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pohani komarac
07-08-2012, 06:48 PM
Our team started with preps. We are probably favorites. Some strange names and some players missing as usual. From U-16 bigest impruvment should be in Jakov Mustapic, player that had great impruvment. athletic combo guard with huge wingspan able to play great defense and who is also very good penetrating to basket. Don't know will any U-17 team player join squad. Also Herendic once one of best players of team slowly coming back from hard knee injury, had good season in Cibona.Hezonja, Bosnjak, Zganec should have place by quality

Martin Junakovic (PG 185 94. Cedevita)
Dominik Herendic (PG 191 94. Cibona)
Jakov Mustapic (PG/SG 194 94. Cedevita)
Dominik Mavra (PG/SG 194 94. Cedevita)
Mislav Brzoja (SG 195 94. USA)
Marko Proleta (SG 191 94. Cibona)
Lovro Demo (SG 195 94. Cibona)
Karlo Lebo (SG/SF 196 94. Cedevita)
Braslav Turic (SF 198 94. Gorica)
Jure Boban (SF 198 94. Alkar)
Ivan Bogdanovic (SF 198 94. Dubrovnik)
Antonio Crnjevic (SF 200 94. Zabok)
Luka Kamber (SF 202 94. Alba Berlin)
Robert Kujundzic (SF/PF 201 94. Darda)
Dario Saric (SF/PF 208 94. Zagreb)
Daniel Zovko (PF 200 94. Siroki)
Filip Bundovic (PF/C 208 94. Cedevita)
Marin Maric (C 208 94. Split)
Valentin Jurkovic (C 207 94. Capljina)

carlo
07-08-2012, 08:51 PM
U18 Euro Div A will be played 9-19 Aug in Latvia/Lithuania, see official site (http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/).
This year's U18 is particularly important as it's the 2013 U19 World's qualifier.
The only valuable tournament played so far (in springtime) was the Albert Schweitzer tournament, won by Spain over Serbia and followed by 3. Turkey 4. Germany 5. Italy 6. Russia 8. France (Croatia didn't participate).


P.S: Groups A and D, deadly !

pimpekaustas
07-10-2012, 11:40 AM
if croatia brings all best players here, it would just be to easy.

c-myers
07-11-2012, 03:19 PM
Turkey Roster

Talat Alp Altunbey 2.04 Bandırma Kırmızı
Doğukan Şanlı 1.92 Beşiktaş
Kartal Özmızrak 1.86 Beşiktaş
Gani Erdi Gülaslan 2.00 Bornova Bld.
Metin Türen Uzun 2.05 Darüşşafaka
Atilla Dağdelen 2.08 Fenerbahçe Ülker
Mehmet Şanlı 2.05 Fenerbahçe Ülker
Metecan Birsen 2.05 Fenerbahçe Ülker
Deniz Can Çevik 1.91 Genç Telekom
Burak Can Yıldızlı 2.02 Pertevniyal
Cedi Osman 1.96 Pertevniyal
Efekan Coşar 1.92 Pertevniyal
Tayfun Erülkü 1.93 Pertevniyal
Kerem Kanter 2.03 The MacDuffie School (ABD)
Burak Hacıismail 2.06 Tofaş
İsmail Kerem Gülmez 1.91 Tofaş
Kenan Sipahi 1.98 Tofaş
Tevfik Akdamar 2.00 Tofaş

carlo
07-11-2012, 07:58 PM
Spain preliminary roster of 15 named (http://www.feb.es/NoticiaDesarrollo.aspx?idNoticia=43084).
The group that won the gold at the Albert Schweitzer tournament is confirmed, with the addition of three players, Joan Reda, Francisco Jimenez and Carlos Toledo.

c-myers
07-12-2012, 06:23 AM
This is really good in our generation. especially in the short players ,I think there are only a center lack of, maybe the biggest favorite after the Croats.
Also I wonder Enes Kanter brothers Kerem kanter how will the performance of.I know his brother, looks like play style, and very athletic.
I think In the best prospects kenan sipahi,metecan birsen and burakcan yıldızlı.

mbenga
07-15-2012, 02:56 PM
This is really good in our generation. especially in the short players ,I think there are only a center lack of, maybe the biggest favorite after the Croats.
Also I wonder Enes Kanter brothers Kerem kanter how will the performance of.I know his brother, looks like play style, and very athletic.
I think In the best prospects kenan sipahi,metecan birsen and burakcan yıldızlı.

I really like your team, specially Sipahi, but Spain is crearly ahead of Turkey and basically on par with Croatia, we might not have any superstar in the making like Saric or Hezonja but a plethora of very good prospects and a more balanced team.

pohani komarac
07-15-2012, 02:58 PM
Croatia bet Montenegro in friendly match 81-49

proleta 3, lebo 6, herendić 5, demo 1, šarić 24,
brzoja 16, bogdanović 2, kujundžić 5, marić 14, kamber 1

some scorers are missing

Imo, Filip Bundovic, starting bigman is probably lost for this summer with injury. Maric and Zganec (now they must call him) will have tough job to replace him. Hezonja has wish to join team but must wait for doctors opinon how his recovery from mononucleosis is going.

pohani komarac
07-15-2012, 03:08 PM
I really like your team, specially Sipahi, but Spain is crearly ahead of Turkey and basically on par with Croatia, we might not have any superstar in the making like Saric or Hezonja but a plethora of very good prospects and a more balanced team.

Croatia with full roster has most talented junior roster ever in our history. Mavra, Mustapic, Brzoja, Bosnjak, Bundovic (tough injured) are for sure high level prospects. Mustapic, athletic combo destroyed Josip Perez in their match up this year. People underestimate other in our rooster players becuse Saric and Hezonja domination, but for sample Cedevita destroyed Real and Barcelona in their matchup and only some strange game stop them for not winning NIJT in Barcelona. Mustapic, Lebo, Bundovic and others beat Zagreb with full roster in croatian U-18 championship, whille same Zagreb that beat evryone in NIJT last year finised 5th last season in Croatia

carlo
07-15-2012, 05:01 PM
Le Temple-sur-Lot (Fra) tournament: Serbia beat previously undefeated France in last game 81-76 (Doko Salic, 210, 95, 16pt+10reb) finisihing 2-1. France and Germany too were 2-1 but Serbia won the tournament for a better points diff. Russia last, 0-3.
Serbia only loss came from Germany by 1 pt 61-60.
http://www.eurobasket.com/France/basketball.asp?NewsID=278878

carlo
07-18-2012, 05:23 PM
Turkish tournament first two games:

Germany-Bulgaria 63-59 (Paul Zipser 14+8 and Malik Mueller 13, Kris Minkov 11)
Slovenia-France 72-52 (Gregor Hrovat 15+8, Mou Jaiteh 17+10)

pohani komarac
07-19-2012, 12:55 AM
2 more easy wins over montenegro

karlo zganec and tomislav gabric, 2 undersize pf got call. coaches kept bundovic in hope he could return. hezonja by first doctors infos will miss tornament. they sent home herendic among others, whille kept his back up in cibona proleta...lol, and of corse crnjevic...lol. also junakovic had brain concussion, but should be ready

o guess it could look like this

junakovic, mustapic, mavra, brzoja(40min), lebo, saric (40min), maric, zganec play, others clapp hands...like usual

iskoch
07-20-2012, 03:30 PM
I really like this generation,
Metecan Birsen, Kenan Sipahi, Kartal Özmızrak, Burak Can Yıldızlı, Talat Altunbey, Cedi Osman, Tayfun Erülkü are promising guys...
Last year Kenan played with 2 year olders, now he's with the team.
Burak Can Yıldızlı (who leads Efes youth team Pertevniyal in TB2L) also in roster.
I won't be surprised if we win the tournament this year.


+ A prediction: I expect Kartal Özmızrak to be leader of this team. He's the most talented one imo...

carlo
07-22-2012, 09:22 PM
Turkey won the International tournament beating France 69-59 and finishing the competition 5-0.

pohani komarac
07-23-2012, 03:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT90mvGIybg

croatia-montegro highlights, saric 9, brzoja 10, herendic 7, maric 14, mustapic and mavra without number

carlo
07-26-2012, 07:18 AM
Two interesting pre-championships tourneys, from 27 to 29 July:

Linares Tournament (Spain): Poland, Russia, France and Spain,
Grottaferrata Tournament (Italy): Germany, Israel, Slovenia and Italy.

Toxicity
07-26-2012, 10:29 AM
Two interesting pre-championships tourneys, from 27 to 29 July:

Linares Tournament (Spain): Poland, Russia, France and Spain,
Grottaferrata Tournament (Italy): Germany, Israel, Slovenia and Italy.

Do you know if Italy will feature Amedeo Tessitori back from the U20 team?

euskadi
07-26-2012, 12:11 PM
is there any tournament in lthuania starting 27.7.? in croatian nt plan stand that today cro goes in lithuania because of some tournament, but they do not told who are opponents

carlo
07-26-2012, 12:46 PM
Do you know if Italy will feature Amedeo Tessitori back from the U20 team?

He's expected to be in the roster, though he didn't play in Cisternino being engaged with the U20.
He's in the official list (http://www.fip.it/public/37/2142/u18m120628.pdf) as "available player" and if everything is OK should be included in the final team.

Toxicity
07-26-2012, 01:07 PM
He's expected to be in the roster, though he didn't play in Cisternino being engaged with the U20.
He's in the official list (http://www.fip.it/public/37/2142/u18m120628.pdf) as "available player" and if everything is OK should be included in the final team.

He better be in the final roster since our medal chances are linked to him...

carlo
07-28-2012, 07:58 AM
He better be in the final roster since our medal chances are linked to him...

Yesssss! Tessitori scored 10 yesterday in Italy's win 72-51 over Slovenia at Grottaferrata Tourney. Fontecchio 16, Turel 15.

http://www.fip.it/News.asp?IDNews=5114

Dreamcatcher
07-28-2012, 07:50 PM
is there any tournament in lthuania starting 27.7.? in croatian nt plan stand that today cro goes in lithuania because of some tournament, but they do not told who are opponents

It's tournament in Druskininkai.

Lithuania - Chroatia: 76-82

L. Gintvainis 13, Dimša 10, Stašelis 10
c. Šarič 35 (16 reb.), Žganec 23

One of our leaders Dimša got injured and will miss EC...

carlo
07-29-2012, 07:46 AM
Grottaferrata Day2, Italy-Israel 61-54.
Fontecchio, Tessitori 12, Imbrò 10.

pohani komarac
07-29-2012, 08:28 AM
It's tournament in Druskininkai.

Lithuania - Chroatia: 76-82

L. Gintvainis 13, Dimša 10, Stašelis 10
c. Šarič 35 (16 reb.), Žganec 23

One of our leaders Dimša got injured and will miss EC...

what happend?

carlo
07-29-2012, 10:27 AM
Other tournaments

Linares, Esp:

D1
Spain-Poland 75-47 (Hernangomez 17+10, Marin 15, Saiz 14 - Garbacz 11)
France-Russia 65-57 (Jaiteh 18+10 - M Kulagin 12)

D2
France-Poland 63-51 (Labanca 19, Jaiteh 14+11)
Spain-Russia 66-65 OT (Saiz 11+10 - Ilnitsky 22+11, M Kulagin 18)

Novi Sad, Ser:

Serbia-Greece 83-58 (Radicevic 15, Rebic 12)

carlo
07-29-2012, 04:20 PM
Linares tourney last day:

Russia-Poland 66-48 (Gankevich, Kanygin 12)
Spain-France 55-52 (Homs 10, Diop 7+12 - Harley 11, Jaiteh 8+13)

Spain wins the tournament.

Dreamcatcher
07-29-2012, 08:15 PM
2nd game.

Lithuania - Chroatia: 69-60

L. Gustys 12, Gintvainis 11, Tamulis 10
C. Šarič 30 (10 reb.), Žganec 10, Lebo 6

carlo
07-30-2012, 09:00 AM
Grottaferrata last game, Italy-Germany 63-56, Turel 19 pts.

Serbia won the Novi Sad tourney defeating Turkey 79-62, Nikola Jankovic tournament's MVP.

Italian Pride
07-30-2012, 10:00 AM
the main favourite of this tournament?apart from croazia...

can italy will be a contender for the medal?

pohani komarac
07-30-2012, 10:14 AM
lithuania, spain, turkey, france, serbia

sagenas
07-30-2012, 10:24 AM
what happend?

He broke his wrist.

Another bad thing is situation of Grigonis, who some times ago had appendicitis and is still recovering...might be in a bad shape, if plays for the team.

carlo
07-30-2012, 12:19 PM
Serbia, Spain, Croatia, Turkey, Italy, Lithuania ? (injuries problem).

