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pohani komarac
06-20-2013, 05:22 PM
Croatian rooster

Paolo Marinelli (PG 192 95. Split)
Lovro Basic (PG 188 95. Zadar)
Bruno Zganec (PG 197 95. Feniks)
Borna Kapusta (PG 180 96. Krizevci)
Ivan Jukic (SG 192 95. Split)
Filip Palac (SG 195 95. Cedevita)
Luka Bozic (SG 193 96. Bjelovar)
Nik Slavica (SG/SF 200 97. Cibona)
Juraj Kozic (SG/SF 196 95. Osjecki Sokol)
Lovro Mazalin (SF 202 97. Cibona)
Dorian Jelenek (SF 200 95. Cedevita)
Andrija Coric (SF 201 95. Siroki)
Ivan Vucic (PF 196 95. Cedevita)
Karlo Zganec (PF 203 95. Feniks)
Marko Arapovic (PF/C 208 96. Cibona)
Ante Toni Zizic (C 206 97. Split)
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with U-19 team

Josip Gulam (PG 183 95. Jolly JBS)
Domagoj Bosnjak (SF 200 95. Siroki)
Tomislav Gabric (SF/PF 202 95. Jolly JBS)
Ivan Bender (PF 206 95. Split)

pohani komarac
06-21-2013, 08:17 PM
La Croazia non trova il canestro e finisce 71-70 per la Turchia. Migliori marcatori tra i turchi Sipahi e Birsen con 9 punti. Tra i croati 15 per Jukic e 13 per Coric


Non va la tripla di Fontecchio. Finisce 67-64 per la Slovenia. 28 e 7 assist per un superlativo Rebec. Tra gli azzurri bene Fontecchio con 23,Laquintana con 10, Vedovato con 8 e 6 rimbalzi.

https://www.facebook.com/under18palabasento

c-myers
06-21-2013, 08:58 PM
Cedi Osman Anadolu Efes
Tolga Geçim Bandırma Kırmızı
Kartal Özmızrak Beşiktaş JK
Doğukan Şanlı Beşiktaş JK
Ediz Oktay Darüşşafaka
Kerem Kanter Darüşşafaka
Berk İbrahim Uğurlu Fenerbahçe Ülker
Mehmet Şanlı Fenerbahçe Ülker
Metecan Birsen Fenerbahçe Ülker
Mert Çiner Fenerbahçe Ülker
Ege Arar Galatasaray MP
Muhsin Yaşar MG Spor
Okben Ulubay Pertevniyal
Emircan Koşut Pertevniyal
Oğulcan Baykan Pertevniyal
Berk Demir Pertevniyal
Akif Egemen Güven P.Karşıyaka
Kenan Sipahi Tofaş


I have ever seen most powerful Turkish young team. There are many huge prospect I'm extremely exiting about this roster.

pohani komarac
06-21-2013, 11:39 PM
Hrvatska U18 – Turska U18 70:71 (20:22, 34:43, 47:58)

Hrvatska: Kapusta , Jukić 15 (za 3 5/7), Marinelli 5 (4as), Palac 3, Kozić 2, Ćorić 13, Jelenek 7 (7sk), Mazalin 5, B. Žganec 2, Arapović 12, Žižić 0, K. Žganec 6 (4sk).
Turska: Ugurlu 2, D. Sanli 7, Sipahi 9, Baykan 5, Birsen 9, Ciner 4, Ulubay 4, Kanter 7, Demir 6, Guven 6, Kosut 6, M. Sanli 6.

pohani komarac
06-23-2013, 10:52 AM
Hrvatska U18 – Italija U18 77:76 (14:13, 31:33, 46:49)

Hrvatska: Kapusta, Jukić 14 (za 3 3/3), Marinelli 10, Palac 7, Kozić 11 ( za dva 4/5), Ćorić 4, Jelenek 1 (7sk), Vučić 0, B. Žganec 2, Arapović 5, Žižić 7 ( 8 skokova), K. Žganec 16 (4sk).
Italija: Maccaferri 9, Merlati 0, Laquinta 8, Vencato 13, Nobile 6, Spissu 3, Baldasso 13, Fontecchio 16, Panzieri 2, Artioli 0, Benetti 2, Vedovato 4

carlo
07-03-2013, 04:11 PM
U18 Bor tournament (Serbia):

D1: France – Russia 99:62, Serbia – Ukraina 77:66
D2: France – Ukraina 80:62, Serbia – Russia 79:56.
D3: Russia – Ukraina 60:63, Serbia – France 81:74.

Final ranking:

1 SERBIA 3-0 237:196 6 pts
2 FRANCE 2-1 253:205 5 pts
3 UKRAINA 1-2 191:217 4 pts
4 RUSSIA 0-3 178:241 3 pts

carlo
07-07-2013, 01:25 PM
At the Cisternino tournament, Italy won the last game over Greece 64-51 earning the 2nd place.

Final standings:

1. England 3-0
2. Italy 2-1
3. Ukraine 1-2
4. Greece 0-3

Simone Fontecchio named MVP.

pohani komarac
07-07-2013, 01:51 PM
recentley we won some tournament in england

full game

http://www.hoopsfix.com/2013/07/england-u18-vs-croatia-at-future-stars-full-game/

we also beat montenegro few days ago

Hrvatska – Crna Gora 68:62 (21:15, 18:17, 19:13, 10:17)
Hrvatska: Kapusta, Jukić 12, Marinelli 8, Palac, Kozić, Ćorić 8, Jelenek 13, Mazalin 8, Žganec B. , Arapović 8, Vučić, Žganec K. 11

pohani komarac
07-08-2013, 08:25 AM
Hrvatska U18 – Crna Gora U18 62:51 (19:15, 36:30, 53:40)

Kapusta, Jukić 3, Marinelli 6, Palac, Kozić 2, Ćorić 3, Jelenek 5, Mazalin 17, B. Žganec 5 , Arapović 9, Vučić, K. Žganec 12, Karačić.

pohani komarac
07-13-2013, 04:08 PM
I was not at home when we played prep with Lithuania, will there be replay here?

http://www.sportotv.lt/g/1425/lietuva-u-18-kroatija-u-18

auris1
07-13-2013, 04:15 PM
I was not at home when we played prep with Lithuania, will there be replay here?

http://www.sportotv.lt/g/1425/lietuva-u-18-kroatija-u-18

there is always one,so just be patient

pohani komarac
07-13-2013, 04:37 PM
there is always one,so just be patient

thanx. I tougts so, but was unsure:o

auris1
07-13-2013, 05:18 PM
thanx. I tougts so, but was unsure:o
I had a chance to watch first 5 minutes before i had to leave for the day.
Seskus junior on a commentary ,absent on the court due to injury, said that the leader of Croatia for this age,Mario HEZONJA,is absent. Is it because an of the injury he acquired few months ago in London ?
And is Marko Arapovic still on the team?God,i enjoyed his father playing for Zalgiris very much.And the kid looked as good or even better than his father in Under 17 WC last year

auris1
07-13-2013, 08:46 PM
Our opponents came as no surprise - we did surprise our self. I have no explanation as to why we started the game badly. It is painful that we did not beat a team that has only five players.(our team) Failed to respond(adjust) adequately "
I can not be arsed with google translate - i fixed some mistakes that were bad,and left some.
Pacesas was talking here,our head coach

pohani komarac
07-14-2013, 09:20 AM
I had a chance to watch first 5 minutes before i had to leave for the day.
Seskus junior on a commentary ,absent on the court due to injury, said that the leader of Croatia for this age,Mario HEZONJA,is absent. Is it because an of the injury he acquired few months ago in London ?
And is Marko Arapovic still on the team?God,i enjoyed his father playing for Zalgiris very much.And the kid looked as good or even better than his father in Under 17 WC last year

Hezonja reportedly will have surgery, but no ofical info. Besides him Ivan Beder will miss WC and he is with Hezonja kid with bigest potential of 95. born players

Arapovic and Bosnjak as well are there, bot got free day

Arapovic poses way more talent then his father. Only thing he got from father is shooting. But we will se how much he will grove. It will be hard for him to translate as PF because he is very unathletic and has very slow feet. But with his skillset and IQ still should be able to have nice carer

It will be very intresting what can wedo without Hezonja, player that gave extra quality to this team. Judging by last prep games Mazalin will step as new team leader? Tough he is still 2 young just turnig 16 to bring Hezonja level plays when team is not funcionig. No replay for now, but people who watch it raving about his performance yesterday. Personaly I'm much more confident in this team without Hezonja, then I was with U-19 with Saric. Unlike Brajkovic Nazor is promising coach and I'm sure we will play like team

pohani komarac
07-14-2013, 01:23 PM
Just finished watching game. Very poor game from bouth sides. Lot of mistakes and not much to see....

untill last 3 and half minutes and OT when Lovro Mazalin was spectacular, looking like Toni Kukoc 2.0 (I can't help my self) 5676

starts about here 5676

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Japm9du1Bcw&feature=player_detailpage#t=4077s

Only question is how much there is upside left and how hard will he work. Sad that Cibona just lost him

iskoch
07-18-2013, 08:58 AM
so it starts today...

can we find any live stream links or it will be available only with the second round?

pohani komarac
07-18-2013, 10:56 AM
Last time EC was in Latvia they had streamd their games

Joško Poljak Fan
07-18-2013, 11:13 AM
Slovenia got in group with Serbia, Lithuania and France, which kind of sums it all. 2nd stage would be an enormous surprise :)
Nikolič and Kokol are missing. The player to watch for, is our own version of McCaleb 179cm PG, Matic Rebec. Opinions about him videly differ, as short PG's aren't that popular over here there is a lot of people prognosing him to become useless later during career, while others claim he'll be our future NT point guard.

pohani komarac
07-18-2013, 11:36 AM
Slovenian chance is Lithuania. They didn't do well at U-16 and at U-17. Sabonis is great prospect, best 96. born in Europe, but rest of team is not to strong

Serbia has some major absentes in Ristic and Salic

Dreamcatcher
07-18-2013, 11:46 AM
Yeah, we had bad results here and 2 leaders from the last summer are injured. On the other hand, we have Sabonis who is our best prospect of 1996 and half of the team are new players.

Srle
07-18-2013, 03:47 PM
Slovenian chance is Lithuania. They didn't do well at U-16 and at U-17. Sabonis is great prospect, best 96. born in Europe, but rest of team is not to strong

Serbia has some major absentes in Ristic and Salic

Jokic,Tejic,Guduric,Rebic. Djukanovic is with the team but injured . Basically this is our B squad at EC.

GEORGE_4
07-18-2013, 03:49 PM
Jokic,Tejic,Guduric,Rebic. Djukanovic is with the team but injured . Basically this is our B squad at EC.

How serious is Djukanovic´s injury???

Srle
07-18-2013, 03:51 PM
The coach said he will miss first couple of games.

christodoulou76
07-18-2013, 03:57 PM
why did diamantakos not start for Greece? we seem to be playing with 4 guards at the moment and are unsurprisingly getting crushed on the boards...

EDIT: Diamantakos enters the game. We are still playing with 4 guards and are being outrebounded 15-8....

