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Alyosha12
09-02-2013, 11:36 AM
Hey guys, i made a top 15 chart for every position, what do you think?
C:
1. M. Gasol (spa)
2. Nenad Krstic (srb)
3. Ante Tomič (cro)
4. Nikola Vucevic (mtn)
5. Marcin Gortat (pol)
6. Ioannis Bourousis (gre)
7. Omer Asik (tur)
8. Jonas Valanciunas (lit)
9. Gasper Vidmar (slo)
10. Erden Semih (tur)
11. Mirza Begic (slo)
12. Maciej Lampe (pol)
13. Darjus Lavrinovic (lit)
14. Semih Erden (tur)
15. Alexis Ajinca (fra)

PF:
1. Linas Kleiza (lit)
2. Ersan Ilyasova (tur)
3. Jonas Jerebko (swe)
4. Mirza Teletovic (bih)
5. K. Lavrinovic (lit)
6. D. Montiejunas (lit)
7. Boštjan Nachbar (slo)
8. Antonis Fotsis (gre)
9. L. Mavrokefalidis (gre)
10. Pero Antic (fyrm)
11. Boris Diaw (fra)
12. Bojan Dubljević (mtn)
13. Victor Claver (spa)
14. Jan Vesely (czk)
15. Viktor Sanikadze (geo)

SF:
1. Nicolas Batum (fre)
2. Fernando San Emeterio (spa)
3. Nemanja Bjelica (srb)
4. Bojan Bogdanović (cro)
5. Kostas Papanikolau (gre)
6. Vladimir Dasic (mtn)
7. Emir Predzic (tur)
8. Omri Casspi (isr)
9. Lior Eliyahu (isr)
10. Jonas Maciulis (lit)
11. Luigi Datome (ita)
12. Hidayet Turkoglu (tur)
13. Manuchar Markoishvilli (geo)
14. Zoran Dragic (slo)
15. Stratos Perperoglou (gre)

SG:
1. Vasilis Spanoulis (gre)
2. Rudy Fernandez (spa)
3. Alexey Shved (rus)
4. Pietro Aradori (ita)
5. Jaka Blazic (slo)
6. Reinaldas Seibutis (lit)
7. Krunoslav Simon (cro)
8. Ricky Hickman (geo)
9. Martynas Pocius (lit)
10. Nemanja Nedovic (srb)
11. Zach Wright (bih)
12. Stefan Marković (srb)
13. Vitalij Fridzon (rus)
14. Travis Diener (ita)
15. Anton Ponkrashov (rus)

PG:
1. Tony Parker (fra)
2. BO McCalebb (fyrm)
3. Goran Dragic (slo)
4. Ricky Rubio (spa)
5. Roko Ukic (cro)
6. Sergio Llull (spa)
7. Nando De Colo (fra)
8. Jose Calderon (spa)
9. Dontaye Draper (cro)
10. Nikolaos Zissis (gre)
11. Petteri Koponen (fin)
12. Lucasz Koszarek (pol)
13. Matas Kalnietis (lit)
14. Jaka Lakovic (slo)
15. Vlado Ilievski (fyrm)

* If Teodosic will be ready to play i would put him in front of Rubio. Greece has the best SG of the tournament and a top 10 player in every position. France has the best player in the SF and PG position and if you rank De Colo as a SG (i do not) they would have a top 15 player in every position, though their C position is weak as Ajinca could have been replaced at the 15th spot by a number of players. Lithuania has the best PF of the tournament and a top 10 player in every position expect for PG, also except for PG (and SF) they have at least 2 top 15 players in every position, which makes them the deepest team of the tournament. Slovenia has a top 15 player at every position (but that could be a case of homerism by me).

Based on this, you can see where certain teams have weaknesses. Spain is still the best team all around. It has a top 15 player at every position and a top 5 player in 4 out of 5 positions. Greece is the runner up, then Lithuania.

France is the only team that has 2 #1 players in the starting 5, but they don't have a C in the top 10 and a PF, thats why their success is questionable.

