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J-Mart
09-02-2013, 12:57 AM
Dominican Republic 61 - 85 Mexico (http://http://www.caracas2013.com/box.asp?g=B&n=7&r=9645)
Jack Michael Martínez (DR) 16 pts, 7 rebs
Francisco Garcia (DR) 14 pts
Orlando Mendez (MEX) 26 pts, 5 asts, 10-15 FG
Gustavo Ayon (MEX) 16 pts, 8 rebs, 8-11 FG

Jamaica 82 - 88 Puerto Rico (http://www.caracas2013.com/box.asp?g=A&n=7&r=9645)
Samardo Samuels (JAM) 24 pts, 6 rebs, 9-16 FG
Weyinmi Rose (JAM) 18 pts, 4 rebs
Jose Juan Barea (PUR) 24 pts, 5 rebs, 3 asts
Renaldo Balkman (PUR) 20 pts, 9 rebs, 5 stls, 8-9 FG

Uruguay 79 - 73 Brazil (http://www.caracas2013.com/box.asp?g=A&n=8&r=9645)
Esteban Batista (URU) 22 pts, 13 rebs, 2 stls
Leandro Garcia Morales (URU) 16 pts, 6 rebs, 3 asts
Guilherme Giovannoni (BRA) 20 pts, 10 rebs
Larry Taylor (BRA) 10 pts, 7 rebs

Argentina 77 - 71 Venezuela (http://www.caracas2013.com/box.asp?g=B&n=8&r=9645)
Facundo Campazzo (ARG) 18 pts, 4 rebs, 7 asts, 3 stls, 6-10FG
Luis Scola (ARG) 10 pts, 12 rebs, 4 asts
Rafael Perez (VEN) 14pts
Donta Smith (VEN) 11 pts, 13 rebs, 4 asts, 2 stls

Bye for Canada and Paraguay

tres equis
09-02-2013, 02:06 AM
Mexico, PR, Brasil, Argentina.

saalsapr
09-02-2013, 02:30 AM
Mexico

Jamaica

Uruguay

Venezuela


This is not who I think will win the games, its who Im rooting for. Of all these teams only real team I see winning their game is Mexico. Uruguay can win if Brasil plays as bad as they did against Canada. Venezuela can win if they shoot the game of their lives. Jamaica can win if Fiba rules the game a track and field contest instead of a basketball game.:rolleyes:

Dtown
09-02-2013, 01:35 PM
DR (Mexico can definitely beat them, but I think DR gets their act together at least for one game)

Puerto Rico (so far they are the class of the tournament, even if they have an off day they should win.)

Brazil (they can't afford to lose this, a loss here means they actually have to beat Jamaica just to make the next round, too humiliating they win here.)

Argentina (they haven't impressed me, but neither has Venezuela, going with the more seasoned side here.)

PRSURF
09-02-2013, 02:56 PM
I dont think Puerto Rico will play with his all potential.

lbj_19
09-02-2013, 04:07 PM
What is with this DR team. It was like it was another team that played during the Argentina game. Body language looks really bad. Getting beat off the offensive boards. It just a whole different team altogether.

Dtown
09-02-2013, 04:11 PM
45-31 Mexico at half time. I'm starting to really wonder about Argentina that lost handily to this team. Mexico if they can hold on are set up quite well to potentially make the World Cup. I'm actually looking forward to seeing Mexico play Canada or Puerto Rico, never thought I'd think that at the start of the tournament.

soulis79
09-02-2013, 04:41 PM
All the guards of DR,except Feldeine can't organize a single play!!! They play a very selfish basketball. Mexico on the other hand, plays smart with coach direction. A very good team so far.

lbj_19
09-02-2013, 04:46 PM
All the guards of DR,except Feldeine can't organize a single play!!! They play a very selfish basketball. Mexico on the other hand, plays smart with coach direction. A very good team so far.

true and their only source on offense right now is garcia which has 4 fouls. During the argentina game they played really well, it seems like that was years away. I know that this DR team usually plays to the talent of their opponents, is this the case again? because I don't see desire and motivation in their movements.

J-Mart
09-02-2013, 05:09 PM
Bad coaching. Never showed much during preparation.

soulis79
09-02-2013, 05:12 PM
As the tournament goes, it will be possible for Mexico to reach Spain next year. Probably two wins will be enough(Uruguay and one more). If Mexico beat tomorrow Argentina it will be one step from semis.

lbj_19
09-02-2013, 05:15 PM
everything is bad for DR. their bigs as I said is same as Jamaica's bigs, they are playing basketball because they are tall and not because they want to. If you count how many times the guards of Mexico drove the lane only to make uncontested layups. martinez, flores and baez are all the same, no secondary defenders. I'd like to see how these guys would fare against Puerto Rico and Canada. Should be a cake walk for the 2 teams.

