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BiHBasket
02-03-2015, 02:38 PM
It will be held in Italy, 7 - 19 July 2015.

Group A

- Italy

- France

- Bosnia and Herzegovina

- Croatia

- Belgium


Group B

- Greece

- Serbia

- Latvia

- Israel

- Bulgaria

Group C

- Spain

- Poland

- Russia

- Ukraine

- Czech Republic


Group D

- Lithuania

- Turkey

- Slovenia

- Germany

- Great Britian

BiHBasket
02-03-2015, 03:19 PM
I hope that our team will not be relegated in division B.

I'm not afraid about our U16 team, they are good.

I have a little fear about U18 team that they can be relegated, they aren't bad at all, but they are in group of death on this year Championship, with Greece(hosts), Lithuania and Croatia.


But this U20 team, it would be amazing success if they just menage to stay in division A.

Why?

Well, because three ours most talanted players of this generation probably will not play:

- Emir Sulejmanović(1995, Barcelona)

He played for U16 team of Finland where his family emigrated, and because of that FIBA still does not allow him to play for Bosnia and Herzegovina.

- Samir Šehić(1996, Vanderbilt University)

Those players from USA, they just never come to play European Championships, from the early ages.

- Kenan Karahodžić(1996, Unicaja Malaga)

Born and raised in Serbia. FIBA still doesn't allow him to play for Bosnia and Herzegovina.




So I guess our team will be leaded by Buza(SG/SF), Polutak(C), and Lazić(SF/PF), not sure at all will it be enough for a goal to keep division A status


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0aUyvc515w

Srle
03-13-2015, 12:33 AM
PG: Ognjen Jaramaz, Radovan Djokovic, Aleksa Nikolic
SG: Marko Guduric,Brano Djukanovic,Stefan Ljubenkovic
SF: Rade Zagorac ,Stefan Lazarevic(Dejan Davidovac)
PF: Marko Tejic,Nikola Jokic
C: Dusan Ristic,Djoko Salic (Dragan Apic)

slice me nice
05-05-2015, 05:51 PM
The U20 Turkish roster:
Cedi Osman, Emircan Koşut - Anadolu Efes
Gökhan Aydın - Best Balıkesir
Kenan Sipahi - Fenerbahçe Ülker
Hüseyin Akın Kandemir - FMV Işık Spor
Göktürk Gökalp Ural - Galatasaray Liv Hospital
Mert Celep - İTÜ ERA
Yiğit Özgür Barışık - Kuşadası Gençlik
Kartal Özmızrak, J.Metecan Birsen - NSK Eskişehir Basket
Hasan Emir Gökalp - Ö.Gelişim Koleji
Berk Demir - Pertevniyal Gençlik
Doğukan Şanlı - Sakarya BŞB
Muhsin Yaşar - Tofaş
Kerem Kanter - Wisconsin University

serbianhoops
05-13-2015, 06:57 PM
PG: Ognjen Jaramaz, Radovan Djokovic, Aleksa Nikolic
SG: Marko Guduric,Brano Djukanovic,Stefan Ljubenkovic
SF: Rade Zagorac ,Stefan Lazarevic(Dejan Davidovac)
PF: Marko Tejic,Nikola Jokic
C: Dusan Ristic,Djoko Salic (Dragan Apic)

Given that the U20 Championship dates overlap with the NBA Las Vegas Summer League, Jokic won't be available.

carlo
05-14-2015, 11:46 AM
Russian preliminary roster:

Guards:
Aleksandr Gavrilov
Vladislav Staratelev
Maksim Kondakov
Nikita Klyundikov
Taras Klyundikov
Dmitry Makeev
Aleksandr Martynov
Kirill Pisklov
Kirill Salmin
Azat Tukmakov
Ivan Ukhov

Forwards:
Aleksandr Antonikovsky
Ivan Viktorov
Aleksandr Gankevich
Mikhail Malejko
Roman Grushchenko
Aleksey Zherdev
Sergey Zhulkov
Maksim Knyazev

Centers:
Rodion Ardislamov
Konstantin Kulikov
Ilya Popov

Martynov and Staratelev should be the top players. Missing prospects from previous junior teams, SG Vyacheslav Fedorchenko (retired after tearing ACL for the second time) and F/C Ilya Karpenkov.

carlo
06-11-2015, 12:02 PM
Serbia prelim roster of 24:

Nikola Rebić,
Marko Tejić,
Đorđe Kaplanović,
Ognjen Jaramaz,
Rade Zagorac,
Andrija Simović,
Milenko Veljković,
Nikola Jokić,
Marko Gudurić,
Dejan Davidovac,
Dragan Apić,
Matija Milin,
Aleksandar Bursać,
Petar Rakićević,
Luka Vuksanović,
Božidar Babović,
Miroslav Pašajlić,
Miloš Koprivica,
Andreja Stevanović,
Đoko Šalić,
Stefan Ljubenković,
Andrija Šarenac,
Vasilije Pušica,
Aleksa Jugović

The last three play in USA. Prep games are planned with WUG team and Russia U20, then Serbian squad will participate in Turkey tournament 24-28 June.

Mindozas
06-11-2015, 12:25 PM
Lithuania

Paulius Valinskas 1995 191 “Žalgiris 2” (Kaunas)
Lukas Grabauskas 1995 194 “Petrochema” (Jonava)
Ričardas Verbickas 1995 189 “Petrochema” (Jonava)
Karolis Sarukas 1995 197 “Petrochema” (Jonava)
Norbertas Giga 1995 212 Talahasio koledžas (JAV)
Ernestas Serkevičius 1995 183 “Dzūkija” (Alytus)
Deividas Kumelis 1995 187 “Ežerūnas” (Molėtai)
Edvinas Šeškus 1995 193 “Lietuvos rytas” (Vilnius)
Laimonas Chatkevičius 1995 205 Vinsenzo universitetas (JAV)
Lukas Aukštikalnis 1995 195 “Lietkabelis” (Panevėžys)
Tautvydas Kliučinykas 1995 187 “Sūduva-Mantinga” (Marijampolė)
Regimantas Miniotas 1996 207 “Žalgiris 2” (Kaunas)
Martynas Sajus 1996 207 “Žalgiris 2” (Kaunas)
Žydrūnas Jurgutis 1995 180 LCC (Klaipėda)
Erikas Kubilius 1995 194 “Palanga”
Rytis Pipiras 1995 203 “Perlas MRU” (Vilnius)
Mindaugas Sušinskas 1995 204 LCC (Klaipėda)
Gediminas Žalalis 1995 205 “Lietkabelis” (Panevėžys)
Domantas Sabonis 1996 209 Gonzagos universitetas (JAV)

Straight forward
06-11-2015, 02:23 PM
Regarding Lithuania: good chance to see if Šeškus collapsed completely as big time prospect and how strong Sabonis will look there being one year younger than most opponents.

Joško Poljak Fan
06-12-2015, 09:46 AM
B division for us again! yeey :)

Slovenia - Montenegro 85:65 (25:12, 12:17, 24:18, 24:18)
Slovenija: Špan 3, Nikolić 23, Čančar 9, Novak 4, Mesiček 17 (5 rebounds), Šlutej, Šantelj 8, Kosi 2, Zupan, Ritlop 4 (7 rebounds), Barbarič 6, Karavdić 9 (8 rebounds).
Črna Gora: Raičević 2, Krivokapić 2, Milović 3, Šarić 3, Radunović 16 (9 reb), Popović 19, Čvorović 4, Vujović 1, Drašković 4 (5 reb), Bošković, Hadžibegović 7, Knežević 4 (5 reb).

Rebec missing due to knee injury, the players to watch are 97' Olimpija's Čančar & Mesiček and Aleksej Nikolič, which was playing well in Bosnian first league this season. Ritlop (205cm, SF/PF) has the talent to make some heads turn imo, even if the stats won't neccesarily show it. As I got used to by now, no centers whatsoever on sight.

carlo
06-12-2015, 05:29 PM
Italian prelim roster (family name first):

Akele Nicola (DOB 95, 200cm, Fw)
Baldasso Lorenzo (95, 190, G)
Basile Giuseppe Nicolo’ (95, 189, PG)
Cappelletti Alessandro (95, 182, PG)
Flaccadori Diego (96, 192, G)
Fontecchio Simone (95, 200, Fw)
Galli Milo (95, 192, G)
Gloria Mirko (95, 205, C)
Laquintana Tommaso (95, 183, PG)
Marini Leonardo (95, 207, C)
Merlati Andrea (95, 205, F/C)
Matrone Ferdinando (95, 202, F/C)
Mazzantini Saverio (95, 191, G)
Spatti Alessandro (95, 205, C)
Vencato Luca (95, 195, G)
Zilli Giacomo (95, 204, C)

Flaccadori is in the U19 WC prelim roster as well.
Italy will play a tournament June 19-21 in Roseto degli Abruzzi vs Poland, Turkey and Israel.

carlo
06-13-2015, 07:23 AM
Spain prelim roster:

Guards
Francisco Alonso,
Alberto Martín,
Aitor Zubizarreta

Forwards
Alberto Abalde,
Marc García,
Gerard Gomila,
Juancho Hernangómez,
Ander Martínez,
Xavier Moix,
Agustí Sans

Centers
Ilmane Diop,
Rubén Guerrero,
David Iriarte,
José Ignacio Nogués,
Marcos Portález,
Yankuba Sima

Alonso, Marc Garcia and Sima are also in the U19 WC prelim roster.

Alonso (HS 2015), Guerrero (South Florida 2018) and Zubizarreta (U. of Portland 2017) played last season in USA.

carlo
06-13-2015, 12:37 PM
Czech Republic prelim roster:

Jiří Dedek, 190cm, DOB 1995
Roztislav Dragoun, 192, 1996
Jakub Jokl, 206 1996
Matouš Kainc, 185, 1996
Radovan Kouřil, 184 1995
Jan Kozina, 183, 1995
Filip Kroutil, 185, 1996
Jan Leczo, 187, 1995
Adam Pecháček, 207, 1995
David Pekárek, 199, 1996
Martin Peterka, 203, 1995
Josef Potoček, 196, 1996
Viktor Pulpán, 190 1996
Radek Pumprla, 185 1995
Marek Sehnal, 195, 1996
Prokop Slanina, 207, 1995
Lukáš Stegbauer, 198, 1995
Matěj Svoboda, 200, 1996
David Škranc, 196, 1996
Petr Šlechta, 192, 1995
Tomáš Šoukal, 202, 1995
Jiří Šoula, 185, 1995
Jan Štěrba, 200, 1995
Michal Weiss, 199, 1996

Czech men have played four prep games so far, losing the first one vs touring La Salle University (USA NCAA) 94-74, winning twice with Slovakia U20 (100-76 and 100-71) and surprisingly vs Lithuania U20 in a game played yesterday in Kaunas, 85-81.
Dragoun, Svoboda, Peterka and Kouril best scorers so far.
CZE will meet again LTU twice in the weekend.

vaslover
06-13-2015, 04:42 PM
Italian prelim roster (family name first):

Akele Nicola (DOB 95, 200cm, Fw)
Baldasso Lorenzo (95, 190, G)
Basile Giuseppe Nicolo’ (95, 189, PG)
Cappelletti Alessandro (95, 182, PG)
Flaccadori Diego (96, 192, G)
Fontecchio Simone (95, 200, Fw)
Galli Milo (95, 192, G)
Gloria Mirko (95, 205, C)
Laquintana Tommaso (95, 183, PG)
Marini Leonardo (95, 207, C)
Merlati Andrea (95, 205, F/C)
Matrone Ferdinando (95, 202, F/C)
Mazzantini Saverio (95, 191, G)
Spatti Alessandro (95, 205, C)
Vencato Luca (95, 195, G)
Zilli Giacomo (95, 204, C)

Flaccadori is in the U19 WC prelim roster as well.
Italy will play a tournament June 19-21 in Roseto degli Abruzzi vs Poland, Turkey and Israel.

Where is Federico Mussini? I know that he got injury against Umana Venezia. So, this injury is the cause of his absense in the Italian prelim roster?

Italian Pride
06-13-2015, 06:47 PM
Where is Federico Mussini? I know that he got injury against Umana Venezia. So, this injury is the cause of his absense in the Italian prelim roster?

unfortunately yes :(

vaslover
06-13-2015, 07:49 PM
unfortunately yes :(
Really pity. Great talent indeed. I like his quickness,ball handling,explosiveness. He,s a bit skinny, thats why i,m uncertain about his NBA future, but in euroleague one day he has chances to be a very solid player. I wish him all the best.

carlo
06-13-2015, 08:51 PM
Where is Federico Mussini? I know that he got injury against Umana Venezia. So, this injury is the cause of his absense in the Italian prelim roster?

Injured to ankle ligaments, he's out for at least three weeks, then will be re-evaluated. Even more important than U20, this means he's lost for the U19 WC.

http://www.sportando.com/it/italia/serie-a/163154/reggio-emilia-stagione-finita-per-federico-mussini.html

carlo
06-13-2015, 09:28 PM
Czech team beat again Lithuanian peers 67-64, behind Kouril 15 pts, followed by Svoboda with 10 and Peterka 9. For LTU, Sabonis 18 and Sajus 9.

Czech U20 will next meet Lithuanian WUG team.

Dreamcatcher
06-14-2015, 01:02 AM
Regarding Lithuania: good chance to see if Šeškus collapsed completely as big time prospect and how strong Sabonis will look there being one year younger than most opponents.

I don't think Seskus was a big time prospect. Anyway, i rate Valinskas highier than him now.

carlo
06-14-2015, 03:57 PM
Great Britain prelim roster:

Kavell Bigby-Williams (Gilette College, USA);
Jules Dang Akodo (Fraport Skyliners Frankfurt, GER);
Ajou Deng (St Thomas More Oakdale, USA);
Pharroh Gordon (College of Saint Rose, USA);
Gregor Gray (Team Northumbria/Newcastle Eagles, GBR);
Tyrell Isaacs (London Greenhouse Pioneers, GBR);
Dwayne Lautier-Ogunleye (Bristol Academy Flyers, GBR);
Ben Lawson (Western Kentucky University, USA);
Fraser Malcolm (FSU Selfoss Karfa, ISL);
Luke Mascall-Wright (Ipswich Tomcats, GBR);
Aaron Menzies (Seattle University, USA);
Josh McSwiggan (Loughborough/Leicester Riders, GBR);
Luke Nelson (University of California-Irvine, USA);
Sam Newman (Ipswich Tomcats, GBR);
Tamas Okros (Bristol Academy Flyers, GBR);
Nathan Smith (Medway Park Crusaders, GBR);
Morayo Soluade (Clinicas Rincon/Unicaja Malaga, ESP);
Deane Williams (Bristol Academy Flyers, GBR);
Jordan Williams (KBGO Duva Oostende, BEL)

GBR will compete against GER, LTU, SLO and TUR, a quite challenging group.

Interestingly, with the 2015 format seven teams will drop to Div. B. This means that the two last teams from each Group (eight in total) will battle for one surviving place only!

vaslover
06-14-2015, 06:39 PM
Great Britain prelim roster:

Kavell Bigby-Williams (Gilette College, USA);
Jules Dang Akodo (Fraport Skyliners Frankfurt, GER);
Ajou Deng (St Thomas More Oakdale, USA);
Pharroh Gordon (College of Saint Rose, USA);
Gregor Gray (Team Northumbria/Newcastle Eagles, GBR);
Tyrell Isaacs (London Greenhouse Pioneers, GBR);
Dwayne Lautier-Ogunleye (Bristol Academy Flyers, GBR);
Ben Lawson (Western Kentucky University, USA);
Fraser Malcolm (FSU Selfoss Karfa, ISL);
Luke Mascall-Wright (Ipswich Tomcats, GBR);
Aaron Menzies (Seattle University, USA);
Josh McSwiggan (Loughborough/Leicester Riders, GBR);
Luke Nelson (University of California-Irvine, USA);
Sam Newman (Ipswich Tomcats, GBR);
Tamas Okros (Bristol Academy Flyers, GBR);
Nathan Smith (Medway Park Crusaders, GBR);
Morayo Soluade (Clinicas Rincon/Unicaja Malaga, ESP);
Deane Williams (Bristol Academy Flyers, GBR);
Jordan Williams (KBGO Duva Oostende, BEL)

GBR will compete against GER, LTU, SLO and TUR, a quite challenging group.

