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Carick235
05-23-2013, 10:32 PM
Clubs in this season:

Serbia: Partizan, Crvena zvezda, Mega Vizura (from Belgrade, but will play in Kruševac), Vojvodina
Croatia: Cibona, Cedevita, Zadar
Slovenia: Krka, Olimpija
B&H: Igokea, Široki
Macedonia: MZT
Montenegro: Budućnost
Hungary: Szolnoki

I can already predict that this will be very bad season for Serbian clubs since Mega Vizura is just basketball agency club and it will probably play with some young players (but it can also create powerful team if their boss want), while Vojvodina simple don't have big money, first we will see if Vojvodina will have 150k to enter league at all. So this two clubs will 90% finish in bottom half.

pohani komarac
05-23-2013, 10:46 PM
Clubs in this season:

Serbia: Partizan, Crvena zvezda, Mega Vizura (from Belgrade, but will play in Kruševac), Vojvodina
Croatia: Cibona, Cedevita, Zadar
Slovenia: Krka, Olimpija
B&H: Igokea, Široki
Macedonia: MZT
Montenegro: Budućnost
Hungary: Szolnoki

I can already predict that this will be very bad season for Serbian clubs since Mega Vizura is just basketball agency club and it will probably play with some young players (but it can also create powerful team if their boss want), while Vojvodina simple don't have big money, first we will see if Vojvodina will have 150k to enter league at all. So this two clubs will 90% finish in bottom half.

I can see Misko adding some players from his agecy like Velickovic this season

I'm aslo not sure Vojvodina will play ABA league, I would not be surprised if Radnicki gets WC

Carick235
05-24-2013, 04:52 AM
I'm aslo not sure Vojvodina will play ABA league, I would not be surprised if Radnicki gets WC

They have problems, but there is big chance that they will play. Because of some debts Vojvodina also has a ban on signing foreign players or Serbian players who play abroad, because of debts they also moved from SPENS to some smaller hall. I see that their main sponsor, Srbijagas, promised that they will cover that debts, and also Ratko Butorović, president of FK Vojvodina and Vojvodina Sports Society, promised that they will help basketball club to play ABA, plus if they get help from the city authorities there should be no problems.

Novi Sad is a big city and Vojvodina has large support there but because of constant conflicts and bad management they don't have stable club, also interesting thing about Vojvodina is that this is not original Vojvodina that played in Yugoslav league but this one was created in 2000 (plus last year club merged with Novi Sad), while old Vojvodina (1948) is now playing in the Second league, and bad relationship between these two clubs contributed a lot to the poor state of basketball there.

Carick235
06-11-2013, 10:34 AM
Deadline for clubs with wild card to pay 150,000 euros is 20 June, and as Lorbek said in Sportski Žurnal if some clubs don't do it in time they will leave eight days for clubs who wish to apply for the wild card. I didn't know that Szolnoki wild card is also worth 150k as he said, i thought they give more for participation in place of some ex-yu club, i mean if they pay the same it is better to have some ex-yu club...

They also mentioned that Široki have financial problems, but I do not think it will withdraw.

Joško Poljak Fan
06-12-2013, 11:22 AM
I've just read Široki can't get those 150k € for a wild card. Široki is saying that some other teams in the past paid less and Lisac that no such thing happened.
Since the NLB withdrawed from sponsor pyramid, league lacks a sponsor on an adequate level so I wouldn't be surprised if they replace Široki with someone else as they obviously need that money to operate.

Roy M
06-12-2013, 11:29 AM
I feel sorry that MTA decided to leave the ABA lasr season.
Much options and better League then Israel.

Joško Poljak Fan
06-12-2013, 01:18 PM
Considering the way things look right now... 3rd team in BiH reportedly being uninterested, 3rd team from Slovenia having the major sponsor that's supposed to be sold within a while meaning they mostlikely won't get the neccesary money ... unless some Macedonian team purchases the wild card, Maccabi might as well be asked to join once again I guess :)

Carick235
06-12-2013, 11:47 PM
Considering the way things look right now... 3rd team in BiH reportedly being uninterested, 3rd team from Slovenia having the major sponsor that's supposed to be sold within a while meaning they mostlikely won't get the neccesary money ... unless some Macedonian team purchases the wild card, Maccabi might as well be asked to join once again I guess :)

Radnički definitely want to play ABA, its better to have club from this region than have Maccabi again, we saw that league was a big mess with them.

Carick235
06-21-2013, 09:02 AM
Now i see that ABA has extended the deadline to 5 July for Vojvodina and Široki, as i know Vojvodina is waiting for the city to approve bigger budget, nothing is certain for them (it all depends on the politicians), while Široki will probably find the required sum in time.

Also Mega Vizura will play their matches in Smederevo (picture below) and not in Kruševac, as the hall in Kruševac needs a good renovation.

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AmonRA
06-29-2013, 09:21 AM
Cibona is doing a great job:
blassingame, ?
dj , ?
saric, rozic
? ?
Planinic, Zizic, Arapovic
Maybe I miss something, but even this, make them 100% sure for minimum f4.. :D

Joško Poljak Fan
06-29-2013, 10:33 AM
They seem to be out of financial troubles and getting back to where they belong. However I don't think the next season F4 will be something self-obvious. Zvezda, Cibona, Cedevita will have quite expensive teams, I don't think Partizan would drop the level, Bodućnost will be there somewhere as ussual, depends on their luck, Olimpija still has some debt's to repay however those are slowely coming to an end and with the young core I'd expect an overall progress, MZT Skopje now got used to the level which definately means more than people would believe, Igokea will make a step forward with eurocup, Krka with their budget can't be as bad twice in a row...

4 teams will openly attack euroleague it seems, while for most others one reinforcement can make that difference to the F4, you can either be lucky and find Baynes, Strawberry or Green or on the other side Waters, Brown or someone like that. I'm eager to see what will be going on next season. Cibona coming back and Macedonians adding a decent team certanly improves the ussual level.

pohani komarac
06-29-2013, 11:42 AM
Cibona is doing a great job:
blassingame, ?
dj , ?
saric, rozic
? ?
Planinic, Zizic, Arapovic
Maybe I miss something, but even this, make them 100% sure for minimum f4.. :D

Cibona is not Cibona without Davor Kus :D

UMUT_FB_LAL
06-29-2013, 04:05 PM
MZT Skopje now got used to the level which definately means more than people would believe
I'd believe it. They've got amazing fans (so does Rabotniçki) and basketball is growing in Macedonia.

pohani komarac
06-29-2013, 05:00 PM
I'd believe it. They've got amazing fans (so does Rabotniçki) and basketball is growing in Macedonia.

Basketball in Macedonia has very long tradition, just like other countries of former Yugoslavia

however their NT basketball will drop in next years with or without Bo McCalebb

Joško Poljak Fan
07-02-2013, 04:22 PM
Olimpija had an annual assembly and showed some actual numbers for the first time, great move that would hopefully become a common practice in the future.

team's incomes were 4,6M € and outcomes 3,94M, with 0,66M profit that went straight to repaying 1,3 M of debt this season. Club has about 1,7 M debt left to players, coaches, partners etc. and 1,45M € of credit left to repay. The budget for the first team was less than 1M € last season, they intend to keep somehow the same budget for the next season, while decreasing the outcomes by additional 15-20 % if possible. It's basicaly great news as that debt was around 5-6 millions ever since 01/02. The whole debt would supposedly be entirely repaid within the next two seasons. Pretty much a huge relief.

Sulejmanović will likely leave for Barca, lots of talk of the background, but neverthless with Pipan as a head coach I don't think he is doing the best move as he'd be pushed forward in all competitions over here the way I know Pipan and he definately knows how to develop a prospect. Olimpija also gave an offer to Jaka Laković, but he'd receive much less than he can earn elsewhere and will mostlikely reject the offer.

Jaka Brodnik (204cm, 92', SF) will be our first signing, as soon as the buyout with Laško gets solved.

Khalid80
07-02-2013, 05:04 PM
Olimpija had an annual assembly and showed some actual numbers for the first time, great move that would hopefully become a common practice in the future.

team's incomes were 4,6M € and outcomes 3,94M, with 0,66M profit that went straight to repaying 1,3 M of debt this season. Club has about 1,7 M debt left to players, coaches, partners etc. and 1,45M € of credit left to repay. The budget for the first team was less than 1M € last season, they intend to keep somehow the same budget for the next season, while decreasing the outcomes by additional 15-20 % if possible. It's basicaly great news as that debt was around 5-6 millions ever since 01/02. The whole debt would supposedly be entirely repaid within the next two seasons. Pretty much a huge relief.

Sulejmanović will likely leave for Barca, lots of talk of the background, but neverthless with Pipan as a head coach I don't think he is doing the best move as he'd be pushed forward in all competitions over here the way I know Pipan and he definately knows how to develop a prospect. Olimpija also gave an offer to Jaka Laković, but he'd receive much less than he can earn elsewhere and will mostlikely reject the offer.

Jaka Brodnik (204cm, 92', SF) will be our first signing, as soon as the buyout with Laško gets solved.

Olimpija tried to also sign one of the top imports from the Lebanese league this past season, the Canadian Michael Frasier (203-F/C-1984), but he received a better offer from Igokea and thus decided to join the Bosnian team.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-02-2013, 05:08 PM
Thx for the news. Haven't yet read that anywhere. Seems as if Subotić whispered a word or two to Olimpija :)

AmonRA
07-02-2013, 05:29 PM
Igokea also does a solid job...
They extend Dozet, and tabs Uros Nikolic(C from Radnicki), Fraser(Pf/C from Lebanon :D ), Pavkovic(pg from Nymburk)...
Jorovic will not stay..


The budget for the first team was less than 1M € last season
That was before Baynes and Green or after? :p

Joško Poljak Fan
07-02-2013, 05:43 PM
Well, it would seem normal to me that was what the team paid through the season for NET wages with Baynes and Page included for those few months. Can't say it for certain, but seems feasible as Baynes and Page were only paid for 4 months or so untill they left, Waters left somewhere at that time as well and only Perković was brought as a replacement instead of those 3. Močnik, Bubnić haven't earned much, my guess would be Perković and Rupnik neither, while Murič, Blažič extremely overperformed considering their wages.

Khalid80
07-03-2013, 12:29 PM
Thx for the news. Haven't yet read that anywhere. Seems as if Subotić whispered a word or two to Olimpija :)

True ;) Subotic recommended Fraser for Olimpija as he thought Fraser would be a great fit and also because he wasn't getting a high salary in Lebanon (12 K US$ / month) yet he managed to dominate under the basket and averaged 20.1 ppg, 16.9 rpg! , 2.1 apg, 1.2 spg along with 1.4 bpg

Olimpija offered him a total of 100K US$ for the season but Igokea's offer was for 150K US$ and a very high bonus as well so it was logical that Fraser went for Igokea's offer.

AmonRA
07-03-2013, 12:33 PM
haha, Bobi the Giant :D
http://www.kkcrvenazvezda.rs/media/photos/51d40fe087039foto-d-zarkovic910_headline.jpg

AmonRA
07-03-2013, 08:19 PM
ABA league "saves" 2 direct spots for EL...
5644

Joško Poljak Fan
07-03-2013, 10:12 PM
That's no news. We aren't getting the direct 3rd place back for quite a while I guess :)

AmonRA
07-04-2013, 08:24 AM
That's no news. We aren't getting the direct 3rd place back for quite a while I guess :)
Yes, but there was rumours that ABA can stay on only 1 direct spot for EL...

Veliki_AS
07-05-2013, 03:31 AM
The management of this league is disgrace. It all starts with mr Lisac

AmonRA
07-06-2013, 09:40 AM
@Cro guys
Blassingame and Luc in Albanian club.. Is this true?
http://www.b92.net/sport/kosarka/vesti.php?yyyy=2013&mm=07&dd=06&nav_id=729852

pohani komarac
07-06-2013, 10:35 AM
@Cro guys
Blassingame and Luc in Albanian club.. Is this true?
http://www.b92.net/sport/kosarka/vesti.php?yyyy=2013&mm=07&dd=06&nav_id=729852

Lutz yes

As for Blassingame I doubt. As far as I know he resigned with Cibona for 2 more seasons. That deal was also publised on his agency site

AmonRA
07-06-2013, 10:48 AM
As I thinks so, B92 as usual spouting nonsense...

pohani komarac
07-08-2013, 11:22 AM
Siroki paid WC, Radnicki got ofer insted of Vojvodina

Joško Poljak Fan
07-10-2013, 09:45 AM
Emir Sulejmanović will sign 3+2 contract with Barca. Wish him good luck, although I believe he made the wrong choice signing with a name instead of the program.

Pipan is one of the most young talent friendly coaches in europe, with extensive experience on that part and while he didn't want to guarantee him minutes in the contract, he did offer him the starting PF job in eurocup as long as he gives out everything in practice and judging from his history he has the guts to do so. That would mostlikely mean Olimpija wouldn't sign any aditional PF but likely stay with Bubnić and for the first half of the season injured Murič, so Emir's departure is much less painfull realising the competitive aspects as he is clearly not ready for a starting PF job yet and Pipan would clearly go against the fans expectations with him. He will have to face the ussual Barca's youth dilema now.


204cm SG/SF 90' Žanis Peiners is on a tryout with Olimpija.

pohani komarac
07-25-2013, 09:38 AM
Siroki resigned Jones and add Toni Katic, Franko Kastropil and Tomislav Petrovic. Looking to add one more SG

Jones, Katic, M. Babic
........., Bilinovac
Bosnjak, T, Petrovic, Coric
Barac, Buva
Kastropil, Rikic

Joško Poljak Fan
08-03-2013, 11:08 AM
Prepelič reportedly left for the chicken factory Banvit, offer to Peiners was withrawn, Australian NBL MVP Cedric Jackson was signed and Alex Stepheson reportedly had the chance to find himself an NBA club untill august the 1st. In the mean time since my last post Rupnik gained somewhere around 3 miligrams of body mass.

PG: Jackson, Rupnik
SG: Salin, ?
SF: Gailius, Brodnik
PF: ?, Murič (inj.), Bubnić
C: Stephenson, Omić

Due to citizenship restrictions selection kind of narrows it all down as there are no quality Slovenian PF's available anywhere on the market, while there are seemingly plenty of SG's... I expect an european stretch PF, 1 Slo citizenship SG and/or preferably some combo guard as Rupnik might gain a whole decagram of body mass untill the end of the season if he gets force fed, with one youngster added to the team as 12th man.

AmonRA
08-05-2013, 04:05 PM
Zvezda :p

pg: Jenkins, Nelson, Cvetkovic
sg: Blazic, Lazic
sf: Schilb, Simonovic
pf: Savovic, ? , Mitrovic
cc: Katic, Marjanovic

Defensively, very weak on 4-5, but we will see how it looks after preparation under Radonjic...

rikhardur
08-06-2013, 04:08 AM
Zvezda :p

pg: Jenkins, Nelson, Cvetkovic
sg: Blazic, Lazic
sf: Schilb, Simonovic
pf: Savovic, ? , Mitrovic
cc: Katic, Marjanovic

Defensively, very weak on 4-5, but we will see how it looks after preparation under Radonjic...
Isn't Miličić a done deal?

AmonRA
08-06-2013, 08:41 AM
Isn't Miličić a done deal?
These are all just rumors.. individuals continue to claim that has is signed a month ago, but as we see nothing still official... Who knows :D

Joško Poljak Fan
08-06-2013, 10:53 AM
It's a helluva lineup, if they'll have good chemistry together.