Toxicity
07-30-2012, 01:50 PM
Will Hezonja be available for Croatia? If yes, they're clearly the gold medal favourite...

pohani komarac
07-30-2012, 01:59 PM
No, for now nothing changed. He is in Barcelona anyway so I doubt there is chance for him to play

Toxicity
07-30-2012, 02:07 PM
No, for now nothing changed. He is in Barcelona anyway so I doubt there is chance for him to play

He played in the U17 World Championships, right? So why he isn't eligible for the EC?

pohani komarac
07-30-2012, 02:33 PM
He played in the U17 World Championships, right? So why he isn't eligible for the EC?

he needs rest as he had mononucleosis and missed almost entire season

pohani komarac
08-04-2012, 09:58 PM
friend tels we beat Spain today + 2. hopefully there will be more info later

arizin
08-05-2012, 02:58 PM
[English or provide translation]

gockun
08-05-2012, 03:23 PM
he needs rest as he had mononucleosis and missed almost entire season

mononucleosis is an easy illnes. if he is recovered then it is ok. no need resting for that.

pohani komarac
08-05-2012, 03:46 PM
mononucleosis is an easy illnes. if he is recovered then it is ok. no need resting for that.

it's not easy in all shapes.

Croatian tennis player former top 10 Mario Ancic had to end his carer because mononucleosis

gockun
08-05-2012, 04:12 PM
it's not easy in all shapes.

Croatian tennis player former top 10 Mario Ancic had to end his carer because mononucleosis

as far as i understand there are others factors to force him to retire. more then 90 percent people doesnt feel sick or tired whatever when they have mononucleosis (mean it is asymptomatic). in Hezonja's case, he played WC he can play EC i think, ,if he wont i dont think mononucleosis could be the reason for that.
anyway i would love him to play. he is such an exciting talent.

arizin
08-05-2012, 07:29 PM
[QUOTE=pohani komarac;722139]it's not easy in all shapes.

Croatian tennis player former top 10 Mario Ancic had to end his carer because mononucleosis[/

[English or provide translation]

pohani komarac
08-05-2012, 09:20 PM
[QUOTE=pohani komarac;722139]it's not easy in all shapes.

Croatian tennis player former top 10 Mario Ancic had to end his carer because mononucleosis[/

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I will answer you on PM

turk-jugoslav
08-05-2012, 09:48 PM
Our team is medal contender for sure. It's time to show hisself for James Metecan Birsen. He was inefficient in the last youth compitions.Cedi Osman, Burak Yıldızlı and Tayfun Erülkü can also carry our team to finals. Gold medal looks like a dream because of Spain and Saric. I think we will play semi-final

pohani komarac
08-05-2012, 11:29 PM
this time we beat Spain + 26, still no other info

pohani komarac
08-05-2012, 11:43 PM
ESPAÑA: Vicedo (2), Pérez (3), Saiz (4), Diop (9), Marín (3), Homs (13) -cinco inicial-, Díaz (8), Pauli (5), Nogués (4), Hernagómez (15), Villena (1).

CROACIA: Jumakovic (0), Lebo (1), Saric (27), Brzoja (16), Mario (0) -cinco inicial-, Proieta (0), Mustapio (7), Mavra (7), Cmjevic (0), Zovko (3), Zpanec (5)

acording to this junakovic is starter. proleta, crnjevic, zovko........big f...bullshit

carlo
08-06-2012, 11:50 AM
So, the first game with Spain went 69-67 for Croats.
Don't know who scored the 3 pts left in Croatia's box score and suppose that Mario=Maric and Mustapio=Mustapic, of course.

gockun
08-06-2012, 11:51 AM
turkey's squad is full of 95' born players. i dont expect a medal, the best case is quarter final.

pohani komarac
08-06-2012, 12:18 PM
So, the first game with Spain went 69-67 for Croats.
Don't know who scored the 3 pts left in Croatia's box score and suppose that Mario=Maric and Mustapio=Mustapic, of course.

Proieta-Proleta, Jumakovic-Junakovic, Cmjevic-Crnjevic, Zpanec-Zganec

http://www.feb.es/NoticiaDesarrollo.aspx?idNoticia=43547


anyway 13 players left

junakovic, mavra, mustapic, demo, brzoja, proleta, crnjevic, zovko, gabric, maric, saric, zganec, lebo

pohani komarac
08-06-2012, 01:38 PM
91-65 in 2nd game

Mavra 22, Mustapic 19, Saric 16, Lebo 10, Proleta 7, Zganec 6, Zovko 5, Demo 3, Maric 3

http://crosarka.com/reprezentacija/u18-muskarci/ludbreg-juniori-uvjerljivi-protiv-spanjolaca-1132

nice haircuts

TB-Fan
08-06-2012, 11:53 PM
turkey's squad is full of 95' born players. i dont expect a medal, the best case is quarter final.

Turkey tries to develope their best prospects ;) And most are 95 born. we will again have one hell of a big team if you look at the roster.

PG: Kenan Sipahi 1.98
SG: Cedi Osman 1.96
SF: Metecan Birsen 2.05
PF: Burakcan Yildizli 2.02
C: Burak Haciismail 2.07

Guards-Forwards are very good in this team but Centers are average IMO.

c-myers
08-07-2012, 06:59 AM
Burakcan have to play sf. cause undersize remains in that position, can't be successful in upper level.

pohani komarac
08-07-2012, 08:43 AM
Turkey tries to develope their best prospects ;) And most are 95 born. we will again have one hell of a big team if you look at the roster.

PG: Kenan Sipahi 1.98
SG: Cedi Osman 1.96
SF: Metecan Birsen 2.05
PF: Burakcan Yildizli 2.02
C: Burak Haciismail 2.07

Guards-Forwards are very good in this team but Centers are average IMO.

some of this are 93. born

arizin
08-07-2012, 10:26 AM
It seems that Junakovic won't play becouse of his status in team he is unsatisfied or something like that.

turk-jugoslav
08-07-2012, 10:28 AM
some of this are 93. born

I have no doubts about age of Cedi-Džedi Osman and Metecan Birsen.Sipahi(or Spahi) is 93-born.I haven't any knowledge about Burak Hacıismail's age.

pohani komarac
08-07-2012, 10:43 AM
It seems that Junakovic won't play becouse of his status in team he is unsatisfied or something like that.

yeah, that kid has mind in clouds. thyt's why he is still same as he was at 16.

so we will have "only" 3 "V.I.P." players. Crnjevic, Proleta, Demo...well at least Demo can play decent defense.

Toxicity
08-08-2012, 01:03 PM
Final Italian Roster:

Amato Andrea (94, 190, PG, EA7 Emporio Armani Milano)
Bianchi Camillo (94, 196, SF, Montepaschi Banca dal 1472 Siena)
Bianconi Corrado (94, 199, SF/PF, Virtus Siena)
Candussi Francesco (94, 211, PF/C, Reyer Venezia Mestre)
Fontecchio Simone (95, 198, SG/SF, Virtus Bologna)
Imbrò Matteo (94, 192, PG, Virtus Bologna)
Laquintana Tommaso (95, 187, PG, Basket & Co. Monopoli)
Pipitone Vincenzo (94, 205, C, Reyer Venezia Mestre)
Procacci Alessandro (94, 192, SG, Sam Basket Roma)
Tessitori Amedeo (94, 205, PF/C, Virtus Siena)
Turel Mirco (94, 192, SG, Andrea Costa Imola Basket)
Vencato Luca (95, 190, PG, U.C.C. Casalpusterlengo)

Usual italiam young team full of perimeter players but lacking size under the basket... Key players are Imbrò and Tessitori.

saritasbora
08-09-2012, 08:38 AM
are there any feeds that we can watch the games live?

Novajlija
08-09-2012, 11:37 AM
Serbia squad
Nikola Radičević, Mihajlo Andrić, Luka Anđušić, Miloš Janković, Nikola Čvorović, Nikola Rebić, Dušan Ristić, Nikola Janković, Brano Đukanović, Dušan Kutlešić, Stefan Pot i Đoko Šalić.

Pretty importnat piece of puzzle, Milutinov withdraw from EC due illness. Still, coach Mijatovic draw that Milutinov is quite important piece but also hope that Jankovic will succesfully replace Milutinov. W/o him, Serbia won last test vs SLO 83-66!

Here are some test matches with stats

04/08
Serbia, Belgrade
Srbija U18 – Slovenija U18 83:66 (16:8, 15:20, 27:18, 25:20).

SRBIJA U18: Ristić 4, Čvorović 8, Anđušić 20, N. Janković, Rebić 11, Šalić 13, Pot 2, M. Jankovi ć 2 , Kutlešić 5, Andrić 8, Đukanović 10, Nikolić.

03/08
Serbia, Belgrade
Srbija U18 – Slovenija U18 113:100 (21:22, 29:26, 14:19, 12:9, 11:11, 10:10, 16:3).

SRBIJA U18: Ristić 10, Čvorović 12, Anđušić, N. Janković 25, Rebić 3, Šalić 4, Pot 24, M. Jankovi ć 2 , Kutlešić 11, Milutinov, Radičević 13, Andrić 9.

29/07
Serbia, Novi Sad
Srbija U18 – Turska U18 79:62 (24:13, 22:16, 15:25, 18:8).

SRBIJA U18: Radičević 11, Pot 7, Đukanović, Rebić 6, Čvorović 7, Kutlešić 6, Anđušić 1, Mulutinov 12, N. Janković 11, Andrić 6, Ristić 2,
Šalić 12.

28/07
Serbia, Novi Sad
Srbija U18 – Grčka U18 83:58 (26:10, 20:13, 19:17, 18:18)

SRBIJA U18: Radičević 15, Pot 7, Nikolić 4, Rebić 12, Čvorović 8, Kutlešić 11, Anđušić 1, Mulutinov 10, N. Janković 9, Andrić,
M. Janković 2, Šalić 4.

27/07
Serbia, Novi Sad
Srbija U18 – Ukrajina U18 83:52 (12:12, 20:9, 25:17, 26:14)

SRBIJA U18: Ristić, Čvorović 6, Nikolić 3, Anđušić 15, N. Janković 21, Rebić 4, Šalić 6, Pot 7, Đukanović, Milutinov 5, Radičević 8, Andrić 8.

21/07
Serbia, Novi Becej
Srbija U18 – Mađarska U18 109:68 (32:28, 21:24, 28:12, 28:14).

SRBIJA U18: Ristić 16, Andrić 11, N. Janković 8, Rebić 11, Anđušić 10, Cvetanović, Pot 10,
Kutlešić 4, Nikolić 2, M. Janković 9, Dobrić 5, Đukanović 23.

20/07
Serbia, Novi Becej
Srbija U18 – Mađarska U18 103:70 (28:17, 20:14, 32:14, 23:25).

SRBIJA U18: Ristić 2, Čvorović 5, N. Janković 8, Rebić 13, Anđušić 12, Šalić 8, Pot 10, Kutlešić 14, Nikolić 13, M. Janković 8, Dobrić 4, Đukanović 6.

14/07
Toulouse, France
Francuska U18 – Srbija U18 76:81(22:26, 20:30, 16:13,18:12).

SRBIJA U18: Gudurić 5, Ristić 4, Čvorović 11, Janković 2, Rebić 3, Milutinov 2, Cvetanović, Andrić 12, Anđušić 5, Radičević 12, Šalić 16, Pot 9, Kutlešić.

13/07
Toulouse, France
Srbija U18 – Nemačka U18 60:61 (11:12, 13:12, 17:13, 19:24).
SRBIJA U18: Gudurić 2, Ristić 2, Čvorović 7, Janković 3, Rebić 2, Milutinov 10, Cvetanović,
Andrić 4, Anđušić, Radičević 26, Šalić, Pot, Kutlešić 4.

12/07
France, Toulouse
Srbija U18 – Rusija U18 75:52 (26:17, 15:14, 20:12, 14:9).
SRBIJA U18: Gudurić 4, Ristić 6, Čvorović 4, Janković 6, Rebić 9, Milutinov 16, Cvetanović,
Anđušić 2, Radičević 13, Šalić 4, Pot, Kutlešić 9.