EDIT: We are finally playing with only 3 guards and lo and behold we tie the game.

wardjdim
07-18-2013, 04:34 PM
Here we go again with Kouril and Peterka. After the ultra-fail in their home-based U19 WC, they are now playing U18 ball and they are struggling against Greece (and I don't see Papagiannis in that squad).. It must be the worst medalled team (alongside the Poles' silver medal 1993 generation, who are still playing 2nd Division U20)

christodoulou76
07-18-2013, 05:01 PM
admirable effort by Greece but giving up 16 offensive rebounds in 3 qs makes it almost impossible to win...

christodoulou76
07-18-2013, 05:14 PM
Here we go again with Kouril and Peterka. After the ultra-fail in their home-based U19 WC, they are now playing U18 ball and they are struggling against Greece (and I don't see Papagiannis in that squad).. It must be the worst medalled team (alongside the Poles' silver medal 1993 generation, who are still playing 2nd Division U20)

Papagiannis is 16 and will play in U-16 tournament in August where Greece should be much more competitive than in the U-18. Alongside Papagiannis will play the talented small forward, Vasilis Charalampopoulos, already acquired by Panathinaikos.

pohani komarac
07-18-2013, 08:08 PM
watched few minutes of Latvia-Bulgaria

wow....Latvia Looks taleted, long and athletic. Well it's sample of few minutes but I would not be surpriesed if they win it

iskoch
07-18-2013, 08:10 PM
turkey won 76-58 against england, with an 18-0 run in the last 7.21 mins...
kenan sipahi, kartal özmızrak, berk uğurlu, cedi osman, okben ulubay, metecan birsen, egemen güven are huge talents.
this team is our best since 86-87 generation, i think even better.
we have always lacked a good point guard, this team has 3 thrilling guards like kenan, berk and kartal...

edit: by the way, although kenan sipahi is the leader of the team, i think kartal özmızrak has the highest potential, he is my favourite guy...

edit 2: here are the highlights of the game...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B91Rntx966s&feature=c4-overview&list=UUhsN13M_uLLQQ8lFewoXxzA

c-myers
07-18-2013, 08:29 PM
Yes we have really many huge prospect in 95-96 generation I think they are best turkish generation ever. but unfortunately my favourite player Tolga Geçim is injured and did not join this tournament.

iskoch
07-18-2013, 08:33 PM
Yes we have really many huge prospect in 95-96 generation I think they are best turkish generation ever. but unfortunately my favourite player Tolga Geçim is injured and did not join this tournament.

is he injured?
i was surprired when i didn't see his name in roster.
what's with tolga? hope not a serious injury?

tolga geçim (pg - 2.02 - 1996)

pohani komarac
07-18-2013, 08:35 PM
turkey won 78-58 against england...
kenan sipahi, kartal özmızrak, berk uğurlu, cedi osman, okben ulubay, metecan birsen, egemen güven are huge talents.
this team is our best since 86-87 generation, i think even better.
we have always lacked a good point guard, this team has 3 thrilling guards like kenan, berk and kartal...

edit: by the way, although kenan sipahi is the leader of the team, i think kartal özmızrak has the highest potential, he is my favourite guy...

if his age are not false

c-myers
07-18-2013, 09:25 PM
is he injured?
i was surprired when i didn't see his name in roster.
what's with tolga? hope not a serious injury?

tolga geçim (pg - 2.02 - 1996)

Yes he is injured preparing camp in Bolu. His finger broken but not serious problem. I watched him as a live in this year he has incredible court vision and assist ability and also fabulous ballhandler. I think he will be better than Kenan Sipahi and the others.

c-myers
07-18-2013, 09:37 PM
if his age are not false

I don't think so. I had watched him u15 tournament he wasn't seems bigger than the others. Clearly he was child. As a matter of fact there are plenty of trick happened in the past but in my opinion Kenan is not include that.

Levenspiel
07-19-2013, 05:55 AM
if his age are not false

I don't think so. I had watched him u15 tournament he wasn't seems bigger than the others. Clearly he was child. As a matter of fact there are plenty of trick happened in the past but in my opinion Kenan is not include that.
He's actual name is Kenan Spahi, and some claim he's actually born in 1993. For some reason, I believe there is a high chance these claims are true... :rolleyes:

KWSN-Men
07-19-2013, 06:36 AM
why did diamantakos not start for Greece? we seem to be playing with 4 guards at the moment and are unsurprisingly getting crushed on the boards...

EDIT: Diamantakos enters the game. We are still playing with 4 guards and are being outrebounded 15-8....

EDIT: We are finally playing with only 3 guards and lo and behold we tie the game.

Diamantakos was the 1st scorer and 1st rebounder of the team, with 11-11 but the "coach" decided to play him only 19 minutes. The tradition of ridiculous "coaches" appointed in youth teams continues.

Markoishvili
07-19-2013, 10:45 AM
Some thoughts on France - Lithuania from yesterday:

- Damien Inglis is incredible talent. Big hybrid forward with great strenght for his age and very good athleticism. He can play as a Point-Forward type, but if he grows any further he may need to settle in as Power Forward. Very versatile offensively. Can drive from the perimeter and create separation, or go down in the post and use his size/strenght advantage. Excellent passer, Diaw like court vision. Very unselfish maybe even a bit too much. Has good potential defensively, but didn`t show much energy on this end as in the past. Needs to improve his jumpshot, but his mechanics are not broken and he shows good balance on off the dribble shots. Sure-fire NBA player, if he improves his shooting ability he has All-Star potential.

- Charly Pontens is big point-guard with excellent shooting ability. Not only he can stroke it when wide open, but he has silky smooth mid-range shot off the dribble. Very quick and picture-perfect release. He is shoot-first type of PG. Is not natural playmaker and doesn`t show great court vision, but he has good ballhandling ability and is not turnover-prone. Solid athlete and decent potential defensively. Has potential to be quality Euroleague player.

- Domantas Sabonis - his game is not pretty, but he is just very solid and tough kid all around. Has very good fundamentals. He sets strong screen, boxes-out, is good pick and roll player, cuts to open spaces under the basket. Solid footwork in the post. He is big and wiry strong, but just an average athlete. Great rebounder, always keeps his hands high. His jumpshot is ugly, but it goes in for him on solid clip. Reminds me a bit of less-athletic version of Valanciunas.

- Lukas Grabauskas - very quick and athletic player. Drives by his opponents with ease, gets into the paint at will. Unfortunately, is neither good finisher not passer. Slight build, doesn`t take contact well. Much more explosive horizontally then vertically. Has no elevation on his jumpshot, shoots from the ground. Needs to clean up his mechanics, inconsistent. Reminds me a bit of young Jaka Blazic.

Dreamcatcher
07-19-2013, 12:53 PM
At least we managed to beat Slovenia after loosing -20 in the first half. Sabonis had a bad start, bad he dominated under the basket against smaller opponents in the end.

Dreamcatcher
07-19-2013, 01:30 PM
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Jon_Koncak
07-19-2013, 01:37 PM
Is interbasket turnin into stormfront? How many racist posts by this particular user before someone bans him for good?

Joško Poljak Fan
07-19-2013, 02:09 PM
Is interbasket turnin into stormfront? How many racist posts by this particular user before someone bans him for good?
Please on such occasions use the report button on the bottom left of the post, that way it's much easier for mods to notice it faster and take measures, as well as keeping the history of certain individuals documented at one place. Lately the mods are basicaly the only ones using the report button function and this way It's easy for offensive content to go unnoticed occasionaly.


To all Lithuanian fella's that lately have troubles finding apropriate words for people of other races in a surprisingly increasing number, feel free to move to some other forums as this kind of language never was and never will be tolerated here at IBN.

Dreamcatcher
07-19-2013, 02:20 PM
feel free to discuss the mod decisions via PM. Whenever in doubt, "negro" is considered as an offensive word.
JPF

pohani komarac
07-19-2013, 05:16 PM
Porzingis is amazing prospect, perhaps player with bigest upside in whole europe. Eurohoops wrote abut him but I never had chace to watch him in game

Amazing! 213 kid with athletic abilitys, post skills, shooting touch and understanding of game. His game reminds on Dirk Nowitzki, while his body and way he moves remids of 18 year old P. Gasol

christodoulou76
07-19-2013, 05:18 PM
Greece almost certainly eliminated from the next round after two tough 1-pt losses. :( Our only hope is Russia loses to the Czech Republic and we beat Russia. I am not holding my breath...

wardjdim
07-19-2013, 05:21 PM
Latvia U18 just beat Spain

Latvia made the U20 semis, having only lost a meaningless game

How exactly will they manage to destroy their talents? :)

Anyway, this U18 tourney (especially since Serbia is playing w/o a major bulk of their elite players) is looking open and also full of potential. I would pick Turkey to win it all, but again it's rather close. Anyway, Sipahi could be the most interesting prospect alongside Arapovic, Birsen, Mazalin, Inglis, Sabonis, Hernangomez, Diaz, Porzingis, Diop, Peterka, Kouril, Pasecniks and Vezenkov (who will always have the best numbers playing for the weakest team)

I just noticed that Greece lost again by 1 point. Bad summer for the Greek junior NTs so far, after the U20 one was killed by Spain in the quarters. The U16 one is looking decent though

pohani komarac
07-19-2013, 05:24 PM
Latvia U18 just beat Spain

Latvia made the U20 semis, having only lost a meaningless game

How exactly will they manage to destroy their talents? :)



Don't know about others but Porzingis is with best coach in Europe for young prospects and alredy getting minutes from Aito

wardjdim
07-19-2013, 05:30 PM
Don't know about others but Porzingis is with best coach in Europe for young prospects and alredy getting minutes from Aito
I know.. I was just sarcastic because they never build a very competitive senior NT (and now with Bertans' injury, they are again in trouble..)

pohani komarac
07-19-2013, 05:30 PM
Bosnia and Herzegovina got their historic win (probably also mede it in history geting here with only 11 players). To bad them miss their best 95. born prospect Nedim Buza here. Posibly also Emir Sulejmanovic, tough still not know will he play for them or for Finland

christodoulou76
07-19-2013, 05:33 PM
I just noticed that Greece lost again by 1 point. Bad summer for the Greek junior NTs so far, after the U20 one was killed by Spain in the quarters. The U16 one is looking decent though

This is the third bad summer in a row not just for our junior teams but also for our senior team. Results during this stretch:
2013:
U16: ?
U18: 9-16
U20: 5-8
Senior: ?

2012:
U16: 9
U18: 11
U20: 8
Senior: DNQ

2011:
U16: 11
U18: 14
U20: 12
Senior: 6

wardjdim
07-19-2013, 06:01 PM
This is the third bad summer in a row not just for our junior teams but also for our senior team. Results during this stretch:
2013:
U16: ?
U18: 9-16
U20: 5-8
Senior: ?

2012:
U16: 9
U18: 11
U20: 8
Senior: DNQ

2011:
U16: 11
U18: 14
U20: 12
Senior: 6
The Greek Senior NT is the #1 favourite for the Eurobasket for me

pohani komarac
07-19-2013, 06:31 PM
This is the third bad summer in a row not just for our junior teams but also for our senior team. Results during this stretch:
2013:
U16: ?
U18: 9-16
U20: 5-8
Senior: ?

2012:
U16: 9
U18: 11
U20: 8
Senior: DNQ

2011:
U16: 11
U18: 14
U20: 12
Senior: 6

as long as there are good prospects that have future in profesional basketball and U-20 has good ones it's good summer for yuth teams.

