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Kings
08-28-2011, 09:28 AM
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PPG Bo Mccalebb: F.Y.R. of Macedonia 26.3
RPG Jack Martinez: Dominican Republic 13.8
APG Mantas Kalnietis: Lithuania 7.0
SPG Kim Tae Sool: South Korea 3.5
BPG Windi Graterol: Venezuela 2.0

Group A

Jul 2 Greece 107 Jordan 63 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/1/grid/A/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 3 Puerto Rico 93 Jordan 52 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/2/grid/A/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 4 Greece 98 Puerto Rico 84 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/3/grid/A/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)

Group B

Jul 2 Venezuela 71 Nigeria 69 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/1/grid/B/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 3 Lithuania 100 Venezuela 82 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/2/grid/B/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 4 Nigeria 86 Lithuania 80 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/3/grid/B/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)

Group C

Jul 2 Russia 91 South Korea 56 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/1/grid/C/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 3 Dominican Republic 95 South Korea 85 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/2/grid/C/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 4 Russia 84 Dominican Repubilc 69 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/3/grid/C/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)

Group D

Jul 2 Angola 88 F.Y.R. of Macedonia 84 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/1/grid/D/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 3 F.Y.R. of Macedonia 84 New Zealand 62 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/2/grid/D/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 4 New Zealand 68 Angola 64 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/3/grid/D/rid/9050/sid/6232/game.html)

1/4 Final

Jul 6 Russia 80 Angola 65 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/A/grid/15/rid/9051/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 6 Nigeria 80 Greece 79 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/A/grid/13/rid/9051/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 6 Dominican Republic 86 F.Y.R. of Macedonia 76 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/A/grid/16/rid/9051/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 6 Lithuania 76 Puerto Rico 72 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/A/grid/14/rid/9051/sid/6232/game.html)

1/2 Final

Jul 7 Russia 85 Nigeria 77 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/A/grid/17/rid/9052/sid/6232/game.html)
Jul 7 Lithuania 109 Dominican Republic 83 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/A/grid/18/rid/9052/sid/6232/game.html)

3rd to 4th Place

Jul 8 Nigeria 88 Dominican Republic 73 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/A/grid/19/rid/9053/sid/6232/game.html)





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PPG Jazmine Sepulveda: Puerto Rico 22.0
RPG Petra Kulichova: Czech Republic 16.0
APG Asami Yoshida: Japan 7.2
SPG Clarisse Machanguana: Mozambique 2.5
BPG Petra Kulichova: Czech Republic 4.3

Group A

Jun 25 Turkey 65 Puerto Rico 53 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/1/grid/A/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 26 Turkey 65 Japan 49 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/2/grid/A/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 27 Japan 79 Puerto Rico 70 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/3/grid/A/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)

Group B

Jun 25 Czech Republic 70 New Zealand 51 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/1/grid/B/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 26 Argentina 54 New Zealand 51 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/2/grid/B/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 27 Czech Republic 68 Argentina 54 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/3/grid/B/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)

Group C

Jun 25 Croatia 84 Mozambique 62 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/1/grid/C/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 26 South Korea 71 Mozambique 65 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/2/grid/C/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 27 Croatia 83 South Korea 75 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/3/grid/C/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)

Group D

Jun 25 Canada 89 Mali 23 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/1/grid/D/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 26 France 56 Canada 47 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/2/grid/D/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 27 France 87 Mali 33 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/3/grid/D/rid/9054/sid/6232/game.html)

1/4 Final

Jun 29 Croatia 59 Canada 56 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/A/grid/15/rid/9055/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 29 Czech Republic 53 Japan 47 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/A/grid/14/rid/9055/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 29 Turkey 72 Argentina 58 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/A/grid/13/rid/9055/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 29 France 80 South Korea 63 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/A/grid/16/rid/9055/sid/6232/game.html)

5th to 8th Place

Jun 30 Japan 79 South Korea 51 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/A/grid/18/rid/9056/sid/6232/game.html)
Jun 30 Canada 58 Argentina 41 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/A/grid/17/rid/9056/sid/6232/game.html)

5th to 6th Place

Jul 1 Canada 71 Japan 63 (http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/A/grid/19/rid/9057/sid/6232/game.html)

Dtown
08-28-2011, 04:18 PM
FIBA Africa:Tunisia and Nigeria



Perhaps a little premature here.

40-29 Tunisia at the moment...

edit: Definitely premature. Tunisia is your new champion of Africa, and Angola is off to this tournament.

usausa
08-29-2011, 02:53 PM
Perhaps a little premature here.

40-29 Tunisia at the moment...

edit: Definitely premature. Tunisia is your new champion of Africa, and Angola is off to this tournament.

lololol.

Angola got a tough road now...theyre going to have to beat at least 1 or 2 solid American and Euro sides to make it.

Franz
08-29-2011, 03:58 PM
I like the fact that a new team (from Africa) actually made it to the Olympics.

2log
09-05-2011, 10:54 PM
It's a long shot, but I hope that the Philippines makes it this year. It will be very difficult since only one slot is guaranteed for the Fiba Asia Champions, then only 2 slots for the #2 & 3 on the qualifying tournament. They should change slot allocations in the future. The mere size of Asia, the # of teams plus the fact that Asian teams have made noticeable improvements in recent years should earn us more slots in the world stage.

China may have dominated the Asian basketball scene for a long time but this is no longer the case. Other Asian teams are competitive at almost the same level and can dethrone China anytime. The list includes: Iran, South Korea, Lebanon, Philippines, Jordan, Qatar, Japan.

Mindozas
09-06-2011, 10:24 AM
They should change slot allocations in the future. The mere size of Asia, the # of teams plus the fact that Asian teams have made noticeable improvements in recent years should earn us more slots in the world stage.

How come is that? Asian teams won only 3 games outta 20 in last WC (2 against African teams, 1 vs Canada), where lot of teams of Europe or Americas even played without their key players...
In 2008 Olympics Iran lost all games heavily, only China managed to grab 2 wins with Yao and home crowd. In additional qualifiers before Olympics Asian teams lost all 4 games, few of them huuuge.

Somehow I miss that improvement :confused: We'll see how your teams will do in next year's qualifiers, if any of them will manage to qualify - it'll be a decent prove, but so far, sorry, you get what you've deserved ;)

2log
09-06-2011, 02:55 PM
How come is that? Asian teams won only 3 games outta 20 in last WC (2 against African teams, 1 vs Canada), where lot of teams of Europe or Americas even played without their key players...
In 2008 Olympics Iran lost all games heavily, only China managed to grab 2 wins with Yao and home crowd. In additional qualifiers before Olympics Asian teams lost all 4 games, few of them huuuge.

Somehow I miss that improvement :confused: We'll see how your teams will do in next year's qualifiers, if any of them will manage to qualify - it'll be a decent prove, but so far, sorry, you get what you've deserved ;)

I meant not to take any slots away from other continental groupings but to at least increase the slot to 2 for the top finishers of FIBA Asia Championships. Europe deserves the # of slots and wild card it gets for the WC and Olympics as it is the most competitive zone. The Americas aside from USA has about 2 or 3 teams that can vie for the top spot but is not as competitive as EuroBasket.

Asia has seen a boost for basketball in the past decade as before, China and maybe South Korea dominate the rest of the field, but now, there are at least 5 more teams that can seriously contend for the top spot. It may not be as big as an improvement to compete toe to toe with the top Euro teams but if you follow Asian basketball, you'll notice the big change. Giving us more chances to play on the world stage against better opponents would further help that development and growth of the sport in the biggest and most populated region. Allowing only 1 guaranteed slot from the Asian Championships and 2 for the qualifying tournament doesn't help.

J-Mart
09-08-2011, 10:44 AM
Venezuela is a win away from getting here. Today they play Uruguay.

Mindozas
09-08-2011, 12:12 PM
I meant not to take any slots away from other continental groupings but to at least increase the slot to 2 for the top finishers of FIBA Asia Championships. Europe deserves the # of slots and wild card it gets for the WC and Olympics as it is the most competitive zone. The Americas aside from USA has about 2 or 3 teams that can vie for the top spot but is not as competitive as EuroBasket.

Asia has seen a boost for basketball in the past decade as before, China and maybe South Korea dominate the rest of the field, but now, there are at least 5 more teams that can seriously contend for the top spot. It may not be as big as an improvement to compete toe to toe with the top Euro teams but if you follow Asian basketball, you'll notice the big change. Giving us more chances to play on the world stage against better opponents would further help that development and growth of the sport in the biggest and most populated region. Allowing only 1 guaranteed slot from the Asian Championships and 2 for the qualifying tournament doesn't help.

You see, there's no place for more. Europe gets only 2 direct places in Olympics, so 1 for Asia is all you can expect.
Btw, regarding groin' bball in continent, well it probably grown a bit throughout decade, you should know it better of course, but personally, I'm not sure if it's because China looks waaay worse without Yao or some other countries really made a step forward, hopefully they did, would like to see your continent more competitive on international scene

J-Mart
09-08-2011, 06:50 PM
Venezuela is in...

2log
09-08-2011, 08:43 PM
You see, there's no place for more. Europe gets only 2 direct places in Olympics, so 1 for Asia is all you can expect.
Btw, regarding groin' bball in continent, well it probably grown a bit throughout decade, you should know it better of course, but personally, I'm not sure if it's because China looks waaay worse without Yao or some other countries really made a step forward, hopefully they did, would like to see your continent more competitive on international scene

Well, I do understand that. It's more of a wishful thinking. We only have 1 guaranteed slot. But the sad thing is we only have 2 more for the qualifying tournament. If we do not qualify directly I hope we get to the qualifying tournament. Basketball has improved a lot specially for the middle eastern teams, a lot of countries have step up as medal contenders. Well, it probably helped that China has weakened recently (or if that's what their leading others to believe, we'll know next week in the Asian Championships).

Quylac
09-12-2011, 10:54 AM
Any ideas on where the games will be played?

cardenales
09-13-2011, 03:26 PM
I read at the top Republic Puerto Rico, that will be awesome, I hope someday that becomes true.

Mindozas
09-16-2011, 02:11 PM
Any ideas on where the games will be played?

Candidates so far: Venezuela, Puerto-Rico and Lithuania. I guess France, Russia or Spain will join also if they'll fail to qualify directly, don't know how is situation with venues in Macedonia. Greece shouldn't get it 2nd time in a row.
The main issue for us might be money, as it was told - Greece paid 3mln euros 4 years ago for the rights to organize the event.
However, probably this time it will be in Americas, but I still have a small hope :o

Dtown
09-16-2011, 03:11 PM
I hope Puerto Rico gets it in the interest of fairness, and they put on an a very entertaining FIBA Americas a couple years ago.

Mojado
09-18-2011, 07:18 AM
I hope Puerto Rico gets it in the interest of fairness, and they put on an a very entertaining FIBA Americas a couple years ago.

Hoping that too.Loved the FIBA Americas there in the coliseo, great atmosphere and the shopping center next to it:D

Mindozas
09-18-2011, 08:43 AM
According to this (http://eurobasket2011.lrytas.lt/-13162674161315842573-eurobasket-2011-olimpinis-atrankos-turnyras-%C5%A1eimininkams-kainuos-5-mln-eur%C5%B3.htm), the price for hosting the tournament is 5mln euros :rolleyes: According to newspaper's sources close to the situation, price suddenly went up cause France and Spain got direct places in Olympics, previously it was "unofficialy" decided that if France will fail, they'll be hosts, so now FIBA wants to earn as much as possible and raised the price. The main candidate now is Russia, they doesn't care about such large sum of money, they has rich sponsors and already negotiating with FIBA...
Our federation is poor, but still ain't givin' up and will try to fight. Also according to our federation president Garastas, he heard the rumours that Venesuela is ready to pay 1.5mln euros

Panathinaikos bc
09-19-2011, 01:36 PM
2-8 July
(The games probably will take place in Puerto rico.)

It might bee too soon for a thread like it, but let's see which countries will fight to earn one of the three first places that leads to London's Olympic games.
FIBA EUROPE.
Russia
Lithuania
Greece
FYR of Macedonia

FIBA AMERICAS
Puerto Rico
Venezuela
Dominican Republic

FIBA OCEANIA
New Zealand

FIBA AFRICA
Angola
Nigeria

FIBA ASIA
2 UNKNOWN counties so far.

As far as I can see the basic candidates for the first three places are from FIBA EUROPE.
Russia Lithuania Greece and Fyrom.
Of course Puerto Rico still remains a basketball power in America, and they can upset some of the 4 european teams above.

As for the other countries I don't see how they can get it to London. Of course we might have surprises as well. Take nothing for granted.

saalsapr
09-19-2011, 02:03 PM
Russia will get in without a doubt.

Lithuania as long as they dont play like they just did in this tournament.

Greece and Macedonia are the questions. Greece cause they where very inconsistent while Macedonia still surprises me how they even got that far.

Besides Puerto Rico(if they have a complete team), Id be wary of Venezuela, they df. got the offense to make it, they just have to get a better defense.

As for Dominican Republic, well, if they can play as a team they have a better chance of making it, but without a bench it will be tough.

Angola shouldnt be counted out, they been to every Olympics so no matter how bad things look for them, they understand the game better than any team out there. Nigeria has poor chance of making it though.

I know nothing of New Zealand, and 2 games against Australia won tell me much of how good or bad they are.

Last repechage had this as top four teams

Greece
Croatia
Germany
Puerto Rico

And every european country finished first in their respective group (including Slovenia) so every non european country has to step their game up.

Panathinaikos bc
09-19-2011, 02:04 PM
We can take nothing for granted but, the basic candidates to reach the London's Olympic games are from the FIBA EUROPE zone.

Russia
Lithuania
Greece
and FYR of Macedonia.

Puerto Rico and Angola can be strong opponents as well. (I don't know how strong is the Puerto rico this year though. )

Mojado
09-19-2011, 02:06 PM
2-8 July
(The games probably will take place in Puerto rico.)

It might bee too soon for a thread like it, but let's see which countries will fight to earn one of the three first places that leads to London's Olympic games.
FIBA EUROPE.
Russia
Lithuania
Greece
FYR of Macedonia

FIBA AMERICAS
Puerto Rico
Venezuela
Dominican Republic

FIBA OCEANIA
New Zealand

FIBA AFRICA
Angola
Nigeria

FIBA ASIA
2 UNKNOWN counties so far.

As far as I can see the basic candidates for the first three places are from FIBA EUROPE.
Russia Lithuania Greece and Fyrom.
Of course Puerto Rico still remains a basketball power in America, and they can upset some of the 4 european teams above.

As for the other countries I don't see how they can get it to London. Of course we might have surprises as well. Take nothing for granted.

If this tournament goes down in Puerto Rico, you can count Puerto Rico in to win this one. The fans do cheer as hell, witnessed it myself.
Dominican Republic has also a chance to be very competitive. All they have to do is to get rid of the coach. They need to learn how to defend. And they need a PG since Sosa wont be back at 100% I guess.

Nigeria...Alabi,Udoka,Uzoh,Udoh,Aminu brothers,Lawal,Diogu,Akognon,Umeh,Eze, Oyedeji,Obasohan...the list is long...all they need is MONEY.

Panathinaikos bc
09-19-2011, 02:12 PM
Greece will be stronger in 2012 with the addition of Spanoulis Shortsianitis Perperoglou and Mavrokefalidis.