GEORGE_4
08-09-2012, 12:50 PM
Serbia defeated Ukraine 75:54 - Nikola Radicevic scored 18 pts, Nikola Jankovic got 17 pts and 8 rebs...

carlo
08-09-2012, 12:55 PM
And Croatia got it over Poland, 86-74 with 29+7+5 by Saric.
Polish team with a good 2nd half (45-46).

carlo
08-09-2012, 02:36 PM
Italy-Denmark 86-63, Turel and Fontecchio 14.
Ahead by 30 end of Q3, Italian team plays the bench and all players score at least 1pt

GEORGE_4
08-09-2012, 04:13 PM
First big surprise!!! Turkey lost to Bulgaria 95:89 in overtime...

c-myers
08-09-2012, 04:41 PM
Our coach Erhan Toker is totally idiot. he's is always proves.

pohani komarac
08-09-2012, 05:33 PM
i see our VIP players had lot 0 in stats, or just nothing. kids with best seats in arena:cool:

well, at least we won


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiAPNxih2K4&feature=plcp

gockun
08-09-2012, 06:39 PM
First big surprise!!! Turkey lost to Bulgaria 95:89 in overtime...

our this generation is not good enough in this age, very physical though. they cant win somethings in age groups, but they can something in senior level.
we are overrated for this tournement.

Markoishvili
08-10-2012, 12:02 PM
Tamulis is such a wonderful talent. Athletic shaprshooter, quick release, but also attacks basket with long strides and gets to the rim. Nice ball and head fakes. Terrific scorer. Sure-fire future Lithuania NT member.

pohani komarac
08-11-2012, 02:28 PM
reportedly saric worked alot on his body and he just from clips he looks lot difrent then few months ago. i think he will defenetly move on pf

dunk vs slovenia

http://synergygrid.smartarrow.aware.net/wmsd/2/101129/46384784.wmv?iClipID=13046891

highlights


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGtM7yY1--w&feature=plcp

carlo
08-11-2012, 03:34 PM
Very disappointing Germany defeated in the last minutes by Ukraine, now out of contention.

carlo
08-11-2012, 06:51 PM
France eliminated from the 2nd round by Bulgaria's win over Latvia.
Italy lost to one of the favorite teams, Lithuania, despite a 24 pts effort by Matteo Imbrò.
Playing now, top evening's game Spain-Serbia, a rematch of the Albert Schweitzer tournament final.

turk-jugoslav
08-11-2012, 09:21 PM
reportedly saric worked alot on his body and he just from clips he looks lot difrent then few months ago. i think he will defenetly move on pf

dunk vs slovenia

http://synergygrid.smartarrow.aware.net/wmsd/2/101129/46384784.wmv?iClipID=13046891

highlights


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGtM7yY1--w&feature=plcp

Saric's phsychal development process reminds me Hedo's a lot

Markoishvili
08-12-2012, 08:49 AM
After what we have seen in the first phase. Spain and Croatia are cut above everyone else. I would give little advantage to Spain due to thier depth and stronger, taller frontcourt. Lithuania has slight edge over Italy and Serbia due to homecourt.

Dreamcatcher
08-12-2012, 08:54 PM
After what we have seen in the first phase. Spain and Croatia are cut above everyone else. I would give little advantage to Spain due to thier depth and stronger, taller frontcourt. Lithuania has slight edge over Italy and Serbia due to homecourt.
I think you and some other IBN members overestimate the fact of homecourt at youth level. It can be advantage of course, but it also can be a preasure for boys. Homecourt hasn't helped a lot Slovenia (u20) and Lithuania (u16. The coach said it was quite a preasure for them at the beginning) this summer.

By the way, this lithuanian team has won silver at u16 and eliminated hosts at 1/4. I think homecourt can be a real advantage for them for example in semifinal or final (if manage to get there) where we can expect decent thousands of audience.

Straight forward
08-13-2012, 10:42 AM
Tamulis is such a wonderful talent. Athletic shaprshooter, quick release, but also attacks basket with long strides and gets to the rim. Nice ball and head fakes. Terrific scorer. Sure-fire future Lithuania NT member.

Not so sure about it with all these players in line - Gecevičius, Juškevičius, Dulkys, Redikas, Ulanovas, Dimša :) Seems like we'll have a lot of talented players in 2 position, but I would like to see one sure world class material.


I was following him this tournament and was wondering everytime if he's NT material. He makes some nice numbers, actually some crazy numbers, but does he really have some exceptional skills? Simplicity is his weapon I guess. Will keep an eye on him.

carlo
08-13-2012, 12:09 PM
2nd round is about to start, Group E is quite strong, with Esp, Ltu, Srb and Ita candidate to qualify to the quarters.

auris1
08-13-2012, 05:21 PM
Any online links for games?
i found this - for latvian games
http://sportacentrs.com/sportacentrs_tv/live/10032012-sportacentrs_com_tiesraide_justin_tv_vide

Straight forward
08-13-2012, 06:49 PM
Good. I like what I see in Marius Grigonis. He's an above average European athlete and has a lot of tools - he can penetrate, he can spin around, he can pass, he's good FT shooter, his shooting mechanics is good (even if struggling from downtown so far). The most important thing that he's playing with his head, he can create and he shows natural instict for the game. Some basketball IQ that we a little bit missing since Štombergas, Šiškauskas and now Jasikevičius retired. Now the question is his working ethics, charakter and transition to man's basketball. Hopefully he won't end up in Žalgiris, don't get me wrong :) I think we have a player over here.

mbenga
08-14-2012, 03:49 AM
I'm not going to say that this Geuer guy belongs in the same class as the likes of Valanciunas or Kanter

although i'm starting to think he might

and yea, he ended the game shooting 3/12 from the field, and he gets blocked a couple times in the video, and what not, but... look at those moves.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm_Le-ylySQ&feature=plcp

poltergeistas
08-14-2012, 02:05 PM
yesterday I saw first game of this Lithuania game, and Grigonis impressed me. seems like a really good prospect. Tamulis had a huge stats in first three games, and almost nothing yesterday, so I guess it's just a bad game.
I want to ask, is Dimsa better than Grigonis/Tamulis? Have'nt seen him playing yet. Based on NKL stats, he looks like Grigonis/Tamulis, could anybody enlighten me?
p.s. also Krestininas looks solid, not typical player

Straight forward
08-14-2012, 02:16 PM
yesterday I saw first game of this Lithuania game, and Grigonis impressed me. seems like a really good prospect. Tamulis had a huge stats in first three games, and almost nothing yesterday, so I guess it's just a bad game.
I want to ask, is Dimsa better than Grigonis/Tamulis? Have'nt seen him playing yet. Based on NKL stats, he looks like Grigonis/Tamulis, could anybody enlighten me?
p.s. also Krestininas looks solid, not typical player

From what I've seen Dimša is athetic, fast and aggressive scorer. He might be better in terms of pure scorring, but I like Grigonis decision making, IQ and overall talent better. Too bad we don't see Dimša here.

auris1
08-14-2012, 05:06 PM
Any online links for games?
i found this - for latvian games
http://sportacentrs.com/sportacentrs_tv/live/10032012-sportacentrs_com_tiesraide_justin_tv_vide
i found this
one week free trial
simple registration
emigrantas.tv
no credit card details taken upon too


This was my first time ever watching this team.
First and foremost impression - minimum amount of turnovers.
So strange,especially playing vs Serbia.
Averaging 13.3 per game before this encounter,to limit to just 7 - vow.
BTW ,Serbia was leading the tournament with least mistakes per game,with lithuania just a tad behind in second.

And i am so glad to see player as Tamulis who can go out to the court and score,without any second thought.
I really missed them type of shameless scorers,which,ironically,we did not have enough anyway.
Who do i have in my mind -not so sure - young Macijauskas maybe,before he started to pump his muscles and play as all rounder.
Maybe Vaskys .Maybe Gecevicius.
Maybe this type of a player does not have a future in a modern game,who knows,but it was so refreshingly entertaining.

pohani komarac
08-14-2012, 07:59 PM
we opend game with good defense and game was over practicly in first quater. we locked first place so coach might give rest to key players. i'm thiking about puting money on bulgaria tomorow

some nice plays in highlights. latvian ally up and 2 sick asists form brzoja and saric


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4pDe3y7Sik&feature=player_embedded#!

brzoja:cool:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k31C7vsAbA

to bad he is so unathletic

Kotarac
08-15-2012, 06:40 AM
I think he is not bad as an athlete. Not NBA level athlete for sure but he can do all right in Europe. What height is Brzoja exactly? Everywhere says 195 or 196 but to me he looks smaller, like maybe 191-192 and if this is case it will be hard for him to make it in the positions he is playing now. Also, I saw Mustapić and thought he looked no more than 186-87 and then I saw him dunking easily and standing next to some guys who are 190+ and he looked similar height.

pohani komarac
08-15-2012, 08:56 AM
I think he is not bad as an athlete. Not NBA level athlete for sure but he can do all right in Europe. What height is Brzoja exactly? Everywhere says 195 or 196 but to me he looks smaller, like maybe 191-192 and if this is case it will be hard for him to make it in the positions he is playing now. Also, I saw Mustapić and thought he looked no more than 186-87 and then I saw him dunking easily and standing next to some guys who are 190+ and he looked similar height.

real height
brzoja 192-195
mustapic around 190, but he is very athletic and reportedly he has wingspan 205cm

pohani komarac
08-15-2012, 02:18 PM
we locked first place so coach might give rest to key players. i'm thiking about puting money on bulgaria tomorow



lot of bets in croatia and latva on todays game

not first time our federation does it. hope they kick us out of this tournament

Lietuvis
08-15-2012, 02:23 PM
I thought Croatia was the team to beat. They are getting owned by Bulgaria by 20pts just before the half!! 50-29 with a minute to go!!

Wow Bulgaria must be really good!

pohani komarac
08-15-2012, 02:39 PM
I thought Croatia was the team to beat. They are getting owned by Bulgaria by 20pts just before the half!! 50-29 with a minute to go!!

Wow Bulgaria must be really good!
just to remind you

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.gameID_7308-A-5-3.compID_YUjW-7-FJ,kK9s431Lyr41.season_2010.roundID_7307.teamID_21 68.html

it's not first time our federation does same thing. we also did it last u-19 wc when our coach tought we secured 4 points

i hope fiba bans us from competitins for atleast 2 years

Straight forward
08-15-2012, 02:45 PM
just to remind you

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.gameID_7308-A-5-3.compID_YUjW-7-FJ,kK9s431Lyr41.season_2010.roundID_7307.teamID_21 68.html

it's not first time our federation does same thing. we also did it last u-19 wc when our coach tought we secured 4 points

i hope fiba bans us from competitins for atleast 2 years

What do you exactly mean? Does Croatia tanking the game?

pohani komarac
08-15-2012, 02:54 PM
What do you exactly mean? Does Croatia tanking the game?

i don't know do we tank, but look at what i predicted, and look trough history. this is 3rd time in 3 years our federation does unfair things to rest of competition when we secure first spot by resting key players....to me this is not way sports should be played and to me this is big disgrace for our basketball and countrie

Lietuvis
08-15-2012, 03:12 PM
This is exactly what happened to 8 Badminton players in the London Olympics!

swagger09
08-15-2012, 03:39 PM
i don't know do we tank, but look at what i predicted, and look trough history. this is 3rd time in 3 years our federation does unfair things to rest of competition when we secure first spot by resting key players....to me this is not way sports should be played and to me this is big disgrace for our basketball and countrie
This kind of things happen in every sport, I mean resting players when the game is meaningless. Besides, Bulgaria was like 90% qualified before the game, so no big harm done:D

GEORGE_4
08-15-2012, 03:42 PM
we opend game with good defense and game was over practicly in first quater. we locked first place so coach might give rest to key players. i'm thiking about puting money on bulgaria tomorow


As you said... without Saric and Brzoja Crotia lost 84:65...

