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MZT Skopje
07-05-2012, 08:44 AM
Let's hear what you think. Discuss.

fasoulaki
07-05-2012, 08:51 AM
Dominican Republic is an athletic team with a lot of potential. However DR is missing some height and they play a little bit chaotic. I do not know if the diaspora collected money to bribe Angola :D but as the situation is now I think F.Y.R of Macedonia will win the quarter final.

MZT Skopje
07-05-2012, 09:17 AM
I think that F.Y.R of Macedonia did show great defence during the first 10 min against New Zeland. And after that not more than necessary until the last 7-8 minutes. Importent is that we show 10 minutes that we can play defence like 2011 if we want to which was not the case against Angola. If we playd defence against Angola they lose by 20 points.

From now and on I hope to see insperation in defence 40 min.

Mojado
07-05-2012, 09:18 AM
FYROM needs to pressure Coronado (turnover-rpone) and let DR shoot the threes. Keep them out of the zone and force Martinez to shoot from the distance. Foul him - Not a good FT shooter.
DR is terrible on defense. Problem of FYROM is, that players arent that fast. I was suprised to see Cekovski and Gecevski being that fat. Bo needs to speed up the game if he has the hands on the ball. Same goes for Ilievski.

MZT Skopje
07-05-2012, 09:35 AM
You will get fat by playing in our domestic league ha ha. And Gecevski did so the whole year for 400.000 euros.

MZT is a great basketball project and ha sjust joined the strong ABA league and have plan to qualifying for EL 2015.

Just pity that we joined ABA 2012/2013 and not 2011/2012 allready. Gecevski is out of shape.

MZT Skopje
07-05-2012, 09:39 AM
By the way the match will start 23:30 our local time: http://www.ekipa.mk

If we win we will face Lithuania or Porto Riko in Semifinals.

Tasos Peiraias
07-05-2012, 09:49 AM
I will support Dominican Republic
and I believe that FYROMians will
loose...

MZT Skopje
07-05-2012, 09:59 AM
Do not post on here if you have provocations in mind. Fyromains ? Macedonians live in our nation according to united nations, fiba, etc. UN and Fiba wright Macedonians.

I supported you last night.

Tasos Peiraias
07-05-2012, 10:10 AM
Do not post on here if you have provocations in mind. Fyromains ? Macedonians live in our nation according to united nations, fiba, etc. UN and Fiba wright Macedonians.

I supported you last night.
I dont say <Macedonians>,because my origin is from Thessaloniki,so I am Macedonian,too,but I belong to a different nation.It is too strange for me to tell that...
Yes,OK,I supported you in Eurobasket in your first match against Russia,maybe I will support you again,I dont tell that never support you,but this time I will prefer the dominican team.

kalashnikov
07-05-2012, 12:08 PM
FYROM should get this one easily...they tend to start-off slow but gain momentum in subsequent games

MZT Skopje
07-05-2012, 12:13 PM
Correct. You did smash us 2009 in Poland with 30 points or something but later on we beat Israel, Croatia and Germany and almost Russia too we lost with 71-69.

Tasos Peiraias
07-05-2012, 12:29 PM
Correct. You did smash us 2009 in Poland with 30 points or something but later on we beat Israel, Croatia and Germany and almost Russia too we lost with 71-69.
Germany?When?
In 2009?

MZT Skopje
07-05-2012, 12:42 PM
Ye 2009

Macedonia-Germany 86:75
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVFyq1HTur8

Former Olympiakos player Vrbica Stefanov had a good evening against the Germans.

MZT Skopje
07-05-2012, 12:59 PM
Bwin keeps Macedonia favourite.

FYR Macedonia 1.60
Dominican Republic 2.20

Pero Antic
07-05-2012, 01:05 PM
Ye 2009

Macedonia-Germany 86:75
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVFyq1HTur8

Former Olympiakos player Vrbica Stefanov had a good evening against the Germans.

Jovica Arsic was the main reason we didn't played in the quarterfinals in 2009 i remember Mozgov had 4 personal fouls in the last quater and played 10 mins and making crucial points for the Russians noone played 1:1 against him to foul him out. Very Big Mistake. At the end we lost because Mirakovski missed the lay up in the final second of the game (just like Stojanovski did two years later). Man i now realize how extremly tight those games have been and how unlucky we lost every time. Could have played in the WC 2010.....

MZT Skopje
07-05-2012, 01:34 PM
I can not blame Jovica Arsic. We hade 4 points lead 34 min, then Todor Gecevski injury his knee and didint play last 5 min. That wos the key.

