament is weaker. The top 6 teams are not as good as the top 6 teams in WC. In another sense, this tournament is tougher. The bottom 6 teams are much stronger than the bottom 6 teams in WC. So we are both right. :D

serbianhoops
07-22-2015, 08:00 PM
Jakovos Milentigevits or Jakov Milentijevic. His dad is Serbian.

serbianhoops
07-22-2015, 08:10 PM
So this is the final roster of BiH:

PG – Ammar Gegić (1998, 195 cm), Đorđe Aleksić (1997, 184 cm), Miljan Šarić (1997, 177 cm)

SG – Edin Atić (1997, 198 cm), Nedim Đedović (1997, 201 cm), Ibrahim Durmo (1997, 197 cm)

SF – Ajdin Penava (1997, 205 cm), Damir Hadžić (1997, 202 cm)

PF – Fahrudin Manjgafić (1997, 204 cm), Enis Memić (1997, 204 cm), Sandro Antunović (1998, 207 cm)

C – Alija Pirić (1997, 210 cm)


If we ignore that on center position we are the worst team in the tournament, this isn't bad team at all. It will really depend on coaching how far they can go.
And those heights of player that I wrote are much more reliable than those on FIBA's page, for example there Bosnian U20 national team player Nedim Tunović is listed as 198 cm tall forward, while he is actually 208 cm tall center :D

Ajdin Penava is a nice sleeper. He will play college ball next season at Marshall University.

So, the Basketball Federation of Bosnia's dilettantes still don't know nothing about Bosnian poor man's Vladimir Stimac who already has interest from a dozen of NCAA teams. :rolleyes:

Srle
07-22-2015, 08:56 PM
Why would anyone follow poor man Stimac , sounds like a horrible player;)

serbianhoops
07-22-2015, 09:30 PM
Maybe because he is surprisingly agile and runs the court well for a kid built like a 6'10" and 260 lbs lineman. He could have been a post and rebounding force for that Bosnia U18 squad.

LuDux
07-22-2015, 10:40 PM
Lithuanian NT
Laurynas Birutis 211
Martynas Echodas 208
Gvidas Galinauskas 204
Gytis Masiulis 203
Tadas Sedekerskis 203
Mykolas Dieninis 202
Arnoldas Kulboka 205
Arnas Berucka 198
Martynas Varnas 196
Jokübas Svambaris 192
Laurynas Beliauskas 192
Aistis Pilauskas 190

Joško Poljak Fan
07-22-2015, 11:14 PM
So, the Basketball Federation of Bosnia's dilettantes still don't know nothing about Bosnian poor man's Vladimir Stimac with already 10 NCAA D1 offers on the table. :rolleyes:
That's your job man :D you should make a business out of it.

christodoulou76
07-23-2015, 01:08 AM
First day of the tournament is upon us. Some great games to kick off the tournament.

ESP-FRA These two teams are medal contenders. Could go either way.
SRB-GER This game will show how good GER is. SRB will be tested hard in this game.
ITA-TUR I expect TUR to win, but ITA has some very good players.
GRE-CRO A lot of pressure on GRE to perform on home soil. Can CRO take advantage? How fit will Chara be?

These 8 teams could very well be the quarterfinalists in the tournament. First place in each group could be determined today.

BiHBasket
07-23-2015, 03:36 AM
FIBA again created mess with heights, Antunović who is legit 207 cm is listed as 200 cm tall:mad: They did great job with all those game streams on youtube, though.

carlo
07-23-2015, 08:57 AM
Looking at Eurohopes 1997/1998 top-50 rankings, "best" teams in terms of talents are (no surprise) Serbia, France, Turkey, Germany, Lithuania, Greece and Spain.

Today also Div. B with as many as 24 teams starts, Poland, Slovenia and Belgium should be favorites, but of course any surprise is possible in a so crowded tournament.

Italian Pride
07-23-2015, 10:26 AM
carlo,but La Torre is still injury?

So Korkamaz won't play eurobasket senior?

Levenspiel
07-23-2015, 10:33 AM
So Korkamaz won't play eurobasket senior?
Probably not. He will have been completely exhausted in the regular season if he does.

Efesdxb
07-23-2015, 10:38 AM
Furkan Korkmaz might be in senior squad. Only Sinan Guler is locked in his position. He might be selected between Birkan Batuk, Melih Mahmutoglu and Can Maxim Mutaf.
My personal opinion he will be.

Italian Pride
07-23-2015, 11:07 AM
Furkan Korkmaz might be in senior squad. Only Sinan Guler is locked in his position. He might be selected between Birkan Batuk, Melih Mahmutoglu and Can Maxim Mutaf.
My personal opinion he will be.
I knew that a player could participate up to two competitions international issues with their national!

it has changed the rule?

carlo
07-23-2015, 12:08 PM
carlo,but La Torre is still injury?

So Korkamaz won't play eurobasket senior?

La Torre should be in the team, but he didn't play much in friendlies, also at the U19WC he was far below his potential...

gockun
07-23-2015, 12:21 PM
First day of the tournament is upon us. Some great games to kick off the tournament.

ESP-FRA These two teams are medal contenders. Could go either way.
SRB-GER This game will show how good GER is. SRB will be tested hard in this game.
ITA-TUR I expect TUR to win, but ITA has some very good players.
GRE-CRO A lot of pressure on GRE to perform on home soil. Can CRO take advantage? How fit will Chara be?

These 8 teams could very well be the quarterfinalists in the tournament. First place in each group could be determined today.

Italians defeated Turkey two years ago. And this generation didn't win a medal so far. So Turkey is not a favoritfavorite contender I guess

auris1
07-23-2015, 04:34 PM
So who are the favorites in this tournament? Maybe

Tier 1
Turkey
France
Serbia
Germany
Spain
Greece



Why did you put Germany is in tier one ?
I am not questioning your order ,but just would like your opinion .if anyone else can chime in, I would be grateful as well.

christodoulou76
07-23-2015, 04:51 PM
Why did you put Germany is in tier one ?
I am not questioning your order ,but just would like your opinion .if anyone else can chime in, I would be grateful as well.

I saw they won a few of their preparation games. Taras and Kiel are strong players. I should have put LTU in the first tier as well, now that I think of it. Also RUS and LAT maybe.

christodoulou76
07-23-2015, 04:54 PM
FRA beat ESP 64-58 so we can safely assume that the final standings of Group A will be 1. FRA, 2. ESP, 3. CZE, 4. UKR.

LAT beat MNE 70-61. LAT will probably fight with GER for 2nd place in the group.

RUS destroyed FIN 89-62. Could they be a force in this tournament? TUR is beating ITA at halftime 29-22.

LTU crushed BIH 73-50.

haribi
07-23-2015, 04:56 PM
Turkey is missing a strong PG and someone who can take some pressure of Furkan Korkmaz on the offensive end. Too bad the coach left two players who could do exactly that at home with Ege Havsa and Egehan Arna.

carlo
07-23-2015, 05:11 PM
Russia was a kind of mystery, no well known players, few friendlies of reference. Crushing today Finland (that few days ago lost by just 4 against Spain) Russia could be a surprise in this tournament (we'll see tomorrow vs Italy!).

auris1
07-23-2015, 05:23 PM
LTU crushed BIH 73-50.
I would go for a phrase "a comfortable win ,in the end". But that just me.
I have to say that I mildly surprise by the progress Birutis,Lithuanian centre and 211 cm tall, has made since the tournament two years ago in Ukraine . In just one game he scored 3 points (13) more than in whole tournament 2 years ago. Obviously ,he was not slouching since by playing in Zalgiris 2 , but he came way about expectations most of Lithuanian fans here ( including me ) gave him for the future. Echodas and Varnas remained the leaders of this generation since the tournament 2 years ago ,with Sedekerskis ,a year younger than the rest , probably catching up physically ,because there was never doubt regarding his talent. Talking about the talent ,I would say that overall this team is more talented than our under 20 u. But the competition is tough ,so anything above 7 th place ,I guess?

Italian Pride
07-23-2015, 05:44 PM
Moretti f..ck

slice me nice
07-23-2015, 05:45 PM
I have so much things to say Turkish coach but I will keep my silence a little bit more. Important win for us in opening game. The team needs to use Yurtseven. Awful performance from Turkey.

Levenspiel
07-23-2015, 05:58 PM
I have so much things to say Turkish coach but I will keep my silence a little bit more. Important win for us in opening game. The team needs to use Yurtseven. Awful performance from Turkey.
His offensive set when we were down -2 was brilliant: get the ball to Korkmaz and pray he pulls a trick. Italian coach guessed this easily as it seemed to be the main game plan all along anyway. We can't go anywhere with this 1-man show gamestyle; Enes can take more responsibility; Omer Al and Omer Yurtseven can run some pick&rolls.

Italy has good finishers around the rim by the way. Tote had some nice plays.

Italian Pride
07-23-2015, 06:07 PM
His offensive set when we were down -2 was brilliant: get the ball to Korkmaz and pray he pulls a trick. Italian coach guessed this easily as it seemed to be the main game plan all along anyway. We can't go anywhere with this 1-man show gamestyle; Enes can take more responsibility; Omer Al and Omer Yurtseven can run some pick&rolls.