I hate the fact ABA site is barely updated, whichever amateur is leading the site, it's not on the expected level even if it they would be doing this for free.
I tried to check out Cedevita and Cibona's roster and realised they barely succeded replacing Split with Mega Vizura. If this site is the mirror of profesional level of the league, than we have something to worry about. One of the most "amateur sites that shouldn't be like that", I've seen in last time...[rant/over]

AmonRA
08-06-2013, 12:47 PM
What you expect from site, when the league rules allowed that some team in "regular" phase,, could have 26-0, and then in 1/2 that team dont have any advantage, and if you lose that semifinal game, and in one game everything is possible, all yours 8-9 months drops in water...
ABA league is the most irregular league in the whole world.

pohani komarac
08-06-2013, 12:47 PM
It's a helluva lineup, if they'll have good chemistry together.

I hate the fact ABA site is barely updated, whichever amateur is leading the site, it's not on the expected level even if it they would be doing this for free.
I tried to check out Cedevita and Cibona's roster and realised they barely succeded replacing Split with Mega Vizura. If this site is the mirror of profesional level of the league, than we have something to worry about. One of the most "amateur sites that shouldn't be like that", I've seen in last time...[rant/over]

Cibona at moment

Blassingame, Junakovic
Janning, Kus
DJ, Rozic
Saric, Kuridza, Arapovic
D. Planinic, Zizic

Marko Ramljak or Tomislav Gabir most likley will be 12th player

Best Cibona starting 5 in years, but short bench with only Zizic with quality of starting 5.. But it can be mixed. Kus can help on PG, DJ on SG, Rozic and Ramljak (if he acepts Cibona ofer) Can help on PF
.....................................

Cedevita at moment

........., Mustapic
M. Tomas, A. Delas, M. Bazdaric
Babic, I. Ramljak, Mazalin
......., Bundovic
Bilan, Nurkic, Suton

For sure Cedevita will try to find PG and PF, posibly SG

A. Delas will play PG and SG as back up, Tomas will also play SF. Knowing Repesa Suton will also be used at PF

M. Mamic said Mazalin will be in first team. Well we will see is that truth. posibly Mustapic or Bundovic will be on loan, or bouth of them

Joško Poljak Fan
08-07-2013, 10:46 PM
Thanks Pohani :) however I would expect the site to be more updated nevertheless.

Olimpija signed Nebojša Joksimović (Igokea last season), considering we're desperate for 7 Slovenians quota and for a combo guard, that's by far the best possible solution.
Kodi Augustus (PF 203cm) will come for tryout, a stretch agile PF, played in some minor leagues.

One more Slovenian is needed at 2, hoping for one of the young guys, Gregor Hrovat or M. Lapornik.


@Amonra; I agree with you, it's too big of an issue to ignore it.
However I don't really believe Igokea would have made everything neccesary to play in euroleague anyway, no matter the big words. Honestly, they've costed the ABA a team in euroleague qualifiers this time. As far as I am concerned, decisions shouldn't be left to the teams anymore untill it's too late, but at the end of the ABA season skip which ever team isn't able to fullfill all the EL criteria and pass the EL/qualies to the one that does.

AmonRA
08-27-2013, 06:10 PM
Buducnost completed team with centar Jeleel Akindele, very good signing imo...
And that is now very respectable team, at least on paper :D

Capin, Ivanovic
Mihailovic, M. Popovic, Ivanov
A. Popovic, Sehovic, Mugosa
Vitkovac, Coleman, Subotic
Akindele, Komatina, Nikolic

Joško Poljak Fan
08-27-2013, 09:40 PM
A decent center was all they lacked the previous season. I'd somehow prefer Boost to Čapin but anyway.

Olimpija played two preparation games vs. Khimki, lost both the last one by 1 only, but young Croat Paolo Marinelli seems to be doing pretty well, scored 12 and 9. He hasn't signed yet with the team, but hopefully that would be the case in a short while.

Joško Poljak Fan
08-30-2013, 11:20 AM
Marinelli signed a 4 year deal with Olimpija. Now I hope that's not some sort of indication Dang Akodo would leave the team at the age of 18, while on the other hand the team seems too stacked at PG for the future with Rupnik (20), Marinelli (18) and Akodo (17)

Partizan signed another frenchman Boris Dallo, this guy has a tremendous upside in hands of a coach that knows his job. Seems like Partizan will develop the French NT tremendously within next years.

Dr. Martin
08-30-2013, 11:37 AM
Majority of them have problems with cash for probably a decade by now, so I don't really understand where is the news part here. However out of my head Micov, Baynes, Thompson, Erceg and at least 2 other noticable US players I can't remember their name... have been playing there in non-Oly/Pao clubs in the past few years - when that happens with Feni, Rabotnički, MZT or some other Macedonian clubs... than I think the goddes of common sense might reconsider the strenght evaluation in favour of Macedonian clubs :D ...untill than, sorry for a wake up call, but seems neccesary ;)

Josko,

Check ABA Standings below you will see the evaluation in favor of Macedonia Clubs against Slovenian Clubs. Just so you can see that there is evaluation....


http://www.abaliga.com/n1/Home


7. MZT Skopje Aerodrom 14 12
8. Union Olimpija 13 13
9. Krka 9 17

Joško Poljak Fan
08-30-2013, 12:10 PM
I've moved the post as it's much more apropriate to continue the discussion here :)

First of all, what you've quoted was actually on the behalf of MZT's ridiciolous claim that without Oly and Pao Macedonian league is stronger than Greek one and in no relation with the Slovenian league, but if you insist....

MZT has done a great job last season and I don't intend to diminish that in any way. However when we are talking about league strenght or such, it's always a matter of depth (number of teams), organisation, tradition as well as continuosity, meaning one season rarely showcases the true comparison between various leagues, otherwise Adriatic league would be a top3 league in europe 3 years ago. It isn't/wasn't as reality is somehow different.

I'm not in particular interested in which league is better one. I know Slovenian is in decline for a decade now, after we had 3 among euro top50 clubs around 2000 (Olimpija, Krka and Laško). At this moment the economical situation in the country is a dissaster and with the blind and deaf left goverment will continue to be so. Olimpija is in the final stage of repaying it's enormous debts and ended the last season with bigger profit than the team left would earn within a season, Krka's management are "seljaci" (my apologies to Krka's fans, not going into that Krka vs. Olimpija stuff, just stating my strong belief) that aren't capable of running a serious team, Laško group should bankrupt but still held alive somehow due to some bank coke-heads repetitous cheap loans, their team isn't getting any stronger accordingly, Helios factory is about to get sold, the future of the team is uncertain, Slovan kind of merged with Olimpija as they weren't able to continue on their own and with the economic climate even the guys that have the money aren't willing to invest it as they prefer waiting. With all those issues I couldn't care less if Slovenian league is stronger than Macedonian league as that's a "pyrrhic victory" no matter which league wins, they both still suck...

Dr. Martin
08-30-2013, 12:45 PM
I've moved the post as it's much more apropriate to continue the discussion here :)

First of all, what you've quoted was actually on the behalf of MZT's ridiciolous claim that without Oly and Pao Macedonian league is stronger than Greek one and in no relation with the Slovenian league, but if you insist....

MZT has done a great job last season and I don't intend to diminish that in any way. However when we are talking about league strenght or such, it's always a matter of depth (number of teams), organisation, tradition as well as continuosity, meaning one season rarely showcases the true comparison between various leagues, otherwise Adriatic league would be a top3 league in europe 3 years ago. It isn't/wasn't as reality is somehow different.

I'm not in particular interested in which league is better one. I know Slovenian is in decline for a decade now, after we had 3 among euro top50 clubs around 2000 (Olimpija, Krka and Laško). At this moment the economical situation in the country is a dissaster and with the blind and deaf left goverment will continue to be so. Olimpija is in the final stage of repaying it's enormous debts and ended the last season with bigger profit than the team left would earn within a season, Krka's management are "seljaci" (my apologies to Krka's fans, not going into that Krka vs. Olimpija stuff, just stating my strong belief) that aren't capable of running a serious team, Laško group should bankrupt but still held alive somehow due to some bank coke-heads repetitous cheap loans, their team isn't getting any stronger accordingly, Helios factory is about to get sold, the future of the team is uncertain, Slovan kind of merged with Olimpija as they weren't able to continue on their own and with the economic climate even the guys that have the money aren't willing to invest it as they prefer waiting. With all those issues I couldn't care less if Slovenian league is stronger than Macedonian league as that's a "pyrrhic victory" no matter which league wins, they both still suck...

I agree, we (Slovenia and Macedonia) still suck when compared with Greece. Offcourse Slovenia is still in front of Macedonia as we have only 1 good team (MZT). But yeah, there is progress in the Macedonian League, hopefully more teams will join ABA in the next couple of years.

Dr. Martin
08-31-2013, 11:39 AM
Friendly game in Gevgelija, MKD

MZT Skopje - Partizan 90-81 20-21, 21-20 (41-41) 27-17, 22-23

Partizan: Dalo 4, Mićoviić, Bezbradica 3, Milutinov 10, Vesterman 7, Pot 2, Zlovarić 6, Milosavljević 27, Malešević 13, Marelja, Šalić 9, Andrić.
MZT Skoplje: Stojanovski 7, Sinovec 21, Marinkovski, Sisarica, Lučić 14, Gajdadžijev, Đekić 5, Cvetković 3, Otašević 12, Rejnolds 21, Arsovski, Dejvis 7.


6038

AmonRA
09-18-2013, 05:30 PM
BWIN odds for ABA winner:


Zvezda 2.85
Partizan 3.85
Radnicki 6.5
Cibona 8
Cedevita 8
Buducnost 18
Olimpija 21
Mega 41
Zadar 51
Krka 51
Siroki 101
MZT 201
Solnok 301
For me, more realistic would be Zvezda and Partizan by 3, Cibona and Cedevita by 4.5

Joško Poljak Fan
09-19-2013, 09:50 PM
Olimpija managed to compose quite a decent team, can't say about the betting odd's, but

PG: Jackson, Rupnik, Marinelli
SG: Salin, Joksimovič
SF: Gailius, Brodnik
PF: Augustus, Drobnjak, Bubnić, Murič (should get healthy by january or so)
C: Stephenson, Omić

So far management is reportedly very satisfied with most of their purchases. Slobodan Subotić obviously had his hands in it and he has done a tremendous job in the past at finding US players for us.
Jackson lacks shooting touch, but is athletic defender and Australian league MVP last season, Rupnik and Marinelli will represent a bit of a risk, one due physical strenght other due youth
Salin and Joksimović must be the most defensively annoying SG couple in ABA
stole Gailius from Žalgiris by some sources, Brodnik has some upside and a nice shooting touch
Augustus is yet an enigma (supposedly extremely good shooter, stretch 4), +2 vet PF's + Dino Murič
Stephenson is beast-like strong center coming off a year long injury and Omić should make some progress

...feeling quite optimistic. Would feel even more optimistic if Dožai would get delegated to a match in Skopje and wouldn't be able to officiate any game for the season, though...

Khalid80
09-20-2013, 07:45 AM
Even though nothing is official but Riyadi from Lebanon are seriously interested and considering joining the Adriatic League under the helm of coach Subotic... My friend who works with Riyadi and is currently pursuing his Masters at the Euroleague Basketball Institute has met and discussed this proposal with a few FIBA representatives and their reactions were very positive... Main issues right now though are security situation in Lebanon due to crisis in Syria, having a basketball stadium that meets the criteria, and presence of any Israeli teams in Adriatic League in the future.

P.S: Riyadi's budget for last season was almost 3 million US$ (approx. 2.21 million Euros) and was one of the top in Lebanon and all the Middle East region (including Iranian league)

Joško Poljak Fan
09-20-2013, 12:44 PM
Well, at this current stage ABA is without a major sponsor, meaning the league depends quite a lot on selling that wild card, which Szolnoki got for half a million € (I wouldn't consider it worthwhile if I were in Szolnoki's position to be honest). Since normaly ABA is the one paying to the teams for traveling costs, the league would demand Riyadi to additional cover up those expenses as well, just as they did with Maccabi TA.

However after the Maccabi's latest participation, when they were playing on 3 fronts (europe, adriatic and antional championship) several teams resented the league for applying the schedule towards Maccabi's wishes (that obviously had a pretty tough job of playing 3 games per week) and aren't to keen on more traveling or teams that don't fill up their arena, as Maccabi relatively did.

ABA management would imo be in favour of Riyadi's participation in case they pay up larger sum than imo participation in ABA is worth, while the individual teams, basketball publicity and fans are kind of irritated by the league management and have kind of different interests on their own.

Slovenians feel 2 teams are borderline worthwhile participating in this league, no matter our 3rd team regulary suck, Croat's share the same feeling about having 3 teams only, Serb's as the most succesfull nation are questioning the reasoning behind their 4 teams only, Macedonians have ambitions for more than just 1 club... this league already takes to long and national championships are already let aside with only small portion of the season, while it won't be able to ever satisfy everyone included untill it includes a qualification round for one of it's places.


I don't think Riyadi is likely to join, most teams with common sense are very interested at the start, but refuse it later when they make some financial calculations, especially when realising Srdjan Dožai also comes with a price...

Khalid80
09-20-2013, 02:54 PM
Well, at this current stage ABA is without a major sponsor, meaning the league depends quite a lot on selling that wild card, which Szolnoki got for half a million € (I wouldn't consider it worthwhile if I were in Szolnoki's position to be honest). Since normaly ABA is the one paying to the teams for traveling costs, the league would demand Riyadi to additional cover up those expenses as well, just as they did with Maccabi TA.

However after the Maccabi's latest participation, when they were playing on 3 fronts (europe, adriatic and antional championship) several teams resented the league for applying the schedule towards Maccabi's wishes (that obviously had a pretty tough job of playing 3 games per week) and aren't to keen on more traveling or teams that don't fill up their arena, as Maccabi relatively did.

ABA management would imo be in favour of Riyadi's participation in case they pay up larger sum than imo participation in ABA is worth, while the individual teams, basketball publicity and fans are kind of irritated by the league management and have kind of different interests on their own.

Slovenians feel 2 teams are borderline worthwhile participating in this league, no matter our 3rd team regulary suck, Croat's share the same feeling about having 3 teams only, Serb's as the most succesfull nation are questioning the reasoning behind their 4 teams only, Macedonians have ambitions for more than just 1 club... this league already takes to long and national championships are already let aside with only small portion of the season, while it won't be able to ever satisfy everyone included untill it includes a qualification round for one of it's places.


I don't think Riyadi is likely to join, most teams with common sense are very interested at the start, but refuse it later when they make some financial calculations, especially when realising Srdjan Dožai also comes with a price...

Thanks for the info. Wasn't aware that teams would have to incur additional costs for travel... Also it will be definitely tough to coordinate the schedule of the games but for Riyadi this league would probably as important for them as the national league since they want to get the best exposure and play against better level competition... Riyadi would have loved to get the chance to play in the Euroleague but they would never be able to meet all the required criteria

AmonRA
09-27-2013, 01:01 PM
Zvezda completed roster, didn`t find enough quality PF, so starts season with some young players..
http://s23.postimg.org/m2i9mdwmz/image.png

Joško Poljak Fan
10-01-2013, 12:58 PM
Just few more days untill the new season starts.

It's quite hard to make some valid judgements for most of the teams, Zvezda was trying to get good reinforcements the most, obviously wants to keep themselves in the euroleague for a bit longer period.
Partizan has kept almost the same team with their youngsters upside that means tons of room for improvement.
Cedevita went "Croatian" and got rid of their overexpensive unproductive core of players from last season.
Olimpija calculated a lot with foreigners, that could fire either way, finding new Green/Baynes or Waters type of player.
Cibona has a really good core of 6-7 players, but got humiliated by Cedevita in the supercup.
MZT seems to change only minor stuff.
Igokea will be very interesting team as they've got some decent newcomers there, but wasn't winning due to names last season either.
Krka already parted ways with Nix (2 brawls in the preparation games already) and signed their old C Chris Booker instead, overall apart from D.Lorbek they can actualy be happy about the players they've let go.
Mega Vizura seems really young! Must be one of the youngest teams in the league's history.
Radnički isn't exactly on the same page there, but nevertheless among the youngest teams, surprisingly changed their whole team or so...

