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Dreamcatcher
07-07-2012, 02:34 PM
After Lithuania - Puerto Rico game lithuanian commentator who also works as NT press officer said: "On behalf of fans and those who fight i want to say to the organizers: fuck yourself with your crashed buses and fuck yourself with all your conspiracy theories".

It started (true start took place when FIBA World had given the torunament to this country though) when Lithuanian coach called a time out before few seconds were left to play. Venezuelan coach began to act like real moron and continued his idiotic behavior at the press conference. The moron didn't know points could be crucial as later Lithuania - Nigeria game proved that fact.

After group stage Venezuela began to act like real looser (i don't mean ordinary people, but organizers and those who decide) making Lithuanian team stay there worse.

"Mysterious bus crash before the game, training interuptions with the smoke of tanks, problems with DVD players for analyzing games, strange limitations for pre-game shootout training, and biggest disrespect by booing our national anthem on July 6th", as was well noticed by one guy.

Booing the national anthem!!! How to call it? I guess shame is a right word here.

I just wish we had won the third Latin team and get out of there and never won't be forced to participate in shit like this again.

Filas
07-07-2012, 02:47 PM
I have similar feelings about organizers of the tournament, and now we may even guess that tanks which stopped lithuanian practise a day before the Venesuela-Lithuania game were also a part of their plan.

But I still can't stop laughing when reading some of your phrases as "Venezuelan coach began to act like real mormon". I guess you should learn the difference between "moron" and "mormon", as it sounds really funny.

Lietuvis
07-07-2012, 02:55 PM
For those that dont know (assuming most) July 6 is a special day for Lithuania which is celebrated each year. The National anthem was also sung around the world on this day by Lithuanians this year.

In the 1230s the Lithuanian lands were united by Mindaugas, who was crowned as King of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the first Lithuanian state, on 6 July 1253, and therefore we celebrate this in honour of our King.

Now what was done by the fans in Venezuela was purile and disgusting...

J-Mart
07-07-2012, 02:56 PM
I actually applaud them, I would have poisoned ur teams food :p

Dreamcatcher
07-07-2012, 03:02 PM
I must add that referees weren't affected by it, because their calls weren't against Lithuania. Yes, refereeing wasn't good at all, but it wasn't one-sided.

Shawshank
07-07-2012, 03:35 PM
I actually applaud them, I would have poisoned ur teams food :p

I just wish if lithuania tonigh will eliminate 3rd american team,venezualians wont begun to shoot at our players...because in this crazy land you dont know what to uspect...I think they can even try and you suggestion with poisoning food ...All our players now wishes is to finish job done tonight and go home from here and never comeback...In 20years on competition in many championship and many difereent countrys we never played in such place like this...

JGX
07-07-2012, 04:01 PM
Never would have pegged the Lithuanians as being this soft.

interxavierxxx
07-07-2012, 04:09 PM
Never would have pegged the Lithuanians as being this soft.

I think the Lithuanians are just being professional as much as they can because the hosts are acting the opposite way.

MZT Skopje
07-07-2012, 04:10 PM
Basketball in general is a joke sport. Refs like in no other sport. 80/20 calls from the refs on olympic Q match. Loool.

Mindozas
07-07-2012, 04:21 PM
Never would have pegged the Lithuanians as being this soft.

I'm also surprised. Pussies. I also always thought that bums are not lowlifes, but hard, tough guys, who doesn't cry and faces life like it is - a real example of courage, masculinity. I'm sure you with me on this

Straight forward
07-07-2012, 04:34 PM
Never would have pegged the Lithuanians as being this soft.

Players, national team staff or fans? NT players are just fine :) - look at 23:20:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMF3rurOXAE

Illegal2k10
07-07-2012, 07:35 PM
Never would have pegged the Lithuanians as being this soft.

How the hell saying that Venezuela is full of crap and people who lives where have no class is soft?


I actually applaud them, I would have poisoned ur teams food :p

Thats why any of latin countries shouldnt be given held any major tournament. With the exception of Argentina and Brasil:P

MZT Skopje
07-07-2012, 07:59 PM
I did read that on some other forum. Sorry. Lets drop that.

Noon the less someone did steal our olympic spot last night.

J-Mart
07-08-2012, 12:05 AM
So you guys screw the home country and expect to be treated like nothin happened??