GEORGE_4
07-19-2013, 07:44 PM
Czech republic lost to Russia by 2 points although at the beginning of last Q they were over 10 points in front... another strong performance of Martin Peterka - 23 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assists...

wardjdim
07-20-2013, 11:11 AM
Czech republic lost to Russia by 2 points although at the beginning of last Q they were over 10 points in front... another strong performance of Martin Peterka - 23 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assists...
This generation is going straight to the trash.. Apart from Peterka, that is

I just can't forget how astonishing Kouril was just 2 years ago

pohani komarac
07-20-2013, 11:55 AM
Mazalid got injury yeasterday, but should be redy for today. Gabric had stomack problems and didn't play 2nd half because he spent rest of game in lockeroom (toilet I guess) :D

wardjdim
07-20-2013, 12:02 PM
Oops

Worrisome stuff for Spain. I don't see Diop starting the 2nd half against Bulgaria and he only had 2 points and 0 rebs in the 1st

That, after a very bad game for him yesterday in the loss against Latvia. Could it be an injury, a locker room issue or just a lack of coach's confidence in the star center?

Btw, Diop has been added to the senior squad of Baskonia and might even be in the rotation from day1. He needs this tournament to boost his self-confidence for the senior level (ACB+Euroleague), but so far, it's been by far his most unimpressive summer at the junior level


As for Croatia-Turkey yesterday, it can very well be the final game, so the Croat kids might get a second chance. Although France and Latvia (alongside Spain, Lithuania and Serbia) also look dangerous

GEORGE_4
07-20-2013, 01:49 PM
This generation is going straight to the trash.. Apart from Peterka, that is

I just can't forget how astonishing Kouril was just 2 years ago

Two years ago they were kids and their opponents couldn ´t play against zone well... now they are older and there´s only little progress in their game, except Peterka and Slanina... Kouril plays very inconsistent, he needs freedom on court to be effective, in other case he loses his head and tends to TOs...

But the biggest problem of czech U18 is head coach right now... just like in Prague on WC U19!!!

wardjdim
07-20-2013, 02:49 PM
This Diamantakos kid is one of the steals of this opening round..
Sick per minute numbers in both points and rebounding in the first two games (12ppg+11rpg in 19mpg) and now singlehandedly trying to get Greece through the 1st round. So far 31+14 in 31mins

Of course he won't make it. Keeping on par with the previous two games, Greece will most likely lose by one point :p

christodoulou76
07-20-2013, 02:50 PM
This Diamantakos kid is one of the steals of this first round..
Sick per minute numbers in both points and rebounding in the first two games (12ppg+11rpg in 19mpg) and now singlehandedly trying to get Greece through the 1st round. So far 31+14 in 31mins

Of course he won't make it. Keeping on par with the previous two games, Greece will most likely lose by one point :p

Greece has already been eliminated. The result of this game doesn't matter.

christodoulou76
07-20-2013, 02:53 PM
Stamatis trying to give the game away by missing both free throws and then fouling on a 3-pt attempt. :confused:

wardjdim
07-20-2013, 03:06 PM
So, Greece just beat Russia with a monster game from Diamantakos (33+15). But I was wrong. They are not qualifying to the 2nd round. Tough losses by 1 points, especially when repeated, are hard to swallow, I guess

A big lol on the Turkey coach, who decided to rest both Birsen and Sipahi and, as a result, Turkey lost to Ukraine, after having beaten Croatia yesterday!

christodoulou76
07-20-2013, 03:12 PM
So, Greece just beat Russia with a monster game from Diamantakos (33+15). But I was wrong. They are likely not qualifying to the 2nd round. Tough losses by 1 points, especially when repeated, are hard to swallow, I guess

A big lol on the Turkey coach, who decided to rest both Birsen and Sipahi and, as a result, Turkey lost to Ukraine, after having beaten Croatia yesterday!

meaningless game for turkey. they are already guaranteed first place in the group.

KWSN-Men
07-20-2013, 04:05 PM
This Diamantakos kid is one of the steals of this opening round..
Sick per minute numbers in both points and rebounding in the first two games (12ppg+11rpg in 19mpg) and now singlehandedly trying to get Greece through the 1st round. So far 31+14 in 31mins

Of course he won't make it. Keeping on par with the previous two games, Greece will most likely lose by one point :p

Diamantakos has been training with PAO senior squad all year, with good results. The other kids look, well, just kids to him.

Vassilis Spanoulis
07-20-2013, 04:39 PM
Is there any way that we can get Vezenkov to play for Greece instead of Bulgaria? Between him and Diamantakos it would be 2 of the best players in their class.

Toxicity
07-20-2013, 07:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewbL9ERTgX8

Fontecchio playing like Belinelli on steroids for Italy... :)

He's one of the best swingman in the tournament...

Miškinis
07-20-2013, 07:42 PM
Sabonis Jr. showing some potential! After group games his stats are quite impressive: 17 points and 17 (!) rebounds per game (http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/cid_2bqXUaQOJwYn9c2ymJyFx0.teamID_2135.compID_8aYe HlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2013.roundID_9420.playerID_8431 4.html). It is worth to mention that he is 1 year younger than the rest.

iskoch
07-21-2013, 12:06 AM
i have just checked the boxscore of the turkish game, glad with the stats...
berk uğurlu, egemen güven and okben ulubay, who are 96 and 97 (?) born kids made impressive stats.
they are a bit like backup players as all of them are younger but big talents for sure.
hopefully we can watch this team from the second round...

wardjdim
07-21-2013, 12:59 PM
i have just checked the boxscore of the turkish game, glad with the stats...
berk uğurlu, egemen güven and okben ulubay, who are 96 and 97 (?) born kids made impressive stats.
they are a bit like backup players as all of them are younger but big talents for sure.
hopefully we can watch this team from the second round...
You are right about Ulubay
I'm wondering if he's gonna play on the U16 tourney

pohani komarac
07-21-2013, 01:26 PM
You are right about Ulubay
I'm wondering if he's gonna play on the U16 tourney

as much as i know Turkish federation moved him from U-16 rooster because it was prooven he is 96. I guess FIBA didn't update his birth year

wardjdim
07-21-2013, 01:42 PM
as much as i know Turkish federation moved him from U-16 rooster because it was prooven he is 96. I guess FIBA didn't update his birth year
You must be right. All other sources apart from FIBA have him listed as 1996 born

iskoch
07-22-2013, 07:44 AM
no live stream yet?

wardjdim
07-22-2013, 08:53 AM
Nope. Knock out games should have though

pimpekaustas
07-22-2013, 10:48 AM
Is there any way that we can get Vezenkov to play for Greece instead of Bulgaria? Between him and Diamantakos it would be 2 of the best players in their class.


:confused: why should he play for Greece? btw. France is my favourite for the gold, and turkish team is "cheating" again with older players

wardjdim
07-22-2013, 10:53 AM
:confused: why should he play for Greece?
Because the guy is just writing stupid things. That kid was born in Cyprus, but is Bulgarian. That post would be just a below average joke, if it was written to produce laughter. The even worse is that it isn't bad humour. The user most likely was liking it as an idea

pimpekaustas
07-22-2013, 11:04 AM
Two years ago they were kids and their opponents couldn ´t play against zone well... now they are older and there´s only little progress in their game, except Peterka and Slanina... Kouril plays very inconsistent, he needs freedom on court to be effective, in other case he loses his head and tends to TOs...

But the biggest problem of czech U18 is head coach right now... just like in Prague on WC U19!!!


i was very happy to see in last few years czechs and poles had so many good young players, hopeing like its happening in handball right now that those two countries after few decenys of no real players can became powers again... btw i read that handball is now overall second most popular sport in europe not basketball anymore :S so basketball needs more countrys on top level. glad to see latvia good

c-myers
07-22-2013, 11:37 AM
:confused: why should he play for Greece? btw. France is my favourite for the gold, and turkish team is "cheating" again with older players

There is no fake paper guy in this team. Just a rumour about Sipahi but I watched him a few years ago as a live u15 team he wasn't seems older than the others.He was clearly child.

lafa
07-22-2013, 01:35 PM
After first quarter LTU-CZE 30-9, rebounds 18-4

GEORGE_4
07-22-2013, 02:09 PM
After first quarter LTU-CZE 30-9, rebounds 18-4

When the nightmares come true... :(

carl_pin
07-22-2013, 02:34 PM
Looks like Lithuania are going to win this one, leading 84-51 in the 4th quarter!

gockun
07-22-2013, 03:20 PM
Turkey win over very close game aganist İtaly, Kenan Sipahi run the turkish team at the end well again, the kid is amazing so far, drawing fouls, setting up tempo, dishing assist, organizing the game, unlike other teams stars doesn't dominate the ball...
very mature game much better then last year :cool:

pohani komarac
07-22-2013, 05:43 PM
Latvia to tall for us. And we clerly missed somebody who can create at moments when ofense stoped function. Hope Mazalin can recover from injury. Latvia have very talented team like I said before. Very glad for them.

Arapovic clerly strugles agaist taller players. Still showed some nice skills. Hope he can get few cm and impruve his speed so he can develope into good EL player. Don't know why Nazor uses Gulam so much. I know we look much worse with Marinelli, but Gluam does not have future, whilee Marinelli has chance to develope once he catches (or if) his age kids. Result should not be so much priority over development in junior competitions

Srle
07-22-2013, 07:18 PM
Too bad we lost all those close games. Today we demolished Russia . There is still hope for quarterfinals.

christodoulou76
07-22-2013, 07:22 PM
Greece is exiled in the 9-16 classification games, but Diamantakos continues to show that he is one of the best players in the tournament...

Joško Poljak Fan
07-22-2013, 08:22 PM
Lith's have beaten Czech by 39, France defeated BiH by 18 and Serbia defeated Russia by 45... our NT was once again damn lucky with the draw :)

An unexpected upset, England defeated Spain 75-66 with Nelson scoring 29
It's great to see Dang Akodo performing that well at the age of 17, however I got a feeling he will be the next player out of Olimpija's youth school that'll get maimed by some big name at the age of 18.

pohani komarac
07-22-2013, 08:53 PM
watching prep game england looked intrestin. Tall athletic team, but most players missed some fundumentals

respect for them

Vassilis Spanoulis
07-22-2013, 10:26 PM
Because the guy is just writing stupid things. That kid was born in Cyprus, but is Bulgarian. That post would be just a below average joke, if it was written to produce laughter. The even worse is that it isn't bad humour. The user most likely was liking it as an idea

He has been living in Greece since he was I think 15. I just asked a question. No need to get angry. Greece says they never accept any non-Greeks (as in non Greek blood or diaspora) to the team ever, but this changed with Antetokounmpo brothers. They are not Greek blood or Greek diaspora.

I simply asked the question about it, because I do not know what the new federation rules are after Antetokounmpo brothers.

Jon_Koncak
07-22-2013, 11:08 PM
Jankovic and Sakota dont have greek blood either (whatever that is)

Vassilis Spanoulis
07-23-2013, 01:46 AM
Jankovic and Sakota dont have greek blood either (whatever that is)

Greek blood as in your parents are Greek descendants and so you are also. You are right, they do not either and now Jankovic (Giankovits) is in senior team training. I do not think he will make the team, but he was invited, which means he can be eligible to play.

So obviously Greece is allowing non Greek blood players now. Antetokounmpo's were born in Greece, but Jankovic was not born in Greece. So I see even someone without Greek parents and not be born in Greece can be in the national team now.

