(Originally posted by Matiz, 10-01-2005 05:43 AM)
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Matiz
10-01-2005 05:43 AM
Adriatic league 2005/06
Spanish league and it's regulations really robbed Adriatic league, but still there are some nice youngsters like Markota, Tripkovic, Perovic, Bogdanovic, Lalic, Dragic, Milosevic, Aleksandrov and Ilic that will fill in the quality gap which became with all thoseplayers leaving...
overall I don't know how european championship influenced on the conditions in croatian basketball and how much croatians are actually interested in basketball right now... same could be said for Serbia, while Slovenia's top4 teams weren't at such a low level for something like 7,8 years ago before Lasko and Krka rose up... so i expect Slovenian teams to gather the least victories, getting only 2 spots for adriatic league in 2006/07...
1. Partizan
This year should be different for Partizan, their key player Dejan Milojevic is staying in the club, Nikola Loncar returned to Partizan after 10 years playing abroad,he underperformed last year in Estudiantes but he'll get much more chances in Partizan also with mentionable role- being a tutor for Partizan's youngsters... Perovic, Tripkovic, Samardzinski, Bogdanovic, Borovnjak, Velickovic are expected to bring up what they've learned last year when Vujosevic was very generous with playing time for those youngsters... and considering the ammount of talent Partizan has in their roster, their only way should be up... if only injuries will be mercifull for them this year...
2. Cibona Zagreb
Cibona is having troubles with finances, but Scoonie returned which means attractive game and loads of exciting passes- they signed the core of the team. with addition of Marcelic, Bazdaric, Skelin, Davison and young Rancic their roster looks good, Markota is one year older, he dominated in junior cathegory and should finally be able to contribute somethiung to the team...
If Skelin would be able to stay healthy and play at least up to 60% of his capabilities, Cibona would be dangerous in euroleague, while in Adriatic league with numerous players leaving to Spain their roster is clearly one of the best.
3. FMP Zeleznik (Reflex)
Ilic woke up last year, Aleksandrov gained some experience and there are numerous teenagers waiting in the line to get the chance. Loosing Majstorovic, Freeman and Popovic is a big hit, but as ussually with Reflex youngsters will fill the free spots on the roster and I believe with addition of 1-2 USA players Reflex will be one of the most dominant teams in adriatic league...
4. Olimpija
With new "sponsors", new coach, opinions varies from person to person what will happen with Olimpija, some predict collapse, others think Olimpija will return to the old glory of biggest talent producer in Europe.
Ozbolt will left out half of the season, Markoishvili will rest for another month or so. Markoishvili, Vrkic and Rizvic alltogether with again investing money in some talented youngsters that will play in lower leagues for some time are all good additions for the future, but in fact almost every year can be critical for Olimpija and it's spoiled fans.
Olimpija added Evtimov, VD Hare, Oliver, Sczewcyk, Ranniko- not exactly players their fans are used to watch here, but at least they bring up some experience that should be enough to keep on top of Adriatic league... Halperin is in the club for one season only, but I expect him to one of the main favorites to gain the rookie of the year award from euroleague, since without Ozbolt in first few months he'll get loads of PT
5. Zadar
Zadar sold Marko Banic their key player last year hoping that John Whorton arriving from Darussafaka can replace him, with additional money they're expecting to reach forward and fight with Cibona to once again surprise them in national championship, unlikely judging from roster perspective but no matter what Zadar still has one of the best fans in the world... no matter how hard euro championship depressed croatians I have no doubt that Jazine (or the new arena they're building) will again be filled up together with great atmosphere...
6. Hemofarm
After being an UlebCup contender last year, loosing Bogavac, Popovic, Hukic... they tried to keep the same level as last year, brought Conley from Tau, Stefanovic and Vukosavljevic from Zvezda, Joksimovic from Lasko, but I don't believe this team will obtain the same results as last year
7. Crvena Zvezda
Zvezda added Gurovic- could be a plus or minus, Ed Obannon... and some nice talented youngsters Mandic, Milosevic, Nesovic, Bayav, AEK's Antic... eventhough some US players will arrive in the club later, I doubt this team will be able to be really competitive, but afterall it's fans and status of institution Crvena Zvezda enjoys will bring them top8 tournament... looking at Zvezda at no.7 really makes me realize that adriatic league is weaker than last year.
8. Bosna
Bosna composed a competitive team for the first time in the last few years last year, but I think fans in Sarajevo will want something more this year, but Bosna has done nothing so far to replace their key man Kenan Bajramovic so far... Sarajevo will mostlikely host the Final8 tournament, Bosna will be there, they could surprise due to their numerous and loud fans and get to Uleb cup for 06/07 season, but I don't think their team will be something speciall
8. Vojvodina
They're the newcomers in to the league, they have some nice players like Dozet, Pisnic, Scekic, Kojadinovic... again placing them at njo.8 just shows how weakened is AL this year...