So far among all the teams, PR, Mexico, Canada and Argentina are the best teams and probably the best bets for the world cup stints. DR players look like unmotivated players except for Garcia and Baez.

J-Mart
09-02-2013, 06:01 PM
Dominican Republic will drag those 2 losses to the next round, and they still have to face Brazil, Canada and Puerto Rico. Tough task to reach the Worlds...

Dtown
09-02-2013, 06:08 PM
Puerto Rico starts the game on a 10-0 run.

JGX
09-02-2013, 08:03 PM
Jamaica choking away their second straight game...dumb fouls and poor guard play killing them late. With head to head tiebreakers the game against Brazil tomorrow is more important anyway.

Vintage game from Arroyo :D

As of now you'd have to rate Group A as stronger than Group B.

selcuky
09-02-2013, 08:11 PM
Arroyo's randomness is epic.

Dtown
09-02-2013, 08:17 PM
PR guarantee they'll be 3-0 next round (cause can anyone actually say Jamaica will lose to Brazil with certainty?) probably 1 win away from Spain.

saalsapr
09-02-2013, 08:21 PM
Really in this game it was PR vs Jamaica + Arroyo

Great shooting day is usually followed by a horrible shooting day, and that was what today was. 19% from three eww.:eek:

TBH I wanted Jamaica to win, but then I remembered that Brasil could lose to Jamaica tomorrow.;)

J-Mart
09-02-2013, 08:27 PM
69 free throws in the game.

Federoy
09-02-2013, 08:52 PM
Not surprising that Mexico dismantled DR. It might be a little premature, but Mexico looks like they'll be playing in Spain next summer.

JayLamar
09-02-2013, 09:22 PM
In some time the interesting game Uruguay Brazil starts, i expect a lot from it.
I found a stream here: http://www.sports-livez.net let's hope it works great so i can watch the game :)

Dtown
09-02-2013, 11:34 PM
Uruguay wins a close one. Brazil 0-3 and in an elimination game tomorrow. Can't believe I had them winning the tournament.

Federoy
09-02-2013, 11:39 PM
Uruguay wins a close one. Brazil 0-3 and in an elimination game tomorrow. Can't believe I had them winning the tournament.

Brazil's outside shooting is horrendous. Because they have virtually no inside scoring presents, they have no way of generating offense when shots aren't falling. More surprisingly, I sense a glaring lack of urgency with the Brazilian team.

Dtown
09-02-2013, 11:47 PM
this might not be the thread for it, but does Brazil get a wild card? Most years I'd say they're a lock but with China losing...

I mean it's not over yet, but they basically need to win out to be in a good spot.

Federoy
09-03-2013, 12:17 AM
Fun game between Argentina and Venezuela...The zone is really working in Argentina's favor.

reamily
09-03-2013, 12:35 AM
everything is bad for DR. their bigs as I said is same as Jamaica's bigs, they are playing basketball because they are tall and not because they want to. If you count how many times the guards of Mexico drove the lane only to make uncontested layups. martinez, flores and baez are all the same, no secondary defenders. I'd like to see how these guys would fare against Puerto Rico and Canada. Should be a cake walk for the 2 teams.

So far among all the teams, PR, Mexico, Canada and Argentina are the best teams and probably the best bets for the world cup stints. DR players look like unmotivated players except for Garcia and Baez.
As if our big guys Greg Slaughter and Junmar Fajardo aren't:cool: we might hear more mean criticisms when they saw the 2 play lol

reamily
09-03-2013, 12:37 AM
Uruguay wins a close one. Brazil 0-3 and in an elimination game tomorrow. Can't believe I had them winning the tournament.

Lesson learned.. send your best roster possible you can't have a b level player(ahem Benite..) as your scorer..

Federoy
09-03-2013, 12:40 AM
44-37, Venezuela leads at the half.

Venezuela has been zone busting with the outside shot.

Federoy
09-03-2013, 01:01 AM
this might not be the thread for it, but does Brazil get a wild card? Most years I'd say they're a lock but with China losing...

I mean it's not over yet, but they basically need to win out to be in a good spot.