Straight forward
08-15-2012, 03:55 PM
i don't know do we tank, but look at what i predicted, and look trough history. this is 3rd time in 3 years our federation does unfair things to rest of competition when we secure first spot by resting key players....to me this is not way sports should be played and to me this is big disgrace for our basketball and countrie

No big deal than. I was thinking maybe Croatia trying to avoid something in knock out stage.

pohani komarac
08-15-2012, 03:56 PM
This kind of things happen in every sport, I mean resting players when the game is meaningless. Besides, Bulgaria was like 90% qualified before the game, so no big harm done:D

maybe, but it's unfair to rest. maybe we would lose anway, but for me this is not way sport should be played

if czech did same thing we did our u-20 team would stay in B division

to me most proud moment of our sport was when our football team beat england in meaningles game for us and helped russia go to EC. i'm sportsman and i don't like when things are played in such ways even if it benifits my team

Picek
08-15-2012, 03:57 PM
This is exactly what happened to 8 Badminton players in the London Olympics!what happened to them?
they played a match which was deciding who will finish first and who will play against stronger team in the second group which finished second..
and none of the teams wanted that so they played the game giving their best to lose the game..

we secured the first place, and rested a player who averaged 34 minutes so far..
If Vulić played him and he got injured then the smart ass pohani would come here and say Vulić is an idiot for playing Šarić in a game that didn't matter..
we didn't lose in order to fix ourselves an easier opponent in the next round.. so no paralels can be drawn with case of badminton players on the OG..

auris1
08-15-2012, 04:43 PM
we secured the first place, and rested a player who averaged 34 minutes so far..
.
I absolutely agree.
http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/default.asp?cid=%7B0A5D217A-4698-4FA8-B126-60BCC13F0FEC%7D&pageID=%7BB23C862E-3DEA-4074-80AD-DC9ECF5AA970%7D&compID=%7B2248A846-FA78-40FF-B03C-54B460890F45%7D&roundID=8805&season=2012&statCat=Min
3 Croat players in top 15

auris1
08-15-2012, 06:33 PM
Lithuania 72 -Spain 65
Finally got to see full game
Mildly unimpressed by 20 TO by Lithuania.
Now,Spain has a system ,as in basketball school and a good one too.Like Serbians.
What they lack is a good players/execution.
AS for individual efforts,Lithuania had won every single encounter
vis a vi.
As for the team,they met ,arguably,better organised team,hence all mistakes.
Lithuania were more flexible,and got out most of what they were not suppose to do - out rebound opponents.
Awful individual performances by Grigonis /Krestinin and average by Tamulis were balanced for good/better than expected by Lekavicius ,and less so by Jankaitis and Girdvainis.
Spain leaders were bad too,and they had nothing to replace them with.
And my kudos goes to one and only Arunas Visockas
Man,he was one mean player,and he had become one mean coach too.

auris1
08-15-2012, 06:35 PM
Lithuania 72 -Spain 65
Finally got to see full game
Mildly unimpressed by 20 TO by Lithuania.
Now,Spain has a system ,as in basketball school and a good one too.Like Serbians.
What they lack is a good players/execution.
AS for individual efforts,Lithuania had won every single encounter vis a vi.
As for the team,they met ,arguably,better organised team,hence all mistakes.
Lithuania were more flexible,and got out most of what they were not suppose to do - out rebound opponents.
Awful individual performances by Grigonis /Krestinin and average by Tamulis were balanced for good/better than expected by Lekavicius ,and less so by Jankaitis and Girdvainis.
Spain leaders were bad too,and they had nothing to replace them with.
And my kudos goes to one and only Arunas Visockas
Man,he was one mean player,and he had become one mean coach too.
Good for us

Dreamcatcher
08-15-2012, 07:24 PM
We did a great job in defence against Spanish bigs, 2 of whom are negros. Despite the advantage in height, Spain lost rebounds hugely - 31:49. That's how teamwork works. Grogonis was the only one who has done really bad today, meanwhile i would mention good job by Gustys from the bench (2nd center).

swagger09
08-15-2012, 08:04 PM
Top4 go to the U19 W.Ch, right?

Hepcat
08-15-2012, 08:22 PM
Team Lietuva is certainly looking good heading into the playoffs!

:cool:

Dreamcatcher
08-15-2012, 08:22 PM
Top4 go to the U19 W.Ch, right?

It should be top5.

auris1
08-15-2012, 08:27 PM
We did a great job in defence against Spanish bigs, 2 of whom are negros..
My god,i am lost for my words.

I have lived in UK for past 15 years,and i am still not sure how to call them black people.
Black African origin?
Darked skin?
What if they come from India or Pakistan?Are they brownish?
If i am asked at work,i go way and above to describe the person of interest avoiding a colour.

But somehow i assume that one of them had mixed race parents.
I do not have correct terminology for him too

swagger09
08-15-2012, 08:27 PM
It should be top5.

Thx:)

auris1
08-15-2012, 08:28 PM
Team Lietuva is certainly looking good heading into the playoffs!

:cool:

Favourites

lafa
08-15-2012, 08:37 PM
So now we can sum everything up - with Bulgaria's win over Croatia they ended up 2nd instead of 4th... Latvia should be very very angry with Croatia now...

Dreamcatcher
08-15-2012, 08:41 PM
My god,i am lost for my words.

I have lived in UK for past 15 years,and i am still not sure how to call them black people.
Black African origin?
Darked skin?
What if they come from India or Pakistan?Are they brownish?
If i am asked at work,i go way and above to describe the person of interest avoiding a colour.

But somehow i assume that one of them had mixed race parents.
I do not have correct terminology for him too
If you understund russian a little bit, you can see this scene from the legendary film. I called theM in a right way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Qsh3ocFDA

swagger09
08-15-2012, 09:02 PM
So now we can sum everything up - with Bulgaria's win over Croatia they ended up 2nd instead of 4th... Latvia should be very very angry with Croatia now...

They should blame themselves imo. Had they beat Bulgaria, they wouldn't have ended 4th

euskadi
08-15-2012, 09:06 PM
So now we can sum everything up - with Bulgaria's win over Croatia they ended up 2nd instead of 4th... Latvia should be very very angry with Croatia now...

they should be very very very very angry on themselfs losing by 11 vs bugarska

pohani komarac
08-15-2012, 09:15 PM
in B division Jusuf Nurkic dominates. 23,6 pts per game and 14,8 rb. It's B division, but still it's impresive:eek:

I can't wait to see this kid

Hepcat
08-16-2012, 09:04 PM
We did a great job in defence against Spanish bigs, 2 of whom are negros.

My god,i am lost for my words.

I have lived in UK for past 15 years,and i am still not sure how to call them black people.
Black African origin?
Darked skin?
What if they come from India or Pakistan?Are they brownish?

Let's just say that when it comes to basketball, Spain casts a very wide net when looking for "nationals". "Hey son, how would you like to go to school in Madrid or Barcelona, all expenses paid? And we'll throw in a passport too!"

;)

mbenga
08-16-2012, 10:26 PM
So according to your logic this LeBron guy should be playing for team Africa or sumthin?
If anyone cares, i guess Saiz was born and raised in Spain. And BTW, i used to think that Diop was naturalized since he was born in Senegal but his father is spaniard.

mbenga
08-16-2012, 10:31 PM
My god,i am lost for my words.

I have lived in UK for past 15 years,and i am still not sure how to call them black people.
Black African origin?
Darked skin?
What if they come from India or Pakistan?Are they brownish?
If i am asked at work,i go way and above to describe the person of interest avoiding a colour.

But somehow i assume that one of them had mixed race parents.
I do not have correct terminology for him too
If you feel the uncontrollable need to make a refrence to his "race" i guess mulatto is the proper term, at least in spanish.

Hepcat
08-16-2012, 11:10 PM
So according to your logic this LeBron guy should be playing for team Africa or sumthin?

Actually I prefer the old-fashioned system where he'd still be playing for Cleveland. That way I wouldn't have to buy a media guide every year to see which player was going to be playing for which team.

;)

Italian Pride
08-17-2012, 11:24 AM
there will be a streaming for italy-croatia this evening?

lafa
08-17-2012, 01:30 PM
there will be a streaming for italy-croatia this evening?

Can't see it on official broadcaster's TV schedule so my guess is - no.

Toxicity
08-17-2012, 02:08 PM
Russia defeated Spain 58-56!!! First big surprise of the tournament... sad news for Italy because Spain will face the 5th-8th place games and if we want to qualify for the U19 World Championships we need a win against Croatia tonight or Spain in the next few days... definitely tough.

Lietuvis
08-17-2012, 05:45 PM
Well thats awesome team Lietuva, still only UNDEFEATED team in the competition!!

lafa
08-17-2012, 06:00 PM
Hard fought win is still a win. What happened with Tamulis? He's shooting blanks last two games...

auris1
08-17-2012, 06:05 PM
Hard fought win is still a win. What happened with Tamulis? He's shooting blanks last two games...
I don't know if you watched the game,but commentator mentioned that there was a rumour that Tamulis got injured after second game .

lafa
08-17-2012, 06:20 PM
I don't know if you watched the game,but commentator mentioned that there was a rumour that Tamulis got injured after second game .

I did watch, but since I can't stand Rainys' commenting, I always turn the sound off.

auris1
08-17-2012, 06:31 PM
it wasn't that hard in the end,although Lithuania did not play that well at all.
Low scoring game,never our strength i would assume.
Did you know that this Latvian team played last season in Latvian top League?
16 games if i remember correctly from an article i read in official website for this tournament,with only one win,but it had toughened them all right.
You have to appreciated your opponent sometimes too - team play for Latvian,even with their limited talent,made them hard nut to crack.
I found another favourite of mine for this game- Denis Krestinin - god damn,this guy was relentless in his efforts for rebounds and free ball.
Shame,he doesn't seem to have steady shot at all.
9 points with 9 rebounds,but with abysmal free throw shooting (1/5) in 19 minutes.
Visockas could not rely on him after big break,but for the minutes he had on court he deserves some appreciation.
Grigonis is maybe another one worth mentioning.
31 minutes with 16 points - and he finally managed to hit 2 3 point (shots out of 5).
But for every good play he had one bad too.
His off balance/under pressure shot is very weak,plus he had 2 (at least) lucky calls from referees from penetration with his free hand pushing opponent(50/50 call).
But he looked calm and composed too.
Knowing that he had appendices just few months/weeks? before tournament , he looks like he is getting better and better with each game progressing.
Raupys and Gustys are honorary members for today's top 5, probably with Lekavicius finishing line up for me today

auris1
08-17-2012, 06:44 PM
I did watch, but since I can't stand Rainys' commenting, I always turn the sound off.
How strange.
I do not think i ever heard this name before.
The only voice i do recognise is Kunigelis.

Petrauskas?,Kesminas,and Ceponis? are the others i can put the face to the name after they introduce themselves,before or after the game.
And there is this commentator,Zalgiris fan too,not sure who,or any of them mentioned above.

But i will give you my personal opinion - very decent and professional job he did there.
He was never annoying and he knew what he was talking about.
I actually agreed with his judgement all the time.
Maybe he did not stray away from " i see what you see" line,but that was good enough for me
i was so much more annoyed with BBC commentators for Olympics - John Amaechi,Andrew Gase i think and two others(one USa,one Australian)
Amount of bullshit they had to share with viewers was inconceivable

lafa
08-17-2012, 07:11 PM
Yes, Krestinin is a decent guy, but that unsportsmanlike foul caused us a some headache. We were up by 5 point and could have been 7/8, and instead it was back to only +1.

And regarding Rainys, he's TV3 sport news anchor. I agree, he's better than Nalivaika (shared commenting with Kunigelis during Olympics) and Kesminas, but he's not even close to Petrauskas and Kunigelis, and for whatever reason I can't stand his voice...

P.s.: I liked, that Grigonis could dribble, considering his height.

auris1
08-17-2012, 07:42 PM
Yes, Krestinin is a decent guy, but that unsportsmanlike foul caused us a some headache. We were up by 5 point and could have been 7/8, and instead it was back to only +1.

Not sure of how being
decent guy applies to someone in basketball game,especially after elbowing someone in the face.
He is a hustler of the team,so i assume.
Decent jump/speed and above average body strength for the guy who is only 200 cm tall.Good enough for under 18 bb.But he doesn't even have a static shot to go with.

auris1
08-17-2012, 08:19 PM
P.s.: I liked, that Grigonis could dribble, considering his height.
Since you are only one to comment here -
MARIUS GRIGONIS -198 F
Yes,indeed,he likes to have a ball in his hands.
But he make uneasy shots after coming from pick and roll.
Jasikevicius when shooting after pick and roll has always had inertia to face basket directly with a jump/flow shot
Grigonis made them shots placing the ball uncomfortably to his right from his natural shot.2 or 3 times i noticed that.
Rising his left hand while dribbling was not convincing too
But he is cool as cucumber
Good for us

Lietuvis
08-18-2012, 07:45 AM
Since you are only one to comment here -
MARIUS GRIGONIS -198 F
Yes,indeed,he likes to have a ball in his hands.


I find him a very selfish player and when other players are open he forces up the shot. Actually when he gets the ball I bet 98% of the time he shoots never passes! Watch for this in tonights game!

Straight forward
08-18-2012, 12:58 PM
I find him a very selfish player and when other players are open he forces up the shot. Actually when he gets the ball I bet 98% of the time he shoots never passes! Watch for this in tonights game!

He's a little bit of ballhog, that's right. On other hand there was some games where he could end the game with 10 assists if not his teammates misses. I still not sure how good of ball handler he can be (coming to men's basketball) , but I really hope he could develop into decent one. A lot of to improve, but he is promising because I see him more of a guard, creative one, potentially filling our weakest spot (PG). Even if he couldn't play PG at men's level, 2/3 spot player that can create his own shot, can pass the ball and seems to have good IQ would be refreshing.