Let's not forget that Greece played with a lot of absentees.
Then again with full roster, we didn't make it very well in the last WC so nothing is for granted !!

But in general, the European countries looks stronger. Even the surprise of the Eurobasket, Fyrom. They have a solid team, and no one knows if they can do it again.

If they won't make it, it will be the first time in Olympic games, that the ex Yugoslavian basketball ''school'' won't have a country in the tournament.

Serbia Croatia Bosnia Slovenia are all out !!!

sixama23
09-19-2011, 02:52 PM
We can take nothing for granted but, the basic candidates to reach the London's Olympic games are from the FIBA EUROPE zone.

Russia
Lithuania
Greece
and FYR of Macedonia.

Puerto Rico and Angola can be strong opponents as well. (I don't know how strong is the Puerto rico this year though. )

I don' t think so...
This olympic qualifying tournament is different than the one in Athens 4 years ago. National teams from America are stronger. Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic have better squad than FYROM. If Puerto Rico gets the tournament, that will be a great advantage for them. Venezuela is also competitive. It seems that Musselman has done a very good job and Vasquez is a great leader.

African teams are also dangerous, especially Nigeria. If Nigerians could bring together all of their USA-based players, they would be very competitive.

Mojado
09-19-2011, 02:57 PM
But in general, the European countries looks stronger. Even the surprise of the Eurobasket, Fyrom. They have a solid team, and no one knows if they can do it again.



Did you follow the FIBA Americas Tournament? I guess not.
Argentina won it, but Puerto Rico and the Dominicans did pretty well there and should be counted in when it comes to the tickets.
I dont see Angola getting by any of the countries from Europe or the Americas. Asia wont do anything here as well.

Pistol Pete
09-19-2011, 03:50 PM
I heard that Russia offered 5 million Euros in order to host this, while the American countries could only offer 2.5 million. Lithuania was talking about 3 million, so we will see who will host it. If it's going to be hosted any place other than Puerto Rico, I doubt that the non-European teams have a chance.

Luíz for 3
09-19-2011, 03:54 PM
Russia, Lithuania and Greece, for the good of the game!

The first two seems to be clear favorites even if the tournament would take place this year. Greece with some key players back to the team can make it to the Olympics too.
I cannot see hopeful chances for the other teams (FYROM, PR, DR and maybe China) when facing Euro teams in do-or-die matches...

samer_1_2
09-19-2011, 04:22 PM
2-8 July
(The games probably will take place in Puerto rico.)

It might bee too soon for a thread like it, but let's see which countries will fight to earn one of the three first places that leads to London's Olympic games.
FIBA EUROPE.
Russia
Lithuania
Greece
FYR of Macedonia

FIBA AMERICAS
Puerto Rico
Venezuela
Dominican Republic

FIBA OCEANIA
New Zealand

FIBA AFRICA
Angola
Nigeria

FIBA ASIA
2 UNKNOWN counties so far.

As far as I can see the basic candidates for the first three places are from FIBA EUROPE.
Russia Lithuania Greece and Fyrom.
Of course Puerto Rico still remains a basketball power in America, and they can upset some of the 4 european teams above.

As for the other countries I don't see how they can get it to London. Of course we might have surprises as well. Take nothing for granted.

Europeans teams are improving fast, they are mostly close to the american.. Especially the spanish team, this team contains 2 complete teams with no weekness.. Europe teams will have a big deal next 2012 olympic tournament

Mindozas
09-19-2011, 04:32 PM
We can take nothing for granted but, the basic candidates to reach the London's Olympic games are from the FIBA EUROPE zone.

Russia
Lithuania
Greece
and FYR of Macedonia.

Puerto Rico and Angola can be strong opponents as well. (I don't know how strong is the Puerto rico this year though. )

Angola was dissapointment this year, not that they didn't qualify, but their game level decreased. Surely Cipriano didn't play, but I doubt he could bring them to the level needed to compete for thos 3 spots.
On other teams, well, it's important where the tournament will be held, if in Europe - I'm quite sure it'll be all Europe, if in Americas - we might see some fight from PR or Venezuela.
Also squads are important of course. Will Liths all be healthy (Kleiza), will Greeks bring back their stars. While I'm quite sure that Russia and FYROM will be at their best if possible.

Panathinaikos bc
09-19-2011, 04:32 PM
Europeans teams are improving fast, they are mostly close to the american.. Especially the spanish team, this team contains 2 complete teams with no weekness.. Europe teams will have a big deal next 2012 olympic tournament

So far how many European teams, have they win the USA? And I mean the real USA team with the NBA players.

Any way.

I haven't watched any AMERICA games and I can't have an opinion. All I remember from Puerto Rico is the games VS Greece.
And of course the great P.Ortith. :D (did I spell his name right?)

But it's true the Europe is coming closer to USA style of game. FRANCE and SPAIN they play fast modern basketball. I like it.
Russia and Lithuania are very good teams as well.

Greece is a question mark because we don't know how many of our absentees will play next year.

It will be a very interesting games for sure.

adamosmaki
09-19-2011, 05:19 PM
the way i see it Russia is the strongest
then its lithuania and if Kleiza is back along with Russia they will be the strongest teams
Greece with the return of Spanoulis and Perperoglou is gonna be the third team ( if only Schortsianitis and Mavrokefalidis would play i would say Greece is as strong as Russia and Lithuania but i really doubt they will be accepted back to NT )
Then there is Fyrom and Puerto Rico that have a good chance to qualify for Olympics if they win at least one of the 3 strongest teams

Stardusted
09-19-2011, 05:20 PM
Russia will get in without a doubt.

Lithuania as long as they dont play like they just did in this tournament.

Greece and Macedonia are the questions. Greece cause they where very inconsistent while Macedonia still surprises me how they even got that far.

Besides Puerto Rico(if they have a complete team), Id be wary of Venezuela, they df. got the offense to make it, they just have to get a better defense.

As for Dominican Republic, well, if they can play as a team they have a better chance of making it, but without a bench it will be tough.

Angola shouldnt be counted out, they been to every Olympics so no matter how bad things look for them, they understand the game better than any team out there. Nigeria has poor chance of making it though.

I know nothing of New Zealand, and 2 games against Australia won tell me much of how good or bad they are.

Last repechage had this as top four teams

Greece
Croatia
Germany
Puerto Rico

And every european country finished first in their respective group (including Slovenia) so every non european country has to step their game up.

Greece will not be the same team in the 2012 OQ games mate. Our main players will return (spanoulis, schortsianitis, mavrokefalidis and who knows about diamantidis, I wouldnt consider it a surprise to be honest).

Greece and Lithuania will fight for first place, and you can quote me on that in the future. To be honest I consider purely based on the players we will have, Greece to take the first place almost certain, but I don't want to sound like I don't respect the other teams. Because I do.

Ciscorlie Horford
09-19-2011, 05:29 PM
Sammy mejia said he wants to play, if he does, start running for your life;)

sixama23
09-19-2011, 05:37 PM
Sammy mejia said he wants to play, if he does, start running for your life;)

That would be a great addition for the Dominicans!
Is this the first time that he is going to play for your NT or not?
I have a lot of respect for your players Ciscorlie and i think that you have good chances for the Olympics, especially if the tournament takes place in Puerto Rico.

Greek NT will have Spanoulis and Perperoglou back next year. Mavrokefalides won't be in the team for sure. "Baby Shaq's" case is different. The federation wants him back but coach Zouros doesn't. I don't want him too...:D

FYR of Macedonia National Federation expressed interest on hosting the Olympic Qualifying Tournament. According to general secretary Dejan Lekic and president Daniel Dimevski, FIBA is asking 3 million euros for the rights of the tournament. They will ask from their central government to help them funding the event.

http://www.ekipa.mk/News.aspx?newsId=792

Straight forward
09-20-2011, 11:32 PM
Lithuania, Greece and Russia should be in Olympics in my account.

Since 1992 Lithuania reached top 4 in all Olympic games, tradition must go on :p

Dtown
09-20-2011, 11:57 PM
If the tournament is in Europe I tend to think Russia, and Lithuania qualify. With fyr of Macedonia and Greece fighting it out for the last spot.

If it's in Puerto Rico it becomes a three horse race for the last spot. They definitely get a boost from that home crowd.

efap
09-21-2011, 11:45 AM
Hope Lithuania will meet FYROM... Revenge :cool:

Panathinaikos bc
09-21-2011, 11:48 AM
Hope Lithuania will meet FYROM... Revenge :cool:

Well get to the line.
We want revenge first. :p

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 02:48 PM
Macedonian basketball federation with the help from our goverment will bring home the Q-torney to Skopje. This will of course be an huge advantage.

Over the last 12 years we have only lost 1 match in Skopje. Dejan Lekic say no one can beat us in our church.

Our goverment is in no pssitions since our basketball team has become an icon. They simply has to bring home this torney and pay the 5 mili if they want to stay in power :D. Our gover allready told they will help.

This is our church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haaLFotRatM

Oficial 8.000 for basketball but last years against Great Britian 10.000. People on forbiden places.

sagenas
09-21-2011, 05:22 PM
Macedonian basketball federation with the help from our goverment will bring home the Q-torney to Skopje. This will of course be an huge advantage.

Over the last 12 years we have only lost 1 match in Skopje. Dejan Lekic say no one can beat us in our church.

Our goverment is in no pssitions since our basketball team has become an icon. They simply has to bring home this torney and pay the 5 mili if they want to stay in power :D. Our gover allready told they will help.

This is our church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haaLFotRatM

Oficial 8.000 for basketball but last years against Great Britian 10.000. People on forbiden places.

As our one guy from Lithuanian basketball federation told: "root for China because we can't compete with them".

If China wouldn't qualify directly to the Olympics, then probably no other countries have a chance.

And the list of candidates is long...so...too soon to say.

Ciscorlie Horford
09-21-2011, 06:08 PM
This is how NBA analyst John Schuhmann rank the teams in this World Olympic qualifying repechage tournamnet.

1. Russia
In qualifying tournament field – 2011 EuroBasket third place
Russia gave the U.S. it’s toughest challenge in elimination play at last year’s World Championship. And at EuroBasket, they were the only team other than Spain to win 10 games, doing it with a stifling defense that only allowed 95 points per 100 possessions. David Blatt‘s squad doesn’t have an offensive star, but they share the ball as well as any team in the world.



2. Lithuania
In qualifying tournament field – 2011 EuroBasket fifth place
A year ago, a young group of Lithuanians surprised everyone by capturing bronze at the World Championship, with their only loss coming to the U.S. in the semifinal. This year, with EuroBasket in their home country, they were a disappointment, losing to Spain, France, and then FYR Macedonia in the quarterfinals.


3. Greece
In qualifying tournament field – 2011 EuroBasket sixth place
With Theo Papaloukas and Dimitris Diamantidis retired from the National Team, Greece’s strength is now on the interior. They proved at EuroBasket that they’re still a strong squad, and they’ve certainly got a shot to capture one of the last three spots at the Olympics. But they just don’t have the firepower to compete with the world’s top teams anymore.



4. Dominican Republic
In qualifying tournament field – 2011 FIBA Americas third place
It took several games for John Calipari‘s squad to find some consistency, but they looked pretty strong in their last few games at Mar del Plata. At next year’s qualifying tournament, they’ll be playing for their first ever Olympic berth in men’s basketball and lacking the international experience of the other contenders for the top three spots.



5. Puerto Rico
In qualifying tournament field – 2011 FIBA Americas fourth place
Puerto Rico fell to the Dominican Republic in the bronze medal game. More disappointing was their performance at last year’s World Championship, losing to the Ivory Coast in their final pool-play game and failing to qualify for the 16-team knockout round.



6. Macedonia
In qualifying tournament field – 2011 Eurobasket fourth place
Behind a strong defense and the play of Bo McCalebb, FYR Macedonia was the Cinderella story of EuroBasket. They’re certainly a candidate for grabbing one of the last three Olympic berths at next year’s qualifying tournament, but you have to wonder if they can repeat what they did in Lithuania



7. Venezuela
In qualifying tournament field – 2011 FIBA Americas fifth place
Venezuela took a step forward with their fifth-place finish in Mar del Plata, but it’s hard to imagine them fitting in the top three at next year’s qualifying tournament. Eric Musselman‘s offense was the most efficient (121 points scored per 100 possessions) at the FIBA Americas tournament, but his team’s defense was pretty awful.



8. New Zealand
In qualifying tournament field – 2011 FIBA Oceania second place
New Zealand got swept by Australia, but this is a team that won three games at last year’s World Championship behind the scoring of Kirk Penney. That included a win over France.



9. Angola
In qualifying tournament field – 2011 FIBA Africa second place
Angola won two games (over Jordan and Germany) at last year’s World Championship before getting crushed by the U.S. in the round of 16. They lost by 11 to Tunisia in the FIBA Africa final.



10. Nigeria
In qualifying tournament field – 2011 FIBA Africa second place
Nigeria looked pretty strong until losing to Angola in the semifinals.



11. Korea
Korea is looking like the third best team in Asia.

Dtown
09-21-2011, 06:13 PM
umm why is Brazil listed? They won't be at the tournament.

Mindozas
09-21-2011, 06:23 PM
umm why is Brazil listed? They won't be at the tournament.

The same goes for Tunisia...

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 06:25 PM
If the tournament is in Europe I tend to think Russia, and Lithuania qualify. With fyr of Macedonia and Greece fighting it out for the last spot.

If it's in Puerto Rico it becomes a three horse race for the last spot. They definitely get a boost from that home crowd.

I can not understand why everybady thinks that Russia is that good ?!?.

Remove Kirilenko and the team is a joke.

Their back court players is a pure joke, this is rock hard defence team and the succces is based on that. If we speak about individual talent a part from Kirilenko it is almost noon existing in the Russian team. This is a bunch of antitalented basketball players that knows how to play good defence and thats it.

I think that Macedonia is a faster and better team. Only reason that Russia beat us is pure luck, but also no chances that Russia will our reb Macedonia 43-25 (22 offensive) if Gecevski would have playd or if Predrag didint get 3 fouls that quickly (2 fouls with out contact) :rolleyes:,

It is likely that Gecevski injury did stop us from playing in the final by beating France.

Ciscorlie Horford
09-21-2011, 06:38 PM
umm why is Brazil listed? They won't be at the tournament.

my bad. I fixed it. They actaully have a ranking of all the teams that are in contention for a medal in the olympics so they have both the already qualified teams and those that are going to this tournamnet, so I just copied the ones that were in this tournamnet, (or at least that's what I thought :p) becuase those are teh ones relevant to this thead's topic

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 06:44 PM
Macedonian team will hardly get any worse next year.

Todor Gecevski will be back (210) has been voted as the top 3 NLB center of all team.

Kiril Nikolovski will be back (213) got an infection just before the EC. Our best center during the prepretayions and is the most talented in Macedonia. Predrag (215) and Kiril (213) combinations works very well.

Riste Stefanov will be back, injured against Poland. Winger and the bask 3 points shooter in our country. If Riste get his bombs from the arc to drop, well. Playd with Lukoil, AEK, Besiktas and Union Ljubljana.