Not sure. But given Brazil's body of work over the last three major tournaments (9th @ 2010 WC, 2nd @ 2011 TOAM, and 5th @ 2012 OLYM), I think they deserve consideration if they don't secure one of the top four spots. Having said that, Europe will probably command three of the four spots, so in essence, if Brazil should place 5th in the tournament, they'll most likely be competing against Ivory Coast, Chinese Taipei and maybe a flip between Dominican Rep., Venezuela, and Uruguay depending on how they finish.

greenarcher
09-03-2013, 01:08 AM
Another loss for DR and Brazil. Can they still make it? Balkman playing like the tournament's MVP.

reamily
09-03-2013, 01:25 AM
Not sure. But given Brazil's body of work over the last three major tournaments (9th @ 2010 WC, 2nd @ 2011 TOAM, and 5th @ 2012 OLYM), I think they deserve consideration if they don't secure one of the top four spots. Having said that, Europe will probably command three of the four spots, so in essence, if Brazil should place 5th in the tournament, they'll most likely be competing against Ivory Coast, Chinese Taipei and maybe a flip between Dominican Rep., Venezuela, and Uruguay depending on how they finish.

I thought new ruling is a fiba zone can only get at most 2 wildcard entries thus preventing wildcard entries to be eurocentric if one of the big 4 teams did not qualify for Fiba.. taipei would be out if not.. Taipei would be in Spain..

Federoy
09-03-2013, 01:54 AM
I thought new ruling is a fiba zone can only get at most 2 wildcard entries thus preventing wildcard entries to be eurocentric if one of the big 4 teams did not qualify for Fiba.. taipei would be out if not.. Taipei would be in Spain..

Hmmm...I wasn't aware of any rule chances, but if that's the case, than Brazil still has to finish well in the tournament to be considered over the other American teams and others outside the zone.

saalsapr
09-03-2013, 01:59 AM
Uruguay wins a close one. Brazil 0-3 and in an elimination game tomorrow. Can't believe I had them winning the tournament.


The Rules learned in the Prediction game.
1: Brazil is always disappointing


..................

Federoy
09-03-2013, 02:03 AM
Awesome...awesome game!!! Heartbreaking loss for Venezuela, but they guided their own fate. They were controlling most of the first three quarters until they got complacent and wore out as the fourth quarter unfolded. They had umpteen possessions towards the end of the fourth that they didn't capitalize on. Big props to Argentina's guard Fucando Campazzo for hitting some big shots down the stretch.

Dtown
09-03-2013, 02:04 AM
yeah I don't learn my own lessons, mentioned that in the day 3 thread. :p Still I thought that was they'd finish 4th not that'd they'd be winless!

Anyway Argentina comes back and beats Venezuela. Game against Mexico should be good, this is not your typical Argentina, and while they're not as bad off as Brazil they are by no means a lock.

reamily
09-03-2013, 02:04 AM
that point guards of Argentina Lapravitolla and Campazzo are good....

J-Mart
09-03-2013, 02:20 AM
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6065/db06.png

lbj_19
09-03-2013, 04:30 AM
As if our big guys Greg Slaughter and Junmar Fajardo aren't:cool: we might hear more mean criticisms when they saw the 2 play lol

I can't say for Greg, but Im pretty sure Junmar would not get said criticisms. These bigs has the lowest basketball Iq I have seen or rather they just don't feel like giving their all.

Sorry to say this, but Americas tournament this year is one of the weakest tournaments I have seen in fiba. Not much quality basketball. Can't wait for Eurobasket.

Federoy
09-03-2013, 04:59 AM
I can't say for Greg, but Im pretty sure Junmar would not get said criticisms. These bigs has the lowest basketball Iq I have seen or rather they just don't feel like giving their all.

Sorry to say this, but Americas tournament this year is one of the weakest tournaments I have seen in fiba. Not much quality basketball. Can't wait for Eurobasket.

There are teams in this tournament that are either bringing in new players (Argentina, Canada) or missing key players due to injury or fatigue (Brazil), so there's no question the quality of play has been affected. But the top four teams, Canada, Puerto Rico, Argentina and Mexico, have played good, competitive basketball considering the short training camps they've had. I've watched a lot of basketball this summer from Asia, Africa, and the Americas, and overall, the FIBA Asia tournament had the best quality of play followed by the Americas then Africa....my opinion of course.

reamily
09-03-2013, 05:11 AM
There are teams in this tournament that are either bringing in new players (Argentina, Canada) or missing key players due to injury or fatigue (Brazil), so there's no question the quality of play has been affected. But the top four teams, Canada, Puerto Rico, Argentina and Mexico, have played good, competitive basketball considering the short training camps they've had. I've watched a lot of basketball this summer from Asia, Africa, and the Americas, and overall, the FIBA Asia tournament had the best quality of play followed by the Americas then Africa....my opinion of course.

Yeah it would be unfair though that FIBA would give Taiwan that wildcard entry as they are playing really well in majority of their games except for 3 games.. Although this 3 games are the games that matter.. they also won 2 crucial games (1 against Philippines and one against china) and if ever China gets the wildcard.. Taipei has just beaten 2 wbc bound teams.. really how unlucky..

And who knows if ever Philippines played this American teams we might be experiencing what Mexico is experiencing now or maybe Jamaica's