Ye maybe we should put on more stress on Mozgov try to force the 5th faul but allways risky to play like that you might gett fouls yourself.


MKD : RUS 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HILhlMOY-pI

Yeee Russia really has been lucky against us over the last few years. Winning all matches in the last seconds. Even one buzzer beater.

stojanov8
07-05-2012, 06:53 PM
ok ,we beat domincan republic , we play versus porto riko than win!! than play olympic . i think we possible beat usa in olympic. what you're think Македонци?

Tasos Peiraias
07-05-2012, 07:01 PM
i think we possible beat usa in olympic
I think you forgot this emoticon: :p

Olympiacos
07-05-2012, 07:28 PM
Dominican Republic has terrible defense. I don't think they can win a knock out game against a quality European team, unless they really improve their defensive effort. Because so far it's almost zero. They would actually have a decent chance to qualify, if they just gave even a little bit of effort on defense.

MZT Skopje
07-05-2012, 07:46 PM
ok ,we beat domincan republic , we play versus porto riko than win!! than play olympic . i think we possible beat usa in olympic. what you're think Македонци?

I think you should stop spamming the topic if you have nothing smart to say.

MZT Skopje
07-05-2012, 07:49 PM
Dominican Republic has terrible defense. I don't think they can win a knock out game against a quality European team, unless they really improve their defensive effort. Because so far it's almost zero. They would actually have a decent chance to qualify, if they just gave even a little bit of effort on defense.

I did watch both maches against Korea and Russia. I agree with everything you told. They will have an nightmare with Makaleb unless they really improve their defence. They play a game that suits Makaleb very well.

BananaJo
07-05-2012, 08:11 PM
I can not see how this game will be lost by FYROM. I think that you already had a complacency lesson from the game with Angola...
+10 points at least...

Victorious
07-05-2012, 08:18 PM
I have no favorites here. I've mentioned before that the Dominican Republic will be the greatest threat for the FYR of Macedonia. It's clear that the Dominican rep. is not a world class team, but I think that they are slightly better than New Zealand and Angola. It will depend on how the players of both teams will react to presure.

saalsapr
07-05-2012, 08:40 PM
I like both teams, but I gotta go with our caribbean brothers.

Lets see if Calipari is dumb enough to put Francisco Garcia on Bo Mccaleb like Melendez did with Arroyo on Spanoulis.

Pero Antic
07-06-2012, 12:12 AM
I like both teams, but I gotta go with our caribbean brothers.

Lets see if Calipari is dumb enough to put Francisco Garcia on Bo Mccaleb like Melendez did with Arroyo on Spanoulis.

Samardziski will be the key in this game for our team if we convert the rebounds into points they are done but if not we will have huge problems our defence has to stop Horford from passing and getting easy points.
This game for me is unpredictable I hope we play with Kiril Nikolovski his size will help us in the rebounds. Vojdan Stojanovski should start to make 3pointers like always and for god sake Vlado Ilievski should not shot more if he is missing all the time.

MZT Skopje
07-06-2012, 12:14 AM
Odds did drop from 1.60 2.20 to 1.50 2.40.

Means that many bets has been made on Macedonian wictory.

MZT Skopje
07-06-2012, 12:21 AM
Samardziski will be the key in this game for our team if we convert the rebounds into points they are done but if not we will have huge problems our defence has to stop Horford from passing and getting easy points.
This game for me is unpredictable I hope we play with Kiril Nikolovski his size will help us in the rebounds. Vojdan Stojanovski should start to make 3pointers like always and for god sake Vlado Ilievski should not shot more if he is missing all the time.

Marjan Lazevski told ekipa http://www.ekipa.mk/News.aspx?newsId=9616 that we have been working very hard with rebounds over the past two free days. He knows how to play against DR and prity optemistic that we will pull this of.

We will work hard in defence the whole 40 min for the first time in this torney.

GustavoGanso
07-06-2012, 01:27 AM
I like Pero Antic but Al Horford is clearly better than him, nice matchup do watch..

if Garcia shot 30% from perimeter could be a nice game, he's playing really bad, its a shame what he's playing this year.

I see the dominicans with real chance to figure in Top 4.

Hepcat
07-06-2012, 02:52 AM
ok ,we beat domincan republic , we play versus porto riko than win!! than play olympic . i think we possible beat usa in olympic. what you're think Македонци?