Italy has good finishers around the rim by the way. Tote had some nice plays.

both team played very bad,our coah don't give any offensive set,only 1vs 5 and pn'roll!

Totč is very good prospect,he can grow up,but he is a power forward not a C!

La Torre today isn't 100 % unfortunately and our team is very poor talented,so our goal will be pass the first stage!

BiHBasket
07-23-2015, 06:07 PM
Varnas was amazing for Lithuania today, couple of times our players did everything right in defence but he scored anyway.

auris1
07-23-2015, 06:20 PM
GRE - CRO is live
Hopefully,this will be game is of the day

serbianhoops
07-23-2015, 06:35 PM
That's your job man :D you should make a business out of it.

;) Btw, the Dayton Flyers recently hosted one of the top rising 2016 centers in Ohio. Unfortunately, Matej Avanzo didn't take account of my advice.

pohani komarac
07-23-2015, 06:36 PM
GRE - CRO is live
Hopefully,this will be game is of the day

yeah right

i counted 3 pick's i first q. rest were isolations for zubac or desperation shots from guards

darko kunce is our problem

Joško Poljak Fan
07-23-2015, 06:36 PM
Croatia is way too Zubac centric, while Papagiannis is using his height advantage quite well, while predicting where the ball will likely go isn't that hard either.

auris1
07-23-2015, 06:47 PM
yeah right

i counted 3 pick's i first q. rest were isolations for zubac or desperation shots from guards

darko kunce is our problem
I am switching for now to Serbia game

pohani komarac
07-23-2015, 06:53 PM
papagianis is full grown man playing with kids, but he still shold find place in pro level

CG
07-23-2015, 07:11 PM
papagianis is full grown man playing with kids, but he still shold find place in pro level

This year along with charalampopoulow will find
he will be 3rd center of our team.in fact this is the reason why he stayed in the team and wasnt departed to america.to find time.
furthermore djordjevic talked to him personally in order to persuade him to stay

Levenspiel
07-23-2015, 07:16 PM
why is Skokna is so overconfident? he's terrible (in this game).

auris1
07-23-2015, 07:18 PM
papagianis is full grown man playing with kids, but he still shold find place in pro level

What?
Is he " yet" to find his place in pro level? Like he is too good to be playing at this junior team but not good enough to play at pro level?
And the answer from CG is even more confusing.

CG
07-23-2015, 07:23 PM
What?
Is he " yet" to find his place in pro level? Like he is too good to be playing at this junior team but not good enough to play at pro level?
And the answer from CG is even more confusing.

Papagiannis is too good for this level
the thing is that as always our junior teams never give the ball inside.so you have a really dominant center with half of the attacks he should get normally.
zubac is great talent unquestionable but tonight he has problems against papagiannis

pohani komarac
07-23-2015, 07:26 PM
What?
Is he " yet" to find his place in pro level? Like he is too good to be playing at this junior team but not good enough to play at pro level?


not sure what is confusing here?

he is "10 years older" in terms of body developmet like ulby, latorre, akyol, kedzo....and manny other kids whoi used to be considerd big prospects by draft sites journalist, but in reality they were just more matured

Papagianis tough has abilitys to translate his game on pro level unlike kedzo for sample. he lacks skills and touch, but had body and athleticisam for pro level

Victorious
07-23-2015, 07:27 PM
Greece and France seem the strongest so far.

CG
07-23-2015, 07:30 PM
Greece and France seem the strongest so far.

According to some friendlies france is the best team of the tournament

christodoulou76
07-23-2015, 07:32 PM
After day one games, the tiers seem to be

Tier 1
France
Germany
Lithuania
Russia
Greece
Spain

Tier 2
Serbia
Croatia
Italy
Latvia

Tier 3
Bosnia
Montenegro
Czech Republic
Ukraine
Finland

the_black_planet
07-23-2015, 07:38 PM
Does anybody watch Germany-Serbia? How is Hartenstein?? I've seen some draft sites saying he can be the next Dirk, I'm switching to this game now to take a look ;)

pohani komarac
07-23-2015, 07:52 PM
What Real Madrid saw in Proleta is beyond me. Almost finished physicly and not much talent at all

auris1
07-23-2015, 08:24 PM
not sure what is confusing here?

he is "10 years older" in terms of body developmet like ulby, latorre, akyol, kedzo....and manny other kids whoi used to be considerd big prospects by draft sites journalist, but in reality they were just more matured

Papagianis tough has abilitys to translate his game on pro level unlike kedzo for sample. he lacks skills and touch, but had body and athleticisam for pro level
Look,nothing personal here . But there is thing that I have told you before and I will tell you now again. Use spellcheck and just proof read your posts beforehand you post them. Ideally,you make some credible and interesting posts where afterwards people like me read them and hopefully ,contribute to further discussion. But hey, what about just mumble jumble ?

pohani komarac
07-23-2015, 08:36 PM
Look,nothing personal here . But there is thing that I have told you before and I will tell you now again. Use spellcheck and just proof read your posts beforehand you post them. Ideally,you make some credible and interesting posts where afterwards people like me read them and hopefully ,contribute to further discussion. But hey, what about just mumble jumble ?

That's to much concetration for me. After few minutes evryething wold spin in my head, not joaking. I even did that in school. Forgeting words, letters even full lines. I would write them in my head, but not on paper:o

auris1
07-23-2015, 09:04 PM
That's to much concetration for me. After few minutes evryething wold spin in my head, not joaking. I even did that in school. Forgeting words, letters even full lines. I would write them in my head, but not on paper:o
ahh,sorry to hear that . Well,in regard of all what you have said here you are probably better off to continue the way you have been doing it already anyways . For me, I have always been a sort of arsehole no matter how hard i try not to be one. Some things never change. Still...

auris1
07-23-2015, 09:17 PM
I saw they won a few of their preparation games. Taras and Kiel are strong players. I should have put LTU in the first tier as well, now that I think of it. Also RUS and LAT maybe.

Ok, I see your point now.
Regarding Germany ,that is. I watched the most of GER vs SER game. Once more ,as in ITA vs TUR game,neither team was better than the other. If there was some sort of tag war ,then I would say that one team survived and won just because the other have drowned in the mud.
But ,in the end of the , there is victory that counts. I think that Serbia went full retard mode when they decided to win the game with minus seven and thirty seconds left instead of keeping the margin close.

christodoulou76
07-23-2015, 09:41 PM
It seems that final standings of groups will be

Group A:
1. FRA
2. ESP
3. CZE
4. UKR

amazingly the final standings in this group seem to have already been determined after day one.

Group B:
1. GER
2. SRB or LAT
3. SRB or LAT
4. MNE

Group C:
Anything could happen in first three spots.
4. FIN

Group D:
1. GRE or LTU
2. GRE or LTU
3. CRO
4. BIH

Victorious
07-24-2015, 11:17 AM
Greece and France seem the strongest so far.

Quite likely. And depending on how strong Croatia actually is, Greece could be a candidate as well. But it could be that I have overestimated the Croatians although I saw they had a few skilled players.

Anyway, the level seems clearly lower compared to the WC U19, and it seems that Greece sticks out a little bit more, because some of its best players, more specifically Charalampopoulos and Papagiannis, where a year younger than the Croats, Turks, Serbs, Spanish in previous tournaments.

christodoulou76
07-24-2015, 01:23 PM
FRA-CZE 75-38. :eek: FRA is the gold medal favorite.

TUR-FIN 80-63.

carlo
07-24-2015, 03:46 PM
ITA-RUS 63-54, it's a good result for players and coach. La Torre finally had a fine game, Moretti?

ESP-UKR 70-68, down to the wire.

pohani komarac
07-24-2015, 04:53 PM
Quite likely. And depending on how strong Croatia actually is, Greece could be a candidate as well. But it could be that I have overestimated the Croatians although I saw they had a few skilled players.

Anyway, the level seems clearly lower compared to the WC U19, and it seems that Greece sticks out a little bit more, because some of its best players, more specifically Charalampopoulos and Papagiannis, where a year younger than the Croats, Turks, Serbs, Spanish in previous tournaments.

Besides Arapovic and Bozic core of Croatian NT were 97. born kids. Mazalin, Zizic, Zubac and Slavica + Badzim, untulented kid who plays minutes because he has to

Unffortunally we lack any kind of organization both on ofense and defense with Kunce as coach

Victorious
07-24-2015, 06:05 PM
Besides Arapovic and Bozic core of Croatian NT were 97. born kids. Mazalin, Zizic, Zubac and Slavica + Badzim, untulented kid who plays minutes because he has to

Unffortunally we lack any kind of organization both on ofense and defense with Kunce as coach

Yeah well, I keep saying that at the end of the day the organisation and team chemistry are rather irrelevant factors at youth levels. The coach may suck and the team may not win a medal, but if the talent is there then that's all that matters.

christodoulou76
07-24-2015, 06:50 PM
Trolls on livestream of GRE-LTU game are being complete assholes. It is disappointing.

slice me nice
07-24-2015, 06:54 PM
Trolls on livestream of GRE-LTU game are being complete assholes. It is disappointing.

Brother, why don't you close comment section on livestream, I always do. :D Nothing good comes from youtube comments :)

christodoulou76
07-24-2015, 07:00 PM
Brother, why don't you close comment section on livestream, I always do. :D Nothing good comes from youtube comments :)

You are wise. I have closed the chat and a smile has returned to my face. :D

Victorious
07-24-2015, 07:37 PM
Trolls on livestream of GRE-LTU game are being complete assholes. It is disappointing.

