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J-Mart
09-08-2011, 10:41 AM
Brazil
.vs.
Dominican Republic

Argentina
.vs.
Puerto Rico

tres equis
09-09-2011, 03:00 AM
Brazil
.vs.
Dominican Republic

Argentina
.vs.
Puerto Rico

DR+3
PR+2

Why not? :D....

Ciscorlie Horford
09-09-2011, 03:09 AM
Brazil
.vs.
Dominican Republic

Argentina
.vs.
Puerto Rico

DR+3
PR+2

Why not? :D....

let's make it happen.

a Caribbean final. and in that game once we both get to 50 points each we stop playing so they have to give the gold medal to both teams :) can that happened?

Dtown
09-09-2011, 03:52 AM
Should be damn good, though they'd normally be the underdogs DR straight up beat Brazil and Puerto Rico lost a competitive game to them.

So Caribbean vs South America for the Olympics. Winners go to London, losers get to deal with some angry Europeans in an undisclosed location (read: probably in Europe) :cool:

I'm gonna go with the upset
Puerto Rico shocks Argentina by 1

but south american revenge Brazil gets payback against the Dominican Republic by 3.

Argentina though makes the Olympics...cause you just can't kill them that easy. :p

tres equis
09-09-2011, 04:12 AM
Should be damn good, though they'd normally be the underdogs DR straight up beat Brazil and Puerto Rico lost a competitive game to them.

So Caribbean vs South America for the Olympics. Winners go to London, losers get to deal with some angry Europeans in an undisclosed location (read: probably in Europe) :cool:

I'm gonna go with the upset
Puerto Rico shocks Argentina by 1

but south american revenge Brazil gets payback against the Dominican Republic by 3.

Argentina though makes the Olympics...cause you just can't kill them that easy. :p

Puerto Rico, Rusia and Turkey so far, wants to host the pre olympic tournament if they don't make it to london.

And yes they probably are going to give it to europe:mad:...like always!! dammit...

J-Mart
09-09-2011, 10:54 AM
DR wanted Brazil, but, they are no match, Brazil by 12


I wanted Argentina, I got Argentina... Puerto Rico by 6

saalsapr
09-09-2011, 05:18 PM
Dominican Republic beats Brazil if the brazilians dont make 15 threes and Francisco Garcia stops those dumb turnovers.

Puerto Rico well, put the players to watch the video of how Argentina beat us by 35 points in the second round, and then we crashed their party in the gold medal match back in FIBA Americas 1995.

Make them old men run and defend them like never before.:D

Ciscorlie Horford
09-09-2011, 05:44 PM
Dominican Republic beats Brazil if the brazilians dont make 15 threes and Francisco Garcia stops those dumb turnovers.

Dominican Republic beats Brazil if Francisco Garcia makes 15 threes and Charlie Villanueva stops those dumb turnovers.

FIXED

Dtown
09-10-2011, 10:41 PM
39-36 Brazil at half time. Anybody's game. :D

JGX
09-10-2011, 10:52 PM
I'd love to see Coach Cal pull this out...have a bad feeling that Marcelinho has a few more impossible threes left in him though.

JGX
09-10-2011, 11:22 PM
LOL at Martinez yelling at the ref while shooting free throws.

LOLx2 at Brazil running the same play every time when Martinez is in the game.

Ciscorlie Horford
09-10-2011, 11:48 PM
wow we just got robbed

what a disgusting game! wow just wow

I am in complete shock

JGX
09-11-2011, 12:01 AM
Good run by the Dominicans but realistically they're the fourth-best team in the tournament. If the surprises keep coming in Eurobasket there might be a chance for them to pull off an upset at the qualifying tournament next year.

tres equis
09-11-2011, 12:11 AM
Congratulations brazil, the refs gave you the game!

Dtown
09-11-2011, 12:29 AM
props to the Brazilians for their first Olympics since 1996, but I can't help but feel bad for the Dominicans so close again.

zik013
09-11-2011, 12:34 AM
the key moment was the not given 24s violation on Marquinho's shot... the 3 by Marcelinho followed :(

TDW
09-11-2011, 01:00 AM
Congratulations to Brazil.