Nothing like it used to be when guys like Seikaly didn't get papers, despite living there since being a kid and being all developed by Greece team. So things are not same as now, so why insult to others for even asking questions?

In past Seikaly could train with the national team, and work with them in practice even during tournaments. But in the games he had to set by the bench as a towel waiver. In today's time, he would have been in the team without any doubt. So the rules are not the same now.

Khalid80
07-23-2013, 07:25 AM
Greek blood as in your parents are Greek descendants and so you are also. You are right, they do not either and now Jankovic (Giankovits) is in senior team training. I do not think he will make the team, but he was invited, which means he can be eligible to play.

So obviously Greece is allowing non Greek blood players now. Antetokounmpo's were born in Greece, but Jankovic was not born in Greece. So I see even someone without Greek parents and not be born in Greece can be in the national team now.

Nothing like it used to be when guys like Seikaly didn't get papers, despite living there since being a kid and being all developed by Greece team. So things are not same as now, so why insult to others for even asking questions?

In past Seikaly could train with the national team, and work with them in practice even during tournaments. But in the games he had to set by the bench as a towel waiver. In today's time, he would have been in the team without any doubt. So the rules are not the same now.

OT: The rules keep changing in Greece regarding this... Sometimes the authorities are very strict and sometimes they are more lenient... I know quite a few non-Greeks (not born in Greece nor Greek descendants) who managed to get the Greek nationality. Most of them have been living in Greece for at least +10 years though and quite a few are married to Greek citizens. At the end of the day if you have "konne" (connections) you can always find a way to by pass the system ;)

inaminute23
07-23-2013, 08:50 AM
A superb win for England yesterday. I am very, very proud. This team has some legit talent, and are only going to get better. This is probably the biggest result ever for our national team, including GB. The UK are finally producing very good back court players. Can't wait to see Nelson and Devon Van Oostrum play together.

Markoishvili
07-23-2013, 11:05 AM
I am not very excited about Diamantakos. He is man among boys, being biggest and strongest player at the competition. Advantage that he will not enjoy on the pro level. He is subpar athlete to says the least. Runs slowly up and down the court and has slow feet. Tomic and Bouroussis have guard-like speed compared to him. Due to his poor footwork and lack of body control, he cannot be used in pick and roll game on offense. He is strickly post-up threat at this competition. He shows solid touch around the basket and good right-handed hook-shot. His passing out of frequent double-teams in only so-so. He has no game outside of the paint at the moment.

His poor agility and explosivness is making him a liability at the defensive end. He has no chance of defending pick and roll properly, so he stays in the paint. But unfortunately he is not good at protecting the rim either. His reactions are slow and he cannot get off the ground quickly enough to contest/block shots. His best case scenario is something along the lines of Ian Vougioukas.

wardjdim
07-23-2013, 12:19 PM
I will never get tired writing how badly has this Czech generation failed in only two years. Indeed it's that 1point win over the much less talented (and based around mainly one player) Greek squad that is saving to not fight for relegation!

So far this tourney is super exciting though. I couldn't see that England win coming, which is also a huge surprise and another proof that Spain is a little less disappointing than Czech Republic (the two teams that played that 2011 U16 Final game). Blame Diop, of course, but not only him. Croatia losing for the second time already is also an issue, but ok. At least it was without Mazalin again. As for Serbia and Lithuania, both dominating.. We'll see how long this will last and same goes with the unbeaten rout of France

And I disagree on the Sipahi issue. He may or may not win MVP and he may have been good in the last minutes yesterday, but his stats were not convincing. He is maybe the top prospect in that tourney

Srle
07-23-2013, 03:04 PM
One more boys for the quarterfinals spot. Very surprised how well this team is playing being big time undermanned , 6,7 standard nt members are missing . Also some players like Pavlovic and Lazarevic from 1996 generation which won bronze medal at u16 last year could have easily made this year squad.

c-myers
07-23-2013, 03:30 PM
Is there any link for Latvia-Turkey?

mbenga
07-23-2013, 03:54 PM
Is there any link for Latvia-Turkey?
+1?...

wardjdim
07-23-2013, 05:11 PM
It's killing me that there are no streams around. Seriously now, this is one of the greatest, open, topsy turvy tournaments. Turkey just got the lead 40'' to go with Sipahi's 2nd basket (out of 10 attempts) and ended up beating Latvia by 2. Ulubay was epic despite his youth

And on the other hand, despite a poor game by both Peterka and Kouril (who just hit a big trey), Czech Republic just broke the unbeaten record of France and stayed alive for the quarter final qualification

Serbia almost reached that stage with the domination of Bosnia

Spain beat Croatia (3rd loss and this time Mazalin was playing) by one point in the first match where Diop finally contributed.

Two games left. This tournament is great!

And because of FIBA we can't watch those games..

c-myers
07-23-2013, 05:15 PM
What a match! Nice come back from Turkey but I really like this Latvia Team. Porzingis and Pasecniks are really hot prospect. Okben Ulubay(96) our huge prospect he has brutal drives(Ginobili style) and clutch time player. I think he is best in our team.Clearly lottery pick prospect.

christodoulou76
07-23-2013, 05:21 PM
Diamantakos with an insane +37 +/- rating in 23 minutes played during Greece's 25-pt win against Ukraine.

wardjdim
07-23-2013, 06:03 PM
If the Eurobasket is going to be as competitive as this tourney here, we will be lucky

auris1
07-23-2013, 07:14 PM
If the Eurobasket is going to be as competitive as this tourney here, we will be lucky
Hard to say,isnt, if your,or anyone's,for that matter of fact,judgment is based on webcast.But ,I guess, people now are so used to it.I would rather just get a final score,instead of sweating before my screen and following live score.But that is just me.
Maybe they should include the clause of broadcasting tournaments live on video,at least from the second stage.
Just put one high definition web camera,thats all that it takes to make many people happy

auris1
07-23-2013, 07:26 PM
Lithuania needs a win in the last game tomorrow to qualify - luckily we have wins against Serbians and Czechs.
Scratch that,I think we are already through to Q finals,since Serbians and Czechs are playing each other tomorrow.
If Russia loses vs France,and Serbians win,we get 4th place no matter what.Damn.

gockun
07-23-2013, 08:25 PM
Lithuania needs a win in the last game tomorrow to qualify - luckily we have wins against Serbians and Czechs.
Scratch that,I think we are already through to Q finals,since Serbians and Czechs are playing each other tomorrow.
If Russia loses vs France,and Serbians win,we get 4th place no matter what.Damn.

it seems unimportant which place a group E team gets, cause all of the other group's qualifiers will make equal deal...

auris1
07-23-2013, 08:30 PM
it seems unimportant which place a group E team gets, cause all of the other group's qualifiers will make equal deal...

Sorry mate,but what do you mean?
Can you just say it in other words?
Lithuania ,i think,can still get a third place if Serbians drops the game
Unless you are saying that all the teams from group E,no matter what place are equal to group F's teams,which is never ever the case.Unless you mean under 20.Yes,it was just that

edit -
Oh shit,i got it all wrong again.
What is likely to happen tomorrow -
Lithuania wins
Same as Serbia
Russia will loose against France,i hope.
We are third then,with all 3 teams with 3 victories each.

christodoulou76
07-23-2013, 08:33 PM
Sorry mate,but what do you mean?
Can you just say it in other words?
Lithuania ,i think,can still get a third place if Serbians drops the game

I think he means that it doesn't matter what place you get as long as you qualify because the teams in the other group are all of equal quality.

auris1
07-23-2013, 08:44 PM
I think he means that it doesn't matter what place you get as long as you qualify because the teams in the other group are all of equal quality.
Sure mate,i already edited my post,no bad feelings.
But still,no way i want Lithuania to play Turkey,if that is possible

gockun
07-23-2013, 09:26 PM
I think he means that it doesn't matter what place you get as long as you qualify because the teams in the other group are all of equal quality.

yes that is exactly what i meant :D

pohani komarac
07-23-2013, 09:50 PM
I'm to tired to do math. What are posibilitys for grup F

christodoulou76
07-23-2013, 10:06 PM
Sure mate,i already edited my post,no bad feelings.
But still,no way i want Lithuania to play Turkey,if that is possible

what bad feelings? I was only trying to explain what he meant as you asked. :)

lafa
07-24-2013, 10:55 AM
If Russia loses vs France,and Serbians win,we get 4th place no matter what.Damn.

This doesn't make sense. Either way weather Russia loses or wins, if Serbia wins we are 4th. The only way Lithuania could finish 3rd, if we win, Russia loses and Serbia wins.

Scratch that. We could finish 2nd, if we win, France loses and Czechs win.

Srle
07-24-2013, 01:47 PM
Good start in our must win game against Czech Republic. Our boys really can score points in bunches .

Hepcat
07-24-2013, 02:32 PM
Coach Saulius Štombergas of Team Lietuva seemed to be getting quite incensed with his players during yesterday's game. I wonder what kind of defence he had drawn up against the Russian team though? It wasn't working very well whatever it was since the Russians seemed to be getting inside and scoring a lot from the paint.

:confused:

Srle
07-24-2013, 02:41 PM
Another blowout , we are through to quarterfinals . Last three games were very impressive. Djukanovic getting better game by game, very good sign.

christodoulou76
07-24-2013, 02:56 PM
Greece beat Slovenia to finish Group G unbeaten. Close game blown out with 23-10 4th Q. Greece had a 43-23 rebounding advantage. Diamantakos with another double-double: 21 pts, 15 rbs. Greece awaits lowest ranked team from Groups E and F; probably Bosnia-Herzegovina.

AiwiTo
07-24-2013, 04:56 PM
ltu 3-2 fra -9 srb +4 rus -9 if fra: 1-1 -5, if rus: 1-1 -5
srb 3-2 fra -3 ltu -4 rus +45 if fra: 0-2 -7, if rus: 1-1 +41

who will lose?
? fra 3-2 ltu +9 srb +3 2-0, +12
? rus 3-2 ltu +9 srb -45 1-1, -36

if fra 3-2:
2 fra
3 ltu
4 srb

if rus 3-2:
2 srb
3 ltu
4 rus


so fra is 1st or 2nd anyway, srb is 2nd or 4th, ltu is 3rd, and rus is 1st or 4th.

i didnt made any mistake, i hope so.

Srle
07-24-2013, 05:00 PM
Nelson kid is a baller.

Lietuvis
07-24-2013, 06:17 PM
ltu 3-2 fra -9 srb +4 rus -9 if fra: 1-1 -5, if rus: 1-1 -5
srb 3-2 fra -3 ltu -4 rus +45 if fra: 0-2 -7, if rus: 1-1 +41

who will lose?
? fra 3-2 ltu +9 srb +3 2-0, +12
? rus 3-2 ltu +9 srb -45 1-1, -36

if fra 3-2:
2 fra
3 ltu
4 srb

if rus 3-2:
2 srb
3 ltu
4 rus


so fra is 1st or 2nd anyway, srb is 2nd or 4th, ltu is 3rd, and rus is 1st or 4th.

i didnt made any mistake, i hope so.

If France beat Russia, then its a 3 way between LTU, SRB and RUS.

LTU v RUS: -9; LTU v SRB: +4 - Result -5
RUS v SRB: -45, RUS v LTU + 9 - Result -34
SRB v RUS: +45, SRB v LTU -4 - Result +41

Therefore:
1. FRA
2. SRB
3. LTU
4. RUS

If Russia beat France, then its a 3 way between LTU, SRB and FRA.