Interestingly, with the 2015 format seven teams will drop to Div. B. This means that the two last teams from each Group (eight in total) will battle for one surviving place only!

Seems like new Luol (Ajou) Deng will come....:)

carlo
06-14-2015, 07:56 PM
Seems like new Luol (Ajou) Deng will come....:)

He's Luol Ajou Deng (and Ajou Ajou Deng) younger brother!

BiHBasket
06-14-2015, 11:25 PM
I saw ours prelim roster.

Most interesting PG is Gačić, hyped as next big thing couple of years ago...but injuries slow him down...

About SG/SF, Buza should be dominant force on this level. Name Nedim Buza can be found in the top of most lists of most talented players in Europe born in 1995, and I want to see why. As for others on this position, Lakić was always that player that nobody talks about but he always do his job right.

As for PF, I guess that would be Lazić(204 cm). He is actually athletic(and I mean really athletic, dunking monster) small forward, but for some reason he always played power forward in national team, I guess his lack of shooting have something with that.

On center position, I think we are not bad at all, both Polutak and Lončar are decent centers. And I'm always calm when my team have decent centers, that can't go wrong.

Our ambitions are just to stay in division A;)

And thank you FIBA for not allowing to Bosnians Emir Sulejmanović and Kenan Karahodžić to play for Bosnia U20, but at same time it's perfectly fine that Uzbeks, Bosnians, Albanians...all are free to play for Turkey:)

Dreamcatcher
06-14-2015, 11:45 PM
Great Britain prelim roster:

Kavell Bigby-Williams (Gilette College, USA);
Jules Dang Akodo (Fraport Skyliners Frankfurt, GER);
Ajou Deng (St Thomas More Oakdale, USA);
Pharroh Gordon (College of Saint Rose, USA);
Gregor Gray (Team Northumbria/Newcastle Eagles, GBR);
Tyrell Isaacs (London Greenhouse Pioneers, GBR);
Dwayne Lautier-Ogunleye (Bristol Academy Flyers, GBR);
Ben Lawson (Western Kentucky University, USA);
Fraser Malcolm (FSU Selfoss Karfa, ISL);
Luke Mascall-Wright (Ipswich Tomcats, GBR);
Aaron Menzies (Seattle University, USA);
Josh McSwiggan (Loughborough/Leicester Riders, GBR);
Luke Nelson (University of California-Irvine, USA);
Sam Newman (Ipswich Tomcats, GBR);
Tamas Okros (Bristol Academy Flyers, GBR);
Nathan Smith (Medway Park Crusaders, GBR);
Morayo Soluade (Clinicas Rincon/Unicaja Malaga, ESP);
Deane Williams (Bristol Academy Flyers, GBR);
Jordan Williams (KBGO Duva Oostende, BEL)

GBR will compete against GER, LTU, SLO and TUR, a quite challenging group.

Interestingly, with the 2015 format seven teams will drop to Div. B. This means that the two last teams from each Group (eight in total) will battle for one surviving place only!

They decided to return an old format with 4 teams in each group?

carlo
06-15-2015, 07:48 AM
They decided to return an old format with 4 teams in each group?

Probably yes, though I couldn't see this year's Div B competition system yet.

carlo
06-18-2015, 02:11 PM
Russian team:

Aleksandr Gavrilov
Maksim Kondakov
Aleksandr Martynov
Azat Tukmakov
Ivan Ukhov
Aleksandr Antonikovsky
Maksim Knyazev
Aleksandr Gankevich
Mikhail Maleyko
Sergey Zhulkov
Konstantin Kulikov
Ilya Popov

Russian squad will play two friendlies with U20 Serbia in Vrsac.

Joško Poljak Fan
06-18-2015, 05:24 PM
Slovenia played 3 games in La Temple sur Lot tournament

butchered by France 42-92 (http://www.kzs.si/fileadmin/user_upload/fotogalerije/galerija_kzs/_vse_galerije/001_razno/16_06_2015_U20_SLOVENIJA_FRANCIJA.JPG)
loss vs. Greece 74-67 (http://www.kzs.si/fileadmin/user_upload/fotogalerije/galerija_kzs/_vse_galerije/001_razno/17_06_2015_U20_slovenija_grcija.jpg)
win vs. Germany 56-66 (http://www.kzs.si/fileadmin/user_upload/fotogalerije/galerija_kzs/_vse_galerije/001_razno/18_06_2015_ru20_slovenija_nemcija.jpg)

Kokol and Nikolič missing on the top of Kavaš that obviously will ignore the U20 just like his older brother did and go to some NCAA div II team, which is a terrible waste considering both were considered among the best players we had in their 92 and 96 generations.
Other teams must've missed some players as well, even if I do consider Mesiček as an enormous talent, I'd be surprised if this was his actual level vs. 2 years older players, simmilary as with Čančar.

carlo
06-18-2015, 07:41 PM
In Dubrovnik tournament, Croatia edged Montenegro 61-55

For Croatia: Ćorić 14, Perić and Bačak 10, Španja 9, Bošnjak 7
Montenegro: Krivokapić 17, Bačović 13, Ilić 6

BiHBasket
06-19-2015, 04:23 PM
Our team will play 4 friendly games:

- game versus Slovenia, 23 Juny

- two games versus Montenegro, 27 and 28 Juny

- game versus Serbia, 3 July

Lazić was among first players to be kicked from roster, I don't understand that decision, now there are 16 players left.

carlo
06-19-2015, 09:03 PM
Serbia beat Russia in the first of a two-game series in Vrsac, 79-70.

For Serbia, Davidovac 20 pts, Guduric and Jaramaz 15. Russia was topped by Martynov with 16, followed by Zhulkov 13 and Gankevich 11.

Repeat tomorrow.

carlo
06-20-2015, 02:28 PM
France won the Temple-sur-Lot tournament defeating Greece 74-44 in the last day.

French team has in the meantime trimmed to 14 (http://www.ffbb.com/14-joueurs-pour-un-dernier-tournoi-avant-leuro), and will participate in its last prep tournament in Istanbul, June 24-28.

carlo
06-20-2015, 02:40 PM
Italy beat Poland 75-72 on D1 of Roseto tournament, with Laquintana 19 pts and Fontecchio 13. Witlinski (26 pts) and Zolnierewicz (21) best POL scorers.

Israel and Turkey are the other teams participating.


Update: Italy-Turkey today at 9.00PM (CEST), live streaming at http://www.fip.it/default.asp

slice me nice
06-20-2015, 08:53 PM
Superb game between two teams. Turkey beat Italy 78-77. Flaccadori and Özmızrak were impressive. Kartal Özmızrak played like Spanoulis. He will draw attention of people after the tournament. He has really improved himself.

pohani komarac
06-21-2015, 10:54 AM
Croatia as usual cripled at U-20 championship. No Hezonja, Marinelli, Basic, Arapovic, Bozic

c-myers
06-21-2015, 03:21 PM
Croatia as usual cripled at U-20 championship. No Hezonja, Marinelli, Basic, Arapovic, Bozic

Where is Ivan Bender? As far I know he is big bro of Dragan he was good prospect. I had a chance to watch him a few years ago there was some rumors those days about him to join a ncaa team but I don't how is end up I couldn't follow exactly.

slice me nice
06-21-2015, 05:04 PM
Turkey finished the Italian tournament first even though we fell down to Poland 64-76. I watched all three games and I am not so positive about this team. It will be so hard to defend the title. We lack quality center for sure. Maybe Koşut will clear the rotation up. I also wait Cedi Osman to join the team after the drafts.

pohani komarac
06-21-2015, 07:03 PM
Where is Ivan Bender? As far I know he is big bro of Dragan he was good prospect. I had a chance to watch him a few years ago there was some rumors those days about him to join a ncaa team but I don't how is end up I couldn't follow exactly.

He didn't play since last U-19 injury. He joined Maryland and is expected to play next season. He was defentley promising PF, hope he can recover

carlo
06-22-2015, 05:45 AM
Turkey finished the Italian tournament first even though we fell down to Poland 64-76. I watched all three games and I am not so positive about this team. It will be so hard to defend the title. We lack quality center for sure. Maybe Koşut will clear the rotation up. I also wait Cedi Osman to join the team after the drafts.

In the same tournament, Italy lost to strong Israel team, that led all-over the game, 81-69. Spissu 15 pts, Laquintana 14 and Akele 10 topped Italian team. Flaccadori, the best Italian talent seen here, dnp (hope he joins U19 WC squad).


Edit: Final standing: 1. TUR (2-1), 2. ISR (2-1), 3. ITA (1-2), 4. POL (1-2)

carlo
06-22-2015, 06:08 AM
Lithuania hosted Latvia in Vilnius for a friendly and won 63-50. Domantas Sabonis 19 pts + 13 reb, Rolands Smits 15 pts for Latvia.

slice me nice
06-22-2015, 06:34 PM
The tournament format is terrible. 7 teams will relegate to B division. What a frivolous decision is this.

slice me nice
06-24-2015, 07:38 PM
Turkey beat Russia with 75-72 in Turgut Atakol tournament. I watched the game and not a good performance from Turkey. So many easy mistakes for this level. Only the positive things about game are the performance of Özmızrak and block party of Koşut(8 blocks). This team should play better. They still have time and I hope they will develop the cohesion in team.

carlo
06-24-2015, 07:46 PM
D1 Turgut Atakol tournament:

France-Germany 55-47 (Bouteille 15)
Lithuania-Greece 68-51 (Miniotas, Seskus 14 - Christodoulou 14)
Serbia-Ukraine 81-71 (Rabic, Zagorac 14 - Dziuba 12)
Turkey-Russia 75-72 (Ozmizrak 14 - Martynov 16)

LuDux
06-24-2015, 09:09 PM
D1 Turgut Atakol tournament:


Lithuania-Greece 68-51 (Miniotas, Seskus 14 - Christodoulou 14)


Boxscore:
http://www.musukrepsinis.lt/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/GRE-LTU.jpg

carlo
06-24-2015, 09:20 PM
Boxscore:
http://www.musukrepsinis.lt/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/GRE-LTU.jpg

I've read that Sabonis is in USA and will join the team later on.

carlo
06-25-2015, 09:46 PM
France, Serbia and Turkey still unbeaten at Turkish tournament.

carlo
06-26-2015, 09:07 PM
Serbia dominated Turkey 95-61 (Tejic 17, Apic and Rebic 15), and France did the same with Greece, 78-46 (Bouteille and Luwawu 17, Rozenfeld 13).

Both teams are now 3-0.

c-myers
06-27-2015, 06:42 AM
Serbia crushed us yesterday without '96 born players and Cedi, Sipahi we are not strong contender despite lack of their top player Rade Zagorac Serbia impressed me a lot they are clear favourite to title.

carlo
06-27-2015, 07:17 AM
Other tournaments' results:

Slovenia beat Croatia 83-65 in Domegge di Cadore (Ita). Mesicek top scored Slovenian team with 22 pts.

Spain beat Belgium 82-70 at Platja d'Aro (Esp) with 22 pts from J. Hernangomez

Joško Poljak Fan
06-27-2015, 09:27 AM
boxscore Slovenia Croatia (http://www.kzs.si/fileadmin/user_upload/fotogalerije/galerija_kzs/_vse_galerije/001_razno/26_06_2015_slou20_hrvu20.JPG)
even if 5/15FG isn't really great Mesiček has been really outstanding so far, am slowely starting to realise why they've got him into U20 instead of U18 NT. His increased reliability from 3point range does wonder there.

By the results seen so far France and Serbia seem incredibly strong. I suspect France again has those athletic, physical defenses opponents just won't be able to cope with.

carlo
06-27-2015, 09:01 PM
The final at Turgut Atakol tournament will be France-Serbia, the only two undefeated teams.
Today France beat Turkey and Serbia edged Lithuania.

carlo
06-27-2015, 09:16 PM
Czech Republic yesterday beat host Italy at Domegge tournment, 112-108 after 2OT.

Today Italy beat Croatia 75-62 (Fontecchio 18 pts) and Czech Republic routed Slovenia 92-60.

carlo
06-28-2015, 06:02 PM
Spain won the Platja d'Aro tournament, beating Belgium, Poland and finally Great Britain, 76-61.

Box Score (http://www.feb.es/Documentos/Archivo/Upload/U20MESPGBRE.jpg)

Juancho Hernangomez topped Spain in all three games-

carlo
06-28-2015, 07:58 PM
Serbia won the Turgut Atakol tournament downing France 81-77.

Guduric (21 pts) and Yabusele (18) top scored their respective teams. French roster looking short on players in this latest game.

Lithuania finished 3rd beating Turkey 66-58.

Efesdxb
06-29-2015, 05:46 AM
Under normal circumstances this should be Turkey's best team with 95 & 96 born players. However 96 & 97 born players are at U-19 World Cup.
With addition of Sipahi and Cedi, we will do good but we are not clear favourites.

carlo
06-29-2015, 08:57 PM
Italian team of 13 (family name first):

Akele Nicola, 200 cm, Fw
Basile Nicolo’, 189, PG
Benetti Gabriele, 198, Fw
Cappelletti Alessandro, 182, PG
Fontecchio Simone, 200, Fw
Laquintana Tommaso, 183, PG
Marini Leonardo, 207, C
Merlati Andrea, 205, C
Spatti Alessandro, 205, C
Spissu Marco ,185, PG
Vedovato Jacopo, 205, C
Vencato Luca,195, G
Zilli Giacomo, 204, F/C

All 1995-born.

LuDux
07-02-2015, 06:43 PM
Final Lithuanian roster

Martynas Sajus 1996 207
Domantas Sabonis 1996 209
Regimantas Miniotas 1996 207
Gediminas Žalalis 1995 205
Rytis Pipiras 1995 203
Lukas Aukštikalnis 1995 195
Lukas Grabauskas 1995 194
Edvinas Šeškus 1995 194
Erikas Kubilius 1995 194
Paulius Valinskas 1995 191
Deividas Kumelis 1995 188
Žydrūnas Jurgutis 1995 180

slice me nice
07-02-2015, 06:55 PM
Under normal circumstances this should be Turkey's best team with 95 & 96 born players. However 96 & 97 born players are at U-19 World Cup.
With addition of Sipahi and Cedi, we will do good but we are not clear favourites.