Vladimi Micov. Back court player. Talented Macedonina diaspora player that all of a sudden shows interest to play with us. Will give Bo and Vlado importent resting time on the bench. Experience with Buducnost, Partizan and Caja Laboral.

Ciscorlie Horford
09-21-2011, 06:45 PM
I can not understand why everybady thinks that Russia is that good ?!?.

Remove Kirilenko and the team is a joke.

Their back court players is a pure joke, this is rock hard defence team and the succces is based on that. If we speak about individual talent a part from Kirilenko it is almost noon existing in the Russian team. This is a bunch of antitalented basketball players that knows how to play good defence and thats it.

I think that Macedonia is a faster and better team. Only reason that Russia beat us is pure luck, but also no chances that Russia will our reb Macedonia 43-25 (22 offensive) if Gecevski would have playd or if Predrag didint get 3 fouls that quickly (2 fouls with out contact) :rolleyes:,

It is likely that Gecevski injury did stop us from playing in the final by beating France.

Macedonia is a one man show. Russia is a team , they don't have super stars but they don't need one because every player is a piece of a bigger puzzle.

All you have to do to beat macedonia is shut down ONE person. and if you can't shut him down, just let him get tire and run out of gas. that was teh strategy that all teams used agaisnt venezuela in the American tournament and surely enough at the end they always seemed to run out of gas

to beat Rusia you have to stop 5 guys, not just one. actually you have to stpo 5 + one. Because russians coach is as important if not more than the players themselves.


and i think every team will get better next year, with the expection probably only of Greece where a lot of old palyer are regressing. and Angola who had already reached its peack and teh Asian countries who are stuck in the same level.

sagenas
09-21-2011, 06:49 PM
I can not understand why everybady thinks that Russia is that good ?!?.

Remove Kirilenko and the team is a joke.

Their back court players is a pure joke, this is rock hard defence team and the succces is based on that. If we speak about individual talent a part from Kirilenko it is almost noon existing in the Russian team. This is a bunch of antitalented basketball players that knows how to play good defence and thats it.

I think that Macedonia is a faster and better team. Only reason that Russia beat us is pure luck, but also no chances that Russia will our reb Macedonia 43-25 (22 offensive) if Gecevski would have playd or if Predrag didint get 3 fouls that quickly (2 fouls with out contact) :rolleyes:,

It is likely that Gecevski injury did stop us from playing in the final by beating France.

Come on, it's not possible to become big team in one year. You should prove it year by year. You say that Russia without Kirilenko is a joke, then what can we all say about Macedonia? McCaleb for Macedonia means a lot more than Kirilenko for Russians.

Okay, Gečevski was injured but f.e. Russia didn't have Kaun.

Everyone can find their arguments and even create it.

Say Khryapa, Fridzon and Shved aren't talented. :) They all are proven players so it's not surprise. And besides high-level players they have one name which comes ahead comparing to other teams - David Blatt. He's one of the best coaches, imho.

P.s. say what? Macedonia is faster? As some some smart people said something like this: "they play basketball as no one plays that way - they just simply walk on the floor and changes tempo of the game. No one plays like that and it was very big surprise for many teams. It's hard to play against them, when they play like that."

Macedonia was good. And probably they developed and will be competitive enough team in the future but let's look at reality - Macedonia don't have depth, even individual skills and talent (except few players) but they gave them all on the court. That's what I envy You. Your team played every game like it was their last one of their life, that's why it was so enjoyable to watch.

P.s. good luck next year. :)

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 06:55 PM
Macedonia is a one man show. Russia is a team , they don't have super stars but they don't need one because every player is a piece of a bigger puzzle.

All you have to do to beat macedonia is shut down ONE person. and if you can't shut him down, just let him get tire and run out of gas. that was teh strategy that all teams used agaisnt venezuela in the American tournament and surely enough at the end they always seemed to run out of gas

to beat Rusia you have to stop 5 guys, not just one. actually you have to stpo 5 + one. Because russians coach is as important if not more than the players themselves

No one can shut down Bo, at least not in europ and doubtful that you Latin boys can do that or someone from asia.

Well you can try to put two man on him but than Vlado Ilievski (Former Barcelona and Montepaski) will be given free space to give you an nightmare you will not forget.

And more trubel is that Micov will join, Gecevski and Stefanov back as the talented Nikolovski.

Ye ye Macedonia just Bo, thats why Olympiakos and Caja Laboral wants Antic, and Amani wants Vojdan Stojanovski.

And half of the europe wants Dukuzovski.

Rights next to Russia Macedonia has the best team defence in europ.

:) we have back court players that can rock our ass, and now we will get back our centers :).

sagenas
09-21-2011, 07:06 PM
One simple question. Where was that so good team at least one year ago?

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 07:14 PM
Come on, it's not possible to become big team in one year. You should prove it year by year. You say that Russia without Kirilenko is a joke, then what can we all say about Macedonia? McCaleb for Macedonia means a lot more than Kirilenko for Russians.

Okay, Gečevski was injured but f.e. Russia didn't have Kaun.

Everyone can find their arguments and even create it.

Say Khryapa, Fridzon and Shved aren't talented. :) They all are proven players so it's not surprise. And besides high-level players they have one name which comes ahead comparing to other teams - David Blatt. He's one of the best coaches, imho.

P.s. say what? Macedonia is faster? As some some smart people said something like this: "they play basketball as no one plays that way - they just simply walk on the floor and changes tempo of the game. No one plays like that and it was very big surprise for many teams. It's hard to play against them, when they play like that."

Macedonia was good. And probably they developed and will be competitive enough team in the future but let's look at reality - Macedonia don't have depth, even individual skills and talent (except few players) but they gave them all on the court. That's what I envy You. Your team played every game like it was their last one of their life, that's why it was so enjoyable to watch.

P.s. good luck next year. :)

We have deep but not when several players are injured.

Gecevski as exampel that 20 min per game, 10 points per game and 7 rebs per game that we lost when he got injured.

Dont need to be an basketball expert to understand that we would beat Russia with him.

Beside refs will not give Predrag noon existing fouls forever.

With Todor Gecevski, Kiril Nikolovski, Vladimir Micov and Riste Stefanov we will have 11 players in rotation.

Bo (Montepaski) EL
Antic (Olympiakos) EL
Ilievski (Efes Pilsen) EL former Barcelona and Montepaski
Vojdan Stojanovski (Armani Milano) EL
Predrag Samardziski (Lytvos Rytas) EL
Todor Gecevski (PAOK) EL
Vladimir Micov former Partizan and Cajan Laboral
Damjan Stojanovski (Lukoil) Uleb cup
Kiril Nikolovski (MZT)
Riste Stefanov (MZT) former Besiktas, Union, AEK
Gorgi Cekovski (MZT)
Darko Sokolov (PGE Turow)


MZT Skopje has 2 milon euro budget since few weeks back. T-Mobile.

Our team prity decent on paper after EC :) and Kiril will get more chances to show what he can to europ.

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 07:24 PM
One simple question. Where was that so good team at least one year ago?

Macedonia ended on 9th place in Poland two years ago :rolleyes: aint that poor ?!?.

In fact just one shot from Q-final in Poland and world championchip.

Russia-Macedonia 71-69 (Gecevski with long hair)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPiyEU13GxA

Iam tired of all these buzzer losses against Russia :D sooner or later luck most be on our side :).

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 07:37 PM
I think that we have fair chances to make the olympic games.

1. Team chemistry
2. Defence
3. Great coach
4. Several players will come back from injury and one new will join so our rotation will get going.
5. Underestimate us, i would like that :)

sixama23
09-21-2011, 07:38 PM
Vladimir Micov. Back court player. Talented Macedonina diaspora player that all of a sudden shows interest to play with us. Will give Bo and Vlado importent resting time on the bench. Experience with Buducnost, Partizan and Caja Laboral.

This guy is Serb, born and raised in Belgrade. He has already played for Serbian youth national teams. How is he connected with your country?

I have a lot of respect for your NT and i don't underestimate you cause you have already beaten us but i don't think that you have a much better squad than the other European teams or even PR and DR.

I see Russia as a big favorite next year. The other European countries plus PR and DR will fight for the rest 2 spots. But let's wait because if China will be in the tournament then the competition is gonna be tougher.

I would like to see Lithuania with a young team just like the one which played last year in Turkey. Veterans should not play for the NT again.

We will sure have Spanoulis next year. He will bring more experience, talent and leadership to our NT...

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 07:46 PM
This guy is Serb, born and raised in Belgrade. He has already played for Serbian youth national teams. How is he connected with your country?

I have a lot of respect for your NT and i don't underestimate you cause you have already beat us but i don't think that you have a much better squad than the other European teams or even PR and DR.

I see Russia as a big favorite next year. The other European countries plus PR and DR will fight for the rest 2 spots. But let's wait because if China will be in the tournament then the competition is gonna be tougher.

I would like to see Lithuania with a young team just like the one which played last year in Turkey. Veterans should not play for the NT again.

We will sure have Spanoulis next year. He will bring more experience, talent and leadership to our NT...


If Micov is a serb then Greece has 3 americans in team. At least Micov can speak Macedonian, I heard that Clethas and the rest can not speak Greek :p:confused::rolleyes:

Yes he playd for Serbian Youth. But Serbian seniors do not want him so he got offers from Montenegro and Macedonia and it seems he will join us.

We tryd to get Micov allready 2 years ago but then he still hade hope to get place in the Serbian national team.
http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/NewsDetal.asp?vest=121091112295&id=21&setIzdanie=21858


Macedonia with out injuries is a beter team than Russia, IMO.

Straight forward
09-21-2011, 07:47 PM
5. Underestimate us, i would like that :)

No-one will underestimate Macedonia after 2011 unfortunately :D Contrary - some teams will come with hardcore motivation against you guys.

Ciscorlie Horford
09-21-2011, 07:47 PM
No one can shut down Bo, at least not in europ and doubtful that you Latin boys can do that or someone from asia.

Well you can try to put two man on him but than Vlado Ilievski (Former Barcelona and Montepaski) will be given free space to give you an nightmare you will not forget.

And more trubel is that Micov will join, Gecevski and Stefanov back as the talented Nikolovski.

Ye ye Macedonia just Bo, thats why Olympiakos and Caja Laboral wants Antic, and Amani wants Vojdan Stojanovski.

And half of the europe wants Dukuzovski.

Rights next to Russia Macedonia has the best team defence in europ.

:) we have back court players that can rock our ass, and now we will get back our centers :).

you are very arrogant

sagenas
09-21-2011, 07:52 PM
We have deep but not when several players are injured.

Gecevski as exampel that 20 min per game, 10 points per game and 7 rebs per game that we lost when he got injured.

Dont need to be an basketball expert to understand that we would beat Russia with him.

Beside refs will not give Predrag noon existing fouls forever.

With Todor Gecevski, Kiril Nikolovski, Vladimir Micov and Riste Stefanov we will have 11 players in rotation.

Bo (Montepaski) EL
Antic (Olympiakos) EL
Ilievski (Efes Pilsen) EL former Barcelona and Montepaski
Vojdan Stojanovski (Armani Milano) EL
Predrag Samardziski (Lytvos Rytas) EL
Todor Gecevski (PAOK) EL
Vladimir Micov former Partizan and Cajan Laboral
Damjan Stojanovski (Lukoil) Uleb cup
Kiril Nikolovski (MZT)
Riste Stefanov (MZT) former Besiktas, Union, AEK
Gorgi Cekovski (MZT)
Darko Sokolov (PGE Turow)


MZT Skopje has 2 milon euro budget since few weeks back. T-Mobile.

Our team prity decent on paper after EC :) and Kiril will get more chances to show what he can to europ.

1) Lietuvos Rytas and PAOK aren't qualified for Euroleague yet. Lukoil isn't qualified for EuroCup, too.

2) What's with that "former" stuff? M.Andriuškevičius is former Cavs' player but we won't consider him as top level player. :D

This is gorgeous, lol:


Dont need to be an basketball expert to understand that we would beat Russia with him.

Do you understand basketball at all? I'll explain you a little....while 5 players are on the court, other 7 are sitting on the bench. It gives you nothing. If Gečevski plays, then Samardžiski will be sitting on the bench and will not produce quality in his limited minutes. He is good example that being only simple "role player" isn't enough for some players...he was just TERRIBLE then, but after Gečevski's injury, he got more minutes and chances to show himself and he succeed, I'd say.

This your "conclusion" is as smart as it would be if I say that with Kleiza we could easily upset not only Spain, but even USA in any tournament. :D

And how the hell you know that all players will be healthy? I can't say I won't catch a cold tomorrow and you can futurecast what will happen next summer...skills, man, you've got some skills.

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 08:02 PM
Ye but with out Gecevski we are very vulnerable and easy prey for the refs. 3fouls (2 noon existing) on Predrag the first few minutes and we are done under the basket he playd only 14 min cuz of that. Still Russia beat us only by luck, jo just think what will be if we had more rebs ???.

Feels like the ref had him under the radar during the matches against ESP and RUS, everybady knows how bad Cekovski is, if we at least had Nikolovski. Sad but true think its wos a robber.

No I am not arrogant, Id say that you are argonat you underestimate us.

I can say that Macedonia aint any weaker with Micov, Nikolovski, Stefanov and Gecevski and you can believe what you want. 11 players that will get minutes that is importent.

SunOverHStreet
09-21-2011, 08:06 PM
I can not understand why everybady thinks that Macedonia (FYR) is that good ?!?.

Remove McCalebb and the team is a joke.

Their back court players is a pure joke, this is rock hard defence team and the succces is based on that. If we speak about individual talent a part from Kirilenko it is almost noon existing in the Russian team. This is a bunch of antitalented basketball players that knows how to play good defence and thats it.
Will you stop with this crap?! I mean, OK, really, Macedonia had a great success, but who gave you the right to belittle Russia in this manner (it's not that you become coach K all of a sudden - Bold: Do you get my point?). Of course that Russia have talent beside Kirilenko. Enjoy basketball for a change and stop spreading BS.
I would love to see Macedonia in the Olympics, but the task will be hard, as Lithuania, Greece and Russia also have the same desire as your country to participate in the biggest sports event. And sure they have means to do it.
I couldn't predict this one, even if my life depended on it...

Edit: Of course, all the countries participating have their chances, not just the ones I listed above. Sorry for that. We are also waiting two more teams from Asia. It will be interesting, definitely.

Mindozas
09-21-2011, 08:09 PM
After readin' all this I think Macedonia has a fair chance to beat USA in Olympic final next year, maybe with double digits... if US will have a good day, if not... :rolleyes:

Maybe I even underestimate Macedonian NT a little bit with this my statement, we'll see

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 08:11 PM
Bo can not defend our basket, he can only play offensive.

Gecevski is just as importent to our team as Makaleb.

Everybady has its on role in the team.

Truth is that we lost 4 matches with out Gecevski. Although both games against Russia could have gone our way. Pure luck. I'm not so sure if even Monya and Bykov knows how the scored the buzzer points.

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 08:26 PM
After readin' all this I think Macedonia has a fair chance to beat USA in Olympic final next year, maybe with double digits... if US will have a good day, if not... :rolleyes:

Maybe I even underestimate Macedonian NT a little bit with this my statement, we'll see

No I will stay with me feet on the planet Tellus. Dream team i leave for you :p

Tell you the truth reading Serbs and Croat basketball forums, the only thing that scares me is the LTU and GR baskeball fiba lobby.