Where did you Macedonian fellows find such a tremendous goodwill ambassador for your country's basketball? Let me guess, a back alley in Athens?

:confused:

sixama23
07-06-2012, 04:13 AM
I like Pero Antic but Al Horford is clearly better than him, nice matchup do watch..

if Garcia shot 30% from perimeter could be a nice game, he's playing really bad, its a shame what he's playing this year.

I see the dominicans with real chance to figure in Top 4.

I agree with you about Garcia. DR is expecting a lot from him. His shooting against Russia was really awful.
Even without playing good defence DR has real chances to win this one. Up tempo game and extended guard rotation will be some key points.
FYROM has 2 key guard players (MacCalebb and Ilievski) who are playing more than 35 minutes per game. Foul troubles for one of them or tiredness would be a big problem for Lazovski.

I am not sure that Antic will guard Horford. He is a good defender but his coach must keep him away from foul troubles very early in the game.
MacCalebb's guarding also is an issue for the Dominicans.

I have a feeling that DR will win this game :)

Pero Antic
07-06-2012, 12:31 PM
Where did you Macedonian fellows find such a tremendous goodwill ambassador for your country's basketball? Let me guess, a back alley in Athens?

:confused:

who says hes macedonian? everyone can write whatever he/she want. I can make a new account lets say Sabonis92 or something and could talk trash aswell.

Pero Antic
07-06-2012, 12:44 PM
I agree with you about Garcia. DR is expecting a lot from him. His shooting against Russia was really awful.
Even without playing good defence DR has real chances to win this one. Up tempo game and extended guard rotation will be some key points.
FYROM has 2 key guard players (MacCalebb and Ilievski) who are playing more than 35 minutes per game. Foul troubles for one of them or tiredness would be a big problem for Lazovski.

I am not sure that Antic will guard Horford. He is a good defender but his coach must keep him away from foul troubles very early in the game.
MacCalebb's guarding also is an issue for the Dominicans.

I have a feeling that DR will win this game :)

1.bold: That would be equal to suicide for them you have no idea...

2.bold: Tiredness? thats a word Vlado Ilievski dont know he played the most minutes in EB 2011 from all players in the tournament. Bo Mccaleb will not have foul troubles other players have that job.

The problem for DR is that we can make 3pointers from almost every position with almost every player and i feel that today this will happen we had two bad games in terms of 3p. but today this is going to change.

I have a feeling we will play our best game today.

Hepcat
07-06-2012, 02:31 PM
who says hes macedonian? everyone can write whatever he/she want. I can make a new account lets say Sabonis92 or something and could talk trash aswell.

Yes, that thought had crossed my mind. He's certainly doing his best to sabotage outside support for Macedonian basketball.

:confused:

Blackway
07-06-2012, 08:24 PM
50/50 game. Let the best team win. Both teams only have a single dangerous player to carry the team - Bo for Macedonia and Al for Dominican Republic. Whichever is stopped better will determine the victory.

MZT Skopje
07-06-2012, 08:29 PM
My herat rate is above 100 allready. Might get heartattack. Olimpic torney is just around the corner after Greeks suprising loss.

macleopard13
07-06-2012, 08:53 PM
My herat rate is above 100 allready. Might get heartattack. Olimpic torney is just around the corner after Greeks suprising loss.

Your heart rate's over 100? Mine's like 200 now. We face Puerto Rico and anything can happen in that game.

Pero Antic
07-06-2012, 08:58 PM
Your heart rate's over 100? Mine's like 200 now. We face Puerto Rico and anything can happen in that game.

guys chill you dont want die before the olympics;)

usagre
07-06-2012, 09:09 PM
the dr wins, horford has monster game.

MZT Skopje
07-06-2012, 09:10 PM
I will go to center now. About 20.000 fans will watch tte match on big screan.

Good luck Macedonia my god give you power.

Pero Antic
07-06-2012, 09:12 PM
I will go to center now. About 20.000 fans will watch tte match on big screan.

Good luck Macedonia my god give you power.

Lets do it boys i know you can!!!!!!!!!

macleopard13
07-06-2012, 09:18 PM
All right, good luck to Macedonia, guys! Fingers crossed :)!

SaliH
07-06-2012, 09:36 PM
Let's go Македониjа! :)

JGX
07-06-2012, 09:39 PM
DR gotta do something to stretch the defense...

DanMajerle
07-06-2012, 09:47 PM
Great play so far from Macedonia, continue where they left off at Eurobasket.

