(Originally posted by Marius123, 09-06-2004, 09:19 AM)
Marius123
09-06-2004, 09:19 AM
I would like to pose a question about the ethnicity of the players of former federal Yugoslavia. In former times, not much attention was paid here who of these guys are Serbs, Croats, Slovenians, Macedonians, Bosnians (Muslims), Montenegrans... (I know it can be a mixed affair in many cases).
This question in mostly directed at our friends from the Balkan region, they should know it the best.
Can you shed some light on the ethnic origins of the great Yugo players from ealier times?
(here I go with the members of Olympic-medal-winning teams, probably there are some great players from former NTs as well)... I also include the members of the later Yugo teams, whose nationality is known by everybody -- maybe there are some "peculiar" things about these players, like the parents of Petrovic brothers, or the like? ...
- Aljosa Zorga
- Zoran Marojevic
- Vladimir Cvetkovic
- Ivo Daneu
- Damir Solman
- Dragutin Cermak
- Radivoj Korac
- Trajko Rajkovic
- Dragoslav Raznjatovic
- Kresimir Cosic
- Nikola Plesac
- Petar Skansi
- Blagoje Georgievski
- Vinko Jelovac
- Zeljko Jerkov
- Zoran Slavnic
- Drazen Dalipagic
- Dragan Kicanovic
- Rajko Zizic
- Andro Knego
- Zarko Varajic
- Mirza Delibasic
- Ratko Radovanovic
- Mihovil Nakic
- Branko Skroce
- Duje Krstulovic
- Drazen Petrovic
- Aleksandar Petrovic
- Emir Mutapdzic
- Branko Vukicevic
- Zoran Cutura
- Zarko Paspalj
- Jure Zdovc
- Vlade Divac
- Dino Radja
- Zdravko Radulovic
- Toni Kukoc
- Zeljko Obradovic
- Stojko Vrankovic
- Franjo Arapovic
- Danko Cvjeticanin
Thanks, folks!
09-06-2004, 09:19 AM
I would like to pose a question about the ethnicity of the players of former federal Yugoslavia. In former times, not much attention was paid here who of these guys are Serbs, Croats, Slovenians, Macedonians, Bosnians (Muslims), Montenegrans... (I know it can be a mixed affair in many cases).
This question in mostly directed at our friends from the Balkan region, they should know it the best.
Can you shed some light on the ethnic origins of the great Yugo players from ealier times?
(here I go with the members of Olympic-medal-winning teams, probably there are some great players from former NTs as well)... I also include the members of the later Yugo teams, whose nationality is known by everybody -- maybe there are some "peculiar" things about these players, like the parents of Petrovic brothers, or the like? ...
- Aljosa Zorga
- Zoran Marojevic
- Vladimir Cvetkovic
- Ivo Daneu
- Damir Solman
- Dragutin Cermak
- Radivoj Korac
- Trajko Rajkovic
- Dragoslav Raznjatovic
- Kresimir Cosic
- Nikola Plesac
- Petar Skansi
- Blagoje Georgievski
- Vinko Jelovac
- Zeljko Jerkov
- Zoran Slavnic
- Drazen Dalipagic
- Dragan Kicanovic
- Rajko Zizic
- Andro Knego
- Zarko Varajic
- Mirza Delibasic
- Ratko Radovanovic
- Mihovil Nakic
- Branko Skroce
- Duje Krstulovic
- Drazen Petrovic
- Aleksandar Petrovic
- Emir Mutapdzic
- Branko Vukicevic
- Zoran Cutura
- Zarko Paspalj
- Jure Zdovc
- Vlade Divac
- Dino Radja
- Zdravko Radulovic
- Toni Kukoc
- Zeljko Obradovic
- Stojko Vrankovic
- Franjo Arapovic
- Danko Cvjeticanin
Thanks, folks!
Cwilson13
09-06-2004, 10:15 AM
Here are some I believe to be correct.
Croatia
- Drazen Petrovic (Father is Serbian and mother Croatian)
- Aleksandar Petrovic (same)
- Kresimir Cosic
- Zoran Cutura
- Andro Knego
- Toni Kukoc
- Dino Radja
- Zdravko Radulovic - born in NikšiƦ, Montenegro
- Stojko Vrankovic
- Franjo Arapovic
- Danko Cvjeticanin
Serbia/Montenegro
- Vlade Divac - Serbia
- Zarko Paspalj - Montenegro
Slovania
- Ivo Daneu
- Jure Zdovc
- Teoman Alibegovic
Bosnia/Herzegovina
- Drazen Dalipagic - Herzegovina
- Mirza Delibasic
09-06-2004, 10:15 AM
Here are some I believe to be correct.