10. Slovan
Slovan has at the moment most of slovenian talented youngsters: Vidmar, Klobucar, Grusovnik and loads of them coming up from their youth teams. Pasalic and Zupan should have their breakthrough season, while unless they bring some more experience players I believe they won't be able to fight for top8... loosing Modric, Paravinja, Petrov, Doncic and Oliver is too much... while their biggest problem so far is the fact they have no fan base whatsoever.
11. Zagreb
selling Marko Tomas to Real I expected this team to bring quite some noticable reinforcements but so far it looks like they're sticking more or less with their old team. 3 main players Tomas brothers, Miljkovic and both slovenians Fon and Balazic left and no reinforcement arrived so far except Broyles and Taylor... I guess it's all up to americans this season..
12. Lasko
Since Lasko brewery took over Union brewery they decided they won't support 2 bball teams to such level, so Lasko decreased their budget this season, natuarally their level is supposed to fall this year because of it. They brought Itzaki from Bnei Hasharon, Strnad and Kunc from Kaposhvari, Finzgar from Koper... overall 12th spot might be a bit too high for them actually...
13. Siroki
team I dislike since the first time I heard of them... anyway, they'll be among the last 3 teanms as ussual...
14. Helios
Lorbek and Mocnik gained some experience last year, and they should be key players this season (dissapearing abroad next season of course...) in fact i believe the whole succes of the club will depend on this duo. Coach Memi Becirovic will imo expose some youngsters, but I don't think Helios has anything to do in AL with such roster.
Looking forward to Klemen Lorbek (the youngest brother) getting some chance and experience this year.
10-01-2005 05:43 AM
Adriatic league 2005/06
Spanish league and it's regulations really robbed Adriatic league, but still there are some nice youngsters like Markota, Tripkovic, Perovic, Bogdanovic, Lalic, Dragic, Milosevic, Aleksandrov and Ilic that will fill in the quality gap which became with all thoseplayers leaving...
overall I don't know how european championship influenced on the conditions in croatian basketball and how much croatians are actually interested in basketball right now... same could be said for Serbia, while Slovenia's top4 teams weren't at such a low level for something like 7,8 years ago before Lasko and Krka rose up... so i expect Slovenian teams to gather the least victories, getting only 2 spots for adriatic league in 2006/07...
1. Partizan
This year should be different for Partizan, their key player Dejan Milojevic is staying in the club, Nikola Loncar returned to Partizan after 10 years playing abroad,he underperformed last year in Estudiantes but he'll get much more chances in Partizan also with mentionable role- being a tutor for Partizan's youngsters... Perovic, Tripkovic, Samardzinski, Bogdanovic, Borovnjak, Velickovic are expected to bring up what they've learned last year when Vujosevic was very generous with playing time for those youngsters... and considering the ammount of talent Partizan has in their roster, their only way should be up... if only injuries will be mercifull for them this year...
2. Cibona Zagreb
Cibona is having troubles with finances, but Scoonie returned which means attractive game and loads of exciting passes- they signed the core of the team. with addition of Marcelic, Bazdaric, Skelin, Davison and young Rancic their roster looks good, Markota is one year older, he dominated in junior cathegory and should finally be able to contribute somethiung to the team...
If Skelin would be able to stay healthy and play at least up to 60% of his capabilities, Cibona would be dangerous in euroleague, while in Adriatic league with numerous players leaving to Spain their roster is clearly one of the best.
3. FMP Zeleznik (Reflex)
Ilic woke up last year, Aleksandrov gained some experience and there are numerous teenagers waiting in the line to get the chance. Loosing Majstorovic, Freeman and Popovic is a big hit, but as ussually with Reflex youngsters will fill the free spots on the roster and I believe with addition of 1-2 USA players Reflex will be one of the most dominant teams in adriatic league...
4. Olimpija
With new "sponsors", new coach, opinions varies from person to person what will happen with Olimpija, some predict collapse, others think Olimpija will return to the old glory of biggest talent producer in Europe.
Ozbolt will left out half of the season, Markoishvili will rest for another month or so. Markoishvili, Vrkic and Rizvic alltogether with again investing money in some talented youngsters that will play in lower leagues for some time are all good additions for the future, but in fact almost every year can be critical for Olimpija and it's spoiled fans.