GustavoGanso
09-11-2011, 01:06 AM
REVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENGEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! like I said!!!! :cool:

against Dominicians, against argentinean fans, against refs, against the world!!!!!! :p:p:p

congrats to RD players and fans from this forum... good people, but the other people from www.dominicanosenbasket.com are sux, they made jokes about brazilian players after 1st round victory (79-74) and now recieve this punishment by god! :D

GustavoGanso
09-11-2011, 01:15 AM
duplicate no intentional

Dtown
09-11-2011, 01:18 AM
Just 20 minutes left can Puerto Rico hang on? :)

Dtown
09-11-2011, 02:10 AM
Stupid forum difficulties! :mad:

Wow epic game. But what the hell Puerto Rico, just refused to foul cost them 14 seconds.

Congrats to Argentina, the old men just will not die.

TDW
09-11-2011, 02:19 AM
Stupid forum difficulties! :mad:

Wow epic game. But what the hell Puerto Rico, just refused to foul cost them 14 seconds.

Congrats to Argentina, the old men just will not die.

I almost cried when that happened, no excuse for that!!!

Silvio A.
09-11-2011, 02:31 AM
great game by Puerto Rico!!
Excellent team with very good player (Santiago, Barea, Arroyo etc..)
and with big chances to win the 2012 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament also with player like Vassallo, Peavy, Ramos etc...now injured.

Barea missed the shoot for the win :(

P.S.: disgraceful refereeing :(

GustavoGanso
09-11-2011, 04:00 AM
I almost cried when that happened, no excuse for that!!!

lol

that was a very idiot... great game by the way...

Puerto Rico complete have conditions to win their spot next year in World Pre-Olympic...

RD i don't know.. maybe.

saalsapr
09-11-2011, 04:11 AM
great game by Puerto Rico!!
Excellent team with very good player (Santiago, Barea, Arroyo etc..)
and with big chances to win the 2012 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament also with player like Vassallo, Peavy, Ramos etc...now injured.

Barea missed the shoot for the win :(

P.S.: disgraceful refereeing :(

Other than Scolas constant noncalled elbows, ref where good, and most importantly gave us a chance to win the game, no excuse.

I think we are good for the repechage. Historically, we always get outrebounded even by fellow caribbean teams. Even with Santiago out, teams like DR couldnt outrebound us, that is a great sign for when we face europeans, as they would kill us with second chance points in the past.

Go Puerto Rico!!!

tres equis
09-11-2011, 04:17 AM
Congratulations to argentina, and good game by puerto rico, i hope we can bounce back and qualify for london next year!

TDW
09-11-2011, 04:32 AM
I forgot to congratulate Argentina, Congratulations!!!

And yes, we do have a good chance in the World Qualifying tournament considering there are 3 spots. Will be very hard since Europeans teams are tough and African teams always give us trouble.

Duncan
09-11-2011, 05:27 AM
DR fans need to quit crying. You shot more freethrows than Brazil, got every call in the paint, and still lost. Just not good enough, nothing to do with the refs

CKR13
09-11-2011, 09:56 AM
Congratulations to Argentina as well. One more run for this amazing generation.

DanMajerle
09-11-2011, 10:43 AM
PR has a chance, but not a big one next year. They're not consistent enough to leave two of Spain/Lithuania/France/Russia/Greece/Serbia/Slovenia behind them, plus Angola and Dominican Republic are contenders too.

TDW
09-11-2011, 01:59 PM
PR has a chance, but not a big one next year. They're not consistent enough to leave two of Spain/Lithuania/France/Russia/Greece/Serbia/Slovenia behind them, plus Angola and Dominican Republic are contenders too.

Who do you mean by "They"? We were pretty consistent except for the game agaist Brazil who played beautifully that game.

Yes our chance is not big, but we are missing 5 players that played on the WBC, if they play, I like our chances.

JGX
09-11-2011, 03:16 PM
Just when I thought the curse of Athens was being lifted...Carlos Arroyo showed up.

Silvio A.
09-11-2011, 05:06 PM
Who do you mean by "They"? We were pretty consistent except for the game agaist Brazil who played beautifully that game.

Yes our chance is not big, but we are missing 5 players that played on the WBC, if they play, I like our chances.

who are?

GustavoGanso
09-11-2011, 05:20 PM
DR fans need to quit crying. You shot more freethrows than Brazil, got every call in the paint, and still lost. Just not good enough, nothing to do with the refs

100% agreed.

we had 2 players with 5 fouls (Giovannoni and Hettsheimeir) and more 2 players with 4... we won against refs and all people! :D:p

cardenales
09-11-2011, 06:44 PM
Are players missing for this Tournament of The Americas are:

Are starting front court:

Angel Vasallo SF, Nathan Peavey PF and Peter John Ramos P

The backup: Carmelo Lee SF

Our back up shooting guard and most probable starting shooting guard: David Huertas.