And I really think that in Youth level better players should stand out and should be a little bit selfish. Leaders always should be a little bit selfish. However in Lithuanian clubs (Rytas, Žalgiris) his selfisness and creativity would be shot down for good :p I would like our best youngsters going to some real organizations though. To Spanish clubs for example. It's good Domantas Sabonis will end up playing for Unicaja eventually probably.

And he already can talk some English, saying Croatia is a team to beat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZqoXPWsiFs

LuDux
08-18-2012, 01:29 PM
Grigonis has to be selfish because usual go-to scorers Dimsa and Tamulis are more or less absent. It's probably what coach told him to do.

I wonder how long ago he started playing as almost full time PG?

No fans of Gustys? He looks like Songaila sometimes

Dreamcatcher
08-18-2012, 01:45 PM
Grigonis has to be selfish because usual go-to scorers Dimsa and Tamulis are more or less absent. It's probably what coach told him to do.

I wonder how long ago he started playing as almost full time PG?

No fans of Gustys? He looks like Songaila sometimes
I liked him, actually much more than Jankaitis. Nothing special, but looks decent.

By the way, if Krestinin would be taller and improve his shot, we could expect to have our Kirilenko...

Straight forward
08-18-2012, 02:03 PM
By the way, if Krestinin would be taller and improve his shot, we could expect to have our Kirilenko...

And if he would run the flour better, would have some sense for passes and if...:) He has decent athleticism and good motor. I doubt that's enough. No skills or talent, IMO. Not big and tall enough to be a defensive 4, but maybe I'm wrong.

I like Gustys and Krestinin best from the frontcourt though...

PS: Relally hope for Lithuania- Croatia in the final. To have an impression how much of pain (in the ass) Sarič will be for our senior NT in the future :)

LuDux
08-18-2012, 02:30 PM
By the way, if Krestinin would be taller and improve his shot, we could expect to have our Kirilenko...

He's 202 according to club website (http://www.krepsinioakademija.lt/lt/klubas/apie-mus/), and that's from autumn of 2011

Straight forward
08-18-2012, 04:48 PM
http://www.fibatv.com/live/id/754391

Close game so far.

auris1
08-18-2012, 05:43 PM
fuckin'ell.
What an end.

pohani komarac
08-18-2012, 05:44 PM
wow, that last play was just great

Nakule
08-18-2012, 05:48 PM
Indeed, what an end! It reminded me the 2010 U18 European semi-final against Serbia as well also in that same Siemens Arena, we were down by like 10? or even more points, but then did our best in defence and completely paralyzed their offence till maximum resulting in a close win - 67-66, which is 69-67 today. Congratulations :)

Hepcat
08-18-2012, 05:48 PM
Wow! What a game!

Lietuva 69 Serbia 67

Just went I thought the Lithuanians had collapsed in the fourth quarter, they rallied back to win!

:cool:

Straight forward
08-18-2012, 05:49 PM
One of the best clutch performances! Fucking great! :D

Grigonis easily goes to one of my favourite young Liths players after this tournament!

LTbotd
08-18-2012, 07:00 PM
Fuuuuuuuuuuck, couldn't watch the game... Is there any highlights out there or a video of few last minutes?

Straight forward
08-18-2012, 07:05 PM
Sarič is one mean talent, but Russia is schooling Croatia how to play as a team.

Darknemo2000
08-18-2012, 07:37 PM
Sarič is one mean talent, but Russia is schooling Croatia how to play as a team.

Lessons well learned. Croatia is down by just 5 with one quarter to go. Considering how fast they came back from 19 point deficit I dont think Russia will be able to put this through despite their lead for most of the game.

Picek
08-18-2012, 07:59 PM
sloppy play but still a win..
closed out the game 37 - 14 in the last 17 minutes..
I must say I didn't believe we could come back from 19 point down, not with the way we were playing in the first half..
I don't think we can play any worse then we did today. or?

third place game tomorrow will be rather interesting..
who will be less dissapointed after today.. Serbia after losing 8 point lead in the last 3-4 minutes of the game or Russia after losing 19 point lead..

Straight forward
08-18-2012, 08:06 PM
Croatia is playing primitive basketball. They come as a dream team - trying to make it all with pure talent. They basing the game on one player and if Sarič will play like he did tonight (9/26 from the field), Lithuania will take it tommorow. If Sarič will play alone, let him have his 24-35 points, but that will do it.

pohani komarac
08-18-2012, 08:11 PM
Evrything went wrong for us from start. to much individual plays, Brzoja geting injured, missed dunks, layups and jumpshoots (Russians played good defense to) and some "we will win it easy attitude", but when they realised they could actally lose kids raised level of energy on extra level and 2 big Brzoja 3's gave us some confidance back. Saric was out of energy at end, but Maric came out of nowere and finished Russians

From Russia that left handed big man has great future. I watched him for firs time (Can't remeber his name) and he impresed me alot. Very athletic, strong and old school hook shoot

Dreamcatcher
08-18-2012, 08:36 PM
Saric had 26 shots :eek:

It's hard to judge about the team, when one guy does so. But overall i think chroats should do better in order to win against us. At least i hope so.

On the other hand Chroatia has much more physic: 2.08, 2.08, 2.05, 2.04, plus the strongest guy in this tournament. It's better to give him to shoot from the midle range rather than to go under basket i think.

I hope for a good game as there have been two today.

Picek
08-18-2012, 08:56 PM
Saric had 26 shots :eek:

he was 9/17 when he scored his last points..

pohani komarac
08-19-2012, 08:34 AM
In B division B&H and Czech Republic are in finals. So far I didn't find streams and probably there won't be any because B&H TV will show only replay

Joško Poljak Fan
08-19-2012, 10:07 AM
Slovenia ended up 10th, with 2 chances for top8 narrowly wasted. Not all that bad considering basicaly only 4 players were playing and that our whole 94' generation got reportedly constantly overlooked on behalf of 95' generation.

Due to Matic Rebec being only 180cm, there are loads of smartasses claiming not only he won't have even a slight chance for a career in europe, but will dissapear even at the club level below the adriatic league, yet he keeps showing some occasional sparks of brilliance and I can't wait for him to proove them wrong.

Straight forward
08-19-2012, 03:10 PM
So what's the odds for Lithuania- Croatia final tonight? I would say Croatia still favourite in this game while having super talent in thier roster. Lithuania's advantage is home court and probably more equal roster. Besides I have a feeling we have a smarter coach - at least some nice combinations, we are playing like a team. However if Sarič will have a huge game and will be comlimented by Brzoja, that's some bunch of a talent Lithuania barely can deal with. More or less it's Lithuania against Sarič and usually TEAMs win such battles even if I think Croatia is lightly favoured in this final.

Here's preview with video:
http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/coid_p5-Q74aVGMsG8XVd3qPjO3.articleMode_on.html

pohani komarac
08-19-2012, 03:37 PM
I 2 finals with Lithuanian teams Saric got TD. It's not realistic to happen again, but it would be fun to see it:D

pablonis
08-19-2012, 03:38 PM
Apparently U18 Croatia has not won against U18 Lithuania in over a decade.

Nakule
08-19-2012, 04:25 PM
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pohani komarac
08-19-2012, 04:54 PM
Serbia takes broze, BiH takes gold in B divison. Very glad for our neighbors. This is also most talented BiH generation lead by Nurkic, Vrabac, Buza

Straight forward
08-19-2012, 06:12 PM
I'm convinced more and more that homecrowd isn't and advantage for Lithuania :) Kids looked scared in the first half, except maybe Grigonis, too bad he got 3rd personal foul. Sarič also has 3 fouls.

Picek
08-19-2012, 06:41 PM
Raupys acting like a poor loser..

Šarić with a three, hopefully that one does it..

edit: Brzoja nails it..

Illegal2k10
08-19-2012, 06:58 PM
Raupys acting like a poor loser..

that guy is pure rembo, as far as i remember him, croatian should be happy he didnt went nuts hehe

Saric has more quality than all Ltu team combined hehe

Picek
08-19-2012, 07:11 PM
too bad Šarić will miss another WC..
I doubt he will play in this team next year at U 19 WC..
deserved gold for us and with Hezonja it would be even easier..

auris1
08-19-2012, 07:13 PM
we had better team overall - and it will continue to get better -2 years ago Lith lost 5 games,before loosing in a final to this very same Croatian team in a very painful way.
Now we had won all, but one , with a decent fight in finals
If it wasn't for Saric, Croatians would struggle because they are below average as a team.
So in next year's u19 WC , especially if Dimsa gets back to the team i think we could be ready to win against them
i hope

pohani komarac
08-19-2012, 07:14 PM
too bad Šarić will miss another WC..
I doubt he will play in this team next year at U 19 WC..
deserved gold for us and with Hezonja it would be even easier..

and Bundovic, MVP of Croatian U-18 and starting center of this team

Straight forward
08-19-2012, 07:17 PM
Croatia deserved it. Not only Sarič, but whole team. Congrats.

Lithuania gave pretty horrible defensive effort, specially in first half and we lacked a player who would stand out in 4 quarter. Grigonis started to do that too late. Let's mention again that Lithuania was missing Dimša.

pimpekaustas
08-19-2012, 07:20 PM
ha ha auris you are funny lol saric didnt won this years croatian junior league, bundovic was MVP yes center that before two years sscored 24 points against liths in final, he is injured so didnt played here. add him and heZonja and plus 30 again for croats ;)

euskadi
08-19-2012, 07:25 PM
we had better team overall - and it will continue to get better -2 years ago Lith lost 5 games,before loosing in a final to this very same Croatian team in a very painful way.
Now we had won all, but one , with a decent fight in finals
If it wasn't for Saric, Croatians would struggle because they are below average as a team.
So in next year's u19 WC , especially if Dimsa gets back to the team i think we could be ready to win against them
i hope
croatia is missing 2 best offensive players of this generation hezonja and bundovic ( besides saric ). plus bosnjak, herendic maybe pavlovic, hrkac and some other players because of vip players ( sons or friends of influential people in hks )


with best players +25 easily

Afraid
08-19-2012, 07:30 PM
Saric looks like he's sexy and he knows it, guy already thinks he's a star... Gabric screaming after every single score like a madman also looks crazy somehow..

Anyway Raupys overreacted the most.. really a loosers action to take that was :)

Other than that, nice game. I wonder what will happen next year, as Saric probably heading to senior team, will this team still be able to lift the trophy? :)

Straight forward
08-19-2012, 07:31 PM
Croatia won fair and square. Auris drunk too much this time I think :) It's their generation, just like we had it with Valančiūnas' crew.

Still amazing tournament for Lithuania. No-one saw them as a lock for the final before the tournament and only one loss! And it's save to say we have an interesting prospect that can play as PG. Hopefully that's great news for senior NT. Looking forward to see him in WC next summer.

pohani komarac
08-19-2012, 07:47 PM
Saric looks like he's sexy and he knows it, guy already thinks he's a star... Gabric screaming after every single score like a madman also looks crazy somehow..

Anyway Raupys overreacted the most.. really a loosers action to take that was :)

Other than that, nice game. I wonder what will happen next year, as Saric probably heading to senior team, will this team still be able to lift the trophy? :)


anyone who knows saric knows how huble he is

gabric is most emotional emotional kid with bigest heart of all


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02sbTkhSNFE

Afraid
08-19-2012, 08:05 PM
Maybe it's hard for me to get his croatian screams.. but this video, that just words. I mean, Babrauskas can say that Jomantas is nice, but when he gets too emotional, injuries happens :) Of course I do not know him well, maybe he's a nice guy. Just screaming like Tarzan after a wide open dunk, like he made game winning three with a foul it looks just plain weird to say the least

auris1
08-19-2012, 08:08 PM
Croatia won fair and square. Auris drunk too much this time I think :) It's their generation, just like we had it with Valančiūnas' crew.

.
Sober as a whistle today mate.
Why would you even say this?
I am not arguing that Croatia did not deserve the gold.

Or is it because i said that without Saric they are less than an average team?
well,it looked that way to me today.
Did you see anything particularly impressive today apart from passing ball to Saric?
And don't give me the crap about all them players missing euskadi - i can only comment on what i saw today.



More importantly ,i liked what i saw in Lithuanian team.I think they are moving forward as a team.

Dreamcatcher
08-19-2012, 08:11 PM
Congrats Chroatia with gold and probably the most dominant talent at youth level i have seen.

Good tournament for us.

pohani komarac
08-19-2012, 08:24 PM
Sober as a whistle today mate.
Why would you even say this?
I am not arguing that Croatia did not deserve the gold.