LTU v FRA: -9; LTU v SRB: +4 - Result -5
FRA v SRB: +3, FRA v LTU + 9 - Result +12
SRB v FRA: -3, SRB v LTU -4 - Result -7

Therefore:
1. RUS
2. FRA
3. LTU
4. SRB

Yep, same shit different spin on it :P

AiwiTo
07-24-2013, 06:26 PM
Yep, same shit different spin on it :P

:DD

So we will meat Spain/Latvia in Q. If Italy beats Croatia, we gonna play with Spain, if Croatia wins - Latvia (hosts) are our rivals.
I don't know what is better, but logically, it should be the same. We need to play the best basketball in this tournament to win that game..

GEORGE_4
07-24-2013, 07:41 PM
Russia beats France by 10 points... Inglis didn´t play all 4th quarter...

Srle
07-24-2013, 07:49 PM
Calculation time, lesson from eurobasket 2009. We are playing Turkey , game on:D

pohani komarac
07-24-2013, 09:08 PM
I guess Russia is not such bad oprtion for us sice we clerly strugle against teams wit dominate bigs

to bad this "poor man LeBron dunk" :D from Andrija Coric did not count

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G0A6o4dv1CU&t=169

wardjdim
07-26-2013, 11:43 AM
Croatia super convincing so far. Balkansport with very good stream

Great day today. That super-competitive and messy tourney will have 4 teams left only after this evening's matches

c-myers
07-26-2013, 11:56 AM
Croatia super convincing so far. Balkansport with very good stream

Great day today. That super-competitive and messy tourney will have 4 teams left only after this evening's matches

Thanks mate. I was looking for it.that's great for us.

pohani komarac
07-26-2013, 11:58 AM
Croatia super convincing so far. Balkansport with very good stream

Great day today. That super-competitive and messy tourney will have 4 teams left only after this evening's matches

FIBA Europe also broadcast for free

pohani komarac
07-26-2013, 01:06 PM
As I asumed we can play against teams without bigs as Arapovic and Zganec are undersized and unuthletic. For me our kids alredy did what they can, showing they can play without Hezonja, evrything else comes as bonus.. Finaly Marinelli played up to his potential on ofense, but again man he was terible on defense. Adding strenght and ipruving defense willl be key for him. Mazalin reinjured ankle, but got back in game. Hope he can play tomorow when his ankle gets cold

Fedorchenko is the man for Russia. I also liked Giankevich, but he looks to be their version of Zganc. Hope they bouth pull out Marko Banic type of carer, but basketball geting more and more athletic this days and I'm afraid they won't make it

wardjdim
07-26-2013, 01:42 PM
Turkey-Serbia is a great game so far. Many score leads, amazing shooting by the Serbs, the Big Three of Turkey so far performing very well and the tempo is great. Kanter also.. Wow he is like a shorter copy of his brother

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-26-2013, 01:48 PM
Turkey-Serbia is a great game so far. Many score leads, amazing shooting by the Serbs, the Big Three of Turkey so far performing very well and the tempo is great. Kanter also.. Wow he is like a shorter copy of his brother

With big three I assume you mean Sipahi-Ulubay-Birsen?

Great Turkish team, I'm watching pridefully

I agree about Kanter, first thing I thought after that post move on the left

pimpekaustas
07-26-2013, 01:50 PM
let's go serbia!

pohani komarac
07-26-2013, 02:00 PM
Uluby prooven to be to be 96., not 97. but he looks like he is 94. :D Looking pree mature kid, tough still has nice combo of skills and athletic abilitys. But questionable how much room to impruve he is left. Some early developed kids make it. He looks like he could be one of those

saritasbora
07-26-2013, 02:03 PM
Kerem is nowhere near his brother's level.
His brother was putting up 20pts 20reb like numbers at his age

pimpekaustas
07-26-2013, 02:07 PM
so this croatian team plays like team that is good, but dont see any big potential except two years younger mazalin and absent hezonja ofcourse. what is with arapović, people were right that his luck of athleticism and height will cost him some serious senior carreer

on the other hand he is very inteligent i think excellent in school also, so that might compensate for nature limits :D

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-26-2013, 02:09 PM
Kerem is nowhere near his brothers level.
His brother was putting up 20pts 20reb like numbers at his age

I meant like playing style, this is the first time I've ever seen him play and when I saw him post up I immediatly thought of his bro

Kerem isn't bad at all either by the way

c-myers
07-26-2013, 02:11 PM
Cedi Osman huge dissapointment for me by now.

saritasbora
07-26-2013, 02:18 PM
Sipahi is even legit for a 93 born.
I can see that he's limping tho.
Btw Ulubay is the real deal.

madmax
07-26-2013, 02:21 PM
why is italian kid playing for croatian team anyway?:confused:

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-26-2013, 02:27 PM
Turkey gets a lot of bullshit calls against them

pohani komarac
07-26-2013, 02:30 PM
why is italian kid playing for croatian team anyway?:confused:

He is born in Croatia. He might have Italian origins as where he comes from there is big Italian comunity. Not all Croats are Slavs. But he could even be Slav as many Croats were forced to change their last name into Italian. Anway it does not mather does he have Italian origins or is he one from those wich his grandfather were forced to change their name. He was born as raisd in Croatia and if he feals Croatia is his home he is Croatian

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-26-2013, 02:42 PM
Jaramaz is a delight, Serbian Jason Williams up in this bitch

wardjdim
07-26-2013, 02:46 PM
Kerem is nowhere near his brother's level.
His brother was putting up 20pts 20reb like numbers at his age
Of course..

I was just referring to the looks

And yes. The Big Three is obviously Sipahi-Birsen-Ulubay

EDIT: HUGE trey by Birsen (easy call for MVP of this game) at a moment where Serbia was very close to cutting the margin to one basket. Less than 2mins to go. Turkey up 8 again

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-26-2013, 02:47 PM
Of course..

I was just referring to the looks

And yes. The Big Three is obviously Sipahi-Birsen-Ulubay
Add Berk Ugurlu to that today with his buttersweet jumpshot

67-62.. fuck

pasha
07-26-2013, 02:48 PM
We are so lucky that the Serbs are absolutely horrible at Free Throws.

madmax
07-26-2013, 02:49 PM
He is born in Croatia. He might have Italian origins as where he comes from there is big Italian comunity. Not all Croats are Slavs. But he could even be Slav as many Croats were forced to change their last name into Italian. Anway it does not mather does he have Italian origins or is he one from those wich his grandfather were forced to change their name. He was born as raisd in Croatia and if he feals Croatia is his home he is Croatian

thx for the explanation:cool:
if he's indeed born in Croatia and considers himself as a croat, no problem then. This looks to be the same case as Lavrinovic bros here in Lithuania, both of whom have polish origins but were born inside lithuanian borders and were raised here. Basketball is truly becoming more and more global it seems

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-26-2013, 02:50 PM
We are so lucky that the Serbs are absolutely horrible at Free Throws.

Yes, but they've also had the luck with the ref decisions

pimpekaustas
07-26-2013, 02:53 PM
thx for the explanation:cool:
if he's indeed born in Croatia and considers himself as a croat, no problem then. This looks to be the same case as Lavrinovic bros here in Lithuania, both of whom have polish origins but were born inside lithuanian borders and were raised here. Basketball is truly becoming more and more global it seems


what are you talking man? usual bullshits. basketball is becoming more and more global cause some kid who is born in croatia and has italian name is playing for croatia? :S retard

wardjdim
07-26-2013, 02:58 PM
Turkey won by 4, but at a key moment, Birsen's 2nd FT was repeated (ridiculous call). Again, though, well deserved. It would be well deserved if Serbia had won as well. Great match, great tourney

saritasbora
07-26-2013, 03:00 PM
Game ball goes to Metecan Birsen

c-myers
07-26-2013, 03:04 PM
As expected we won! but serbia played well! we did some stupid mistakes toward the end of the match! Dogukan Sanli played well his style looks like a bit Navarro. His nickname machine already. btw Jaramaz hot prespect like speedy gonzales.

saritasbora
07-26-2013, 03:06 PM
Turkey won by 4, but at a key moment, Birsen's 2nd FT was repeated (ridiculous call). Again, though, well deserved. It would be well deserved if Serbia had won as well. Great match, great tourney

it would not be this close if this game was properly officiated anyway.
refs were favoring the Serbs I assume

GEORGE_4
07-26-2013, 03:06 PM
Serbia didn´t deserve the win, ´cause of their shitty FT - they missed 13 attempts...

iskoch
07-26-2013, 03:10 PM
We were without Sipahi, Osman, Ulubay and Birsen in the first half of the last period.
Uğurlu - Özmızrak - Şanlı - Kanter - Güven were on the court, and we increased the margin to 10 points with them...
That clearly shows what a talented and deep roster Turkey has...

However we couldn't create anything in offence except fast breaks,
Ball movements and off ball movements were not good...

Worst point of the game for me was seeing that Kartal Özmızrak, who is my favourite player in this team, didn't have development in last one year...

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-26-2013, 03:14 PM
Serbia didn´t deserve the win, ´cause of their shitty FT - they missed 13 attempts...

Serbia shot ten more free throws, if they didn't have to foul at the end that margin would have been more
And they got four more points than Turkey from the stripe (7/14) vs. (11/24) (nearly identical percentages)

Turkey was better throughout, Serbia was holding on
But it was a good game, good effort by Serbia too, let that be clear
This might've been the toughest opponent we've had to face in this tournament

pohani komarac
07-26-2013, 03:16 PM
so this croatian team plays like team that is good, but dont see any big potential except two years younger mazalin and absent hezonja ofcourse. what is with arapović, people were right that his luck of athleticism and height will cost him some serious senior carreer

on the other hand he is very inteligent i think excellent in school also, so that might compensate for nature limits :D

expecting to have 2 hezonja level prospects is way to much.

I would not piut Mazalin in same line jet with Hezonja because he looks like early developed kid. But he does have combination of skills and athleticisam. we will see

from 95. born kids besides Hezonja bigest upside has Ivan Bender. To bad he got injured badly at U-19 wc

Marinelli has tons of upside, but must continiue to work on his body, defense, playmaking and mental toughnes. But he alredy showed playing ABA legue in few flashes his Speed and skills translate on pro level. we will see

Bosnjak is erly developed kid, but still has athletic abilitys to pro level. As I sed few times before he is role player prospect. potentialy rich man Rozic. But must gain consitacncy in his shoot and work on his tragic left hand.

Gabric is limited, but consistantly improving year after year. And since he has great 3 point shot mixed with good athletic abilitys as specialist he might reach eurocup level

But Jelenek and Coric have good athletic abilitys, if they improve their skills they could have shoot at pro level. But most likley not.

There is also one kid Roso who just started to develope, he has some nice skills and picture perfct basketball body. He has chance to be one of those wich come out of nowhere

I still have some hopes of Zganec, but we will see. such kind of PF are not popular these days
.......................................