My power ranking would be:
Spain
Greece
Lithuania
France
Slovenia
Croatia
Serbia
Turkey
Russia
FYRM
Poland
Monte Negro
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Italy
Israel

Now i understand that this could never be the final standing because of group distribution. It is just a power ranking.

Italian Pride
09-02-2013, 12:10 PM
Hey guys, i made a top 15 chart for every position, what do you think?
C:
1. M. Gasol (spa)
2. Nenad Krstic (srb)
3. Ante Tomič (cro)
4. Nikola Vucevic (mtn)
5. Marcin Gortat (pol)
6. Ioannis Bourousis (gre)
7. Omer Asik (tur)
8. Jonas Valanciunas (lit)
9. Gasper Vidmar (slo)
10. Erden Semih (tur)
11. Mirza Begic (slo)
12. Maciej Lampe (pol)
13. Darjus Lavrinovic (lit)
14. Semih Erden (tur)
15. Alexis Ajinca (fra)

PF:
1. Linas Kleiza (lit)
2. Ersan Ilyasova (tur)
3. Jonas Jerebko (swe)
4. Mirza Teletovic (bih)
5. K. Lavrinovic (lit)
6. D. Montiejunas (lit)
7. Boštjan Nachbar (slo)
8. Antonis Fotsis (gre)
9. L. Mavrokefalidis (gre)
10. Pero Antic (fyrm)
11. Boris Diaw (fra)
12. Bojan Dubljević (mtn)
13. Victor Claver (spa)
14. Jan Vesely (czk)
15. Viktor Sanikadze (geo)

SF:
1. Nicolas Batum (fre)
2. Fernando San Emeterio (spa)
3. Nemanja Bjelica (srb)
4. Bojan Bogdanović (cro)
5. Kostas Papanikolau (gre)
6. Vladimir Dasic (mtn)
7. Emir Predzic (tur)
8. Omri Casspi (isr)
9. Lior Eliyahu (isr)
10. Jonas Maciulis (lit)
11. Luigi Datome (ita)
12. Hidayet Turkoglu (tur)
13. Manuchar Markoishvilli (geo)
14. Zoran Dragic (slo)
15. Stratos Perperoglou (gre)

SG:
1. Vasilis Spanoulis (gre)
2. Rudy Fernandez (spa)
3. Alexey Shved (rus)
4. Pietro Aradori (ita)
5. Jaka Blazic (slo)
6. Reinaldas Seibutis (lit)
7. Krunoslav Simon (cro)
8. Ricky Hickman (isr)
9. Martynas Pocius (lit)
10. Nemanja Nedovic (srb)
11. Zach Wright (bih)
12. Stefan Marković (srb)
13. Vitalij Fridzon (rus)
14. Travis Diener (ita)
15. Anton Ponkrashov (rus)

PG:
1. Tony Parker (fra)
2. BO McCalebb (fyrm)
3. Goran Dragic (slo)
4. Ricky Rubio (spa)
5. Roko Ukic (cro)
6. Sergio Llull (spa)
7. Nando De Colo (fra)
8. Jose Calderon (spa)
9. Dontaye Draper (cro)
10. Nikolaos Zissis (gre)
11. Petteri Koponen (fin)
12. Lucasz Koszarek (pol)
13. Matas Kalnietis (lit)
14. Jaka Lakovic (slo)
15. Vlado Ilievski (fyrm)

IMO GOrtat and asik are top 3...

lampe is top 5 like PF...

elyahus isn't a SF...

maciulis better than datome?i completely disagree...

aradori fouth in the guards?and belinelli? :D

T.diener is a pure PG,IMO in top 10 in the next EC...

Levenspiel
09-02-2013, 12:22 PM
Understandably, not a single Turkish player for 1 & 2 spots... That's our glaring weakness obviously...
on the other hand, Omer Asik is underrrated... He's a defensive player, lacks fancy moves, but I'd rank him 3rd...

ps. Ricky Hickman is playing for Georgia.

Alyosha12
09-02-2013, 12:24 PM
Simply because they play in the NBA does not make Gortat and Asik top 3 center. Both of them have major issues in their game. Gortat is not very bright. Doesn't play defense, can't defend the pnr to save his life and has not outside touch. Tomic and Krstic are both better. Asik is may be a bit low, he could be higher, but i just don't trust him tbh.