Guard
07-06-2012, 09:48 PM
How does F. garcia have a job in the NBA?
This guy looks like an euroleague scrub at best...

Pero Antic
07-06-2012, 09:48 PM
Great play so far from Macedonia, continue where they left off at Eurobasket.

thats our game thats our defence we are back!!!!

JGX
07-06-2012, 09:56 PM
Hard to win when you have no perimeter game and the other team can pack three defenders in the charge circle.

Dunno why the announcers seem to have such high expectations for the DR. Two NBA players on your team is nothing special at this level especially if one of them is Francisco Garcia, and they have some guys that are really substandard. And did they see Villanueva's stats from the last FIBA-Americas?

saalsapr
07-06-2012, 09:59 PM
Macedonia is finally showing the level of play that got them 4th place in Eurobasket.

JGX
07-06-2012, 10:03 PM
Wow. Horford a total zero tonight after two great group games.

JGX
07-06-2012, 10:05 PM
Macedonia is finally showing the level of play that got them 4th place in Eurobasket.


McCalebb showing why they gave him the big bucks :D

Buzissa
07-06-2012, 10:14 PM
DR is missing Horford's offensive production. Plus, their inside defense was terrible in the 1st half. Samardziski was abusing them in the post.

JGX
07-06-2012, 10:46 PM
Horford 1/9 from the field and the DR only down by two? Not bad...

Pero Antic
07-06-2012, 10:48 PM
DR is missing Horford's offensive production. Plus, their inside defense was terrible in the 1st half. Samardziski was abusing them in the post.

wow the refs really try to cheat this game unbelievable after halftime they totally helped DR in every situatuion the can we have big problems!!!!!! this looks like the greek scenario

mochoso
07-06-2012, 10:48 PM
4th qtr about to start now, go and get the win Dominican Republic! Let Macedonia join Greece at the airport tomorrow!

auris1
07-06-2012, 10:48 PM
Go Dominica?
Why not

Dtown
07-06-2012, 10:50 PM
could we be seeing another euro go down. :o

JGX
07-06-2012, 10:54 PM
How does F. garcia have a job in the NBA?
This guy looks like an euroleague scrub at best...


Two NBA players on your team is nothing special at this level especially if one of them is Francisco Garcia

I'd like to think we played a part in motivating him.

mochoso
07-06-2012, 10:55 PM
DR up by 5! Damn they were down 20 pts.. And Macedonia seems very tired now, specially McCalleb.

auris1
07-06-2012, 10:55 PM
could we be seeing another euro go down. :o
I do not mind
As long as Lithuania wins tonight

macleopard13
07-06-2012, 10:56 PM
wow the refs really try to cheat this game unbelievable after halftime they totally helped DR in every situatuion the can we have big problems!!!!!! this looks like the greek scenario

I agree. The refs are making questionable calls in favor of Dominican Republic.

Though I have to agree that Dominican Republic is outrebounding Macedonia by a lot. Macedonians are sleepy on defense.

babdelkader
07-06-2012, 11:00 PM
DR is all the way, great come back in third quarter !!

Guard
07-06-2012, 11:01 PM
I'd like to think we played a part in motivating him.

lol
was just gonna post this. :D

JGX
07-06-2012, 11:02 PM
si se puede
si se puede
si se puede

auris1
07-06-2012, 11:04 PM
no fucking way
Just vow
That is why i love this game

mochoso
07-06-2012, 11:06 PM
Another european down! And 21 Offensive rebounds for DR? Crazy!

zik013
07-06-2012, 11:07 PM
MKD should thank the refs for this extra point on "goaltending" by Horford...

Darknemo2000
07-06-2012, 11:07 PM
Second Euro team is out. Now if Lithuania would follow it would leave only Russia in. Havent seen as many Euro teams trashed around - shows that worlds level caught up.

Though to tell at leats I personally had lowest expectations from all Euro teams for Macedonia.

saalsapr
07-06-2012, 11:08 PM
Good on the dominicans.

Sorry Macedonia, you did great in the first half, but just didnt have the depth and stamina left to hang with the dominicans.

Illegal2k10
07-06-2012, 11:10 PM
MKD should thank the refs for this extra point on "goaltending" by Horford...

yea:P it should have been hard to see if it was goalatending or not tho(for the ref).
MKD reallyneeds a copy of Maccalebb at C :D

zik013
07-06-2012, 11:11 PM
"Cisco" did it really... crazy streaky shooter

fasoulaki
07-06-2012, 11:12 PM
Second Euro team is out. Now if Lithuania would follow it would leave only Russia in. Havent seen as many Euro teams trashed around - shows that worlds level caught up

Might also be a consequence of the recent rule changes. the 3pt line is farther away and the rectangulare zone shape. this favors more athletic teams.