Cedi Osman is doubtful, Kenan Sipahi won't join certainly, none of the 96' born players won't join too. I still expect at least a semi final over here. The results from preparation tournament shouldn't mislead us.

carlo
07-04-2015, 05:44 AM
Lithuania vs Latvia 80-54, behind Sabonis 18 pts, followed by Sajus with 14 and Valinskas 10. Lithuanian team dominated the rebounding battle 43-27.

slice me nice
07-05-2015, 08:25 AM
Cedi Osman and Kenan Sipahi are out of roster for certain. Ulubay, Geçim, Arar, Uğurlu and Özdemiroğlu will fly to Italy from Greece for joining the U20 team tomorrow. So some of the 96' born guys will attend the tournament. I wish Osman would be here too. Anyway, competitive team.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-05-2015, 09:19 AM
Slovenian U20 determined

Jure Špan, 182cm, PG, 95', Litija
Aleksej Nikolič, 191 cm, PG, 95', Brose
Domen Janc 186 cm, PG, 96', Krka
Vlatko Čančar, 203 cm, SF, 97, Olimpija
Luka Kokol, 192cm, SG, 95', Olimpija
Blaž Mesiček, 197cm, SG, 97', Olimpija
Leon Šantelj, 205 cm, PF, 95', Helios
Matic Grušovnik 198 cm, SF, 95', Rogaška
Jan Kosi, 204 cm, PF, 95', Elektra
Jure Ritlop, 205 cm, SF/PF, 95', Krka
Jan Barbarič, 188cm, PG, 95', Portorož
Sedin Karavdžić, 202cm, C, 95', Orlandina basket

slice me nice
07-05-2015, 09:21 AM
Slovenian U20 determined

Jure Špan, 182cm, PG, 95', Litija
Aleksej Nikolič, 191 cm, PG, 95', Brose
Domen Janc 186 cm, PG, 96', Krka
Vlatko Čančar, 203 cm, SF, 97, Olimpija
Luka Kokol, 192cm, SG, 95', Olimpija
Blaž Mesiček, 197cm, SG, 97', Olimpija
Leon Šantelj, 205 cm, PF, 95', Helios
Matic Grušovnik 198 cm, SF, 95', Rogaška
Jan Kosi, 204 cm, PF, 95', Elektra
Jure Ritlop, 205 cm, SF/PF, 95', Krka
Jan Barbarič, 188cm, PG, 95', Portorož
Sedin Karavdžić, 202cm, C, 95', Orlandina basket

Isn't there any center in Slovenia? Aleksej Nikolic worths to watch. One of my favourite players in this tournament.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-05-2015, 01:06 PM
Isn't there any center in Slovenia? Aleksej Nikolic worths to watch. One of my favourite players in this tournament.
Nope. I haven't paid attention to what happened with Dolenšek (207cm), he is missing, other than that, considering the PG, SG, SF production we're having that should end up pretty decent, lack of anyone remotely capable on PF, C will hurt us real bad on the senior level in the future.

The results of junior teams are logical than, no matter the perimeter players, losing games even against really inferior guards comes naturaly when you can't cover the paint properly and that's why just staying in A division would be a really good achievement. Which nevertheless is kind of funny considering 95' used to be considered as one of the better classes we had recently (with Rebec, Kavaš, Zatezič included along with Nikolič and Ritlop)

Italian Pride
07-05-2015, 02:17 PM
Cappelletti Alessandro (95, 182, Playmaker)
Ion Lupusor (96, 202, Ala)
Laquintana Tommaso (95, 183, Playmaker)
Spatti Alessandro (95, 205, Centro)
Spissu Marco (95, 185, Playmaker)
Vencato Luca (95, 195, Guardia)
Flaccadori Diego (96, 192, Guardia)
Fontecchio Simone (95, 200, Ala)
Akele Nicola (95, 200, Ala)
Benetti Gabriele (95, 198, Ala)
Zilli Giacomo (95, 204, Centro)
Vedovato Jacopo (95, 205, Centro)

good team,not really talented,with three stars: Fontecchio the best player of his age in Italy (next nba material IMO),Flaccadori one of the best player in world under 19 championship and Laquintana are the the stars of this team!

frontocurt is lightly,but Vedovato is a very good rebounder and Zilli played in Ncaa in the last years so in Italy we are very cuorious to see him play!

most probably we 'll go out in the first stage,but if we overcome the first group we could also arrive at the bottom!

Giorgos Alexopoulos
07-05-2015, 05:19 PM
who are the best talents of the tournament?for example the top-10

BiHBasket
07-05-2015, 06:31 PM
Bosnia and Herzegovina final 12:

PG - Adi Zahiragić (95, 187 cm, SPARS Sarajevo), Ivo Garić (96, 195 cm, Bayern Munchen II)

PG/SG - Sandro Gačić (96, 200 cm, Albacete)

SG - Milan Lužaić (96, 191 cm, Leotar), Dejan Ivković (95, 196 cm, Hercegovac)

SG/SF - Nedim Buza (95, 201 cm, Oostende), Stefan Lakić (95, 195 cm, Varda)

SF/PF - Davor Karamatić (95, 201 cm, White Wings Hanau)

PF - Srđan Milanović (95, 204 cm, Leotar)

C - Imran Polutak (96, 209 cm, Krka), Markus Lončar (96, 212 cm, Mladost Zagreb), Nedim Tunović (95, 208 cm, Bosna Royal)



They lost all friendly games(against Slovenia, two games against Montenegro, against Serbia):mad:

slice me nice
07-06-2015, 05:47 PM
The tournament will be starting tomorrow. Turkish final roster,

PG: Kartal Özmızrak(Beşiktaş), Berk Uğurlu(Fenerbahçe), Doğuş Özdemiroğlu(Darüşşafaka)
SG: Doğukan Şanlı(Beşiktaş),
SF: Okben Ulubay(Anadolu Efes), Tolga Geçim(Banvit), Metecan Birsen(Fenerbahçe)
PF: Berk Demir(Pertevniyal), Ege Arar(Galatasaray), Mert Celep(Karşıyaka)
C: Emircan Koşut(Anadolu Efes), Muhsin Yaşar(Tofaş)

Weird roster without SG rotation. Okben and Kartal can play in this position but I would like to see one more player in this position. Let's see how it will turn to us. Good luck guys. Don't forget, we expect a medal here.

Picek
07-06-2015, 06:53 PM
croatian team

PG J. Boban, G. Filipović, J. Gulam
SG D. Bošnjak, L. Božić,
SF A. Čorić, J. Perić
PF T. Gabrić,
C M. Baćak, J. Jukić, M. Radunić

coach: D. Milačić

Karlo Žganec missing out on the championship 'cause of injury.
L. Božić and G. Filipović who won silver at U19 WC will join the team.
we will have a hard time.

carlo
07-06-2015, 08:13 PM
Recent friendlies played at Udine tournament:

Spain-Italy 62-51
Spain-France 60-58
France-Italy 61-59

Ander Martinez (ESP) named MVP.

Italy didn't field its definitive roster (Flaccadori still engaged at the U19 WC). Zilli best Italian scorer in the game vs France with 13 pts.

Novajlija
07-06-2015, 09:18 PM
Serbia u20 roster

Božidar Babović (Spartak Subotica),
Ognjen Jaramaz (Mega Leks),
Rade Zagorac (Mega Leks),
Nikola Rebić (Crvena zvezda Telekom),
Marko Tejić (Crvena zvezda Telekom),
Đorđe Kaplanović (Crvena zvezda Telekom),
Dejan Davidovac (FMP),
Marko Gudurić (FMP),
Dragan Apić (FMP)
Aleksandar Bursać (Vojvodina Srbijagas),
Petar Rakićević (Metalac Valjevo) i
Đoko Šalić (Spars, BIH)

Few words about some imp pieces in our squad: Rebic Tejic Kaplanovic coming from Red Star Belgrade but they did not had imp role in last season except maybe Tejic but just being in squad gave them for sure positive boost which we saw in preparation matches (Rebic specially) Should pay attention to Zagorac who have nice moments in ABA league playing for Mega Leks; player who can cover few positions in team w/o big problem.

Srle
07-06-2015, 10:58 PM
Tejic,Guduric and Zagorac are players that I could see playing for the senior national team someday . Maybe Jaramaz too , of course I am expecting a lot from Jokic and Ristic as well.

Dreamcatcher
07-07-2015, 01:10 AM
http://u20men.fibaeurope.com/en/compID_UIfgjyQcGqk-fPlnl66Tj0.season_2015.roundID_11585.teamID_306.pl ayerID_121506.html

Another American suddenly(!) becomes European and youth national team's member. Ugly things are happening in youth basketball.

P.S. I guess his mother is from Israel

Novajlija
07-07-2015, 08:01 AM
Tejic,Guduric and Zagorac are players that I could see playing for the senior national team someday . Maybe Jaramaz too , of course I am expecting a lot from Jokic and Ristic as well.

Pitty Ristic and Jokic are not here
Jokic refused call in A NT due Summer league in USA so why to bother with U20
Ristic seems like book more then sport :)

Levenspiel
07-07-2015, 03:11 PM
just in case you didn't know, Fiba is broadcasting games live on youtube.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-07-2015, 03:48 PM
What the hell are Czech doing. Spain is terrible on the set offenses they've got and Czech keep either going after Hernangomez after a defensive rebound (3 of them actualy), or commiting fouls by pressure near the half court. If they'd let Spain play they'd not only catch them up but easily lead by now :S terrible read of the situation there, repeatedly

Levenspiel
07-07-2015, 04:34 PM
I chose the Latvia-Greece game, expecting a closer game. And it was pretty close all along, until Latvia made a 10-0 run to start the 4th quarter. it was a 19-3 run overall. Latvia moved the ball well, and to my surprise, challenged the loose balls more aggressively, and won most of them. Body language of Greek players did not look very positive since the beginning, I don't know why.

slice me nice
07-07-2015, 05:39 PM
Zone defense from Great Britain during the first half. What a miserable team to watch. They even don't know to get the right position in zone D.

Levenspiel
07-07-2015, 06:27 PM
Zone defense from Great Britain during the first half. What a miserable team to watch. They even don't know to get the right position in zone D.
Still almost winning the game. they had a nice stretch in Q4, with great defense and fastbreaks

Terrible game from Turkey. I don't remember when was the last time I've seen so many unforced turnovers and air balls in one game. Ugly.

Emircan Kosut with 9 blocks so far. I actually counted a few more.



Edit: 59-57. After OT :D.

11 blocks for Kosut.

The 2nd half rebounding must be 10-30 or something for GBR.

slice me nice
07-07-2015, 06:43 PM
Turkey won with the buzzer beater of Tolga Geçim. One of the worst game that I have ever watched. The team cohesion between Turkish players were terrible. They were not concentrated on the game. Terrible start. We even couldn't see the game plan of Turkey due to zone defense but one thing is clear, this team can't play offensive set games against zone defense. No real shooter in team except Şanlı. He disappears in the other dimension of the game tho. The only positive thing is the defence of Koşut. 11 blocks!!

Joško Poljak Fan
07-07-2015, 09:17 PM
Slovenia - Germany 63-68

And here, likely, goes the A division unless we surprise Turkey which is highly unlikely with their inside presence :)
Slovenia was behind 37-57 iirc in 3rd quarter, switched to 2-3 zone and made a 26-6 run, I already thought they were going to make it, but missed 4 3pointers within the last minute and a half.
As expected we were denied an inside game and eventualy relied too much on the long range shooting, apart from that collapse at the start of the 3rd quarter and some missed shots, I don't have much to say against this team.
Nikolič and Mesiček, eventhough they scored 30 points, can do better than this, both shot 7/27 FG, Nikolič had little choice, while Mesiček being 2 years younger did show from time to time while penetrating.

GEORGE_4
07-07-2015, 09:21 PM
What the hell are Czech doing. Spain is terrible on the set offenses they've got and Czech keep either going after Hernangomez after a defensive rebound (3 of them actualy), or commiting fouls by pressure near the half court. If they'd let Spain play they'd not only catch them up but easily lead by now :S terrible read of the situation there, repeatedly

True face of czech basketball now... :(

Levenspiel
07-07-2015, 09:49 PM
There is Kosovo in Division B. This is the first time I see they're competing as an independent country (in any sports event).

Joško Poljak Fan
07-07-2015, 10:01 PM
True face of czech basketball now... :(
Not really familiar with what's going on, but to me judging by that game, Czech team seemed terribly undercoached in some short span I was really disturbed by:
-Hernangomez getting a defensive rebound, both hands on the ball, elbows out, 3 (!) Czech players trying to steal the ball from him at the same time, while already in bonus
-Spanish guards bringing the ball upcourt, within something like 6,7 offenses, Czech guards commited 3 fouls, often before Spaniard even passed the halfcourt, while in bonus
-Pick and roll, guard switches on Pechacek and the ball handler instead of executing a simple triangle (pass to the left and under the rim to exploit the height advantage) makes two steps forward and shoots over the big man instead
-set play only called while bringing the ball in-court and out of 3 times I paid attention to it, ignored twice, the rest of the offense mostly solved through elementary individual effort.

I believe all first 3 instances were in a few minutes span when Czech could have easily take the lead.
Other than that, you've got a physicaly ready team, you can see they're inteligent with their passing flow, just as good technicaly as the Spaniards, just to blow it on those basic small reads of the game.
I'm no fan of that strictest line of Ex-Yu school that overeacts with all the control of the game, or youth coaches demanding understanding of complicated offenses at the U14 level and don't like teams that rely on strict set-play execution every single play with the PG spending more time looking towards the coach than towards the basket, but neglecting it too much - Czech just made it unnecesarily difficult for themselves that way, while the talent obviously is there.

I have to add, that it wouldn't be the first time some team prooved me wrong after watching a single game of theirs, though.

GEORGE_4
07-07-2015, 10:28 PM
Not really familiar with what's going on, but to me judging by that game, Czech team seemed terribly undercoached in some short span I was really disturbed by:
-Hernangomez getting a defensive rebound, both hands on the ball, elbows out, 3 (!) Czech players trying to steal the ball from him at the same time, while already in bonus
-Spanish guards bringing the ball upcourt, within something like 6,7 offenses, Czech guards commited 3 fouls, often before Spaniard even passed the halfcourt, while in bonus
-Pick and roll, guard switches on Pechacek and the ball handler instead of executing a simple triangle (pass to the left and under the rim to exploit the height advantage) makes two steps forward and shoots over the big man instead
-set play only called while bringing the ball in-court and out of 3 times I paid attention to it, ignored twice, the rest of the offense mostly solved through elementary individual effort.

I believe all first 3 instances were in a few minutes span when Czech could have easily take the lead.
Other than that, you've got a physicaly ready team, you can see they're inteligent with their passing flow, just as good technicaly as the Spaniards, just to blow it on those basic small reads of the game.
I'm no fan of that strictest line of Ex-Yu school that overeacts with all the control of the game, or youth coaches demanding understanding of complicated offenses at the U14 level and don't like teams that rely on strict set-play execution every single play with the PG spending more time looking towards the coach than towards the basket, but neglecting it too much - Czech just made it unnecesarily difficult for themselves that way, while the talent obviously is there.

I have to add, that it wouldn't be the first time some team prooved me wrong after watching a single game of theirs, though.

... and that´s one of the biggest problem of czech basketball - players are strictly tied tactically from first steps in their basketball career, the most important thing are results instead improving every part of the game, so later, as almost "complete players", they simply can´t read the situation on the court!!!

Terrorizer
07-07-2015, 11:59 PM
I'm starting to understand why JPF values of Blaz Mesicek so highly. The fact that being two years younger he is able to be a leader at U-20 level is telling for sure. It looks like he is one of the brightest offensive talents to emerge from Slovenia in the recent years. Yet tonight his lack of maturity was evident at some points of the game. Also I'm highly disappointed by the way Nikolic missed just about any shot late in the game (including two free throws). Maybe, he is good enough for Spars but I never quite understood all the buzz about him. In my eyes, Matic Rebec is many levels above Nikolic potential-wise and it seems that Rebec's shoes are too big to fill. It's a real pity that he can't play in this tournament.

Strolling through historic quarters of Moscow city on the nice summer weather for most of the day, I had a chance to watch only Slo - Ger and Ita - Cro out of today's games and, in the end, both leading teams survived the chases even if it seemed that Croatia and Slovenia would steal the win in the end (which would be especially impressive for Slovenia whose points deficit in the second half was just overwhelming). By the way, what was that from Fontechhio? I've seen him numerous times playing for Bologna and he was solid even at the Lega A level but this evening he showed such an abysmal performance - lack of skill, lack of defensive presence, awful shot mechanics and massive stupidity in every decision he took. He looked like one of the very worst players on court. Weird...

Let's see what our boys would be capable of against Spain tomorrow. I have bad presentiment but Russian teams often find their way to surprise you, so the question is would this surprise be positive or negative this time. By the way, I don't think that losing Fedorchenko to injury at such an early age would massively damage our potential. Good coaching and right team chemistry would be more crucial than presence/absence of any individual stars. Ability of our frontcourt to contain physically dominating big guys is what worries me the most though. For example, a pair of Hernangomez - Diop can have quite a feast in the paint tomorrow but I hope that our coaching ensemble (who consist of such a famous figures like head coach Misha Mikhailov and his assistant Sergei Babkov, by the way) would be able to figure it out what to do in order to prevent it.