TOTALLY forgot about Belinelli. Put him in #4 for SGs in front of Aradori. I simply like Aradori. I simply really like the way he plays. He is a great player and a fantastic shooter. He has a mid range game, which is rare to see today and he can hit a 3pter with 50%+ efficiency. The SG spot in this years EC is very weak. The SG position in general i feel is dying out.

Also IMO Eliyahu will play the SF spot for Israel, just like he did for Vitoria.

Alyosha12
09-02-2013, 12:26 PM
Understandably, not a single Turkish player for 1 & 2 spots... That's our glaring weakness obviously...
on the other hand, Omer Asik is underrrated... He's a defensive player, lacks fancy moves, but I'd rank him 3rd...

ps. Ricky Hickman is playing for Georgia.


I could be persuaded to put Asik higher TBH but # 4 is as high as i'd put him. The #4-8 spot at C are interchangeable IMO.

Italian Pride
09-02-2013, 12:51 PM
Simply because they play in the NBA does not make Gortat and Asik top 3 center. Both of them have major issues in their game. Gortat is not very bright. Doesn't play defense, can't defend the pnr to save his life and has not outside touch. Tomic and Krstic are both better. Asik is may be a bit low, he could be higher, but i just don't trust him tbh.

TOTALLY forgot about Belinelli. Put him in #4 for SGs in front of Aradori. I simply like Aradori. I simply really like the way he plays. He is a great player and a fantastic shooter. He has a mid range game, which is rare to see today and he can hit a 3pter with 50%+ efficiency. The SG spot in this years EC is very weak. The SG position in general i feel is dying out.

Also IMO Eliyahu will play the SF spot for Israel, just like he did for Vitoria.
Tomic and Krstic play defense better than Gortat?

i like Aradori,but in the defensive side he often is a scrubs...

Elyahy will play PF,because Casspi and Pnini will plya SF...

then,T.Diener is second only to Parker,Mccalebb,,Rubio,Calderon and Dragic... :)

Alyosha12
09-02-2013, 01:18 PM
Tomic and Krstic play defense better than Gortat?

i like Aradori,but in the defensive side he often is a scrubs...

Elyahy will play PF,because Casspi and Pnini will plya SF...

then,T.Diener is second only to Parker,Mccalebb,,Rubio,Calderon and Dragic... :)

Krsitc and Tomic are way better team defenders then Gortat, plus better offensive players IMO. But again those rankings are my personal opinion, we can disagree. I just know, i would rather have Krstic or Tomic on my team then Gortat, and i would rather have Aradori on my team then any other player i mentioned under him.

adamosmaki
09-02-2013, 01:28 PM
Seems good though i would definitely put Printezis in the top 4-5 considering how much he improved the last 2-3 years

Alyosha12
09-02-2013, 01:31 PM
Seems good though i would definitely put Printezis in the top 4-5 considering how much he improved the last 2-3 years

I was eying Printezis, i just didn't know where to put him and instead of who. The PF position is definitely the deepest. 5 other players could have been on the list as well.

Italian Pride
09-02-2013, 01:36 PM
Krsitc and Tomic are way better team defenders then Gortat, plus better offensive players IMO. But again those rankings are my personal opinion, we can disagree. I just know, i would rather have Krstic or Tomic on my team then Gortat, and i would rather have Aradori on my team then any other player i mentioned under him.

yes,this is your opinion,i don't want to debate...

Pagat77
09-02-2013, 01:47 PM
Blažić 5th among SG! He is not even number 15!

Joško Poljak Fan
09-02-2013, 01:59 PM
@Alyosha12, I've moved the posts concerning your rankings to another thread, if you don't mind, as by my experience this thread might become a long discussion.