Seems like LTU has a strong fiba lobby reading what serbs and croats say. This scares me.

Greeks is probably not that happy to play OG Q matches in Skopje and I think that LTU will push on this.

A team that hosted EC should not host the Q torney too, LTU. Tell you the truth we deserve this torney but Greeks will not be happy.

Greece is out of question since they hosted it 2008. I hope that China makes it cuz 5 milion euro Macedonian goverment money will not help us if China do not grab a direct spot.

Mindozas
09-21-2011, 08:37 PM
No I will stay with me feet on the planet Tellus. Dream team i leave for you :p

Tell you the truth reading Serbs and Croat basketball forums, the only thing that scares me is the LTU and GR baskeball fiba lobby.

Seems like LTU has a strong fiba lobby reading what serbs and croats say. This scares me.

Greeks is probably not that happy to play OG Q matches in Skopje and I think that LTU will push on this.

A team that hosted EC should not host the Q torney too, LTU. Tell you the truth we deserve this torney but Greeks will not be happy.

Greece is out of question since they hosted it 2008. I hope that China makes it cuz 5 milion euro Macedonian goverment money will not help us if China do not grab a direct spot.

Thnx for telling and explaining me the truth. Btw, how good planet Tellus is? Do they have weapons to stop Gecevski?

Ciscorlie Horford
09-21-2011, 08:40 PM
I just heard on the radio that macedonia has nationalized Kevin Durant to replaced Bo in the antional team


that you are definately better than Russian and even Spain ;)

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 08:41 PM
(Thnx for telling and explaining me the truth)

Seeme like you are awared of your fiba possition. Freaks me out :eek:

Thought they bullshited.

Mindozas
09-21-2011, 08:43 PM
I just heard no the radio that macedonia has nationalized Kevin Durant to replaced Bo in teh antional team


that you are definately better than Russian and even Spain ;)

Why they doin' this? They don't need him, Riste Stefanov will be back after injury, he is far better 3pt shooter. Moreover there always is Gecevski

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 08:44 PM
I just heard no the radio that macedonia has nationalized Kevin Durant to replaced Bo in teh antional team


that you are definately better than Russian and even Spain ;)

Hey Carlos Morban still playing for your team :D playd in Macedonia not long ago.

Ciscorlie Horford
09-21-2011, 08:49 PM
No I will stay with me feet on the planet Tellus. Dream team i leave for you :p

Tell you the truth reading Serbs and Croat basketball forums, the only thing that scares me is the LTU and GR baskeball fiba lobby.

Seems like LTU has a strong fiba lobby reading what serbs and croats say. This scares me.

Greeks is probably not that happy to play OG Q matches in Skopje and I think that LTU will push on this.

A team that hosted EC should not host the Q torney too, LTU. Tell you the truth we deserve this torney but Greeks will not be happy.

Greece is out of question since they hosted it 2008. I hope that China makes it cuz 5 milion euro Macedonian goverment money will not help us if China do not grab a direct spot.

forget about it this event is going to Puerto rico. macedonia does not have stadioa to host an event of such caliber. and yes, I have seen Macedonian arenas and some of them don't even get to 500 seats capacity.

Like this arena, if you can call it that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEc9o9eRqoQ

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 08:49 PM
Why they doin' this? They don't need him, Riste Stefanov will be back after injury, he is far better 3pt shooter. Moreover there always is Gecevski

Well to beat LTU in LTU even against refs we can beat you with 8 man.

So why can we not beat you on neutral venue with 11 players :). This is the hardest question :confused:.

To beat a team that play defence that has fast players as Stojanovski, Makaleb and Ilievski in defence you will need a lot more than 3 pointers cuz they will not let you take any free shots.

:)

Ciscorlie Horford
09-21-2011, 08:53 PM
Hey Carlos Morban still playing for your team :D playd in Macedonia not long ago.

Morban has never been part of the A team in the DR. he played in 2009 with the team because of injuries of other point guards (we don't have depth on that position) now he is a bench player on the Dominican league. and Mawel Soler is another bench player, but unlike Morban he has never made the national team.

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 08:56 PM
forget about it this event is going to Puerto rico. macedonia does not have stadioa to host an event of such caliber. and yes, I have seen Macedonian arenas and some of them don't even get to 500 seats capacity.

Like this arena, if you can call it that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEc9o9eRqoQ

Our biggest indoor arena has capacity 8.000 for Basketball. Still 10.000 entered for the match against Great Britania :D.

8.000 will do it for OG-Q :). Ohrid has 5.000 capacity arena.

Both are prity new.

If not we can play on our brand new out door arena:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoIc7jW2UU4&feature=related


With the new basketball interest 40.000 fans on the matches :D

Ciscorlie Horford
09-21-2011, 09:01 PM
Our biggest indoor arena has capacity 8.000 for Basketball. Still 10.000 entered for the match against Great Britania :D.

8.000 will do it for OG-Q :). Ohrid has 5.000 capacity arena.

Both are prity new.

If not we can play on our brand new out door arena:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoIc7jW2UU4&feature=related


With the new basketball interest 40.000 fans on the matches :D
that is a beautiful stadium but FIBA would never allow an offical tournament on an out door stadium. and I don't think a 5k arena will cut it.

Hepcat
09-21-2011, 09:05 PM
Lithuania, Greece and Russia should be in Olympics in my account.

Since 1992 Lithuania reached top 4 in all Olympic games, tradition must go on :p

I agree, although Puerto Rico could challenge for a spot. I don't think either Macedonia or the Dominican Republic will contend as it will be difficult for those teams to duplicate the chemistry they had this summer.

:)

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 09:08 PM
Morban has never been part of the A team in the DR. he played in 2009 with the team because of injuries of other point guards (we don't have depth on that position) now he is a bench player on the Dominican league. and Mawel Soler is another bench player, but unlike Morban he has never made the national team.

I like Morban one of he best that has ever playd in Macedonia. I guess Tariq Kirksay is the best.

Our teams are low budget basketball teams but is likely to change now. MZT is the first team that will transform inte a europ team. Hope that more teams than MZT will get money.

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 09:13 PM
that is a beautiful stadium but FIBA would never allow an offical tournament on an out door stadium. and I don't think a 5k arena will cut it.

How many indoor arenas you need for a olympic q-torney ??.

One 8.000 arena and one 5.000 should do it, com on.

Greece can play ion Ohrid, it is priy close to Greece and a beautiful city :) Macedonia and LTU in Skopje so we can prove to our LTU mates that we can do it again :D.

sixama23
09-21-2011, 09:15 PM
If Micov is a serb then Greece has 3 americans in team. At least Micov can speak Macedonian, I heard that Calathes and the rest can not speak Greek :p:confused::rolleyes:

Yes he played for Serbian Youth. But Serbian seniors do not want him so he got offers from Montenegro and Macedonia and it seems he will join us.

We tryd to get Micov allready 2 years ago but then he still hade hope to get place in the Serbian national team.
http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/NewsDetal.asp?vest=121091112295&id=21&setIzdanie=21858

Macedonia with out injuries is a better team than Russia, IMO.

Kalathes, Koufos and Bramos are all of Greek descent. The truth is that Bramos and Kalathes only understand some greek and speak a little bit of them. Koufos is fluent in greek.

I didn't know that Micov's father was from Skopje. Micov is a very good player but if he becomes eligible for your NT, he will be another naturalized player. Since you have Bo, only one of them can play for your NT.

I know about the big indoor arena in Skopje but i doubt that your government can pay such a big amount for the rights and the organization of the tournament.



Greeks is probably not that happy to play OG Q matches in Skopje and I think that LTU will push on this.

We have no problem to play everywhere...:D

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 09:17 PM
One 8.000 arena and one 5.000 should do it, com on.

Greece can play ion Ohrid, it is priy close to Greece and a beautiful city, most beautiful in Macedonia. Capacity 5.000. Several good hotels. Ohrid has Airport.

Macedonia and LTU in Skopje so we can prove to our LTU mates that we can do it again . Great Hotels and Airport. 8.000 arena.

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 09:29 PM
Kalathes, Koufos and Bramos are all of Greek descent. The truth is that Bramos and Kalathes only understand some greek and speak a little bit of them. Koufos is fluent in greek.

I didn't know that Micov's father was from Skopje. Micov is a very good player but if he becomes eligible for your NT, he will be another naturalized player. Since you have Bo, only one of them can play for your NT.

I know about the big indoor arena in Skopje but i doubt that your government can pay such a big amount for the rights and the organization of the tournament.


We have no problem to play everywhere...:D


Think that Micov will not be any naturalized player. Yes his father is born in Skopje.

Since he has family ties with Macedonia he will be like domstic player and this is for 110% sure, I am telling the truthe since I read Fiba rules about this matter allready.

In fact Turkey use this rule to the maximum, Greece too and a few more nations that use diaspora players.

So far so good, our goverment has expresed will to help so Dejan Lekic is optemistic. 5 milion euros is a lot of money but with the interess for basketball right now, our goverment will make a lot of political points. Is not everyday you get a chance to play olympic basketball and chances will get bigger if our goverment helps.

Why not play in the new out door stadium ? put on artificial roof and play basketball in front of 40.000 fans a new europ reccord. What nice idea :D

sixama23
09-21-2011, 09:59 PM
Think that Micov will not be any naturalized player. Yes his father is born in Skopje.

Since he has family ties with Macedonia he will be like domstic player and this is for 110% sure, I am telling the truth since I read Fiba rules about this matter allready.

In fact Turkey use this rule to the maximum, Greece too and a few more nations that use diaspora players.

I don't say that you are lying...:rolleyes:
Maybe you are right, i have to take a look again at FIBA rules but i think that his case may be conflicted because he has been member of Serbian U20 NT.
Anyway, Micov would surely be an upgrade for your NT...

About the indoor arenas needed for hosting the tournament, i can tell you that back in 2008, all the games of the qualifying tournament took place in Athens Olympic Indoor Arena (capacity=18,000 seats).

I guess that for hosting 2012 tournament an indoor arena of around 10,000 is enough...

Grinder
09-21-2011, 10:10 PM
Think that Micov will not be any naturalized player. Yes his father is born in Skopje.

Since he has family ties with Macedonia he will be like domstic player and this is for 110% sure, I am telling the truthe since I read Fiba rules about this matter allready.

In fact Turkey use this rule to the maximum, Greece too and a few more nations that use diaspora players.

So far so good, our goverment has expresed will to help so Dejan Lekic is optemistic. 5 milion euros is a lot of money but with the interess for basketball right now, our goverment will make a lot of political points. Is not everyday you get a chance to play olympic basketball and chances will get bigger if our goverment helps.

Why not play in the new out door stadium ? put on artificial roof and play basketball in front of 40.000 fans a new europ reccord. What nice idea :D

If a roof can safely be put on that stadium and it's approved by FIBA, I think it'd be a great idea to let Macedonia host the event. Vladimir Micov from Cantu? He'd be a great addition to this team, better than any of the current wing players.

McCalebb
Ilievski / Stojanovski
Micov / Stefanov
Antic / Gecevski
Samardziski / Nikolovski

That's 9 very reliable rotation players for next year and should be much better than this year's team.

Why didn't Riste Stefanov and Nikolovski play this year?

Supply&Demand
09-21-2011, 10:24 PM
It would be great if we hosted it. Our games in Eurobasket qualifiers were all sold out and had great atmospheres, and it'd be even greater for this tournament, especially since the basketball team has been idolized. This depends on whether the government is willing to shell out the money, though, because the Federation would probably have to spend 5 times over their means to host it. I think it could work, but it depends on what the other potential hosts have in their bids.



Why didn't Riste Stefanov and Nikolovski play this year?

Injuries.

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 10:36 PM
If a roof can safely be put on that stadium and it's approved by FIBA, I think it'd be a great idea to let Macedonia host the event. Vladimir Micov from Cantu? He'd be a great addition to this team, better than any of the current wing players.

McCalebb
Ilievski / Stojanovski
Micov / Stefanov
Antic / Gecevski
Samardziski / Nikolovski

That's 9 very reliable rotation players for next year and should be much better than this year's team.

Why didn't Riste Stefanov and Nikolovski play this year?

Riste Stefanov broke his leg in Slovenia this summer in a match against Poland that we won 66-57. Kiril Nikolovski that scored 15 points against Poland, 15 against Canada, 16 against Serbia, and i think 10 against Slovenia, got problems with his teeth and made small operation. In Germany all of a sudden he got some sort of an infection his face wos like an basketball and doctors say you most rest at least 3 weeks.

I feel pity for that boy cuz this wos his ticket to a much beter club in europ. Vojdan will sign with Armani Milano and Kire would had same succes.

This is how he look normaly (picture in Slovenia)
http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/WBStorage/Articles/717792C6F4365C4F870E6AE6E1250474.jpg

This in Germany:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2291/30679319066267766807716.jpg

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 10:39 PM
Cekovski wos not supposed to play in LTU.

BTW,

Funny ONE-Telecom advertisement with our players in Skopje :
enjoy :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06dA1N5sXQ&feature=player_embedded

Robimkd
09-21-2011, 10:57 PM
[email protected]

Yep the good thing with Micov is that Bo and Ilievski will get some rest which is importent. Micov is capable to play 10-15 min per match. But also no disaster if Ilievski gets fouled out so he can be even more agressive.

I would also give Sokolov 5 min per game.

We can keep Bo and Vlado at 25-30 min per game instead 35-40.

[email protected]

Damjan Stojanovski might be a poor offensive player but he is still decent on defence and can be used a few minutes per games just to give Vojdan and Riste littel bit rest.

PG:

Makaleb-Ilievski-Micov-Sokolov

C:

Gecevski (210)-Samardziski(215)-Nikolovski(213)-Cekovski(202)

PF:

Pero Antic (210)

Wingers:

Vojdan Stojanovski-Riste Stefanov-Damjan Stojanovski


To bad we have no option for Pero Antic.

JGX
09-22-2011, 01:13 AM
From the Americas forum:


This team will be so good I bet we beat the europeans (depending on who they are) by 10-20 points.

"we" = Puerto Rico

Now that we know the European teams, what point spreads are we going to use for the bet? Anyone else want in?

I say the combined spread for PR versus the four European teams should be 60 points. 70 if they host. Split it up any way you want as long as it's between 10-20 for each opponent.

Grinder
09-22-2011, 01:43 AM
[email protected]

Yep the good thing with Micov is that Bo and Ilievski will get some rest which is importent. Micov is capable to play 10-15 min per match. But also no disaster if Ilievski gets fouled out so he can be even more agressive.

I would also give Sokolov 5 min per game.

We can keep Bo and Vlado at 25-30 min per game instead 35-40.

[email protected]

Damjan Stojanovski might be a poor offensive player but he is still decent on defence and can be used a few minutes per games just to give Vojdan and Riste littel bit rest.

PG:

Makaleb-Ilievski-Micov-Sokolov

C:

Gecevski (210)-Samardziski(215)-Nikolovski(213)-Cekovski(202)

PF:

Pero Antic (210)

Wingers:

Vojdan Stojanovski-Riste Stefanov-Damjan Stojanovski


To bad we have no option for Pero Antic.

Thanks for the info about Stefanov and Nikolovski. :)

Is this the same Micov we're talking about? The one that plays for Cantu is a 6'8" wing player.

