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csmkr18
09-15-2011, 09:58 AM
Very important game for both teams. How will Lithuania react after less than 24 hours from a big deception?

Picek
09-15-2011, 10:13 AM
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/ifrclone/16m3go7.gif
probably better then Murič :D

AirBall
09-15-2011, 10:16 AM
Will be very hard for both teams, but Lithuania is far better team at the moment...

I supose that they will win this game...

Would be disaster for them if they miss Olympic qualies....

Slovenians shouldnt aquire Sjor Bozo...

He is ex coach...

B84
09-15-2011, 10:35 AM
i always had bad feeling when slovenia played on this tournament this year, but today somehow i belive that we will see good game from our NT.

Should be interesting to is if i am right :)

madmax
09-15-2011, 10:50 AM
I think slovenians will win in a similar style to macedonians - slowing the game down to the last possessions and disrupting the only offensive play our coach knows - pick'n'roll:rolleyes: Surely he deserves to lose this game yet again and GTFO of our NT - only this way his hype will stop and his ass will be booted when our Olympic hopes are gone. GO SLOVENIA!!!

Alyosha12
09-15-2011, 11:17 AM
Slovenia still can't score more then 60PPG which means they still can't win, its as easy as that really.

We simply can not win this game, only Lithuania can lose it.

AirBall
09-15-2011, 11:23 AM
We simply can not win this game, only Lithuania can lose it.

Maybe Slovenia will play better if Bozo hits Smodis in the face... :D

Joško Poljak Fan
09-15-2011, 12:05 PM
Maybe Slovenia will play better if Bozo hits Smodis in the face... :D
...on the other hand, Smodiš punching Božo unconcious for the duration of the game might mean we'd have a chance to actually score near 70 points :D

Marty
09-15-2011, 12:11 PM
I think slovenians will win in a similar style to macedonians - slowing the game down to the last possessions and disrupting the only offensive play our coach knows - pick'n'roll:rolleyes: Surely he deserves to lose this game yet again and GTFO of our NT - only this way his hype will stop and his ass will be booted when our Olympic hopes are gone. GO SLOVENIA!!!

you are an idiot

PDanilovica
09-15-2011, 12:17 PM
If Dragic decides to play some basketball, Why not? He is not a worse player than McCalebb but he sucks in this tournament

Picek
09-15-2011, 12:32 PM
Kemzura doesn't look as a person who had much sleep last night..

EpicFail
09-15-2011, 12:34 PM
GO Slovenia!!!:)

Liha
09-15-2011, 12:36 PM
So how was it, top-6 gets a ticket to next EC and how many tickets to the olympics are given?

damelo
09-15-2011, 12:42 PM
Well, I guess Lithuania will not have digested the loss yeterday night, while there was nothing bad for Slovenia to lose against Spain. I expect Slovenia to win.

Dtown
09-15-2011, 12:56 PM
So how was it, top-6 gets a ticket to next EC and how many tickets to the olympics are given?

Two direct tickets are given to the gold and silver medalists.

3rd-6th place get a trip to the Additional qualifying tournament next year, in which the final 3 spots to the Olympics will be decided.

So yes this game is very important, winner stays alive for the Olympics.

Liha
09-15-2011, 01:03 PM
Okay ty.

madmax
09-15-2011, 01:15 PM
I've got to give some credit to Kemzura today - looks like he finally learnt his lesson and is playing through our big guys...if only he could manage to employ this tactic yesterday, but maybe that's too much to ask for...:rolleyes:

Gonzaka
09-15-2011, 01:26 PM
Slovenia falled down in the second quarter. I think it's difficult they come back to the game.

Edit: Oh, I've been owned!

madmax
09-15-2011, 02:00 PM
looks like no Olympics for us next year...
Only good news is that we will probably have a new young team with (hopefully) a new coach in 2013 EB.

Daywalker989
09-15-2011, 02:06 PM
what a game

washcloud
09-15-2011, 02:07 PM
Liths can't lose this

Alyosha12
09-15-2011, 02:11 PM
Damn Lakovic and Dragic are such fucking chokers i can't believe it. I want Beno so so badly.