You actually pay attention to that?

Victorious
07-24-2015, 07:40 PM
Lithuania and Greece seem equal. Perhaps Lithuania should win this one. Charalampopoulos is by far the best player on court.

saritasbora
07-24-2015, 08:02 PM
Lithuania and Greece seem equal. Perhaps Lithuania should win this one. Charalampopoulos is by far the best player on court.

I've been much more impressed by Varnas tbh

Straight forward
07-24-2015, 08:11 PM
I've been much more impressed by Varnas tbh

What an intense and competitive game! Varnas was great in the clutch, but I was pissed all game long how he shies from using his strength all game long and just trying to shoot. With his quickness, athletic ability and technique he should be tearing apart the defences under the basket. He can be special if he will put everything he has together. Doesn't know yet how to utilize his best qualities in efficient way.

From Greeks I was more impressed by 10th number, a shooter than Charalampopoulos who seem to be a very heavy big with shooting ability, but he barely will have any advantages in PRO level, IMO.

Victorious
07-24-2015, 08:37 PM
I've been much more impressed by Varnas tbh

That's because he made the clutch shot after my reply.

vaslover
07-24-2015, 11:13 PM
Great victory by lithuanians. Unlike their quite average U 20 team where they had only three serious players ( Domantas Sabonis, Valinskas, Edvinas Seskus ) in their U 18 we can see no less than seven very strong players..... Varnas, Echodas, Birutis(imho,very promissing Center,for one year he made huge step in his basketball development),Beliauskas,amazing Sedekerskis ( seems like Kutxa have good taste actually),Masiulis( with his size and defensive game he reminds me so much of his father) and Kulboka ( this player has a lot of potential, but he,s just 17 years old as well as Sedekerskis and he still has time to utilize his skills and best basketball qualities in efficient way ). As for Greece,need to admit, at the end of the game their leader Charalampopoulos was not good enough.....

Straight forward
07-25-2015, 12:10 AM
,Masiulis( with his size and defensive game he reminds me so much of his father)

Well I actually thought this is one of the rare cases when famous father "gets" his son into the NT :) Masiulis had a horrific first game against Bosnia (and I mean it) and he didn't shine against Greece. He moves well for his size however, so maybe he just didn't show what he can yet because Stombergas (the head coach) was using him as a starter in the first game.

haribi
07-25-2015, 12:46 PM
Turkey started the 3rd quarter trailing by 5 and finished it leading by 25. One of the most onesided quarters I have ever seen.

Levenspiel
07-25-2015, 12:48 PM
Turkey started the 3rd quarter trailing by 5 and finished it leading by 25. One of the most onesided quarters I have ever seen.
They simply dismantled Russia in one quarter: 35-5 :eek:

slice me nice
07-25-2015, 01:22 PM
We will test our real power in the second phase. Russia, Finland etc.. can't be our opponents. I wonder what will our guys do against Greece and Lithuania. I hope we won't feel the absences of Arna, Onar, Yarol, Sarıaslan and Havsa. I have faith in this team. Ömer Utku Al is a great player. The one who wants to read my analyze about him can go to European Prospects '98 born thread.

christodoulou76
07-25-2015, 05:34 PM
Group E:
FRA 2-0
GER 2-0
ESP 1-1
SRB 1-1
LAT 0-2
CZE 0-2

Group F:
TUR 2-0
LTU 2-0
ITA 1-1
BIH 1-1
RUS 0-2
GRE 0-2

auris1
07-25-2015, 06:34 PM
LAT vs GER
What are the margins for each team to lose?

auris1
07-25-2015, 07:22 PM
Tough win for Lithuanian team,it was. For a third game in a row we go down by ten points or more in a first half, only to grind down towards the victory. So there is an easy way to do it and there is our way to do it. On a good side we can adjust to the opponent during the game , on the bad side it seems that we are always unprepared . Once more,Birutis was the man for us. Not only he had managed to absorb the damage from Zubac and big Greek fellow in the game before but also was very productive on the attacking end. That was just remarkable performance from a guy who was nobody just a week ago. Did you notice that he can shoot both hands? Before I choke myself to death with excitement I would have to say that,yes ,the world's domination for him is far from certain, and probably will never happen anyways . But one thing is for sure that Echodas is no more choice number one for as a C.
And as for Sedekerskis.... He is one smooth mother fker,pardon my French. That was a compliment , no less.

christodoulou76
07-25-2015, 07:28 PM
LAT vs GER
What are the margins for each team to lose?

No margins. If GER wins they go through. If they lose they are out. LAT goes through either way.

Remon
07-25-2015, 08:02 PM
Hopefully this was Papatheodorou's last game.

EDIT: With the nt I meant, not in general.

EDIT2: It seems like we went through anyway. Pitty.

christodoulou76
07-25-2015, 08:06 PM
Mouratos -13 in +/-. Worst on the team again. Don't blame Papatheodorou. He kicked Mouratos out of the team and then mysteriously he was brought back. I suspect Olympiacos pressured him to bring him back since they have invested in this terrible player. Greece was claiming to want a medal in this tournament. Now it becomes clear that we won't even make it to the QFs. :rolleyes:

Remon
07-25-2015, 08:08 PM
It wasn't just Mouratos' fault. Charalampopoulos, Papagiannis and Lountzis (again) were beyond bad today.

BiHBasket
07-25-2015, 08:10 PM
So yesterday Bosnia had + 24 in the second half against Croatia and still with shocking last seconds points Croatia won it in the end by 1 point, and today Bosnia won against Greece by 1 point. At least it's never boring with us;)

christodoulou76
07-25-2015, 08:11 PM
Predicted final standings at the end of 2nd round:

Group E:
1. FRA 5-0
2. SRB 3-2
3. ESP 3-2
4. GER 3-1
5. LAT 1-4
6. CZE 0-5

Group F:
1. TUR 5-0
2. LTU 4-1
3. ITA 3-2
4. BIH 2-3
5. GRE 1-4
6. RUS 0-5

FRA, TUR, SRB should win their QF matches. ESP-LTU too close to call.

Victorious
07-25-2015, 08:13 PM
Why didn't he play Papagiannis in the 4th quarter? And Charalampopoulos was once again absent in the last minutes.

This team has no chemistry.

auris1
07-25-2015, 08:15 PM
No margins. If GER wins they go through. If they lose they are out. LAT goes through either way.

Thanks.

slice me nice
07-25-2015, 08:17 PM
Papagiannis is the most inconsistent player in this tournament. Capable of doing the best and worst at the same time. I don't bet on this guy anymore. He was clearly the best player of his generation two years ago. Late bloomers are more effective than him now.

Victorious
07-25-2015, 08:33 PM
Papagiannis is the most inconsistent player in this tournament. Capable of doing the best and worst at the same time. I don't bet on this guy anymore. He was clearly the best player of his generation two years ago. Late bloomers are more effective than him now.

I agree he is inconsistent. I think that he is better off playing for a college team rather than rotting in Pao's bench. Normally Pao and Oly used to sign young players after they were 20. Now they are on the bench at 16.

Although one should not get carried away. These are young kids and can't handle the pressure. While their opponents were playing, it seems, more loose.

BiHBasket
07-26-2015, 02:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91v65XZ4LBY&feature=youtu.be


And I was suprised by behavior of Greek fans. They didn't booed our anthem, they even applauded to our players in the end. Don't ask me why I'm suprised, some memories from football matches:)



In one day they lost the game by 1 after they had + 24, and just day after they won the game by 1 after they were down - 13, this team isn't for those with weak heart
http://oi60.tinypic.com/mi1cvn.jpg

christodoulou76
07-27-2015, 02:58 AM
All-Tournament Team (based on performances so far):
Martynas Varnas 3rd in apg; 12th in ppg
Furkan Korkmaz 1st in ppg; 3rd in ftm
Vojislav Stojanovic 1st in apg; 7th in bpg
Stephane Gombault 7th in FG%; 9th in drpg
Raul Villa 1st in 2fgm, 2nd in orpg

christodoulou76
07-27-2015, 02:58 PM
Very strange scheduling. GRE should be playing TUR since 0-2 teams typically play 2-0 teams in first game of 2nd round when there is this format. That is what is happening in Group E with FRA-LAT (FRA won in a blowout) and GER-CZE (GER is crushing CZE in Q3). In Group F, it should have been TUR-GRE and LTU-RUS. But instead GRE is playing ITA. I think the organizers are trying to give GRE a slightly easier game to try to win to stay alive in the competition after two devastating losses. But I think this should not have been done because it is not fair to change the schedule for the benefit of one team. The irony will be if ITA wins tonight.

Italian Pride
07-27-2015, 03:41 PM
Despite 0-2 Greece arrived 2nd in the first stage:

1st vs 3st and 2nd vs 2nd, these are the schedule always in the first game of second stage :)

BiHBasket
07-27-2015, 03:47 PM
Seems like our players are having nice time in Volos at night:rolleyes:
https://www.facebook.com/301501366529476/videos/vb.301501366529476/1049389305074008/?type=2&theater

christodoulou76
07-27-2015, 04:19 PM
Despite 0-2 Greece arrived 2nd in the first stage:

1st vs 3st and 2nd vs 2nd, these are the schedule always in the first game of second stage :)

Greece arrived 3rd behind BIH which is 2nd and LTU which is 1st.