No Antic?! Pero might make some dumb decisions but he has to be on the team, he's the heart and soul of the team it seems like...why in the world would Cekovski be chosen over Pero Antic?




From the Americas forum:



"we" = Puerto Rico

Now that we know the European teams, what point spreads are we going to use for the bet? Anyone else want in?

I say the combined spread for PR versus the four European teams should be 60 points. 70 if they host. Split it up any way you want as long as it's between 10-20 for each opponent.

PR can definitely beat some of the European teams if they're at full strength. From what I saw in the Americas tournament, they've got some nice young players stepping up.

Barea / Arroyo / Clemente
Vassallo / Diaz
Galindo / Carmona
Sanchez / Balkman / Peavy
Ramos / Santiago

They've got athleticism, dead eye shooters, and some pretty good big men. Chemistry and coaching is the main piece of the puzzle that needs to be solved.

The Dominican Republic with Mejia and Sosa (if he heals) will be tough too.

JGX
09-22-2011, 02:04 AM
PR can definitely beat some of the European teams if they're at full strength.

Sure, but beating them all by 10-20 points? I'll put you down for the saalspr side of the bet though :D


The Dominican Republic with Mejia and Sosa (if he heals) will be tough too.

Any chance of Ariza playing for them? Mejia would be helpful but you always have to be skeptical about a guy who's never played before.

I'd love to see the Americas teams break through but based on recent history you have to tip the Euros to take all three spots.

Grinder
09-22-2011, 02:59 AM
Sure, but beating them all by 10-20 points? I'll put you down for the saalspr side of the bet though :D



Any chance of Ariza playing for them? Mejia would be helpful but you always have to be skeptical about a guy who's never played before.

I'd love to see the Americas teams break through but based on recent history you have to tip the Euros to take all three spots.

lol, obviously they wouldn't be favorites, I'm just saying that they'd have a shot and the games would be competitive.

I remember talking to Charlie Villanueva and I think he said something along the lines of they wanted Ariza to play but it looks like he's not eligible (I guess one of the guys on their team counts as a naturalized player). I definitely think Mejia is needed on the DR regardless of him never suiting up. He brings another consistent wing scorer which they need and he can even step in and play the point.

Sosa, Mejia, Garcia, Villanueva, Martinez, and Horford is a really good core. Throw in guys like Flores and Baez and we're looking at a really solid team.

FIBA Europe Basket
09-22-2011, 04:36 AM
For all the people saying Greece won't qualify..................Spanoulis already said he will play next summer, barring injury. I don't even care about all the other numerous players that were missing.

Just Spanoulis added in ALONE and Greece would have been playing in the finals of EuroBasket. France, that people are already lining up for an Olympic medal BARELY beat Greece's C team. Just Spanoulis ALONE as an addition and they beat France and go on and get the silver.

Whether Tsartsarris, Papaloukas, Diamantidis, Vasilopoulos, Mavrokefalidis, Schortsanitis play or not will NOT matter at the qualification tournament. Even if none of them were to play for Greece, just the addition of Spanoulis will ensure that Greece will qualify to the Olympics.

It might not be enough to win a medal at the Olympics, but I guarantee that Greece is a shoe in and a lock to qualify with Spanoulis added to the team.

It's actually quite amusing reading comments suggesting otherwise. The teams that are going to be fighting an uphill battle are Puerto Rico FYROM - teams like that.

If Lithuania and Russia are "locks" as people here are claiming then Greece plus just Spanoulis and not even of the other players is also. Because if they would have had just Spanoulis they would have made the final of EuroBasket.

And I am pretty sure that some of those other players like Vasilopoulos and Perperoglou will also be available, which is a huge upgrade over Papanikoloau also.

I am sorry, but I would be absolutely shocked if Greece with Spanoulis failed to qualify, regardless of where this tournament is played.

For me, if it is in Russia it will be Lithuania, Greece, Russia. If it is in FYROM then it will be Lithuania, Greece and one of Russia/FYROM.

If it is in Puerto Rico then it will be Lithuania, Greece and one of Puerto Rico or Russia.

Lithuania with Kleiza and Greece with Spanoulis (not even considering numerous other players that might play) are clearly the strongest teams there. I mean sorry, but Russia would not beat them at all in a do or die game.

And sorry, but even at home Puerto Rico would not beat them.

If Greece came with a full roster (doubtful) - you never know, I don't see a team like FYROm or Puerto Rico even staying withing 20 points of them.

And it would be pretty odd if none of Greece's top players played at the Olympics. So some of these predictions are extremely optimistic to say the least (FYROM and Puerto Rican fans).

Mojado
09-22-2011, 09:33 AM
Any chance of Ariza playing for them? Mejia would be helpful but you always have to be skeptical about a guy who's never played before.

About Ariza:
http://www.suntci.com/index.php?p=story&id=159

Mojado
09-22-2011, 09:49 AM
lol, obviously they wouldn't be favorites, I'm just saying that they'd have a shot and the games would be competitive.

I remember talking to Charlie Villanueva and I think he said something along the lines of they wanted Ariza to play but it looks like he's not eligible (I guess one of the guys on their team counts as a naturalized player). I definitely think Mejia is needed on the DR regardless of him never suiting up. He brings another consistent wing scorer which they need and he can even step in and play the point.

Sosa, Mejia, Garcia, Villanueva, Martinez, and Horford is a really good core. Throw in guys like Flores and Baez and we're looking at a really solid team.

I watched around three to four games of DR recently and their problem is again now at the PG spot now that Sosa is out. Back at the last FIBA Americas, they had Luis Flores running the point, but he's a shooting guard in a point guard's body and also not really a passing guard but a pure shooter. He still did a solid job while Carlos Morban failed miserably back then. Sosa took care of the job until he broke his leg. Ramon is okay for a FIBA Americas tournament but is clearly not good enough for the OQT.

Also, when is DR learning to defend? Did anyone see the game against Brasil?

Victorious
09-22-2011, 09:50 AM
If Greece came with a full roster (doubtful) - you never know, I don't see a team like FYROm or Puerto Rico even staying withing 20 points of them.

And it would be pretty odd if none of Greece's top players played at the Olympics. So some of these predictions are extremely optimistic to say the least (FYROM and Puerto Rican fans).

That's exactly what I was thinking. Some people must be joking here. Good guards can elevate a team two or three levels. Greece has exceptional guards. Players other teams can only dream of. Let's face it, this year Greece didn't bring its B team, but its C team. The roster was full of inexperienced young nervous players and there was a new coach. Next year even with the same roster, Greece would be a lot stronger. However, the truth is that most players are willing to return. Only DD is a question mark.

I have no doubt that Greece will qualify next year.

Last year everyone criticized Greece because they let Russia beat them in order to avoid Spain and the USA. Russia was so bad compared to Greece that most people believed that Greece lost on purpose. Now all of the sudden Russia is a stronger team than Greece? I don't think so.

Lithuania is always a strong opponent, but seemed quite equal with the weakened Greek team who even played without (Zisis, Bourousis) in Kaunas. So even if Kleiza will come back, I can't see them beating a more complete Greece. Unless the tournament is in Lithuania.

Anyway, these three teams are going to qualify. Only Puerto Rico can perhaps pull a surprise.

FYROM? Don't want to disappoint the fans, but they will notice that winning a basketball game is a lot harder when people expect you to win and you are one of the favorites. So unless the tournament is in FYROM, I can't see them ending in the top 3.

Mindozas
09-22-2011, 10:35 AM
Like yesterday our federation's general secretary said - if China fails to win FIBA Asia champ, qualification tournament most probably will be held there. If we can try to match Russian offer, we won't be able to do that with China, our limit is 2mln euros - that was his words.
So I guess now I know who to support in FIBA Asia :cool: :)

Another thing I wouldn't like our NT to experience - aclimatization, if we'll qualify to Olympics, we should go throught this two times in a month, pure waste of time and energy, which we won't have a lot due very intense schedule with just finished clubs' season, almost no time to rest and to prepare, then if'll succeed, again just few weeks of same resting and preparing routine... Hopefully it'll be Europe or somewhere close to it, with Olympics bein' held also here.

Panathinaikos bc
09-22-2011, 11:17 AM
This Greek team we all saw is the next N.Team. It wasn't the B or the C team as many said.

I say all these because Shortsianitis Maurokefalidis Tsartsaris & Diamantidis won't play for Greece again.

WHY SOFO WON'T PLAY AGAIN as long as Zouros coaching the team.
Shortsianitis girlfriend, had some problems with her pregnancy during the preparation games. Sofo asked to leave the team in order to be next to her girlfriend. The Greek federation suggest to Sofo to leave the team during the preperation games and not follow them to Cyprus. But they wanted him back for the games in Lithuania.
The Greek federation provided any help to Sofo, but Sofo decided to leave the team permanently.
That's why the Greek federation is negative to accept him back in the squad.

WHY Maurokefalidis won't play again for Greece.
It was the second time that he denied to participate, and that was the end of his carrier in Greek NT.
The reasons was just some family problems as he claimed, problems that was so serious to make him not to travel with Greece, but small enough to let him travel to Russia in order to make his new contract. So who is he kidding ???

WHY Tsartsaris won't play again for Greece.

It was the second time he said that he wanted to have a rest. So now he can have it permanently. :D

WHY Diamantidis won't play again for Greece.
Because he retired from Greek N.T. In the age of 29 to 30, he decide that he had nothing more to offer to the team. AND I ASK HIM: The great German player that plays over 100 games in the NBA, why never felt the same?
Diamantidis is playing each year no more than 60-65 games.

Nowitzki is playing more than 100 games, plus that each game lasts 48 min instead of 40 here in Europe.

So Mr Diamantidis what's wrong with u mate? Nowitzki is older that you, more tired than u, and he still plays for Germans. :mad:

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So we have to forget all these ex players of our NT and focus to the new kids that wants to play and help the Greek squad.

The only players that had serious excuses for their absences were Spanoulis and Perperoglou because they were injured.
I don't see how these two additions will change the dynamic of our team though.
Of course Spanoulis will help a lot, and Perperoglou. But both of them ain't Nowitzki Parker or some super stars that can score 20 pts per game.

So we might face a problem and Greece it might not be so strong again as the previous NT was.
For sure we have a future as long as the Greek basketball produce talents. Unfortuanately our previous talents that came 2nd in the Mundobasket, and 1st in Eurobasket in 18-22 yo ages, were lost !!! Only Papanikolaou managed to play for a good pro club, and reach the men's National team.
Where are all the others? Pappas Bogris etc ???

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There's a ''but'' in this story though.

Because we are talking about for the Olympic games,(the ultimate games) I believe that the Greek federation along with coach Zouros, must approach all these absentees and have some serious conversation with them. Just in order to make the best team we can have.

The desirable team we want to have would be something like that I believe.

DIAMANTIDIS 1.96
CALATHES 1.97
SPANOULIS 1.92
ZISIS 1.94
VASILIADIS 1.96
BRAMOS 1.97 (or Perperoglou)
PAPANIKOLAOU 2.04 (or a healthy Vasilopoulos)
FOTSIS 2.08
MAVROKEFALIDIS 2.09
BOUROUSIS 2.12
KOUFOS 2.14
SHORTSIANITIS 2.06

But I don't think that we can make it come alive. :mad:

With that roster, with a full roster, I only afraid Argentina Spain & USA. All the other teams can lost from Greece. They almost did (Russia & France) from the so called ''B'' team, any way. So imagine a Full Greek roster. :rolleyes:

Robimkd
09-22-2011, 12:44 PM
Thanks for the info about Stefanov and Nikolovski. :)

Is this the same Micov we're talking about? The one that plays for Cantu is a 6'8" wing player.

No Antic?! Pero might make some dumb decisions but he has to be on the team, he's the heart and soul of the team it seems like...why in the world would Cekovski be chosen over Pero Antic?.




Thanks for the info about Stefanov and Nikolovski. :)

Is this the same Micov we're talking about? The one that plays for Cantu is a 6'8" wing player.

No Antic?! Pero might make some dumb decisions but he has to be on the team, he's the heart and soul of the team it seems like...why in the world would Cekovski be chosen over Pero Antic?.

Well look again :) I have Pero Antic in the team as power forward. I think you didint read the line up in a propper way so read it again.

Cekovski will not get any minutes next year but watch from the bench. Doubtful that we will have such bad luck with injuries for two consecutive years :).

The Vladimir Micov I speak about can play on several possitions.
He can play as shooting guard too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Micov



Riste Stefanov is hugely underrated by europe top clubs.

Hardly surprising when you consider that he had a fantastic Uleb Cup campaign 2009 with Lukoil averaging almost 14 points per game and showing how dangerous he can be from the perimeter.

He is considered to be the best shooter on the FYR of Macedonia roster and if he can get his bombs to drop then he could just provide the firepower to spring a few more surprises at the olympic.

A likely starter and at almost 2.00m, he doesn't just provide an outside threat, he will also grab his share of rebounds, make a smart pass when needed and provide intensity all over the court.

Robimkd
09-22-2011, 12:55 PM
Greece to me is the main favourite with all players back. Deferance between LTU-RUS and MKD is smaller than people think. A part from Greece it is wide open.

Porto Rico might have a word in it if they have a good shooting day.

BTW, it is not my business to say how Greek team should be but if you start an generation shift should be no turning back. Youngsters made a great result. Schortsanitis is one big boy :D

Greeks complaine on Makaleb and yet they have one african and 3 americans in the team :D.. Just tease a littel no hard feelings ;).

Panathinaikos bc
09-22-2011, 01:33 PM
Greeks complaine on Makaleb and yet they have one african and 3 americans in the team :D.. Just tease a littel no hard feelings ;).

You forget of course that Sofo's father is Greek as Koufos both parents are Greeks and Calathe's Bramos grandparents were Greeks.
Mc'alebb's parents were what ???

So there is no point in what you want to prove here.
As I told to another thread, if we would have done the same thing, with what u did with Mc'alebb, then we would have make Greek the BATIST in order to take advantage the pick&rolls with Diamantidis. BATIS is in greece over 8 years now and there's an excuse to give him the citizenship. But we wouldn't do such a thing.

What your country did with Mc'alebb was wrong. It's your choise of course to have an American player in your team with out having any roots connect him with your country. But it's not fair for the other teams. With that logic let's make Greeks, Itallians, Spanish, whatever,, all the good American players that haven't yet wear the USA jersey.

FYR of Macedonia is a former Yugoslavian school of basketball. You should stick to your people in order to create that school again. You won't find any year so good Americans to help your national team, after all.

That's my opinion. You have a solid good team. You don't need the Americans and especially some one that didn't even knew where FYROM was existed on the map.

What u did with Mc'alebb it's gonna harm your team in a depth of time.

You have the right to be happy for the success of your team. You came 4th and u deserved it. But tell me really? How happy can u be, when the achievement of 4th place in Europe, was not totally a conclusion of the FYROM basketball, but it came with the CLEARLY American help. From a guy that has nothing to do with your country, your culture your history, from a guy that he didn't even visit FYROM before.

Robimkd
09-22-2011, 01:53 PM
Aaaaa com on mate, next year you will say Vladimir Micov is Serbian basketball product so this is wrong by fyrom to make result with him :p

Macedonia playd semifinal not only because of Makaleb, as exampel we have much better defence today than what we had in Poland two years ago.