Best big man prospect that should be in this team: Angel Piwi Garcia

Angel Vasallo, Nahtan Peavey, Peter John Ramos Angel Garcia and David Huertas should be in the team for sure.

Others that could be in the team, this ones have really a big shot to be in the team are:

Mike Rosario Combo guard
Jorge Brian Diaz Pivot

For this tournament at least, but not sure for the olympic qualifer next year were:

Richard Chaney
Ramon Clemente
Victor Davila


Still many players missed, and we had a good tournament.
Puerto Rico highlight of this tournament was the DEFENSE
Even thoe with all the absentees we had in the tournament are bench was very solid, they really did a good job in every game.

weakness: Offense

I think that we have a good shot for next year olympic qualifier.

cardenales
09-11-2011, 06:47 PM
Another big player missing for this tournament was Guillermo Diaz.

JGX
09-11-2011, 06:48 PM
PR has a chance, but not a big one next year.

Ivory Coast and Trinidad didn't make it to the qualifying tournament so that improves their odds.

PR may have been missing some players this year, but where's the evidence that they play any better with those guys in the squad? I thought they played well at this tournament.

cardenales
09-11-2011, 06:54 PM
We played well in this tournament but the players missing will gave us more offense that is really what we need in this tournament. Carlos Arroyo, JJ Barea and Daniel Santiago were are only true offensive weapons in this tournament because Alex Galindo and Ricky Sanchez did not score as it was expected from them to be. Plus the players missing are most consistent that the ones that were in this team. Defense is what really this team did very well and team played but with the new coaching staff that we have now, which is by far a lot better than last years with Manolo, with the players missing we would perform a lot better and the ticket to London will be in our hands for sure.

Now, I just have to hope that all the players needed for the next year qualifying tournament will be in good health condition for the tournament.

saalsapr
09-11-2011, 08:01 PM
Ivory Coast and Trinidad didn't make it to the qualifying tournament so that improves their odds.

PR may have been missing some players this year, but where's the evidence that they play any better with those guys in the squad? I thought they played well at this tournament.

Well would you rather win by 10 against Uruguay and by 5 against Canada>

Or would you rather beat those teams by 17 and 20 points respectively (like we did back in 09 without Peavy, Balkman and Barea)?

Would you rather lose by 22 against Brazil and by 2 against a probably washed up Argentina?

Or would you rather lose by 3 in a questionable game against Greece and by 2 against silver world medalist Turkey without Arroyo?

Not to mention the biggest change we could have made since Turkey(coach Flor for the cheerleader)

This team will be so good I bet we beat the europeans (depending on who they are) by 10-20 points. To say right now they look better because they crushed Panama and Paraguay, and barely beat Canada and Uruguay is crazy.

saalsapr
09-11-2011, 08:34 PM
You say Brazil needs their NBA to be better, but the only guy they really need is Tiago, cause he bring offense and defense. Varejao brings defense, but his offense is almost non existant, Leandro can shoot, but he cant play the defense Giovanni plays. Nene's fat:D

Until the Gold Medal match of 2009, Brazil had not beaten Puerto Rico in a Fiba Americas competition this past decade. Not even when they won gold in 2005 and both teams had sent their B teams.

Why did I bring Brazil to this conversation? Cause everyone says: "Oh if Brazil had their NBA's in this squad they would be even better". Heres reality, back in 2007 we beat Brazil by 22 points after losing to Argentina, Uruguay, and Mexico. We crushed Brazil even with Leandro, Nene, and Splitter.

Now was Puerto Rico that much better than Brazil back then? No, on paper Brazil was clearly better than team Puerto Rico who had no bench.

Was it an inexperience problem from Brazil? No, Barbosa and co had already played in Fiba Americas before, and Barbosa was in his NBA prime.

Was it because of coaching problems? You got that right. Brazil actually played better without their coach in the bronze medal game than they did with their coach in the second round.

Same story goes for Puerto Rico. Do they have a better squad than the one in Turkey? This shouldnt even be a question.

Is it that the players of this team give more for their country than the ones from the A team? Hell no, Vassallo always had a puerto rican symbol, even when playing in Vtech and dominated Brazil almsot by himself in 09. Peavy was raising his hands everytime one of his teamates made a clutch shot and like Balkman, he shows a lot of passion every game. Huertas always said he wanted to participate with the NT. Only questionable one is Ramos:D

Could it possibly be that this team then, much like Brazil could have possibly looked better now even with a weaker team, thanks to changing a coach that cant even keep a job in the BSN, for a coach whose won titles in various leagues, and has a history of coaching National teams? I think so.