So if Hezonja maximize his potential, and let's say 50% of other metnioned it will be hack of generation. You can't expect more then that. We are not USA to produce few NBA stars, and nubers of NBA, Euroleague or Eurocup level players each generation

madmax
07-26-2013, 04:06 PM
Sabonis and Porzingis are probably two best big men prospects of their age group in Europe - both very skilled, although different players. Sabonis plays like an old school big does, with plenty of fakes and uses his off hand quite often too. While latvian is taller, more athletic and is more suited for NBA game I guess. Both should have very nice careers in NBA if things will fall in order for them

saritasbora
07-26-2013, 05:07 PM
Group F teams has dominated Group E teams so far.

pohani komarac
07-26-2013, 05:09 PM
the more i watch Porzings the more I like him. Hope he will be able to add strenght. His potetial is just insane

Hepcat
07-26-2013, 05:56 PM
In the end Team Latvija was just better than Team Lietuva today.

:(

christodoulou76
07-26-2013, 06:23 PM
how the hell did Greece lose to Bosnia in the first round? :confused::mad:

gockun
07-26-2013, 07:24 PM
so it seems Group F have swept group E.
semi finals Turkey - Spain, Latvia-Croatia

gockun
07-26-2013, 07:30 PM
it seems unimportant which place a group E team gets, cause all of the other group's qualifiers will make equal deal...

as i said before all Group F qualifiers has almost the equal power. there will be interesiting semi final games.. Spain has beaten Turkey in group games but it was a meaningless game for us and "must win" game for Spain, this time it will be different (i hope). for other game, Latvia, i think, one step ahead of Croatia

pohani komarac
07-26-2013, 07:36 PM
I'm very dispointed with Diop impruvment. He looks less skilled then last year. But Marc Garcia proovig me right. He is big prospect. Still only "kid among boys" has tons of develoment left in him

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-26-2013, 07:42 PM
as i said before all Group F qualifiers has almost the equal power. there will be interesiting semi final games.. Spain has beaten Turkey in group games but it was a meaningless game for us and "must win" game for Spain, this time it will be different (i hope). for other game, Latvia, i think, one step ahead of Croatia

Isn't it Latvia-Turkey and Croatia-Spain?

gockun
07-26-2013, 07:50 PM
Isn't it Latvia-Turkey and Croatia-Spain?

http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/cid_2bqXUaQOJwYn9c2ymJyFx0.pageID_s7lPB7CZGMQiWRuG jVFWX1.compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2013.html

http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/cid_2bqXUaQOJwYn9c2ymJyFx0.pageID_0,lkj04GICw8pku9 kyMt51.compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2013.html

Hepcat
07-26-2013, 11:25 PM
what are you talking man? usual bullshits. basketball is becoming more and more global cause some kid who is born in croatia and has italian name is playing for croatia? :S retard

While I agree with your point that this fellow on the Croatian team is indicative of nothing more than the very natural mixing of people over time, you might want to be more careful about calling any other board member a "retard". Words like that can easily come back to bite you.

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-27-2013, 12:21 AM
http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/cid_2bqXUaQOJwYn9c2ymJyFx0.pageID_s7lPB7CZGMQiWRuG jVFWX1.compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2013.html

http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/cid_2bqXUaQOJwYn9c2ymJyFx0.pageID_0,lkj04GICw8pku9 kyMt51.compID_8aYeHlfuGF-mF5IqO8aFH1.season_2013.html

Yes, you are right
Wikipedia page was wrong, good indication of how much trust you should really put in those :p

wardjdim
07-27-2013, 08:57 AM
Latvia just made the semis on a second straight competition. Their wins have been rather convincing while their losses are very close. I am intrigued to see how they perform tonight. If they make the final again, this is going to be the eighth team since 2004 (when all three European junior tournaments started taking place on a yearly basis) to have at least two straight generations reaching a final the same summer. Serbia in 2007 and Lithuania in 2008 reached a final in every one of the three tournaments, with Serbia claiming all 3 titles

The other teams:
Turkey in 2005 (U16 and U18)
France in 2009 (U18 and U20)
Lithuania in 2010 (U16 and U18)
Spain in 2011 (U18 and U20)
And again Lithuania in 2012 (U18 and U20 this time)

Dreamcatcher
07-27-2013, 03:12 PM
Slovenia to B division. U16 is already there. Last medal 9 years ago (gold U20). Are there any worries by Slovenian basketball federation/basketball people/some fans?

christodoulou76
07-27-2013, 03:52 PM
It looks like Diamantakos, Greece's best player, will not play today against Italy. It will be hard to win the game without him but Greece is hanging tough after 1Q, up 21-18.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-27-2013, 04:07 PM
Of course there are tons of things that should/could be done differently in our youth program. Our bball production centers are especialy sleeping on athleticism, selection is still far from perfect etc and with a small talent pool basicaly every talent counts, which a lot of people aren't realy aware of, I guess.

This championship we were outrebounded game after game, even by 20 or so on lots of games, yet still managed to stay close. With a good PF/C this team definately wouldn't get relegated and some of the players actualy might have a decent future, as hilarious as this might sound after the relegation, but Rebec will either dissapear due to not making a transition to senior level or become a McCaleb clone if we add some additional optimism to his development.
Don't know why "the almighty talent" Kodrin was left out, probably due to injuries again, Kokol got injured, haven't read anything about Aleksej Nikolić, I know some Krka's youngsters are missing and without a large talent pool, we of course don't have, that can basical be it. :)


But overall, this is what happens when the most of the production chain falls asleep on where basketball is heading and prefer claiming basketball hasn't change at all than individuals risking being replaced/losing their job as obviously they don't have all that "allmighty clue" of what they're doing, as they had in the 90ies basketball. Bball changed and our bball school didn't. One of the proofs would be Luka Rupnik (U20 Olimpija) would be a borderline MVP at U20 tournament if he played let's say somewhere in 1995, 1996 or so, he is a great shooter, inteligent, has court vision, great fundamentals... yet that was crucial 20 years ago, a player now first of all has to be an athlete and not some skinny dude even my granma would beat the hell out of him :) Dimec is basicaly a simmilar story... and many more every year.

Otherwise Vasilije Vucetić (Srb), Aco Lazić (BiH) Dang Akodo (ENG) are all being developed at Olimpija's youth school and judging from their statistics quite succesfully given they're 96' born. Knowledge is still there, just the focus went "bananas". Too many the likes of Jaka Blažič are getting overlooked at the younger ages due to some smartasses that are still living in the stories about Dražen Petrović, Toni Kukoć and old yugoslavian league, not realising times have changed and bball along that.

pimpekaustas
07-27-2013, 05:08 PM
and here comes the drama :rolleyes: and we had it all under control few minutes ago

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-27-2013, 05:10 PM
Thrilleritoooooooo

pimpekaustas
07-27-2013, 05:13 PM
wow didnt expect we can beat latvia

Picek
07-27-2013, 05:16 PM
great, great game by Nazor..
set to perfection..
event when we were losing by 12 he didn't let the kids lose it and start playing on their own..
pushing the ball entire game, attacking the basket..
it just shows what a good coach means to a team..
especially when you compare it for example with Brajković..

madmax
07-27-2013, 05:17 PM
croatians completely shut down latvian twin tower system and forced the opponents guards make the perimeter shots, which of course they failed to do for the most of the part. Dissapointing performance from Porzingis as well - a guy of his talent shouldn't dissapear in games of such significance. Less talented and more limited croatian team moves on to the gold medal game them

pimpekaustas
07-27-2013, 05:19 PM
croatians completely shut down latvian twin tower system and made the opponents guards make the perimeter shots, which of course they failed to do for the most of the part. Dissapointing performance from Porzingis as well - a guy of his talent shouldn't dissapear in games of such significance. Less talented and more limited croatian team moves on to the gold medal game them

says the expert lol ;)

pohani komarac
07-27-2013, 05:29 PM
Thank refs for not calling Bosnjak traveling:D

key moment was Porzignis stupid unsportsmanlike on Zganec. He was key on defense as Nazor opend clasic puting ball down low, but their towers blocekd evrey shoot and Arapovic totaly lost confidance. Good that after he decided give Mazalin ball as he puted Latvians in penalty easily

Zvigrs surpised me with athletic abilitys. He looked very skilled to me from first touch, but this is first time I was able to catch his athleticism. When he ads shoot he will be beast despite being tweener. But he still should have no problems translate his game on high level. Just question what level that will be?

pimpekaustas
07-27-2013, 05:48 PM
this croatian generation (with hezonja and bender minus mazalin) already has gold U16 european medal and bronze U17 world c. medal. saying they are limited is funny concidering the facts

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-27-2013, 06:23 PM
Stupid mistakes by Turkey and Spain made nearly everything that they tried. Same fighting spirit in the second half and we will bone them. Refs aren't exactly helping us so far either. Spain has trouble when we slow down the tempo, we need to keep doing that. And Okben needs more playing time, what a star.

saritasbora
07-27-2013, 06:34 PM
Stupid mistakes by Turkey and Spain made nearly everything that they tried. Same fighting spirit in the second half and we will bone them. Refs aren't exactly helping us so far either. Spain has trouble when we slow down the tempo, we need to keep doing that. And Okben needs more playing time, what a star.

Okben is NBA material for sure but he could do better today. Some silly contested shots and turnovers from him in the first half .
Sipahi is terrible today. Not sure if his sprained ankle is bugging him.
We are terrible on the breaks.
Would be really surprised if we can somehow pull a W today.

iskoch
07-27-2013, 06:39 PM
Another typical Turkish team...
No offensive plan. Give ball to star, bring him pick, try to create something...
No ball movement, no off the ball movement...

This is our fate in basketball, became Turkish basketball character...
From senior to youth teams play the same shit...
Peter Naumoski & Efes Pilsen tradition...

auris1
07-27-2013, 06:39 PM
Congrats to Croatians.The thing i do not get is how they managed to out rebound Latvians 53 by 33.
That is a huge,huge difference from the teams numbered both third and second in overall rebounds before this game.
Latvians perhaps will have to console themselves with this sudden explosion of talent they currently have .
And ...they have one more game tomorrow.

saritasbora
07-27-2013, 06:56 PM
Terrible offensive display by Turkey today.

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-27-2013, 07:02 PM
Terrible offensive display by Turkey today.

Well, you can't win if you shoot like 7% from the free throw line, if we lose, it's because of that


2/14 FTs, are you fuckin kidding me?

saritasbora
07-27-2013, 07:08 PM
Well, you can't win if you shoot like 7% from the free throw line, if we lose, it's because of that


2/14 FTs, are you fuckin kidding me?

welp ! seems like we are getting our shit together

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-27-2013, 07:12 PM
Well, you can't win if you shoot like 7% from the free throw line, if we lose, it's because of that


2/14 FTs, are you fuckin kidding me?

Or maybe you can... 18-3 score in the fourth.. Told you guys we'd bone them

We'd have boned them already a long time ago though if we could have shot a freethrow percentage like I shot when I was 6

saritasbora
07-27-2013, 07:14 PM
yep that will do it.
still we are better than this

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-27-2013, 07:15 PM
Ooooh baby

24-3 score in the fourth

Where are the smart pants talking about history repeating itself now?

pimpekaustas
07-27-2013, 07:27 PM
nice, tommorrow against turkish "teenagers" again. sweet revenge!

gockun
07-27-2013, 07:27 PM
wow spain made 3 three pointers in just 20 second or like that.. impressive...

saritasbora
07-27-2013, 07:29 PM
great inbound play from Turkey.
despite our coach we have advanced

saritasbora
07-27-2013, 07:31 PM
nice, tommorrow against turkish "teenagers" again. sweet revenge!

I didn't get the teenager joke?
and also are we playing against lithuania I'm confused

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-27-2013, 07:32 PM
nice, tommorrow against turkish "teenagers" again. sweet revenge!