Italian Pride
07-27-2015, 04:34 PM
Greece arrived 3rd behind BIH which is 2nd and LTU which is 1st.

Greece arrived 2nd because you had a better goal difference in the the games against Bosnia and Croatia

Greece (+23 vs Croatia and -1 vs Bosnia= +22)
Bosnia ( +1 vs Greece and -1 vs Croatia =0)
Croatia (-23 vs Greece and +1 vs bosnia =-22)

christodoulou76
07-27-2015, 04:59 PM
Greece arrived 2nd because you had a better goal difference in the the games against Bosnia and Croatia

Greece (+23 vs Croatia and -1 vs Bosnia= +22)
Bosnia ( +1 vs Greece and -1 vs Croatia =0)
Croatia (-23 vs Greece and +1 vs bosnia =-22)

You're right. :D

auris1
07-27-2015, 06:26 PM
Greece arrived 2nd because you had a better goal difference in the the games against Bosnia and Croatia

Greece (+23 vs Croatia and -1 vs Bosnia= +22)
Bosnia ( +1 vs Greece and -1 vs Croatia =0)
Croatia (-23 vs Greece and +1 vs bosnia =-22)
So ,wait. Greece was second in the group,although Bosnia is the team with plus one going to latter stages ? Funny ,that is. It is like a riddle where even our math guy on this forum ( yes ,it is you ,Chris ) was caught unaware off. Very rare occurrence ,I have to say,but probable . New to me,anyways.

auris1
07-27-2015, 07:07 PM
So Lithuania managed to overcome Russians ,somehow,hard way ,if you ask me. I still remember the time when Kurtinaitis was a head coach of lrytas ,and at some random LKL game early into the season he decided that the task for the team was to win the game without a single dribble. They did,like by 30 at least . This was similar game,where we had 11 players by the end of second quarter on the court ,all 12 by the end of the game, with only 3 players with less than 10 minutes per game. No time outs , not until the game got to close with a few minutes to play. Not sure if I like that at all... Still . Victory is a victory ,and that is all that counts in the end.

serbianhoops
07-27-2015, 07:40 PM
Who's the genius who decided to use 6'5" Gordan Glomazic and 6'6" Milos Popovic as Montenegro U18 center duo instead of 6'10" Milan Suskavcevic and 6'10" Filip Nikcevic ?

In term of upside, Suskavcevic and Nikcevic will be better able to cover that spot at senior level.

While strong build Milos Popovic could be more effective as an old shool PF in the tradition of players like Dejan Milojevic or Ante Grgurevic.

christodoulou76
07-27-2015, 08:01 PM
Group E:
FRA 3-0: will probably need to beat GER to secure first place.
GER 3-0: If they lose to ESP they could fall to 3rd place.
ESP 2-1: A win against LAT will secure qualification. A win against GER as well will probably secure 2nd place.
SRB 1-2: They will need to beat CZE to qualify for the QFs assuming they lose to FRA.
LAT 0-3: All but eliminated.
CZE 0-3: Wins against SRB and LAT are needed to qualify, assuming SRB loses to FRA.

Group F:
LTU 3-0: The game against TUR will determine first place in the group. It should be a great contest.
TUR 3-0
GRE 1-2:
ITA 1-2:
BIH 1-2:
RUS 0-3: Wins against BIH and GRE are needed to qualify.

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 11:18 AM
All-Tournament Team (predicted) with updated stats
Martynas Varnas 2nd in apg; 8th in ppg, 4th in 3fgm
Furkan Korkmaz 3rd in ppg; 5th in ftm
Vojislav Stojanovic 3rd in apg; 7th in bpg
Stephane Gombault 3rd in FG%; 8th in drpg
Raul Villa 1st in 2fgm, 2nd FG%, 2nd in orpg

2nd Team
Edin Atic 6th in 2p FG %; 4th in spg
Kostja Mushidi 10th in ppg; 3rd in 3pfgm
Dionysis Skoulidas 12th in ppg; 5th in 3pfgm
Tadas Sedekerskis 5th in FG%; 6th in 2pfgm
Omer Yurtseven 2nd in rpg; 2nd in bpg

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 11:26 AM
Games Today:
CZE-LAT: Last chance for both teams. CZE has a better likelihood of qualifying. Both teams will need to win both their remaining games to have any chance of advancing.
FRA-SRB: SRB beat FRA during the preparation phase. Can they do it again here? FRA has been unstoppable so far.
BIH-RUS: Must-win game for both teams.
ITA-LTU: ITA is in danger of not qualifying for the next round after the loss to GRE. A win against BIH is an absolute necessity, but a win against LTU wouldn't hurt either.
ESP-GER: Great game lined up here. I expect ESP to win it, knocking GER from 1st to 3rd place in the standings.
TUR-GRE: Not a key game for either team. TUR is better and should win, although it might not be an easy contest. The key game for GRE will be against RUS. Even if GRE wins this game, they will not finish above 3rd place, as long as TUR beats LTU (assuming that LTU beats ITA today). And for TUR, this game is of no importance. Whether they win or lose, it will be their game against LTU that will determine whether they finish 1st or 2nd (assuming LTU beats ITA). The only way this game matters for TUR is if TUR loses both its remaining games and GRE wins both its games, in which case TUR will finish 3rd. A very unlikely scenario.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-28-2015, 11:56 AM
The bad part of Div B is there are no broadcasts :rolleyes:

Poland, England, Slovenia, Hungary, Sweden, Georgia, Iceland and Israel will compete for qualitying to Div A.
Belgium already lost chances for promotion. Hard to say who is the favourite as groups seem to be uneven. My guess would be it'll be a battle among Poland, Sweden and Slovenia.

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 12:56 PM
LAT crushes CZE. CZE is eliminated. And LAT doesn't have much chance of advancing either. They will need to beat ESP and hope that ESP also loses to GER. Or they will need to beat ESP and hope that SRB loses its two remaining games. In other words, LAT is also eliminated.

SRB destroyed FRA. Simanic in beast mode with 27p, 9r. Stojanovic with 16p, 7a, 7r. The top of the group standings is very contested now.

GER 3-0
FRA 3-1
ESP 2-1
SRB 2-2
LAT 1-3
CZE 0-4

ITA beat LTU and BIH beat RUS. This will make it more difficult for GRE to qualify to the next round. Standings are

TUR 3-0
LTU 3-1
ITA 2-2
BIH 2-2
GRE 1-2
RUS 0-4

RUS is eliminated. IF GRE loses to TUR (likely), then GRE can only qualify if its beats RUS, and ITA loses to BIH (unlikely).

Straight forward
07-28-2015, 05:55 PM
1 loss for Lithuanians. I don't have any faith in Stombergas. To me he seems to be the one who limits this team's potential and it's not the first game I have this impression. I won't go into the details, but just surprised how such a terrific player can be such a bad coach. There's surely must be a reason why Jasikevičius was schooling Štombergas while he was a head coach of Žalgiris. That was pretty ridiculous. However, great game by Sedekerskis, the guy is good and Italian center seem to interesting, No.18 if I'm not wrong?

Joško Poljak Fan
07-28-2015, 06:08 PM
Watched the second half of Lithuania vs. Italy, as ussual I like the Italian guards, Moretti, Cesana, Caroti, they all have good body language, good fundamentals even if I'm not sure they're about to make it at some higher levels. Tote is classical SF that was pushed to PF due to height, his rebounding numbers aren't a coincidence and he does play like a SF around the rim with the pluses and minuses that come along all of that.
There are always some false rumours around, as ussual, few months ago I was told Milano was weighting between Mesiček and La Torre and chose the latter, after seeing him play I realise those were false, as there's probably 2 or more classes of talent difference there. In case those were actualy true, Milano should have a vacant spot in their scouting department if anyone wants to apply. Of course being told about La Torre only in superlatives, i'm dissapointed when realising the reality.

Sederkerskis is obviously the most talented player in both teams, love his fundamentals, doesn't shy away from contact, has the ability to become one of the better SF's in europe and I can see why all those prospect sites are raging about him. Varnas is intriguing, actively seeks for an additional move, which can be a good thing within few years, however I missed him attacking the basket in a more agressive manner on two occasions due to those exact calculations in his head if there is any better move out there, sometimes being dumb pays off compared to playing with his head, than again he seemed to turn his head off in the last few minutes when few PnR's would do the job imo.

Italians got the idea they're at the NBA summer league sometime in the 4th quarter and everybody was trying to show their best as if it mattered and couldve easily lose the game with their individual input, Liths however responded with turnovers and set plays that were disturbed at some point and didn't bring the desired effect.

slice me nice
07-28-2015, 06:13 PM
I like the atmosphere of Turkey-Greece game. The hall shows their hatred towards Turkish players :D Great experience will be for our team. :)

auris1
07-28-2015, 06:15 PM
1 loss for Lithuanians. I don't have any faith in Stombergas. To me he seems to be the one who limits this team's potential and it's not the first game I have this impression. I won't go into the details, but just surprised how such a terrific player can be such a bad coach. There's surely must be a reason why Jasikevičius was schooling Štombergas while he was a head coach of Žalgiris. That was pretty ridiculous. However, great game by Sedekerskis, the guy is good and Italian center seem to interesting, No.18 if I'm not wrong?