Or is it because i said that without Saric they are less than an average team?
well,it looked that way to me today.
Did you see anything particularly impressive today apart from passing ball to Saric?
And don't give me the crap about all them players missing euskadi - i can only comment on what i saw today.



More importantly ,i liked what i saw in Lithuanian team.I think they are moving forward as a team.

Yes this 7 players would not be dominate like our team is, that's for sure. Imo, Saric once again dominated when he needed most, in finals as usual, but i QF with Saric on court score was negative, it was 7 others who take this team to next round

For sure our 94.-95. teams without 2 stars Saric and Hezonja would not dominate as they do, but for sure with full roster 94.-95. team would do good, without VIP players and more team game.

LuDux
08-19-2012, 08:50 PM
croatia is missing 2 best offensive players of this generation hezonja and bundovic ( besides saric ). plus bosnjak, herendic maybe pavlovic, hrkac and some other players because of vip players ( sons or friends of influential people in hks )


with best players +25 easily

Big deal, according to internet comments Lithuanian junior NT's constantly miss 80% of best players because their parents are not billionaires

pohani komarac
08-19-2012, 09:21 PM
Big deal, according to internet comments Lithuanian junior NT's constantly miss 80% of best players because their parents are not billionaires

i folow yuth kids alot and most things i predicted here happend when i talked about kids, not just this tornament. from lose without saric, from u-16 failure, from jakov mustapic impruvment, to style of our plays...well maybe people here don't look me like that , but i belive from posts i posted here i got some credibility when we speek about our kids and . i thik i prooved that here

so i know proleta is backup i cibona junior eam, jet dominik herendic, best cibona player besides marko arapovic is not here. antonio crnjevic zabok was losing by 100 points but son of dragutin crnjevic is here. on other hand domagoj bosnjak, the one who stoped evrey player at u-17 is not here. besides starters hezonja and budovic and elite role player prospect bosnjak are not big lose. but herendic, pavlovic, junakovic, bender all could help in rotation unlike 4 vip players we lead.

just for sample

one of best u-18 junior scorers in croatia ozren pavlovic who actally plays for one of best u-18 teams in croatia


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiQUmAdN7BU

Bosnian 23
08-19-2012, 10:02 PM
We won gold in Divisin B and are promoted to Division A. It's the first time any of our junior basketball teams have made it to Division A, I am really happy. :)

Kotarac
08-20-2012, 07:25 AM
Sober as a whistle today mate.
Why would you even say this?
I am not arguing that Croatia did not deserve the gold.

Or is it because i said that without Saric they are less than an average team?
well,it looked that way to me today.
Did you see anything particularly impressive today apart from passing ball to Saric?
And don't give me the crap about all them players missing euskadi - i can only comment on what i saw today.

More importantly ,i liked what i saw in Lithuanian team.I think they are moving forward as a team.

You said this Croatian team was same as two years ago and the guy just point to you that in fact it isn't the same team. Missing the starting C, second leading scorer is a big change. Not to mention again that a talent like Hezonja is missing for second time (he missed the 2010 u16 with hand injury).

pohani komarac
08-20-2012, 10:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vNqpjnuUvqQ



MVP:cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4HtE1Xtqr8&feature=g-u-u

auris1
08-20-2012, 02:02 PM
You said this Croatian team was same as two years ago and the guy just point to you that in fact it isn't the same team. Missing the starting C, second leading scorer is a big change. Not to mention again that a talent like Hezonja is missing for second time (he missed the 2010 u16 with hand injury).
All right,now i see what you are getting at - By the "very same team" i meant under 16 two years ago,and under 18 this year - i never implied they were the same players.
According to Lithuanian commentary , Croatia had 6? new players .but that wasn't my point anyway.
Just let me clarify for the last time -

Lithuania as a team improved so much more during last 2 years.The result is the same,but the game play and the way they had reached final was different.The way they played in the final was different too.

Croatia deserved gold.

Without Saric this particular Croatian team looked to me below average - not a medal contender.

The only part i would reconsider is next year's WC u19 - maybe Croatia were missing more good players than Lithuania in just Dimsa.So this would mean that Croatia still would have more reserves,but that would be just guessing.

Markoishvili
08-20-2012, 03:04 PM
Here is my report on top performers of this championship, don`t pay much attention on comparison. They were usually first thing on top of my head.

Dario Saric PF Croatia
Tough, smart and talented. Has shown improved body and is slightly quicker and more athletic than last summer. His jumper is little smoother now as well. He still cannot shoot of the dribble, poor footwork, converts on set shots. Defensively helps a lot, reads the game and anticipates well. His individual defense is rather poor, especially on the perimeter, where he doesn`t seem to have footspeed to stay infront of more athletic wings. Therefore, he will need to be a Power Forward, both at NBA level and European. He is special talent that much is clear, with his ability to create shots off the dribble, fantastic court vision and improving back to the basket game.
Comparison: Toni Kukoc

Rasmus Larsen PF/C Denmark
Perimeter oriented Power Forward/Center with great size and solid athleticism. Really likes to face the basket and is surprisingly good putting the ball on the floor and driving to the basket for someone his size. His jumper is also smooth, good mechanics and is basiclly unblockable. Has good strenght, but is not very willing to work hard for position in the post. Runs the floor well. Will need to improve his work on defense and on the boards. Needs to put in the work, but potential is there.
Comparison: Andrea Bargnani

Mouhammadou Jaiteh C France
Very athletic Center with good hands and solid fundamentals. Doesn`t have ideal height for C position currently, but might get there. Long wingspan. Very thin, needs to put on the weight. Has good hands, is able to finish in traffic and has decent mid-range jumper with high arc to boot. Great rebounder, really active on the glass. Will need to improve his back to the basket game and passing ability out of post, otherwise will remain a role player on offense.
Comparison: Jerome Moiso/Boniface Ndong

Ilimane Diop C Spain
Athletic center, another project in the mold of Ibaka/Biyombo. Has good size, athleticism and is strong for his age. Shows better footwork and back to the basket game at this stage than both Ibaka and Biyombo. May be a notch below those two athletically. Has ugly looking jumpshot, but shoots decently on free throws. Has good size and long arms. Good awareness on defense, will rebound and block shots. Will make a career of being a defensive specialist even if his offensive game never develops much.
Comparison: Bismack Biyombo

Kenan Sipahi PG Turkey
Point guard with great size and excellent ability to run pick and roll. Has both the quickness to turn the corner and ability to shoot the ball. Solid athlete. Good court vision, willing passer. Gets out of control sometimes. Not very consistent. Needs to improve his ability to finish shots in the paint. Effort on defense is questionable sometimes. So is his actual age.
Comparison: Beno Udrih

Gabriel Hernangomez PF/C Spain
Has improved so much physically in the past 12 month. Now is a lot bigger and stronger. Not quite an athlete, but is tough and skilled. Has very developed back to the basket game with hooks, jumpers and dropsteps. Can shoot the jumper from 3-4 meters with nice touch. Solid defensive player, altrough his game is more ground based. Is among the most ready players for senior basketball in this group, could step in next season and be rotation guy at ACB level in my opinion.
Comparison: Felipe Reyes.

Marius Grigonis SG/SF Lithuania
Big swigmen with ability to handle the ball and run the pick and roll. At this best when drving to the basket using his size and long strides to finish at the rim. Also has good looking mid-range jumper coming off the pick and roll. His accuracy suffers when stepping behind the three point lane. Good passer, altrought would rather score than pass. Has been prone to overhandling the ball at this championship, but that can be corrected. Has size and athleticism to be a decent defender.
Comparison: Vladimir Micov

Justas Tamulis SG Lithuania
Natural born scorer with excellent shooting ability and quick realase. Is not great athlete, but has quick first step and is able to get to the basket and finish with a pretty floater. Decent passeer when on the move. However, his biggest weapon is his shooting ability. Has great looking stroke with quick release and can shoot coming off screens or from static position. Will need to get stronger and improve his body strenght. Mediocre defender at this point.
Comparison: Jaycee Carrol

Josep Perez PG Spain
Pass first Point Guard with strong shooting ability and underwhleming athleticism. Has faded as the competition got near its end. Can run the middle pick and roll with best of them. Has terrific court vision and passing ability. Can also stroke the three even well behind the line. Doesn`t get all the way to the basket, instead finishing with floater from mid-range. Is poor athlete, doesn`t have blow-by quickness. Skinny, suffers on defense especially when confronted with screens. If his body develops he could turn into Teodosic/Huertas type of player.
Comparison: Marcelinho Huertas

Stefan Pot PG/SG Serbia
Has been playing out of position at SG, but got into groove in later rounds and was Serbia`s best player once Radicevic got out with injury. He is big-sized playmaker with terrific court vision and high basketball IQ. Runs the pick and roll very well. He is also good shooter from behind the arc. Able to defend two positions at the defensive end. Not a great athlete, but solid. While Radicevic and Jankovic put up the best numbers, Pot is the guy with biggest upside from this Serbian group.
Comparison: Milos Teodosic

Mikhail Kulagin SG/SF Russia
Much better athlete than his brother Dimitry, while not that special with ball in his hands. Mikhail is swingmen with very good athleticism, who can create his own offense but is not very efficient doing so at the moment. Likes to shoot from the mid-range of the dribble. Has solid shot, but his shot-selection needs to improve. Can get wild at times. Excellent rebounder for his size and good individual defender. Looks bigger than his listed height.
Comparison: Martynas Pocius

Nikola Jankovic PF/C Serbia
One of the strongest players at the championship. Has used his streght to get degree on the offensive glass and carving up inside post position. Good finisher around the basket. Plays like a center. Doesn`t have ideal height for the way he plays. Average athlete. Plays withing his limits. Is poor ballhandler is didn`t show ability to step outside and knockdown mid-range jumper. Had trouble converting his free-throws. One wonders how will his games translate to pro`s, once he is not the strongest player on the floor.
Comparison: Ian Vougiukas

Alberto Diaz PG/SG Spain
Combo guard with good athleticism and high acivity level. Has outperformed Perez as the tournament neared its end. Has good off the dribble games, gets to the basket. Not a natural Point Guard, but does solid job running the offense. His shot looks good, so may be able to improve on his accuracy in the future. Agressive defender, can defend muliple positions. Crashes the glass. Good in transition.
Comparison: Victor Sada

Nikola Radicevic PG Serbia
Big Point Guard with good athleticism and slashing ability. Has the quickness to turn the corner. Got to the basket and drawed a lot of fouls. Showed solid passing ability, but is score first type of guard. Has questionable decision making skills and likes to overhandle. Poor perimeter shooter, but still forced up a lot of shots from there. Has length and footspeed to be a above average defender.
Comparison: Roko Leni Ukic

Matic Rebec PG Slovenia
Undersized Point Guard with excellent shooting and passing skills. Has incredible range on his jumper, pulling up and knocking down shots from 8+ meters regularly. Good quickness and ability to pass on the move. Can`t finish paint shots as he is on the small side and is not strong, nor very good leaper. Will need to improve his mid-range game to be more efficient on offense. Needs to mature and show better decision making. Has done poor job at the defensive end, preserving his energy for offense.
Comparison: Jaka Lakovic

Mislav Brzoja SG/SF Croatia
Swingmen with good size and strong scoring ability. Can shoot the ball and put it on the floor. Good ballhandler and passer. Underwhelming athlete, could lose some pounds to improve his quickness. Solid defender, anticipates well and gets into the passing lines. May not have athelticism to be a first-option at senior level, but should have strong role player potential as solid shooter/defender type.
Comparison: Vitaly Fridzon

Benjamin Sene PG France
Scoring Point Guard with good quickness and good jumpshot. Has really played well in the games i have seen, but his stats fall of the cliff afterwards. Has quickness to penetrate the defense and can stop on the dime and pull up for great looking mid-range jumper. Doesn`t have developed playmaker instincts and is more at home when scoring the ball.
Comparison: Sergio Llull

Dimitrios Agravanis PF Greece
Tall Power Forward who likes to play on the perimeter and can really shoot the ball. Has range out to the three point line. Soft touch, altrought his release is little on the slow side. Has solid strenght and has done good job on the glass. Is below average athletically, has slow feet. Doesn`t offer much in the back to the basket game.
Comparison: Kostas Kaimakoglu meets Antonis Fotsis

Amedeo Tessitori C Italy
Strong center with good shooting touch. Likes to drift to the perimeter and shoot the 3 with mixed results. Is good finisher in the paint as a roller and cutter. Doesn`t have great back to the basket game. Average athlete, doesn`t have quick feet, but can jump some. Good defender and weakside shot-blocker.
Comparison: Denis Marconato