AmonRA
10-04-2013, 12:08 AM
We can expect more interesting season then last year and especially in battle for F4...
However, I think that Zvezda and Partizan will definitely be in first 4, and for other 2 spots, there will be a big fight..
Slight advantage in that run I will give to Cedevita and Cibona, but there is also Buducnost(which made pretty better and more compact team then last year, but there is no Radonjic now there, so we will see), Igokea(also made a strong team at least by names, but I doubt that they can again find good chemistry like last year and to be placed in first 4), Olimpija(which have really interesting and young team, but that young can be a big burden for F4, but I see them at least in first 7), Radnicki(a lot younger and maybe more compact then last year, but not so many quality individuals like last year, I dont see them in first 4).. etc
And I will also mention Mega(a lot of young and really talented player, which will play without any pressure, and that could be dangerous for all their opponents), I see them more closely to the top half of the table, then at the bottom...

Joško Poljak Fan
10-04-2013, 11:07 AM
MZT Skopje - Olimpija
First game of the season, played tonight. Olimpija is without Jackson that is lightly injured and will miss the first two weeks.
Compared to the last year Skopje mostlikely changed for the better with Sinovec, I am not sure about the US PF and not a particular fan of Uroš Lučić, but they seem stronger nevertheless. Olimpija's Stephenson is by now looking as another good revelation, Augustus seems promising to get there, however so far Olimpija has been a true brick factory from the range and with Joksimovič/Rupnik/Marinelli on the point, where Skopje seems the most vulnerabe (nevermind Otašević being a great defender) I would be positively surprised if Olimpija would manage to pull this one through.

Cibona - Radnički
Two things, it'll be interesting to see how Cibona's veterans are still able to perform and if Radnički would actually be able to assemble some good chemistry and team play as AmonRa is mentioning above, that could make them dangerous team in the future. By now I'd bet on Cibona.

Široki - Zvezda
Biggest and the smallest budget of the league, I'd expect some Široki players to stand out as they do every season however it would take a lot of such revelations for them to overcome Zvezda.

Krka - Bodućnost
Krka has lost some of the players responsible for their last season, but could lose one or two more, while instead of playing young Pajič and Bolčina on PF they brought Hukić instead. :confused: Judging from the supercup game, Buljan and Lapornik will easily make the transition to this level though. Bodućnost seems on their regular (high) level again.

Zadar - Szolnoki
I am always hoping for Zadar to finaly have a good season in ABA, but I've lost that hope quite early this season, when they've signed Đugum. I would take better roster for Szolnoki to be a favourite in Krešo's arena...

Partizan - Igokea
Definately will watch this one. Anxious to see which Partizan youngster is about to step out and how Igokea managed to build their team for eurocup. A lot will depend on these two team's level this year.
We should place bets who will explode this season Milosavljević, Lauvergne, Westerman, Bogdanović or even Milutinov already? :)

Mega Vizura - Cedevita
Mega's games will be interesting to observe with all those youngsters playing, but overall imo they are too young to make some substantial result as it later comes down to pure strenght disadvantages. Cedevita should win it, they're imo doing it the right way suddenly...

Joško Poljak Fan
10-05-2013, 02:10 PM
Pure dissaster vs. Skopje 79-60

I don't really care if it was due to supercup being played 2 days ago, one day only to prepare, long trip, Jackson injured, lack of practice together or their miserable shape. MZT is a good team and seems improved from last year, but Olimpija doesn't have the credit for losing by 20 abroad as far as ABA is concerned. 24 turnovers, resulting in 15 steals by MZT... can't remember the last time I've seen a team passing as many balls into opponents hands.
Anyway. Jackson got injured in the worst possible time right now when the games are played at the fastest pace and Olimpija can really lag behind due to it. Just as in preparation tournament in Poland and in supercup, Olimpija's shape is pretty miserable. Hopefully it's a matter of shape and not actually a players quality, as honestly unless Stephenson, Jackson and Gailius step up up to expectations, Olimpija will lack that offensive leader it needs badly...

I haven't doubted in Sinovec, while that US PF also looks good for Skopje. Čekovski and Gečevski are a year older, but after that I think they've made some good calls and improved this season. Getting a decent US PG somewhere between 150-250k € range would be a fairy tale for them...

Dr. Martin
10-05-2013, 02:27 PM
MZT Skopje - Olimpija
First game of the season, played tonight. Olimpija is without Jackson that is lightly injured and will miss the first two weeks.
Compared to the last year Skopje mostlikely changed for the better with Sinovec, I am not sure about the US PF and not a particular fan of Uroš Lučić, but they seem stronger nevertheless. Olimpija's Stephenson is by now looking as another good revelation, Augustus seems promising to get there, however so far Olimpija has been a true brick factory from the range and with Joksimovič/Rupnik/Marinelli on the point, where Skopje seems the most vulnerabe (nevermind Otašević being a great defender) I would be positively surprised if Olimpija would manage to pull this one through.

Cibona - Radnički
Two things, it'll be interesting to see how Cibona's veterans are still able to perform and if Radnički would actually be able to assemble some good chemistry and team play as AmonRa is mentioning above, that could make them dangerous team in the future. By now I'd bet on Cibona.

Široki - Zvezda
Biggest and the smallest budget of the league, I'd expect some Široki players to stand out as they do every season however it would take a lot of such revelations for them to overcome Zvezda.

Krka - Bodućnost
Krka has lost some of the players responsible for their last season, but could lose one or two more, while instead of playing young Pajič and Bolčina on PF they brought Hukić instead. :confused: Judging from the supercup game, Buljan and Lapornik will easily make the transition to this level though. Bodućnost seems on their regular (high) level again.

Zadar - Szolnoki
I am always hoping for Zadar to finaly have a good season in ABA, but I've lost that hope quite early this season, when they've signed Đugum. I would take better roster for Szolnoki to be a favourite in Krešo's arena...

Partizan - Igokea
Definately will watch this one. Anxious to see which Partizan youngster is about to step out and how Igokea managed to build their team for eurocup. A lot will depend on these two team's level this year.
We should place bets who will explode this season Milosavljević, Lauvergne, Westerman, Bogdanović or even Milutinov already? :)

Mega Vizura - Cedevita
Mega's games will be interesting to observe with all those youngsters playing, but overall imo they are too young to make some substantial result as it later comes down to pure strenght disadvantages. Cedevita should win it, they're imo doing it the right way suddenly...

MZT Skopje - Olimpija 79-60 .... Vukoicic better then Pipan.

Cibona - Radnički 1
Široki - Zvezda 2
Krka - Bodućnost 2
Zadar - Szolnoki 2
Partizan - Igokea 1
Mega Vizura - Cedevita 2

piotrek_24
10-05-2013, 03:34 PM
Cibona :D

White Chocolatovic
10-05-2013, 03:43 PM
Anyone have a good link to watch Red Star's game please ?

Joško Poljak Fan
10-05-2013, 03:44 PM
Great game in Široki, all the way from this half court 3 pointer, to Domagoj Bošnjak actually playing way better than I've expected after Fiba U18 all star...

Whatever is happening with Cibona goes beyond me. Some people might be too old and Jagodić definately isn't on the level needed for this league, but Radnički didn't seem exactly terrifying either...

Joško Poljak Fan
10-05-2013, 03:53 PM
Anyone have a good link to watch Red Star's game please ?
this one works for me (http://tashsporttvlive.blogspot.nl/2013/03/tash-sport-tv-1.html)

piotrek_24
10-05-2013, 04:15 PM
Crvena another year and another great start :D

Joško Poljak Fan
10-05-2013, 05:51 PM
Bošnjak was incredible, 17 points +4rebs +5 assists at the age of 18 vs. a top favourite... that's something.

Zvezda didn't play collectively enough, Schilb, Jenkins were solving situations through individual plays, while Nelson definately hasn't done his part of the job. Radonjić will have to work things out within his team, or else situations like this might repeat. Aggresiveness in defense is also a suspect with some Zvezda's players imo.

AmonRA
10-05-2013, 08:58 PM
All I can say.. Another year, another miss by Zvezda... We will be on F4, but another year without trophy in ABA and Serbian league.. :facepalm:
Radonjic miss everything, selection of team, especially tall guys.. Not improve attack on zone, defense from pnp and pnp even worse than last season..
Instead to bring another pg, because we had big problems last season with positional attack, he brings 2 SG (Jaka and Jenkins) and than they played less then Lazic, while Nelson spending 40 minutes on pg.. Fucking idiot :mad:

Joško Poljak Fan
10-05-2013, 09:22 PM
Radonjić did have his share in this loss I don't think he'll be there for much longer if such performances would continue. I miss the knowledge about various players to make some strong judgement, but Simonović imo did screw up quite a bit on Barać today.

Krka won against Bodućnost after 6 consecutive losses.
Armstead showed why exactly he was one of the best players in NCAA last season, 21 points (7/10 FG), 6 reb and 7 assists. It would be about time for Krka after two consecutive dissapointing seasons in ABA to play up to their potential again. The last time they fullfilled their potential was under Džikić, hopefully that' not a coincidence :)

Dr. Martin
10-06-2013, 03:30 AM
All I can say.. Another year, another miss by Zvezda... We will be on F4, but another year without trophy in ABA and Serbian league.. :facepalm:
Radonjic miss everything, selection of team, especially tall guys.. Not improve attack on zone, defense from pnp and pnp even worse than last season..
Instead to bring another pg, because we had big problems last season with positional attack, he brings 2 SG (Jaka and Jenkins) and than they played less then Lazic, while Nelson spending 40 minutes on pg.. Fucking idiot :mad:

You will miss Vukoicic :)

Dr. Martin
10-06-2013, 03:34 AM
Cibona - Radnički 1
Široki - Zvezda 2
Krka - Bodućnost 2
Zadar - Szolnoki 2
Partizan - Igokea 1
Mega Vizura - Cedevita 2


Cibona - Radnički (66-82)
Široki - Zvezda (80-79)
Krka - Bodućnost (60-57)
Zadar - Szolnoki (71-67)

This shows how unpredictable ABA league is.

AmonRA
10-06-2013, 10:16 AM
You will miss Vukoicic :)

Vukoicic was great at the beginning, but later he also starts to been lost..
I dont know whats the problem, every player, every coach, it seems all of them forget what they know when they come to Zvezda, it seems that no one can handle this kind of pressure, although it's true that in Zvezda is the biggest pressure of all club on the Balkan, but man, overcome that shit...

Joško Poljak Fan
10-06-2013, 03:25 PM
Wow, this truly was a "parni valjak" (steam machine) in the first quarter.
Partizan - Igokea 24-8 after 1st quarter.

A bit short rotation though, when will Bertans come back?

Basketball fan
10-06-2013, 03:48 PM
Wow, this truly was a "parni valjak" (steam machine) in the first quarter.
Partizan - Igokea 24-8 after 1st quarter.

A bit short rotation though, when will Bertans come back?

Probably after new year.

I don't think our rotation is short, Milosavljevic and Bogdanovic can play sf and are good enough for 30mpg so I don't see any problem.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-06-2013, 09:49 PM
I meant short more as a number of players used in overall rotation. I know Dule will of course use Dallo, Šalić and probably some other youngsters as well, but 7 players only stand out right now, 8 with Bertans and in my opinion with some longer rotation Partizan would be a lot more dangerous than he is already.

I always loved Kinsey's game, Fenerbahče letting him go 2 seasons ago was one of the least rational decisions I've witnessed in a while.

Basketball fan
10-07-2013, 05:52 PM
I meant short more as a number of players used in overall rotation. I know Dule will of course use Dallo, Šalić and probably some other youngsters as well, but 7 players only stand out right now, 8 with Bertans and in my opinion with some longer rotation Partizan would be a lot more dangerous than he is already.

I always loved Kinsey's game, Fenerbahče letting him go 2 seasons ago was one of the least rational decisions I've witnessed in a while.

Well Milutinov is injured and from what I've seen he's stronger now and will probably have bigger role than last year. There are also rumors that Stefan Markovic will sign with Partizan

Dr. Martin
10-08-2013, 08:30 AM
Szolnoki - MZT Skopje 2
Radnicki - Siroki 1
Buducnost - Zadar 1
Cedevita - Krka 1
Partizan - Mega 1
Igokea - Zvezda 2
Olimpija - Cibona 1

Joško Poljak Fan
10-08-2013, 09:41 AM
@Basketball fan; Marković would be a great addition.


Prognosing the 2nd round, all 7 matches seem really obvious, except for Cibona - Olimpija.
Szolnoki isn't a naive team, will cause some troubles, but in the end I believe MZT should prevail.

Cibona and Olimpija were the 2 biggest loosers of the 1st round, sure Zvezda also lost, but without the style these two teams were capable of. Cibona has a team from last season with additions in two reknown players for this level Janning and Planinić, while Olimpija a completely new team with tons of troubles and newcomers having difficulties accepting Olimpija's ways. I am quite afraid of this game, Cibona will want to proove they'll wake up, while some of the players of Olimpija mostlikely don't have that capacity (to wake up, that is :D )...

edit: one more prediction, if Zvezda by any chance loses against Igokea, Čović will replace Radonjić the same day :P

AmonRA
10-08-2013, 10:33 AM
edit: one more prediction, if Zvezda by any chance loses against Igokea, Čović will replace Radonjić the same day :P

And that chance rapidly increased, because Katic get injured last night, so he will miss next 10 days... Haunted club and that's it...

Ayrfon
10-08-2013, 09:25 PM
All I can say.. Another year, another miss by Zvezda... We will be on F4, but another year without trophy in ABA and Serbian league.. :facepalm:
Radonjic miss everything, selection of team, especially tall guys.. Not improve attack on zone, defense from pnp and pnp even worse than last season..
Instead to bring another pg, because we had big problems last season with positional attack, he brings 2 SG (Jaka and Jenkins) and than they played less then Lazic, while Nelson spending 40 minutes on pg.. Fucking idiot :mad:

you guys are overreacting a bit... those are still good players and it's only the very first game of the season... a week ago there was a euphoric atmosphere among CZ fans like their captain Simonovic should practice lifting trophies as he is gonna do that a lot this year...expectation were high after 0 loses in prep game, including 30+ beating of EL club Nanterre... and suddenly everything fall apart with just one lose... coach's position is threatened, club is "haunted", huge pressure on players... also some "problems" with season tickets... seriously you people need to chill out a bit...it's still waaaay too early to make any predictions for this season... you should loosen up a pressure of players and coach and support them whatever they do... otherwise it will we another wasted season... they are still no1 favorites in ABA, at least on paper...

about Markovic and Partizan...there are rumors but not sure how realistic they are...it would be great of course as he might be just what this team needs... TK getting along like he is part of this team for years... really looking forward to watching our team growing during this season

AmonRA
10-09-2013, 09:33 AM
you guys are overreacting a bit... those are still good players and it's only the very first game of the season... a week ago there was a euphoric atmosphere among CZ fans like their captain Simonovic should practice lifting trophies as he is gonna do that a lot this year...expectation were high after 0 loses in prep game, including 30+ beating of EL club Nanterre... and suddenly everything fall apart with just one lose... coach's position is threatened, club is "haunted", huge pressure on players... also some "problems" with season tickets... seriously you people need to chill out a bit...it's still waaaay too early to make any predictions for this season... you should loosen up a pressure of players and coach and support them whatever they do... otherwise it will we another wasted season... they are still no1 favorites in ABA, at least on paper...
A week ago despite 13/13 I'm also wrote that in best case we would manage in EL 2-3 wins, and I also wrote about big disbalance between back court and front court players... So there was nothing euphoric from me... But that play against Siroki, was even worse than I was taught it be...