I am not sure what are you getting at. If you do not have faith in Stombergas,that is one thing. It would be only fair to say who is that person who should have had been instead of him.
I honestly had no fcking clue why he did things today the way he did. All i know that he is a head coach ,and will remain so until the end of the tournament.

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 06:16 PM
I like the atmosphere of Turkey-Greece game. The hall shows their hatred towards Turkish players :D Great experience will be for our team. :)

Loud speaker is blaring "We Will Rock You" at the moment. Seems overly optimistic to me. :D

carlo
07-28-2015, 06:19 PM
1 loss for Lithuanians. I don't have any faith in Stombergas. To me he seems to be the one who limits this team's potential and it's not the first game I have this impression. I won't go into the details, but just surprised how such a terrific player can be such a bad coach. There's surely must be a reason why Jasikevičius was schooling Štombergas while he was a head coach of Žalgiris. That was pretty ridiculous. However, great game by Sedekerskis, the guy is good and Italian center seem to interesting, No.18 if I'm not wrong?

You probably refer to F/C Totč who had a great game besides #7 Cesana (4/5 threes). Actually a F/PF, Totč is the only high-level big in Italian team, he also played at the U19 WC.

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 06:23 PM
Nice start for GRE. Crowd really into it. But we have started well in many other games and fallen short in the end. Let's see if we can keep this up.

auris1
07-28-2015, 06:36 PM
Nice start for GRE. Crowd really into it. But we have started well in many other games and fallen short in the end. Let's see if we can keep this up.

I feel like I should be supporting Turkey on this one. Just for the sake of Lithuania progressing nicely ,where tomorrow's game vs Turkey for us is just game for first or second place ,not the game for survival.

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 06:45 PM
I feel like I should be supporting Turkey on this one. Just for the sake of Lithuania progressing nicely ,where tomorrow's game vs Turkey for us is just game for first or second place ,not the game for survival.

LTU has already qualified for the QFs.

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 06:52 PM
The assist from Charalampopoulos (with 8:33 left to play in Q2) was the best of the tournament so far. At least from what I've seen. Worth checking out.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-28-2015, 06:56 PM
Charalampopoulos on his way to triple double I presume... 6 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists in 18 minutes

slice me nice
07-28-2015, 06:59 PM
I told you before, just few posts above, this is the first test of Turkish team and we failed.

auris1
07-28-2015, 07:03 PM
LTU has already qualified for the QFs.

Ok,thanks for that. But still, I think you would agree with me that Turkey winning would give us more leverage coming to the final game tomorrow .

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 07:03 PM
Charalampopoulos on his way to triple double I presume... 6 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists in 18 minutes

His 3-pt shot has looked way off today though. He will need to shoot better in the 2nd half if we are to win this game.

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 07:04 PM
Ok,thanks for that. But still, I think you would agree with me that Turkey winning would give us more leverage coming to final game tomorrow .

Yeah, but come on. Root for us anyway. We rooted for you in final of 1995 Eurobasket in Athens. :D

auris1
07-28-2015, 07:05 PM
I told you before, just few posts above, this is the first test of Turkish team and we failed.
Well,hopefully you will fail on your second test as well. Just from Lithuanian fan point of view )

Joško Poljak Fan
07-28-2015, 07:12 PM
His 3-pt shot has looked way off today though. He will need to shoot better in the 2nd half if we are to win this game.
True, but he is nevertheless impressive. One of those shots might go in on the next occasion, however all those passes and read's of the game are priceless for a big man.

auris1
07-28-2015, 07:13 PM
Yeah, but come on. Root for us anyway. We rooted for you in final of 1995 Eurobasket in Athens. :D
Ha. Good one. Look, I love basketball . And I appreciate good one. But there is nothing I like best than Lithuania .
So ,just for tonight, just for one day, I will root for Turkey

slice me nice
07-28-2015, 07:25 PM
Painful game to watch. Better, I should read book :)

KWSN-Men
07-28-2015, 07:28 PM
Charalambopoulos with 15 points, 10 assists and 8 rebounds. He needs 2 rebounds in the 4th.

auris1
07-28-2015, 07:30 PM
Painful game to watch. Better, I should read book :)

I bet it is. Tomorrow is gonna be hard day for each of the teams,especially if Turkey will lose by that much.

auris1
07-28-2015, 07:33 PM
Chris,I need an update since this Greek victory is there. Who needs what ?

slice me nice
07-28-2015, 07:33 PM
I bet it is. Tomorrow is gonna be hard day for each of the teams,especially if Turkey will lose by that much.

The team has no concentration, but if you ask me, we won't lose tomorrow. They know the importance of being first in the group. Tomorrow's game will be great btw, Lithuania has interesting talents that worth to watch.

BiHBasket
07-28-2015, 07:34 PM
So we will play crucial game against Italy where only winner will go in top 8 teams? Sounds exciting:o

KWSN-Men
07-28-2015, 07:43 PM
By the hard way they are fouling, I'm guessing Turkish players did not expect this.

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 07:54 PM
Standings:

Group E:
FRA 3-1: With win against GER they secure 1st place.
ESP 3-1: With win against LAT, they finish 1st if GER beats FRA and 2nd if FRA beats GER. With loss against LAT, ESP finishes 2nd unless GER beats FRA and SRB loses to CZE (in which case ESP finishes 3rd).
GER 3-1: With win against FRA, they will finish 1st if ESP loses to LAT and 2nd if ESP beats LAT. With loss to FRA, they will finish 3rd regardless of other outcomes.
SRB 2-2: Only way for SRB to finish above 4th place is to beat CZE, FRA loses to GER. In this case they will finish 3rd, otherwise they will finish 4th regardless of whether they win against CZE or not.
LAT 1-3: eliminated
CZE 0-4: eliminated.

Group F:
LTU 3-1: A win against TUR secures first place. A loss will lead to 3rd place if GRE and ITA win their games. Otherwise, a loss will lead to 2nd place.
TUR 3-1: A win against LTU secures first place. A loss will lead to 3rd place if GRE wins its game. Otherwise, a loss will lead to 2nd place.
GRE 2-2: If BIH beats ITA, then GRE can advance even if they lose to RUS (in 4th place). If ITA beats BIH, then GRE needs to beat RUS to advance (in 2nd place).
ITA 2-2: Needs to win to advance. If GRE also wins, then ITA will finish 4th. If GRE loses to RUS, then ITA will finish 3rd. If ITA loses, then they will be eliminated regardless of other outcomes.
BIH 2-2: If GRE loses to RUS, then BIH can advance even if they lose to ITA. If GRE beats RUS, then BIH needs to beat ITA to advance (in 4th place).
RUS 0-4: eliminated.

Most likely winners tomorrow are ESP, FRA, SRB, GRE, ITA and LTU (not sure about this one). If these teams win, then QFs will be

FRA-ITA
ESP-TUR
GRE-GER
LTU-SRB

slice me nice
07-28-2015, 08:01 PM
Congratulations Christo :)

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 08:07 PM
Congratulations Christo :)

Thanks. This game was much more crucial for GRE than for TUR and it showed on the court. TUR will bounce back in the next game, I'm sure.

Oly_fan
07-28-2015, 08:11 PM
Charalampopoulos had 3 assists that most point guards could only dream. It's bad pao got him but they should at least play him this season.

CG
07-28-2015, 08:26 PM
Charalampopoulos had 3 assists that most point guards could only dream. It's bad pao got him but they should at least play him this season.
he definitely will

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 08:41 PM
he definitely will

Right now he is the back up PF to Fotsis since Gist is suspended. I don't see Raduljica, Kuzmic or Papagiannis being able to play PF, so the team has only Fotsis and Charalampopoulos in this position until December. So yes, his minutes should be significant this season.

Straight forward
07-28-2015, 08:52 PM
Crappy game for Varnas this time, but the dunk was pretty nice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js7BfUFwIyM

KWSN-Men
07-28-2015, 09:11 PM
Right now he is the back up PF to Fotsis since Gist is suspended. I don't see Raduljica, Kuzmic or Papagiannis being able to play PF, so the team has only Fotsis and Charalampopoulos in this position until December. So yes, his minutes should be significant this season.

Charalambopoulos is too slow to play SF and he has to bulk up to play PF.

Oly_fan
07-28-2015, 09:29 PM
Or he's too tall for any sf and too fast/has too good handles for any pf.

But yes, he can't really play as a power forward against grown men yet.

christodoulou76
07-28-2015, 11:52 PM
Charalambopoulos is too slow to play SF and he has to bulk up to play PF.

OK, but then PAO has no one at PF other than a 34-year old Fotsis. And the sports sites are saying that the team is looking at SGs not PFs for their last signings. So I don't understand how the roster will make sense unless they consider Charalampopoulos a PF.

KWSN-Men
07-29-2015, 04:48 AM
OK, but then PAO has no one at PF other than a 34-year old Fotsis. And the sports sites are saying that the team is looking at SGs not PFs for their last signings. So I don't understand how the roster will make sense unless they consider Charalampopoulos a PF.

Maybe they will play him as PF. But he will have problems.

PAO has only Pappas as a SG who will probably start playing next year.