Dtown
07-06-2012, 11:12 PM
Congrats to the Dominican Republic :D

There win also guarantees a non european team will be able to go to the Olympics from this tournament.

Pero Antic
07-06-2012, 11:12 PM
"Cisco" did it really... crazy streaky shooter

what a horror of a game we are going home

JGX
07-06-2012, 11:14 PM
What a pair of games. And the main event is still to come!

lol at Martinez choreographing the celebrations.

rikhardur
07-06-2012, 11:14 PM
First Olympics ever without a country from former Yugoslavia?

MSU_Spartan
07-06-2012, 11:14 PM
Wow, I caught the first quarter and had to go out. Definitely did not expect this ending the way DR played in the first half. I'm proud of my team!

MJ was an alien
07-06-2012, 11:14 PM
Puerto Rico next perhaps? if so, then i guess the "Pirates of the caribbean" will continue.

Victorious
07-06-2012, 11:16 PM
As I predicted, the dominican republic was too much for the FYR of Macedonia. They were their best opponent yet. There is no harm in loosing to a better team.

MJ was an alien
07-06-2012, 11:16 PM
Great game. DR deserved it! Looking forward for PR vs Lithuania

Lietuvis
07-06-2012, 11:17 PM
yep as i said on other posts this location in south america was always going to be tough for european teams to qualify...not feeling confident for my boys in the next game..another local team

Lietuvis
07-06-2012, 11:18 PM
Great game. DR deserved it! Looking forward for PR vs Lithuania

Yeh to see the last european team fall out!

NorCal
07-06-2012, 11:18 PM
Might also be a consequence of the recent rule changes. the 3pt line is farther away and the rectangulare zone shape. this favors more athletic teams.

That was exactly what i was thinking after watching Nigeria and the Dominican Rep win their games. Its a small sample but something to keep an eye on going forward.

Dtown
07-06-2012, 11:21 PM
First Olympics ever without a country from former Yugoslavia?

First time since 1956 if we're including Yugoslavia proper. Certainly the first time since the break up.

Pero Antic
07-06-2012, 11:23 PM
That was exactly what i was thinking after watching Nigeria and the Dominican Rep win their games. Its a small sample but something to keep an eye on going forward.

Well our personal fouls killed us today and DR played a very good second half. 20ps we had them and lost just like greece i cant beleive it thats a very hard way to lose........but its our fault

guilherme.rcf
07-06-2012, 11:26 PM
There is to much hype on the macedonian team because of the last euro.

Rep. Dominicana could beat them everyday even with the old rules.

fasoulaki
07-06-2012, 11:27 PM
That was exactly what i was thinking after watching Nigeria and the Dominican Rep win their games. Its a small sample but something to keep an eye on going forward.
And from what has been said by the Euroleague officials, Euroleague will introduce some more NBA-like rules into the league like tolerance in traveling rules at the first-step and so on. What is allowed in the Euroleague will also become FIBA rule at some point.

NorCal
07-06-2012, 11:27 PM
Well our personal fouls killed us today and DR played a very good second half. 20ps we had them and lost just like greece i cant beleive it thats a very hard way to lose........but its our fault

I don't have it in front of me but the 2nd chance points were extremely lopsided. I would have liked to see you in the Olympics, bummer

MJ was an alien
07-06-2012, 11:27 PM
Yeh to see the last european team fall out!

I do have confidence on Lithuania. Now that Greece is out i think Lithuania is the next country that shoud play at the Olympics

fasoulaki
07-06-2012, 11:31 PM
Since the teams ranked 6th and 4th in eurobasket 2011 have left the tournament already it would be logical if the team ranked 5th will also kiss ass and say bye bye, while the russians may have a chance since they ranked 3rd.

Hepcat
07-06-2012, 11:31 PM
And from what has been said by the Euroleague officials, Euroleague will introduce some more NBA-like rules into the league like tolerance in traveling rules at the first-step and so on. What is allowed in the Euroleague at some point will also become FIBA rule at some point.


That would be bad for the sport. What they need to do is clamp down on travelling not vice-versa!

:mad:

jiggawhat
07-06-2012, 11:35 PM
Does anyone ever not complain about the referees? Your act is getting old

usagre
07-06-2012, 11:36 PM
Does anyone ever not complain about the referees? Your act is getting old

i think if you follow fiba basketball its just part of your dna.

