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JGX
09-12-2011, 01:16 AM
The tournament didn't end yesterday :)

DR gets their long-awaited win over PR in the third-place game, 103-89.

Argentina up 35-27 on Brazil at halftime...game is actually on ESPN2 in the US. Fran Fraschilla and everything.

Dtown
09-12-2011, 01:17 AM
Basically pride games, but entertaining none the less. It makes me wonder if ESPN2 will show the Eurobasket final.

tres equis
09-12-2011, 01:22 AM
Congratulations to the dominicans, you guys deserve the bronce medal , puerto rico obviously didn't came to play tonigh...it was embarrassing honestly the way they played.

JGX
09-12-2011, 01:23 AM
It makes me wonder if ESPN2 will show the Eurobasket final.

It's in my program guide for 12:30 AM on the 19th, so I guess they'll show it on tape. I hope it'll still be available live on ESPN3.

They're showing the DR-PR game at midnight.

JGX
09-12-2011, 02:05 AM
So Argentina's tactics with the full team are pretty much the same as with the weakened team...give the ball to Scola.

Duncan
09-12-2011, 02:08 AM
Enjoy this victory Argentina, because it will be your last for a looooooong time. On the other hand, Brazil has a nice crop of young players plus Nene[maybe], Barbosa, and Varajao waiting in the wings!

Forza Brasil!!!!!!

Dtown
09-12-2011, 02:15 AM
Congrats to Argentina, if this is their last moment in the sun, at least they did it in style and in front of a home crowd. :)

Federoy
09-12-2011, 02:33 AM
Fantastic gold medal game to cap-off a great tournament. Congrats to Argentina. They were the more composed team down the stretch in a game that see-sawed for most of the 40 minutes. Although Argentina gutted it out for the win, this was a game Brazil had firm control of through much of the 3rd quarter, but once again, as in last year's loss to the US and Argentina at the WC, late game execution failed them again. Despite that, kudos to the Brazilians for going into a hostile environment and nearly defeating the Argentines on their homecourt. There's no shame in second place under the circumstances.

tres equis
09-12-2011, 02:42 AM
Congratulations to Argentina and Brazil! for having a great tournament and qualifying for the olympic games.

Kutsuit
09-12-2011, 03:28 AM
Hello. :)

Call me crazy but I sat through the whole game and it's now almost 6 AM around here. I guess that's what happens when you're bored, LOL. I really must fix my sleeping pattern, before university starts again. :p

Anyway, I watched the game and I must say it was quite entertaining, especially near the end of the 4th quarter. If you read anything stupid from my match analysis, please forgive me, as I'm still not familiarized with basketball. I follow up with the sport from time to time, and I do love my Boston Celtics, but I'm not really a basketball 'expert'. :p

One thing I've really noticed about the Argentinian players is that they are very slow at times. Basketball is a fast-paced game; that's the nature of the sport. But of course, there are different grades of speed, and the Argentinians performed at the lower end of the scale throughout all 4 quarters, in my opinion. But they got their win, and that's mostly due to their excellent clinical finishing (PS: please excuse my soccer terminologies).

In my opinion, the Brazilian players were much faster with the ball. They passed it around a lot and, subsequently, they were more efficient in penetrating through Argentina's three-point line and into the 'key'. Their quickness also meant they had more time to create chances, when they possessed the ball. For instance, it took the Brazilian players no more than 4 seconds to reach Argentina's half of the basketball court. That gave them at least 20 seconds to string an attack. Argentina, on the other hand, took their sweet time to reach Brazil's end. And when they got there, they mostly passed the ball back, as though they were regrouping or something. I didn't really like it. It was nice, soft basketball, which was easy on the eye, but for some reason it didn't feel right. Brazil's attacking display was more exciting to watch, and it felt energizing. Maybe I'm just imagining things. :p

Nevertheless, Argentina's experience and fabulous fan support made them seal the victory. Their finishing was also better. Oberto was one of the few Argentinian players who knew how to penetrate Brazil's defensive zones and Scola was Argentina's lifeline. As for Kammerichs, he only stood out because of his mustache. :p

Anyway, congratulations to Argentina for getting the gold medal. The Brazilians shouldn't feel too heartbroken by this defeat. I believe their youngsters have a bright future ahead of themselves. :)

asdzas
09-12-2011, 01:15 PM
Congrats to Argentina, altought is ''sad'' to see a great team, like they were, in the end of their prime. Playing at home, and with all their players, they had a lot of trouble to beat all the other teams who missed a lot of important players.Let's see what they can do next year...If they play like this, not much.


Brazil...well, we improved a lot with Magnano, good defense, playing like a team..and I know that Nene, Leandrinho, Varej„o don't deserve to be on the team(only Varejao deserves it), but without them we have no chance against top teams, no chance at all...let's see what Magnano will decide about them.

Ciscorlie Horford
09-12-2011, 01:46 PM
does the positive doping of Bimo Carmona put in jeopady the Puerto Rican Qualification to the Olympic Qualifier now? or will Fiba not strip Puerto Rico their fourth place and give the spot for the World-Wide Olympic Qualifier to Uguruay?

can someone find some information about this if any of you could, please?

on hindsight, when Carmona made the Puerto Rican team last cut, right away the first thing I thought was he is going to get a positive doping test on that tournament. I just saw coming from a mile away, I don't understand whose decision was to give a spot on the team to someone who's always had drug problems, and knowing that he has done it like 3 times already.


att. I'm glad the cheaters lost the gold medal. Good prevails evil was defeated and the world is restored back to its natural balance

guilherme.rcf
09-12-2011, 02:51 PM
After the game I was like: Well, Nice to see Argentina winning this one. They deserve it, they are a great team. Once it is finished, I just don't care about this medal.