@Pagat, I kind of agree he isn't exactly no.5, but it's really hard to judge as on a good day he is clearly no.4 and on a bad day somewhere around 30 or less, with very rare chances of him going the middle way :)

pimpekaustas
09-02-2013, 02:04 PM
great effort Aljoša! looking at list croatia doesnt seem so bad with PF position beeing only one we dont have anyone in top 15 but we do have star in making dario saric on that position. fine by me :D

Dreamcatcher
09-02-2013, 02:06 PM
to Alyosha12

No way Pankrashov is sg, he's pg. Shved is combo guard, more sg than pg - it's true, but he will play pg a lot, cause Bykov is out, Pankrashov won't play long minutes and Kvostov is for bench. I would include Monya - he's sf, but is going to play pf also/more cause of absenties Khryapa and Vorontsevich. Nevertheless, he's a small forward.

Nedovic is sg? He played only pg in L.Rytas last season. I didn't see him in NT, but with Teodosic out i see him playing pg.

Overall it's ok - it's your opinion. I expect Kuzminskas to shine in Euro - maybe to perform better than Maciulis and lots of small forwards from other countries.

Dr. Martin
09-02-2013, 02:10 PM
Rasko Katic is missing :cool:
Most of you probably don't know him, but you will meet him in couple of days :D

christodoulou76
09-02-2013, 02:22 PM
Awesome list.:) I love it. Printezis has to be in the top 10 of PFs. In fact, he should probably be higher than Fotsis who I don't think necessarily has to be there. Also, FSE is probably too high since he is really just a role player on the Spanish NT. I would put Llull above Ukic. Datome should be much higher than Maciulis. Motiejunas is too high. Lampe, Asik and Gortat should probably be a little higher. Certainly Lampe should be higher than Begic. I would move Antic up a little because he will have such a central role for his NT in this tournament. I would move Casspi above Preldzic. Very cool stuff overall. :cool:

pohani komarac
09-02-2013, 03:24 PM
Rasko Katic is missing :cool:
Most of you probably don't know him, but you will meet him in couple of days :D

With Marko Car dirtiest player ever. He should be baned from basketball

Alyosha12
09-02-2013, 03:36 PM
Blažić 5th among SG! He is not even number 15!

So tell me why the other SGs I ranked behind him are better? Seibutis is a bit better offensively, but is a worse rebounder and defender. Simon is the same as Seibutis. All three are interchangeable, i just like Blazic more, because he is a high energy guy, who when he is on, is almost unstoppable. Plus his defense is great. Other then that, i don't see which one out of the rest would even come close.

Though i did totally forget about Bellineli. He should be ranked in front of Blazic and Aradori.


Awesome list.:) I love it. Printezis has to be in the top 10 of PFs. In fact, he should probably be higher than Fotsis who I don't think necessarily has to be there. Also, FSE is probably too high since he is really just a role player on the Spanish NT. I would put Llull above Ukic, but Llull might play more at SG in this tournament. Datome should be much higher than Maciulis. Motiejunas is too high. Lampe, Asik and Gortat should probably be a little higher. Certainly Lampe should be higher than Begic. I would move Antic up a little because he will have such a central role for his NT in this tournament. I would move Casspi above Preldzic. Very cool stuff overall. :cool:

I may have made a mistake not putting Printezis on the list. That is true. FSE being a role player for Spain says more about the Spanish NT then him as a player. He is still second on my list of players i would want to play SF on my team. I could be persuaded to put Datome as high as #7.

IDK about Lampe, he has always seemed limited to me. I just don't think his BBIQ is high enough for him to be higher ATM, though Begic is no rocket scientist neither lol.

And Casspi as far as i'm concerned is too one denominational to be higher.

Tnx for the input guys. I would also like to see at least your top 5 list.

And tbh i am surprised none has mentioned that i put Dragic in front of Rubio lol

Alyosha12
09-02-2013, 03:37 PM
With Marko Car dirtiest player ever. He should be baned from basketball

Truer words have never been spoken.