EpicFail
09-15-2011, 02:12 PM
Omg...in last 30sec,Dragic throws the ball out of bounds,and then Lakovic...:confused:

washcloud
09-15-2011, 02:15 PM
Since Monya doesn't play for Slovenia, I don't think they can have an overtime...:rolleyes:

LTbotd
09-15-2011, 02:18 PM
Fuck, we won, and i don't care about anything...

madmax
09-15-2011, 02:20 PM
not much to say, except maybe to thank slovenians for their choking abilities:rolleyes: Kemzura once again almost lost a game with his horrible tactics and substitutions. Oh well, at least our agony is prolonged till qualifying tournament next year

EpicFail
09-15-2011, 02:22 PM
Hm,i suposse that Slovenia is expecting a leadership in their NT from Goran Dragic,but i think it's obvious that he is not from that material...He is a damn good player,but not a born leader...Will be interesting when Smodis retires from NT...

washcloud
09-15-2011, 02:22 PM
...and Eurobasket 2011 is history for Lithuania.
At least they managed to not be excluded from London's Olympic Games and they deserved this win today anyway, considering the blow they took yesterday, which was very hard for the basketball nation that they are, especially since they suffered it in their home courts. It certainly required basket...balls to recover soon enough from last night and not lose everything. I'd say "well done" for them.

prdovlak
09-15-2011, 02:23 PM
Fuck, we won, and i don't care about anything...

And it was one of the most important matches of our team in our history, and we lose.

Gonzaka
09-15-2011, 02:25 PM
When was the last tied final Slovenia won?

elaj
09-15-2011, 02:25 PM
The reality of Šjor Božo Maljković. I want this guy out of our country, not only National Team. Yet another tactical disgrace.

washcloud
09-15-2011, 02:30 PM
Fuck, we won, and i don't care about anything...

Come on, give them some credit, I think that the exceeded their today's potential, since the last 5' it seemed that they were feeling so "weak" and down in their mood (they could hardly jump). I know it sucks losing the opportunity to reach the finals, yet don't forget your players were feeling more or less than you do, but they did manage to come through.

Dreamcatcher
09-15-2011, 02:36 PM
I'm sure, if there would be any other team from 1/4 instead of Slovenia, we would loose. It ended not so bad, as it could be...

prdovlak
09-15-2011, 02:38 PM
When was the last tied final Slovenia won?

I remember Eurobasket 2007 against Italia in group stage. Beside that I don't remember that we won any important game ever (and even that game wasn't that important).

But, hey, look other side. We would have medal every single championship if epic comebacks wouldn't exist. So film-industry should thank to us because we give them ideas for sci-fi movies.

scream2207
09-15-2011, 02:40 PM
am glad we will at least get a chacne to get to olympics, but this eruobaket team did not play well.. throughout the whole tournament i was sayign to myself that their savign energy that they will start playing when it really matters and they did play their only good game against serbia, after that it stalled.. we deserverd to lose with thsi kind of game yesterday.. i just hope our leaders come (we really need a leader like kleiza)back for Olympics and the team wakes up..

Hepcat
09-15-2011, 02:49 PM
I don't understand why a team with as deep a bench as Lithuania has been getting outscored in the last half and particularly the last quarter. It's the other team that should be tired.

:confused:

Veliki_AS
09-15-2011, 02:49 PM
Damn Lakovic and Dragic are such fucking chokers i can't believe it. I want Beno so so badly.

Udrih is even bigger :D ...he may fit in this team big time:cool:

cesnakas
09-15-2011, 02:57 PM
Thanks to Kalnietis...

Alyosha12
09-15-2011, 02:57 PM
Udrih is even bigger :D ...he may fit in this team big time:cool:

Wa? Where did you get that from? He was the only reliable player the kings had in tight endings.Plus his FG% was 50% and he only had 1.8 TOPG which are two categories Slovenia sucked at this tournament.

andz
09-15-2011, 02:59 PM
Once again we loose in the final seconds of the game. This is a huge problem of Slovenia and basketball isn't the only sport . The land of chokers.Being a Slovenian fan is one of the most masochist things you can do.
We don't let others f**k with us , we f**k ourselves.... :)

Hepcat
09-15-2011, 03:02 PM
Thanks to Kalnietis....

Huh? I don't understand.

:confused:

Darknemo2000
09-15-2011, 03:03 PM
I don't understand why a team with as deep a bench as Lithuania has been getting outscored in the last half and particularly the last quarter. it's the other team that should be tired.

:confused:

lol. We are basically playing with 9 players only (Delininkaitis is a tourist, Petravicius is injured, Lavrinovic usually has back problems). That's not some massive bench not to mention that quite a number of those players that play are veterans like saras (35) or Kaukenas (34).