Croatia
- Drazen Petrovic (Father is Serbian and mother Croatian)
- Aleksandar Petrovic (same)
- Kresimir Cosic
- Zoran Cutura
- Andro Knego
- Toni Kukoc
- Dino Radja
- Zdravko Radulovic - born in NikšiƦ, Montenegro
- Stojko Vrankovic
- Franjo Arapovic
- Danko Cvjeticanin
Serbia/Montenegro
- Vlade Divac - Serbia
- Zarko Paspalj - Montenegro
Slovania
- Ivo Daneu
- Jure Zdovc
- Teoman Alibegovic
Bosnia/Herzegovina
- Drazen Dalipagic - Herzegovina
- Mirza Delibasic
Matiz
09-06-2004, 12:34 PM
Me and my father just had this same conversation few days ago... the fact it's hard to say about their nationality, since in Croatia there was big serbian minority from 16th or 17th century when they were moved there to protect austrian monarchy from Turks...
Bosnia especially is very racial mixed with bosniaks (muslims), serbians (ortodox) and croatians (catholic)...
here it goes:
- Aljosa Zorga: slo
- Zoran Marojevic: ser
- Vladimir Cvetkovic: ser (i think)
- Ivo Daneu: slo
- Damir Solman?
- Dragutin Cermak?
- Radivoj Korac: ser
- Trajko Rajkovic (imo macedonian first name and serbian surname... probably macedonian)
- Dragoslav Raznjatovic: ser
- Kresimir Cosic: cro
- Nikola Plesac
- Petar Skansi: cro with slo passport
- Blagoje Georgievski:mac
- Vinko Jelovac:cro with slo passport
- Zeljko Jerkov
- Zoran Slavnic:ser
- Drazen Dalipagic
- Dragan Kicanovic:ser
- Rajko Zizic
- Andro Knego:?
- Zarko Varajic
- Mirza Delibasic:bos
- Ratko Radovanovic:ser
- Mihovil Nakic? (I'd say croatian)
- Branko Skroce?
- Duje Krstulovic:ser
- Drazen Petrovic:cro
- Aleksandar Petrovic:cro
- Emir Mutapdzic:bos
- Branko Vukicevic:cro
- Zoran Cutura:cro
- Zarko Paspalj:cro
- Jure Zdovc:slo
- Vlade Divac:ser
- Dino Radja: cro (I heard he is part serbian)
- Zdravko Radulovic
- Toni Kukoc:cro
- Zeljko Obradovic:ser
- Stojko Vrankovic:cro
- Franjo Arapovic: cro
- Danko Cvjeticanin
Alibegovic is bosnian with slovenian citizenship
09-06-2004, 12:34 PM
Me and my father just had this same conversation few days ago... the fact it's hard to say about their nationality, since in Croatia there was big serbian minority from 16th or 17th century when they were moved there to protect austrian monarchy from Turks...
Bosnia especially is very racial mixed with bosniaks (muslims), serbians (ortodox) and croatians (catholic)...
here it goes:
- Aljosa Zorga: slo
- Zoran Marojevic: ser
- Vladimir Cvetkovic: ser (i think)
- Ivo Daneu: slo
- Damir Solman?
- Dragutin Cermak?
- Radivoj Korac: ser
- Trajko Rajkovic (imo macedonian first name and serbian surname... probably macedonian)
- Dragoslav Raznjatovic: ser
- Kresimir Cosic: cro
- Nikola Plesac
- Petar Skansi: cro with slo passport
- Blagoje Georgievski:mac
- Vinko Jelovac:cro with slo passport
- Zeljko Jerkov
- Zoran Slavnic:ser
- Drazen Dalipagic
- Dragan Kicanovic:ser
- Rajko Zizic
- Andro Knego:?
- Zarko Varajic
- Mirza Delibasic:bos
- Ratko Radovanovic:ser
- Mihovil Nakic? (I'd say croatian)
- Branko Skroce?
- Duje Krstulovic:ser
- Drazen Petrovic:cro
- Aleksandar Petrovic:cro
- Emir Mutapdzic:bos
- Branko Vukicevic:cro
- Zoran Cutura:cro
- Zarko Paspalj:cro
- Jure Zdovc:slo
- Vlade Divac:ser
- Dino Radja: cro (I heard he is part serbian)
- Zdravko Radulovic
- Toni Kukoc:cro
- Zeljko Obradovic:ser
- Stojko Vrankovic:cro
- Franjo Arapovic: cro
- Danko Cvjeticanin
Alibegovic is bosnian with slovenian citizenship
Cwilson13
09-06-2004, 02:28 PM
I think Žarko Paspalj was born in Pljevlja, Montenegro.
I know that he played for the Yugoslavian (not Croatian) national team after the breakup.
1995 Euro
1996 Olympics
09-06-2004, 02:28 PM
I think Žarko Paspalj was born in Pljevlja, Montenegro.
I know that he played for the Yugoslavian (not Croatian) national team after the breakup.