Alyosha12
09-02-2013, 03:42 PM
great effort Aljoša! looking at list croatia doesnt seem so bad with PF position beeing only one we dont have anyone in top 15 but we do have star in making dario saric on that position. fine by me :D

Well you guys do have Zoric to play behind Tomic, and Markota is not bad, and as you said you have Saric so i think you front court is still very good.

pimpekaustas
09-02-2013, 03:43 PM
rudy fernandez is dirtier, plus very ugly. he should be banned first :cool:

Israeli_Machine
09-02-2013, 04:07 PM
I have few remarks to write,first in my opinion Omri Casspi should be higher on the Small Forwards list,around the fifth or the fourth spot.
Another remark is that Lior Eliyahu is not a SF, he plays as a PF and he definately deserve a spot in the list there.
Hmmm about the Centers I think that Nikola Vucevic,Omer Asik and Marcin Gortat should be ranked higher,they are absolutely better the Tomic for example.
And I also believe Yogev Ohayon has a spot in the top 15 Point Guards.

wardjdim
09-02-2013, 06:31 PM
Hey guys, i made a top 15 chart for every position, what do you think?
C:
1. M. Gasol (spa)
2. Nenad Krstic (srb)
3. Ante Tomič (cro)
4. Nikola Vucevic (mtn)
5. Marcin Gortat (pol)
6. Ioannis Bourousis (gre)
7. Omer Asik (tur)
8. Jonas Valanciunas (lit)
9. Gasper Vidmar (slo)
10. Erden Semih (tur)
11. Mirza Begic (slo)
12. Maciej Lampe (pol)
13. Darjus Lavrinovic (lit)
14. Semih Erden (tur)
15. Alexis Ajinca (fra)

PF:
1. Linas Kleiza (lit)
2. Ersan Ilyasova (tur)
3. Jonas Jerebko (swe)
4. Mirza Teletovic (bih)
5. K. Lavrinovic (lit)
6. D. Montiejunas (lit)
7. Boštjan Nachbar (slo)
8. Antonis Fotsis (gre)
9. L. Mavrokefalidis (gre)
10. Pero Antic (fyrm)
11. Boris Diaw (fra)
12. Bojan Dubljević (mtn)
13. Victor Claver (spa)
14. Jan Vesely (czk)
15. Viktor Sanikadze (geo)

SF:
1. Nicolas Batum (fre)
2. Fernando San Emeterio (spa)
3. Nemanja Bjelica (srb)
4. Bojan Bogdanović (cro)
5. Kostas Papanikolau (gre)
6. Vladimir Dasic (mtn)
7. Emir Predzic (tur)
8. Omri Casspi (isr)
9. Lior Eliyahu (isr)
10. Jonas Maciulis (lit)
11. Luigi Datome (ita)
12. Hidayet Turkoglu (tur)
13. Manuchar Markoishvilli (geo)
14. Zoran Dragic (slo)
15. Stratos Perperoglou (gre)

SG:
1. Vasilis Spanoulis (gre)
2. Rudy Fernandez (spa)
3. Alexey Shved (rus)
4. Pietro Aradori (ita)
5. Jaka Blazic (slo)
6. Reinaldas Seibutis (lit)
7. Krunoslav Simon (cro)
8. Ricky Hickman (geo)
9. Martynas Pocius (lit)
10. Nemanja Nedovic (srb)
11. Zach Wright (bih)
12. Stefan Marković (srb)
13. Vitalij Fridzon (rus)
14. Travis Diener (ita)
15. Anton Ponkrashov (rus)

PG:
1. Tony Parker (fra)
2. BO McCalebb (fyrm)
3. Goran Dragic (slo)
4. Ricky Rubio (spa)
5. Roko Ukic (cro)
6. Sergio Llull (spa)
7. Nando De Colo (fra)
8. Jose Calderon (spa)
9. Dontaye Draper (cro)
10. Nikolaos Zissis (gre)
11. Petteri Koponen (fin)
12. Lucasz Koszarek (pol)
13. Matas Kalnietis (lit)
14. Jaka Lakovic (slo)
15. Vlado Ilievski (fyrm)
Good attempt but several confusions regarding the positions

For example, Nemanja Bjelica plays PF in the friendlies. Spanoulis plays PG and Zisis SG for Greece. Shved full time PG. Rudy full time SF and Calderon full time PG for Spain. Same with Llull. Full time PG. Markoishvilli is not a SF. Belinelli is not on your list. De Colo plays full time SG. Eliyahu is not a SF. He will play PF for Israel and Mavrokefalidis will play center only, since there are already 3 PFs for the Greeks. Lampe should probably be ranked as a PF, since he'll mostly play there