The least that the venezuela govermemt should do is to cut running water from ur team hotel room. U dint want to come back to latinamerica? Dont do it, if it was to us we would not go to europe but since FIBA always award europeans the top tournaments we dont have no choice. Yall lucky u never play on this side of the world.

Illegal2k10
07-08-2012, 12:40 AM
So you guys screw the home country and expect to be treated like nothin happened??

The least that the venezuela govermemt should do is to cut running water from ur team hotel room. U dint want to come back to latinamerica? Dont do it, if it was to us we would not go to europe but since FIBA always award europeans the top tournaments we dont have no choice. Yall lucky u never play on this side of the world.
And how we screwed them? They could have won against Nigeria by 18 points and be safe. Not to mention Lithuania and Nigeria were the best teams in that group. Last second time-out? They decided to play till the end, tho they could run the clock down and we played, thats quite normal in this kind of tournament with only two games in a group.
No wonder FIBA awards Europe with various tournaments as organization here is top level, not some shit-like as we see in Venezuela. Im not against watching LTU NT playing in this side of he world, but with fans who at least have average education and organizacion which knows how to treat they guests.

The least that the venezuela govermemt should do is to cut running water from ur team hotel room
This only shows how limited your thinking is. lack of education i guess. The only thing Venezuela government should be worried about is how to organise top level tournament.

Darknemo2000
07-08-2012, 12:51 AM
So you guys screw the home country and expect to be treated like nothin happened??

The least that the venezuela govermemt should do is to cut running water from ur team hotel room. U dint want to come back to latinamerica? Dont do it, if it was to us we would not go to europe but since FIBA always award europeans the top tournaments we dont have no choice. Yall lucky u never play on this side of the world.

Dont you think that Euros get awarded hosting tournaments more oftenly because they prepare them with quality something that cannot be said about Venezuella like countries.

JBlaze1
07-08-2012, 11:05 PM
So, you really think they brought the tanks out to disrupt Lithuanian NT's training? :rolleyes:

JGX
07-09-2012, 12:19 AM
http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/news/p/nid/52759/article.html


Off the court, Phoenix Suns international scout Kornell David couldn’t find fault with how the tournament in the newly-constructed Poliedro de Caracas has been run.

“I think it’s a brilliantly organised event, and that surprised me because it’s not a common thing to bring such a tournament down here to Venezuela,” he said.

Russia coach David Blatt agreed after two straight nights with 7000-plus crowds despite the home team not participating in the knockout rounds.

“Everybody who was here will go home and say good things about Venezuela,” he said.

FIBA President Yvan Mainini said: “I have seen a lot of organisation of basketball events in my life, something like 50 years in basketball and next year it is 14 years in FIBA.

“To make things clear there was good organisation at this event, but there are some things I can say were not only just good, but excellent.”

Mindozas
07-09-2012, 12:47 AM
http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/news/p/nid/52759/article.html

2 very polite guys and Mainini

Dtown
07-09-2012, 12:51 AM
If nothing else I'll give props to Venezuela for the attendance. I thought we'd see nothing but empty gyms after the home team went out.

Olympiacos
07-09-2012, 01:10 AM
http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/news/p/nid/52759/article.html

Off the court, Phoenix Suns international scout Kornell David couldn’t find fault with how the tournament in the newly-constructed Poliedro de Caracas has been run.

“I think it’s a brilliantly organised event, and that surprised me because it’s not a common thing to bring such a tournament down here to Venezuela,” he said.

Russia coach David Blatt agreed after two straight nights with 7000-plus crowds despite the home team not participating in the knockout rounds.

“Everybody who was here will go home and say good things about Venezuela,” he said.

FIBA President Yvan Mainini said: “I have seen a lot of organisation of basketball events in my life, something like 50 years in basketball and next year it is 14 years in FIBA.

“To make things clear there was good organisation at this event, but there are some things I can say were not only just good, but excellent.”



http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://izvestia.ru/news/529321&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://izvestia.ru/news/529321%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D833%26prmd%3 Dimvns&sa=X&ei=Gi_6T5CDH4--2AXf04X1Bg&sqi=2&ved=0CE8Q7gEwAA

Interviewer: - Organizational lining - the problem with the light, cleaning the floor on the basketball court, you have experienced in training before the game with Korea, are not repeated?

Andrei Kirilenko: - In South America, always hard for the organization of the competition. Simply, we are accustomed to the same level, but here it is a bit does not correspond to European standards.