With out Makaleb we can not do this, but with out defence and Antic and Gecevski and Ilievski we can not do this too.

So semifinal is a mix of everything.

No it wos not any mistake to bring Makaleb in the team.

Before EC only 3.000 kids play basketball, today 75.000 !!!.

Висок лет на баскетот
http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/?ItemID=42E3ECFECAA0DE4AAE7B6A607CC43700
http://junior.com.mk/cms/home/

http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/WBStorage/Articles/5CC57836273A744C8A70CAAAA1D0174C.jpg

Robimkd
09-22-2011, 02:19 PM
Technically there is no difference between some of your players and Makaleb.

To me blood is not importent, importent is of you are product of the nations or not.

So of course Micov aint our product too but since many others use the rule with family ties we will too.

And of course with 75.000 kids we will get many more Stefanov, Naumoski in the future.

Will take at least 10 years until this new interest will have results.

After the Yugoslav break up we had no money to develop our sport, it fall a part on all youth sections.

But today it get better and better new money for youthe programe, new sport indoor halls. 115 small halls has been build in Macedonia over the last 3 years so even villages has halls today. But also swimming pools, football fields, etc.

Today we are very good at Basketball, Handball and Waterpolo.

We lost maybe 15 years because of the irresponsible criminal communist party in Macedonia.

We always had sport talent in our blood but with out conditions wos impossible.

soulis79
09-22-2011, 06:40 PM
Hi guys. I think that this qualifying tournament will be tougher than the previous one; if we compare the strength of the teams from each continent we will see differences.
• 2008 qualifying tournament, Greece was number 1 and the other European teams looked vulnerable. Now there will be no Greece of that strength (+ home advantage) and the outsiders look stronger (New Zealand then and now, Cape Verde-Nigeria, Angola)
• Teams from America in 2008: Canada-Puerto Rico-Brazil and 2012: DR-Puerto Rico-Venezuela. The two of the three teams look very competitive (DR-PR) if they have full strength.
Finally it is very important to know the host nation. If it is from Europe it would be very hard for the Americans, otherwise it would be very interesting…

Ciscorlie Horford
09-22-2011, 06:56 PM
Finally it is very important to know the host nation. If it is from Europe it would be very hard for the Americans, otherwise it would be very interesting…

not true, it is all about how the groups are formed. For Example The Dominican Republic by finishing third overall in America secured being head of group in the tournament. which means that we most likely will play in the same group as the first rank team form Africa, in this case Angola. and either New Zeland or an Asian countrie.

that means that we will not meet an european team untill the second or third round. Meanwhile, at least one European team won't make ti to the second round becuase they will be placed in a group with other European teams.

so it is almost imposible to say that this and that countrie will qualify if you don't know the groups yet.




and please cut it off with the Ariza talk already. Dominicans don't want him in the team. just because your grand parents are Dominicans that does not make you Dominican (legally it does, but I don't mean like that).

Dtown
09-22-2011, 07:58 PM
The groups, going off the previous tournament, is pretty easy to predict.

Last time it was broken into 3 pots, and four groups of three.

Pot 1 Had all the European teams.
Pot 2 Had the three Americas teams + New Zealand.
Pot 3 Had the Asian and African teams.

So it's not a matter of if you play a European team or not. It's a matter of which European team you have to play.

Straight forward
09-22-2011, 11:34 PM
Lithuania is always a strong opponent, but seemed quite equal with the weakened Greek team who even played without (Zisis, Bourousis) in Kaunas. So even if Kleiza will come back, I can't see them beating a more complete Greece. Unless the tournament is in Lithuania.


Greece is good and always dangerous. Will be improved with Spanoulis, no doubt. Could be even more improved with DD. Actually, I agree that Greece and Lithuania are favourites against Russia if those come with their key players (Spanoulis, Kleiza). But I can not agree that Greece would be favourites against Liths. Cutting of some weights and bringing back Kleiza with Mačiulis would make sharply improved version of Lithuania 2010. And we know what happened in 2010...

My point is that I don't know who would win, but I'm pretty sure Lithuania would be a hardcore team with improved heroes of 2010 + the additions of Valančiūnas, Motiejūnas and Gecevičius. (Unless Kemzura decides to slow things down with veterans). Lithuania should be completely different team in qualification, that is a fact in my account and I don't want even to consider other options. Old generation is gone, time to realise it and to give a shot for those who ready and hungry.

We are crying about PG, but the best player combined 2010 and 2011 is Mantas Kalnietis...

Ciscorlie Horford
09-23-2011, 01:26 PM
The groups, going off the previous tournament, is pretty easy to predict.

Last time it was broken into 3 pots, and four groups of three.

Pot 1 Had all the European teams.
Pot 2 Had the three Americas teams + New Zealand.
Pot 3 Had the Asian and African teams.

So it's not a matter of if you play a European team or not. It's a matter of which European team you have to play.

yes you are right, I was misinfored. i read something different in a Dominican paper. apparently their sport Editor only knows baseball:o

saalsapr
09-23-2011, 05:24 PM
From the Americas forum:



"we" = Puerto Rico

Now that we know the European teams, what point spreads are we going to use for the bet? Anyone else want in?

I say the combined spread for PR versus the four European teams should be 60 points. 70 if they host. Split it up any way you want as long as it's between 10-20 for each opponent.

Hmm Im going with

Beating Russia by 10 (15 if we host)

Beating Lithuania by 15 (20 if we host)

Beating Greece by 15 (20 if we host)

Beating Macedonia by 20 (25 if we host)


Back in 2008 our results against europeans was:

vs Croatia 81-95 -14
vs Slovenia 81-70 +11
vs Greece 63-88 -25
vs Germany 82-96 -14 combined: -42

Last year in Turkey

vs Russia 60-69 -9
vs Greece 80-83 -3
vs Turkey 77-79 -2 combined: -14


Hopefully none of the retired greeks decide to come back for the repechage, Lithuania plays like crap again, and we figure how to beat russian defense. Not to mention Macedonia comes back to earth.:D

As long as things go to plan, we beat greeks and macedonians, and tough it out against the remaining europeans.

Anyway, lets not forget Angola is in this preolympic, pretty dumb to be counting out a team that on a good day can beat Germany in double overtime;)

Ciscorlie Horford
09-23-2011, 05:45 PM
Hmm Im going with

Beating Russia by 10 (15 if we host)

Beating Lithuania by 15 (20 if we host)

Beating Greece by 15 (20 if we host)

Beating Macedonia by 20 (25 if we host)


Back in 2008 our results against europeans was:

vs Croatia 81-95 -14
vs Slovenia 81-70 +11
vs Greece 63-88 -25
vs Germany 82-96 -14 combined: -42

Last year in Turkey

vs Russia 60-69 -9
vs Greece 80-83 -3
vs Turkey 77-79 -2 combined: -14


Hopefully none of the retired greeks decide to come back for the repechage, Lithuania plays like crap again, and we figure how to beat russian defense. Not to mention Macedonia comes back to earth.:D

As long as things go to plan, we beat greeks and macedonians, and tough it out against the remaining europeans.

Anyway, lets not forget Angola is in this preolympic, pretty dumb to be counting out a team that on a good day can beat Germany in double overtime;)

and after you beat all those European teams you lose to the Phiillipines or Tunisia in the semifinals and get eliminated :D:p:p

Pero Antic
09-23-2011, 06:07 PM
Hi to everyone iam new in this thread:)

just read some the comments and must say that people still understemate us (Macedonia) and its ok thats our advantage.

first of all:
I think we should all hope that the chinese win the Asia basket tourney because if they dont qualify for the Olympics directly they will get this qualification tournement for sure (they have the money and resources)

second of all:
Russia, Lithuania, Macedonia and Greece are already seeded as group heads so there is no way the will play each other in the first round.

third and last:
In case china wins asia championship. Greece and Lithuania shouldnt get the organization of the OI-qualfyng tourney beacause Lithuania had the Eurobasket and Greece was the last country to organize the qualifers (altought they dont have the money:D)

so there is only:
Russia
Macedonia
Puerto Rico
Venezuela

If Russia wants this tourney they will get it they have the biggest
indoor arena and money isnt really a problem.

saalsapr
09-23-2011, 11:28 PM
and after you beat all those European teams you lose to the Phiillipines or Tunisia in the semifinals and get eliminated :D:p:p

Im actually hoping China doesnt go to the repechage, then we will surely get eliminated in the first round:D

JGX
09-24-2011, 01:24 AM
Hmm Im going with
Beating Russia by 10 (15 if we host)

Beating Lithuania by 15 (20 if we host)

Beating Greece by 15 (20 if we host)

Beating Macedonia by 20 (25 if we host)

Sounds good. I knew you wouldn't back away from your predictions like some other people here might.

If the tournament is held in Puerto Rico, does that mean my winnings are tax-free?

sagenas
09-24-2011, 04:34 PM
Hi to everyone iam new in this thread:)

just read some the comments and must say that people still understemate us (Macedonia) and its ok thats our advantage.

first of all:
I think we should all hope that the chinese win the Asia basket tourney because if they dont qualify for the Olympics directly they will get this qualification tournement for sure (they have the money and resources)

second of all:
Russia, Lithuania, Macedonia and Greece are already seeded as group heads so there is no way the will play each other in the first round.

third and last:
In case china wins asia championship. Greece and Lithuania shouldnt get the organization of the OI-qualfyng tourney beacause Lithuania had the Eurobasket and Greece was the last country to organize the qualifers (altought they dont have the money:D)

so there is only:
Russia
Macedonia
Puerto Rico
Venezuela

If Russia wants this tourney they will get it they have the biggest
indoor arena and money isnt really a problem.

Hello,

Who did ever mentioned possibility to see Greece organizing this event? No one even mentioned that...I think they're not among candidates at all.

And let me know, what does EuroBasket has to do with Olympics?

And furthermore, in past years Lithuania organised three events (U-16 European Championship, U-18 European Championship) and next year will hold U-17 World Championship and probably together with Latvians U-20 European Championship (this one FIBA Europe should accept, if Slovenia will decide to take U-18 Europe Championship).

Every event, which was held in our country, were absolute successful so why not continue it? If we can to make it as much good as other tournaments here were before, then I see no reason why should other country get rights to organize it.

P.s. do You believe what You write? Before this championship your team's aim was to qualify for second round (to qualify from weak group) and suddenly, out of nowhere, Macedonia became powerhouse? That's a joke. Really. :) It's basketball and it's not that simple. As it's common to say: "these times everyone knows how to play basketball", that's why anything can happen but let's stay on the ground. :)

Pero Antic
09-24-2011, 05:43 PM
Hello,

Who did ever mentioned possibility to see Greece organizing this event? No one even mentioned that...I think they're not among candidates at all.

And let me know, what does EuroBasket has to do with Olympics?

And furthermore, in past years Lithuania organised three events (U-16 European Championship, U-18 European Championship) and next year will hold U-17 World Championship and probably together with Latvians U-20 European Championship (this one FIBA Europe should accept, if Slovenia will decide to take U-18 Europe Championship).

Every event, which was held in our country, were absolute successful so why not continue it? If we can to make it as much good as other tournaments here were before, then I see no reason why should other country get rights to organize it.

P.s. do You believe what You write? Before this championship your team's aim was to qualify for second round (to qualify from weak group) and suddenly, out of nowhere, Macedonia became powerhouse? That's a joke. Really. :) It's basketball and it's not that simple. As it's common to say: "these times everyone knows how to play basketball", that's why anything can happen but let's stay on the ground. :)

I just mention all possible countries organzing it.

I never mention we are a powerhouse:confused:thats ridicilous. Our aim will stay the same in the next Eurobasket in slovenia to qualify for the second round notning wrong with that and yes we had a weak group everybody says that already but from that "weak" group we made it to the Semis along with Russia. IF Serbia beat Russia in the quaterfinals an Lithuania beat Macedonia than i would agree with you but we know what happend. So this "you had a weak group" thing is just a excuse for nothing.

Remember we played th whole tournment (11games) with just 6/7 players Todor Gecevski broke his hand unfortunatly the rest had some minor injuries and so on but they still managed to beat Lithuania in front of 15 000 fans on their home ground. Vlado Ilievski played the most minutes at the Eurobasket (atleast 35min every game) and some people still talkin about luck and weak groups etc.

Again Macedonia isnt a Basketball Powerhouse but every team especially in that qualiyfing tournement that understemate us is just stupid and will lose.

sagenas
09-24-2011, 06:09 PM
I just mention all possible countries organzing it.

I never mention we are a powerhouse:confused:thats ridicilous. Our aim will stay the same in the next Eurobasket in slovenia to qualify for the second round notning wrong with that and yes we had a weak group everybody says that already but from that "weak" group we made it to the Semis along with Russia. IF Serbia beat Russia in the quaterfinals an Lithuania beat Macedonia than i would agree with you but we know what happend. So this "you had a weak group" thing is just a excuse for nothing.

Remember we played th whole tournment (11games) with just 6/7 players Todor Gecevski broke his hand unfortunatly the rest had some minor injuries and so on but they still managed to beat Lithuania in front of 15 000 fans on their home ground. Vlado Ilievski played the most minutes at the Eurobasket (atleast 35min every game) and some people still talkin about luck and weak groups etc.

Again Macedonia isnt a Basketball Powerhouse but every team especially in that qualiyfing tournement that understemate us is just stupid and will lose.

No one is understimating Macedonia. When, for example, one your countrymen wrote here, that Russia isn't talented team and Macedonia could beat them without any problem with their full roster...that guy really understimated Russia.

My point that you can't understimate any team, but you should look at reality a little. If Macedonia is so strong then why they didn't have higher goals? After every good game all players of Macedonia said that they already achieved very much, more than anyone (including even themselves) expected and it's like a dream. Next time it can be different, people may look more seriously at Macedonia and you'll have probably different roster and so on...

If you follow basketball for a little longer time then you should realise that having better roster doesn't mean being better. Maybe with Gečevski you could have played even worse? Maybe he could have missed all his shots? Even Montenegro's roster looked quite good ("on paper" they were better than many other teams in the group) but we all known how it all turned out. In 2010 Lithuania had much weaker roster "on paper", we played in Turkey, but we managed to win against countries like Spain and France. If you carefully followed this discussion, I somewhere here mentioned that Macedonia reached it all by their heart, not skills.

You should understand how basketball works...things simply happen and even luck can mean a lot. Besides that, psychology means the biggest part of success in sports.

P.s. glad to see that after this year's success of Macedonia and partly Finland, more people from both countries visit this forums. :)

Pero Antic
09-24-2011, 06:39 PM
Ofcourse our players where happy after what they achieved:) I think predrag samargjiski sad that its a dream coming true or something.....

thats because noooooooone expected us to do this and everyone just looked shocked as we reached the quaterfinals and so on. If you profe the complete opsite of somethin that the whole world claimed before this tournement and that was that were gona get down in this group and get eliminated in 1round and than you show the whole world how bad their prediction was thats the feeling this boys had because noone believed but them.

And i know very well how basketball works everyone in macedonia does just because we weren´t 3times European champions and 3time bronze winner from the olympics doesnt mean that we dont now the game. Me and my countryman were growing up watching players like Drazen Petrovic, Vlade Divac, Toni Kukoc, Dino Radja playing dream basketball for YU back than believe me we know the game good enough and dont need any lesson from others. This never happend before in European Basketball the Underdogs always lost all their games.