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 10:39 AM
Starting at the 2:30 mark of this video you can see the sold-out arena for yesterday's TUR-GRE game. A great atmosphere. I wish the camera used by FIBA was on the other side of the stadium so we could see the crowd.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXMgxARlUZ8

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 12:09 PM
BIH is crushing ITA 45-30 at HT. If BIH wins and TUR wins, GRE will finish 4th regardless of the outcome of their game against RUS. If BIH and LTU wins, then GRE will finish 2nd if they beat RUS and 4th if they lose to RUS.

One good thing about BIH and TUR winning will be that GRE can rest its starters since the game against RUS will have no meaning. The bad thing is that it will set up a potential QF match with FRA that destroyed GRE in the preparation phase.

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 01:15 PM
BIH beat ITA. ITA is eliminated. GRE and BIH qualify for QFs.

Final standings will be

1. LTU
2. TUR
3. BIH
4. GRE

If LTU and RUS win.

1. LTU
2. GRE
3. TUR
4. BIH

If LTU and GRE win.

1. TUR
2. LTU
3. BIH
4. GRE

If TUR wins (irrespective of GRE-RUS outcome).

The TUR-LTU match means more to TUR (who could drop to 3rd with a loss, whereas LTU cannot fall below 2nd) so I expect TUR to win.

Italian Pride
07-29-2015, 01:16 PM
Italy the most untalented team of competition!

La Torre and Moretti two joke,overrated players!

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 01:20 PM
Assuming FRA beats GER, SRB beats CZE, ESP beats LAT and TUR beats LTU, the QF matchups will be:

FRA-GRE
TUR-SRB
ESP-BIH
GER-LTU

FRA, ESP are almost certain to advance to semifinals. The other two matches are too close to call.

BiHBasket
07-29-2015, 01:47 PM
All players(even guards) in our team are awful in free throws, today team shoot 44.4% for 1 point, and they still won a game by 13 :rolleyes:

We played without center, power forwards played center position and small forwards played power forward position, and still we had 21 rebounds more than Italy :cool:

As I said, this is a strange team, it's never boring with them.

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 02:40 PM
LAT scores 32 points on ESP in Q2 to take the lead 42-40 at HT. If LAT wins, they are still eliminated and ESP will finish 2nd if FRA beats GER and 3rd if GER beats FRA. If ESP wins, they will finish 1st if GER beats FRA and 2nd if FRA beats GER.

Start of 2nd half of ESP-LAT seems to have been delayed by 30 minutes. Not sure why. Anyone have the info?

Wow. LAT beats ESP in an upset. Now the scenarios of Group E are as follows

1. FRA
2. ESP
3. GER
4. SRB

If FRA wins regardless of SRB outcome.

1. GER
2. ESP
3. SRB
4. FRA

If GER wins and SRB wins.

1. GER
2. FRA
3. ESP
4. SRB

If GER wins and SRB loses.

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 05:19 PM
It turns out there was a power outage for 40 minutes in the area where the LAT-ESP game was being played. This is what caused the delay in the start of the second half. Apparently, the outage was caused by a magpie. ;)

http://www.superbasket.gr/blak-aout-sti-nea-ionia/

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 06:08 PM
Lithuania had some dumb plays at the end, throwing the game away.

Final standings in Group F:
1. TUR
2. LTU
3. BIH
4. GRE
5. ITA
6. RUS

slice me nice
07-29-2015, 06:15 PM
Turkish team is pathetic. It is so obvious, our team lacks a scorer who can help Korkmaz in crucial times. The squad selection is joke. The best player of 97' generation who tags behind Korkmaz is not here, the most scorer player of 98' generation is not here. We lack a second PG in rotation and yes, the second best Turkish PG of this generation is not here also. Not over yet. One of the brightest talents Yesukan Onar and Sarıaslan are not here also. The coach has to explain these things. Never seen such a bad selection and team management in recent years. Everything is weird in team.

saritasbora
07-29-2015, 06:39 PM
Turkish team is pathetic. It is so obvious, our team lacks a scorer who can help Korkmaz in crucial times. The squad selection is joke. The best player of 97' generation who tags behind Korkmaz is not here, the most scorer player of 98' generation is not here. We lack a second PG in rotation and yes, the second best Turkish PG of this generation is not here also. Not over yet. One of the brightest talents Yesukan Onar and Sarıaslan are not here also. The coach has to explain these things. Never seen such a bad selection and team management in recent years. Everything is weird in team.

Despite the missing ones this team has done well so far tbh.
I would rather see what Korkmaz is capable of doing in crucial moments without any help.

Levenspiel
07-29-2015, 06:46 PM
Despite the missing ones this team has done well so far tbh.
I would rather see what Korkmaz is capable of doing in crucial moments without any help.
interesting perspective. i was thinking the other way around and was pissed off a little with Korkmaz because of his hero of the day style, but you have a point. These are the ages and tournaments where the individual talent is more valuable than the team success, and testing Korkmaz could be one objective.

Besides Korkmaz (and Yurtseven), this team has a few not-so-shiny gems as well. Enes has been consistently a good scorer, and he's quite self-confident.

Overall, i think the team was clearly better than Lithuania today, but they played sloppy at times and let the game stay close.

slice me nice
07-29-2015, 06:56 PM
Despite the missing ones this team has done well so far tbh.
I would rather see what Korkmaz is capable of doing in crucial moments without any help.

We have played relatively easy games, that's why they couldn't have satisfied me yet. Korkmaz is already a done deal for us. He doesn't need to prove anything in youth tournaments but in senior level. He needs to focus on individual training since he has already attended a youth tournament which was the highest tier one. He would improve some missing parts of his game at this time instead of playing here. Plus, he will join NT camp immediately afterwards this tournament. No need to tire him much. Also, he is trying too hard in some positions, the team relies upon him too much. Big minus point for team playing. We need to share the ball much more though we have a assist stat in this tournament which are mostly belongs Ömer Utku Al.

With adding Oğuzhan Yarol and Egehan Arna, we would see what was going to happen in team system. Would they be able to be leaders; I think so. Many players would come into prominence. Ege Havsa's contribution would be amazing for this team. We struggle to play set offenses under the pressure and easily go out through undisciplined way of playing. That team sounds more exciting more than team. Too bad, we can't watch the biggest talents of our generation thanks to coach and the staff. I wonder how nobody asked the coach this selection. Nobody doesn't know anything about youth players in federation.

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 07:51 PM
Quarterfinal Matchups:
FRA-GRE
ESP-BIH
GER-LTU
TUR-SRB

I expect FRA and ESP to win by big margins. Other games should be much tighter.

auris1
07-29-2015, 08:23 PM
Quarterfinal Matchups:
FRA-GRE
ESP-BIH
GER-LTU
TUR-SRB

I expect FRA and ESP to win by big margins. Other games should be much tighter.

Well,i have to say that Germany is one team this Lithuanian team can and should handle easily. Or ,for the better than the rest of them.I watched a few German games and they are very beatable. The best option for us

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 08:32 PM
Well,i have to say that Germany is one team this Lithuanian team can and should handle easily. Or ,for the better than the rest of them.I watched a few German games and they are very beatable. The best option for us

Everybody wanted to play GER. Unfortunately, LTU threw the game away against TUR so GRE ended up in 4th instead of 2nd.

Shawshank
07-29-2015, 08:40 PM
Everybody wanted to play GER. Unfortunately, LTU threw the game away against TUR so GRE ended up in 4th instead of 2nd.

Threw away a game? what was the point for Lithuania Threw a way a game today? we didnt know how will end that other group where was needed even +- calculations.Yes we wanted to play germany,but after loosing we were risking getting serbia .We didnt care about what place greece will take ,they are not in our way.Turkey was leading all game,we fought our way back and got 1point lead 1min left to go but didnt manage to finish them,what point was for our boys even do that if we wanted to throw that game away?

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 08:51 PM
Threw away a game? what was the point for Lithuania Threw a way a game today? we didnt know how will end that other group where was needed even +- calculations.Yes we wanted to play germany,but after loosing we were risking getting serbia .We didnt care about what place greece will take ,they are not in our way.Turkey was leading all game,we fought our way back and got 1point lead 1min left to go but didnt manage to finish them,what point was for our boys even do that if we wanted to throw that game away?

You're right. I'm just bitter because we finished 4th and have to play FRA that beat us handily by 15 points in the preparation phase. Good luck against Germany.

auris1
07-29-2015, 09:24 PM
Everybody wanted to play GER. Unfortunately, LTU threw the game away against TUR so GRE ended up in 4th instead of 2nd.

Now now ,Chris ,let s talk things through .
Was Lithuania sure of playing Germany ,after losing to Turkey , before Germany played the last game?
I watched the game, and we're on top by one with just 60 seconds left and with a ball in our possession. One bad pass with a foul against us and the game was over for us. If we were to lose the game,as any Greek would know,there is better way to do it.

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 09:33 PM
Now now ,Chris ,let s talk things through .
Was Lithuania sure of playing Germany ,after losing to Turkey , before Germany played the last game?
I watched the game, and we're on top by one with just 60 seconds left and with a ball in our possession. One bad pass with a foul against us and the game was over for us. If we were to lose the game,as any Greek would know,there is better way to do it.