Hepcat
07-09-2012, 02:20 AM
So, you really think they brought the tanks out to disrupt Lithuanian NT's training? :rolleyes:

What were tanks doing in the streets of Caracas anyway? Ice cream kiosks are something I expect on the streets of a major city, but tanks, no never.

:rolleyes:

JGX
07-09-2012, 02:31 AM
What were tanks doing in the streets of Caracas anyway? Ice cream kiosks are something I expect on the streets of a major city, but tanks, no never.


http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_07_06/Venezuela-military-parade/

Gytaz
07-09-2012, 09:42 AM
Just so you see that Lithuanians were not the only ones unhappy with the hosts.



Russia point guard Alexey Shved on Tuesday slammed the choice of Venezuela as host venue for the Olympic basketball qualification tournament, saying the players are cooped up in their hotel because of the high crime rate.

Three Olympic places are on offer qualifying tournament in the Venezuelan capital Caracas, which contains 12 teams and runs through Sunday.

The military have been called in to protect players, as Caracas has one of the highest murder rates of any city in the world, fueled by criminal gangs and widespread gun ownership.

“We can’t go out of the hotel here, we’re not allowed,” Shved said when asked about the country’s crime rate.

“Everything’s unrealistically expensive, boring.”

Caracas beat a rival bid from Lithuania to host the tournament, but Shved said international basketball bosses at FIBA made the wrong decision.

“It would actually be really good if the qualification was in Lithuania,” he said.


http://en.rian.ru/sports/20120703/174375948.html

J-Mart
07-09-2012, 12:29 PM
if god was a troll, he would force the lithuanian plane out of venezuela to an emergency landing, just to annoy you all.

MZT Skopje
07-09-2012, 12:45 PM
Greece just plainly FAILED. They lost to Nigeria. If you can't beat Nigeria in an elimination game, you don't deserve to go to the Olympics. Greece has a team that should never have allowed it to be a close game. Don't always blame the others, you should better start looking how you can improve to be among the best teams again in the future.

Same with Macedonia, if you have such a high lead you have to play smarter. They just took bad shots, made bad decisions and (as in Eurobasket) had problems ith their physical condition due to their short rotation. McCalebb was done mid third half and could only walk as he didn't get any rest.

Yes very true that we did not rotate as we should I mean you can not keep 212 CL Nikolovski from the court 40 min. + Darko Sokolov playd 24 min per game in Poland 2009, 9 min per game in Lithuania and 0 min in Venezuela. Just do not understand that. And even damjan Stojanovsko got less time than in Lithuania.

At 20 points up and still not resting Ilievski and Makaleb is a huge mistake.

So we can not blame reffs fore the poor attack.

But reffs did absolutely destory our defence with so many noon existing fauls. Antic, Samardzitski, Cekovski with out these we have no defence and even Gibraltar will win.

Lets not forgett that main factor to our succes in Lithuania wos oure defence (best defence in europe) with out that defence we aint the same team.

Finaly after 2 poor matches with littel will our defence started to showe the class from Lithuania eye of the tiger yet again. But reffs destroyd our defence.

With Antic (18 min) and and Cekovski (19 min) ont he court 26 min we won the duel with 16 points.

macleopard13
07-10-2012, 02:53 AM
I found this article written in Lithuanian (http://www.krepsinis.net/olimpiada/venesuela-isitikinusi-ju-rinktine-sudegino-nigerijos-lietuvos-ir-graikijos-samokslo-aukuras/204700). Enjoy :D!

Venezuela is certain that Nigeria, Lithuania and Greece conspired against them

Nigerian basketball players did everything they could to withhold the rumors that Lithuania lost to Nigeria on purpose in order to eliminate the hosts. And, by successfully participating in this tournament, Nigeria proved the fact that they can play in the Olympics for the first time in history. However, Venezuela has indirect evidence that Lithuania and Nigeria conspired against the hosts.

This week, Venezuelan basketball representatives protested to FIBA, claiming that the two teams conspired to eliminate Venezuela from the tournament.

They also claimed that the Lithuanians purposefully didn't play aggressively, that the team lacked manliness and heart. Lithuanians, losing to Nigerians, plotted a revenge against Venezuela, which was justly angry at the Lithuanian coaches, which took a timeout with 4.5 seconds left of the game in order to humiliate its opponent.