Pero Antic
07-06-2012, 11:37 PM
There is to much hype on the macedonian team because of the last euro.

Rep. Dominicana could beat them everyday even with the old rules.

did you even watched the game we literally destroyed them in the first half a mix of stupid couching and WRONG ref decision brought them back into the game and we lost.

vaskobog
07-06-2012, 11:37 PM
Thats all folks. The best 1st quarter for Macedonia, good defence and patient attack.

Then a little support from referees to Dominicana to back in the game, and than totally different story from Macedonia ... no defence in the recket, unpatient and fast attacks, many shoots for 3 pts ...

I don't know why Lazovski keep K. Nikolovski our second best Center, all time at the bench. :mad:

Congrats to Dominicana!

sixama23
07-06-2012, 11:43 PM
Congrats to DR...
I would love to see Horford and Coach Cal at the Olympics!

guilherme.rcf
07-06-2012, 11:51 PM
Of course I warched.

You lost to Angola three days ago. Angola!

And in the last euro you started the tournament losing to a so so team. And after these defeats, It seems that what happened after that game was luck. Even the close win over Finland.

Without one single player, whom is american born and raised, Macedonia wouldnt have even qualified for this tournament.

Olympiacos
07-06-2012, 11:52 PM
Might also be a consequence of the recent rule changes. the 3pt line is farther away and the rectangulare zone shape. this favors more athletic teams.

No. Those rules changes actually favor the European teams more. The amount of spacing on the floor is a lot less than it was with the old rules.


And from what has been said by the Euroleague officials, Euroleague will introduce some more NBA-like rules into the league like tolerance in traveling rules at the first-step and so on. What is allowed in the Euroleague will also become FIBA rule at some point.

No, because actually Euroleague has been doing it their own way. In 2008 FIBA actually changed the travel rules, but Euroleague kept them as they were.

So Euroleague is just now changing to the FIBA rule on traveling.


Does anyone ever not complain about the referees? Your act is getting old

If Team USA loses a game, there will be a thread with 100 pages at least long of Americans calling for the heads of the refs and FIBA officials.

The ironic thing of course will be that the USA would have been favored by the refs in the game by at least 70-30, if not more.

Terrorizer
07-07-2012, 12:29 AM
I've supported Macedonians mostly because I hugely liked what they were showing on the last Eurobasket. No doubt that starting five of Macedonian team has more quality than Dominican one but Macedonian roster is too limited: aside from Bo, Vlado, Pero, Vojdan and to some extent Gecevski there are no classy players in the team. Still it was their own players and coach stupidity and fault to lose a game in that way with shaky defense and no control of the game tempo after such a brilliant first half. Macedonia is a better overall team than their opponents but Dominicana chosen to fight and succeded in it playing with great physical strength and ourebounding Macedonia as if they are some midgets. Well, it's a sad result for me but I can't say that Dominicana completely didn't deserved that. Though referees were clearly on the Latin team side which is an unpleasnat thing. And while Horford sucked really hard in the first half Garcia finally stepped up and was great today hitting threes and mid jump-shots with almost perfect accuracy. Still a mediocre player but today he was MVP of the game.
By the way, what do you think about the fact of having two European teams already out: is it a downfall of European basketball or just a accidental coincidence?

NorCal
07-07-2012, 01:01 AM
By the way, what do you think about the fact of having two European teams already out: is it a downfall of European basketball or just a accidental coincidence?

There's a lot of chance involved in one game, obviously. But I would argue, at least from just watching most of the two games, that it appears those teams- Nigeria and D.R.- improved, not so much that Greece and Macedonia or European basketball as a whole has gotten worse.

JGX
07-07-2012, 01:06 AM
By the way, what do you think about the fact of having two European teams already out: is it a downfall of European basketball or just a accidental coincidence?

Doesn't mean anything. Nigeria was pretty good last time they fielded a full team as well. Macedonia was only there because they recruited an American star, hard to take them as representative of "European basketball". Similarly, Nigeria and DR are loaded with guys born and/or raised in the US, it's a stretch to consider them representative of "rest of the world" basketball.

Victorious
07-07-2012, 01:13 AM
Doesn't mean anything. Nigeria was pretty good last time they fielded a full team as well. Macedonia was only there because they recruited an American star, hard to take them as representative of "European basketball". Similarly, Nigeria and DR are loaded with guys born and/or raised in the US, it's a stretch to consider them representative of "rest of the world" basketball.

