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Joško Poljak Fan
12-21-2014, 01:34 PM
As draftexpress (http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/International--94/) indicates the big-man bias is indeed a big one. And eurohopes (http://www.eurohopes.com/rankings/1994) shares their beliefs as well.

class of 94' is somewhat already expected to produce a bit, yet to my taste they're right now somewhat underwhealming


1-2 Antetekoumpo and Šarić. The first is ... well a Greek freak and the second somewhat makes up for that athletical difference with his IQ and fundamentals.
3. Mamadou Jaiteh is of course intriguing due to his strenght. He should get to NBA, however apart from strenght he could use some...
4. ... technical knowledge Milutinov is able to provide, however he could use some of Jaiteh's physical abilities. Nikola is having some decent performances with Partizan however in most instances he is somewhat underwealming. He is still my clear cut into this top group obviously as he is basicaly 1 day away from being born in 96. And that's one of the factors coaches throughout europe still tend to neglect.
5. Agravanis. I don't understand where exactly do I disagree with most of the talent rankings, but as far as euro bball goes, Agravanis has most of the stuff to be able to succed. Unlike most physical guys, he doesn't excell at it, yet brings a lot more through the technical perspective

I can only realisticaly comment on the players I've seen on some instances, meaning some players might be left out as ussual...
Bochoridis should develop into a nice SG, his decent athleticism brings quite some upside, but from those limited minutes of him I've seen I failed to see an aspect he'd really excell at - which is ussualy seen quite fast with those top-notch talents, upgrading on other stuff later.
Had a really bad luck with Dimsa, any time I've seen him he played bad. I am more of a Grigonis fan as far as Lithuanians go fromwhat I've seen.
Last year I was really intrigued by Boris Dallo, after his U20 showcase, right now he'd be expected to show much more with Partizan, got some really decent chances, while not performing as one would expect and his status has been downgraded with his team. The next season will be vital for him.
Nikola Ivanović has been with Budućnost since he was 16. As ussual people raged about him as they always do when a 16 y.o. gets a chance at the level, however recently I've got a feeling a lot of guys caught up with him. When PG's are in question, they're incredibly hard to develop and he might have a break-though next season (same as Dallo), however he dropped a few places in most scout books
Dimitry Kulagin could become a helluva player, has range, good technics and decent athleticism to complement all that. However when I watched him he was clearly forcing things up - if that's a matter of his lack of experience he'll be fine, however if that comes from his personality his ceiling automatical gets lowered.

Out of the SLO guys I see the most:
Tomaž Bolčina has one good advantage, he can't get pushed around a lot, however seems as a bit of a troubled player, picks up fast fouls and lack that typical inside technique for something more.
Erjon Kastrati is making some progress, however doesn't really excell at anything. Might develop into an euroleague starting SF oneday, but I don't think he'll be the reason some euroleague team would be winning one title after another.
Gregor Hrovat is generaly missed on these lists. His major shortcomings are that he is more of a SF with 196cm than a SG and his streaky shot, however he has god bball IQ and is a pain in the ass defensively, which could eventualy make him develop into a really good specialist on higher levels.

Oly_fan
12-21-2014, 03:50 PM
You're forgetting Papapetrou. He's had bad luck with injuries (thankfully, no recurring problems) but he was the best player of that greek youth team a year ago.

Joško Poljak Fan
12-21-2014, 04:33 PM
He probably isn't the only one I forgot :) I've noticed him in one or two games last year and he definately looks nice, alround decently athletic SF, just the way I like them. You guys have some really good generations coming up. Just finishing these 94+95 threads reminded me there is a whole bunch of Greeks that imo should do very well in the future.

Levenspiel
12-29-2014, 12:41 PM
Except for Antetekoumpo and Saric, both of whom are obviously gonna have bright careers, the 94 generation has actually been very quiet...

As for Turkish ones, some of whom won the gold at last u20, there are not many promising individual prospects... Tayfun Erulku is a very smart PG/SG, and team leader, and he's getting regular minutes in TBL with Tofas this year... he might have a place in decent teams, but don't think he'll get far...

Talat Altunbey might end up good as well, an athletic PF... Not much of an idea on Burak Can Yildizli, but once he was considered to be good...

pohani komarac
12-29-2014, 09:59 PM
After Blassingame left Cibona Dominik Mavra grabed chance and started to play to expectations. Had big games vs Igokea and Zvezda and big role in comback vs Olimpija. I allways saw bit of Mulamerovic in his game, hope I'm not wrong, we desperetly need some young PG's.

pohani komarac
01-02-2015, 09:07 AM
Jusuf Nurkic last 11 games 8,3pts, 5,9rb, 1,1 blocks

Srle
01-02-2015, 04:11 PM
Dejan Todorovic(Bilbao), Nikola Radicevic(Seville) , hopefully we see them both at the national team training camp this summer, especially Todorovic .

pohani komarac
01-04-2015, 08:54 AM
Jusuf just loves Gasol bros. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0qWTbdFqmo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QcpvoF3LnY

Srle
01-05-2015, 01:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Asv27TC3o

Toja
01-12-2015, 09:05 PM
I don't sure that he belongs to here but Mario Hezonja is going to play in the NBA in couple of years. great talent.
Edit: just saw the 95 year prospects.