No, sorry. You misunderstand me. I did not mean that you lost intentionally. Far from it. However, there were a few turnovers in the end that led to the loss. In that sense, sloppy play cost you the game at the end. That is what I meant. Anyway, it worked out great for you. And at the end of the day, if you can't beat the best you don't deserve to advance. So if GRE can't beat FRA, then the team doesn't deserve to go any further.

auris1
07-29-2015, 09:39 PM
No, sorry. You misunderstand me. I did not mean that you lost intentionally. Far from it. However, there were a few turnovers in the end that led to the loss. In that sense, sloppy play cost you the game at the end. That is what I meant. Anyway, it worked out great for you. And at the end of the day, if you can't beat the best you don't deserve to advance. So if GRE can't beat FRA, then the team doesn't deserve to go any further.
Why,I do get you just fine. If I may say so,I kind of grew kind to you as a person who loves bb ,who loves numbers, yet you are very keen on your national team as well. Even when numbers don't match.

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 09:46 PM
Why,I do get you just fine. If I may say so,I kind of grew kind to you as a person who loves bb ,who loves numbers, yet you are very keen on your national team as well. Even when numbers don't match.

I wrote earlier that FRA would beat GRE in the QFs. I placed GRE at a lower level than many Lithuanian posters did on the Eurobasket Power Rankings thread. I also placed GRE far below their final result in the U19 WC (they finished 4th, I had them outside the top 8).

BiHBasket
07-29-2015, 09:51 PM
:)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHLNQkZtCHE

auris1
07-29-2015, 10:00 PM
I wrote earlier that FRA would beat GRE in the QFs. I placed GRE at a lower level than many Lithuanian posters did on the Eurobasket Power Rankings thread. I also placed GRE far below their final result in the U19 WC (they finished 4th, I had them outside the top 8).

You got me wrong again.
I trust you with numbers.
On the other hand your predictions is another thing .

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 10:05 PM
You got me wrong again.
I trust you with numbers.
On the other hand your predictions is another thing .

That's true. My predictions do suck. ;)

Also, the earlier confusion might have stemmed from the similarity between two expressions: 1) throw a game (lose intentionally) and 2) throw away a game (lose a game that you should have won through careless play).

auris1
07-29-2015, 10:09 PM
:)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHLNQkZtCHE

Yes ,I think you are over and ever due for some compliments for your team on this forum.Well done,Bosnia and Hercegovina .
By the tooth and nail end, you managed to get to the second round, where by playing some good basketball you got to the QF round. It is a first time your team got that far, for which I congratulate and salute you . Seriously ,have some beer and be kind for your team.
These moments are rare and to be treasured ,where you can be just happy for your team.

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 10:15 PM
All-Tournament Team Prediction (assuming SRB, FRA, LTU, ESP win QFs)
Martynas Varnas 14.8 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 5.2 apg
Bathiste Tchouaffe 10.7 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.7 apg
Vojislav Stojanovic 13.2 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 6.8 apg
Stephane Gombauld 12.3 ppg, 8.3 ppg
Ramon Vila 12 ppg, 4.5 rpg

Best of the Rest (some players slightly out of position)
Edin Atic
Furkan Korkmaz
Vasilis Charalampopoulos
Ivica Zubac
Milos Popovic

BiHBasket
07-29-2015, 10:17 PM
Yes ,I think you are over and ever due for some compliments for your team on this forum.Well done,Bosnia and Hercegovina .
By the tooth and nail end, you managed to get to the second round, where by playing some good basketball you got to the QF round. It is a first time your team got that far, for which I congratulate and salute you . Seriously ,have some beer and be kind for your team.


Nobody is happier than us, fans of all other teams in quarterfinals have some expectations, while our guys can lose by 30 against Spain and I could not care less, they are in top 8, first time ever, I will watch game against Spain relaxed as much is it possible. No beer though;)

auris1
07-29-2015, 10:30 PM
Nobody is happier than us, fans of all other teams in quarterfinals have some expectations, while our guys can lose by 30 against Spain and I could not care less, they are in top 8, first time ever, I will watch game against Spain relaxed as much is it possible. No beer though;)

You will be watching it wrong

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 10:31 PM
Biggest Upsets of the Tournament so Far (according to bookmakers: http://www.oddsportal.com/basketball/europe/eurobasket-u18/results/)
1. BIH beats GRE
2. GER beats SRB
3. LAT beats ESP
4. SRB beats FRA
5. BIH beats ITA
6. FIN beats MNE
7. MNE beats GER

Dreamcatcher
07-29-2015, 11:10 PM
I'm getting nervous watching Lithuanian games. So many mistakes every time. 19 mistakes 2 times in a row. It was +1 against Turkey in the end and another failure cost the game. It would be Serbia instead of Germany though, but it's another story. Need to carry the fucking ball in play off.

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 11:32 PM
I'm getting nervous watching Lithuanian games. So many mistakes every time. 19 mistakes 2 times in a row. It was +1 against Turkey in the end and another failure cost the game. It would be Serbia instead of Germany though, but it's another story. Need to carry the fucking ball in play off.

And Germany has one of the best defenses in the tournament. (stats don't include yesterday's games)
#7 in points allowed
#8 in steals
#1 in opponents' FG%
#1 in opponents' 2-pt FG %
#6 in blocks
#3 in defensive rebounds
#1 in allowed 2-pt FGs
#3 in allowed FGs

Although it seems they are tougher defensively in the paint than on the perimeter.
#13 in opponents' 3-pt FG%
#15 in allowed 3-pt FGs

thiago94
07-29-2015, 11:36 PM
Biggest Upsets of the Tournament so Far (according to bookmakers: http://www.oddsportal.com/basketball/europe/eurobasket-u18/results/)
1. BIH beats GRE
2. GER beats SRB
3. LAT beats ESP
4. SRB beats FRA
5. BIH beats ITA
6. FIN beats MNE
7. MNE beats GER

Great job as usual, BUT: You rate the German win against Serbian on the second spot - Seriously? Did you see this game or any other game of Germany and can you tell me anything about some players of Germany? Doubtful. We have one of the most talented teams of this tournament, though we have a tremendous lack in the important thinks to be sucessful as a national team: 1)Team effort - they only play for the NBA scouts and take gambling to another level. 2) Basics - they set a new travelling record and they shoot around 53% of the line. 3) Consistency - ONE BIG collapse in every single game, besides the game against Serbia.

But, if our kindergarden put their ego out of the minds for the benefit of the team, we could beat every nation of this tournament. The way we lost against Montenegro, Spain and French was simply terrifying. They have really solid players, though Germany is IMO more talented, but it seems only Kobe does care about the swagger of our NBA prospects without the necessary basics and mindset to be sucessful as a teams. The games against Montenegro, Lativia, Spain and France were a ruthless disclosure of the problems of German basketball in comparison with enthusiastic, traditionell basketball nations.

Lithuania is the favorite in the quarter finals, but I wouldn´t be that suprised, if we beat them. We dominated the game against Serbia and the different level of talent should leap to your eyes pretty fast. You can watch the game relive - I would really suprised, if you rate the serbian players higher than the germans afterwards. Take a look at it and build your picture.

Keep calm @Dreamcatcher! I´m getting crazy watching German games, we a also turnover proven: "Need to carry the fucking ball in play off." Indeed!

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 11:42 PM
QF Matchups Statistically:
FRA-GRE Offense vs. Defense
FRA is #1 in ppg, FG%, 2-pt FG%, #3 in assists, least turnovers, #4 in off rebs
GRE is #1 in points allowed, defensive rebounds, #2 in opp FG%, opp 2-pt FG%, opp 3-pt FG%, allowed FGs, allowed 3-pt FGs

LTU-GER Offense vs. Defense
LTU is #1 in assists, #2 in FG %, FGs made, FTs made, #3 in ppg, #4 in 2-pt FG%
GER is #1 in opp FG%, opp 2-pt FG %, allowed 2-pt FGs, #3 in defensive rebounds, allowed FGs, #6 in blocks

TUR-SRB An Interior Battle
TUR is #2 in 2pt FG% and #15 in 3-pt FG%, #2 in rebounds, #1 in blocks
SRB is #5 in 2-pt FG% and #12 in 3-pt FG%, #3 in rebounds, #3 in blocks
big diffence: TUR is #1 in steals, SRB is #15

ESP-BIH
ESP is better in almost every statistical category compared to BIH. BIH got blown out in a couple of games which hurt their overall stats. But they played well in crucial games, and if they do that again they will have a shot against an inconsistent ESP team. Let's remember that ESP lost to LAT.

christodoulou76
07-29-2015, 11:44 PM
Great job as usual, BUT: You rate the German win against Serbian on the second spot - Seriously? Did you see this game or any other game of Germany and can you tell me anything about some players of Germany? Doubtful.

Look at the link provided in my post. The list is based on the bookmakers' odds not on my opinion.

Shawshank
07-30-2015, 06:16 AM
You're right. I'm just bitter because we finished 4th and have to play FRA that beat us handily by 15 points in the preparation phase. Good luck against Germany.

You boys playing at home,if they play like in second round i feel Greece will have their chances.Playoofs and home court does matter,for younger players even more.

Levenspiel
07-30-2015, 09:30 AM
I'm getting nervous watching Lithuanian games. So many mistakes every time. 19 mistakes 2 times in a row. It was +1 against Turkey in the end and another failure cost the game. It would be Serbia instead of Germany though, but it's another story. Need to carry the fucking ball in play off.