Ayrfon
10-09-2013, 01:57 PM
i know, i wasn't talking about you in particular... but i'm sure you noticed what has been written in Serbian boards (B92 etc) before Siroki game and after... i agree about play against Siroki, but that's just the first game... i think that pressure on the coach and players is enormous which isn't how it's supposed to be... just remember Gordon's or Lauvergne's first game last season and how much progress they made... just saying that you guys (RS fans) should be patient and not repeat mistakes from last season (and before)...sacking Vlado Vukoicic, Almond, drama with Brown and Samardziski etc

AmonRA
10-09-2013, 08:26 PM
Way better reaction from Zvezda in 2nd match against Igokea, especially in defence...
But despite +20, It`s obvious big problems in position attack and some other minor stuff...
We will se how it looks against stronger teams from ABA and of course EL teams..

piotrek_24
10-10-2013, 08:59 AM
Guys, today Olimpija should win?

AmonRA
10-10-2013, 10:18 AM
Guys, today Olimpija should win?
I will not touch this game...
Olimpija still without first pg Jackson, on the other side Cibona not in good form, but it is only a matter of time before they start play their game..

Joško Poljak Fan
10-10-2013, 10:31 AM
Guys, today Olimpija should win?
Don't bet on it. Olimpija is reportedly having some troubles in the locker room and is a combination of some... un-optimal characters, to put it lightly... they aren't prepared physicaly as well as tacticaly for serious games yet and sadly might be able to repeat the story from Skopje on home court, which would mostlikely mean defeat. Olimpija might be on a verge of quite a rough start untill some things get sorted out...
Cibona did perform as crap in the 1st round as well, but they've got the same core as at the end of last year along with Darko Planinić and ex-Siena's Janning, with Spahija being a reknown coach that should be able to cope with all this, their performance in the 1st round imo wasn't what we should expect from them through the year.


I think we can already say Igokea missed with their foreign purchases this season. Sure they've played against Partizan and Zvezda, two teams expected to end at the top of the league, but last season's Igokea would give both teams a really tough run, while right now things were already decided after 3-4 minutes.
Zvezda and Partizan were so dominant that both games even became a bit boring to watch and I haven't even paid attention to those for the most of the 2nd half.
Westerman is developing into an incredible player though, can't wait to see him in euroleague.

Szolnok caught MZT in sleep and in their arena when their key players are being allowed to play through, last season they've won against even better opponents than this edition of MZT is.

Picek
10-10-2013, 07:35 PM
if Olimpija doesn't improve dramatically they are the candidate to end up last in the league..
and we are not much better either..

edit: we won by 27 point while scoring only one three pointer. Olimpija scoring only two points in the entire fourth quarter (some 50 seconds before the end) and that way we are no longer alone being the worst team ever in ABA league when it comes two points in one quarter.
I really hope Spahija will be pissed after this game the same way he was after Radnički game, allowing 19 offensive rebounds is a disaster.. we only won this game because Olimpija is extremely bad.. worse then we are and that is not an easy thing to achieve..

AmonRA
10-10-2013, 08:09 PM
What an awful game tonight, one of the worst I`d watch in ABA.. :)
And what an epic collapse from Olimpija...

Joško Poljak Fan
10-10-2013, 08:58 PM
Indeed it was an epic game :D

Hitting the rim should credit the shooter with one point. That's really unfair and that's all I've got to say about the todays game...

Situation in the team seems even worse than what I've been told it is. THE worst loss by 20 from THE worst performing opponent that actualy won here, with THE worst attitude and THE worst utter shame I can remember since 1994... felt quite optimistic a month ago and not it seems it'll again be one of those suffering seasons when visiting museums of ultra-alternative culture is less stressfull than watching Olimpija

AmonRA
10-11-2013, 10:59 AM
Igokea cuts Mays and Fraser, sign Gordic... It seems like logical solution...

piotrek_24
10-12-2013, 06:59 AM
Crvena today is a god bet? sorry for stupid question guys

AmonRA
10-12-2013, 09:55 AM
Should be, but the odd is to small.. :)

Dr. Martin
10-12-2013, 12:10 PM
After 2 rounds should be easier to predict:

Zadar - Cedevita 2
Krka - Partizan 2
MZT Skopje - Buducnost 2
C. Zvezda - Radnicki 1
Siroki - Olimpija 1
Mega Vizura - Igokea 1
Cibona - Szolnoki 1

AmonRA
10-12-2013, 09:37 PM
I expected Zvezda win, but not so brutal... Play of the game :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6ywuCHqC-7g

Joško Poljak Fan
10-12-2013, 11:26 PM
Krka upset Partizan. Westerman with a bad day, that additional PG would really be worth something.

I wish Olimpija would manage to find a simmilar anger after their debacle as Krka did...

Srle
10-13-2013, 01:55 PM
I don"t think it was an upset at all.

AmonRA
10-13-2013, 02:35 PM
Bobinator :cool: :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jzN0inyyneY

Khalid80
10-16-2013, 07:22 AM
Igokea cuts Mays and Fraser, sign Gordic... It seems like logical solution...

Fraser returned back to Lebanon and signed with his previous team from last year (Byblos). I guess he wasn't able to showcase his talent with Igokea because he's a very descent player and coach Subotic wouldn't have recommended him to Olimpija if that wasn't the case.

Vertigo8887
10-16-2013, 12:08 PM
Fraser returned back to Lebanon and signed with his previous team from last year (Byblos). I guess he wasn't able to showcase his talent with Igokea because he's a very descent player and coach Subotic wouldn't have recommended him to Olimpija if that wasn't the case.

Well I watched him only against Zvezda and he's playstyle was verry wild,he looked more like a streetbasket player, but, he had Marijanovic against him and Bobi will make troubles to C's in ABA with much more quality than Fraser.I heard that he was warming up with he's headset on, so he didn't show much seriousness by my opinion.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-16-2013, 08:55 PM
Vertigo, welcome on the forum :)

I haven't seen Fraser play enough to make a judgement, out of 2 whole games I've seen I only remember him playing something like 5 minutes without a specific effect. Igokea made some bad decisions in the offseason, lost by 30 to Karsiyaka today in eurocup.

Vertigo8887
10-16-2013, 10:09 PM
Thanks Josko :)

Yes, Igokea is far from last year team and I expect them to end up in lower half of the league table,atleast with this roster. They have "veterans" as key players, so it will be verry interesting to see how will they hold in two games a week rhytm. IMO, Gordic is definitly upgrade in regard to Mays,but they are still verry short on C position.

BTW, in 1st round of EC only Olimpija managed to win! :rolleyes:

"Never stronger ABA" thesis is really questionable atm...

Dr. Martin
10-17-2013, 04:04 AM
Buducnost - Cibona 1
Cedevita - MZT Skopje 1
Mega Vizura - Krka 1
Olimpija - Crvena Zvezda 2
Szolnoki - Siroki 1
Igokea - Radnicki 2
Partizan - Zadar 1

11/9 (55%) so far... :(

Joško Poljak Fan
10-17-2013, 09:47 AM
BTW, in 1st round of EC only Olimpija managed to win! :rolleyes:

"Never stronger ABA" thesis is really questionable atm...
I don't think there was anyone that would dare to predict eurocup would fare this way :)

I got kind of used to the fact that before the start of every ABA season people are saying it's the strongest edition ever :) and afterall they should, as it's a normal sign they're anxious to see the games and their teams.
Overall when I was writing the prognosis for the next round, even if the strongest ABA edition would have to be prooved, roster-wise this season definately seems stronger as last year's in my opinion.


@Dr.Martin, I doubt I would reach even 11/9 :)

Buducnost - Cibona 1
Bodućnost lacked an inside presence last season to achieve something substantial, they've worked on that with Coleman, Akindele and it shows a lot. They'll be very tough to beat at home. Can't get rid of the feeling that Cibona is starting kind of rusty as roster-wise they might be one of the strongest teams in ABA.

Cedevita - MZT Skopje 1

Mega Vizura - Krka 2
Krka somehow got this two faces in home-away games. It's not a disrespect towards Mega, just the fact they are way younger than the rest of the league and that shows on court with the right attitude. If Krka loses to Mega Vizura on the road after beating Partizan at home, that would kind of be a surprise to me.

Olimpija - Crvena Zvezda 1
Zvezda is a favourite, but I want to be optimistic nevertheless :) Olimpija is slowely improving step by step, Jackson reportely still questionable for the game, which means we're doomed to Rupnik...

Szolnoki - Siroki 1
Seems as a typical clash of two "home-teams"

Igokea - Radnicki 2

Partizan - Zadar 1

Dr. Martin
10-17-2013, 12:26 PM
ABA is strong this year. OK yes only 1 team won in EuroCup this week, but only 2 teams played at home. The groups are with unbalanced quality, so we should expect 3 of 7 ABA teams to go thru: Cedevita, Olimpija & Buducnost in my opinion.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-17-2013, 01:08 PM
There is no shame in losing against teams as Bilbao, Le Mans, Riga in my opinion. Bilbao is on top16 level, while Le Mans and Riga even if they don't qualify there are on pair with some euroleague teams.
As far as Olimpija goes, Ulm and Paris generaly seem underated in the public, Asvel isn't bad at all and my personal opinion is that Valencia is a top10 european team of the last 10 years, that just didn't have the chance to proove that, it'll be quite tough even if Jackson comes back.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-18-2013, 12:20 PM
Olimpija signed Jakov Vladović for a year with an option to break the contract after a month. Considering our current PG's that's actualy a big upgrade.

AmonRA
10-18-2013, 02:03 PM
And what about Jackson, is he coming back on Sunday?

Joško Poljak Fan
10-18-2013, 02:43 PM
And what about Jackson, is he coming back on Sunday?
Latest news say he might be away for some longer period, that's why Vladović was signed for at least a month untill Jackson's status would become a bit clearer.

AmonRA
10-20-2013, 10:06 PM
Nice move by Jaka

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NqxyfKt6AKI

Josko did you watch the game, I read that both teams was awful?

AmonRA
10-21-2013, 12:03 PM
Hahaha :D
http://imageshack.us/a/img811/5238/rqsn.jpg

Joško Poljak Fan
10-21-2013, 07:17 PM
Another good picture :)
6294

Olimpija is kind of promising a habbit of making the whole game along with the opponent look ugly, even Cibona that has won by 30 seemed more or less despicable :D this game wasn't an exception in particular. Overall Zvezda in my opinion lacks playmaking badly, basicaly Jenkins with individual actions, Schilb with individual quality, Blažič with energy and Marjanović with height kept Zvezda in the game. Players getting emotionaly empty after the euroleague matches is also one thing majority of people heavily underestimates. I am starting to believe Radonjić isn't capable of getting those extra results from this team.

With as intense game on the perimeter I was actualy surprised Olimpija managed to stay equal for as long, with only 2 notable guards and Vladović being less than a week in the club, Joksimovič's tiredness prevailed in the end, but overall Olimpija is slowely but steadily getting to that game expected from them.
0-4 and not even facing Srđan Dožai yet isn't really a promising start but afterall 4th to 11th team are all 2-2, meaning that Olimpija actually could catch up if they manage to pull themselves together :)

Carick235
10-22-2013, 02:44 AM
Olimpija should finish in the top half, compared to that first two ABA games last two were a big step forward, although you are now visiting Radnički and Igokea. :p

I agree with you that Red Star badly need real playmaker (or maybe better coach?!), with current ones we can definitely reach final stages of all domestic competitions but in those crucial games we will again fail.

AmonRA
10-22-2013, 04:24 PM
After 1st game I said that Radonjic isn't coach for big achievements...
As Carick said, due individual quality of players, we will reach all final stages(F4 ABA, final of Serbian league), but will not get any trophy..

Joško Poljak Fan
10-25-2013, 01:52 PM
This round will be interesting there are more games that could turn the both ways than in some previous rounds.

Cibona : Cedevita 2

Zadar : Mega Vizura 1

Radnički : Union Olimpija 2
It would be about time for Olimpija, after two catastrophes, they've lost 2 games by 1 point and it would be about time to win a game in ABA as well. I'm reading that Radnički has major financial issues and is considering stepping out of the eurocup?!

Krka : Igokea 1
Not exactly sure about this one, as not being able to beat Mega Vizura on the road, probably takes away lots of self confidence. Igokea got rid of their useless reinforcements, maybee they could find some of their interior reserves within the existing team.

MZT Skopje Aerodrom : Partizan NIS 1
I'm saying Skopje will surprise on their home court this time.

Široki Primorka : Budućnost VOLI 2

Crvena zvezda Telekom : Szolnoki Olaj 1
Using the bonus fouls to destroy their rythm and preventing fast breaks and early easy long range shots is the way to eliminate Szolnoki from winning and those issues are only a matter of attitude for as stronger team as Zvezda is.

Carick235
10-25-2013, 02:26 PM
Radnički : Union Olimpija 2
It would be about time for Olimpija, after two catastrophes, they've lost 2 games by 1 point and it would be about time to win a game in ABA as well. I'm reading that Radnički has major financial issues and is considering stepping out of the eurocup?!


That's just classic Muta story after bad results. They have strong sponsorship deal with Fiat.

AmonRA
10-25-2013, 09:40 PM
Cibona : Cedevita 2

Radnički : Union Olimpija 2
It would be about time for Olimpija, after two catastrophes, they've lost 2 games by 1 point and it would be about time to win a game in ABA as well. I'm reading that Radnički has major financial issues and is considering stepping out of the eurocup?!

Krka : Igokea 1
Not exactly sure about this one, as not being able to beat Mega Vizura on the road, probably takes away lots of self confidence. Igokea got rid of their useless reinforcements, maybee they could find some of their interior reserves within the existing team.

MZT Skopje Aerodrom : Partizan NIS 1
I'm saying Skopje will surprise on their home court this time.

Crvena zvezda Telekom : Szolnoki Olaj 1
Using the bonus fouls to destroy their rythm and preventing fast breaks and early easy long range shots is the way to eliminate Szolnoki from winning and those issues are only a matter of attitude for as stronger team as Zvezda is.
Cedevita in better momentum, but I will give slightly advantage to Cibona

I agree for Olimpija, I will probably bet on that game.. Odds 3,25 definitely worth a shot :) Although Augustus is questionable..

Krka-Igokea 50-50, maybe 1% more andvantage to Igokea

MZT without Stojanovski and Davis, so there is no chance for upset...

I`am not happy with Radonjic, and with that how Zvezda playing, but I`am surprised that you use so much words for this much.. :p Easy 15+

AmonRA
10-26-2013, 06:28 PM
Now I understand how Olimpija is on 0-5, one of the dumbest teams in the league :facepalm:

Carick235
10-26-2013, 08:43 PM
Now I understand how Olimpija is on 0-5, one of the dumbest teams in the league :facepalm:


Too bad I did not watch the game, also big win for Mega Vizura, that was unexpected although you can never be sure with such talented young team, top scorers in Vizura were players 18-20, the only exception is Varda (who is the only player older than 21). I don't like that Vizura is just basketball agency club but since it's one of the few clubs where young players actually have enough playing time i fully support them.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-27-2013, 05:44 PM
It doesn't really happen often for me to miss a game... this time I'm kind of glad I did :)

Poor Tomas, once again achilleus tendon, hopefully it won't be as bad as he would be able to continue his career.

Congrats to Vizura, I kind of didn't expect them to play like that, especialy with the psycho Varda among them.

AmonRA
11-01-2013, 02:21 PM
Igokea cuts Galloway and Gacesa, in talks with Teddy Gipson.. It would be great signing for them imo..

Cedevita didnt want Carl English(they thinks he is too old).. What an idiots :D
They wanted Seth Curry, but he rejected them...

AmonRA
11-02-2013, 07:42 PM
Referees on Igokea-Olimpija :eek: Dear lord...