The Venezuelans stated that the Lithuanians shameless avenged themselves because Venezuela, not Lithuania, won the right to hold the tournament. This country's main competitor in this tournament, according to Venezuelans, was Lithuania.

Also, the day before Lithuania's match against Nigeria, Venezuelan fans filmed the Lithuanian head coach Kestutis Kemzura talking with the Greek head coach Illias Zouros.

This clip was repeated over and over on various local TV channels - it is widely believed that Lithuania and Greece decided the fate of Venezuela and left everything up to Nigeria. "How is it possible that a month old Nigerian team could easily beat a powerful team like Lithuania? And what's so special about Nigeria, anyways?" asked ESPN.

"I don't know who says what. We proved that all those talks are bullsh*t. No one handed to us an opportunity. We believed in ourselves and the Nigerian fans believed in us," said the Nigerian team captain Olumide Oyedeji.

Later, he added, "we beat the world's fifth best team. So what? Someday, we'll beat the world's fourth best team. Don't think that we're nothing - after all, we once beat Yugoslavia."

When will this conspiracy theory be forgotten? Time will tell. All we can do is hope that the two teams that turned the world upside down - Nigeria and Venezuela - will soon forget to mention it.

Darknemo2000
07-10-2012, 06:16 AM
I can understand why they would say Nigeria and Litrhuania. After all lithuanians did not play all out in that game and played knowing the difference they can loose which is always a wrong approach to a game.

BUT, why the hell Greece?

According to them Greece willingly gave away the Olympic spot to nigeria just like that? Are venezuellians such (insert appropriate word) to actually believe that?

Mindozas
07-10-2012, 08:14 AM
I can understand why they would say Nigeria and Litrhuania. After all lithuanians did not play all out in that game and played knowing the difference they can loose which is always a wrong approach to a game.

BUT, why the hell Greece?

According to them Greece willingly gave away the Olympic spot to nigeria just like that? Are venezuellians such (insert appropriate word) to actually believe that?

Why? Cause I guess they thought that for Greece it would be easier to play against Nigeria than hosts. I suppose local media was rating own team as huge threat, so Greece chose the easier opponent this way :rolleyes:

Shawshank
07-10-2012, 09:42 AM
Those venezualians are just biggest loosers i have seen in long long time.They are searching for some kind conspiracy theories just to able to explain why they team didnt qualified for Olimpics.If you believe them what are they saying,so not only lithuania lost on purpose to nigeria,greece did that and dominic respublic did that too...Final standings shown that venezualians got the strongest group but still they cant get the fact that their team was weakest in that group...Its was everybodys fault that venezualians team didnt qualife except their own...

They saw zouros talking to kemzura and that means they are making plans how to eliminate venezuala??? :D my god what a fantasy...Yeah two elite team in basketball are afraid of team like venezuala...and that conversation was day after lithuanian beat venezualia easily 100-82...

Yeah it looks logical Lithuania,greece and nigeria fixed games just to eliminate the basketball power - venezuala :D my god they found out that what we gona do now ? :)))

I believe FIBA should disqualife Lithuania,Nigeria and Greece from fiba competions atleast for 5 years.And let venezuala and korea play in 2012 olimpics instead of liths and nigeria...

Straight forward
07-10-2012, 02:22 PM
No words...
Maybe Lithuania also somehow faked the victory against Venezuela...
Poor ordinary people of Venezuela (sincerely).

Darknemo2000
07-10-2012, 04:26 PM
Why? Cause I guess they thought that for Greece it would be easier to play against Nigeria than hosts. I suppose local media was rating own team as huge threat, so Greece chose the easier opponent this way :rolleyes:

But why they lost to Nigeria?

Greece is our neighbor in ratings so if they lost and they cannot have intended to loose then Nigeria isnt a weak team. And thus Lithuania loosing to them is understandable more so because lithuania did not need to win to begin with.

Mindozas
07-10-2012, 04:39 PM
But why they lost to Nigeria?

Greece is our neighbor in ratings so if they lost and they cannot have intended to loose then Nigeria isnt a weak team. And thus Lithuania loosing to them is understandable more so because lithuania did not need to win to begin with.

It was about groups stage, not play-offs

Darknemo2000
07-10-2012, 04:59 PM
Yes but the play-off's indicate that Nigeria is a strong team meaning that one doesnt have to give up to loose to them, otherwise Greece and DR would have won, and since they did not that means that Nigeria is strong team, meaning that all these talks about Lithuania giving up on purpose are retarded.