Other than that, I have several disagreements regarding your rankings but that's irrelevant to that post now

Alyosha12
09-03-2013, 06:58 AM
Good attempt but several confusions regarding the positions

For example, Nemanja Bjelica plays PF in the friendlies. Spanoulis plays PG and Zisis SG for Greece. Shved full time PG. Rudy full time SF and Calderon full time PG for Spain. Same with Llull. Full time PG. Markoishvilli is not a SF. Belinelli is not on your list. De Colo plays full time SG. Eliyahu is not a SF. He will play PF for Israel and Mavrokefalidis will play center only, since there are already 3 PFs for the Greeks. Lampe should probably be ranked as a PF, since he'll mostly play there

Other than that, I have several disagreements regarding your rankings but that's irrelevant to that post now

Well to be honest i really didn't pay attention to the tweeners you mentioned. Most players on your list can play two or more positions, and it really didn't matter where on my list they are, because they would most likely make it in the top 15 in more then one position. Spanoulis for example as you mentioned will most likely play the PG position, but he is IMO the best SG of the tournament. Doesn't really matter, if i put him in the PG or SG slot, same with Shved, same with Bjelica. If i put him in the PF or SF spot, it doesn't really matter. I did put Llull and Calderon among PGs, and Rudy is not and never has been a full time SF.

If you checked my posts you would see i said i forgot Bellineli, and would put him behind Shved, also i said i could have put De Colo with the SGs in my first post.

The point of making this list is to see, which NTs have the most elite players, and it makes no difference like i said, if i mixed up some tweeners because they would make it in the top 15 regardless.

All in all, i would really like to see your top 10 or at least top 5 list by position.

pacosas
09-03-2013, 07:34 AM
I will be watching Luigi Datome in this championship. I see that some of you think he is better than Maciulis. I cann't understand why. Yes, he was MVP of Lega but in these days this championship is not as strong as it used to be 10 years ago
Actually when I heard that he signed with Pistons I thought that it is a joke (same as Zavackas going to CSKA :D )

Also is Dasic so good? I remember him from Besiktas and he showed nothing special there

Alyosha12
09-03-2013, 08:16 AM
I will be watching Luigi Datome in this championship. I see that some of you think he is better than Maciulis. I cann't understand why. Yes, he was MVP of Lega but in these days this championship is not as strong as it used to be 10 years ago
Actually when I heard that he signed with Pistons I thought that it is a joke (same as Zavackas going to CSKA :D )

Also is Dasic so good? I remember him from Besiktas and he showed nothing special there

Well TBH Datome is really good, he could be ranked anywhere from 6-12. I chose to rank him so low because he is not as proven as the players before him. I don't think he is an NBA player though. I mean he is definitely good enough, but his role could be more of the role Bellineli has on his teams. And i chose to put Eliyahu and Casspi as low because their defense in nonexistent.

Toxicity
09-03-2013, 08:51 AM
Datome, a natural SF, will be forced to play PF full-time for Italy... i think he'll play a great tournament but i don't know if it's enough for Italy's chances.

Shawshank
09-03-2013, 10:38 AM
Datome, a natural SF, will be forced to play PF full-time for Italy... i think he'll play a great tournament but i don't know if it's enough for Italy's chances.

Who is that Datome? never heard of such player.Why didnt he played against lithuania in acropolis tournament? So manny commenst about him and had never seen him playing strange.Nevertheles looking forward to seeing new upcoming players in this torunament.

pimpekaustas
09-03-2013, 11:30 AM
will anybody of this players finally replace toni kukoč who is still last player who achieved triple double on eurobaskets (1995.). dont think so!

lafa
09-03-2013, 11:32 AM
Who is that Datome? never heard of such player.Why didnt he played against lithuania in acropolis tournament? So manny commenst about him and had never seen him playing strange.Nevertheles looking forward to seeing new upcoming players in this torunament.

Man, before you write something like this just do a little research or something... You make all liths look bad...