Awhhh I'm so provoked. Other Turkish guys feel provoked too?

iskoch
07-27-2013, 07:36 PM
great inbound play from Turkey.
despite our coach we have advanced

I agree, despite our coach...
No offensive play at all, we rely on fast-breaks too much.
Yesterday also we had +30 fast break points against Serbia.
In the begining of the last quarter our defensive effort gave us fast-break chances and we took the lead.
Despite the final, such a talented bunch of player should be coached better...
They should play a fluent offence...

saritasbora
07-27-2013, 07:39 PM
has anyone saw okben ulubay grabbing his finger in pain at the end.
hope he will make it tomorrow otherwise we are effed.

gockun
07-27-2013, 07:46 PM
nice, tommorrow against turkish "teenagers" again. sweet revenge!

last year after U-16 final game, a french fella showed up and cried with tears just like you. but you are a bit different, you start early :D :D :D
just joking :D

pimpekaustas
07-27-2013, 07:51 PM
Awhhh I'm so provoked. Other Turkish guys feel provoked too?

well i'm just reading our fellow poster pohani komarac what he is saying in croatian forum, that turks look like men among children compared to spain players and he is well informed :D

pohani komarac
07-27-2013, 07:53 PM
I think peple get such idea because most turkis players look lot older then competition in this junior competitions

i guess it's do to genetics that most turks mature faster then others

pimpekaustas
07-27-2013, 07:54 PM
last year after U-16 final game, a french fella showed up and cried with tears just like you. but you are a bit different, you start early :D :D :D
just joking :D

wasnt that french fella right after all? i mean one of your best player did have false year of birth it is official now

pohani komarac
07-27-2013, 07:56 PM
well i'm just reading our fellow poster pohani komarac what he is saying in croatian forum, that turks look like men among children compared to spain players and he is well informed :D

nope i'm not informed about their age.

pimpekaustas
07-27-2013, 07:58 PM
nope i'm not informed about their age.

btw why nobody likes you on croatian forums? :S sad sad

gockun
07-27-2013, 08:04 PM
wasnt that french fella right after all? i mean one of your best player did have false year of birth it is official now

yeah he was 96 born, instead of 97 just like all other players in that tournement.. (yeah that is right, evil face on me, :D :D )

by the way as fur as i remember Pohani said Okben looks like 94 born or something like that i strongly suggest him to look this pictures and tell us which number 13 looks older..
57865787

pohani komarac
07-27-2013, 08:07 PM
yeah he was 96 born, instead of 97 just like all other players in that tournement.. (yeah that is right, evil face on me, :D :D )

by the way as fur as i remember Pohani said Okben looks like 94 born or something like that i strongly suggest him to look this pictures and tell us which number 13 looks older..
57865787

it was joke

and like i said he does look like preemature kid, but not all such type don't make it. he looks like one who can translate game at pro level despite him being developed more then most kids his age

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-27-2013, 08:19 PM
Even a year older Okben still fits this tournament's age category and last year's too
And either way he's still a "teenager" for a long time to come.. :)

auris1
07-27-2013, 08:44 PM
I think peple get such idea because most turkis players look lot older then competition in this junior competitions

i guess it's do to genetics that most turks mature faster then others

Please,not again.
I think we had enough of this shit already in WC U19 thread.
So they look older,so what?
There is nothing this forum can do about it ,only to speculate.
It is not like Turkey is innocent at all regarding changing players ages etc,but lets hope they moved on and all this is just kind of paranoia of the past.
I do hope they are what they say they are ,age wise,because there is no need to be judgmental at all if that is not the case,only to accept the fact that things might still be done that way,which would be a shame.So be it...Because...They would be paying the price later on,as in development and advancement of youth teams and going all the way to national team.

auris1
07-27-2013, 08:54 PM
And guys,ffs,Pimpekauskas is just a troll,same as Jon Koncak,who borderlines on insanity and racial slur,and feeds on responses.

pohani komarac
07-27-2013, 09:36 PM
Please,not again.
I think we had enough of this shit already in WC U19 thread.
So they look older,so what?
There is nothing this forum can do about it ,only to speculate.
It is not like Turkey is innocent at all regarding changing players ages etc,but lets hope they moved on and all this is just kind of paranoia of the past.
I do hope they are what they say they are ,age wise,because there is no need to be judgmental at all if that is not the case,only to accept the fact that things might still be done that way,which would be a shame.So be it...Because...They would be paying the price later on,as in development and advancement of youth teams and going all the way to national team.

I think people misunderstud what I said

I'm not sceptical about their age besides Sipahi because that's qite comon in Balkan (Croatia did that with Nikola Vujcic and posibly with Alesandar Ugrinoski who reportedly had fake papers) and there are strong rumours about that

What I said is that Turkish pleyers look more mature then most kids at this championship. Not that there are no such samples in other countries like in Croatia (Gulam, Bosnjak, Zganec, Mazalin)

And sometimes that mather, that's why we have late bomers and those who dominate at junior level and turn out avreage players at pro level. Like times when P. Gasol was just back up for Reyes. And smoe guys are like Dubravko Zemljic. But not all such type kids never turn out or and as average players. Kanter is one sample who turned out well at pro level. And I said before, Uluby might be "new Kanter". Kid who matured early, but can translate his game at pro level

auris1
07-27-2013, 10:13 PM
I think people misunderstud what I said...

It wasn't that...
It just that it is very a thin ice that you are you are walking on.
I surely get what are you talking about,but then again,it is not Turkey's problem if that is a case. And it surely wasn't USA problem in WC U19 when they looked so much more athletic than any given team on the court.
So i would hate to be a turkish person here on the forum to hear things like that.
They have won fair and square.Let's leave it at that.

pohani komarac
07-27-2013, 10:32 PM
It wasn't that...
It just that it is very a thin ice that you are you are walking on.
I surely get what are you talking about,but then again,it is not Turkey's problem if that is a case. And it surely wasn't USA problem in WC U19 when they looked so much more athletic than any given team on the court.
So i would hate to be a turkish person here on the forum to hear things like that.
They have won fair and square.Let's leave it at that.

I never said It's their problem

My coment has nothing with Madmax (right?) coment about USA

Neither I said they won unfair

I know my English sucks, but I thik it's not that hard to get what I'm talking abot. I never watch this junior competitions like seniors, and only thing itresting for me is what this kids could eventually do at pro level

Neither I say "bearded" Turkish players will never make it on pro level, but I guess I should have no problems beaing bit sceptical of pro potential of some kid linking that as questionmark just like i link some other kid like Porzingis his frame or Arapovic athletic abilitys. I don't think anyone should see this as insult

Hepcat
07-27-2013, 11:44 PM
and also are we playing against lithuania I'm confused

Pimpekaustas is Croatian. He's playing some type of silly game with his posting handle and the flag beneath his name. You'll have to ask him what that's all about.

:confused:

Hepcat
07-27-2013, 11:51 PM
i guess it's do to genetics that most turks mature faster then others

For whatever reason some people confuse facial hair with "maturity". I'm not one of those people.

:rolleyes:

pasha
07-27-2013, 11:53 PM
So what's up with Cedi Osman? Is he injured or anything? He is definitely much better than what he is showing in this tournament, I have no Idea why he is playing so poorly.

libriss
07-28-2013, 07:00 AM
Hi.

Curious about Your opinions on this episode.

http://youtu.be/EdnGRH-YOaE

It was 4th quarter, 1 minute till the game ends. Latvia -2. Was there a fault or no? What are your comments?


Best regards,

Upset fan from Latvia.

Levenspiel
07-28-2013, 07:25 AM
I don't know if you guys had the chance to watch the Serbia post-game interview of Kerem Kanter, but it was impressive. He may not be anywhere close to his elder brother, but the kid is obviously a fighter, and full of self-confidence, which hopefully makes him a winner. Against Spain, i think he proved that. 7 offensive rebs? It will be interesting to see how he develops.

saritasbora
07-28-2013, 03:39 PM
a little friendly advice for the spaniards
get rid of this diop guy.
he is a liability

pohani komarac
07-28-2013, 04:22 PM
I don't know if you guys had the chance to watch the Serbia post-game interview of Kerem Kanter, but it was impressive. He may not be anywhere close to his elder brother, but the kid is obviously a fighter, and full of self-confidence, which hopefully makes him a winner. Against Spain, i think he proved that. 7 offensive rebs? It will be interesting to see how he develops.

I realy liked his post game. Lot like his brother, just not big body like Enes

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-28-2013, 04:34 PM
I realy liked his post game. Lot like his brother, just not big body like Enes

And a little less crazy

Khalid80
07-28-2013, 04:44 PM
What a block on Diop by Porzingis :eek:!! That's his 6th block of the game!

Edit: Now has 9 Blocks! Almost a triple double by Porzingis

christodoulou76
07-28-2013, 05:14 PM
LOL at Greece's performance in this tournament. In the 1st round, we lose by 1 point to Bosnia and Czech Republic and get eliminated from the tournament. Then later in classification games, we beat both Bosnia and Czech Republic by 20+ points. This is the definition of underperformance - we lost to teams that we should have crushed when it mattered most. A total disappointment - the coach has a lot to answer for.

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-28-2013, 05:15 PM
Daaaamnnn good finish in the bronze game
Too bad for Latvia though

saritasbora
07-28-2013, 05:15 PM
what a thrilling game by latvia and spain

Khalid80
07-28-2013, 05:16 PM
Congrats for Spain! What a win with that 3! And tough loss for Latvia... Another heart breaking loss 2 days in a row.. Porzingis is a huge talent!
Head coach of Spain Ramon Jose :o Be careful when jumping in celebration coach :p

gockun
07-28-2013, 05:19 PM
hands down! Spainiards know how to play in clutch times. they did it yesterday but it wasn't enough.. anyway congrats to Spain

pohani komarac
07-28-2013, 05:22 PM
Hernagomez made that 3 like 35 year old vetrean. Great game to watch

gockun
07-28-2013, 06:44 PM
Okben Ulubay's poor decision making hurt us much so far...

Khalid80
07-28-2013, 06:54 PM
Sipahi!!!

Edit: After fouling out with 4 minutes remaining let's see if Turkey can win without Sipahi in the lineup... I'm saying this cuz he's been carrying and leading this Turkish NT tonight


Congrats Turkey! Tebrikler! Great win as they had a great fighting spirit for the whole game!

SaliH
07-28-2013, 07:30 PM
Good job boys! I'm proud of all of you!

Hope this generation turns into something big!

PS Let's now see who the MVP is, and the members of the All tournament team.

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-28-2013, 07:32 PM
After his performance tonight it seems like Kenan Sipahi will get the MVP

Great job guys! Amazing players, amazing team! We are proud of you guys! Türkiye!!!!! Atatürkiye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Picek
07-28-2013, 07:36 PM
beating Serbia, Spain and Croatia in three days..
deserved gold for Turkey..

pohani komarac
07-28-2013, 07:36 PM
Congrats to Turkey, deserved win and very deep and talented team

As for us I said despite Hezonja not with team I'm confident that we can make good result. And kids prooved that. I just hope all those medals in yuth categories we have finaly one day will translate at senior NT medal

Saybia
07-28-2013, 07:42 PM
Finally some guards are on the way:) If Kenan and Okben will reach their potential, together with Ömer, Ersan, Enes a nice and peaceful future for Turkish fans awaits..