It would work only if Greece would have swept Nigeria by 20+ but they lost.

Mindozas
07-10-2012, 05:11 PM
Yes but the play-off's indicate that Nigeria is a strong team meaning that one doesnt have to give up to loose to them, otherwise Greece and DR would have won, and since they did not that means that Nigeria is strong team, meaning that all these talks about Lithuania giving up on purpose are retarded.

It would work only if Greece would have swept Nigeria by 20+ but they lost.

Tell it to Venezuelian federation/press

macleopard13
07-11-2012, 12:58 PM
Yes but the play-off's indicate that Nigeria is a strong team meaning that one doesnt have to give up to loose to them, otherwise Greece and DR would have won, and since they did not that means that Nigeria is strong team, meaning that all these talks about Lithuania giving up on purpose are retarded.

It would work only if Greece would have swept Nigeria by 20+ but they lost.

Well, actually, I remember that in that game, we didn't go all out at them. Should've we? We were saving energy for the quarterfinals - it's better to lose one relatively unimportant game and then have a lot of energy and motivation for the upcoming important games than to win all the group games and then lose in the quarterfinals because of fatigue - and besides, we could afford to lose that game by a few points and still be in first place.

I agree - we didn't give up on purpose, but we didn't need to play our best. And Venezuelans think that the stronger team has to help out the weaker team. That's not how basketball works. Teams act according to what's best for them, not what's best for the opponents.

Regarding Nigeria, yes, they're a strong team, but they're doable, in my opinion. Just have to have more determination, more concentration and more patience with them.

MZT Skopje
07-12-2012, 09:37 AM
Biggest scandal evers seen ????? what wos really going on ever there.


Lazovski: On the left basket, all gave less points

Macedonian coach emphasized that one of the two baskets in the hall in Caracas was a "strange construction" and have created many problems of basketball players of all teams.

*"The left wall, where they kicked the" home "selection, construction and had a strange strange tilt, so all teams were making fewer baskets on it. React to all teams, but organizers only lifted shoulders, explaining that each selection will play one half of that and a normal chest on the right side "- said Lazovski.

Mojado
07-12-2012, 10:09 AM
Biggest scandal evers seen ????? what wos really going on ever there.


Lazovski: On the left basket, all gave less points

Macedonian coach emphasized that one of the two baskets in the hall in Caracas was a "strange construction" and have created many problems of basketball players of all teams.

*"The left wall, where they kicked the" home "selection, construction and had a strange strange tilt, so all teams were making fewer baskets on it. React to all teams, but organizers only lifted shoulders, explaining that each selection will play one half of that and a normal chest on the right side "- said Lazovski.

I also heard because there were no cheerleaders allowed by the Venezuelan government, the players of certain countries felt not motivated to play to the fullest, since there was no girl to impress next to the court.

Shawshank
07-12-2012, 12:07 PM
Biggest scandal evers seen ????? what wos really going on ever there.


Lazovski: On the left basket, all gave less points

Macedonian coach emphasized that one of the two baskets in the hall in Caracas was a "strange construction" and have created many problems of basketball players of all teams.

*"The left wall, where they kicked the" home "selection, construction and had a strange strange tilt, so all teams were making fewer baskets on it. React to all teams, but organizers only lifted shoulders, explaining that each selection will play one half of that and a normal chest on the right side "- said Lazovski.

Your coach easily could be venezualuans coach.He sees same conspiracy as venezualians when they loose.I think that lazovski should phone to venezualia federation and talk about possibility to coach venezualia for next olimpic circle.I see they have many in common,they see same aporoach to game and same style : finding excuses and not admiting that their were those who didnt make it work...

Atleast he understand that all teams shoot 20min to normal basket and 20min to the "broke one"? Everybody had same chances,the team that got most of the broken basket was the winner :D Now i understand why russia was unbeatable,blatt was smart,when they were attacking the broken basket all of their game was with kaun and slam dunks..smart blatt i have to admit this :D

Hepcat
07-12-2012, 06:54 PM
I also heard because there were no cheerleaders allowed by the Venezuelan government, the players of certain countries felt not motivated to play to the fullest, since there was no girl to impress next to the court.

Therefore the teams with the comeliest cheerleaders were at the biggest disadvantage. Makes sense to me.

;)