Joško Poljak Fan
11-02-2013, 08:07 PM
It says the lord is supposed to have the ultimate and endless mercy, but he sure would lose that if he watched this game :)

Anyway, Olimpija lost it by themselves.... unbelievable, roster isn't bad, but somehow these players just don't work out well together. Salin is a mere shadow of a sniper he can be, Gailius, Stephenson are going from hot to cold within two games, Omić seems as if deteriorating instead of making any progress, our PF's are a definition of mediocrecy... and with that 0-6 I can't even blame Srdjan Dožai for having a part in it :S and he will definately officiate few Olimpija's games in the future... bad times I guess.
Hopefully Olimpija would at least manage to get rid of the debts this season, without that the budget for players would be double...

Dr. Martin
11-10-2013, 11:33 AM
JPF congrats, Olimpija finally won :)

Dr. Martin
11-10-2013, 11:47 AM
I will continue with my predictions...

Crvena Z. - Cedevita 1
Radnicki - Buducnost 1
Siroki - Partizan 1

AmonRA
11-10-2013, 07:09 PM
Not so great game by Zvezda, but still comfortable +14 :)
Difference between team player and "statistic" player.. Nelson 12pt-index 23, Nolan 22pt-index 10...

Joško Poljak Fan
11-10-2013, 08:57 PM
JPF congrats, Olimpija finally won :)
The Pope send a group of cardinals from Rome to confirm there was a miracle :)

0-7 would've been remarkable start though :)

AmonRA
11-15-2013, 10:42 AM
Spahija leaves Cibona, Rimac replace him..

Joško Poljak Fan
11-15-2013, 06:51 PM
Kind of expected, Spahija should've done more with that roster. I used to have Spahija in high regards, but lately his teams aren't really performing on some extra level.

AmonRA
11-16-2013, 12:43 AM
Kind of expected, Spahija should've done more with that roster. I used to have Spahija in high regards, but lately his teams aren't really performing on some extra level.It seems that he have some misunderstanding with Dj and Blass, and because he couldn't replace them due financial issues, he decided to leave...

By the way, do you agree that Jaka more "feels" Zvezda than Olimpija, and how you comment that? :)

Dr. Martin
11-16-2013, 07:48 AM
Zadar - MZT 1
Igokea - Szolnoki 2
Buducnost - Olimpija 1
Krka - Cibona 1
Cedevita - Radnicki 1
M. Vizura - Siroki 1
Partizan - C. Zvezda 2

Joško Poljak Fan
11-16-2013, 10:52 AM
It seems that he have some misunderstanding with Dj and Blass, and because he couldn't replace them due financial issues, he decided to leave...

By the way, do you agree that Jaka more "feels" Zvezda than Olimpija, and how you comment that? :)
I think you are right on Spahija case. I guess there are no as all-round coaches that can shine with just about any given team they get.

Jaka was obviously very pumped up by the crowd, he didn't always get the chance to feel that in Olimpija due to recent happenings, however Olimpija is still the team that made him play basketball in the first place and those always remain something special. :) In fact if it wasn't for Olimpija in 1995-2001 and believe it or not, Marko Milič that basicaly had a superstar status over here back than, I doubt Slovenia would produce half as many players as it did.

Zadar - MZT 1
Igokea - Szolnoki 1
Buducnost - Olimpija 2
Krka - Cibona 1
Cedevita - Radnicki 1
M. Vizura - Siroki 1
Partizan - C. Zvezda 2

Some nice games coming up, Krka is showing another face at home, while Cibona could make something out of the shocker and of course the Belgrade derby... they could've fill the arena this time, wouldn't they?

AmonRA
11-16-2013, 12:27 PM
I think you are right on Spahija case. I guess there are no as all-round coaches that can shine with just about any given team they get.

Jaka was obviously very pumped up by the crowd, he didn't always get the chance to feel that in Olimpija due to recent happenings, however Olimpija is still the team that made him play basketball in the first place and those always remain something special. :) In fact if it wasn't for Olimpija in 1995-2001 and believe it or not, Marko Milič that basicaly had a superstar status over here back than, I doubt Slovenia would produce half as many players as it did.

Zadar - MZT 1
Igokea - Szolnoki 1
Buducnost - Olimpija 2
Krka - Cibona 1
Cedevita - Radnicki 1
M. Vizura - Siroki 1
Partizan - C. Zvezda 2

Some nice games coming up, Krka is showing another face at home, while Cibona could make something out of the shocker and of course the Belgrade derby... they could've fill the arena this time, wouldn't they?
I was always said that Spahija is fancy coach, and that Repesa is "cultural version of Vujosevic", he can swim in all kind of water...
Repesa and this Cibona, would be something completely different..

Well, you are right about Olimpija and crowd...

About derby, I still think that Partizan is favorite...
Unfortunately,I thinks that madness of Vujosevic would be in spotlight again on this derby, especially if Zvezda start to play good...

AmonRA
11-16-2013, 02:31 PM
Igokea fired Bajic after 3 straight wins and very good last game against Khimki?! Wtf

AmonRA
11-16-2013, 07:48 PM
Hahaha what a last shoot from Vladovic and win for Olimpija! :D

edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMBi1ljK7cQ

AmonRA
11-18-2013, 10:55 PM
Bobinator 27 pt, 6 rb and 2 bl, index 34 :cool:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p480x480/1464650_623860641008169_357262740_n.jpg


And as I said earlier, you can not easy beat Partizan home, even if they are without one or more players....

Carick235
11-19-2013, 07:36 AM
haha that 3pt shot is hilarious ;)

As for derby, it was above all very exciting and good basketball game, the intensity of the game was just way way above ABA level and as someone on another forum said you can see from this match what impact the Euroleague has in dominance of Partizan in domestic competitions. Red Star longer bench definitely decided this match, Partizan made fantastic result with only 6 players and this is their maximum (of course they miss Vesterman, but i'm talking about available players) while we were not on the level from the last two Euroleague games. Marjanović is simple extremely dominant under basket (also 90% in free throws is just amazing for him).

Good things for us from this game is that after bad opening we stayed calm and we turned the game in our favor although Partizan didn't had a severe drop in their game, and also this team compared to that of last season is really good in the crucial final moments of close games whereas last season we had no idea what to do in the same situations.

Joško Poljak Fan
11-19-2013, 02:47 PM
Scoring 14 points in 2 minutes with 4 3pointers in the last minute and a half, while ussualy Olimpija fails to score 14 in a quarter... wow.
Vladović got himself a contract untill the end of the season with that shot.

Derby was surprisingly close considering all the Partizan's absences in my opinion and Marjanović is prooving to be extraordinary player if used properly and the opponents don't exactly have quality heavy centers.

Dr. Martin
11-20-2013, 12:32 PM
So who won the game? Buducnost or Olimpija?

Joško Poljak Fan
11-20-2013, 03:55 PM
The 3pointer counted as ussual as it's highly unlikely decisions get changed after the game. Almost too unlikely as you've seen in eurobasket.

Olimpija also appealed because of the behaviour of Bodućnost officials after the game, some threads, borderline physical violence, as far as I know people in the club were pretty pissed about it.

Dr. Martin
11-22-2013, 04:17 AM
That's what I thought.



OK... Round 9:

Cibona - Zadar 1
MZT - Igokea 1
Olimpija - Cedivita 2
Szolnoki - Buducnost 1
Siroki - Krka 1
Radnicki - Partizan 1
C. zvezda - M. Vizura 1

Joško Poljak Fan
11-22-2013, 01:24 PM
Cibona - Zadar 1
MZT - Igokea 1
Olimpija - Cedevita 1
Szolnoki - Buducnost 2
Siroki - Krka 1
Radnicki - Partizan 2
C. zvezda - M. Vizura 1

AmonRA
11-22-2013, 03:42 PM
@Dr. Martin
Why are you almost always bet against Partizan when they play away? :D
With couple of teams, they are far above all other teams in the league...
And Radnicki play very "wild" basket, they cant play against teams which play hard in defence..

Joško Poljak Fan
11-22-2013, 04:47 PM
Just as an observation not realy related to the Partizan's upcoming game, Radnički is doing good in eurocup 4-2 so far and although they've fot 3 out of their 4 remaining games on the road, they've got some legit chances to get to the next round.
I've kind of expected Cedevita and Olimpija to get through before the competition started, while I've expected other teams to do a bit better, especialy Igokea and Budućnost.

Dr. Martin
11-26-2013, 01:52 PM
@Dr. Martin
Why are you almost always bet against Partizan when they play away? :D
With couple of teams, they are far above all other teams in the league...
And Radnicki play very "wild" basket, they cant play against teams which play hard in defence..

To be honest with you, I don't like Vujosevic thats why I usually bet against Partizan. And also, as far as I know Partizan is playing w/out Westerman and Bertans, so I am always expecting their defeat when playing away.

But they have good team, I like Bogdanovic and Milosavljevic.

AmonRA
11-26-2013, 05:53 PM
To be honest with you, I don't like Vujosevic thats why I usually bet against Partizan. And also, as far as I know Partizan is playing w/out Westerman and Bertans, so I am always expecting their defeat when playing away.

But they have good team, I like Bogdanovic and Milosavljevic.
Well I am also disgusted with his behavior and his constant pressuring on referees, but I can not denied that they are at least above 80% teams in ABA league...
I dont count missing of Bertans as something relevant, beacuse they know at the ending of last season, that he will not play in next year, so that is not an alibi..
And about pg, they are waiting for Darius Morris(who wanted a two more days to think about coming to Partizan)...

Dr. Martin
11-27-2013, 04:21 AM
Its a long season, we will see what happens, at this moment even Olimpija has chances to make it to the Final 4 tournament (ABA needs to change the Final 4 to Play Offs).

Picks for next round:

MZT - Cibona 1
Cedevita - Szolnoki 1
Krka - C. zvezda 2
Zadar - Siroki 1
Partizan - Olimpija 1
Igokea - Buducnost 2
Mega V. - Radnicki 1

AmonRA
11-27-2013, 09:43 AM
There's still a lot of games to play, but I dont thinks that Olimpija can get in race for F4.. Maximum maybe for some 5th place... imo
And you are right 100% about Play Off instead of F4, but that not gonna happen, they already made decision..

Joško Poljak Fan
11-28-2013, 11:59 AM
I think the F4 will mostly be concern of Cedevita, Partizan, Zvezda and the "lucky" 4th out of the followers.
Cedevita made a good deal imho, one of the most unimpresive rosters lately, but they're playing as a team, Partizan might have troubles with injuries but I don't believe they'd fall out, while Zvezda has the best team so far. Olimpija will suffer from it's dissastrous start and would need quite some unbeaten streaks to get to a position for F4, but otherwise Radnički, Budućnost, Igokea are imo worse teams (quite another issue weather that will be prooven on court), I'm also afraid of Cibona... but basicaly we'll in my opinion once again witness quite some teams in the range of 4th place within the last few rounds, something around the score 16-10 or even 15-11 as it happened in 2010 and 11.

If Cedevita, Zvezda and Partizan would be dominant playing the rest of the teams 15-11 being enough for 4th place is possible, Olimpija reaching there, not the most likely thing on this planet, but it's possible :) In my opinion Olimpija will eventualy get there somewhere around 5th, 6th place though, just as AmonRa said. After the starting weeks of the league, it's fine with me, as long as we get to the eurocup. If the club sanation will go the way optimists are saying, than Olimpija should have twice the players budget it has right now in 2014/15 so than F4 will once again be more realistic.

Eh, screw it, we'll won the eurocup instead to get to euroleague, we've done that the last time we played there 20 years ago, so why not :D :P

AmonRA
11-29-2013, 01:53 PM
Josko you need to beat Partizan, if you don't, you'll be banned :p

By the way, do you know status of injured players in Krka(Hukic, Armstead, Muric), will they play against Zvezda?
On the other side, Zvezda will play without Katic..

Joško Poljak Fan
11-29-2013, 05:29 PM
If that helped, I would gladly ban myself before every game Olimpija plays :D

Armstead is out for quite some time, he surely won't play, can't find anything about how is Hukić doing, while Edo Murič's injury a while ago reportedly wasn't considered realy bad back than.
Krka can be annoying to play against when they're at home, unlike when visiting, however against Zvezda my guess is that Armstead and Hukić kind of meant too much for them and would be surprised if they managed an upset. It kind of seems they will sadly once again underperform in ABA, just as Olimpija generaly tends to in the last decade.

AmonRA
11-30-2013, 10:11 PM
Brutal injury of young Mitrovic tonight, he's already operated...
http://s.tf.rs/2013/11/30/Luka-Mitrovic.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6BIyCgEzus

Joško Poljak Fan
12-01-2013, 12:20 AM
Too bad for Mitrović, he was one of my favourite players to watch in Zvezda.

Krka doesn't even remotely have enough quality without their 3 best players and it was mostly a piece of cake for Zvezda, a steal or two there, some easily broken defensive rotations and an easy advantage. The only bright spot for Krka was Bolčina, that isn't receiving the minutes he imo would normaly deserve anyway (compared to Pavič and Booker)

Picek
12-01-2013, 01:17 PM
we may not be having a good season in eurocup (actually it is horrible and way below my expectations before the season) but our ABA campaign is going well..
7-3 currently, and if we can win our next two home games we will go with good score to Belgrade where we will end our first half of the season..
but in the second half of the season we are playing home games against three teams out of first five teams and also Olimpija who has voke up already now (also Krka)..
knowing that, this 7-3 is not all that bad (especially since it is also our best start in the last couple of seasons)
the only debacle basicly was a Radnički game..
but considering their current situation (Yarou left the club on his own) we could be in a position to erase that loss with a win in Kragujevac in the last game of the year..

that is what you have when you look at our win-loss situation.. but looking it more deeper we are still far from what I expected we could look like this season..
although erasing 26 point deficit in 24 minutes and winning the game by 5 yesterday.. I must admit I can't remember when was the last time we did that.

Dr. Martin
12-03-2013, 02:44 PM
I will continue with my usually wrong predictions:

25/19 or 57% accuracy :(

Siroki - MZT 1
Buducnost - Cedevita 1
Radnicki - Krka 2
Szolnoki - Partizan 1
Cibona - Igokea 1
Olimpija - M. Vizura 1
C. zvezda - Zadar 1

Milos.Djuric
12-04-2013, 11:57 AM
I will continue with my usually wrong predictions:

25/19 or 57% accuracy :(

Siroki - MZT 1
Buducnost - Cedevita 1
Radnicki - Krka 2
Szolnoki - Partizan 1
Cibona - Igokea 1
Olimpija - M. Vizura 1
C. zvezda - Zadar 1

Well, you are correct in more than half of the cases, so not bad in general :D
Beside RS, Partizan and Cedevita, I would say that the top contender for the 4th place is Buducnost. IMHO. Of course Cibona has a much higher chance to get to ff now, but I think a lot depends on their shape until the end and winning some key games.

Joško Poljak Fan
12-05-2013, 10:56 AM
Olimpija performed pretty bad vs. Partizan and I was kind of wondering weather they're going downwards once again, right up untill yesterday when they've obviously switched into a higher gear and beated Valencia on their court. Hot & cold, nevertheless with every round I realise how much this bad start is going to hurt at the end.

Dr.Martin :D don't bet on Krka abroad if you trully want to improve your %. Armstead is out, just as Hukić and not sure if Murić will play... but even if he does they're still without 2 out of their best 3 players

Dr. Martin
12-07-2013, 06:19 AM
Olimpija performed pretty bad vs. Partizan and I was kind of wondering weather they're going downwards once again, right up untill yesterday when they've obviously switched into a higher gear and beated Valencia on their court. Hot & cold, nevertheless with every round I realise how much this bad start is going to hurt at the end.