Keep calm @Dreamcatcher! I´m getting crazy watching German games, we a also turnover proven: "Need to carry the fucking ball in play off." Indeed!
That's how you feel when you support one side :). I had the exact opposite feeling that our kids made too many sloppy plays in the end and let the game get close (they lost the lead from +5/+7). Ours could not convert too many easy lay-ups, trying to make fancy assists, etc. It was quite a typical game actually, for a youth tournament, nothing unusual happened.

Victorious
07-30-2015, 10:10 AM
Great job as usual, BUT: You rate the German win against Serbian on the second spot - Seriously? Did you see this game or any other game of Germany and can you tell me anything about some players of Germany? Doubtful. We have one of the most talented teams of this tournament, though we have a tremendous lack in the important thinks to be sucessful as a national team: 1)Team effort - they only play for the NBA scouts and take gambling to another level. 2) Basics - they set a new travelling record and they shoot around 53% of the line. 3) Consistency - ONE BIG collapse in every single game, besides the game against Serbia.

But, if our kindergarden put their ego out of the minds for the benefit of the team, we could beat every nation of this tournament. The way we lost against Montenegro, Spain and French was simply terrifying. They have really solid players, though Germany is IMO more talented, but it seems only Kobe does care about the swagger of our NBA prospects without the necessary basics and mindset to be sucessful as a teams. The games against Montenegro, Lativia, Spain and France were a ruthless disclosure of the problems of German basketball in comparison with enthusiastic, traditionell basketball nations.

Lithuania is the favorite in the quarter finals, but I wouldn´t be that suprised, if we beat them. We dominated the game against Serbia and the different level of talent should leap to your eyes pretty fast. You can watch the game relive - I would really suprised, if you rate the serbian players higher than the germans afterwards. Take a look at it and build your picture.

Keep calm @Dreamcatcher! I´m getting crazy watching German games, we a also turnover proven: "Need to carry the fucking ball in play off." Indeed!

One can clearly see a rise in German basketball. First German basketball teams are making a stand in the Euroleague, being competitive even in the top 16 phase. And now one can see talented German teams in youth levels. Some of these players will accommodate German EL teams a few years from now.

The Netherlands is also having a spur of basketball investment recently. But they are not anywhere near Germany at the moment.

christodoulou76
07-30-2015, 12:22 PM
Betting Odds for QFs: http://www.oddsportal.com/basketball/europe/eurobasket-u18/

ESP massive favorite, then FRA is next biggest favorite, followed by LTU.

BiHBasket
07-30-2015, 12:40 PM
Biggest Upsets of the Tournament so Far (according to bookmakers: http://www.oddsportal.com/basketball/europe/eurobasket-u18/results/)
1. BIH beats GRE
2. GER beats SRB
3. LAT beats ESP
4. SRB beats FRA
5. BIH beats ITA
6. FIN beats MNE
7. MNE beats GER



Betting Odds for QFs: http://www.oddsportal.com/basketball/europe/eurobasket-u18/

ESP massive favorite, then FRA is next biggest favorite, followed by LTU.

On last year Fiba U - 16 BiH won games against Croatia, Greece and Lithuania and I remember that bookmakers didn't gave us almost any chances in those games, now similiar situation with U - 18 team, maybe I should finally try my luck in a game against Spain:p Just kidding, I hate betting, it destroyed many families.

christodoulou76
07-30-2015, 12:52 PM
On last year Fiba U - 16 BiH won games against Croatia, Greece and Lithuania and I remember that bookmakers didn't gave us almost any chances in those games, now similiar situation with U - 18 team, maybe I should finally try my luck in a game against Spain:p Just kidding, I hate betting, it destroyed many families.

I also never bet. It is just interesting to see what the odds are for each game. The victory is much sweeter when you win as an underdog. Good luck to BIH tomorrow. I will be rooting for you.

Mika Hakinen
07-30-2015, 01:52 PM
Bosnia has a chance. Very talented team, no less talented than Spain, but less popular. First in the attack need to go not only Atic, partners should help Edin. Secondly and most importantly to overlap the perimeter of the Spanians, without a wild three-pointers Spanians not to win.

thiago94
07-30-2015, 02:24 PM
Look at the link provided in my post. The list is based on the bookmakers' odds not on my opinion.

Got it. I´m sorry.

christodoulou76
07-30-2015, 03:04 PM
In the game against CZE, Vojislav Stojanovic was the first player to get a triple-double in an U18 Eurobasket since 1994. 15p, 12a, 11r. If SRB beats TUR, Stojanovic is a certain selection on the All-Tournament Team.

http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2015.roundID_11484.gameID_11487-E-9-3.html

christodoulou76
07-30-2015, 03:06 PM
Bosnia has a chance. Very talented team, no less talented than Spain, but less popular. First in the attack need to go not only Atic, partners should help Edin. Secondly and most importantly to overlap the perimeter of the Spanians, without a wild three-pointers Spanians not to win.

The difference is that ESP is deeper than BIH. They have Yusta, Lopez-Arosteguj, Garcia, Barreiro who are top-level players. BIH has only Atic and Aleksic at that level.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-30-2015, 04:10 PM
In the game against CZE, Vojislav Stojanovic was the first player to get a triple-double in an U18 Eurobasket since 1994. 15p, 12a, 11r. If SRB beats TUR, Stojanovic is a certain selection on the All-Tournament Team.

http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2015.roundID_11484.gameID_11487-E-9-3.html
It says 2004, Martynas Andriuskevicius (18+15 reb +10blocks). Big achievement (even if trivial) nevertheless.

I know it's a bit OT but anyway, Lithuanians, what exactly went wrong with his career? injuries?

Mika Hakinen
07-30-2015, 06:22 PM
The difference is that ESP is deeper than BIH. They have Yusta, Lopez-Arosteguj, Garcia, Barreiro who are top-level players. BIH has only Atic and Aleksic at that level.

I dont like Aleksic, too many idiots turnovers for him on this tournament(like backcourt violation 3 times in 1 quarter), i like Amar Gegic, hes 2nd bosnian star, and i think that Nedim Dedovic may play better.

Mika Hakinen
07-30-2015, 06:25 PM
It says 2004, Martynas Andriuskevicius (18+15 reb +10blocks). Big achievement (even if trivial) nevertheless.

I know it's a bit OT but anyway, Lithuanians, what exactly went wrong with his career? injuries?

I know this guy, hes very talented, but injures destroy his career, now he want back on good level, in last season he played very well in Russia 2nd league - Superligue team Temp-SUMZ, best superleague center for me with Pavel Podkolzin.

carlo
07-31-2015, 05:06 AM
Israel, Poland, Slovenia and Sweden are the four semifinalists in Div. B.
TJ Leaf scored 24 (on 12/16 FG) for Israel in yesterday's rout of Georgia, 107-67.

Sf:
Israel-Poland
Slovenia-Sweden

Jon_Koncak
07-31-2015, 09:34 AM
Israel, Poland, Slovenia and Sweden are the four semifinalists in Div. B.
TJ Leaf scored 24 (on 12/16 FG) for Israel in yesterday's rout of Georgia, 107-67.

Sf:
Israel-Poland
Slovenia-Sweden

Tj Leaf took part in USA u19 tryouts this summer.Another Tyler Dorsey case.Gets cut from USA,signs with european NT and dominates.Fun times.

BiHBasket
07-31-2015, 12:18 PM
C'mon referees. Stolen ball by Penava, referee is right beyond him and he gives a ball to Spain because "Penava played with leg" although slow motion show that he didn't. It ended with 2 + 1 for Villa.

I guess huge Spain must play in semifinal and not small Bosnia, but you could say it earlier:)

Mika Hakinen
07-31-2015, 01:19 PM
I told u that Bosnia win if they play smart!:p Only 25% threepointers for Spain.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-31-2015, 01:26 PM
Congrats Bosna, well deserved!
I expected more from both Real's youngsters Yusta and Barreiro this game and to some extent through the championship. I'm suspecting Spaniards have an abundance of offensive talent and these players can't transform in an instance in the roles their team needs them to play, when they're all set together.

Mindozas
07-31-2015, 01:45 PM
It says 2004, Martynas Andriuskevicius (18+15 reb +10blocks). Big achievement (even if trivial) nevertheless.

I know it's a bit OT but anyway, Lithuanians, what exactly went wrong with his career? injuries?

He was cocky and dumb when he was young, felt and acted like a star, moved to NBA too early, even Sabas himself talked to him and persuaded to stay in LT and don't rush the things cause he was clearly not ready, but he didn't listen. Went there, got no playin' time, but got punched in a head instead by some teammate, suffered broken skull, concusion. This way he basically lost 2 years, then moved back to Europe, had couple not bad seasons in ACB with Alicante, but never lived up to expectations, IMO he wasn't that good afterall, too soft

Dreamcatcher
07-31-2015, 03:42 PM
Tj Leaf took part in USA u19 tryouts this summer.Another Tyler Dorsey case.Gets cut from USA,signs with european NT and dominates.Fun times.
This is getting pathetic. Btw, i predicted smth like this 1 or 2 years ago, but was critisized here.

Congrats to Bosnia.