JGX
09-11-2011, 09:08 PM
Would you rather lose by 22 against Brazil and by 2 against a probably washed up Argentina?

Or would you rather lose by 3 in a questionable game against Greece and by 2 against silver world medalist Turkey without Arroyo?

Or lose to Ivory Coast in the most important game of the tournament...or lose to Trinidad & Tobago (!!!)?

Losing by 2 on the road against "washed up" Argentina is a good result...the glorious 2009 team only split with an understrength Argentina at home, and the legendary 2010 team did much worse than a similarly weakened Argentina team at the WC.


I do agree that Arroyo doesn't add much to the team these days.


This team will be so good I bet we beat the europeans (depending on who they are) by 10-20 points.

I will take the European teams plus 15 points. We can figure out the terms of the bet over the next year.

saalsapr
09-11-2011, 09:26 PM
Or lose to Ivory Coast in the most important game of the tournament...or lose to Trinidad & Tobago (!!!)?

Losing by 2 on the road against "washed up" Argentina is a good result...the glorious 2009 team only split with an understrength Argentina at home, and the legendary 2010 team did much worse than a similarly weakened Argentina team at the WC.


I do agree that Arroyo doesn't add much to the team these days.



I will take the European teams plus 15 points. We can figure out the terms of the bet over the next year.

Dude against T&T we where without half of the team, not to mention the bad conditions on the court practically made it a 50-50 game.

No excuse for the Ivory Coast loss, Manolo's just a dumbass.

Silvio A.
09-11-2011, 10:18 PM
Are players missing for this Tournament of The Americas are:

Are starting front court:

Angel Vasallo SF, Nathan Peavey PF and Peter John Ramos P

The backup: Carmelo Lee SF

Our back up shooting guard and most probable starting shooting guard: David Huertas.

Best big man prospect that should be in this team: Angel Piwi Garcia

Angel Vasallo, Nahtan Peavey, Peter John Ramos Angel Garcia and David Huertas should be in the team for sure.

Others that could be in the team, this ones have really a big shot to be in the team are:

Mike Rosario Combo guard
Jorge Brian Diaz Pivot

For this tournament at least, but not sure for the olympic qualifer next year were:

Richard Chaney
Ramon Clemente
Victor Davila


Still many players missed, and we had a good tournament.
Puerto Rico highlight of this tournament was the DEFENSE
Even thoe with all the absentees we had in the tournament are bench was very solid, they really did a good job in every game.

weakness: Offense

I think that we have a good shot for next year olympic qualifier.

another great player is Rick Apodaca

GustavoGanso
09-11-2011, 11:47 PM
You say Brazil needs their NBA to be better, but the only guy they really need is Tiago, cause he bring offense and defense. Varejao brings defense, but his offense is almost non existant, Leandro can shoot, but he cant play the defense Giovanni plays. Nene's fat:D

Until the Gold Medal match of 2009, Brazil had not beaten Puerto Rico in a Fiba Americas competition this past decade. Not even when they won gold in 2005 and both teams had sent their B teams.

Why did I bring Brazil to this conversation? Cause everyone says: "Oh if Brazil had their NBA's in this squad they would be even better". Heres reality, back in 2007 we beat Brazil by 22 points after losing to Argentina, Uruguay, and Mexico. We crushed Brazil even with Leandro, Nene, and Splitter.

Now was Puerto Rico that much better than Brazil back then? No, on paper Brazil was clearly better than team Puerto Rico who had no bench.

Was it an inexperience problem from Brazil? No, Barbosa and co had already played in Fiba Americas before, and Barbosa was in his NBA prime.

Was it because of coaching problems? You got that right. Brazil actually played better without their coach in the bronze medal game than they did with their coach in the second round.

Same story goes for Puerto Rico. Do they have a better squad than the one in Turkey? This shouldnt even be a question.