BiHBasket
07-08-2015, 12:57 AM
Very poor level of basketball. Ours players looked like amateurs, but not just ours.

By the way, on preperation game Montenegro - Bosnia good Montenegrin prospect Aleksa Ilic brooke his hand, so they will play in division B without him.

Picek
07-08-2015, 05:01 AM
in a game which we were not supposed to win we actually should have won it..
Italy closed the game on a 7-0 run and won 53-50.
but all in all it was horrible basketball game. hard to watch.
Filipović and Božić combined for three minutes.
I suppose they willl be rested against France today as well..

Joško Poljak Fan
07-08-2015, 08:22 AM
I'm starting to understand why JPF values of Blaz Mesicek so highly. The fact that being two years younger he is able to be a leader at U-20 level is telling for sure. It looks like he is one of the brightest offensive talents to emerge from Slovenia in the recent years. Yet tonight his lack of maturity was evident at some points of the game. Also I'm highly disappointed by the way Nikolic missed just about any shot late in the game (including two free throws). Maybe, he is good enough for Spars but I never quite understood all the buzz about him. In my eyes, Matic Rebec is many levels above Nikolic potential-wise and it seems that Rebec's shoes are too big to fill. It's a real pity that he can't play in this tournament.


Let's see what our boys would be capable of against Spain tomorrow. I have bad presentiment but Russian teams often find their way to surprise you, so the question is would this surprise be positive or negative this time. By the way, I don't think that losing Fedorchenko to injury at such an early age would massively damage our potential. Good coaching and right team chemistry would be more crucial than presence/absence of any individual stars. Ability of our frontcourt to contain physically dominating big guys is what worries me the most though. For example, a pair of Hernangomez - Diop can have quite a feast in the paint tomorrow but I hope that our coaching ensemble (who consist of such a famous figures like head coach Misha Mikhailov and his assistant Sergei Babkov, by the way) would be able to figure it out what to do in order to prevent it.
I'm surprised you're not bothered by Rebec's unpredictability as that's exactly how Rebec occasionaly could screw up, loads of people I know are. Rebec might have force some additional fouls in this game, the turning point imo was our perimeter succumbing to German defense where they should have been searching for that additional foul over and over again and with afocus on it they would be able to keep doing do so imo, exactly the Rebec type play. Than again a lot of those shots came through inability to play in the paint, settling for a 3 now instead of settling for a 3 later.
Rebec is just friggin special, devilish superstar trapped in a short and a bit fragile body, our own version of Bo McCaleb. I don't like focusing on the players missing or sounding as a parrot repeating this, but I pray to god he'll get back up and that those rumours regarding his knees are overstated.

Mesiček has a long way to go, but getting him into U20 instead of U18 B was imo the right decision. He missed some layups under contact, otherwise he is good with finishing those at the lower levels, broke his own ankles once during the game, dribbled a ball into his leg - I'm positive those aren't that likely to happen again.

I'm not really impressed by Spain, should have waited a bit with judgement imo, but apart from Sanz, their perimeter seems somewhat unimpressive at the first sight. Either that or they were in the shaddow of the gameplan being Hernangomez/Diop orientated vs. Czech.

christodoulou76
07-08-2015, 11:17 AM
Greek team has a goal of not being relegated to Division B, so that the much more talented 97 and 98 generation players (Papagiannis, Charalampopoulos, Koniaris, Lountzis) will be able to compete in Division A next year. In order to achieve this goal, a victory against Bulgaria today is imperative.

haribi
07-08-2015, 12:28 PM
I understand why they're not here but this turkish team with Kenan Sipahi, Cedi Osman, Furkan Korkmaz, Kerem Kanter and Egemen Güven would probably be the top favorites to win gold. I really wanted to see this team at it's full strength

Joško Poljak Fan
07-08-2015, 12:41 PM
Great defensive performance by Russia, 16-6 in the first quarter

Sabonis is dominating vs. Turkey 8 points 3 rebounds, 2 assists in 11 minutes, Kosue once again didn't get the blocked shot he deserved. With that inside presence, we're toasted vs. both teams :)
Judging by the first 15 minutes, these two teams are playing a class or two better than other teams I've seen thus far (Slovenia, Germany, Spain, Czech, Croatia, Italy)
edit: and just when I wrote this both teams answred with loads of To and missed shots :)

haribi
07-08-2015, 12:48 PM
Emircan Kosut seems to have the same problem as Ömer Asik. Catching the ball. I don't know if it's because their hands are small or they have greasy hands but they fumble the ball a lot and have troubles catching it.

Other than that he is our most talented player in this squad and probably the only one with NBA potential

Dreamcatcher
07-08-2015, 01:00 PM
Lithuanian's point guards are extremely bad. They doesn't play basketball professionally actually. It will be hard to stay in A division.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-08-2015, 01:08 PM
And now with some good defensive effort and 3pointers a nice turnaround by Spain leading 31-32 at halftime. That's more like it.

Dreamcatcher
07-08-2015, 01:40 PM
Really pathetic by Lithuania. Some players (at least pg's) should do some other job and play basketball for they joy like all other amateurs.

pohani komarac
07-08-2015, 03:22 PM
this chapionship should not be played anymore. most games look like paraolympic games

Levenspiel
07-08-2015, 04:27 PM
Emircan Kosut seems to have the same problem as Ömer Asik. Catching the ball. I don't know if it's because their hands are small or they have greasy hands but they fumble the ball a lot and have troubles catching it.

Other than that he is our most talented player in this squad and probably the only one with NBA potential
Good observation on Emircan, but he has a much better-looking shot, his mid-range jumper is somewhat reliable. He has to bulk up though, I see no change since he became a prospect years ago; a tall stick running up and down the court, blocking people left and right.

slice me nice
07-08-2015, 06:00 PM
Before making comment on Turkey-Lithuania, I will criticize the organization. Some games have been played in high school basketball court which has not enough ventilation system, therefore players always slide down and this can cause a serious injury. This tournament is supposed to be the second tier tournament of FIBA Europe after the Eurobasket. A little bit more attention please. I like the camera angles and live scores update of FIBA but can't say the same things for the organization. We just had a great organization in Crete so, until now, Italy has failed the class.

Anyway, about the game, we played ok and succeeded to stop their biggest weapon Sabonis. If Sabonis can't score more than 20 points, this team will struggle to get a win. We won this game not because we are strong but because of the weakness of our opponent. There are so many mistakes from us again in the offence and not having a offensive center do harm us during the game. I liked Muhsin Yaşar, he is tough and ideal center for playing P&R games. It seems he has improved himself and has evolved a versatile center both in defense and offense. Emircan Koşut-Ömer Aşık comparison is not a great finding. They are not similar. Yes, sometimes he also reminds me Aşık but Koşut has softer hands and more reliable finisher around the basket if he is free. He is really too thin, I expect a ''Ömer Aşık development'' from him because if he doesn't improve his physical tools, he will chuck himself away which is so sad. When Kartal Özmızrak on the floor, we are playing in organized manner, and share the ball better. He is a really great guard and can't wait him to see in Beşiktaş next season. He just unplugged Lithuania from the game with his consecutive points. Almost every player had contributed something on the floor and that made us relaxed. We should learn to use Metecan Birsen more effectively if we want to achieve something big. Of course he also should realize the importance of himself within the team system. When he is out both physically or mentally, we struggle to widen the game. I also liked Mert Celep who gave a hard time to Sabonis.

I know this team hasn't made a single training together because of the late arrivals and have big problems in communication but we should have performed better in these two games. If we play like this against title contenders, we will fall down easily to them. I couldn't count how many times we made easy mistakes in these two games. Even the position mistakes in offense is a kind of sign, this team needs time. Since there is no game tomorrow for Turkey, they at least can figure out some basic mistakes in set organizations. We should have used Koşut better in offense. Sometimes we forget him. How can you forget this kind of a tall guy :)

Btw, Koşut's 11 blocks against Britain is the new record of tournament history.

auris1
07-08-2015, 06:40 PM
this chapionship should not be played anymore. most games look like paraolympic games

Well,that is a something I do not agree with. Perhaps games are played to the very same level as it used to be ,but because we can watch every single one of them ,well ,that's a bit a disappointment to what one would assume those guys should be playing like. Most players are at the crossroad as well whether or not to pursue this game in the future ,so good tournament might just get them signed somewhere.
2 years ago, in Latvia ? , I really enjoyed that . Let's hope things will get better here. Plus, all that heat in arena . There must be a lack of AC , no less ,maybe that has something to do with quality so far.

slice me nice
07-08-2015, 06:48 PM
Well,that is a something I do not agree with. Perhaps games are played to the very same level as it used to be ,but because we can watch every single one of them ,well ,that's a bit a disappointment to what one would assume those guys should be playing like. Most players are at the crossroad as well whether or not to pursue this game in the future ,so good tournament might just get them signed somewhere.
2 years ago, in Latvia ? , I really enjoyed that . Let's hope things will get better here. Plus, all that heat in arena . There must be a lack of AC , no less ,maybe that has something to do with quality so far.

Two years ago in Latvia? Well that one was the U-18 one :)

Joško Poljak Fan
07-08-2015, 06:54 PM
Won vs Great Britain 80-72. Brits opened the game with a really good long range % (9-13 or so) and dominated the boards sth like 20-11 in the first half.
Lots of unnecesary rookie TO's in the first half and some really terrible execution and shot selection. In the second half it's not that Slovenia would fix that, they just put some additional defensive effort that made the Brits perform worse. I don't think we're about to upset Turkey or Lithuania with such game.
Barbarič (yet another PG) surprised positively with his energy in defense that noticably helped turning the game around. If that's what he is all about, he might make a living out of bball. Nikolič either wants to send Novakovič "somewhere" or didn't have his head on the court in the first half, visibly frustrated. Šantelj obviously screwed up on two occasions, probably some details they had with the coach, yet Novakovič stubbournly sends Karavdžić in game as if whole lineup wasn't screwing up big, that's where we lost the biggest point differential in an incredibly short span of 2-3 minutes.
And I'm ussualy not the guy ranting about coaches :) at least I like to believe it so. But all that rant off the court seems pathetic Novakovič, I've seen you doing better than that. There is a limit and you're no Obradović to extend it.

GBR basicaly lost the game on the traveling violations which makes me remember about the conversation I've once had about the selection process, I was ranting about our coaches not giving enough emphasis on athleticism, while I got a response that the only thing worse than that is when you actualy got some technicaly good players, but those regulary get neglected in their youth career due to someone being 2-3 cm taller and a bit more athletic therefore marked as a better prospect and regulary pushed forward instead of the "technical" guy.

Things went Slovenian way once for a change, we've lost enough of those games, a shot or two going in, or Bigby-Williams not being charged for a foul with that clear block at -6 might've change things.

I'm dissapointed by Deng Akodo, watched him for a long time yet he doesn't seem to be making the progress I expected.
Same story with Ritlop, from what I've seen so far he looks as some slightly worse version of himself from a year ago.


Agreed about the organisation, slice me nice, my thoughts exactly and we're not about to see any better performances this way either.

pohani komarac
07-08-2015, 06:57 PM
Well,that is a something I do not agree with. Perhaps games are played to the very same level as it used to be ,but because we can watch every single one of them ,well ,that's a bit a disappointment to what one would assume those guys should be playing like. Most players are at the crossroad as well whether or not to pursue this game in the future ,so good tournament might just get them signed somewhere.
2 years ago, in Latvia ? , I really enjoyed that . Let's hope things will get better here. Plus, all that heat in arena . There must be a lack of AC , no less ,maybe that has something to do with quality so far.

I don't know, teams play here cripled usually. Most good prospect never play this championship so we see here playing key roles players wich celling is Romanian league

auris1
07-08-2015, 07:10 PM
Two years ago in Latvia? Well that one was the U-18 one :)

My bad,it was in Tallinn. Close enough....But it was Latvians that played well.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-08-2015, 07:11 PM
Most teams have 2-3 players missing, but Romanian league? that's a bit harsh.

pohani komarac
07-08-2015, 07:13 PM
My bad,it was in Tallinn. Close enough....But it was Latvians that played well.

yeah, that was good one. but that's rare

auris1
07-08-2015, 07:29 PM
Most teams have 2-3 players missing, but Romanian league? that's a bit harsh.

What is wrong with Romanian league? As long as a player can get signed professionally well,then they are onto something at this age.
If you look at Lithuanian roster,bar Sabonis ,all of them would be happy to play there. Maybe not.)

the_black_planet
07-08-2015, 08:35 PM
Don't actually watch the game but looks like Buza is on fire on 2nd half and is winning Italians by his own!

Joško Poljak Fan
07-08-2015, 09:05 PM
Don't actually watch the game but looks like Buza is on fire on 2nd half and is winning Italians by his own!
In my opinion easily the best performance by an individual yet. 28 points, 10 rebounds 10/15 FG, but most importantly, he dominated the game the way noone yet did.

christodoulou76
07-08-2015, 10:01 PM
Greece beat Bulgaria 60-51. Liapis, who plays for the senior team of PAOK, led the way with 19 points. In order to qualify to the next round, Greece needs to beat Israel, which is a better team than Bulgaria, and hope that Latvia beats Israel as well to avoid potentially disadvantageous tiebreak situations.

Terrorizer
07-08-2015, 11:07 PM
I don't know, teams play here cripled usually. Most good prospect never play this championship so we see here playing key roles players wich celling is Romanian league
Bullshit :) Yet even Romanian league ain't that bad. A team like Ploiesti had Dragan Labovic, Dee Brown, Gerald Lee, Alhaji Mohammed and some other solid guys last season.

In this tournament there is a lot of mistakes, there is a lot of situations when immaturity is evident, there is some sloppiness involved. But it always was the case and always will be for youth international tournaments. Overall, I'm not the most avid watcher of youth tournaments but I don't have a feeling that their level decreases and this includes U-20 category. Yes, some 4-5 players who are thinking more about NBA by now than about representing their country are often missing but truth is that it's a 24th (or even 44th - but that could be an overestimation) player strength-wise who is much more indicative of the tournament's quality than the 4th one even if most of the fans care only about hyped up 'stars'.

I've watched an overwhelming number of games today, so everything is puzzled and hazy in mind right now and I won't comment on them.

Just a couple of things. First of all, we fought good with Spaniards for most of the game, despite being dominated in the rebounding battle (just as I predicted), and refs shameless decisions (basket counted for Diop after multiple change of directions after being fouled, for example) were crucial for Spain to attain that lead in the latter half of a fourth quarter. I've only watched a second half of this game but I liked our coaching and defensive organization was good also (especially for perimeter defense) while offense was often too stagnant and there was overreliance on Martynov's individual skills. Defense in the paint against opposing bigs was much worse which resulted in tons of offensive rebounds for Spanish bigs and many second chance points which kept Spain afloat. I'm still quite unsure of what to await from our team in this tournament as I think that it can either go really far (semis, for example) or fail terribly (being eliminated to division B is not out of possibility). And everything in between is also possible.

Second, Fontecchio is a scumbag for sure. What he did in the game with Bosnia is simply inexcusable.

P.S. JPF, I'm not the most knowledgeable about Rebec. But he's not your typical Nedim Buza/Evan Fournier type of player. I think that he is a clever guy with a huge upside for the team-oriented style of play who just lacks restraint and control as of now. The fact that he is so far from being an athletic freak makes it sure that in order to succeed he needs to overcome those individualistic tendencies in his play. Since he has a really impressive passing culture and can be pretty unpredictable in offensive decision-making, I hope he can evolve in just that way. If only his injuries aren't that serious to prevent this scenario... though with knees you never know.

christodoulou76
07-09-2015, 01:40 AM
Fontecchio is a scumbag for sure. What he did in the game with Bosnia is simply inexcusable.