Aleksandar Vezenkov PF Bulgaria
Big Forward with great shooting touch. He is really terrific shooter, when his feet is set he doesn`t miss much. Can also shoot off the dribble. Doesn`t miss free throws. Solid ballhandler, passer. Too bad that his athleticism is so poor, Vezenkov is really slow and will not be more than spot-up shooter at the senior level. Poor defender.
Comparison: Bigger Adam Morrison

Jakov Mustapic SG/PG Croatia
Athletic combo guard with good athleticism and strong defensive ability. Has been the best perimeter defender at the championship. Very agressive on the ball, quick feet and long arms. Gets into the passing lines. Solid offensive player. Gets to the basket with quick first step. Perimeter shot has improved some, but is still not the weapon. Will need to improve his passing and ballhandling if he is to convert into a Poing Guard.
Comparison: Jamon Gordon

Matteo Imbro PG/SG Italy
Has got a lot bigger and stronger, but lost a lot of quickness in the procces. Is really good outside shooter, either as set shooter or comnig off the pick and roll. Solid passer, but struggles to create shots for others as he has below average quickness. Has posted up a lot and used his strenght backing down opponents. If he continues to grow, he may need to convert to the SG position.
Comparison: Gianluca Basile

Gregor Hrovat SF Slovenia
Tall swingmen with good scoring ability. Has long strides and gets to the basket. Can also shoot from the mid-range. Crashes the glass, especially on the offensive end. Is solid athlete overall, but has tall hips and is really struggling defending at the moment. Gets beaten off the dribble a lot.
Comparison: Sergi Vidal

Denis Krestinin PF Lithuania
Athletic, high energy rebounder. Doesn`t have great size, but compensates with very good athletic ability. Has done a great job on the boards. Poor offensive fundaments, wasn`t able to exploit his advantage in quickness and is not a consistent threat to knockdown perimeter shots. Has funny looking mechanics and will need to work to fix this hitch is his shot.
Comparison: Florent Pietrus

Metecan Birsen SF/PF Turkey

Has been rated by some scouts as 2nd best prospect at the tournament, but while year younger he was really disappointing. Shows the tools to be a good player, but at some point he will need to start producing. Above average athlete and ballhandler for his height, can play the pick and roll and finish with pretty floater from mid-range. Is skinny, lacks upper body strenght. Perimeter shot looks shaky. Versatile, but doesn`t have one go-to-skill. Potential is still there, but the clock is ticking.

Comparison: Tomislav Zubcic

Kotarac
08-20-2012, 03:44 PM
All right,now i see what you are getting at - By the "very same team" i meant under 16 two years ago,and under 18 this year - i never implied they were the same players.
According to Lithuanian commentary , Croatia had 6? new players .but that wasn't my point anyway.
Just let me clarify for the last time -

Lithuania as a team improved so much more during last 2 years.The result is the same,but the game play and the way they had reached final was different.The way they played in the final was different too.

Croatia deserved gold.

Without Saric this particular Croatian team looked to me below average - not a medal contender.

The only part i would reconsider is next year's WC u19 - maybe Croatia were missing more good players than Lithuania in just Dimsa.So this would mean that Croatia still would have more reserves,but that would be just guessing.

I think that is fair comments.

Kotarac
08-20-2012, 03:47 PM
Markoishvili, what do you think of Mavra for Croatia? He play mostly point guard in this tournament even if naturally he is more a SG. He is getting some criticism for his displays in this tournament but before some people had expectations of him being a future PG/SG option at senior level.

Markoishvili
08-20-2012, 05:13 PM
Markoishvili, what do you think of Mavra for Croatia? He play mostly point guard in this tournament even if naturally he is more a SG. He is getting some criticism for his displays in this tournament but before some people had expectations of him being a future PG/SG option at senior level.

He had a poor tournament, i suspect that was because he was playing out of position. While he can shoot the ball and has good passing ability, he doesn`t have neither quickness nor ballhandling prowness to handle PG position full time. I think as a shoulding guard he could be better, both offensively and defensively. However, i don`t think he has high upside. Something along the lines of Fran Pilepic.

Couple of other guys i didn`t mention in earlier post

Tomaz Bolcina C Slovenia

He has one elite skill - mid-range jumper. He was among the best shooters from that range on the championship. That and height will enable him to have a pro career. Otherwise he is underwhelming athletically, and doesn`t do much in the post on offense. Rather poor defender. Comparison: Drago Pasalic.

Alexandre Chassang PF France

Rather interesting guy, very skilled. Can face the basket, shoot the three, pass and play some in the post. He is not particularly tall or athletic, but is strong enough. If he gets bigger, he could be interesting down the road. Comparison: Matt Nielsen.

Luka Andjusic

Has stroke pure as silk. Unfortunately that is all he has at the moment, one trick pony. Average athlete, ok defensively. I guess he was thrive in the pros as a shooting specialist off the bench. Comparison: Kostas Vassiliadis

Elefterios Bochoridis SG/SF Greece

He is tall, athletic and can handle the ball. If he learns how to shoot it, he could be something down the road. Comparison: Milenko Tepic.

Tayfun Erulku SG/PG Turkey

Smart guard with good scoring insticts. His growth has been stunned somewhat. Average athlete, and has really struggled to shoot the ball. Will need to improve his perimeter shooting ability to have a succesfull pro career.

Simone Fontecchio SG/SF Italy

He was year younger than most, still was among the more mature players physically. He is tall and strong swingmen. Had some nice dunks, but you wish his first step was a little quicker. Shoot it well, from three, but stuggled from free-throw line. He can put it on the floor a little and create shots for himself. He has some Aradori in him.

Doko Salic C Serbia

Among the youngest players here, still did very well. He is skilled in the low post and has good touch, even hitting some mid-range jumpers. Solid athlete, needs to get stronger. Upside is high, may be among the best players for next years U18 championship.

Tomislav Gabric PF Croatia

Very emotional Power Forward who has good combination of athletic and shooting ability. Has strong role-player potential. Can really stroke the three-ball, has quick trigger. Will bring energy to the court when he subs in. Needs to improve his basketball IQ and ballhandling ability, so he can take advantage of his quickness. He is sleeper.

Burak Yildizli PF Turkey

Athletic and undersized PF who likes to face the basket and attack from the perimeter. Good quickness and decent ballhandler. Has range out to 3pt line, but needs to improve his accuracy.

Hepcat
08-20-2012, 06:49 PM
Croatia deserved it. Not only Sarič, but whole team. Congrats.

Sarič was simply awesome. Team Lietuva just had no answer for him.

:(

auris1
08-20-2012, 08:27 PM
Brilliant post
Can you just elaborate a little more about Saric?




Dario Saric PF Croatia
He still cannot shoot of the dribble.....
He is special talent that much is clear, with his ability to create shots off the dribble


Lost in the quote
cannot shoot of the dribble.
ability to create shots off the dribble

I am not trying to be pain in your ass,but still ...
Is it really what you meant?If yes,
Do you think he can overcame this?

And i just want your opinion of how do you see him playing in -5-7 years from now?
What do you reckon would be his natural game,at his best?
Surely he can not be doing all them things(nearly everything) he did at youth level.
Thanks for your time

auris1
08-20-2012, 08:47 PM
Sarič was simply awesome. Team Lietuva just had no answer for him.

:(
So this is exactly what Visockas said - there is no one in the team who can defend him.
And i think he said it before the game too)
It looked to me that Saric,if he had to,could had score 50 or more points easily.No problem.
probably we should have handicap rule just for the players like him)
Like,once he scores 20 points,he has to sit the rest of the game)

But then again,what if there was a player able to defend him?
This will happen once he will start playing at professional/adult level,against men who are as much fast as him,taller and maybe more powerful than him,albeit with a less talent.

Markoishvili
08-20-2012, 09:11 PM
Brilliant post
Can you just elaborate a little more about Saric?




Lost in the quote
cannot shoot of the dribble.
ability to create shots off the dribble

I am not trying to be pain in your ass,but still ...
Is it really what you meant?If yes,
Do you think he can overcame this?

And i just want your opinion of how do you see him playing in -5-7 years from now?
What do you reckon would be his natural game,at his best?
Surely he can not be doing all them things(nearly everything) he did at youth level.
Thanks for your time

What i meant is that he can create off the dribble to pass or get all the way to the basket, but he can`t stop and pull-up for dribble jumper from mid-range (like Dirk, Bargnani...). His shooting in general is his biggest weakness. He shoots on the way down, and his footwork while getting ready for shot needs to improve.

Shooting is probably biggest thing for him, if he can become above average shooter he will really be tough to guard. Even at NBA level. He will not score as easily in pro`s around the basket like he did at this tournament. If his shooting remains as it is, it may dismish his potential and career achivements somewhat. I was not very high on him after the season he had at Zagreb, but seeing how he added 15 pounds of muscle in a short time and improved his body, it tells you something about his work ethic. I don`t think he will have career of Dirk or Gasol, but i could see him being long-term starter at NBA level. He will probably be a PF who plays in the high post due to his ability to attack off the dribble and pass the ball. He is tough kid and has one of highest basketball IQs i have seen at his age. Winning combination.

Straight forward
08-20-2012, 09:26 PM
What i meant is that he can create off the dribble to pass or get all the way to the basket, but he can`t stop and pull-up for dribble jumper from mid-range (like Dirk, Bargnani...). His shooting in general is his biggest weakness. He shoots on the way down, and his footwork while getting ready for shot needs to improve.

Shooting is probably biggest thing for him, if he can become above average shooter he will really be tough to guard. Even at NBA level. He will not score as easily in pro`s around the basket like he did at this tournament. If his shooting remains as it is, it may dismish his potential and career achivements somewhat. I was not very high on him after the season he had at Zagreb, but seeing how he added 15 pounds of muscle in a short time and improved his body, it tells you something about his work ethic. I don`t think he will have career of Dirk or Gasol, but i could see him being long-term starter at NBA level. He will probably be a PF who plays in the high post due to his ability to attack off the dribble and pass the ball. He is tough kid and has one of highest basketball IQs i have seen at his age. Winning combination.

Nice reflection. I'm not in love with Sarič shooting mechanics. Ineresting that draftExpress projets him as 21 pick in 2013 draft and NBADraft.net as 15. That's suprisingly low. In youth level he had no worth mentioning defender. He simply outpowered his opponents - he's big, strong and fast. His perimeter game didn't impressed me. So it's a good question what is his go to skill, move in the senior level (particularly NBA. Let's be honest, sooner or later he'll be there).

And I also would like to know your opinion on Grigonis senior future? Do you see him playing as a point guard for Lithuanian NT?

pohani komarac
08-20-2012, 09:41 PM
Nice reflection. I'm not in love with Sarič shooting mechanics. Ineresting that draftExpress projets him as 21 pick in 2013 draft and NBADraft.net as 15. That's suprisingly low. In youth level he had no worth mentioning defender. He simply outpowered his opponents - he's big, strong and fast. His perimeter game didn't impressed me. So it's a good question what is his go to skill, move in the senior level (particularly NBA. Let's be honest, sooner or later he'll be there).

And I also would like to know your opinion on Grigonis senior future? Do you see him playing as a point guard for Lithuanian NT?

they had him top 10 after nike hoop summit, then after bad NIJT he felt down

imo after nightmare season (there were lot of problems for him cosed by his idiotic father and club bad developmet plan) he showed mental toughnes and work ethic when hi finally got chance to work individually and dramaticlly ipruved his game in almost evrey aspect. especially playing off ball and body

Markoishvili
08-20-2012, 09:45 PM
Nice reflection. I'm not in love with Sarič shooting mechanics. Ineresting that draftExpress projets him as 21 pick in 2013 draft and NBADraft.net as 15. That's suprisingly low. In youth level he had no worth mentioning defender. He simply outpowered his opponents - he's big, strong and fast. His perimeter game didn't impressed me. So it's a good question what is his go to skill, move in the senior level (particularly NBA. Let's be honest, sooner or later he'll be there).

And I also would like to know your opinion on Grigonis senior future? Do you see him playing as a point guard for Lithuanian NT?