Raze Lupin
09-15-2011, 03:06 PM
Two direct tickets are given to the gold and silver medalists.

3rd-6th place get a trip to the Additional qualifying tournament next year, in which the final 3 spots to the Olympics will be decided.

So yes this game is very important, winner stays alive for the Olympics.

Thanks I was confused about this. I thought 1-6 got an automatic bid.

Raze Lupin
09-15-2011, 03:09 PM
lol. We are basically playing with 9 players only (Delininkaitis is a tourist, Petravicius is injured, Lavrinovic usually has back problems). That's not some massive bench not to mention that quite a number of those players that play are veterans like saras (35) or Kaukenas (34).

Are there other players from the 91' and 92' generation that can help?? I know many of them have size and athletic ability. Why can't they be used to provide energy rebounds, defense etc?...

septynix
09-15-2011, 03:12 PM
Once again we loose in the final seconds of the game. This is a huge problem of Slovenia and basketball isn't the only sport . The land of chokers.Being a Slovenian fan is one of the most masochist things you can do.
We don't let others f**k with us , we f**k ourselves.... :)
That made me laugh :D (a.k.a. - LOL). I hope that someday, somewhere some slovene will not choke and you shall have the pleasure to see it with your own eyes!

Anyway, good game, Slovenia... I think. Did not see it, listened to it on the radio at work. Everyone did.

But I kinda hate our NT. Not "HATE" hate, but just "uhhhh" hate, as in "why would you play like that? now why? stop doing that and just play that basketball thing, that you used to play, you stupid national team".

But don't worry about me, guys, tomorrow I shall drink and whine and be OK eventually, hope that everyone else will. We may not be a basketball nation this year, but we can still be first in Europe in alcohol consumption per capita!

madfann41
09-15-2011, 03:27 PM
Very disappointing from Slovenia but Im kind of happy Lithuania advanced.

hustlerlt
09-15-2011, 03:33 PM
Are there other players from the 91' and 92' generation that can help?? I know many of them have size and athletic ability. Why can't they be used to provide energy rebounds, defense etc?...
I guess I don't need to say that our '92 generation is pretty strong.There are some players that might be pretty good in our NT like Cizauskas,Redikas maybe Ulanovas,but they're way too young and inexperienced at the moment.From the younger players only Valanciunas can give some good results for us.Another promising player is of course Motiejunas,who in my opinion should've been taken to our NT instead of either Petravicius or Lavrinovic.We have some more young players that could've been better than lets say Delininkaitis.For example Gecevicius.He's only 23,will play for Olympiakos this season and before that he was the leader of Lietuvos Rytas.He's similar defensive abilities like Delininkaitis and is a better shooter and pick and roll player.Why he wasn't taken is still a mystery to me,because we really lacked a reliable shooter like him in games against France,Macedonia and Slovenia.I think our NT will be just fine and pretty strong in the future,we just need to hope that whoever our coach is,he'll take players for their abilities and not past accomplishments.

madmax
09-15-2011, 03:53 PM
I guess I don't need to say that our '92 generation is pretty strong.There are some players that might be pretty good in our NT like Cizauskas,Redikas maybe Ulanovas,but they're way too young and inexperienced at the moment.From the younger players only Valanciunas can give some good results for us.Another promising player is of course Motiejunas,who in my opinion should've been taken to our NT instead of either Petravicius or Lavrinovic.We have some more young players that could've been better than lets say Delininkaitis.For example Gecevicius.He's only 23,will play for Olympiakos this season and before that he was the leader of Lietuvos Rytas.He's similar defensive abilities like Delininkaitis and is a better shooter and pick and roll player.Why he wasn't taken is still a mystery to me,because we really lacked a reliable shooter like him in games against France,Macedonia and Slovenia.I think our NT will be just fine and pretty strong in the future,we just need to hope that whoever our coach is,he'll take players for their abilities and not past accomplishments.

amen brother...
I just hope and pray that our federation somehow sees the light and sacks worhtless Kemzura - surely his last years fluke result can't guarantee him this position forever?:rolleyes: It seems to me like this dude doesn't know other play than pick'n'roll offense and jacking up three pointers at any opportunity given. He's simply a horrible coach, there's no other way arround it

Picek
09-15-2011, 04:27 PM
For example Gecevicius.He's only 23,will play for Olympiakos this season and before that he was the leader of Lietuvos Rytas.He's similar defensive abilities like Delininkaitis and is a better shooter and pick and roll player.Why he wasn't taken is still a mystery to me,because we really lacked a reliable shooter like him in games against France,Macedonia and Slovenia.I think our NT will be just fine and pretty strong in the future,we just need to hope that whoever our coach is,he'll take players for their abilities and not past accomplishments.
I don't think this has been discuss enough as it should have been..
I haven't been reading all your guys posts but majority of discussion was about Motiejunas being cut while Gecevicius cut was somehow left in the silence..
even Seibitus cut had more attention then Gecevicius..