PS: as for the russia game the second one was a deserved win they killed us with their rebounds and if we had gecevski we would have made some rebounds more but thats gone. The first game we played against them was a tough loss where the referee without any reson turned the time back so that russia have little more time to score......and they did winning by a triple in the very last second.
Macedonia would be better with a bigger roster because our keyplayers like Ilievski wouldnt play 35min per game. Todor Gecevski is for our defence not for the offence he dont have to score.

Shawshank
09-25-2011, 10:51 AM
i look at this tournament like this: to make top6 in eurobasket2011 was way harder than to make top3 in this qualifying tournament !
Its not fair from europe side to get only 2 places...europe has 7-8 strongest teams in the world from top10.
Comon you just look at the names that even didnt make top6 in eurobasket:
Serbia,Turkey,Croatia,Slovenia

and lets the strongest team non-europe is puerturico? How many games puertorico would win against those 4 teams ? 1 maybe 2?

Macedonia played very good and they deserve the spot,but it looked their were giving 100% thay are able to show in eurobasket.Other 3 euro teams didnt show maximum they are capable to do.If you ask me: russia,lietuva,greece is strongest no doubt ,macedonia and puerturico should fight for 4 place.Sorry macadenion warriors and dont believe miracles 2 years in row,but you know its sports you can expext anything anywhere...

sagenas
09-25-2011, 11:04 AM
Ofcourse our players where happy after what they achieved:) I think predrag samargjiski sad that its a dream coming true or something.....

thats because noooooooone expected us to do this and everyone just looked shocked as we reached the quaterfinals and so on. If you profe the complete opsite of somethin that the whole world claimed before this tournement and that was that were gona get down in this group and get eliminated in 1round and than you show the whole world how bad their prediction was thats the feeling this boys had because noone believed but them.

And i know very well how basketball works everyone in macedonia does just because we weren´t 3times European champions and 3time bronze winner from the olympics doesnt mean that we dont now the game. Me and my countryman were growing up watching players like Drazen Petrovic, Vlade Divac, Toni Kukoc, Dino Radja playing dream basketball for YU back than believe me we know the game good enough and dont need any lesson from others. This never happend before in European Basketball the Underdogs always lost all their games.

PS: as for the russia game the second one was a deserved win they killed us with their rebounds and if we had gecevski we would have made some rebounds more but thats gone. The first game we played against them was a tough loss where the referee without any reson turned the time back so that russia have little more time to score......and they did winning by a triple in the very last second.
Macedonia would be better with a bigger roster because our keyplayers like Ilievski wouldnt play 35min per game. Todor Gecevski is for our defence not for the offence he dont have to score.

Macedonia would be better "on paper" but that doesn't mean they would play better.

By the way, somehow I don't believe that many Macedonians do understand basketball...those, who were in Lithuania, before game against Lithuania declared that Macedonia is the strongest team and will win EuroBasket without any problems. I wouldn't call that "basketball knowledge". Just my two cents.

Pero Antic
09-25-2011, 11:54 AM
Macedonia would be better "on paper" but that doesn't mean they would play better.

By the way, somehow I don't believe that many Macedonians do understand basketball...those, who were in Lithuania, before game against Lithuania declared that Macedonia is the strongest team and will win EuroBasket without any problems. I wouldn't call that "basketball knowledge". Just my two cents.

I think on paper we are not even in the top10 in europe (have no NBA stars) so thats not true.

All i hear is miracle luck and other bullshit OMG especially at this Eurobasket you cant win 6 games in a row and called it luck thats pathetic come on. Some people still dont get it we played with 6/7 guys while lithuania had a full 12man roster....

And yes there were some guys from Macedonia who have no clou about basketball and didnt even now that macedonia played at Eurobasket before the 1/4finals but they had the conections and managed to get to Lithuania and because of 10 people you probably met there you are asuming something.

WE LOST AGAINST RUSSIA BEACUSE OF THE 40 REBOUNDS THEY HAVE and they scored by second chances. You dont have to be a basketball genius to see that we have had only 3big man in the whole team.

just cant realize that you guys call yourselfs experts but didnt see that:rolleyes:

anyway i hope for you and your team Lihuania that you are right and we will lose all our games next year and you will qualify for the Olympic games like always.

sagenas
09-25-2011, 12:41 PM
I think on paper we are not even in the top10 in europe (have no NBA stars) so thats not true.

All i hear is miracle luck and other bullshit OMG especially at this Eurobasket you cant win 6 games in a row and called it luck thats pathetic come on. Some people still dont get it we played with 6/7 guys while lithuania had a full 12man roster....

And yes there were some guys from Macedonia who have no clou about basketball and didnt even now that macedonia played at Eurobasket before the 1/4finals but they had the conections and managed to get to Lithuania and because of 10 people you probably met there you are asuming something.

WE LOST AGAINST RUSSIA BEACUSE OF THE 40 REBOUNDS THEY HAVE and they scored by second chances. You dont have to be a basketball genius to see that we have had only 3big man in the whole team.

just cant realize that you guys call yourselfs experts but didnt see that:rolleyes:

anyway i hope for you and your team Lihuania that you are right and we will lose all our games next year and you will qualify for the Olympic games like always.

What the hell are you talking? Do you understand how the game works? For example, in game against Lithuania your C Samardžiski got 10 rebounds and played 28 minutes. If he could have played less minutes and other player would have played more (let's say Gečevski), then Predrag probably wouldn't have got so much rebounds and maybe Gečevski wouldn't have got it either. Only 5 players play on the court at once and bigger rotation doesn't guarantee better game. Maybe Stojanovski wouldn't have hit 5 of 5 3-point shots if he wouldn't have been 29 minutes on the court.

Supply&Demand
09-25-2011, 01:39 PM
By the way, somehow I don't believe that many Macedonians do understand basketball...those, who were in Lithuania, before game against Lithuania declared that Macedonia is the strongest team and will win EuroBasket without any problems. I wouldn't call that "basketball knowledge". Just my two cents.

Oh great, because of these 10 people who were most likely just fired up for the game, I know nothing about basketball, a sport I've been following all my life.

Pero Antic
09-25-2011, 01:45 PM
What the hell are you talking? Do you understand how the game works? For example, in game against Lithuania your C Samardžiski got 10 rebounds and played 28 minutes. If he could have played less minutes and other player would have played more (let's say Gečevski), then Predrag probably wouldn't have got so much rebounds and maybe Gečevski wouldn't have got it either. Only 5 players play on the court at once and bigger rotation doesn't guarantee better game. Maybe Stojanovski wouldn't have hit 5 of 5 3-point shots if he wouldn't have been 29 minutes on the court.


Oh yes do you think our Coach is that stupid and would have changed Samargjiski for Gecevski??? NOO he would took Cekovski out and replace him with Todor so Samargjiski had played his 28minutes anyway and Stojanovski has made his 5/5 3points. Its about Cekovski who is PF( scored just 2points against Lithuania) and Gecevski would have played instead of him;). And believe me he would have scored much more then 2points but thats another IF nobody cares.

PS:
Really only 5 players:eek: on the court? i didnt know that at all. I´m sorry that i tried to discuss Basketball with you because as you sad Macedonians have no clue about that sport we should just leave it that way ok?

sagenas
09-25-2011, 02:08 PM
Oh yes do you think our Coach is that stupid and would have changed Samargjiski for Gecevski??? NOO he would took Cekovski out and replace him with Todor so Samargjiski had played his 28minutes anyway and Stojanovski has made his 5/5 3points. Its about Cekovski who is PF( scored just 2points against Lithuania) and Gecevski would have played instead of him;). And believe me he would have scored much more then 2points but thats another IF nobody cares.

PS:
Really only 5 players:eek: on the court? i didnt know that at all. I´m sorry that i tried to discuss Basketball with you because as you sad Macedonians have no clue about that sport we should just leave it that way ok?

Yeah, you perfectly know what coach would do. As far I can't predict the future, so I'm going to stay with my opinion.

Robimkd
09-25-2011, 02:37 PM
China book direct spot for the Olympic :D. This will give Macedonia bigger chances to host this event :).

Robimkd
09-25-2011, 02:46 PM
People from LTU has to understand that basketball is playd outside LTU as well :) how can we spread this sport across europ if you only think about yourself.

You hosted EC and thats that, give somebody else the chance :)


And yes Marin Dokuzovski say that Macedonia will beat Russia twice with Gecevski:
http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/?ItemID=5A667F4FFF579A4E834828C23C85455E

We will use only Predrag and Todor and not Cekovski so this is huge deferance. Todor is top 3 NLB center of all time and Cekovski is no one.

Since matches with out Gecevski wos very hard (43-25 rebs) and two lucky shots made it Monya (First match) and Bykov (Second match), we will win with 10 points if at least 35-27 rebs.

Pero Antic:

Gecevski is 10 times better offensive player too than Cekovski, not only defence. No way that Gecevski will miss 16, 3 pointers one after another :D

Supply&Demand
09-25-2011, 02:53 PM
When will the groups be chosen?

Also, how are the seeds chosen? By region, world ranking, etc.? I want to do a mock draw. :D

Robimkd
09-25-2011, 03:09 PM
Will be 4 groups with 3 teams.

All teams from europ will be seeded as 1 :)

Means that we can not play any team from europ until semifinal and final or bronze match.

We will have to beat at least one team from europ, in semifinal or bronze match.

sagenas
09-25-2011, 04:35 PM
You can have even LeBron James on the roster but that doesn't mean that he would make his shots. As you said:

basketball is playd outside LTU as well

That's why in basketball anything can happen ;)

If one player plays, then another one sits on the bench and that player can be the best in the wolrd but that can't guarantee good playing time.

You blame Čekovski who made some important shots in other games, he played good defense in some games and you can't be sure that any other player could have played better. It's basketball, you can't predict how final result would change with one player. Maybe Gečevski could score 30 points but that doesn't mean you team would win because when he shots, then other players don't.

If you call shots "lucky" that were hit by Russia, then we can all agree, that many McCaleb's shots that carried Macedonia out in some games, were lucky, too. It's absolutely the same thing.

Robimkd
09-25-2011, 05:01 PM
No way that Russia will have 22 offensive rebs against Macedonia with Gecevski in the team, no matter what you say.

Anyway I just make quotes from amateurs such as Marin Dokuzovski and David Blatt.

David told it would not be unfair if Macedonia at least had won one of the 2 games against us but that is sport.

Bykov prob the worst G at the EC, of balans with one hand makes the shot 15sec from time. He will never make that shot again.

Monya with the help from the glass scores a buzzer 3 pointer. Monya edmit after the game that he infact missed the shot it was not what he had planned.

Monya 3 pointer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3bz6zy9DzM

sagenas
09-25-2011, 05:27 PM
No way that Russia will have 22 offensive rebs against Macedonia with Gecevski in the team, no matter what you say.

Anyway I just make quotes from amateurs such as Marin Dokuzovski and David Blatt.

David told it would not be unfair if Macedonia at least had won one of the 2 games against us but that is sport.

Bykov prob the worst G at the EC, of balans with one hand makes the shot 15sec from time. He will never make that shot again.

Monya with the help from the glass scores a buzzer 3 pointer. Monya edmit after the game that he infact missed the shot it was not what he had planned.

Monya 3 pointer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3bz6zy9DzM

Where quotes? You should get back to the Earth already.

After saying that Bykov is the worst guard in EuroBasket, Russia is absolutely not talented team and other bullshit..you know, you make me laugh with things like this :D hey, with your abilities, you probably can futurecast who will qualify for coming football (soccer) WC? Despite that Lithuania sucks in football, our group isn't the hardest one. :D

Robimkd
09-25-2011, 05:41 PM
Amazing is that a basketball fan from LTU can not edmit what Dukozovski, Blatt and even some Russian players say.

Did not know that LTU-RUS relationships has become that good allready, maybe Poland too :D.

sagenas
09-25-2011, 05:49 PM
Amazing is that a basketball fan from LTU can not edmit what Dukozovski, Blatt and even some Russian players say.

Did not know that LTU-RUS relationships has become that good allready, maybe Poland too :D.

Quote what did they say? If anyone say that Macedonia deserved to win that game, then I agree but no one said that Macedonia WOULD WIN WITH GEČEVSKI FOR SURE and other crap like that. You should at least understand what are you talking about because you look really poor right now with the same statements in your every sentence. Give me PURE FACTS, not your predictions.

Robimkd
09-25-2011, 05:55 PM
Dokuzovski say we would beat Russia with Gecevski. David Blatt never mentioned Gecevski but like an gentlaman he say would not be unfair if Macedonia had won at least one of the matches against us. 50/50 matches.

Anyway thats history now :rolleyes:

Let move into the future and talk olympics :p :D:)

I hope that Predrag can develop in LTU.

Robimkd
09-25-2011, 06:02 PM
This is facts from Dokuzovski, use google he say we would beat Russia with Gecevski:
http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/?ItemID=5A667F4FFF579A4E834828C23C85455E


- Ако играше Гечевски со Русија, мислам дека ќе дојдевме до бронзата бидејќи клучот за нивниот триумф беше скок-играта. Со Тоше сигурно немаше да ни соберат толку топки под кошевите, ќе го извлечевме Мозгов надвор од рекетот и со некоја тројка мислам дека ќе победевме. Одлучуваа нијанси. Никој не н` надигра. Не е случајност или среќа што на сите мечеви противниците играа слабо, ние го натеравме да играат така - смета селекторот.
And when we talk about him it seems he will drop our NT :mad::mad::mad:



What the hell :mad:
http://www.ekipa.mk/Category.aspx?categoryId=2

Direct link:
http://www.ekipa.mk/News.aspx?newsId=923

Pero Antic
09-25-2011, 06:08 PM
Quote what did they say? If anyone say that Macedonia deserved to win that game, then I agree but no one said that Macedonia WOULD WIN WITH GEČEVSKI FOR SURE and other crap like that. You should at least understand what are you talking about because you look really poor right now with the same statements in your every sentence. Give me PURE FACTS, not your predictions.

Well its funny you guys experts said before the game there is no way lithuania is gona lose to MKD you were so confident by beating us that you even had stamped the semifinal tickets with your team in it. That tells alot about you and your nations respect towards other countries.

If you guys just had heard to Mr. Blatt........but you have your own experts right?!

Russia Head Coach David Blatt, a EuroBasket winner in 2007, warns Lithuania that the underdogs of the quarter-finals, Macedonia, are anything but an easy opponent;)

"We had to find every ounce of our ability and our solutions to be able to win against them.

"We didn't play well because they forced us not to play well:cool: and had a tough time because they are tough.

"They play a certain way. They wear you down, they attack you and teams get depressed and can drop off the map.

Blatt continued, "They play the right players for the right situations and they make it awfully hard. It really was a hard game for me to coach when facing such a worthy opponent."

http://www.eurobasket2011.com/en/cid_4,w7QjPeH-M,ty138LH2l3.teamID_2604.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf 9le2.season_2011.roundID_7526.coid_QDema5CRHaktvUe WXs5N12.articleMode_on.html

sagenas
09-25-2011, 06:37 PM
Well its funny you guys experts said before the game there is no way lithuania is gona lose to MKD you were so confident by beating us that you even had stamped the semifinal tickets with your team in it. That tells alot about you and your nations respect towards other countries.