Joško Poljak Fan
09-03-2013, 11:39 AM
will anybody of this players finally replace toni kukoč who is still last player who achieved triple double on eurobaskets (1995.). dont think so!
That's quite an achievement :) Due to nature of assists my guess would be no center would do that (M. Gasol?), while it doesn't seem to me there are any forwards really able to do that. Getting a triple double through steals or block is even less likely to occur on the other hand Ajinca comes to my mind in case some of the lower ranked teams from group A would insist repeatedly on playing through paint. Rubio or G.Dragič could be nearest to the triple double if some extra rebounds would've gone their way and if they played much more than they ussualy do in my opinion.

pimpekaustas
09-03-2013, 11:52 AM
teodosić was very very close last eurobasket, dont remeber exactly but he needed only 1 or 2 of something :D (rebounds or assists)

Italian Pride
09-03-2013, 11:55 AM
teodosić was very very close last eurobasket, dont remeber exactly but he needed only 1 or 2 of something :D (rebounds or assists)

my two cents on triple double of boris diaw this year :D

Toxicity
09-03-2013, 12:13 PM
Who is that Datome? never heard of such player.Why didnt he played against lithuania in acropolis tournament? So manny commenst about him and had never seen him playing strange.Nevertheles looking forward to seeing new upcoming players in this torunament.

He was injured at his ankle and italian staff didn't want to risk him in a friendly game... if you really don't know him, maybe you'll find who he's right at EC...

Straight forward
09-03-2013, 12:58 PM
This rather complicated when you have to put Vidmar just after Valančiūnas, or Mavrokefalidis as a top 10 power forwards material :) On onther hand, I have to say it make sense since FIBA games always tricky and some NBA proven players can't shine as well as some European leagues players. Anyways, few words:

-Tomič is nowhere near being top 3 in this list. The guy is simply too soft, he will be shutt down by NBA bigs and Bourousis/Kirstič as well. Put him out and you have spot on 7 best centers, IMO.
-I don't know about Jerebeko, but to put Kšistof instead of Motiejunas is a joke. Any solid game will prove that, IMO. Kšistof now lives and dies with the will of opponents, he can't push his own things anymore. It's between Kleiza and Iliasova, while the letter is way better in NBA game somehow.
- I would love to see Mindaugas Kuzminskas somewhere in SF section. Might be too soon, we'll see.
- Fridzon will be top 5 if not top 3 SG material. Specially knowing how short Russia is this time.
- PG list is a mess. It's Parker, Calderon, Rubio, Dragič and I'm not sure anyone is even close. Unfortunately old world doesn't have Jasikevičius' and Diamantidis' level PGs right now, maybe we could mention Spanoulis here, but he's not natural PG.

trash can
09-03-2013, 08:13 PM
C:
Marc Gasol
Asik
Vucevic
Krstic
Gortat
Valanciunas
Begic
Tomic
Bourousis
Katic
Vidmar
Savrasenko
Lavrinovic brothers
Ajinca

PF:
Nachbar
Kleiza
Ilyasova
Antic
Diaw
Lampe
Elyahu
Jerebko
Maciulis
Claver
Teletovic
Printezis
Montiejunas
Dubljevic

SF:
Rudy Fernandez
Batum
Casspi
Gelabale
Turkoglu
Datome
Preldzic
Bramos
Papanikolau
Vesely
Z.Dragic
Monya
Kelati
Pietrus
Mumbru

SG:
Belinelli
Halperin
Markoishvili
De Colo
Schaffartzik
Kalnietis
Ponkrasov
Pocius
Blazic
Fridzon
Aradori
Koponen
Wright
Salin
Ilievski

PG:
Parker
Dragic
Calderon
McCalleb
Shved
Spanoulis
Llull
Nedovic
Ukic
Diener
Rubio
Arslan
Rice
Strelnieks
Sergio Rodriguez