Dr.Martin :D don't bet on Krka abroad if you trully want to improve your %. Armstead is out, just as Hukić and not sure if Murić will play... but even if he does they're still without 2 out of their best 3 players

Siroki - MZT 1 - MZT still lost in space
Buducnost - Cedevita 1 - I believe in Buducnost they have a good team, Cedevita is better but Buducnost is playing home
Radnicki - Krka 2 - I didn't know that Krka is missing players, but I still think that they can win this, Dzikic is better coach and Radnicki is missing Yarou ??
Szolnoki - Partizan 1 - Still chasing Patizans on road defeat
Cibona - Igokea 1 - Cibona is on fire
Olimpija - M. Vizura 1 - Olimpija or Mega, home court adventage
C. zvezda - Zadar 1 - no comment :)

Dr. Martin
12-07-2013, 06:30 AM
Well, you are correct in more than half of the cases, so not bad in general :D
Beside RS, Partizan and Cedevita, I would say that the top contender for the 4th place is Buducnost. IMHO. Of course Cibona has a much higher chance to get to ff now, but I think a lot depends on their shape until the end and winning some key games.

My F4 prediction at this moment:

1. C. zvezda 20-6
2. Cedevita 19-7
3. Cibona 18-8
4. Partizan 18-8

Joško Poljak Fan
12-07-2013, 11:29 AM
Those are the teams I see as mostlikely to reach F4 as well.

Siroki - MZT 1
Široki is a typical home team, as for MZT I resent them for hireing Martič, he was a co-commentator on ABA broadcast and I really enjoyed his comments, wish him all the luck, while the post-coach-replacement shocker is never to be underestimated.

Buducnost - Cedevita 2
Cedevita finaly on the right path, with local core of player and only few quality additions. They're in my opinion playing on one level above Budućnost at the moment. Winning in Moraća sure isn't something to be taken for granted, but imo Cedevita should manage it

Radnicki - Krka 1
Even if Murič comes back, Armstead missing hurts Krka a lot, Hukić as well, younger players can't fill up the void.

Szolnoki - Partizan 2
The thing with Szolnoki is more or less about the pace. Getting scared of the defensive pressure, leading to TO's and fast breaks or starting without the same ammount of energy, potentialy letting them hit some crazy shots will get their self confidence up and they'll resist in the same pace through the game. Starting out hard, matching their energy and avoiding stupid mistakes can make them settle with loss quicker and make that for an easy game. In either of the scenario's Partizan should win.

Cibona - Igokea 1
Heard some rumours Cibona is having issues paying their players? If it's true, that can have some influence on the matter.

Olimpija - M. Vizura 1
After one of the best performances in last few years winning abroad against Valencia, which actualy wasn't really playing bad at all, I'd like to believe a win against Mega Vizura should be self-obvious, but than again, Partizan was completely beatable last round as well and Olimpija choked through 3 out of 4 quarters.

C. zvezda - Zadar 1
A clear quality difference in favour of Zvezda

Dr. Martin
12-08-2013, 08:04 AM
Euro TOP 100

http://www.eurobasket.com/service/basketball-ranking.asp

I see Borac but I dont see MZT LOL

Joško Poljak Fan
12-08-2013, 11:03 AM
Don't take those too seriously :) They're trying to make a list and through their ranking system of course some weird stuff appears.
Helios is 73th and Crnakosa 83th :D what's up with that, a secondary club of Mega Frizura maybee?

Partizane
12-08-2013, 06:09 PM
Partizan, omg :(

AmonRA
12-08-2013, 07:24 PM
Szolnoki - Partizan 1 - Still chasing Patizans on road defeat

Gongratz Dr. Martin, you finally catch them :p
It`s not so common, that they drop +17, especially against team like Szolnok...

Dr. Martin
12-09-2013, 04:59 AM
Gongratz Dr. Martin, you finally catch them :p
It`s not so common, that they drop +17, especially against team like Szolnok...

Thanks AmonRA :) I love to see Dule V. pissed off :D

Dr. Martin
12-09-2013, 05:32 AM
Don't take those too seriously :) They're trying to make a list and through their ranking system of course some weird stuff appears.
Helios is 73th and Crnakosa 83th :D what's up with that, a secondary club of Mega Frizura maybee?

Yeah right :))) check out Levski in the Balkan League. Not sure how they make it to TOP 100. Kumanovo should be in front of them LOL

http://www.balkanleague.net/en/index.php

Joško Poljak Fan
12-09-2013, 11:46 AM
I didn't see that one coming. I guess Partizan really could use a PG even if they were good at hiding that in the last few games.

As far as Cibona goes, Žižić reportedly is looking for another club as he is not paid.

Milos.Djuric
12-09-2013, 11:28 PM
I will continue with my usually wrong predictions

Haha, after this statement you managed to predict a win of a bottom 3 team against a top 3 team, in a game that had the course it had :D

Routine victory for Red Star after that moment when they almost gambled away their advantage like Partizan did. Red Star will probably finish first in ABA on the half season, but I'm not sure where will Radonjic take this team once the playoffs come.

Joško Poljak Fan
12-09-2013, 11:34 PM
Sani Baetzchwirowitchsz seems to be getting back to Krka. They desperately need another guard in the rotation (Klobučar with unexperienced Lapornik and young Rojc just isn't good enough), so even if he isn't on the same level as he used to be, that's a great signing for Krka. They'll reportedly try to hurry up so Sani could play in the next round against Olimpija.

Dr. Martin
12-10-2013, 12:43 PM
Haha, after this statement you managed to predict a win of a bottom 3 team against a top 3 team, in a game that had the course it had :D

Routine victory for Red Star after that moment when they almost gambled away their advantage like Partizan did. Red Star will probably finish first in ABA on the half season, but I'm not sure where will Radonjic take this team once the playoffs come.

59 % now :)

30/21

Dr. Martin
12-10-2013, 12:48 PM
Sani Baetzchwirowitchsz seems to be getting back to Krka. They desperately need another guard in the rotation (Klobučar with unexperienced Lapornik and young Rojc just isn't good enough), so even if he isn't on the same level as he used to be, that's a great signing for Krka. They'll reportedly try to hurry up so Sani could play in the next round against Olimpija.

http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Sani_Becirovic/Slovenia/Krka_Novo_Mesto/8119

He is playing in Iran? :confused: I wonder how much money he is making...

By the way do you guys know if the teams playing in the EuroCup are making some money of it.

Dr. Martin
12-10-2013, 01:11 PM
I guess Smush Parker signed for MZT hopefully he is better then Otasevic.

http://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/FYR-Macedonia/KK_MZT_Skopje_Aerodrom/612?Page=1

Joško Poljak Fan
12-10-2013, 03:15 PM
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Sani_Becirovic/Slovenia/Krka_Novo_Mesto/8119

He is playing in Iran? :confused: I wonder how much money he is making...

By the way do you guys know if the teams playing in the EuroCup are making some money of it.
I believe the TV rights aren't centralised for eurocup, but either way those must be really small sums really.

The money in Iran is supposed to be pretty good, Bečirovič or Milič got more money there than they reportedly would in europe.

Smush Parker was brought as a reinforcement a while ago to Cibona, can't remember exactly what happened but he didn't play there untill the end of the season if I recall correctly.

Dr. Martin
12-11-2013, 02:27 PM
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Ivan_Marinkovic/OKK_Beograd/192482

Ivan Marinkovic signed for MZT

Dr. Martin
12-14-2013, 04:27 AM
Igokea - Cedevita 2 - Both teams probably tired from their EuroCup games, Cedevita is better
Cibona - Siroki 2 - money
Krka - Olimpija 1 - home court, Josko said Krka missing some players, now they have Becirovic
Zadar - Radnicki 1 - they can win this
M. Vizura - Szolnoki 1 - also
MZT - C. zvezda 1 - OK now is the time :)
Partizan - Buducnost 2 - not sure if Partizan signed new players, small rotation...

Joško Poljak Fan
12-16-2013, 12:46 PM
Now you really got a good streak with MZT and Krka, honestly I wasn't expecting that, it just shows this season will once again be really unpredictable.
Igokea seems to have done a good job replacing their foreigners.
As far as Olimpija goes, with every loss they're further from even theoretical chances for a F4, now they're just a loss or two away from losing any common hope.

AmonRA
12-17-2013, 01:57 PM
Once again, thanks Josko because you help me about pass ;)

@Dr. Martin
congrats on the win :)
Every game away in ABA league we play like shit , I was so pissed after the game :mad:

Milos.Djuric
12-18-2013, 09:43 PM
Once again, thanks Josko because you help me about pass ;)
Every game away in ABA league we play like shit , I was so pissed after the game :mad:

Pretty awful game for Red Star, honestly I would be more pleased with a loss against Laboral in a game that had 0 competitive value, and instead of that a victory against MZT. Red Star can't afford to lose games like this. For now I don't have a lot of faith in RS coach.

@Dr Martin - Not sure if you were just biased or you have a nose for weaker clubs taking one from the favorite :) if it's the latter than I guess everybody who bet could use your advice ;)

Dr. Martin
12-19-2013, 04:29 AM
Once again, thanks Josko because you help me about pass ;)

@Dr. Martin
congrats on the win :)
Every game away in ABA league we play like shit , I was so pissed after the game :mad:

I am not MZT Skopje fan but thank you AmonRA. Lucky win, Jenkins make a huge mistake at the end, MZT was lucky this time.

Dr. Martin
12-19-2013, 04:51 AM
Pretty awful game for Red Star, honestly I would be more pleased with a loss against Laboral in a game that had 0 competitive value, and instead of that a victory against MZT. Red Star can't afford to lose games like this. For now I don't have a lot of faith in RS coach.

@Dr Martin - Not sure if you were just biased or you have a nose for weaker clubs taking one from the favorite :) if it's the latter than I guess everybody who bet could use your advice ;)

Szolnoki - Krka 2 - Krka getting better, now the have Muric
Radnicki - MZT 2 - MZT will get better I see some good changes that Martic did, Otasevic will leave the club new player on board so lets see what happens. Radnicki is good, looks like they dot miss Yarou
Buducnost - Mega V. 1 - Buducnost just has to win this one
Olimpija - Zadar 1 - Olimpija will start their winning streak here
Cedevita - Partizan 1 - It will be hard for both
Siroki - Igokea 2 - Igokea will be good again, like Josko said they have good foreigners
C. zvezda - Cibona 1 - +40

Joško Poljak Fan
12-19-2013, 11:23 AM
Winning streak for Olimpija? where can I sign? :)

Szolnoki - Krka 1
Sani obviously means a lot to this team, but overall Krka never answers properly to intense teams as Szolnoki is, let alone while visiting. I won't mind being wrong though.

Radnicki - MZT 1

Buducnost - Mega 1
Noticable difference in quality, Mega's kids are playing organised and relaxed, however that might not be enough

Olimpija - Zadar 1

Cedevita - Partizan 1
Will watch this one, both teams seem kind of in decline lately, my bets are on Cedevita as I expect Partizan to be mentaly wasted after the last euroleague round.

Siroki - Igokea 2

C. zvezda - Cibona 1

AmonRA
12-19-2013, 04:59 PM
Pretty awful game for Red Star, honestly I would be more pleased with a loss against Laboral in a game that had 0 competitive value, and instead of that a victory against MZT. Red Star can't afford to lose games like this. For now I don't have a lot of faith in RS coach.

I said earlier, that Zvezda is far from 1st favorite to win ABA..
We will probably be 1st after regular season, but with this kind of playing, I`am not optimistic that we can win on F4..

From this 7 so far away games in ABA, we were awful at 5.. And with this kind of playing, every game away for us in ABA will be on one ball , which is unacceptable with this team...

Dr. Martin
12-20-2013, 03:28 AM
WOW, impressive :D

http://www.abaliga.com/a6857/News/ABA_still_has_the_highest_percentage_in_Europe.htm l

AmonRA
12-21-2013, 12:54 PM
what would be your dream team from ABA league? This would be mine :D

Nelson, Warren
Blazic, Bogdanovic
Schilb, Milosavljevic
Lauvergne, Saric
Marjanovic, Nurkic
+ two youngsters Micic and Jokic

Easy Top16 team in EL, at least :p

Joško Poljak Fan
12-21-2013, 03:13 PM
uff... I'd go with:

Warren, ? ? ?... no PG's from the area... obviously N.Smith (cedevita) or Nelson although I don't consider him as an ideal PG, but definately not Čapin, maybee Blassingame, Gordić? or Marinović, Micić is one/two seasons away from getting there. Imo by far the thinest position in the league and 80% of it imported :p

Bogdanović, hands down, 2nd SG would depend on preferences, mostlikely Blažić... the potentialy third would go among Strawberry, Jenkins, Salin... with Jenkins having advantage due to being able to occasionaly get onto PG

Gailius should become one of the better euro SF's within a while imo, Milosavljević... not a big fan of Schilb and would count him up there before Murić, Stojanovski, but overall would prefer Bogdanović stepping up on SF when neccesary instead of 3rd SF

Lauvergne, Šarić, Nurkić... hands down, am not even considering others

Marjanović obviously, while I would have a hard time selecting the 2nd center, there are lot's of decent centers that aren't really anything more than that, Gagić, Musli, Katić, Omić, Stephenson, Akindele, Bilan, Bader.... would certanly avoid Varda by any means with his defensive effort


To sum it up:
PG: Warren (SZO), Smith (CED)
SG: Bogdanović (PAR), Blažič (CZ), Jenkins (CZ)
SF: Gailius (UO), Milosavljević (PAR)
PF: Lauvergne (PAR), Šarić (CIB), Nurkić (CED)
C: Marjanović (CZ), Gagić (PAR)

Numerous players are able to play out of their original position, while this would imo be in between of TOP16 and F4 team, they still are damn young, probably would be the youngest in the euroleague. While next season... or the season after that... this team would be a good candidate for consecutive EL titles.

AmonRA
12-21-2013, 05:58 PM
i was taking care about compactness of the team, and because of that, there is no some of the players that you mentioned.. :p
but lets take step by step...

pg
as we all know warren is no brainer, because he is a pure pg... so the question is, who is the 2nd pg...
nelson, although is not pure pg, is doing the job... and he is also definitely the best defender in the league at that position... if we look his stats in el this year, we will see that he had 11pt, 4rb and 3 as + good defending(which cannot be seen in stats).. and for someone who is not pure pg, that's a pretty nice achievement, to say at least...
and i also pick him instead of smith, because nelson is a team player :)
and i put micic, because he is a future, but still in this moment can help with his assists..

sg
bogdanovic is no brainer, and he also can play as a pg...
as you mentiod, there is a lot options for 2nd sg, but i choose blazic, because he always are present in the game, no matter what.. he brings a lot of energy, and know to play for the team.. i didn't pick dj, because he looks like he choosing which game he wants to play.. on the other hand, jenkins is very good, but he is not pure pg, and he is kinda similar to warren but warren is better in organization...

sf
milosavljevic is also no brainer.. for gailius its same case like for dj..
about schilb.. you making a big mistake.. schilb is one of the best swing mans in europe... in zvezda he is practical with role of a 1st organizer(as we said nelson is not pure pg, same as jenkins, and cvetkovic is just limited).. and because of that all team opponents, guard schilb with 2 players.. so, with one shoot ,they killing our organization and at the same time, his offensive capabilities... but for example, with warren at pg and with saric at pf, it will looks a lot lot better, and he`ll be more deadly for opponents...
muric could also be a good choice, but i already have bogdanovic, jaka, milosavljevic, which play defense and general with big energy..
so my pick was schilb(although he is not brilliant in defence), who is definitely most creative player at that position and also with "good hand"...

pf
lauvergne and saric... all clear :D

c
i`am shocked that you choose gagic :D
anyway.. obvious marjanovic size can be a nice weapon if you know how to use it... in zvezda, in offense, more or less he is doing his job, but in defence he still is terribly+he don't have side help in zvezda... but with lauvergne and saric by himself, it will be different story...
and then again, i`am shocked that you choose gagic and not even mentioned zizic or planinic... :p
zizic is to old, be still he is one of best centers in league(at least in offense)... plalinic is kinda pekovic style player, but i`ll choose nurkic, because he has got a lot more potential..
katic is a one big hole in defense, so no... omic, akindele, musli kinda all of them are similar, but also no...
so my doubt about 3rd centar was about planinc or jokic, but i choose jokic, because he is also a future and can play on 4/5.. gagic was not even option :D

so, i thinks that this team has all.. strong defense, enough points and assists, rebounds not to mention, and also a lot of youth...
Nelson, Warren
Blazic, Bogdanovic
Schilb, Milosavljevic
Lauvergne, Saric
Marjanovic, Nurkic
+ two youngsters Micic and Jokic

for example, imagine how will look defense with nelson, bogdanovic, milosavljevic, lauvergne and marjanovic on the court? :D
and still, in offense, this team has a huge potential..