Straight forward
09-15-2011, 04:45 PM
Fist of all, congrats Lith fans with qualification ticket. That was very important and it would be a shame not to be in Olympics.

Second of all, now I'm very calm, but I want Kemzura out. This tournament showed the real abilities of current Kemzura - half court offense was not here literally except Šaras P&Rs (I was saying the same last year, but amazing shape of Kleiza and up tempo game style let to overcome that). Now it was crucial in this tournament, specially against Macedonia where we had to put a simple half court offence - we saw what happened. Last two (and most important) games showed Kemzura can't control the team as a coach, including wrong game style, bad rotation, weak defence. Defence is also one of the keys in the tournament, but if last year it seemed like Kemzura is the specialist of defence, this year our zone defence where pathetic. Kemzura had no Kleiza and Maciulis and that's one of the reason, but zone defence is not only about toughness and quickness right? It's more about how you communicate together. Defence was bad however you look. Another huge disadvantage - Kemzura's options. He cut most of our young talents and we speak about new generation since 2009...Now I have my clear statement - we need to stick with the new generation generally . Huge respect to legendary Šaras and Co., but it's time to move on and that never was so obvious. Judging this team as failure and Kemzura's tendency to ignore young players, I'm wishing new coach and, IMO, Kurtinaitis would be the best option.

Despite that, I agree that it's questionable call and it's only my position. For those who disagree I have to say I'm pretty sure Kemzura is staying, at least I could read that from the fresh interview of Balčiūnas. Unless Kemzura will say his own word as Kazlauskas did in 2001.

Straight forward
09-15-2011, 04:49 PM
I don't think this has been discuss enough as it should have been..
I haven't been reading all your guys posts but majority of discussion was about Motiejunas being cut while Gecevicius cut was somehow left in the silence..
even Seibitus cut had more attention then Gecevicius..

Kemzura underrated him at the second half of the tournament in 2010 and the cut of Gecevičius this year was a clear mistake while Delininkaitis couldn't deliver and he's old, while taking Gecevičius could probably help as with these "shooting struggling" games and it would be investment for the future. Easy to talk post facto though.

Hepcat
09-15-2011, 05:29 PM
From the younger players only Valanciunas can give some good results for us.Another promising player is of course Motiejunas,who in my opinion should've been taken to our NT instead of either Petravicius or Lavrinovic.We have some more young players that could've been better than lets say Delininkaitis.For example Gecevicius.He's only 23,will play for Olympiakos this season and before that he was the leader of Lietuvos Rytas.

Not to mention Renaldas Seibutis who was the MVP of the 2005 World U21 Championships won by Lithuania and who is now in his prime.

:cool:

turk-jugoslav
09-15-2011, 05:42 PM
Not to mention Renaldas Seibutis who was the MVP of the 2005 World U21 Championships won by Lithuania and who is now in his prime.

:cool:

Probably you know,Ronaldas Seibutis played last season in Turkey and He had very good matches against our Euroleague teams and He was the top scorer in our league.He also was in first 3 in assists... He has the way to improve his game and He can be important scorer for Lithuania.He reminds me Bo McCalleb... Of course not playing style, his story reminds me McCalleb:) McCalleb played in Turkish league and transfered to Partizan and He became one of the best Euroleague players... Seibutis transfered To Zalgiris and maybe he will have similar story:)

Marty
09-15-2011, 05:50 PM
Seibutis transfered To Zalgiris and maybe he will have similar story:)
he will play in lietuvos rytas

Hepcat
09-15-2011, 06:01 PM
McCalleb played in Turkish league and transfered to Partizan and He became one of the best Euroleague players... Seibutis transfered To Zalgiris and maybe he will have similar story:)

I certainly hope so. Seibutis may have made quite the difference for the Lithuanian team this year too.