During the last Olympics China lost to Spain in overtime. They were very close to victory. These things happen nowadays in international basketball. Underdogs can be extremely dangerous and more than often make a surprise win.

MZT Skopje
07-07-2012, 03:02 AM
Shame for our sport with reffs like this. Just look at the states 35 free throws for DR just 9 for MKD.

Hard to play defense when the reffs do not allow you to play defence. I mean Antic didint even tuch DR players on his first 3 fouls. Just way to obvious. With Antic and Cekovski with 3 fouls so fast we could no longer play defence.

Sad to see when sport become politics. Think you know who I blame here and why. Our name is to much for them. But OK if it makes them happy.

ners4311
07-07-2012, 03:11 AM
Well, If you saw the game, Macedonia basically shot from outside (and fail during the second half) and when they penetrated the dominican defense, they did it openly. The dominicans, even though they didn't have the height, they tried to play inside a lot of times.

MZT Skopje
07-07-2012, 03:21 AM
I agree. The refs are making questionable calls in favor of Dominican Republic.

Though I have to agree that Dominican Republic is outrebounding Macedonia by a lot. Macedonians are sleepy on defense.

Our coach told that our players got very passive cuz of fear to get fouls we got to many fauls on key players even if it clearly was space and air between the players. He told THAT Players felt that something fishy wos going on.

Martinez did act like a football player against Antic ridiculous, com on 2 reffs very close to the situation. Later did run into our Cekovski did almost kill him still we got the foul.

Not just undeserved faul problems on key defenders and free throws just on one side of the court but at least 10 very streange calls giving ball back to DR when it should be ours.

That this can happen on a importent OG Q match, have no words.

Illegal2k10
07-07-2012, 12:09 PM
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Not really. Greece was really robbed, while MKD lost, cuz of the short bench.

Terrorizer
07-07-2012, 12:32 PM
Not really. Greece was really robbed, while MKD lost, cuz of the short bench.
If Greece shot 9 free throws all the game and their opponents got to the line 31 times then all of the people who talks of 'robbery against Greece' would be 10 times louder (and definitely more adequate). Refs heavily favoured Dominicana - it's not the only (and not even main) reason for Macedonians to lose but to write it off is a clear mistake. The main problems of Macedonia in this game was the lack of might in the paint, including being hugely outrebounded on both sides of the court, weak and nonpassionate defense in the second half and extremely short bench which brought heavy fatigue and lack of freshness to the team's leaders (who are all playing 35+ minutes in every game).

MZT Skopje
07-07-2012, 04:03 PM
There are many reasons why we lost and the refs are one of them. Not only 10 times louder but greeks woul send bomb to Fiba headquarter.

We have big problems on defence with out Antic and Cekovski and both got many personal fauls with out any reason. This hit us even more than 31-9 from the line.

This should be sport but a lot of corruption among fiba and refs.

Maybe we should stop investing on basketball, close down the project MZT Skopje and the new youth project KK Junior http://junior.com.mk/cms/home/

Basketball just started to get popular in Macedonia, nice job fiba.

Handball is the most popular team sport in Macedonia and basketball started to get closer Handball more investments both federation and clubs.

Handball 18.000 fans in Belgrade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6VMRaYaLX0

MZT Skopje
07-07-2012, 05:45 PM
Analyze from an Serbian-Croatian-Bosnian-Macedonian-Slovenian and Montenego sport web.

The reasons for the failure of the Macedonian
http://balkan-sport.net/2012/07/razlozi-makedonskog-neuspjeha/

Macedonia failed. So close, yet so far. Small step to the historical success proved to be insurmountable, however.

Macedonian basketball miracle of EuroBasket 2011 and will continue to be at the Olympic Games in London. I will try to analyze the failure of Macedonia from the neutral angle, although last night I wholeheartedly cheer for the team.