What did he do?

Terrorizer
07-09-2015, 05:03 AM
What did he do?
Waiting for the inbounds pass in offense Fontecchio meanly slashed the BiH player's hand (there was a defender's touch on him but nothing to justify such a reaction), then after there was surprisingly no reaction from that player Italian 'star' just shoved him down. Refs whistled Fontecchio for the offensive foul and then he threw the ball into that Bosnian player who lied on the floor. When Nedim Buza grabbed his hand in order 'to have a talk', Mr. Permisiveness just shoved him in the chest. You can watch it yourself here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI9eM1Ey8UQ (from 26:39 onward). Really an example of abominable behaviour. Fontecchio is the worst disappointment of this tournament so far, both play- and behaviour-wise.

BiHBasket
07-09-2015, 08:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAlWTPkvw2Q

christodoulou76
07-09-2015, 04:24 PM
Greece make epic comeback in 4th quarter after being down by 15 only to squander it all with 3 unpardonable turnovers in the last possessions. Depressing...

Dreamcatcher
07-09-2015, 06:35 PM
Lithuania surprisingly had very easy win against Slovenia by 25 points. But i liked Slovenian guard Mesicek, who is 2 years younger.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-09-2015, 06:55 PM
Dissastrous defense all-round by Slovenia. They got back with zone defense vs. Germany and Britain, but that's not going to work vs. technicaly good team as Lithuania that easily. Also as ussualy damn uneccesary slow start with some stupid TO's that makes the game noticably more difficult than it should be.

Terrorizer
07-09-2015, 07:48 PM
Dissastrous defense all-round by Slovenia. They got back with zone defense vs. Germany and Britain, but that's not going to work vs. technicaly good team as Lithuania that easily. Also as ussualy damn uneccesary slow start with some stupid TO's that makes the game noticably more difficult than it should be.
Yep, completely agree with your point about the slow start. It seems that Nikolic once again was unimpressive. After such a beginning I switched to France - BiH completely instead of viewing these games in parallel.

Bosnia has a good team, by the way. Despite French supreme athleticism and extremely deep rotation French coach goes for, BiH came just an inch short of making an upset. Any time Buza was benched, they started to play in quite coherent and, dare I say, even semi-intellectual basketball. Buza is an awful player though. Today his shots weren't falling and it was perfectly evident that he has no plan B for such a situation. He forced things in almost any possession where ball came to him, was robbed of the ball off the dribble numerous times and just played in overly retarded manner. He's a ball-hog on par with all those Belinellis of this earthly plane, a really stupid and, most probably, uncoachable player. A pity since he has some individual offensive talent.

I like what I'm seeing from Belgium at the moment. Lecomte is skilled and extremely speedy but there is more to this team than just his flashiness. I'm too nervous to watch Russia - Ukraine. If we lose that game, it'll be a true humiliation. Only if we figure it out how to defend the paint, it would be much easier of a task...

BiHBasket
07-09-2015, 08:22 PM
Yep, completely agree with your point about the slow start. It seems that Nikolic once again was unimpressive. After such a beginning I switched to France - BiH completely instead of viewing these games in parallel.

Bosnia has a good team, by the way. Despite French supreme athleticism and extremely deep rotation French coach goes for, BiH came just an inch short of making an upset. Any time Buza was benched, they started to play in quite coherent and, dare I say, even semi-intellectual basketball. Buza is an awful player though. Today his shots weren't falling and it was perfectly evident that he has no plan B for such a situation. He forced things in almost any possession where ball came to him, was robbed of the ball off the dribble numerous times and just played in overly retarded manner. He's a ball-hog on par with all those Belinellis of this earthly plane, a really stupid and, most probably, uncoachable player. A pity since he has some individual offensive talent.

I like what I'm seeing from Belgium at the moment. Lecomte is skilled and extremely speedy but there is more to this team than just his flashiness. I'm too nervous to watch Russia - Ukraine. If we lose that game, it'll be a true humiliation. Only if we figure it out how to defend the paint, it would be much easier of a task...


201 cm without shoes, 210 cm wingspan. Did this yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7SPbjF4T28

"Awful player":rolleyes:

auris1
07-09-2015, 09:00 PM
201 cm without shoes, 210 cm wingspan. Did this yesterday
s:

All he said he has no plan B. Make highlight of today's game and let's compare who is right

BiHBasket
07-09-2015, 09:33 PM
All he said he has no plan B. Make highlight of today's game and let's compare who is right

No, he said that he is "awful","stupid" etc., probably based on one game. I mean, I first could write a lot about things he should improve, but calling him awful on this tournament where half of the players doesnt' even look like basketball players(Bosnian players included) is harsh.


And it's not like he is the only talented player who have bad games on this tournament. He at least have one great game, most of them not even that.

Terrorizer
07-09-2015, 11:21 PM
No, he said that he is "awful","stupid" etc., probably based on one game. I mean, I first could write a lot about things he should improve, but calling him awful on this tournament where half of the players doesnt' even look like basketball players(Bosnian players included) is harsh.

BiHBasket, I've said a lot of compliments towards your team but you've chosen to react only to my honest and unbiased Buza's evaluation. Even from your highlights clip
it's really discernible that Nedim lacks that precious bball IQ on a major scale. And I just can't respect players of that kind no matter how good of the shooters/athletes they are. A good basketball player must know his limits and not to overplay his role on the court.

Most of the time Buza settles for contested shots or hard drives towards the basket against numerous defenders forcing things on a major scale. His playing style is an epitome of ball-hoginess and I would be surprised if you won't agree with such a statement. If you're asking me, does this specific (retarded) ball-hog Nedim Buza have some individual offensive skills, then I'll surely answer 'yes, he does'. I'm not overly impressed by his capabilities but he is a solid shooter with impressive athleticism, ball-handling skills, ability to drive all the way to the hoop and finish strong around the basket. If he didn't have those skills, he won't make it to BiH squad even if there are players in it who don't look like basketballers in your eyes. But he's ultimately stupid and unidimensional player who will hurt his teams (if only they would be of a decent level and, hence, the ones which face decent opposition regularly) with his stupid turnovers and awful shot selection more than he can help him with his individual offensive skills. By the way, it's perfectly clear even from your video. In this video Nedim twice made extremely stupid turnovers only to recover the ball a second later literally scratching it from opponents hands. These scenarios resulted in two easy lay-ups for him but such a trick won't pass against more mature and capable defenders. Also it seems that Buza is a turnover machine and frankly I highly doubt that he can overcame this deficiency. So, summarizing it, this BiH team is (mostly) sympathetic while its most hyped up star definitely is not.

I've watched only glimpses of Russia - Ukraine game but it's a gargantually shameful loss. Ukraine is a level or two worse team than our current squad and a team which gave a good fight to Spain just can't lose to such an opponent. I don't know what happened to Sasha Martynov (injury?) but if he won't play in two remaining games then our already slim chances to avoid relegation to division B (such a relegation would happen for the first time in history, by the way, if I'm not misaken) would start to disappear fast. Czech Republic is already a (heavy) favourite against such an incarnation of Russian team and depsite Poles being laughably bad so far I won't be surprised if Russia will finish winless in this group. I've said some good things about coaching stuff but it looks that I was really premature about it. 1 out of 12 three pointers, 4 assists (Ukraine had 14) and 14 turnovers compared with Ukr's 7. What a terrible shame!

I'm not inclined to talk about politics here but losing to Ukrainian team has some especially sour ideological connotations. And, for another dose of cruel irony, Ukraine was lead by Alexander Antipov from Donetsk (21 points + 15 rebounds). It's like Serbia losing to Croatia which was lead by a Serbian guy from Knin in some 1995. A painful thing, for sure.

carlo
07-10-2015, 06:36 AM
Italy has been rather disappointing so far and road to qualification is going to be very tough.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-10-2015, 09:56 AM
@Terrorizer, I think Nikolič is visibly frustrated, might be the teamates, my personal guess would be the coach though. Or lack of some more detailed offensive system, as he is a systematic type of PG in the first place. Relying on one on one abilities and situational decisions wasn't his strong point to begin with.
I thought that our game could easily improve with Nikolič being a bit more laid back and improving his shot selection and Mesiček making some ekstra shots. They both did that, Mesiček was actualy playing damn great, however that was far from enough to talk about noticable game improvement.


I watched a replay of last 15 minutes between Ukraine - Russia. Even with the empty arena, both players have put an immensive effort into the game, loudest and most emotional bench cheering I've heard recently and it showed on court. Players had those determined moves, positive attitude kind of like the one you see at the march madness and it was really enjoyable to watch them, which just reminded me what's the best type of game to watch.

Levenspiel
07-10-2015, 02:23 PM
I'm not inclined to talk about politics here but losing to Ukrainian team has some especially sour ideological connotations. And, for another dose of cruel irony, Ukraine was lead by Alexander Antipov from Donetsk (21 points + 15 rebounds). It's like Serbia losing to Croatia which was lead by a Serbian guy from Knin in some 1995. A painful thing, for sure.
I wish our Ukrainian members were more active on IBN. That could be interesting.

I happen to work with an Ukrainian colleague, a very close friend actually. He doesn't follow bball, but whenever I mention if Ukrainian teams did well or bad, his reaction is always the same: "forget about Ukrainians, what did Russians do? Did they lose? because that's the only thing I care about"

Srle
07-10-2015, 02:27 PM
Back to back 100 points or more , not too shabby :D

christodoulou76
07-10-2015, 04:43 PM
Greece very close to being relegated to Division B. Bottom 7 teams get relegated and 8 teams will compete for the one spot that will keep them in Div. A. A relegation would be a ridiculous turn of events a year before one of the most talented generations of Greek players ever enters this age group. Looking forward to Charalampopoulos and Papagiannis playing against Liechtenstein next summer. :(

slice me nice
07-10-2015, 05:12 PM
The competition format is bullshit as I said before. 7 relegation is too much. Many basketball countries won't participate next year due to their less talented generations of this year. They should rethink this format. I am completely against this moronic thing.

auris1
07-10-2015, 05:35 PM
Greece very close to being relegated to Division B. Bottom 7 teams get relegated and 8 teams will compete for the one spot that will keep them in Div. A. A relegation would be a ridiculous turn of events a year before one of the most talented generations of Greek players ever enters this age group. Looking forward to Charalampopoulos and Papagiannis playing against Liechtenstein next summer. :(
Maybe I did not follow it thoroughly , the change of format to this tournament .
Are you saying that because FIBA decided to go back to 16 team format in top division they are culling 7 teams from division A and bringing in 3 teams from division B? That is just outright stupid. And for all you know,Greece won't be playing against Liechtenstein just because latter might be playing in division A. Jesus. Thankfully I did not know that,otherwise watching this tournament would have been a torture for me.

auris1
07-10-2015, 06:00 PM
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I'm not inclined to talk about politics here but losing to Ukrainian team has some especially sour ideological connotations. And, for another dose of cruel irony, Ukraine was lead by Alexander Antipov from Donetsk (21 points + 15 rebounds). It's like Serbia losing to Croatia which was lead by a Serbian guy from Knin in some 1995. A painful thing, for sure.

What the fuck? If you do not wish to talk about politics then you don't start posting shit like this .There was not a single sentence in this thread regarding politics. Cruel irony is that you just can not accept the fact that someone like Antipov considers himself Ukrainian no matter where he was born. Oh wait,he was born in Ukraine and he plays for Ukraine? Wonder why?
Either way, Ukraine won fairly,right ? It was a great pleasure of mine to watch that game. Better team have won and that is all I can say to you.

slice me nice
07-10-2015, 08:00 PM
Turkey was in his right mind against Slovenia in the first half. I am pretty much satisfied with the game. Btw, we are only up 6 points which is weird for this performance/outcome ratio.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-10-2015, 08:07 PM
Turkey was in his right mind against Slovenia in the first half. I am pretty much satisfied with the game. Btw, we are only up 6 points which is weird for this performance/outcome ratio.
I'm surprised we're that close as well. Forcing shots all over and the biggest achievement we're capable of is attacking center or PF 1 on 1 up high with PG SG without any effect at all.

slice me nice
07-10-2015, 08:25 PM
Metecan Birsen is a turnover machine. I stopped to count his mistakes because it really gives me headache.

elturco
07-10-2015, 08:25 PM
Emircan Kosut and Ege Arar isn't ready for this level. We don't have a dominant Center after a long time in youth competitions. Emircan Kosut can just block, nothing else. He looks like will be the next Fatih Solak.

I liked Slovenia's defensive efford, tough and hard. They aren't giving any space to Turkey's creative guards and forwards

slice me nice
07-10-2015, 08:28 PM
Emircan Kosut and Ege Arar isn't ready for this level. We don't have a dominant Center after a long time in youth competitions. Emircan Kosut can just block, nothing else. He looks like will be the next Fatih Solak.

I liked Slovenia's defensive efford, tough and hard. They aren't giving any space to Turkey's creative guards and forwards

Yeah he should block 20 shoots to be a dominant center. He averages only 8 blocks per game. What a shame.(!)

elturco
07-10-2015, 08:35 PM
Yeah he should block 20 shoots to be a dominant center. He averages only 8 blocks per game. What a shame.(!)

A center who can't play post-up, can't play pick'n roll, can't screen, can't pick his player to rebound can't be a dominant even he had 20 blocks every game.

slice me nice
07-10-2015, 08:37 PM
A center who can't play post-up, can't play pick'n roll, can't screen, can't pick his player to rebound can't be a dominant even he had 20 blocks every game.

A center can be dominant with his defensive effort too. While I am writing this, he had just added 2 more blocks.

elturco
07-10-2015, 08:55 PM
Deserved win by Slovenia. Nikolic was impressive.

slice me nice
07-10-2015, 08:58 PM
We lost, the defensive effort of Slovenia was notable good. We couldn't find the shooter of the day. The score potential of this team is not high and when you struggle to find the right man in the game, this kind of a result automatically transform into a normal outcome. Anyway, the saddest point is some of players who don't trust their own shoots, have deep worries when they are forced to shoot. I can feel it. They even don't believe in themselves to make the threes. They should work harder day n night. About the tournament, this lost has lots of meaning for us and especially the team has lost its momentum. I don't know how we will react to Germany game tomorrow. It will be so hard. Btw, Slovenia has great FT percentage which is a kind of sign that these guys keep their cool in the game. Here you go Slovenia, my second home! :)

BiHBasket
07-10-2015, 09:15 PM
What a poor display by our team, but I didn't expect anything, 10 of those 12 players will never play on higher level than Bosnian league. Buza could end as Euroleague/NBA player and Polutak at his prime will be a decent player for some average Turkish/Spanish/German team.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-10-2015, 09:56 PM
Afterall not a bad tournament for us, yet I just realised that in order to qualify further, Germany would have to beat Turkey lol. I don't think this team is likely to win majority games remaining and winning that 13th place, so that might as well be B division for us. Unlike many might think, since we're talking constantly different generations, while the bottom of Div B teams aren't really impressive, top3-5 teams can have some respectable generations and getting back to A division isn't some piece of cake even without a potential company of Bih/Croatia/Italy/Greece/Russia that all have chances to end there.

Turkey lost the game when they didn't force up an inside game, Birsen would've destroyed Mesiček under the rim if provided with the ball. Mesiček abused those 1 on 1 isolation situations in the first half, as if he was on the U18 level where he would get away with it, this way he was stopping the bball flow and produced little to nothing in return. He did step up with some good plays in the second half and avoided as much iso abuse (never was a fan of it). Nikolič had a good allround performance, I was ready to denounce Ritlop completely, than he got 10 decisive points in the last quarter alone, while he was commiting one mistake after another through the whole game that made me wonder if he has any confidence or skill left from last year.

That's a 3rd succesfull comeback from 13+ for this team, even if vs. Germany they didn't make it at the end, getting back from 20 points deficit was still huge. I like that.