While its not completely out of question, i don`t think he will end up being full-time PG, maybe he can handle position occasionaly. But he is already 198cm and may grow even more. There are only few successfull examples of tall Euro PGs (Papaloukas, Planinic), while many have failed. I think he can be a go-to-scorer for Lithuania NT down the road, even bring a lot of things that Siskauskas did in his prime, if he develops well. I have watched all Lithuania youth teams this summer, and its funny how PG is always position of weakness. They usually sport small PG with questionable outside shot (Zupkauskas, Jurgutis, Lekavičius). I think Serkevičius could be good if he converts to PG full time, while Cizauskas has improved great deal, altrough he may be a step slow.

auris1
08-20-2012, 10:22 PM
I have watched all Lithuania youth teams this summer
i am big fan of reddit.com
they have this thing like AMA -ask me a question ,i assume.
Would you be willing to do it here?
There is a lot of questions i would like to ask you,probably many more people too.
Good thing you would not have to answer them all)

Dreamcatcher
08-20-2012, 10:28 PM
While its not completely out of question, i don`t think he will end up being full-time PG, maybe he can handle position occasionaly. But he is already 198cm and may grow even more. There are only few successfull examples of tall Euro PGs (Papaloukas, Planinic), while many have failed. I think he can be a go-to-scorer for Lithuania NT down the road, even bring a lot of things that Siskauskas did in his prime, if he develops well. I have watched all Lithuania youth teams this summer, and its funny how PG is always position of weakness. They usually sport small PG with questionable outside shot (Zupkauskas, Jurgutis, Lekavičius). I think Serkevičius could be good if he converts to PG full time, while Cizauskas has improved great deal, altrough he may be a step slow.
Actually i usually don't like our pg-s, but i think we have had a decent one in every youth team this summer.

Teams with bad results (u16, u17). Zupkauskas - yes, poor outside shot (but it's important, that ft is decent), but good skills to assist - 7 assists per game, isn't it great? And it could be even better, if some teammates could do better. Serkevicius - his team was chaotic and it seems "no coaching", but i could see some nice skills from him. 15 points per game.

Team with good results. Cizauskas - well, individually strong player (nothing new here), i have some doubts about him in senior level (he's physically stronger than other pg-s from his year, and he will miss this argument in senior level). But i think he should have been MVP of u20 this summer instead of Westerman, who failed in the final. Don't you think so? He also had better statistics and won the gold with his team. Lekavicius - small, but very quick, decent defender, has his own quite original shot while driving to the basket.

P.S. I would also add Pankrashov to tall pg-s list. He is successfull in NT. But i don't think Grigonis would make this list. But it's all bout future now. Too bad i don't see current Zalgiris system to be a good place for promising talents.

Markoishvili
08-20-2012, 10:36 PM
Actually i usually don't like our pg-s, but i think we have had a decent one in every youth team this summer.

Teams with bad results (u16, u17). Zupkauskas - yes, poor outside shot (but it's important, that ft is decent), but good skills to assist - 7 assists per game, isn't it great? And it could be even better, if some teammates could do better. Serkevicius - his team was chaotic and it seems "no coaching", but i could see some nice skills from him. 15 points per game.

Team with good results. Cizauskas - well, individually strong player (nothing new here), i have some doubts about him in senior level (he's physically stronger than other pg-s from his year, and he will miss this argument in senior level). But i think he should have been MVP of u20 this summer instead of Westerman, who failed in the final. Don't you think so? He also had better statistics and won the gold with his team. Lekavicius - small, but very quick, decent defender, has his own quite original shot while driving to the basket.

P.S. I would also add Pankrashov to tall pg-s list. He is successfull in NT. But i don't think Grigonis would make this list. But it's all bout future now. Too bad i don't see current Zalgiris system to be a good place for promising talents.

I agree that giving Westermann the MVP was a travesty. I would have give it to Ulanovas, Cizauskas or Daniel Diez.

All of those PGs are solid, but i don`t think any of them is great talent like you have in other positions with Valanciunas, Ulanovas, Tamulis Grigonis and Domantas Sabonis. So with Jasikevicius retiring, PG may be position of weakness as Kalnietis will never be a natural playmaker.

Markoishvili
08-20-2012, 10:38 PM
i am big fan of reddit.com
they have this thing like AMA -ask me a question ,i assume.
Would you be willing to do it here?
There is a lot of questions i would like to ask you,probably many more people too.
Good thing you would not have to answer them all)

Maybe some other time, i go on vacation tommorow and will be away from computer for some time. Thanks anyway.

auris1
08-20-2012, 10:47 PM
Well,at least answer me this -
how come we have this huge gap in LT national team?
With Pocius being 26 and Valanciunas as 19 ,there is nothing in between.
What is the line of overstaying your time with NT and introducing youngsters?
Spain at least looks healthy talent wise,but Argentina ,well,is doomed for abolition.
And then again,Serbia,with all this talent and success at youth level.
That is something i can not understand.

Straight forward
08-20-2012, 10:56 PM
Thanks Markoishvili, fun to read. I agree with most of what you said. No matter his future height, I think Grigonis could bring something that current Lithuanian NT is lacking. Good place to mention Šiškauskas.


Actually i usually don't like our pg-s, but i think we have had a decent one in every youth team this summer.

Teams with bad results (u16, u17). Zupkauskas - yes, poor outside shot (but it's important, that ft is decent), but good skills to assist - 7 assists per game, isn't it great? And it could be even better, if some teammates could do better. Serkevicius - his team was chaotic and it seems "no coaching", but i could see some nice skills from him. 15 points per game.

Team with good results. Cizauskas - well, individually strong player (nothing new here), i have some doubts about him in senior level (he's physically stronger than other pg-s from his year, and he will miss this argument in senior level). But i think he should have been MVP of u20 this summer instead of Westerman, who failed in the final. Don't you think so? He also had better statistics and won the gold with his team. Lekavicius - small, but very quick, decent defender, has his own quite original shot while driving to the basket.

P.S. I would also add Pankrashov to tall pg-s list. He is successfull in NT. But i don't think Grigonis would make this list. But it's all bout future now. Too bad i don't see current Zalgiris system to be a good place for promising talents.

The problem is that decent players (I wouldn't be so sure about this definition in this case) doesn't find trasition to senior NT. Even a player that really stood out in U level - Žygimantas Janavičius - can't get it to go in higher level. Hopefully, we have something in Čižauskas. However the record of Alijevas, Prekevičius, Janavičius, Vasiliauskas, Pečiukevičius doesn't favour Lithuanian side.

However, I'm more optimistic about Lithuanian NT 1 spot after this summer. Particularly about Juškevičius, Čižauskas and Grigonis as an options (unnecessary full-time options). The worse thing is that all belong to Žalgiris.

Dreamcatcher
08-20-2012, 10:56 PM
I agree that giving Westermann the MVP was a travesty. I would have give it to Ulanovas, Cizauskas or Daniel Diez.

All of those PGs are solid, but i don`t think any of them is great talent like you have in other positions with Valanciunas, Ulanovas, Tamulis Grigonis and Domantas Sabonis. So with Jasikevicius retiring, PG may be position of weakness as Kalnietis will never be a natural playmaker.

Yes, you have a point here.

As about Domantas Sabonis, yes, he seems to be a good talent, but i could see some big minuses in his game. First of all, he's not athletic. So he should grow to at least 210 to play succesfully in senior level. Then his really poor ft shooting. I would never think that Sabonis son would do it so poorly. He should go to Serbia or Montenegro, where he could hire some coaches who can teach him to do it in a proper way. There lots of serbian centers, who are not impressive at all, seems to be really poor players, but can shoot from ft line really good. Marjanovic, Besovic...And yes, he grabbed a lot of rebounds, but i could see he holded the ball poorly in his hands - opponents knocked the ball out of his hands, he didn't catch some decent assists.

I do understund i'm talking about 16 y. old kid. He showed some nice post moves for his age. Having in mind his father and the fact Unicaja has some hopes in him (he's already training with the first team) i do think he can grow into a big player.

Straight forward
08-20-2012, 11:01 PM
Well,at least answer me this -
how come we have this huge gap in LT national team?
With Pocius being 26 and Valanciunas as 19 ,there is nothing in between.
What is the line of overstaying your time with NT and introducing youngsters?
Spain at least looks healthy talent wise,but Argentina ,well,is doomed for abolition.
And then again,Serbia,with all this talent and success at youth level.
That is something i can not understand.

My friend, auris1, are you drunk again? :) No seriously - you can miss whatever you like, but you can't just call freakin' Motiejūnas "nothing". Or Gecevičius who was 18-20 ppg player in Youth level. Juškevičius, M. Kuzminskas. All these are borderline NT players and Motiejūnas could rock the stage (or at least to be legit NT member) already this summer (Gecevičius as well). So disagree here.

auris1
08-20-2012, 11:13 PM
My friend, auris1, are you drunk again? :) No seriously - you can miss whatever you like, but you can't just call freakin' Motiejūnas "nothing". Or Gecevičius who was 18-20 ppg player in Youth level. Juškevičius, M. Kuzminskas. All these are borderline NT players and Motiejūnas could rock the stage (or at least to be legit NT member) already this summer (Gecevičius as well). So disagree here.
My dear friend ,i just stated the facts.
This year,2012 ,we had this.
7 year gap - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120102/ ,even him would recognise the signification
So i might all be true - they all go to Tibet and do fuck all basketball wise,our youngsters.

Straight forward
08-20-2012, 11:25 PM
My dear friend ,i just stated the facts.
This year,2012 ,we had this.
7 year gap - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120102/ ,even him would recognise the signification
So i might all be true - they all go to Tibet and do fuck all basketball wise,our youngsters.

These reactionary facts doesn't mean we have nothing. I'm afraid you have to call Kemzura instead of asking Markoishvili :)

Khalid80
08-21-2012, 07:31 PM
just for sample

one of best u-18 junior scorers in croatia ozren pavlovic who actally plays for one of best u-18 teams in croatia


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiQUmAdN7BU

He really reminds of Toni Kukoc with they way he moves, dribbles, shoots... I don't know if you guys feel the same.

pohani komarac
08-21-2012, 08:03 PM
he is not close to kukoc and could not win games, but for sure is better then guys like crnjevic, proleta and company. he could help in rotation for sure

Kotarac
08-28-2012, 01:33 PM
Šarić interview in Croatian media translated from Croatian.


First impressions with the senior national team...

-I don't want to look for excuses, tiredness or something else. I'm happy to be here, it will mean a lot to me in my career. Fatigue and injury is forgotten in this kind of atmosphere, when you're playing with great players. The coach told me I will get minutes but I don't expect anything special. It's just important that I'm here.

It looks like your career has taken a normal path, you haven't missed any stepping stones...

-I think that's excellent because missing those stepping stones doesn't bring you anything good. I stagnated last season when I should have played in the ABA but I didn't get adequate minutes, or at least the minutes I wanted or felt I should get. This season I can't afford to stagnate if I want to make a career out of basketball.

How hard has it been, all these years, to be playing lower competitions in the knowledge that you belong at a higher level?

-That's probably how it looks but for me every game has been and will always be about proving myself. It doesn't matter if it's U16, U18, A2 or regional league level. It helps me that my parents were basketball players because I've got their genes - the desire, passion, will to win. In terms of my characteristics as a player I'm somewhat unique.

When the national team program finishes you will have to find a club. Are you burdened by this situation?

-I only think about the here and now. The rest we'll see. We're waiting for the tribunal to settle the Zagreb case and I'm not allowing myself to feel any pressure associated with that process. I'm currently enjoying the best days of my career and I don't want to make the wrong move.

At 18 that can't be easy to cope with...

-It's hard, but I think I'm mentally strong and I've learned to cope with certain things in life that the majority of people my age don't even have to worry about. That's the path we've chosen, or that has been imposed on us. It's a part of my job and that's how I look at it. On the court I have a clear head.

Do you understand the decision by those clubs who have refused to take you on a one-year loan?

-I can and I can't. On the one hand I understand that it's difficult for a club to develop a player for a year if a potential outcome of that is poor results. Just like one day I want to play for Real, Barcelona or in the NBA, coaches have dreams, too. I just value honesty. On the other hand, it's hard to accept that someone doesn't want a player - and I hope this doesn't come across as me praising myself - who has high achievements, talent, results and success. If I was a coach I'd love to have a talented player and to be a part of his development.

Do you think that over the last three years, since you left Šibenik, you've made some mistakes?

-I was just thinking about that. At the time I had to do it because there was no (Šibenik) team in the A-1. Zagreb was the logical choice, especially because of the fact the club produced top talents like Ante Tomić, Marko Tomas, Josip Sesar, Mario Stojić... The program they offered us was top notch and we thought it was the right decision. Today I don't want to blame anyone, maybe I also made some mistakes, maybe the club also, the coach. I want to turn over a new leaf and think only about the future.

How many hours a day do you train? Dražen trained a lot...

-I'm working on my strength and conditioning. Before and after training I work on my shooting. I don't work as much as Dražen but I think I do enough. Daily I do about 6-7 hours.

Dario Šarić in a month's time...

I don't know where I'll be playing. However, it's clear that it will be talked about a lot.