The night after a difficult and painful defeat, however, things can look smoother and with more reality. Where we err? Who is the culprit and the main reason why the whole of Macedonia will tremble and cheer for their favorites at the Olympics in London? First things first:



1. Marjan Lazevski.

The question is, Is the coach who has achieved no Notable result, the capacity to lead the team in which we have some super star? Why was he had to change the menu? Is there a way to Dokuzovski, who made a historic success with teams of Macedonia, left on the bench? Marjan lying is not good at these meetings led qualifications. The first two meetings were evident where the worst of Macedonia and Macedonia, where the game is lost. In the first two games convincingly out jumped Macedonia, and a third more than that. Dominican Republic has had a massive 19 more jumps from Macedonia and 28-4 score from second chances points. It could have been prevented. Likewise, when the decline was evident in the game is not good mjenjao.Glavne Macedonia players spent to the limit of endurance, and had guys on the bench that they could odmjeniti and rest. After all why they led with them if they do not believe. He had to have more courage and the personal mistakes and Antic Chekovskog into play to push the young, 211 cm high Kiril Nikolovski. Especially when Gečevski looked more ridiculous than against Dominican centers.
Chemistry in the team in Lithuania and this was evident ista.Timski spirit did not exist, and this was the main forte of Macedonia in Lithuania. For all of these omissions is guilty of a menu that has borne a large share of responsibility.

2.Preperations

The team jersey is holy. At least it should be. It is clear and understandable that the players had a long and grueling season, but it Is fair to the guys who were prepared from the beginning worked hard to condition its playing for the Saints jersey coming just days before the start of qualifying. Gečevski, Ilievski and Antic had to be on prepared from start not join the team 7 days before the start. They were able to scratch apply a special program to restore freshness if they need to rest, but for team spirit had to be with the rest of the team.

3. Third Physical stores

20 differences lead after 15 minutes, play great defense and poketljivu, receive 28 points for one half and then the total decline. Players were left without air, the physical fitness of players was not good. I'm not sure whether 58 points in one half received the Macedonian U15 national team last night against the Dominican Republic. The reasons for the defeat can be traced in it.


4. Referee

Although it is not good to talk about judges, however, last night we watched a weird judging criteria. Several errors in the direct expense of Macedonia, when the Dominicans back from the abyss, it certainly was a springboard for them. The top Canadian Weiland. Yet it is Macedonia that took place knows and can do 6 or judges would not help Dminikancima to return, even though the main reasons to be sought in the first 3 items listed.

Finally, to conclude. It is easy to be a general after the battle, but I still think that some of these things above still could have been prevented. Macedonia was very close to the whole nation is proud. Especially after dropping the Greeks only small step left is a small to large investments in the Olympics. Longing for the occasion propuštenm remains difficult and is usually the Macedonian fan explain how it happened sort of decline, why are individuals seemed so disinterested as to play for 7th place on a street hoops? Why is America in the ranks of Macedonia showed the biggest heart, and you have the courage of individuals from the team after a look into the eyes of a foreigner who potted 35 points and left heart field.

We hope that the national team coaching staff to recognize problems in the Macedonian national team and will respond appropriately and eliminate those that do not deserve their knowledge and commitment to defend the colors of Macedonia

Olympiacos
07-07-2012, 06:21 PM
Both Greece and FYROM were clearly robbed by the refs.

MZT Skopje
07-07-2012, 07:37 PM
I agree but it is easier to destroy Macedonia than Greece you have a bigger bench.

But Ok that only one of the factors. But who are responsible that Marin Dokuzovski gott fired ???? and to replace him with a amateur Like Marjan Lazovski is a complete joke. His best result as coach is 4th place in our domestic league.

Gecevski, Ilievski, Makaleb and Antic show up only 7 days before the torney !!! how can you prepare yourself with only 7 days ????. As exampel Kirilenko has been part of the Russian preperations for 23 days.

Lazevski is a joke, no rotation on brothers Stojanovski and Sokolov who playd 16min avg in Spain 2007, 24 min avg in Poland 2009 and 9 min avg in Lithuania playd 0 min 2012.

The 212 CM Nikolovski on he bench whole match even with Antic and Cekovski with faul problems. Instead he choosed out of form and out of fitness Gecevski. Nikolovski wos better than Gecevski the whole season and gott offer from Russian Lokomotiv but choosed the new ABA league team MZT Skopje.

We had great organization problems and federation president should resign. This is a disaster.

MZT Skopje
07-07-2012, 07:50 PM
Oktay Mamuthi (Turkish) but born in Skopje big coach now with Efes Pilsen. Zare Markovski former Lotomatica Roma, Armani Milano and Bologna coach, Sasko Filipovski now with Union Ljubljana.

And the choosed no one Marjan Lazevski ????? at least Dokuzovski should stay, krist sake.

Our basketball federation even lost Vladimir Micov (new CSKA player) to Serbia a few months ago.

Total organisation chaos. How can Ognen Stojanovski be left out from the team ???? how can Riste Stefanov be left out former AEK, Union, Besiktas and Lukoil player.