BiHBasket
07-10-2015, 10:43 PM
Afterall not a bad tournament for us, yet I just realised that in order to qualify further, Germany would have to beat Turkey lol. I don't think this team is likely to win majority games remaining and winning that 13th place, so that might as well be B division for us. Unlike many might think, since we're talking constantly different generations, while the bottom of Div B teams aren't really impressive, top3-5 teams can have some respectable generations and getting back to A division isn't some piece of cake even without a potential company of Bih/Croatia/Italy/Greece/Russia that all have chances to end there.

Turkey lost the game when they didn't force up an inside game, Birsen would've destroyed Mesiček under the rim if provided with the ball. Mesiček abused those 1 on 1 isolation situations in the first half, as if he was on the U18 level where he would get away with it, this way he was stopping the bball flow and produced little to nothing in return. He did step up with some good plays in the second half and avoided as much iso abuse (never was a fan of it). Nikolič had a good allround performance, I was ready to denounce Ritlop completely, than he got 10 decisive points in the last quarter alone, while he was commiting one mistake after another through the whole game that made me wonder if he has any confidence or skill left from last year.

That's a 3rd succesfull comeback from 13+ for this team, even if vs. Germany they didn't make it at the end, getting back from 20 points deficit was still huge. I like that.


You are too critical towards Nikolić, he leads Slovenian team in points, rebounds and assists and yet you somehow criticize him after every game, you aren't the biggest fan of him, aren't you:rolleyes:

Jon_Koncak
07-10-2015, 11:07 PM
The format of this tournament is ridiculous.4 group games then another 3 in second group phase then another 3 to the final.10 games in 12 days.That's A LOT.Knock out games should start right after the first group stage like in u19 wc.

Dreamcatcher
07-10-2015, 11:44 PM
Actually 7 teams being relegated made this tournament more interesting. I'm not against it at all.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-11-2015, 12:15 AM
You are too critical towards Nikolić, he leads Slovenian team in points, rebounds and assists and yet you somehow criticize him after every game, you aren't the biggest fan of him, aren't you:rolleyes:

On the opposite, I like him a lot and I must say Spars Sarajevo has done a really good job developing him. I've witnessed a lot of different outcomes with many talents that were too eager to go abroad too early and don't take Nikolič's development for granted by no means.

I don't understand where you got that "criticism after every game" thing? If you'll read again what I wrote about him in this thread, you'll see I'm talking strictly about those slight nuances, about Ali seeming frustrated, be it the coach or his teamates, that he has to cope with a lot of attention from the opposing teams and doesn't have enough quality surrounding him, has to carry a lot on his shoulders, I criticised him for the same thing as I criticised Mesiček today (and I'm freaking starting to adore the man), which is not an ideal shot selection and occasional ball-hog isolation heroics that just aren't my thing. If I haven't wrote more on the subject it's because I don't want to bore people with an endless novel about one particular player not everybody might be as interested in the way I am.
Other than that if I said "good" performance but should've said "great" by your opinion, that's because I see quite some reserves in his game which I know he is already capable of showing, but unable to. That "unable to" applies to the system that in my opinion might not be Nikolič's prefered one and to his teamates that lack at quite some aspects. We don't have the talent pool of some larger nations, in Slovenia's case when Rebec, Zatežič, Kavaš and Dolenšek are missing that's just huge, apart from 3 or even 4 of those being potentialy in the first lineup the talent starts to decline rapidly with what would normaly be 8th 9th, 10th player in the rotation but now suddenly plays a lot of minutes with an important role on the team. That's the difference when you're putting up a selection from 100 or 500+ "talented" players.

Nikolič didn't play great throughout the tournament though, this was the first performance that trully impressed me which is normal since my expectations about him are high. However you won't see me raging with excitement about Nikolič, just as you won't see me raging about even Luka Dončič (and that's incredibly tough to resist to be honest) as I want to keep calm head with as little emotions as possible when evaluating Slovenian players, just as with players from any other country. If I let emotions go, I've already learned my observations start representing my "wishes" for that player instead of reality pretty fast.


If you really want to know what I think about Nikolič - to cut the long story short, with the abysmal level of PG's in euroleague nowadays with most of them lacking in at least one aspect, Nikolič is one of the best candidates of his generation to actualy become a really decent PG in some strong euroleague team (even if judging by the trends, that might exclusively be reserved for US PGs and those 5-10 extra talents in the decade that don't fing their way to NBA for some reason). I'm not saying he will, because there is a long way ahead, but from 95' generation I think he is among the top2, because Marinelli (CRO) has some big confidence issues on the top of superb skills, Rebec (SLO) has a potential career ending injury, Sipahi (TUR) seems to be rushed to the euroleague level just a bit too soon for his best benefit (Sipahi still might have an edge here), while with the rest I haven't noticed some outraging potential and hope I haven't missed some obvious candidate here.
And as far as I am concerned, that's a pretty good opinion about the man, by my standards.

BiHBasket
07-11-2015, 12:43 AM
It's not just after this game, for example after Slovenia won a game against Great Britain you wrote a long recap with just one sentence about Nikolić and it was :"Nikolič either wants to send Novakovič "somewhere" or didn't have his head on the court in the first half, visibly frustrated". Player scored 26 points for your national team and only thing what you have to say is that he was frustrated. Strange, isn't.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-11-2015, 08:12 AM
I think you've got the word "frustrated" wrong. It's used in this case as wanting to do something, but not being able to due to factors being out of your powers. I've also provided the possible reasons for that, be it the coach, lack of detailed system or the teamates on probably 3 different occasions in particular for Nikolič's case, go wonder... he didn't performed entirely as expected (no matter the points lol) yet I was trying to defend him, which I probably wouldn't have done if I honestly disliked the guy.

But be it your way, if you conclude I dislike the guy after everything I've written... so be it. Since I accused Mesiček of ballhoging, Ritlop of regressing, Rebec of occasionaly playing out of control, others lacking talent all in this very thread, let alone the others through some wider timespan, I mostlikely hate our entire U20 national team :) shame on me! and yeah, actualy very strange isn't it?

Terrorizer
07-11-2015, 12:16 PM
What the fuck? If you do not wish to talk about politics then you don't start posting shit like this .There was not a single sentence in this thread regarding politics. Cruel irony is that you just can not accept the fact that someone like Antipov considers himself Ukrainian no matter where he was born. Oh wait,he was born in Ukraine and he plays for Ukraine? Wonder why?
Either way, Ukraine won fairly,right ? It was a great pleasure of mine to watch that game. Better team have won and that is all I can say to you.
Ok, let's talk about all these touchy subjects, if you insist :) Only without swearing and trashtalk, please.

We don't know how Antipov feels and with which ethnos and nation does he identify himself. At least, I do not know this, maybe, you do, maybe, he's your personal friend, who knows. But if you don't know him in person then all your speculation about Antipov considering himself 'Ukraininan' is unfounded and it sounds quite retarded. Especially if we have in mind numerous cases when a player plays for some national team without identifying himself truly with that country. Such things do happen regularly as playing for a national team means good international exposure and many players do not want to miss on that option even without being die-hard patriots of the country they represent.

Antipov's surname is indicative of Greater Russian descent though and I find it a cruel irony (not much irony, more like tragedy, to be perfectly frank) that he plays for the country whose army just bombed the living shit out of the town where he was born, killing scores of unarmed civilians in the process. I suspect that playing for 'cruel occupants of your native land' is quite ok for many people from the countries like yours as countless Lithuanians represented Soviet Union internationally in sports (especially, basketball) willfully despite all the epic grievances about 'sufferance under harsh Soviet rule'. But, as a general rule, Russians used to have different moral principles and standards of decency. I hope most of them still do.

I haven't watch the game (I've written about it before), so I can't judge if Ukraine won fairly or not.


I happen to work with an Ukrainian colleague, a very close friend actually. He doesn't follow bball, but whenever I mention if Ukrainian teams did well or bad, his reaction is always the same: "forget about Ukrainians, what did Russians do? Did they lose? because that's the only thing I care about"
Most probably, he's of petty (or not so petty) bourgeois background, isn't he? The richer a person in Ukraine, the better chances that he is a die-hard Russophobe. This defective way of thinking is so typical for nationalistic Ukrs. Their whole national pride is built mostly not around taking pride in something positive about themselves but around the whole 'Ukrainians are not Russians' and 'knife the Muscovites' mantras. They feel themselves much happier not when Ukraine is successful in something (which happens pretty rare since their 'independence') but when Russia fails somewhere somehow. It's extremely stupid, I think, but from my point of view the whole Ukrainstvo ideology is just a giant heap of massive stupidity.

The question of national and ethnic identity is quite perplexed and tangled in Ukraine (and among people of Ukrainian/Little Russian background living elsewhere). An overwhelming majority of the people with typically 'Ukrainian' surnames (just like my mother's one :)) who live in Russia view themselves as ethnic Russians and there is really not much of a difference between these two folks. The whole problem what was first: a hen or an egg 'do Ukrainians constitute a part of bigger Russian nation?' can be likened to the similar one about Macedonians in their relationship to Bulgarians. It was answered differently in different periods of time and it couldn't be separated from all these complicated historic and political matters which I suspect would be irrelevant to dive in on a basketball forum. I can only say that as an ethnonym term 'Ukrainian' is in use only since the late XIX century and even in the Western Ukraine (where anti-Russian bias are the most widespread alongside with Kiev) there are many cities whose very names still bear those Russian semblances like Rava-Rus'ka (and not Rava-Ukrains'ka) or Novograd-Volyns'kii (and not Novemisto-Volynske). Ukrainian (and Belarusian for that matter) language can be viewed as a dialect of Russian which was a predominant position in Western European linguistics even in the early XXth century, since they are really mutually intelligible (the same thing as with Serbian and Croatian, I guess).

Ok, the last thing to say about Ukraine and Antipov is that it's really a funny fact that he scored exactly 21 points in any of the four games he played in this tournament. One of the most dominant performances so far and he massively overshadowed Kobets who was the only player from this Ukrainian squad whose name sometimes figured in different top prospects lists (closer to the bottom but still).

Despite winning against Poland with big point difference I doubt that we could pull it off against Czech Republic. They play much better organized and much more team-oriented basketball than our team, Peterka and Pechacek feel themselves just fine and most probably will school our frontcourt in style while Radovan Kouril dished more assists than the whole Russian team in this tournament. We're looking miserable in too many statistical components, so despite this particular squad being mostly solid potentially, it seems that we are doomed to fail. Quite a shame since the game with Spain gave me some hopes about Russia being competitive in this tournament.

I haven't watched any of today's games but it's quite surprising that both France and Serbia won so easily (or at least it seems so from watching the final score). On the other hand, upset of a day was Sloveina winning against Turkey, for sure. It's hard to judge by the game only by its stats but, as I can guess, Slovenian leaders finally lived up to the mounting pressure and that was enough to overcome Turkish team even despite not being able to counter Turkish much supreme frontcourt.

BiHBasket, by the way, I think that beside Buza and Polutak there are at least two players in current Bosnian squad who can play for some mid-level team some country like Greece or Germany if they could progress and work successfully on their deficiencies. While it's clear that his shooting skills will always leave a lot to be desired, if Zahiragic can play in a less adventuristic manner limiting the number of turnovers and improving his shot selection in the process, then he can be a decent back-up point guard even for some lesser EuroCup team. Lakic is another candidate, players of his type can evolve into the late bloomers and it seems that he has a right kind of mentality to be capable of successful transition from prospects to pros.

auris1
07-11-2015, 01:26 PM
There is nothing I insist on talking ,especially with you.
However ,I am ready to discuss ongoing game ,where Russia plays against Czechs .

.....
In group B, Greece is out ,even if they win,right ?

the_black_planet
07-11-2015, 02:24 PM
Guys, what do you think about Czech players? They have a very nice team but looks so far that most of their key players lack the athletic ability to play on high level. For example, I really like Kouril, he is a fantastic passer but proffesionaly he couldn't do anything this year in a mid-level Czech team:confused: Maybe if he improves from long range he'll have more chance... What about Peterka and the others??

christodoulou76
07-11-2015, 03:51 PM
In group B, Greece is out ,even if they win,right ?

Yes. They will finish 4th either way.

LuDux
07-11-2015, 04:17 PM
They brainwash them good, don't they?

Joško Poljak Fan
07-11-2015, 04:30 PM
Guys, what do you think about Czech players? They have a very nice team but looks so far that most of their key players lack the athletic ability to play on high level. For example, I really like Kouril, he is a fantastic passer but proffesionaly he couldn't do anything this year in a mid-level Czech team:confused: Maybe if he improves from long range he'll have more chance... What about Peterka and the others??

It's visible that it's no coincidence this Czech generation was participating at the U17 worlds. Technicaly they seem up there with the better teams, however I've got some suspects on their guidance, they generaly seem "street smart" and could use some redneck balkan psychopat as their coach occasionaly to explain to them stuff like you just don't search for Pechacek (center) to transfer the ball upcourt, help in defense, exploiting the ingame situations and that kind of small stuff that make up for a big change in the game eventually.
Or for example Kouril passing the ball inside, right at the moment the defender wasn't watching, aiming just a bit over defenders head. Sure it can work, but it's a street move and for a good reason I don't think too many players on this level won't pay attention towards the ballhandler long enough to make it work, it's a whole different thing to do that in an official tournament when your team is lagging behind. The % for making it just don't add up to make it worthwhile.
On the other hand, what got them to this point is also something that euro bball generaly lacks, especialy th Ex-Yu part - improvisation. They're able to ignite some really good offensive plays through improvisation which some NT's that are kind of set in stone of various rules and set plays are sometimes unable to do. Both, traditional wisdoms and improvisation combined are the ultimate way to go, however coaches with enough experience, knowledge, patience and psychological knowledge for a combination of both are rare.


Pechacek is special, well build, good motorics for a man his size, has good range, puts the ball on the floor alongside that should develop into a serviceable euroleague level player within few years in my opinion and considering the lack of quality big man in NBA, going there isn't excluded either.

Peterka is also technicaly superior to many PF's out there, after getting used to the massacres going on under the rim in group D I'm missing on some agressiveness from him. He does seem inteligent for a PF, keeps his head up passes the ball back outside, which seems as an easy thing to do, yet nevertheless to hard for many

Wasn't impressed by Kouril though. I don't think he brings anything special on the table, he is using his hands more than his legs in defense, easy to pass by and generaly I'm suspecting that basicaly the whole group C is just being poor on the perimeter. Spanish backcourt put on some notable pressure on Czech, while Russians today were completely anemic in the second half as if they were playing vs. girls for the first time and wouldn't be sure how much contact they can actualy apply. Along the stuff I wrote above, he had a lot of those "street smarts" that in my opinion, won't work at a transition to a higher level anymore. Jumping first, passing second is another mistake that (rightfully) makes you scared for your own life with most stricter coaches.

Personaly I liked #6 Dragoun much more in both games i watched, as he can immediately bring something to the table for some mid-level pro-team with his defense and energy. When you're contributing on the defensive part, offense comes along sooner or later, if you're sitting at the end of the bench as you're a liability in defense there isn't much expected progress to be made on the bench in the first place.

p.s.before any new poster that isn't used to my attitude towards talent evaluation potentialy starts questioning on my hate for Czech people - i don't hate them, just merely posting my observations as this team is highly intriguing and got my attention.
In fact I realised I don't have any Slovenian beer in the refrigerator only Bernard and Budvar and I'm really gratefull for both! (without sarcasm!)

Joško Poljak Fan
07-11-2015, 04:37 PM
And btw. if there is any interest on the Ukrainian - Russian situation, I can start a thread and transfer the posts there, other than that avoiding politics on the basketball topics isn't desired.