Is it that the players of this team give more for their country than the ones from the A team? Hell no, Vassallo always had a puerto rican symbol, even when playing in Vtech and dominated Brazil almsot by himself in 09. Peavy was raising his hands everytime one of his teamates made a clutch shot and like Balkman, he shows a lot of passion every game. Huertas always said he wanted to participate with the NT. Only questionable one is Ramos:D

Could it possibly be that this team then, much like Brazil could have possibly looked better now even with a weaker team, thanks to changing a coach that cant even keep a job in the BSN, for a coach whose won titles in various leagues, and has a history of coaching National teams? I think so.

man

please don't talk crap

we won the final against complete Puerto Rico in his own home (2009) without Marquinhos and Nene Hilario.

that Brazil had a big internal problems, don't compare 2007 with 2011, today the team is WAY BETTER than that. ;)

TDW
09-11-2011, 11:53 PM
Or lose to Ivory Coast in the most important game of the tournament...or lose to Trinidad & Tobago (!!!)?

Losing by 2 on the road against "washed up" Argentina is a good result...the glorious 2009 team only split with an understrength Argentina at home, and the legendary 2010 team did much worse than a similarly weakened Argentina team at the WC.


I do agree that Arroyo doesn't add much to the team these days.



I will take the European teams plus 15 points. We can figure out the terms of the bet over the next year.

Arroyo was the best player in this tournament (for Puerto Rico) and you say he doesn't add much to the team?


who are?

PJ Ramos - Starting C in 2010

Angel Vasallo - Starting SG in 2010

Carmelo Lee - Starting SF in 2010

Nathan Peavy - Best PF in 2010 but Manolo decided to start Ricky Sanchez who should not even be in this team

Guillermo Diaz - Back up PG/SG in 2010

David Huertas - Back up SG in 2010

And actually there 6 players not 5

tres equis
09-12-2011, 01:19 AM
Congratulations to the dominicans, you guys deserve the bronce medal :), puerto rico obviously didn't came to play tonigh! :mad:...it was embarrassing honestly the way they played.

saalsapr
09-12-2011, 01:10 PM
man

please don't talk crap

we won the final against complete Puerto Rico in his own home (2009) without Marquinhos and Nene Hilario.

that Brazil had a big internal problems, don't compare 2007 with 2011, today the team is WAY BETTER than that. ;)

And Puerto Rico didnt have Barea, Peavy or Balkman:D

How am I talking crap about you guys, I went there with facts not BS.

Yes, big internal problems as in bad coach.:p

saalsapr
09-12-2011, 01:13 PM
Congratulations to the dominicans, you guys deserve the bronce medal :), puerto rico obviously didn't came to play tonigh! :mad:...it was embarrassing honestly the way they played.

The first half was embarrasing, second half the lead was reduced from 28 to 9. So they tried

saalsapr
09-12-2011, 01:18 PM
Arroyo was the best player in this tournament (for Puerto Rico) and you say he doesn't add much to the team?



PJ Ramos - Starting C in 2010

Angel Vasallo - Starting SG in 2010

Carmelo Lee - Starting SF in 2010

Nathan Peavy - Best PF in 2010 but Manolo decided to start Ricky Sanchez who should not even be in this team

Guillermo Diaz - Back up PG/SG in 2010

David Huertas - Back up SG in 2010

And actually there 6 players not 5

JGX probably still remembers Arroyo's crossover on Struddlemire.:D

Lee and Ricky shouldnt even be in Team A. Diaz should have been in this team as he is better than Mojica, but I would put Holland over him in the London Olympics.

Everybody else we really need, especially Vassallo since were not living or dying from three pointers anymore.

Andres Rodríguez is the real MVP of this tournament though.

JGX
09-12-2011, 01:31 PM
Dude against T&T we where without half of the team, not to mention the bad conditions on the court practically made it a 50-50 game.


The only guys you were missing that saw major playing time in the WC were Lee (who sucks), and Vassallo (how'd he do in France last season?), who's okay. Plus you had superstar Arroyo to balance out their absences...Arroyo/Barea/Ramos all played 35+ minutes.


rroyo was the best player in this tournament (for Puerto Rico) and you say he doesn't add much to the team?

Was it his 2-9 against Brazil in the last group game? Or his 6-17 in the semifinal? You can't seriously say that they played any worse at the WC last year once he got injured.

TDW
09-12-2011, 04:40 PM
Was it his 2-9 against Brazil in the last group game? Or his 6-17 in the semifinal? You can't seriously say that they played any worse at the WC last year once he got injured.

The tournament wasn't just 2 games, they played 10 games. Against Brazil nobody played well, Alamo and Balkman got their points in garbage time. Against Argentina he didn't shoot very well but played better defense than Barea and kept the team under control (as much as possible) while Barea on most games took bad shots ( Arroyo also tooks some bad shots but not as many).