Victorious
01-12-2015, 11:04 PM
You're forgetting Papapetrou. He's had bad luck with injuries (thankfully, no recurring problems) but he was the best player of that greek youth team a year ago.

When is he going to play again? Will be hard for him to get in action in the top 16.

BiHBasket
02-12-2015, 05:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_38xRpFWhI

Straight forward
04-24-2015, 11:42 AM
I have little trust in Eurohopes on how they value talents. My impression that either their slow in updating or just working lazy overall. Obviously having the best criteria by how they value Lithuanians.

93# Gudaitis listed as 8# while realistically now he has little or none competition in this age group. Draftexpress put him No.1 and seems no-one is really close these days.
94's - Dimša 8#, Grigonis 17#. That's just silly. Dimša never had an edge over Grigonis and no-days it's even more obvious.

slice me nice
04-24-2015, 02:02 PM
I have little trust in Eurohopes on how they value talents. My impression that either their slow in updating or just working lazy overall. Obviously having the best criteria by how they value Lithuanians.

93# Gudaitis listed as 8# while realistically now he has little or none competition in this age group. Draftexpress put him No.1 and seems no-one is really close these days.
94's - Dimša 8#, Grigonis 17#. That's just silly. Dimša never had an edge over Grigonis and no-days it's even more obvious.

Eurohopes just screwed up. They even don't update their lists though. That site was one of my favourite about hoops but since they don't work on age groups, I stopped to follow that them. I hope they will return their bright times when they were very successful about this listing things.

I also find this age class so weak. Except Saric and Greek freak, I can't see any player who will make impact in near future.

Joško Poljak Fan
04-24-2015, 02:48 PM
Eurohopes just screwed up. They even don't update their lists though. That site was one of my favourite about hoops but since they don't work on age groups, I stopped to follow that them. I hope they will return their bright times when they were very successful about this listing things.

I also find this age class so weak. Except Saric and Greek freak, I can't see any player who will make impact in near future.
Well, I kind of don't see it that way.
Nurkić will definately make an impact unless he gets stopped by injuries. And that's 3 relatively big impact guys out of the class, with some others following, not neccesarily becoming worldwide stars but a decent euroleague players: Agravanis, Milutinov, Jaiteh definately has the physical attributes to play at a really high level, don't forget about Hernangomez and that's just the big guys where predicting succes is a bit easier while we'll have to wait and see what happens with guards that might make an impact later.

94' class might look a bit weaker compared to 95' one with Hezonja, Osman, Porzigins and quite a deep list of players that might make some decent impact, but it's still stronger than 93' class after Berzins, Van Oostrum, Ponitka as ones of the biggest hopes of that generation kind of underdeveloped.

slice me nice
04-24-2015, 04:18 PM
Well, I kind of don't see it that way.
Nurkić will definately make an impact unless he gets stopped by injuries. And that's 3 relatively big impact guys out of the class, with some others following, not neccesarily becoming worldwide stars but a decent euroleague players: Agravanis, Milutinov, Jaiteh definately has the physical attributes to play at a really high level, don't forget about Hernangomez and that's just the big guys where predicting succes is a bit easier while we'll have to wait and see what happens with guards that might make an impact later.

94' class might look a bit weaker compared to 95' one with Hezonja, Osman, Porzigins and quite a deep list of players that might make some decent impact, but it's still stronger than 93' class after Berzins, Van Oostrum, Ponitka as ones of the biggest hopes of that generation kind of underdeveloped.

Yeah, I forgot Nurkic the Bosnian bear but still he has less potential than Saric and Greek freak. I also like Jaiteh. He is a good athlete, but I am not sure if he has enough fundamental for playing in higher level. That fundamental problems can pull down his career because he struggles with basic concepts of basketball like travelling, unnecessary offensive fouls etc. He should minimize his mistakes.

For Agravanis, I think he couldn't leap forward his game. He avoids physical contact in game even though he is strong physically. I would like to see active Agravanis in hustles. He needs to do this.

Hernangomez is a kind of modern center that I like. His footworks are really good but a little bit slow. He even started to shoot from mid range and behind the arc that make him valuable player. I liked him during the U-20 championship, and one of my candidate for MVP award but Turkey finished it as champ and Osman scooped the award up.

I haven't watched Milutinov and can't make comment on him.

Yeah there are some quality guys but I don't see them make impact on short term. Maybe there will be some unspoken players, who never got attention from people and never be thought as prospect, in the top of European basketball.

miloje
05-13-2015, 03:52 PM
rasmus larsen found dead. RIP

slice me nice
05-13-2015, 04:03 PM
He was the brightest Danish prospect. Rest in Peace.

Efesdxb
05-13-2015, 05:13 PM
RIP Rasmus Larsen...