Our final was against Rep. Dominicana.

GustavoGanso
09-12-2011, 09:45 PM
Argentina deserved the victory, they need to celebrate with his people! ;)

Duncan
09-13-2011, 12:30 AM
Screw them, they got a lot of home cooking calls, and will get no where at the Olympics. No young players of any worth coming thru either

On the other hand, Brazil was 1-1 against them in Argentina, with all the so-called golden generation playing against a Brazil team without 3 of their best players. Plus, a lot of promising younger players coming thru.

If the "other 3" are let on the team by Magnano, Brazil will make noise at the Olympics.

So, the future looks pretty good for the Selecao right now. For Argentina, I am afraid not.

I really hope PR and the Dominican R. can make a good showing at the qualifiers next year!

carlo
09-13-2011, 06:45 AM
Tournament All Stars team:

Luis Scola (ARG) MVP
Manu Ginobili (ARG)
Marcelinho Huertas (BR)
Carlos Arroyo (PUR)
Al Horford (DOM)

Mojado
09-13-2011, 08:17 AM
Congrats to Argentina, altought is ''sad'' to see a great team, like they were, in the end of their prime. Playing at home, and with all their players, they had a lot of trouble to beat all the other teams who missed a lot of important players.Let's see what they can do next year...If they play like this, not much.


Brazil...well, we improved a lot with Magnano, good defense, playing like a team..and I know that Nene, Leandrinho, Varej„o don't deserve to be on the team(only Varejao deserves it), but without them we have no chance against top teams, no chance at all...let's see what Magnano will decide about them.

I dont want to see Nene on the team. The rumours were, that he took "enhancement pills" and faked an injury back then to be not included in Istanbul, otherwise he would have tested positive. (That comes from tow Brazilian journalists that I've met there).

Varejao is always good for the Olympics. If the Russian cheerleaders going to be there as well, he will be scoring a lot in their bed-room. Same with Leandrinho :D

Marcelinho Machado was the X-factor to me. Great clutch shooter. And no young gun. Also, Hettsheimer did a great job, he is the future of Brazilian hoops.

Dominicans on the other hand should change the coach and get someone, that knows the international game. Playing man-to-man defense on weak legs...

Mojado
09-13-2011, 08:18 AM
Tournament All Stars team:

Luis Scola (ARG) MVP
Manu Ginobili (ARG)
Marcelinho Huertas (BR)
Carlos Arroyo (PUR)
Al Horford (DOM)


Replace Horford with Martinez. I think he did the most for DR.

asdzas
09-13-2011, 02:22 PM
I dont want to see Nene on the team. The rumours were, that he took "enhancement pills" and faked an injury back then to be not included in Istanbul, otherwise he would have tested positive. (That comes from tow Brazilian journalists that I've met there).

Varejao is always good for the Olympics. If the Russian cheerleaders going to be there as well, he will be scoring a lot in their bed-room. Same with Leandrinho :D

Marcelinho Machado was the X-factor to me. Great clutch shooter. And no young gun. Also, Hettsheimer did a great job, he is the future of Brazilian hoops.

Dominicans on the other hand should change the coach and get someone, that knows the international game. Playing man-to-man defense on weak legs...

I saw the moment he injured his back..if he faked he is a very good actor hahaha..but I don't want him on team too..but I know he is our best best player. Some players like Alex Garcia are very clear..they don't want him on the team..some others leave the door open for his comeback. The players already said they count on Leandrinho and Varej„o for next year.

The man who will make the decision about Nene, is Magnano...let's see what he will do..The most important thing is to do what is the best for the future of brazilian baskeball..That Nene is an idiot, no doubt about it...but if the team wants to compete with the best, they need him. Splitter played very poorly this tournament. Lot of injured players..Varej„o,Leandrinho, Murilo Becker..new players like Larry Tayor(very talented PG,who just got his brazilian citizenship)..and Nene..Magnano will have some tough decisions to do.


I think they should give Callipari another chance..he improved their attitude as a team..and he will learn how to play international game. They lack some depth to rotate the team.

Ciscorlie Horford
09-13-2011, 05:42 PM
Tournament All Stars team:

Luis Scola (ARG) MVP
Manu Ginobili (ARG)
Marcelinho Huertas (BR)
Carlos Arroyo (PUR)
Al Horford (DOM)

Vasquez didn't make the team :eek:
Scolas mvp :eek::eek::eek:

GustavoGanso
09-17-2011, 04:50 AM
I dont want to see Nene on the team. The rumours were, that he took "enhancement pills" and faked an injury back then to be not included in Istanbul, otherwise he would have tested positive. (That comes from tow Brazilian journalists that I've met there).

Varejao is always good for the Olympics. If the Russian cheerleaders going to be there as well, he will be scoring a lot in their bed-room. Same with Leandrinho :D

Marcelinho Machado was the X-factor to me. Great clutch shooter. And no young gun. Also, Hettsheimer did a great job, he is the future of Brazilian hoops.

Dominicans on the other hand should change the coach and get someone, that knows the international game. Playing man-to-man defense on weak legs...

the other history, its Nene's american wife had problems with her passport to get into Turkey...

its an rumor, no one know exactly about this.... but he was not injuried, this is 100% true.

with him, we could finished in 1st Group position in WC, and made semi-finals against Lithuania... buuuuuuuuuuut, this is the life, idiot problems, questions... and who lose with this is us, fans, supporters of brazilian basketball... more white hairs! :D:(

Calipari was fine, did a good job, better than last coach did in 2009.


Vasquez didn't make the team :eek:
Scolas mvp :eek::eek::eek:

agreed... Vasquez out not was fine to me too.