Dr. Martin
12-22-2013, 01:23 PM
How much they cost?

Dr. Martin
12-22-2013, 01:27 PM
what would be your dream team from ABA league? This would be mine :D

Nelson, Warren
Blazic, Bogdanovic
Schilb, Milosavljevic
Lauvergne, Saric
Marjanovic, Nurkic
+ two youngsters Micic and Jokic

Easy Top16 team in EL, at least :p

If Partizan made it in Top16 this team will make it to the F4

Milos.Djuric
12-22-2013, 01:57 PM
@AmonRa & Josko Poljak Fan
Are we talking about only players that have played during this season? I would put Bertrans somewhere in there, of course if he gets back in his full shape, and I believe he will. That guy was the decision maker for Partizan last season.

AmonRA
12-22-2013, 03:52 PM
@Milos.. yup, only this season...


If Partizan made it in Top16 this team will make it to the F4

yes, but it`s obvious, that they had a lot luck with all others results in their group...

AmonRA
12-23-2013, 10:55 PM
After injury of Mitrovic, Tejic jump from out nowhere..
He was starter in last two games, 1st one against Rytas in Vilnus (4 pt, 2rb, 1 as for 15 minutes), and today against Cibona(10 pt, 2/3 for 3, 2 rb and 1 as for 15 minutes)..
He got problems with fouls, but it's understandable, because he is only 18 years old... Generally he looks much better than Ristic, who is in top 10 international prospects(`95 generation)..
So I think, that club will not bring replacement for Mitrovic.. We will probably waiting for Mitrovic, and in that period Tejic and Ristic will get much more space..

By the way, what an animal is Nelson, a true Admiral :cool:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1483381_641444202584160_433252869_n.jpg

Milos.Djuric
12-23-2013, 11:13 PM
After injury of Mitrovic, Tejic jump from out nowhere..
He was starter in last two games, 1st one against Rytas in Vilnus (4 pt, 2rb, 1 as for 15 minutes), and today against Cibona(10 pt, 2/3 for 3, 2 rb and 1 as for 15 minutes)..
He got problems with fouls, but it's understandable, because he is only 18 years old... Generally he looks much better than Ristic, who is in top 10 international prospects(`95 generation)..
So I think, that club will not bring replacement for Mitrovic.. We will probably waiting for Mitrovic, and in that period Tejic and Ristic will get much more space..

By the way, what an animal is Nelson, a true Admiral :cool:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1483381_641444202584160_433252869_n.jpg

I'm happy to see Tejic making a good use of his minutes in these couple of games. I agree, from these two Tejic seemed like a better prospect, though I like Ristic mostly because of sharing the same birthday (only he's a decade younger :D)

AmonRA
12-24-2013, 01:57 AM
@Josko
What is your opinion or maybe information, will Krka let Muric to Partizan?

Dr. Martin
12-24-2013, 06:02 AM
@Milos.. yup, only this season...



yes, but it`s obvious, that they had a lot luck with all others results in their group...

One fixed result..... But its good for ABA to have a team in TOP16...
Partizan will be have to choose ABA or EL, if they choose EL, it will be hard for them to make it to the F4 in ABA and miss EL next season.

Joško Poljak Fan
12-24-2013, 12:21 PM
@Josko
What is your opinion or maybe information, will Krka let Muric to Partizan?
Murić reportedly wants to switch clubs, did so in the offseason as well, but the whole buyout market was pretty poor back than. Krka hasn't yet made it clear if they would let him go or not, obviously they don't really have any replacement for him, so my guess is they'll decide considering the buyout just like in the summer.


I disagree about Partizan though, they've suffered a lot without Westerman, Tepić will take care of things within a while and I believe they can manage to hold on in ABA even if they'll spend a lot of energy in euroleague.
Cedevita isn't a bad team, especialy defensive potential of some individuals is intriguing. Both teams scored more points in the last minute and a half than in the rest of the 4th quarter though, was a pretty decent game. Majority of other ABA teams apart from Partizan+Zvezda aren't on Cedevita's level anyway, so that game isn't realy indicating Partizan would fall out of F4 imo.

Szolnoki was pretty frustrated against Krka's defense, they've been able to play like that through the season beforehand, however Bečirovič is the true difference maker there being by far most experienced player in the league right now and it'll be interesting to see how things would be going with his shape improving further (as he reportedly claims he has some reserves before he gets there).

Olimpija looked incredible vs. Zadar, while Pipan claimed that was more due to their bad performance and not as much due to Olimpija performing well. It's about time to get away from that last place in the league.

Joško Poljak Fan
12-24-2013, 01:02 PM
@AmonRa & Josko Poljak Fan
Are we talking about only players that have played during this season? I would put Bertrans somewhere in there, of course if he gets back in his full shape, and I believe he will. That guy was the decision maker for Partizan last season.
I forgot about him :) he definately deserves to be there, when healthy.

@AmonRa, yeah I was also kind of making a team with my preferences, not neccesarily the strongest one. I do like Nelson as sort of a backup PG for defensive tasks and such Warren and Smith are kind of too simmilar players to have in one team, for my taste, variety doesn't hurt, especialy on the PG.
I am not the biggest fan of Schilb to be honest. As I've stated earlier I believe Zvezda would get to top16 in a blink of an eye even in this group if it wasn't either for Schilb (let alone if a player of Milosavljević level f.e. would be there instead) or Radonjić actualy not organizing as much of the game through him, making it completely static, predictable and in cases when shots weren't dropping relatively unneficient. Such stuff works sometimes, he does have some good games, but they don't make up for the difficulties described above in my opinion as basing the game through him won't work against the best teams, especialy with some good traditional long defensive SF's in the opponent team which definately showed with his +- statistic in some of the games and the fact that 3 of the EL games he has played the least Zvezda won (4th win being 5th least minutes for him). But anyway that's just my opinion based on my pretty specific expectations on how players are supposed to play. :)

AmonRA
12-24-2013, 01:11 PM
One fixed result..... But its good for ABA to have a team in TOP16...
Partizan will be have to choose ABA or EL, if they choose EL, it will be hard for them to make it to the F4 in ABA and miss EL next season.
I disagree, they don't need to choose anything... Zvezda will definitely be in first 4(precisely 1st or 2nd).. And if we look table, players etc, its obvious, that another "sure" teams on F4 will be Partizan and Cedevita... The only question is who will be 4th team, Buducnost or Igokea...
And if Partizan tabs Muric or someone else, they will be the strongest team in ABA, although they are right now also favorites..

Dr. Martin
12-25-2013, 10:16 AM
40/25 62%

Szolnoki - Zadar 1 - home court
C. zvezda - Siroki 1 - easy win
Olimpija - MZT 1 - overtime
Buducnost - Krka 1 - home court
Igokea - Partizan 2 - another fixed game
Cedevita - Mega V. 1 - easy win
Radnicki - Cibona 1 - Radnicki finally

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

AmonRA
12-25-2013, 10:58 AM
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
+1 :cool:

AmonRA
12-26-2013, 09:02 PM
After Zizic and Planinic, Cibona terminated contracts with DJ and Janning... So, nothing of F4 for them...

Dj was offered to Zvezda, but board doesn't want him, we have to many players on that position...
And for Janning, Buducnost is showing interest, we will see...

AmonRA
12-27-2013, 02:00 PM
Cvetkovic from Zvezda, loaned to MZT..
Muric had offer from Partizan, but it seems that Krka didnt let him go right now.. So probably from next season he will be in Partizan...

Dr. Martin
12-29-2013, 05:19 AM
Lots of changes ... one thing is for sure Cibona will go to the bottom of the table...

Josko congrats, Olimpija won, where are you :))))

Joško Poljak Fan
12-29-2013, 11:57 AM
I'm here, no worries :D
A bit late, but merry christmas of course :)

Good move for Cvetković, he might get that playing time in MZT he urgently needs and MZT gets a PG in their rotation.

I am not sure about the bottom of the league for Cibona, they are likely to drop, but in some cases those kind of teams can surprise with a win now and than and stay afloat.

Salin woke up after he got that eurocup weekly MVP against Asvel, glad to see he is finaly playing up to his potential as last season under Filipovski he was as if repressed or something

I am a bit surprised Partizan wanted Murič at the middle of the season as basicaly they've got SF well covered with Milosavljević and occasionaly Bogdanović or even Kinsey, the only segment he can pair with those is defense and rebounding, other than that they're all a more complete players imho.

AmonRA
12-29-2013, 09:42 PM
Good move for Cvetković, he might get that playing time in MZT he urgently needs and MZT gets a PG in their rotation.

I am a bit surprised Partizan wanted Murič at the middle of the season as basicaly they've got SF well covered with Milosavljević and occasionaly Bogdanović or even Kinsey, the only segment he can pair with those is defense and rebounding, other than that they're all a more complete players imho.
Well, I`am not sure about that... There are Otasevic, Kotisevski and Jones.. but we will see...

About Muric.. I earlier heard that he is a big wish from Vujosevic... He belongs in that "workers" group of players..
Other words, ideal player for Partizan.. big worker, young, doesnt cost a lot, and potential money from his future transfer..

Dr. Martin
12-30-2013, 10:45 AM
Cvetkovic will play I guess... Kostovski didn't play in Ljubljana, he will go back to Kumanovo ... Jones didn't show anything so far... Otasevic bad. So I see Cvetkovic playing, from the stats he has in C. zvezda not impressive but he scored 20pts against USA so there is potential.

AmonRA
12-30-2013, 10:51 PM
Changes compared to the beginning of the season...

buducnost:
in: protic
out: /

krka:
in: becirovic
out: /

mzt:
in: marinkovic, jones, cvetkovic
out: reynolds

olimpija
in: vladovic
out: /

cibona:
in: /
out: zizic, planinic, dj, janning

radnicki:
in: brkic, pilcevic
out: yaru

siroki:
in: opacak, vragovic, young
out: coles

zvezda:
in: /
out: /

zadar:
in: sutalo
out: car

solnok:
in: holiday, milosevic, sehovic
out: /

partizan:
in: tepic
out: /

igokea:
in: gordic, gipson, williams, mirkovic
out: pavkovic, mays, galloway, fraser

mega:
in: milovanovic
out: /

cedevita:
in: ray
out: /

Joško Poljak Fan
12-30-2013, 11:42 PM
wow, Cibona just played a game with 5 players playing 185 minutes out of 200!

AmonRA
12-31-2013, 10:55 AM
And they were very close to win...

Dr. Martin
12-31-2013, 11:57 AM
mzt:
in: marinkovic, jones, cvetkovic
out: reynolds


You can add Sead Sehovic in MZT.

MZT want to change the number of foreigners playing in the domestic league form 4 to 6 :( all because of their foreigners. They have 8, now they are afraid that they are going to lose the domestic tittle. Hopefully they will...

Joško Poljak Fan
01-01-2014, 12:36 PM
Tadija Dragičević is rumoured to sign for Zvezda - if that's the case he would be providing them with some really intriguing aspects of the game where Zvezda wasn't as strong so far.

Blassingame leaving Cibona. As an Olimpija fan I definately know how Cibona fans feel like right now, I don't wish for anyone to feel like that...

AmonRA
01-01-2014, 07:50 PM
Tadija Dragičević is rumoured to sign for Zvezda - if that's the case he would be providing them with some really intriguing aspects of the game where Zvezda wasn't as strong so far.

Its practical done deal, he will play against Igokea in this round...

Dr. Martin
01-02-2014, 04:17 AM
47/25 - 65% accuracy

MZT - Szolnoki - 1 MZT better
Krka - Cedevita - 1 Krka can do it
C. zvezda - Igokea - 1
Cibona - Olimpja - 2
Siroki - Radnicki - 1 Hard to say
Zadar - Buducnost - 2 For F4
M. Vizura - Partizan - 2 Another fixed game

Joško Poljak Fan
01-02-2014, 12:31 PM
Its practical done deal, he will play against Igokea in this round...
That could be a big thing for Zvezda. Wil be interesting to see how he would fit in. Guess that means Mitrović will be out for quite som time?

Dr.Martin, your accuracy is climbing :)

MZT - Szolnoki 1

Krka - Cedevita 2
Let's see if Sani is rising in his shape though...

C. zvezda - Igokea 1
Will try to watch this one, haven't yet seen "the new" Igokea play, Zvezda had some good rest unlike in some previous rounds and that's a welcome thing when you're traveling all across europe every 2nd week.

Cibona - Olimpija 2
With that exodus going on, anything but a win would be a massive failure for Olimpija

Siroki - Radnicki 1

Zadar - Buducnost 1
I expect Budućnost to slip now and than, this one would be tough but managable...

M. Vizura - Partizan 2

AmonRA
01-02-2014, 01:27 PM
That could be a big thing for Zvezda. Wil be interesting to see how he would fit in. Guess that means Mitrović will be out for quite som time?

C. zvezda - Igokea 1
Will try to watch this one, haven't yet seen "the new" Igokea play, Zvezda had some good rest unlike in some previous rounds and that's a welcome thing when you're traveling all across europe every 2nd week.

He took off the splint, but still, I think that he will not return on the court for at least 1-1,5 month...
I think that we didnt plan Tadija, but since Mitrovic got injury and since Ristic will probably leave to USA on college, we decided for Tadija(although it's not official, yet)...
And of all free domestic players, he was definitely the best choice.. Maybe it would better that he was here for EL, but what's done is done..
http://s23.postimg.org/m8jh1mlm3/Untitled.png

About game with Igokea.. We definitely need better approachment to the game.. If we play like last game against Siroki, we will have a big problems to win...

And about Cibona.. I read on other forum, that Blass is staying and that Planinic will also come back, and that both of them will play against Olimpija... We will see...

Dr. Martin
01-02-2014, 02:27 PM
AmonRA,

Your predictions for this round....

AmonRA
01-02-2014, 04:44 PM
AmonRA,

Your predictions for this round....
Why now to start, when I didnt "play" first 14 rounds? :D
But if you insist, ok :p

MZT - Szolnoki 1
Krka - Cedevita 2
C. zvezda - Igokea 1
Cibona - Olimpija 2
Siroki - Radnicki 1
Zadar - Buducnost 2
M. Vizura - Partizan 2

AmonRA
01-04-2014, 05:50 PM
I expected tough game, but we literally crushed Igokea..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkJKRvmXVno

On the other hand, there is definitely no hope for Olimpija...

Joško Poljak Fan
01-05-2014, 04:30 PM
Incredible fighting by Šarić. Wasn't often as impressed with as young player as yesterday. Olimpija instead of fighting back played too relaxed and once Cibona say they were able to outhustle them, it was basicaly a one way game. I'm dissapointed, obviously this team lacks some mentality part. Player have the skills, but their reactions to what's going on on court were subpar.