UMUT_FB_LAL
07-28-2013, 07:44 PM
Thanks guys! Amazing performance by Croatia reaching the final for the second time in a row too, hope Croatia gets rewarded for always bringing new talented players in the future like they deserve to

pohani komarac
07-28-2013, 09:59 PM
Here are my toughts of some players that I noticed, tough some are just based on small samples

Kristaps Porzingis-without no doubt hotest prospect of tornament. Has evrything PF needs to have, besides body. If he gets stronger and polish his skills that he shows in flashes he could end as ome combo of P. Gasol and Nowitzki, but also could turn ito bust do to his ultra skiny body

Lovro Mazalin-Considering he played with 2 year older kids and having 2 ankle injurys trough tournament I belive I'm not overvalu him rating him as 2nd best prospects of teams I watched But I'm subjective with him. I'm always trying to be sceptic about him as there is posibility of him being just another overgrown kid, but evrey time I watch him I see improvments in his game, skills, athleticisam, even his bad shooting wich looks like Ray Allen shoot how bad it looked in past. He looks skilled, athletic with size, IQ and body control. Once he improves shoot and finishing with tighting up ball handling I got fealing he can become one of best 1 on 1 players in Europe

Kenan Sipahi-If his age corect I guess he could be one of rare white PG's in NBA. Looks like Zoran Planinic with better jumpshot and mental toughnes. Great p'n'r PG.

Okben Ulubay-Just like with Mazalin I have fear of him being overgrown kid. But nobady can't denie his skills, feal for game and athletic abilitys.

Rolands Smits- Atletic PF with good body, good post game, can shoot and looks like he has some potential for stright lane drives. Looks like sure bet to end as high level PF

Ivars Zvigurs-From first moment I saw him I noticed he has smomething in his moves, but totaly missed how athletic he is wich eventually make me love him even more. Great one on one driving with Ginobili like sense to avoid being stoped using splitted two steps, around his back, finishig from first step etc moves. But his jump shoot is terible and since he is tweener betwen 3-4 and he must get that jump shoot. Undersized even for 3 and bit big body. But looks like with his skills, sense for game and athletic abilitys if he adds shoot he is sure to be high level player

Metecan Birsen-bust in proces. He has evrything to be high level prospect and I still give him credit, but is underperforming consistantly wich make me more and more sure he will end like Zubcic, Korolev and other such prospect

Domatas Sabonis-Old school big man, but undersized wich will force him to play as PF if he does not get biger and such PF are not very hot these days. But for sure he will always be great rebounder, smart player you can count on to put ball down low. His IQ is just like his father. To bad he is not atlest 210. But as one of youngest players here he might get few cm and his dad also add few cm after his 18th birthday

Juan Hernangomez-To me it looks like he has evrything to bee good high level PF in EL. Skills, shoot, good athletic abilitys for EL and balls

Ilimane Diop-He and Arapovic go to bigest disapointments of tornament. He realy didn't show any improvments. Tough he is still tall, long armed center with good athletic abilitys that are worth like gold tody

Anzejs Pasecniks-his size of 215 looks like fake to me, more like 210-212 at best. Very mobile big man, great midrange jumper, great roll after pick. Lacks athletic abilitys and must polish his low post game. But can turn out as good EL player

Marc Garcia-he is kid among boys. Very skilld baby face killer. Looks like he grown qite bit from U-16 and might not be done jet. He is my bet to be late bloomer from this EC

Viacheslav Fedorchenko-Looks like sure bet to be high EL player. At moment more scorer, but has lot of playmaking potential. Very skilld and smart, with very good court vision. Somtimes trying to be flashy, but that's good for his age

Agusti Sans-Very skilled SG vith corect athletic abilitys, deadly driving to basket. Must work on his shoot

Paolo Marinelli-I think now without Hezonja finaly got show his ofensive talent to rest of europe. Has speed and skills for high level. There is bit Roko Ukic one on one abilitys in him. However his body and defensive potential remain big questinmark. Must cut down TO and play more as PG, but his playmaking is impruving. Realy don't know what Nazor was doing with him in first games of tornament. He is Steve Nash for Gulam

Domagoj Bosnjak-Has some borderline potential to end as high level SG, but for that he will need tons of skill work. More likley with his mentality and skills he will end as elite role player in europe

Kerem Kanter-very skilld, lot like his brother, but not big as Enes. Despite being undersized I think he has corect speed, body to mix with his skills and toughnes to make it

Karlo Zganec-heart and soul of our team. Skilled, smart player with toughes. But has 2 big downsides he can't impruve. Undersized and unuthletic. But I wannt to belive he can make Marko Banic type of carer
....................................

There are few other players that looked intresting to me, especially in Turkey like Kosut, Osman, Uroglu, Kanter
, Demir ir in England like Nelson or Okoroh but I wasn't so much focused on them when watched them playing

SaliH
07-28-2013, 11:20 PM
I think Metecan Birsen did a good job in this tournament and the stats are showing it: 11,6 pts, 7.8 rbs, 2 ast, 1.4 stl, 2TO for 26 minutes a game. He could have been easily a part of the All tournament team in my opinion but the organizers thought and decided different.

These stats are not the most impressive thing we've seen, but in the turkish squad this year, there is no room for someone to shine brighter than others, it's just a very balanced team with a deep bench where almost everyone contributed for the title.


PS I'm not really sure that Kenan Sipahi was the MVP of the tournament. :D
He has the potential to become the PG we have been waiting for a long time. He had some fantastic games and some games that were nowhere near impressive. Lacked consistency.

Markoishvili
07-28-2013, 11:30 PM
I realize many people are high on Porzingis right now, but what is his role on pro level. Who does he defend? What does he bring to the table on offense? He gets pushed around. He cannot shot, he cannot play with his back to the basket, he doesn`t know how to set proper screen. His ability to block shots from the weakside is his only real pro skill at this moment.

I don`t see him ever being player for highest level Euroleague clubs. Maybe he gets selected in the draft, but i doubt he becomes regular rotation player in the NBA either.

Btw, Mirza Begic averaged 5,5 blocks per game at 2008 U20 Euro Championship, and this season for Real Madrid he logged 0.9 blocks per game.

pasha
07-28-2013, 11:45 PM
What I liked from Birsen in this tournament is that he finally started to transition his game from a Point Forward and Point Guard at times to an off the Ball player. He has nowhere near the quickness or Ballhandling ability to be the primary Ball Handler at the Pro Level so it's nice to see that he found a new role in his game. His 3 Point Shot has improved a lot too, now just needs to work on his Free Throws...

Dreamcatcher
07-29-2013, 01:27 AM
Congrats to Turkey. Some great talents Birsen, Sipahi, Ulubay.

Sabonis is top rebounder of the tournament. And he dominated in U16 last year with 14 rebs per game. Here in Latvia he has been 1 year younger but has been one of the best centers with 2 Latvian bigs Pasecniks, Porzingis and Greek Diamantakos. I hope he will grow some cm - 207 cm tall - that's not enough for senior level, cause he's not athletic, he's old scholl center.

wardjdim
07-29-2013, 10:06 AM
Well done Turkey

That team had it all, although some of their wins were very close and unconvincing

All in all though, deepest team in the tournament, a big three, many decent role players, good chemistry and roles, enough experience from previous tournaments. Well deserved in an overall great tourney

gockun
07-29-2013, 01:34 PM
it is ugly that there is no one in all tournement team from Spain, instead of two croats or two latvian, there could have been a Spanish kid. they deserve it i think..

pimpekaustas
07-29-2013, 04:07 PM
CONGRATS TO TURKEY and 1993. born sipahi who in absence of hezonja deservely won MVP title

pohani komarac
07-29-2013, 04:51 PM
it is ugly that there is no one in all tournement team from Spain, instead of two croats or two latvian, there could have been a Spanish kid. they deserve it i think..

I Agree

my team would be

Sipahi, Sans, Birsen, Zganec, Porzingis

Remon
07-29-2013, 08:21 PM
Congratulations to Turkey

On the other hand, our coach yesterday said in an interview he was satisfied with the 11th place. So, we've come to this, finishing 2 places below England is good now. He should be fired just for these comments, and for using Diamantakos only for 37 minutes combined in the first two games.

pohani komarac
07-29-2013, 08:35 PM
Congratulations to Turkey

On the other hand, our coach yesterday said in an interview he was satisfied with the 11th place. So, we've come to this, finishing 2 places below England is good now. He should be fired just for these comments, and for using Diamantakos only for 37 minutes combined in the first two games.

you can't have talented team evrey year

and btw England has talented team. If they play in your part of draw I would not be surprised if they finished in quaterfinals. nothing negative to be behid them

tough it is strange why Diamantakos didn't play more in first games

auris1
07-29-2013, 09:05 PM
Guys,what happened to Spanish coach (Ramos?)?
Was it just sprained ankle or achilles?
I had ripped achilles years ago,and all remember was pain,pain and more pain at the same time.
If...Latvians scored the last shot,it would had been one of the most extraordinary(bizarre) stories ever in basketball.I wish him all the best though.

auris1
07-29-2013, 09:18 PM
I realize many people are high on Porzingis right now, but what is his role on pro level. Who does he defend? What does he bring to the table on offense? He gets pushed around. He cannot shot, he cannot play with his back to the basket, he doesn`t know how to set proper screen. His ability to block shots from the weakside is his only real pro skill at this moment.

I don`t see him ever being player for highest level Euroleague clubs. Maybe he gets selected in the draft, but i doubt he becomes regular rotation player in the NBA either.

Btw, Mirza Begic averaged 5,5 blocks per game at 2008 U20 Euro Championship, and this season for Real Madrid he logged 0.9 blocks per game.
For once,if you were Latvian person,you would be high for a long time,and after a while,once that feeling is gone and reality hits hard, you would stay optimistic).But that would only be if you were Latvian.
When you put things like that, and I am sure you are right like 90 percent ),I still want to give him my 10 percent of hope for the future.

pohani komarac
07-30-2013, 12:41 PM
For once,if you were Latvian person,you would be high for a long time,and after a while,once that feeling is gone and reality hits hard, you would stay optimistic).But that would only be if you were Latvian.
When you put things like that, and I am sure you are right like 90 percent ),I still want to give him my 10 percent of hope for the future.

he is to young not to have time to polish his skills wich are work in proces anway. his body is weak, but let's wait until his body is done. he does not look stupid like Zubcic so at worst he can be something like Fucka

Markoishvili
07-30-2013, 01:06 PM
For once,if you were Latvian person,you would be high for a long time,and after a while,once that feeling is gone and reality hits hard, you would stay optimistic).But that would only be if you were Latvian.
When you put things like that, and I am sure you are right like 90 percent ),I still want to give him my 10 percent of hope for the future.

I am not Latvian, but i think they have great future. I am just not very excited about Porzingis in particular. He is slightly more talented version of Rudy Gobert to me. I would take Janis Berzins over him any day of the week.

pohani komarac
07-30-2013, 06:58 PM
he is to young not to have time to polish his skills wich are work in proces anway. his body is weak, but let's wait until his body is done. he does not look stupid like Zubcic so at worst he can be something like Fucka

i wannt money for copy rights:D


EuropeanProspects ‏@ChristopheEPcom 5h
@franfraschilla @hoopspain @LukaBassin @rafjuc I agree. Fucka looks like a good comparison in terms of playing and physical profile




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