Olimpija added Evtimov, VD Hare, Oliver, Sczewcyk, Ranniko- not exactly players their fans are used to watch here, but at least they bring up some experience that should be enough to keep on top of Adriatic league... Halperin is in the club for one season only, but I expect him to one of the main favorites to gain the rookie of the year award from euroleague, since without Ozbolt in first few months he'll get loads of PT
5. Zadar
Zadar sold Marko Banic their key player last year hoping that John Whorton arriving from Darussafaka can replace him, with additional money they're expecting to reach forward and fight with Cibona to once again surprise them in national championship, unlikely judging from roster perspective but no matter what Zadar still has one of the best fans in the world... no matter how hard euro championship depressed croatians I have no doubt that Jazine (or the new arena they're building) will again be filled up together with great atmosphere...
6. Hemofarm
After being an UlebCup contender last year, loosing Bogavac, Popovic, Hukic... they tried to keep the same level as last year, brought Conley from Tau, Stefanovic and Vukosavljevic from Zvezda, Joksimovic from Lasko, but I don't believe this team will obtain the same results as last year
7. Crvena Zvezda
Zvezda added Gurovic- could be a plus or minus, Ed Obannon... and some nice talented youngsters Mandic, Milosevic, Nesovic, Bayav, AEK's Antic... eventhough some US players will arrive in the club later, I doubt this team will be able to be really competitive, but afterall it's fans and status of institution Crvena Zvezda enjoys will bring them top8 tournament... looking at Zvezda at no.7 really makes me realize that adriatic league is weaker than last year.
8. Bosna
Bosna composed a competitive team for the first time in the last few years last year, but I think fans in Sarajevo will want something more this year, but Bosna has done nothing so far to replace their key man Kenan Bajramovic so far... Sarajevo will mostlikely host the Final8 tournament, Bosna will be there, they could surprise due to their numerous and loud fans and get to Uleb cup for 06/07 season, but I don't think their team will be something speciall
8. Vojvodina
They're the newcomers in to the league, they have some nice players like Dozet, Pisnic, Scekic, Kojadinovic... again placing them at njo.8 just shows how weakened is AL this year...
10. Slovan
Slovan has at the moment most of slovenian talented youngsters: Vidmar, Klobucar, Grusovnik and loads of them coming up from their youth teams. Pasalic and Zupan should have their breakthrough season, while unless they bring some more experience players I believe they won't be able to fight for top8... loosing Modric, Paravinja, Petrov, Doncic and Oliver is too much... while their biggest problem so far is the fact they have no fan base whatsoever.
11. Zagreb
selling Marko Tomas to Real I expected this team to bring quite some noticable reinforcements but so far it looks like they're sticking more or less with their old team. 3 main players Tomas brothers, Miljkovic and both slovenians Fon and Balazic left and no reinforcement arrived so far except Broyles and Taylor... I guess it's all up to americans this season..
12. Lasko
Since Lasko brewery took over Union brewery they decided they won't support 2 bball teams to such level, so Lasko decreased their budget this season, natuarally their level is supposed to fall this year because of it. They brought Itzaki from Bnei Hasharon, Strnad and Kunc from Kaposhvari, Finzgar from Koper... overall 12th spot might be a bit too high for them actually...
13. Siroki
team I dislike since the first time I heard of them... anyway, they'll be among the last 3 teanms as ussual...
14. Helios
Lorbek and Mocnik gained some experience last year, and they should be key players this season (dissapearing abroad next season of course...) in fact i believe the whole succes of the club will depend on this duo. Coach Memi Becirovic will imo expose some youngsters, but I don't think Helios has anything to do in AL with such roster.
Looking forward to Klemen Lorbek (the youngest brother) getting some chance and experience this year.
MICKO
10-01-2005 09:17 PM
Re: Adriatic league 2005/06
There will be no USA players in FMP this year.Aleksandrov is excpeceted to play next year i think in Novembar but he will not play for FMP probbably.I think FMP is going to be good this year even with the key looses from last year.Players which we should loking at ARE point guards:Marko Marinovic,
and Aleksandar Rasic,,Fowards:Stefan Majstorovic,Jorovic and Dusko Savanovic and Centers:Mile Ilic and Zoran Erceg.They are very young and talented squad.Their oldest player is Branko Jorovic and he is 24 years old.Labovic,Teodosic and Raduljica from national u18 squad will probably play in Serbian A Division for Borac Cacak.I think they will be great team to watch.
Partizan:I think this is Kosta Perovic year.He show last year in Serbian play off
what he is capable to do even with injury.I also think he will be in the 2006 NBA DRAFT.Uros Tripkovic should have good season and Luka Bogdanovic too.