GravediggerGirl
01-06-2014, 06:49 PM
Important win for Partizan today, it could've been with a larger margin but it's okay even this way. Hopefully this will boost a confidence within the players and the team. As always, The Trio carried the team, Bogdanovic, Milosavljevic and Kinsey while Musli had a solid game too. Next is the away game against Bayern in Munich, I hope for a win but it will be tough.

Lauvergne has played below average today I could say but that's due to tiredness, hopefully he will have a better showing against Bayern. After that I just hope that our biggest reinforcement will arrive in the shape of Vujosevic return.

Joško Poljak Fan
01-06-2014, 08:23 PM
Welcome on the forum GravediggerGirl :)

Mega Vizura is somehow surprising everyone, even Miško Ražnatović himself probably didn't believe in such performances when he predicted his team will surprise many.

AmonRA
01-06-2014, 09:00 PM
Welcome on the forum GravediggerGirl :)

Mega Vizura is somehow surprising everyone, even Miško Ražnatović himself probably didn't believe in such performances when he predicted his team will surprise many.

Not me :p I wrote this 8 months ago :)


And I will also mention Mega(a lot of young and really talented player, which will play without any pressure, and that could be dangerous for all their opponents), I see them more closely to the top half of the table, then at the bottom...

GravediggerGirl
01-06-2014, 09:16 PM
Joško Poljak Fan thank you very much. :)

As for Mega Vizura, they are playing quite well I would say but as for today, I expected much better showings for Dangubic and Micic as they are regarded as some kind of top prospects and were both linked with a move to Partizan. On the other hand, former Partizan player Miljenovic had a decent game in points as he scored 7 but also dropped 11 assists. Also that kid Jokic is making sure that his name is among the top young players in the league.

Dr. Martin
01-07-2014, 11:27 AM
Why now to start, when I didnt "play" first 14 rounds? :D
But if you insist, ok :p

MZT - Szolnoki 1
Krka - Cedevita 2
C. zvezda - Igokea 1
Cibona - Olimpija 2
Siroki - Radnicki 1
Zadar - Buducnost 2
M. Vizura - Partizan 2

You won this round :)

Cibona surprised all of us :) we have submitted our predictions too early. Olimpija will fight for the mid-table now.
Partizan won another "fixed" game, but they will be 6th or 7th soon.... Krka was close ....

Joško Poljak Fan
01-07-2014, 11:36 AM
Bečirović and Hukić screwed up the last possesion for the win.

@AmonRa, props for pointing that out that early. :) I knew Mega was performing really well last season in Serbian league, but I've thought that was more or less a large portion due to Marjanović playing there and surely didn't expect these performances even if the talent of the likes of Mičić "the skijaš" and Dangubić were never questionable.

Dr. Martin
01-07-2014, 11:41 AM
51/28 - still at 65% accuracy

Szolnoki - Cibona 2 - Not sure if Warren will play
Olimpija - Siroki 1 - They have to..
Radnicki - C. zvezda 2
Cedevita - Zadar 1
Buducnost - MZT 1 - Hopefully I am wrong on this one
Igokea - Mega V. 2 - Surprise - I like Mega
Partizan - Krka 1 - Final Score 54-52

Dr. Martin
01-07-2014, 11:45 AM
Forgot to say Hristos se rodi! Merry Christmas :)

GravediggerGirl
01-07-2014, 12:44 PM
Vaistinu se rodi! Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrate it today. :)

Joško Poljak Fan
01-07-2014, 01:08 PM
Forgot to say Hristos se rodi! Merry Christmas :)
+1 :)

AmonRA
01-07-2014, 05:49 PM
1.You won this round :)

Cibona surprised all of us :) we have submitted our predictions too early. Olimpija will fight for the mid-table now.
Partizan won another "fixed" game,2. but they will be 6th or 7th soon.... Krka was close ....
1. If I was start tiping ABA from the beging, I will now be on at least 80% accuracy... :p
2. What you mean by that? In next 5 rounds they will probably get all 5 wins(Although I first would not like that scenario :D )..



@AmonRa, props for pointing that out that early. :) I knew Mega was performing really well last season in Serbian league, but I've thought that was more or less a large portion due to Marjanović playing there and surely didn't expect these performances even if the talent of the likes of Mičić "the skijaš" and Dangubić were never questionable.Beside Marjanovic, Velickovic was also had a large impact on Mega results last year...
I was count that "kids" would be stronger for a one more year experience, which is true.. They bring Radovic instead of Novica, and he is kinda a similar type of player.. And with Varda instead of Bobi, they got another dimension from outside..
And we should also mention that Mega play without injured Krstic last 9 rounds, which is his first SF, and he was in Slovenia with Serbian NT...



Szolnoki - Cibona 2 - Not sure if Warren will play
I think he will play.. He didn't play against MZT, because he has forgot his passport lol

ps.
I da, Vaistinu se rodi!
Takodje srecan svima ostalima koje slave, ja slavim oba, tako da nema greske :D

Dr. Martin
01-08-2014, 09:46 AM
I BS about Partizan sometimes, but I can bet that in the next 6 rounds they will be 3W - 3L or even worse.

GravediggerGirl
01-08-2014, 11:22 AM
I BS about Partizan sometimes, but I can bet that in the next 6 rounds they will be 3W - 3L or even worse.


You mean combined with Euroleague or.. ?

There's no way they will loose that much just in ABA league.

AmonRA
01-08-2014, 12:19 PM
I BS about Partizan sometimes, but I can bet that in the next 6 rounds they will be 3W - 3L or even worse.
I would love so, but as I said, I don't see that scenario...

@GravediggerGirl
Is that you on avat?

Dr. Martin
01-08-2014, 02:43 PM
You mean combined with Euroleague or.. ?

There's no way they will loose that much just in ABA league.

Just ABA, they will be 0W - 14L in Euroleague

Dr. Martin
01-08-2014, 03:05 PM
I would love so, but as I said, I don't see that scenario...

@GravediggerGirl
Is that you on avat?

C'mon AmonRA, where did you saw good looking grobar :)
The guy is a cheater, just like their coach :D

But I think I have seen the woman on the picture somewhere, she must be famous ...

AmonRA
01-08-2014, 03:18 PM
C'mon AmonRA, where did you saw good looking grobar :)
The guy is a cheater, just like their coach :D

But I think I have seen the woman on the picture somewhere, she must be famous ...
lol
I know, and because of that I was asking :p :D

ThePeraCar
01-08-2014, 04:50 PM
You mean combined with Euroleague or.. ?

There's no way they will loose that much just in ABA league.
There is a way...Their bench is really short

GravediggerGirl
01-08-2014, 05:46 PM
@GravediggerGirl
Is that you on avat?

Yep, with head and (no) beard. :D


Just ABA, they will be 0W - 14L in Euroleague


Lol, go home, you're drunk.


C'mon AmonRA, where did you saw good looking grobar :)


Come to Pionir sometimes when Partizan is playing.




But I think I have seen the woman on the picture somewhere, she must be famous ...

Go home, you're double drunk, lol. :D



There is a way...Their bench is really short


Nothing new and nothing that we're not used to. We had a short bench last season too and we won both ABA and Serbian league in ease, outclassing opponents with much larger bench disposition... and money on the table.
Plus, everyone seems to forget that we're getting Bertans back by March and that's when the most important part of the season begins and later we'll see who is the champ and who is the chump. :)

AmonRA
01-08-2014, 08:12 PM
Yep, with head and (no) beard. :D

In that case, pity you are a Gravedigger... :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vdruPJDqVY
:p :D

GravediggerGirl
01-08-2014, 10:11 PM
Haha, smart decision. But I probably think that because of some other reasons. :D

And congratulations on the victory today btw. :)

GravediggerGirl
01-09-2014, 01:59 AM
I've just heard the news, Vujosevic has been released from the hospital and he'll be coaching the team for the next ABA league game this weekend, hell yeah!

Dr. Martin
01-09-2014, 01:49 PM
There is a way...Their bench is really short

Exitche, welcome to the forum and thank you for the support :D

Dr. Martin
01-09-2014, 02:10 PM
Go home, you're double drunk, lol. :D



Just so you can see my drunk face LOL

Dr. Martin
01-09-2014, 02:17 PM
Hey AmonRA congrats on yesterdays win....

Cedevita signed Josh Selby - I guess he will be OK

http://basketball.eurobasket.com/Adriatic-League/news/JOSH_SHELBY_IS_A_NEWCOMER_AT_CEDEVITA/347105

GravediggerGirl
01-09-2014, 03:33 PM
Just so you can see my drunk face LOL


Okaaay.. now, let's see the double drunk face. :p

Let's stop trolling lol. :)

AmonRA
01-09-2014, 04:46 PM
And congratulations on the victory today btw. :)


Hey AmonRA congrats on yesterdays win....

Cedevita signed Josh Selby - I guess he will be OK

http://basketball.eurobasket.com/Adriatic-League/news/JOSH_SHELBY_IS_A_NEWCOMER_AT_CEDEVITA/347105
Thanks, but despite great win, I can not be happy, because it's obvious that we want to get rid of Schilb, and without him, we will again stay without ABA and Domestic league :facepalm:

Cedevita also show great game last night against Zaragoza, especially because they were there without Nolan, Delash and Shelby(who can be a great addition, but we will see his behavior, that could be the biggest problem)

And I would love that you are right about Partizan, but unfortunately you are wrong...
Partizan do not have short rotation, they have 12 players, but they choose to play with 9, and you can not call that short rotaion..
Last 2 months I listen story about Partizan "short rotation", but still they are competitive in EL, and at same time, they beating all in ABA league..
It is just their style, they have 7 Hours long trenings, and because of that, its not problem for their best 4 players(Bogdanovic, Milosavljevic, Kinsey and Jo) to play with 35+ minutes on every three days....

GravediggerGirl
01-09-2014, 06:21 PM
Partizan do not have short rotation, they have 12 players, but they choose to play with 9, and you can not call that short rotaion..
Last 2 months I listen story about Partizan "short rotation", but still they are competitive in EL, and at same time, they beating all in ABA league..
It is just their style, they have 7 Hours long trenings, and because of that, its not problem for their best 4 players(Bogdanovic, Milosavljevic, Kinsey and Jo) to play with 35+ minutes on every three days....

I would rather say that we have that much players who can play serious basketball at this stage (then I think about Gagic and Musli sometimes in that group and I feel dumb saying this but ok).

Other than that, I heard about trainings. Some people said that players would take easier two games in one night than some of Vujosevic's trainings. :D

Joško Poljak Fan
01-09-2014, 09:15 PM
Thanks, but despite great win, I can not be happy, because it's obvious that we want to get rid of Schilb, and without him, we will again stay without ABA and Domestic league :facepalm:
Well, you probably already know I disagree with that :) To be honest as much as Schilb can produce 1 on 1, he does no favour to bball circulation and imo modern basketball is to a large part punishing the teams not being able to play fast on half-court as well. I think he should have a negative effect in some of the advanced statistics. I'll look over Billy Bounce's and Simon's site if they came up with any of that for the euroleague's 1st round.

GravediggerGirl, go easy on Musli and Gagić, they might not be the next coming of Olajuwon, but they could develop into servicable centers with time. Centers ussualy need more time to fully develop, as Peković's and alikes don't grow on trees :)

GravediggerGirl
01-09-2014, 09:19 PM
GravediggerGirl, go easy on Musli and Gagić, they might not be the next coming of Olajuwon, but they could develop into servicable centers with time. Centers ussualy need more time to fully develop, as Peković's and alikes don't grow on trees :)


Oh my God, don't tell me anything about those two... after tonight, please, just don't tell me anything... If they were near me right now I would strangle them, I swear to God...

I need some pills to relax.

AmonRA
01-09-2014, 10:49 PM
Well, you probably already know I disagree with that :) To be honest as much as Schilb can produce 1 on 1, he does no favour to bball circulation and imo modern basketball is to a large part punishing the teams not being able to play fast on half-court as well. I think he should have a negative effect in some of the advanced statistics. I'll look over Billy Bounce's and Simon's site if they came up with any of that for the euroleague's 1st round.

I know, but as I said earlier, we agree to disagree about Schilb :p
Schilb is most creative player in this team.. If you look at first derby, you will see that he wasn't had some good%, but he was the one who push on the hole team with his asists... At the moment everything looks fine, because we have nice% from outside and we mostly play against teams who doesn't prefer defense so much...
But when we run on a team, which prefer defense(like Partizan), without Schilb, all creativity will be put on Nelson and Jenkins, and as we know, they are not pure pg`s..
And if Partizan knows something, that is to stop guards, and with Simonovic and Lazic who are static players and which creativity is 0, they will be forced on hard shots from 3pt...
Believe me, I know what I`am talking, I watched that last year..
Schilb is that X factor, which we need, to break Partizan domination.. Without him, this will be another lost season...
This is all Radonjic`s fault, who didnt bring pure pg, so all organization was put on Schilb`s back...

AmonRA
01-10-2014, 12:54 AM
5/7 - 71% accuracy

This round should not be a lot of surprises.. Only bigger unknown is match in Hungary..

Szolnoki - Cibona 1
Olimpija - Siroki 1
Radnicki - Zvezda 2
Cedevita - Zadar 1
Buducnost - MZT 1
Igokea - Mega V. 1
Partizan - Krka 1

GravediggerGirl
01-10-2014, 02:26 AM
They say picture is often worth more than 1000 words... Well, the picture says it all...


https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1507166_570659969686173_1328230118_n.jpg


C'mon, when Dule comes back I want to see Djoko Salic and not Musli & Gagic (the dumb one and the stupid one).

Dr. Martin
01-10-2014, 04:36 AM
Okaaay.. now, let's see the double drunk face. :p

Let's stop trolling lol. :)

double drunk :)

Partizan 0-2 :(

Dr. Martin
01-10-2014, 04:40 AM
Thanks, but despite great win, I can not be happy, because it's obvious that we want to get rid of Schilb, and without him, we will again stay without ABA and Domestic league :facepalm:

Cedevita also show great game last night against Zaragoza, especially because they were there without Nolan, Delash and Shelby(who can be a great addition, but we will see his behavior, that could be the biggest problem)

And I would love that you are right about Partizan, but unfortunately you are wrong...
Partizan do not have short rotation, they have 12 players, but they choose to play with 9, and you can not call that short rotaion..
Last 2 months I listen story about Partizan "short rotation", but still they are competitive in EL, and at same time, they beating all in ABA league..
It is just their style, they have 7 Hours long trenings, and because of that, its not problem for their best 4 players(Bogdanovic, Milosavljevic, Kinsey and Jo) to play with 35+ minutes on every three days....

Short rotation and small budget :) same story

Dr. Martin
01-10-2014, 04:59 AM
I know, but as I said earlier, we agree to disagree about Schilb :p
Schilb is most creative player in this team.. If you look at first derby, you will see that he wasn't had some good%, but he was the one who push on the hole team with his asists... At the moment everything looks fine, because we have nice% from outside and we mostly play against teams who doesn't prefer defense so much...
But when we run on a team, which prefer defense(like Partizan), without Schilb, all creativity will be put on Nelson and Jenkins, and as we know, they are not pure pg`s..
And if Partizan knows something, that is to stop guards, and with Simonovic and Lazic who are static players and which creativity is 0, they will be forced on hard shots from 3pt...
Believe me, I know what I`am talking, I watched that last year..
Schilb is that X factor, which we need, to break Partizan domination.. Without him, this will be another lost season...
This is all Radonjic`s fault, who didnt bring pure pg, so all organization was put on Schilb`s back...

6455


This is how they play defence in ABA, and no personal foul ...

GravediggerGirl
01-10-2014, 11:22 AM
double drunk :)

Partizan 0-2 :(


Single drunk is better. :D

And relax, still 12 more games, with Dule in charge. :)



6455


This is how they play defence in ABA, and no personal foul ...


C'mon, that last second leap dunk by Kinsey and then block in the last attack... it doesn't hurt that much, does it? :(

:p