Straight forward
07-11-2015, 05:11 PM
Wow, it's like kindergarden. Refs can't do the job, Lithuanian coach can't do the job, kids feel confused :p

slice me nice
07-11-2015, 05:17 PM
We shouldn't have lost Slovenia game, the team is playing too anxious today. I hope, we won't lose this one otherwise I even don't want to think the other option.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-11-2015, 05:27 PM
Wow, it's like kindergarden. Refs can't do the job, Lithuanian coach can't do the job, kids feel confused :p
What's going on? GBR turning a bit physical?

Ismet Akpinar leading the Germany 28-26 at half time. Daniel Mayr might not have some great stat sheet, but he definately impacts the game.
Absolutely loved the step back jumper by Kosut, you don't see that often with centers.

@slice me nice, I think this system basicaly sucks. Teams that don't deserve falling into B division will get there one or another, definately too many of them.

Straight forward
07-11-2015, 05:39 PM
What's going on? GBR turning a bit physical?


Refs having a hard time with secretariat and overall barely controls the game. Lithuanian coach seem to be super slow and still seem to work "on kids level" when coach doesn't really react to the actual game just runs the "basics" of the game plan. No time out till Lithuania lost -12. He barely control the team. Great Britain is playing free style, aggressive, uptempo basketball and they got Lithuania for a moment. Some players still seem to be lost out there. Have no idea why Seskus is not allowed to create more as he seem to be the best decision maker on the team. Kubilius can shoot as well as Valinskas is a nice guard. Great Britain has physical advantage, but it won't be enough, IMO. Lithuania still more coherent and more disciplined.

slice me nice
07-11-2015, 06:15 PM
Özdemiroğlu is a great hustle and defensive guy. Joy to watch. So energetic.

slice me nice
07-11-2015, 06:29 PM
Turkey dominated the second half thanks to full court press. Turkey came out of his shell and the showed his quality. Özdemiroğlu-Uğurlu duo is so energetic to cope with. We forced Germans easy turnovers and Geçim's organization ability has ruled the court. Great effort. Turkey finished first the group. Let's see how will our effort turn to us in the second phase.

carlo
07-11-2015, 09:24 PM
Unexpected win of Italy vs previously unbeaten France and qualification to 2nd round (with Belgium and France, all tied 1-1). Ahead throughout the game, Italy was able to push back French comeback in Q4. Well done !

Levenspiel
07-11-2015, 10:22 PM
Antipov's surname is indicative of Greater Russian descent though and I find it a cruel irony (not much irony, more like tragedy, to be perfectly frank) that he plays for the country whose army just bombed the living shit out of the town where he was born, killing scores of unarmed civilians in the process. I suspect that playing for 'cruel occupants of your native land' is quite ok for many people from the countries like yours as countless Lithuanians represented Soviet Union internationally in sports (especially, basketball) willfully despite all the epic grievances about 'sufferance under harsh Soviet rule'. But, as a general rule, Russians used to have different moral principles and standards of decency. I hope most of them still do.

Come on, man. I'm not gonna delve into any discussion on a topic that I'm almost completely ignorant about, but it is interesting that you skipped the whole glaring reason why the Ukraine might be bombing a city within their own borders in the first place.



Most probably, he's of petty (or not so petty) bourgeois background, isn't he? The richer a person in Ukraine, the better chances that he is a die-hard Russophobe. This defective way of thinking is so typical for nationalistic Ukrs. Their whole national pride is built mostly not around taking pride in something positive about themselves but around the whole 'Ukrainians are not Russians' and 'knife the Muscovites' mantras. They feel themselves much happier not when Ukraine is successful in something (which happens pretty rare since their 'independence') but when Russia fails somewhere somehow. It's extremely stupid, I think, but from my point of view the whole Ukrainstvo ideology is just a giant heap of massive stupidity.
Not really a bourgeois, but he's from Western Ukraine. To be honest I find their nationalism a bit naive, and have deep skepticism on every story from both sides (have Russian colleagues too), but given the situation, we are not in a position to judge anybody, I guess.

btw, we can move the discussion to a separate thread.

christodoulou76
07-12-2015, 12:21 PM
I finally glanced at the standings of this tournament to see what crappy teams GRE would face in the 13-20 classification games, and to my horror I see that CRO, BIH, RUS, SLO are there. :eek: Relegation here we come! :D

Joško Poljak Fan
07-12-2015, 01:03 PM
Christodolou; we're all of the same thoughts here :) not many optimists with the relegation battle.

Picek
07-12-2015, 04:07 PM
Christodolou; we're all of the same thoughts here :) not many optimists with the relegation battle.
you will have one opponent less to fight with..
no way we can escape from being relegated..
not with this team and way they play..

BiHBasket
07-12-2015, 04:52 PM
So tomorrow Bosnia - Slovenia, there are some conections between those two teams:)

- Nikolič played in SPARS for years alongside Buza and Zahiragić, actually Zaharagić was always his backup on point guard position, and now he is the starting pg of national team:) Other players from our team also know Nikolič very well, because they played against him in Bosnian league

- Our player Polutak plays in Slovenia for Krka, so I guess Slovenian players are familiar with him

- Slovenian player Karavdić is Bosnian, just one more who moved in Slovenia at early age and decided to play for national team

Joško Poljak Fan
07-12-2015, 06:37 PM
you will have one opponent less to fight with..
no way we can escape from being relegated..
not with this team and way they play..
You sure? With our bigmen? We should make a trade, Slovenia giving one PG to Croatia and Croatia giving us a PF or a C and we'd both qualify with ease :P

@BihBasket, looking forward to seeing Polutak again, but than again noone can realisticaly cover him in our NT, so I'd have to rethink that. :)

christodoulou76
07-12-2015, 06:57 PM
you will have one opponent less to fight with..
no way we can escape from being relegated..
not with this team and way they play..

Also, Greece has no chance to avoid relegation. The team is playing terribly. The coveted 13th place should be a battle between Russia and Slovenia.

auris1
07-12-2015, 08:12 PM
Also, Greece has no chance to avoid relegation. The team is playing terribly. The coveted 13th place should be a battle between Russia and Slovenia.

Maybe that's enough of beating yourself down, each every one of you . I know you hope for your team to stay up,somehow, but still...It's still looks like a mini tournament where anyone can win, and that one coveted place is still for anyone to grab .
Group G - Croatia and Russia are there to progress .
Group H- that's a tough call.
But if you a ready to give up on your team playing the rest of condemned ,well, it is tough.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-12-2015, 08:33 PM
I won't give up to the very last minute of the last game!!! However my hopes that Šantelj and Ritlop would grew something like 5 centimeters at the age of 20 in this very particular week are somehow unrealistic :)

Straight forward
07-13-2015, 12:30 PM
CZE started perfectly. LTU looks cold. Sabonis suffering from "bulking" syndrome, doesn't have a soft touch all tournament long. Well it's a process.

CZE guys seem to be physically matured compared to Lithuanian guys. They expose toughness going inside and controlling the board. Lithuania has to answer with better shooting and discipline, but it's not the case so far. The biggest problem - PG position is completely empty.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-13-2015, 04:41 PM
Won vs Bosnia thatnk to a very bad day from 3 poit line they had.
Game organisation finaly looked decent as we had some inside game going things became easier in an instance. First time at this championship, Karavdžić, Šantelj and Ritlop combined for more than half (37) of overall points, while being even on the rebounds. Mesiček with 13 points, 9 rebounds and 6 assists if he wasn't 0/5 from range, this would've been a spectacular performance. Nikolič played smart and nevermind the stats (7points + 7 assists), this was in my opinion his best performance this tournament as game organisation made uncomparably more sense than in any game beforehand.

Great Britain surprised Croatia 68-64

Haven't watched Spain Germany (75-40) but judging from the result, Spaniards had their full court press going there for a good part of the game.

slice me nice
07-13-2015, 06:02 PM
Outstanding fourth quarter from Turkey and pure domination from Koşut again! +26 efficiency!

BiHBasket
07-13-2015, 06:11 PM
Two more games and 10 of those 12 players will never be seen again in national team kit. Yes:o

Jon_Koncak
07-13-2015, 07:04 PM
Belgium and Czech Republic almost a lock to make it to final 8.When was the last time it happened?Propably never.I'm glad to see new countries being competitive instead of the same old ones.Even GB fought hard for every game,they're no pushovers.

carlo
07-13-2015, 09:10 PM
Italy fell short from an upset of Serbia in a thriller Q4, but finally it was Serbia who won 67-61.

christodoulou76
07-13-2015, 09:36 PM
Every team until today had beaten a terrible Polish team by 20-40 points. Greece managed to lose by 9. Smh...

slice me nice
07-14-2015, 06:16 PM
Good, Ulubay was unstoppable. Turkey and Spain will play for the being first in the group.

pohani komarac
07-14-2015, 08:31 PM
Belgium and Czech Republic almost a lock to make it to final 8.When was the last time it happened?Propably never.I'm glad to see new countries being competitive instead of the same old ones.Even GB fought hard for every game,they're no pushovers.

95. CZE played U-16 finals against us
........................

Croatia 95.
ec u-16 gold
wc u-17 broze
ec u-18 silver
ec u-20 going to B division LOL

Tough not much to blame...no Hezonja, Zganec, Arapovic, I. Bender, Jelenek, Tomic, Marinelli, Basic, Mazalin and no coach Nazor

Joško Poljak Fan
07-15-2015, 09:40 AM
Double OT vs. Greece. I must say I't been a while since I've seen so many bricks thrown at layups and so many passes thrown at noone, by both teams.
Apart from those TO's as ussual, Nikolič found his shooting touch for the first time this championship and was absolutely superb, Mesiček stepped out of bounds 2 or 3 times, missed an alley-up, but nevertheless surpassed all my expectations. Apart from 4 guards in rotation and Šantelj the rest basicaly competed for Shaqtin a fool :)

Greece was still in the game even with 28 turnovers and I personaly think we've got a lot of better choices for this U20 selection than coach Novakovič. He probably hoped for some big time result that would push his career forward, while I'm all for a healthy dosage of screaming profanities during the games I still expect those to be constructive instead of screaming poetry about someone's mother without realising you've got 2 minutes left and 0 fouls. It obviously got too far when half the team is so afraid to screw up that they eventualy... screw up (that's the beauty of the human brain)

Picek
07-15-2015, 01:53 PM
95. CZE played U-16 finals against us
........................

Croatia 95.
ec u-16 gold
wc u-17 broze
ec u-18 silver
ec u-20 going to B division LOL

Tough not much to blame...no Hezonja, Zganec, Arapovic, I. Bender, Jelenek, Tomic, Marinelli, Basic, Mazalin and no coach Nazorall those players absent are playing a huge role but somehow I believe the biggest problem is not having someone with Nazor qualities here..
what did Milačić do with these players during preparations.
during the whole tournament I don't think I have seen two good set up plays by this team.
that can't be only players fault.

Dreamcatcher
07-15-2015, 10:57 PM
Sabonis with 28 rebounds set a new record in FIBA Europe youth tournaments. Also 18 pts, 6 as, 4 steals that is 47 EFF in a game vs Ukraine.

Straight forward
07-16-2015, 12:55 AM
Sabonis with 28 rebounds set a new record in FIBA Europe youth tournaments. Also 18 pts, 6 as, 4 steals that is 47 EFF in a game vs Ukraine.

That's huge. That means Gasol, Valanciunas, Kanter never rebounded that well. 28 rebounds in 30 minutes.

auris1
07-16-2015, 02:32 AM
Sabonis with 28 rebounds set a new record in FIBA Europe youth tournaments. Also 18 pts, 6 as, 4 steals that is 47 EFF in a game vs Ukraine.
You know what- i watched the game twice,well,almost ,because i just had to leave after third period for work,and then,after reading the good news,i just had to do it again. So ,anyways, for me ,it was a team effort . If i did not know better,i would have said that Sabonis had an average game. But stats don't lie or so they say.
Thankfully, neither Czech or Germans were comfortable enough to settle for that 10 -11 point advantage Germans needed.
As for Ukrainians,they beat Russia and stayed in division A .Well done for them.
And i think we should try to win one more game out of them 3 left. If we can do that , i would say that we have managed to achievement something .If we don't ,at least we have stayed in division A.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-16-2015, 08:46 AM
Slovenia lost against Poland, played with less energy as Poland knew they're fighting for the 13th place in case of a win they've put in some admirable effort, Mesiček got a slight injury from the previous game and Poland in the end deserved it more as simple as that.

slice me nice
07-16-2015, 02:04 PM
I carried out an analysis for the Turkish team before the quarter finals. So many up and downs for a tournament. We have played like a beast against some teams but couldn't have managed to show the same performance against the rest. Especially, Spain game showed one more time the limit of our offensive structure. It is a crystal clear fact that we are a defensive-mind team like almost every Turkish national team. It is a kind of compulsory selection for way of playing. The team has no shooter and can't find easy buckets due to low tempo game. There is no variety between our guards for playing in higher tempo game. Berk Uğurlu likes this type of game but when he sits on bench, we transform our game in different manner. That's why we can't perform in same line even in single game. Different mentality of our guards make the rest of the squad confused. Since Doğukan Şanlı is injured and will miss the finals, we don't have any shooter in team. A shooter who can hit opponents with threes. He is a good role player and now we see why we lack three point shoots in tournament. Now every team knows this deficiency and they try to make us fall down with this weakness. We play so narrow-spaced game and can't open up the game due to lacking a reliable shooter behind the arc. Even Spain had stepped back to welcome us in painted area but we also couldn't succeed to find score there since we have not a strong post up finisher there. This team has a lot of weaknesses. Beside all the weaknesses, we are in trouble with team cohesion and harmony of squad. Since some players had just arrived before few days of starting the tournament, the set games are not well prepared and communication between players are below the expected. Even Tolga Geçim who is a great organizator, struggles to control the team. Some players have hided skills and we need a leader who can bring out open these skills. We need a miracle. Also as I said, we are playing in low tempo. Although we are not an expert on set games, the high tempo and controlled chaos basketball are in favor of us. We need to give it a try to get better results from upcoming games. Otherwise, well prepared teams will easily destroy us. I trust our defense, especially to Emircan Koşut. He is a big guarantor for out backcourt and frontcourt. He stands like a tower and contributes lots of things to us. Especially the things that can't be explained by stats. His tendency for blocks is the one of the few good things that have happened in this tournament for Turkish team. We won the games with individual performances and to get better, we need to be a team. I don't know how will this happen but it must be happen. Ulubay, Özmızrak and Koşut had made us won some crucial games but it won't be enough against the other title contenders. The notable thing for our game is the full court press that we sometimes tried effectively. Özdemiroğlu and Uğurlu have tight defense and we forced some of the teams easy mistakes. This is the good part of our game. Energetic guys+Koşut is the recipe for being successful. That was a very well move from coach Günay. I will be happier if he can make the rotations wisely. Mert Celep or Ege Arar can get more minutes. They both bring toughness to the game no matter how.

Doğuş Özdemiroğlu: Great defensive guy and energetic. Quick hands, quick first step and tight defensive with high determination. Average offensive skills. Possible scenerio: A role player in average Turkish team

Berk Uğurlu: So agile, quick. He has taste for game and reads it well. Limited shooter. He needs to rely on his shooting. Possible scenerio: A starter for average Turkish team

Kartal Özmızrak: Mature for his age. High composure, acceptable shooting from the line, good mid range shooter, knows the game and great penetrating guard. P:S: A starter in Eurocup level team.

Doğukan Şanlı: Great shooter but almost zero in the other dimension of basketball. I can't see any future for him in high level. P:S: A starter in TB2L.

Okben Ulubay: The only prospect that I avoid making comment. He can experience the best and the worst. So many mental drawbacks for him. A pure talent but he looks like he doesn't enjoy basketball. I know the reason of his poser attitudes but anyway. I will give it a try. P:S: A starter in Euroleague level.

Tolga Geçim: My favourite Turkish prospect. High court vision, good dribbling and great passing ability. Terrible shooting mechanism. If he can improve his shoots, his potential can't be explained by the words. P:S: A starter in Euroleague level.