Last year we lost by 9 against Ivory Coast and just won 1 game the whole tournament. Yes we played better even when we were missing 6 players of the WBC team. A center like PJ Ramos and shooters like Vasallo and Lee make life easier for PGs like Arroyo and Barea, we had none of that in this tournament.

Mojado
09-12-2011, 07:59 PM
Dont know about you guys, but I think JM Martinez was even better than Al "I'm trying to shoot one footed like Dirk" Horford in this tournament. Probably a big head-case, but a great player to me. Villanueva on the other hand...and the coach is also a joke. Man-to-man against Brazil...and Garcia guards the guards...smh

cardenales
09-13-2011, 03:49 PM
Brasil, does better without their NBA's stars.

Puerto Rico: Missed their frontcourt starters:

Carmelo Lee sf, should not be back in the team, his replacer should be John Holland who perform very well in his international debut.

Nathan Peavey PF

Peter John Ramos P

Back up foward, who should become the starting small forward, Angel Vasallo.

Sg David Huertas

Big man, Angel Luis Garcia, who has to be in the team from now on.

Others that could have a big shot for the America's Tournament are: Richard Chaney and Ramon Clemente.

Guillermo Diaz, should be at least in this tournament of America, even he is not set for the qualifier next year.

Others with chances to make the team next year are:

Mike Rosario, Jorge Brian Diaz and Victor Davila.

We had five important players missing (Peavey, Ramos, Vasallo, Huertas and Garcia) that should be in the team for this America's tournament.

cardenales
09-13-2011, 03:59 PM
Mike Rosario, Jorge Brian Diaz, Victor Davila (this three players did not receive permision from their NCAA college, but if they were given permision they would make the team), Richard Chaney and Ramon Clemente should be in this team that went to the America's Tournament if they show up to practice. In this team, they should be in for Javier Mojica, Alejandro Carmona, Manuel Narvaez , Alex Galindo and Ricky Sanchez.

This team will be looking like this:

JJ Barea 5"10"
Andres Rodriguez 5"10"
Carlos Arroyo 6"2"
Mike Rosario 6"3"
John Holland 6"6"
Richard Chaney 6"5"
Ramon Clemente 6"6"
Renaldo Balkman 6"7"
Daniel Santiago 7"1"
Jorge Brian Diaz 6"11"
Victor Davila 6"8"
Angel Alamo 6"9"

This team was even better than the one we sent.

Ciscorlie Horford
09-13-2011, 05:36 PM
every team epcet for Venezuela, Cuba, Paraguay and Argentina was missing a lot of players including Brazil
one thing to consider is that you can only have 12 players on your roters

cardenales
09-14-2011, 04:48 AM
Silvio A, Rick Apodaca was an excellent basketball player but he already past his prime.

You r right, Horford, but Puerto Rico was the team that was missing the most players.

Mojado
09-14-2011, 10:00 AM
I dont think Puerto Rico would have done better with the missing players. There are too many ego's to be pleased in the team. Lee, Peavy, Ramos, G.Diaz, Vassallo, Huertas...they all want playing time. And you cant have a 12-man-rotation. BTW: Rosario tore his ACL in Brazil. Dont think that he will be back in time for the senior national team. Even if, he wont play, since he has to play college first.

cardenales
09-14-2011, 08:06 PM
Mojado, it was not Rosario who get hurt in Brasil, it was Fontan.

Its true about the egos of those players, but still in talent they are better than the ones who substitute them. Except Ramos, I still think that there are better choices than him for the national team.

If the players with their ego's can sacrifice for the team, then there would be big chances not only to win the qualifier but go big in the olympics.

saalsapr
09-16-2011, 05:09 PM
Mojado, it was not Rosario who get hurt in Brasil, it was Fontan.

Its true about the egos of those players, but still in talent they are better than the ones who substitute them. Except Ramos, I still think that there are better choices than him for the national team.

If the players with their ego's can sacrifice for the team, then there would be big chances not only to win the qualifier but go big in the olympics.

If we are taking about egos, I would say that Huertas, Vassallo, and Peavy would have no problem with their role.

Arroyo
Barea
Balkman
Ramos

Are the guys to worry about.

On court, well, the WC 2010 team averaged 16 assists per game against better competition. The FA 2011 averaged 15 assists per game, inluding 7 in the most important game of the Tournament against Argentina, so I dont think there will be much difference.