:(

One thing's for sure though. Given the importance of these classification games, the schedulers should have given the losers of the quarterfinals an extra day to rest and get their heads together for another game after their tough losses.

:mad:

Darihno 5150
09-15-2011, 10:28 PM
Dragic poked the players that refused to play for Slovenian national team in his interview to the serbian press.

jotabilber
09-15-2011, 10:46 PM
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg863/scaled.php?tn=0&server=863&filename=vzlf.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg738/scaled.php?tn=0&server=738&filename=r01pq.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

This is the action made by a mediocre player with a superstar ego. Anyone who played this sport knows that this is to do harm to the other player. Bye Goran, good travel loser.

LuDux
09-16-2011, 08:02 AM
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg863/scaled.php?tn=0&server=863&filename=vzlf.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg738/scaled.php?tn=0&server=738&filename=r01pq.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

This is the action made by a mediocre player with a superstar ego. Anyone who played this sport knows that this is to do harm to the other player. Bye Goran, good travel loser.

reMarcable!

Joško Poljak Fan
09-16-2011, 09:23 AM
Last two days the most common expression I use, I the famous Erazem Lorbek's: "Have you ever hold the ball in your hand actually?" :D

Please, stuff like this happen. I'd get a few years of sentence if I wanted to fight everyone that once strained my ankle like that :rolleyes:

Now do watch video with Marc Gasol and Javtokas, over and over again and realise what have you just said about him actualy. Or you have some words as an excuse in that case? :D
Some fans compensate pure lack of any knowledge of basketball with the emotions shown by their players. I know majority (excuse me those regular Spanish posters here, you know I apreciate you more than that) of Spanish fans believes Spain was one of the most robbed teams in 2005-2009 period, right? :D


As far as i am concerned after this game I don't resent anything to any of the guys. Choking? should have use the Lorbek's saying once again. I prefer players that play even if they lose the ball to players that don't lose the ball, but only cause they're afraid to play and won't do anything anyway.
They did their (that's not Maljković's...) best, fought and afterall eventhough it was not a beauty, showed the best performance on this tournament so far. Once again we've had a terrible quarter, but I guess we should all be used to it so far.


Now the worse part.... the last action was a high school fluke. The action was meant for Ožbolt, he got single block only, not to mention it was damn clear to Kalnietis (I believe it was him) to cover him towards the 3 pointer... obviously that was THE only first pass option :rolleyes:
My beloved Boža, eventhough we're a small nation and by your belief we should carry you on our hands due to this "succes" and listen to further Split and Limoges history lessons, U14 and U16 local teams get raped constantly with better last second finish set plays...
I know now, why he was so afraid to take a timeout.

I respect his work in the past... but excuses such as:
-Slovenia is a small nation and should consider every top8 as a succes ( :D explain that philosophy to Lithuania that wanted a medal)
-Players didn't want to play (those same were missing in 2009 along with Smodiš and Dragič injured in the process)
-This team doesn't have the talent to achieve something (it's not the most talented on the championship, but once again in 2009 they've shown loads of it)

Great coach should never set up as petty excuses. Maljković - be gone as far as you can.

Alyosha12
09-16-2011, 10:26 AM
Dragic poked the players that refused to play for Slovenian national team in his interview to the serbian press.

What did he say, do you have a link?:)

jotabilber
09-16-2011, 10:59 AM
quoted post deleted.

It´s shame that your nationalism don´t let you to see an pork action to hurt Calde. I think Goran put their foot over him, and it´s also clear seeing spanish players reaction after that play. On the contrary I´ve not problem to recognise Marc is dirty in many plays, and he should think is permitted to him for be brother of his brother. And he looks like retarded :p

...

Alyosha12
09-16-2011, 12:08 PM
Now now why don't you get all that sand out of your vaggoo... I just call em like i see em...

Anyway if you had ever held a basketball in your hands (you know thats that orange round thing, that the players try to shoot in the big ring) you'd know that that move by Dragic was not intentional, and that landing on a players foot is very normal in such situations.

And if you were not such a blind homer you would see that calderon was the one jumping forward and landing on Dragic's leg and it was not dragic who slid the foot under him. Had he done so his foot would be over the 3pt line. ...

Joško Poljak Fan
09-16-2011, 12:17 PM
@Jotabilber; just as I said about the reaction of Spanish players in my previous post. How do you believe the rest of the Europe rates those in general? From a neutral perspective if you would like, whenever their team is not involved?