Chopin
09-03-2013, 10:46 PM
I know you are from Slovenia and it is only your subjective opinion, but still: putting Begić in front of Tomic and Bourusiss? Nachbar in front of Kleiza, Ilyasova, Teletovic, Lampe, Motiejunas, Printezis...? Dragić in front of Spanoulis, Rubio, Calderon, Mccalebb...
Ok let it be for Dragić, although he has a lot to prove in FIBA basketball (not the story for at least those four I mentioned). But the position of Begić and Nachbar two are just too biased for my taste ;). Also to put Prelđić in front of Papanikolau is like last Euroleague season never existed :)

pimpekaustas
09-04-2013, 09:17 AM
i agree with chopin. and where is bojan bogdanović? not even in the list :mad:

trash can
09-04-2013, 09:29 AM
Maybe I overate Nachbar because I forgot to count his defense which sucks, but I like his offense more than any player on that list of PFs. So, he could be behind Kleiza, Ilyasova, Antic, Diaw and Lampe.

Begic in good form is definitly top class center, and Dragic is one of best on defensive and offensive end of court, he doesn't have any weakness anymore.

macleopard13
09-04-2013, 12:30 PM
My Top 10 ratings:

CENTER
1. Gasol (ESP)
2. Asik (TUR)
3. Gortat (POL)
4. Krstic (SRB)
5. Bourousis (GRE)
6. Vucevic (MNE)
7. Valanciunas (LTU)
8. Tomic (CRO)
9. Zoric (CRO)
10. Petro (FRA)

POWER FORWARDS
1. Ilyasova (TUR)
2. Kleiza (LTU)
3. Lampe (POL)
4. Diaw (FRA)
5. Printezis (GRE)
6. Antic (MKD)
7. Nachbar (SLO)
8. Teletovic (BIH)
9. Datome (ITA)
10. Jerebko (SWE)

SMALL FORWARDS
1. Papanikolaou (GRE)
2. Turkoglu (TUR)
3. San Emeterio (ESP)
4. Gelabale (FRA)
5. Casspi (ISR)
6. Taylor (SWE)
7. Maciulis (LTU)
8. Markoishvili (GEO)
9. Stojanovski (MKD)
10. Monia (RUS)

SHOOTING GUARDS
1. Batum (FRA)
2. Fernandez (ESP)
3. Belinelli (ITA)
4. Bogdanovic (CRO)
5. Fridzon (RUS)
6. Koponen (FIN)
7. Aradori (ITA)
8. Blums (LAT)
9. Blazic (SLO)
10. Djedovic (BIH)

POINT GUARDS
1. Parker (FRA)
2. Spanoulis (GRE)
3. Rubio (ESP)
4. Shved (RUS)
5. Dragic (SLO)
6. Calderon (ESP)
7. McCalebb (MKD)
8. Hickman (GEO)
9. Kalnietis (LTU)
10. Ukic (CRO)

pimpekaustas
09-04-2013, 12:41 PM
MVP list:

ONLY PLAYER with two MVP titles is best croatian and probably best european player of all times - Krešimir Ćosić :cool:

1935. rafael martin (spain)
1937. lubinas (lithuania)
1939. rutzgis (lithuania)
1946. nemeth (hungaria)
1947. lisov (sssr)
1949. ozturk (turkey)
1951. mrazek (chekoslovakia)
1953. koneev (sssr)
1955. greminger (hungaria)
1957. baumruk (chekoslovakia)
1959. zubkov (sssr)
1961. korać (jugoslavija)
1963. emiliano (spain)
1965. paulauskas (sssr)
1967. zedniček (cehoslovakia)
1969. belov (sssr)
1971. čosić (jugoslavija)
1973. brabender (spain)
1975. čosić (jugoslavija)
1977. dalipagić (jugoslavija)
1979. berkovitz (izrael)
1981. kičanović (jugoslavija)
1983. corbalan (spain)
1985. sabonis (sssr)
1987. galis (greece)
1989. petrović (jugoslavija)
1991. kukoč (jugoslavija)
1993. velp (germany)
1995. marculionis (lithuania)
1997. đorđević (srj)
1999. fucka (italy)
2001. stojaković (srj)
2003. jasikevicius (lithuania)
2005. nowitzki (germany)
2007. kirilenko (russia)
2009. pau gasol (spain)
2011. navarro (spain)