1995 Euro
1996 Olympics
Matiz
09-06-2004, 11:58 PM
Yeah- my bad.... now I wonder why I thought he was croatian in the first place...
09-06-2004, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by Cwilson13
I think Žarko Paspalj was born in Pljevlja, Montenegro.
I know that he played for the Yugoslavian (not Croatian) national team after the breakup.
1995 Euro
1996 Olympics
I think Žarko Paspalj was born in Pljevlja, Montenegro.
I know that he played for the Yugoslavian (not Croatian) national team after the breakup.
1995 Euro
1996 Olympics
Marius123
09-07-2004, 02:45 AM
A related question... To what extent are the Serbs and the Montenegrans different? They speak the same language (or almost the same), share the same Orthodox religion, right?
Historically, I see that this small Crna Gora kingdom (with Cetine as capital) has been on the map when Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia were still parts of Austro-Hungary / Turkey, so maybe there is some special historical sense of nationhood in Montenegro?
Remember of any post-1995 Yugo / SCG team players who are from Montenegro?
09-07-2004, 02:45 AM
A related question... To what extent are the Serbs and the Montenegrans different? They speak the same language (or almost the same), share the same Orthodox religion, right?
Historically, I see that this small Crna Gora kingdom (with Cetine as capital) has been on the map when Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia were still parts of Austro-Hungary / Turkey, so maybe there is some special historical sense of nationhood in Montenegro?
Remember of any post-1995 Yugo / SCG team players who are from Montenegro?
Juan Carlos Nadal
09-07-2004, 03:11 AM
1st. There is no country called "Macedonia".
2nd. Zarko Paspalj was the only Montenegrin in the 1995 team. (Sorry, just realized you said "post-1995).
3rd. Great thread!
09-07-2004, 03:11 AM
Marius123
A related question... To what extent are the Serbs and the Montenegrans different? They speak the same language (or almost the same), share the same Orthodox religion, right?
Historically, I see that this small Crna Gora kingdom (with Cetine as capital) has been on the map when Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia were still parts of Austro-Hungary / Turkey, so maybe there is some special historical sense of nationhood in Montenegro?
Remember of any post-1995 Yugo / SCG team players who are from Montenegro?
A related question... To what extent are the Serbs and the Montenegrans different? They speak the same language (or almost the same), share the same Orthodox religion, right?
Historically, I see that this small Crna Gora kingdom (with Cetine as capital) has been on the map when Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia were still parts of Austro-Hungary / Turkey, so maybe there is some special historical sense of nationhood in Montenegro?
Remember of any post-1995 Yugo / SCG team players who are from Montenegro?
2nd. Zarko Paspalj was the only Montenegrin in the 1995 team. (Sorry, just realized you said "post-1995).
3rd. Great thread!
Marius123
09-07-2004, 03:42 AM
Yes I know that traditional (Greek) Macedonia includes Thessaloniki, Serrai, Kozani, Katerini...
Just stuck to the shorter version for simplicity reasons. Anyway, how to call those people from Skopje, Kumanovo or Tetovo? Fyromians?
09-07-2004, 03:42 AM
Yes I know that traditional (Greek) Macedonia includes Thessaloniki, Serrai, Kozani, Katerini...
Just stuck to the shorter version for simplicity reasons. Anyway, how to call those people from Skopje, Kumanovo or Tetovo? Fyromians?
Juan Carlos Nadal
09-07-2004, 03:47 AM
Yes, people of FYROM or even FYROMians.
Even FYROM is not an appropriate name IMO. Vardaria, Slavomakedonia or Republic of Skopjie are more appropriate names IMO, but I cannot ask anyone to use these. Given that the official name is FYROM, we should all stick with it until they come up with a new name. A new series of discussion between FYROM and Greece are due to begin soon concerning the name of the republic.
Sure, I understand. It's like USA and "americans". However, in respect to FYROM, the issue is more sensitive due to the dispute with Greece over the name. Whereas no-one is really bothered that people fro the USA are called Americans, a whole country has serious issues about FYROMians being called Macedonians. That's all.
And I'm sorry to bring up this topic over and over again.
09-07-2004, 03:47 AM
Marius123
Just stuck to the shorter version for simplicity reasons. Anyway, how to call those people from Skopje, Kumanovo or Tetovo? Fyromians?
Just stuck to the shorter version for simplicity reasons. Anyway, how to call those people from Skopje, Kumanovo or Tetovo? Fyromians?
Even FYROM is not an appropriate name IMO. Vardaria, Slavomakedonia or Republic of Skopjie are more appropriate names IMO, but I cannot ask anyone to use these. Given that the official name is FYROM, we should all stick with it until they come up with a new name. A new series of discussion between FYROM and Greece are due to begin soon concerning the name of the republic.
Just stuck to the shorter version for simplicity reasons
And I'm sorry to bring up this topic over and over again.
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