Metecan Birsen: A turnover machine. Lacks concentration during game. He is head in the clouds but still a pure talent and modern PF who wants to evolve in SF. P:S: A starter in Eurocup level team.

Ege Arar: He has improved himself a lot. A visible improvement. I really appreciate his efforts. Great rebound feel. Acceptable long range shoots and a warrior. He is on the right path for his career. P:S: Depends on where he will end up his potential. For now, A starter in Eurocup level team.

Berk Demir: He has a little bit everything for the game but nothing is complete. An undersized for his position that makes me worry about him. He needs to leap himself a little bit forward. P:S: A role player in mediocre Turkish team.

Mert Celep: He had a great season this year and I was expecting this call up. Acceptable post up game and mid range shoot. When I consider how much he has improved, I give a credit to him. P:S: A starter in mediocre Turkish team.

Emircan Koşut: Too skinny for his position but has a great wingspan and tendency for blocks. He feels the game. Especially in the defensive aspect. I have never seen such a great blocker like him in youth tournaments. He can be a good rim protector. P:S: If he bulks up, a role player in NBA, if he stays like this, a role player in Euroleague.

Muhsin Yaşar: Solid defensive guy but lacks so much things. He hasn't strong fundamental which ends up with mistakes. He has strong body and at least useful for defending strong opponents. P:S: A role player in mediocre Turkish team.

I expect a semi final from this team as I said before. If they manage to reach there, they will fulfill my expectation. I can't also say no to a medal but since I evaluate the potential of this team, semi final seems ok to me. I hope they will play better in finals. I trust their winner characters.

carlo
07-16-2015, 05:05 PM
Due to this year's Div. A comp system (from 20 to 16 teams), BIH, BUL, CRO and GRE have already been relegated to Div. B, and three others will be from classification group including GBR, POL, RUS and SLO.

auris1
07-17-2015, 10:14 AM
QUARTER-FINALS today.
Does anyone expect any surprises ? Which pair that would be? ESP-BEL ?
For me it is pretty straightforward , at least on paper .

auris1
07-17-2015, 06:15 PM
Go Latvia ,I guess.

slice me nice
07-17-2015, 06:37 PM
Superb full court press from Turkey! Latvia even couldn't find any solution against this tough defense. 5th consecutive semi final performance from Turkish youth national teams!

auris1
07-17-2015, 06:55 PM
Superb full court press from Turkey! Latvia even couldn't find any solution against this tough defense. 5th consecutive semi final performance from Turkish youth national teams!

i saw a very decent Turkish front court,dominating Latvians when they came as close as to 3 points in a third Q. But i did not watch the game in a great detail .

slice me nice
07-17-2015, 07:37 PM
Serbia is too dominant. Definitely the most complete team in this tournament. They have every type of player. Great variety in offense.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-17-2015, 07:45 PM
Russia was just way too sloppy to win this game. Popov and Gankevich and others in Russian frontcourt were missing shot after shot under the rim. If that wasn't the case with all those TO's and the way those occured, Slovenia was very beatable today. Mesiček was outmuscled this game, Nikolič standardly great and Barbarič is showing some promise that he actualy might develop into a usefull guard, I just love his body language.

auris1
07-17-2015, 07:52 PM
Serb 47- Lith 21 after a half.
What can you do? Just suck it up, I guess. Serbians are that much superior that somehow it is not fair. We should have like plus 30 handicap at least.

auris1
07-17-2015, 07:56 PM
Russia was just way too sloppy to win this game. Popov and Gankevich and others in Russian frontcourt were missing shot after shot under the rim. If that wasn't the case with all those TO's and the way those occured, Slovenia was very beatable today. Mesiček was outmuscled this game, Nikolič standardly great and Barbarič is showing some promise that he actualy might develop into a usefull guard, I just love his body language.
Congrats . I think you are that much closer to surviving than you ever believed ,right?

Joško Poljak Fan
07-17-2015, 08:33 PM
Congrats . I think you are that much closer to surviving than you ever believed ,right?
Very right. Game wise - we're not playing all that good, but than again most of the teams aren't either. MIght be the airconditioning in the arenas, as personaly I thought even U19 WC, same as last year's U20 was generaly played at a higher level. Roster wise, after as many guys missing we really don't have the talent pool to get over that easily, due to lack of height our offense can be pretty onedimensional and with the 203cm SF, thinest player on this tournament 18 y.o. Čančar actualy playing PF, I didn't really expect we'd be battleing for 13th place. We're basicaly being repeatedly saved by two great guard talents, Nikolič and Mesiček and that's about it.
While Turks suited our game style, from what I've seen thus far Spain, Serbia, Lithuania, France would have an easy job against this Slovenian team, repeatedly.

edit: watching Serbia - Lithuania, that's just what I've been saying. Way too many turnovers there, players slipping on the wet floor and I don't think that's entirely up to players. At least I think I wasn't happening as frequently on previous tournaments...

slice me nice
07-17-2015, 08:48 PM
Semi Finals:
France vs Spain
Turkey vs Serbia

After watching Serbian storm, it is certain we will have hard time against them. France and Spain have in same power tier and will be an interesting game that I guess.

Mr Chacho
07-17-2015, 09:27 PM
Spain has been playing well during the tournament, let's see vs France tomorrow. Hernangomez is the leader of this team, we depend a lot on what he does on the court (I wish him returning to Real Madrid like his older brother :p).

carlo
07-18-2015, 07:01 AM
Most interesting games and highly competitive Sf among the four best teams.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-18-2015, 05:25 PM
Spain destroying France thus far with their zone defense. 32-16

auris1
07-18-2015, 07:30 PM
Turkey bs Serbia .
Not sure who to support ,since I do not really like either team. Perhaps Serbs are playing more smart bb,not to say that Turks can not win . We shall see.
I go for Serbia to win ,anyways.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-18-2015, 07:50 PM
French comeback didn't work out. I did kind of get the feeling Spanish started with their zone a bit too soon as French adopted to it eventualy, if they only started with it in the second half I think it might even be tacticaly wiser as the outcome they achieved with it was clearly deliberate.
Loved Luwawu's energy and some French clearly have some big potential, but game wasn't played their way and they might give a bit bigger emphasis on the technical aspects with their selections. Lot of those players were physicals superior throught the tournament but after the U20 phase that advantage won't make as much of an effect there.
Spain has both, decent athletes, but not at an expense of their technical skills or game reading, it's quite obvious Spaniards have one of the biggest talent pool in europe to pick from at this particular moment. Just about any of their backcourt is perfectly able to contribute significantly on some individual game. Once it's Sans, the other time Martin, Abaldo, Garcia another time Moix or Alonso in their limited minutes. I suspected that the first game where their perimeter seemed fairly unimpressive untill they started with a full court press, but a lot of those guys could play some leading roles in quite some other U20 teams we've seen in this tournament, while put together in one team as noone is particulary dominating they tend to seem unimpressive, their team is stacked enough they don't really have to. Just the way bball is imo played best.

elturco
07-18-2015, 07:55 PM
The Biggest difference by two teams in the first half is Serbians can shoot, Turks can't. That is why Serbia is up by 12 points.

Srle
07-18-2015, 08:01 PM
Serbia have more creative guards than Turkey , to me that's the difference between two teams.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-18-2015, 08:05 PM
Serbs have a really nice combination of size and agility in this generation and most of their perimeter players can bring something different to the table. I like Davidovac, not an outstanding athlete yet makes it up by playing smart.

auris1
07-18-2015, 08:12 PM
So Lithuania will be playing for the 7 th place tomorrow . Good thing is that we avoided relegation .somehow. Bad thing is that we are so much behind top 4 teams. Good thing is that it does not really matter for the future ,since it will be individual players joining or not NT team. Bad news for us is that our best player was born and raised outside our country .
If you take away Sabonis from this team,that team would have gone down just like that. Still ,I enjoyed every single game this team played.

auris1
07-18-2015, 08:13 PM
Serbs have a really nice combination of size and agility in this generation and most of their perimeter players can bring something different to the table. I like Davidovac, not an outstanding athlete yet makes it up by playing smart.
Savanovic, right?

slice me nice
07-18-2015, 08:20 PM
One does not need a guide when the village is in sight. Turkish team has no one single fucking shooter. One single fucking shooter.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-18-2015, 08:32 PM
Savanovic, right?
Kind of, could be :)

slice me nice
07-18-2015, 09:02 PM
What a great attitude at the end from Serbian players (!). Did they see the same thing from Turkish players when they lose against us in 2012, 2013 and 2014? Anyway, still congratulations, the Serbs have really improved themselves. Great talents.

Srle
07-18-2015, 09:14 PM
That was a reaction to the dirty plays of turkish players during the entire game. I followed Rebic entire tournament , he was in the same situation several time, he would dribble the ball until time expires, but this time there was no mercy:)

slice me nice
07-18-2015, 09:21 PM
That was a reaction to the dirty plays of turkish players during the entire game. I followed Rebic entire tournament , he was in the same situation several time, he would dribble the ball until time expires, but this time there was no mercy:)

Not ethical, anyway you can appreciate it, your way of understanding from fair play. The game was a war of nerve that I accept it but no need this kind of immature actions. Doesn't seem good.

Srle
07-18-2015, 09:25 PM
I don't agree with his reaction but I can understand players too.

ThePeraCar
07-19-2015, 04:38 PM
Its funny when Turkey talk about sportsmanship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA47Y1RzJqk
https://vine.co/v/erLD29DntU1

Srle
07-19-2015, 04:45 PM
Tejic broke his thumb in practice , he will miss the final today, huge loss for Serbia.

slice me nice
07-19-2015, 05:38 PM
Pure Turkish domination in the first half. French team can't cope with full court press. Also returning the only shooter of team Şanlı has made the difference. HT: 46-27 for Turkey. We should play like this. Yesterday France made a great comeback. We ought to be careful.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-19-2015, 05:59 PM
Huge second half for Slovenia 19-4 in the 3rd 26-11 in 4th and overall and we stayed in the A division.

christodoulou76
07-19-2015, 06:32 PM
Huge second half for Slovenia 19-4 in the 3rd 26-11 in 4th and overall and we stayed in the A division.

Congratulations!! Well-deserved!

slice me nice
07-19-2015, 06:52 PM
Türkiye!!Bravo guys, we take the podium one more time. Medal is medal but we have to admit the team has a lot of things to improve. Let's make the criticism later :)

c-myers
07-19-2015, 08:09 PM
Jaramaz reminds me Goran Dragic. He just need to fill out his frame has razors on his feet, speedy, lethal weapon in transition.

Mr Chacho
07-19-2015, 08:55 PM
We cant win if Serbia makes that crazy shots with one defender on the Serbian faces. Congrats to Serbia, one more time they proved that they have the best shooters.

Paco should improve as a coach, Im sure he will learn a lot being Lolaso's assistant. We have a great generation, and with hard work, they will be important player for our Senior team.

Edit: I posted too soon, but another crazy shot from Serbia. Never give up, this is the proper attitude.

ThePeraCar
07-19-2015, 09:05 PM
whats wrong with the floor

Srle
07-19-2015, 09:22 PM
Hopefullyt Guduric will get playing time with Red Star in upcoming season .

Obina
07-19-2015, 09:25 PM
Can't wait to see Guduric in Zvezda next season.

Serbia won this championship without Jokic (Denver), Ristic (Arizona) and also without Tejic in the final.

Congrats to Spain for fair fight, Hernangomez is a huge talent.

ThePeraCar
07-19-2015, 09:31 PM
Me too Guduric is super talent cant wait to see him next year i hope he will get minutes in EL atleast 10,i bet he could perform better than Blazic last season,i hope Radonjic knows this on another side i see this generation wont fall apart like last one,i hope every player of this generation will make great career and procceed to senior NT,you can see it alredy,imagine if Tejic and Jokic were here we would win this with 20 difference,anyway Hernangomez is awsome and that guy Diop is noob,btw Jaramaz is great he just needs to train alot and i see him next year alredy in some of the top european clubs

Mr Chacho
07-19-2015, 09:45 PM
Me too Guduric is super talent cant wait to see him next year i hope he will get minutes in EL atleast 10,i bet he could perform better than Blazic last season,i hope Radonjic knows this on another side i see this generation wont fall apart like last one,i hope every player of this generation will make great career and procceed to senior NT,you can see it alredy,imagine if Tejic and Jokic were here we would win this with 20 difference,anyway Hernangomez is awsome and that guy Diop is noob,btw Jaramaz is great he just needs to train alot and i see him next year alredy in some of the top european clubs

Well, every situation is different. Perhaps with Jokic and Tejic,the others players would have played worse. But Serbia was the best team with or without the mentioned players.

I need to see the Hernangomez brothers at Real Madrid.

c-myers
07-19-2015, 09:51 PM
Congratz to serbian friends well deserved championship! They were great throughout the tourney but so many temas missed their key players not just Serbia. The first things that comes to mind Croatia played without their best players hezonja-marinelli-arapovic-Ivan Bender etc. Turkey Osman-Sipahi-Guven- Latvia Porzingis-Pasecnics France missed 6-7 key players.

ThePeraCar
07-19-2015, 09:52 PM
Well, every situation is different. Perhaps with Jokic and Tejic,the others players would have played worse. But Serbia was the best team with or without the mentoned players.

I need to see the Hernangomez brothers at Real Madrid.

Yes ur right,i dont know about that not right now i dont think they would get minutes in RM,they should go to Unicaja or Valencia or smth like that

Mr Chacho
07-19-2015, 09:57 PM
Yes ur right,i dont know about that not right now i dont think they would get minutes in RM,they should go to Unicaja or Valencia or smth like that

Juancho played in the Real Madrid youth teams when Real signed his older brother Willy. He averaged 10 minutes per game at Estudiantes the last season and he finishes his contract on the next. Signing him and giving him on loan would be the perfect movement.

ThePeraCar
07-19-2015, 09:59 PM
Juancho played in the Real Madrid youth teams when Real sihned his older brother Willy. He averaged 10 minutes per game at Estudiantes the last season and he finishes his contract on the next. Signing him and give him on loan would be the perfect movement.

ur watching it from perspective whats best for ur club,im watching it from position what would be best for him,but i guess loan would be good percfect deal for him he would play even better knowing that if he plays good he will get in RM and he would get space in some other club i think some eurocup club would be great for him

Mr Chacho
07-19-2015, 10:06 PM
ur watching it from perspective whats best for ur club,im watching it from position what would be best for him,but i guess loan would be good percfect deal for him he would play even better knowing that if he plays good he will get in RM and he would get space in some other club i think some eurocup club would be great for him

Totally agree.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-19-2015, 10:07 PM
Congrats Serbia, quite expected even if I wasn't all that sure after Tejić's injury. Missed all the big games today, so I can't comment on them gamewise. Gudurić being an MVP was more than deserved, overall the best player on this tournament when taking the team's strenght into account.

carlo
07-20-2015, 07:52 AM
With this year competition format, some historic best nations like Croatia and Greece will play next year in Div.B!

Levenspiel
07-20-2015, 09:49 AM
With this year competition format, some historic best nations like Croatia and Greece will play next year in Div.B!
And those teams will have u18/u19 medalists, semi-finalists in the rosters. if they come, of course. then we'll see 80-point blowouts against some weaker teams.

Victorious
07-20-2015, 10:41 AM
With this year competition format, some historic best nations like Croatia and Greece will play next year in Div.B!

This system doesn't make much sense. Relegation should be based on a bottom up format, not a top to bottom.
I.e. If Greece U18 relegates, then the year after they should play the U20 tournament in Division B.

If an U20 team wins gold or relegates, then that should not be relevant.

Any case, Division A or B. The pool of talent for that country at that age group remains the same. But I guess it is a lost opportunity for the youngsters to gain some experience against better teams.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-20-2015, 01:28 PM
Finland, Sweden and Hungary will be promoted to div A. Hungary has beaten Montenegro in the game for the 3rd place, meaning there is one more ussualy talented team that'll battle for Div A next year.