The Key adition this year is young power foward Nikola Pekovic from U20 squad he is 6"11 he is good rebounder,shoot blocker and he can scoore around basket.Offcourse they have great Dejan Milkojevic do everything type of guy.They have Predrag Suput and another new signing experienced guy Nikola Loncar and center Predrag Smardziski and young point guard Boris Bakic.I think Partizan can make few suprises this year in Euroleague.The will rule in Goodyear League and Serbian League.
Hemofarm:Three player that im interesting to see are:Milos Borisov,Miljan Rakic and Milos Mirkovic.I think they will be inferior under the rim they lost Petar Popovic,Miking and Hukic.They sign Vukosavljevic and Stefanovic from Red Star.
Red Star i really cant stand that team because players like Radivojevic,
Jeretin ,Bjelica and few more.They sign Milan Gurovic ,Igor Milosevic,Raicevic and Antic.They will be solid nothing special no real young talent there.
Vojvodina:I hope they will play there youngsters Center Vladimir Golubovic and
guard Milenko Tepic.I think Golubovic will get enogh playing time because they didnt resign Kebu Stewart.
10-01-2005 09:17 PM
Re: Adriatic league 2005/06
There will be no USA players in FMP this year.Aleksandrov is excpeceted to play next year i think in Novembar but he will not play for FMP probbably.I think FMP is going to be good this year even with the key looses from last year.Players which we should loking at ARE point guards:Marko Marinovic,
and Aleksandar Rasic,,Fowards:Stefan Majstorovic,Jorovic and Dusko Savanovic and Centers:Mile Ilic and Zoran Erceg.They are very young and talented squad.Their oldest player is Branko Jorovic and he is 24 years old.Labovic,Teodosic and Raduljica from national u18 squad will probably play in Serbian A Division for Borac Cacak.I think they will be great team to watch.
Partizan:I think this is Kosta Perovic year.He show last year in Serbian play off
what he is capable to do even with injury.I also think he will be in the 2006 NBA DRAFT.Uros Tripkovic should have good season and Luka Bogdanovic too.
The Key adition this year is young power foward Nikola Pekovic from U20 squad he is 6"11 he is good rebounder,shoot blocker and he can scoore around basket.Offcourse they have great Dejan Milkojevic do everything type of guy.They have Predrag Suput and another new signing experienced guy Nikola Loncar and center Predrag Smardziski and young point guard Boris Bakic.I think Partizan can make few suprises this year in Euroleague.The will rule in Goodyear League and Serbian League.
Hemofarm:Three player that im interesting to see are:Milos Borisov,Miljan Rakic and Milos Mirkovic.I think they will be inferior under the rim they lost Petar Popovic,Miking and Hukic.They sign Vukosavljevic and Stefanovic from Red Star.
Red Star i really cant stand that team because players like Radivojevic,
Jeretin ,Bjelica and few more.They sign Milan Gurovic ,Igor Milosevic,Raicevic and Antic.They will be solid nothing special no real young talent there.
Vojvodina:I hope they will play there youngsters Center Vladimir Golubovic and
guard Milenko Tepic.I think Golubovic will get enogh playing time because they didnt resign Kebu Stewart.
Matiz
10-01-2005 11:08 PM
I completely forgot about Partizan signed Pekovic as well...now they practically have the whole S&M U20 team on their roster.
Kosta should improve once more, but I am expecting the most from Tripkovic and Bogdanovic.
...even if Aleksandrov doesn't get to play for Zeleznik, the club will get some big buyout for him, although I think he should stay in Zeleznik or at least get into a team where he would get playing time...
10-01-2005 11:08 PM
I completely forgot about Partizan signed Pekovic as well...now they practically have the whole S&M U20 team on their roster.
Kosta should improve once more, but I am expecting the most from Tripkovic and Bogdanovic.
...even if Aleksandrov doesn't get to play for Zeleznik, the club will get some big buyout for him, although I think he should stay in Zeleznik or at least get into a team where he would get playing time...
Proph·et
10-03-2005 05:22 AM
C'mon Siroki at 13? I think they'll surprise a lot of people this season.
10-03-2005 05:22 AM
C'mon Siroki at 13? I think they'll surprise a lot of people this season.
avduka2
10-03-2005 06:44 AM
this season siroki has....josip sesar, josip vrankovic, gordan zadravec, mladen gligora, thalamus mcghee, damon frierson...not a bad group of players..sesar again looks like a player he was in KK Zagreb.....they will be dangerous....
10-03-2005 06:44 AM
this season siroki has....josip sesar, josip vrankovic, gordan zadravec, mladen gligora, thalamus mcghee, damon frierson...not a bad group of players..sesar again looks like a player he was in KK Zagreb.....they will be dangerous....
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