If you guys just had heard to Mr. Blatt........but you have your own experts right?!

Russia Head Coach David Blatt, a EuroBasket winner in 2007, warns Lithuania that the underdogs of the quarter-finals, Macedonia, are anything but an easy opponent;)

"We had to find every ounce of our ability and our solutions to be able to win against them.

"We didn't play well because they forced us not to play well:cool: and had a tough time because they are tough.

"They play a certain way. They wear you down, they attack you and teams get depressed and can drop off the map.

Blatt continued, "They play the right players for the right situations and they make it awfully hard. It really was a hard game for me to coach when facing such a worthy opponent."

http://www.eurobasket2011.com/en/cid_4,w7QjPeH-M,ty138LH2l3.teamID_2604.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf 9le2.season_2011.roundID_7526.coid_QDema5CRHaktvUe WXs5N12.articleMode_on.html

You? WTF? I have never said stuff like that so forget it, we're speaking about different things right now.

And what it has to do with what we were argueing? It's not even in the same topic :D

I'm saying that you shouldn't get cocky. If you read this thread carefully, you should have seen your countrymen fellow saying that "Russia is untalented team" and he said that with Gečevski you, Macedonia, would beat Russia for sure. Please tell me, what the hell it is? Is it normal opinion with facts? No. Can we make any conclusion like that? No. So stop this nonsense. I'm not attacking Macedonia, what they have reached lately or any thing like that, I'm simply saying that you shouldn't get cocky and stay on the ground. Saying that "with Gečevski it would be better" is absofuckinglutely nonsense because that's not a fact, you can't be sure of that, you never know how player will perform.

Robimkd, your quote says that HE THINKS that with Gečevski you could have reached bronze, but that's not a fact. You can't guarantee that. I've written it so many times, and I'll repeat myself - if one player performs well, then there's very big possibility that others won't perform that well. Of course Gečevski would have been very big help, but you can't guarantee that f.e. Kirilenko couldn't have got 7 rebounds or scored some points. Every player brings something on the court and with good players sometimes it's even easier to lose.

P.s. in other words your coach explained it. Here with google translation:


Better to be a lower quality, but if we mean a positive and team player.

Sometimes worse players play better than those who are higher quality and you can't predict it.

Robimkd
09-25-2011, 07:10 PM
Well he also told he would grab a few rebs, you didint mention this :D:p

Cekovski didint play good against Russia :D sometimes he missed the whole basket :D and remember that pass to Makaleb just before HT :D

He wos just terriable man.

But he wos OK against Greece and Slovenia. Problem with Cekovski is 202 CM, simply to short so he will allways have problems against team as Russia with Mozgov, etc.

Well I think some of the poeple on interbasket thinks this is made by luck thats why i told what i told, it is made by hard work and that hard work will continue with our nightmare defence, we have found the ultimate chemistry and this will not change as long they play. I think this team can produce results for 2 and at most 3 more years.

2013 will be our biggest chance :) we will prob have the most experienced team while NBA stars usealy do not play EC when not playing Olympic the next year. Remember Poland ?.

Robimkd
09-25-2011, 08:09 PM
Marinas Dukozovskis


LTU yra trijų taškų teisę be staigmena akimirkų, Yummy.

SunOverHStreet
09-25-2011, 10:55 PM
I hope that Predrag can develop in LTU.
To develop? He's 25 and pretty much limited in some aspects. But, who knows, there's a saying that centers are like wine, the older the better. Maybe he'll learn to jack threes like Varda.:D

JGX
09-25-2011, 11:26 PM
Tournament isn't until next year and already people are arguing about it. Imagine if the Philippines had made it...the board would have exploded!

Robimkd
09-25-2011, 11:59 PM
To develop? He's 25 and pretty much limited in some aspects. But, who knows, there's a saying that centers are like wine, the older the better. Maybe he'll learn to jack threes like Varda.:D


He had a fantastic year in Turkey so what I saw the first matches was a disappointment but then later during the torny all of a sudden he started to play very well very impressive. To bad he wos limited in the 3th place match cuz of early fouls he could only play 14 min vs Russia cuz of two noon existing fauls and he playd great all 14 min. He playd fantastic against LTU and ESP.

Doubtful if Peja will ever hit a 3 pointer :D but he has developed the free throws a lot, with FMP he needed 10 to hit one :) it is not like that anymore.

At 2.15 he still has very good movements so he is not hendicaped by 215 so I see huge potential.

He should work very hard on pick and role and hook shots and than I see no limits for this man.

Anyway at 25 Todor Gecevski still playd Macedonian league believe it or not just as Vrbica Stefanov.

Seems like our players has to work very hard to come out I hope that changes after WC in LTU. Kiril Nikolovski is EL material and this would have been his ticket out in europ so thats pity with his injury.

Armani Milano try to sign Vojdan Stojanovski. He made a big mistake two weeks before the EC signing one yera deal with a club from Ukraina, and now they ask for big money from Milano.

He proved to be the best player on that possition and I talk about the whole EC not just our best player, fantastic defence player and very talented in offensive as well.

Dtown
09-26-2011, 12:21 PM
Tournament isn't until next year and already people are arguing about it. Imagine if the Philippines had made it...the board would have exploded!

I was hoping for a group of Philippines/Puerto Rico/and either Lithuania or Greece. Could you have imagined the game threads :p

Korea (read Philippines crappy free throws), probably saved this board from crashing.

CKR13
09-26-2011, 12:28 PM
Speaking of Korea, there are talks of sending a team minus the veterans that played in this year's FIBA Asia Championship. Maybe gone are Yang Dong-Geun, Kim Joo-Sung and Moon Tae-Jong.

They will be sending a rather young team made up of former U-19 standouts plus the young players that played in FIBA Asia.

So, South Korea will be using this tourney as a spring-board for the 2013 World Championships Qualification tournament.

sagenas
09-26-2011, 02:13 PM
I'm not going to repeat myself once again about all other stuff because I've written it so many times.

Speaking about Samardžiski, Lietuvos Rytas' head coach Aleksandr Džikič said that Predrag wasn't used very well in Macedonian team, that's why he had hard time there. So far in preparations with Lietuvos Rytas, he was really good.

Supply&Demand
09-26-2011, 02:41 PM
Speaking about Samardžiski, Lietuvos Rytas' head coach Aleksandr Džikič said that Predrag wasn't used very well in Macedonian team, that's why he had hard time there. So far in preparations with Lietuvos Rytas, he was really good.

What does he mean by 'not used well'? I thought Predrag performed very well throughout the tournament.

But good to see he's having a good preseason.

Robimkd
09-26-2011, 03:21 PM
I'm not going to repeat myself once again about all other stuff because I've written it so many times.

Speaking about Samardžiski, Lietuvos Rytas' head coach Aleksandr Džikič said that Predrag wasn't used very well in Macedonian team, that's why he had hard time there. So far in preparations with Lietuvos Rytas, he was really good.

Predrag had some amazing dubbel dubbels 20 points and 18 rebs against teams such as Efes, Besiktas, Ulker and Galatasaray, etc. But the worst games against the worst teams. The better team he playd against the better he produced, seems like he is an motivation player.

Same at the EC, very poor during the first half of the competition but very strong during the second half just a pity against Russia he could only play 14 min.

Efes wos interested as well but Rytas got him.

Btw the Kiril Nilkolovski I wos talking about just signed with Russian team Lokomotiv Kuban. New team mates are Massey, Bykov, Rivers, Traore, Brezec. Strong team.

Basketball section:
http://www.ekipa.mk/Category.aspx?categoryId=2

Direct link:
http://www.ekipa.mk/News.aspx?newsId=981


Pity he got that infection just days before the EC after beeing that good during the preperations.

Would like to see what we would have done with Samardziski, Nikolovski, Gecevski.

sagenas
09-26-2011, 04:50 PM
What does he mean by 'not used well'? I thought Predrag performed very well throughout the tournament.

But good to see he's having a good preseason.

Well, Džikič meant, that the way Macedonia plays, doesn't fit Samardžiski well. :)

Robimkd
09-26-2011, 05:04 PM
Well, Džikič meant, that the way Macedonia plays, doesn't fit Samardžiski well. :)

Ww play unique basketball since we have so many that can shot behind the arc, we very often play with five man behind the arc special when Gecevski play. One of the best 3 point centers in europe.

Samardziski do not suit this style of basketball by obvious reasons. Even Nikolovski can fire the gun behind the arc.

When Gecevski got injured we changed our play a littel bit so we can use Predrag under the basket better and it seems it helped Predrag since he also playd better.

Nice combinations between Pero and Predrag, Predrag did give Gasol brothers a very hard fight and he wos capable to take them on, he wos not scared to make one hand dunk in front of Gasol face and not just onece :).

sagenas
09-26-2011, 05:52 PM
Ww play unique basketball since we have so many that can shot behind the arc, we very often play with five man behind the arc special when Gecevski play. One of the best 3 point centers in europe.

Samardziski do not suit this style of basketball by obvious reasons. Even Nikolovski can fire the gun behind the arc.

When Gecevski got injured we changed our play a littel bit so we can use Predrag under the basket better and it seems it helped Predrag since he also playd better.

Nice combinations between Pero and Predrag, Predrag did give Gasol brothers a very hard fight and he wos capable to take them on, he wos not scared to make one hand dunk in front of Gasol face and not just onece :).

Coaches and other scouts say that Macedonia plays like that to give more space for McCaleb to penetrate. I would definitely agree.

Robimkd
09-26-2011, 06:13 PM
This is what Sergio Skariolo says:
http://www.ekipa.mk/News.aspx?newsId=657


Spain's coach, Sergio Skariolo before today's semifinal match in Lithuania Evrobasket our team noted that if one wants to beat Macedonia each team must have a Plan B and how to stop Bo Mekejleb.



"We have prepared a few things that hopefully will work. If we fail in that then we have Plan B on how to stop Mekejleb. He is an excellent player who knows when is the right moment to penetrate to the basket, how to move ... For its flaws have nothing much to say "- says Skariolo.



However, coach of defending champion and European champion feared by some other things that Macedonia under the leadership of Marin Dokuzovski presented in this championship.



"I am afraid their structure of the team, especially their maximum willingness to kill the rhythm of the match. Play with five players behind the line for three points, then immediately be able to regroup to jump play under the basket "- highlights Skariolo, whom Macedonia has several players from the European class.



"MekKejleb is phenomenal. I do not know whether the first and second player in Europe but there is somewhere. Antic is also superb and the game in great shape. There is always Ilievski and have good shooter as Vojdan Stojanovski "- Spain coach comment before today's match with Macedonia in Kaunas, which starts from 16:30.

Ciscorlie Horford
09-27-2011, 08:00 PM
if you look up the defenition of a troll in the dictionary you can now find a picture of Robimkd smiling next to the definition.

latin scientific name is "Trollus macedoneus" :rolleyes:

Robimkd
09-27-2011, 09:25 PM
Dictionary says that troll make provocations.

Only thing I told is that Russia has poor back court players witch also happens to be true.

I do not understand what this has to do with trolling ?. Anyway.

Supply&Demand
10-07-2011, 08:44 PM
When will the groups be selected?

sixama23
10-07-2011, 09:22 PM
When will the groups be selected?

The deadline for the teams which qualified to confirm their participation, is on 31st of January. So i think that the draw will take place someday near this date.

As for the host country, it should be announced until Christmas...

cardenales
10-13-2011, 02:17 AM
Im pretty sure that is going to be Russia. Puerto Rico is out of the picture for the host. I havent hurt about other countries that offer to be the host so Russia should be the one.

GustavoGanso
10-19-2011, 12:48 AM
one spot is to South Korea... the 2 others I don't know. ;):cool:

Straight forward
10-19-2011, 10:46 PM
Im pretty sure that is going to be Russia. Puerto Rico is out of the picture for the host. I havent hurt about other countries that offer to be the host so Russia should be the one.

Lithuania is about to take a shot, even though federation won't have any financial support from government.

Mindozas
10-20-2011, 03:06 PM
Im pretty sure that is going to be Russia. Puerto Rico is out of the picture for the host. I havent hurt about other countries that offer to be the host so Russia should be the one.

Our federation's general secretary said that Puerto Rico is among candidates, along with Korea, Russia and Lithuania. While Greece and FYROM won't try to host the event.

12th of December will be the judgement day... Hopefully it'll be Europe and to escape from all the BS around our NT with stupid commercials, useless additional pressure - even wouldn't mind if it'd be Russia, as long as it's in Europe :cool:

UMUT_FB_LAL
10-22-2011, 02:01 PM
Why doesn't Macedonia try to host? They must do anything to make a once in a lifetime opportunity like this work

Pantheon
10-24-2011, 07:47 AM
Why doesn't Macedonia try to host? They must do anything to make a once in a lifetime opportunity like this work

Probably because of the cost. It was something like €5 million euros cost for Greece 4 years ago.

sixama23
10-25-2011, 01:53 PM
Our federation's general secretary said that Puerto Rico is among candidates, along with Korea, Russia and Lithuania. While Greece and FYROM won't try to host the event.

12th of December will be the judgement day... Hopefully it'll be Europe and to escape from all the BS around our NT with stupid commercials, useless additional pressure - even wouldn't mind if it'd be Russia, as long as it's in Europe :cool:

Greek media are reporting that Greece and FYROM will support Lithuania to host the event. They also reporting that probably Russia will support them too. It seems that finally it will be a "battle" between Puerto Rico and Lithuania.

As a Greek, i prefer Lithuania because the venues are familiar to our NT and the trip is gonna be shorter than a travel to PR. But it's unfair for PR. They deserve to host a big international basketball event such as the Olympic Qualifying Tournament. Also Lithuania had a big chance at the last Eurobasket to qualify directly for the Olympics by playing in front of their crowd. They do not deserve a second one, under the same circumstances... :)

pigintheair
10-25-2011, 07:44 PM
Lolololo

Straight forward
10-25-2011, 11:37 PM
Greek media are reporting that Greece and FYROM will support Lithuania to host the event. They also reporting that probably Russia will support them too. It seems that finally it will be a "battle" between Puerto Rico and Lithuania.


That's correct. Lithuania somehow managed to agree with Greece and Macedonia that they won't take part (well, Macedonia will play in their historical victory land, so why to bother?). Lithuania and Russia agreed that Lithuania has to go with this.

It would be better that Puerto Rico for Europan teams, but I agree that for Lithuania It would be better Russia. No familiar faces, no families, friends and the pressure. On other hand, maybe that supposed a big thing "home support" will work out for Lithuania in second time?

thegreekmeister
10-26-2011, 01:49 AM
How does it work? Countries vote for it or what? I mean if more than 1 country wants to organize the event.

tres equis
10-26-2011, 03:40 AM
Greek media are reporting that Greece and FYROM will support Lithuania to host the event. They also reporting that probably Russia will support them too. It seems that finally it will be a "battle" between Puerto Rico and Lithuania.

As a Greek, i prefer Lithuania because the venues are familiar to our NT and the trip is gonna be shorter than a travel to PR. But it's unfair for PR. They deserve to host a big international basketball event such as the Olympic Qualifying Tournament. Also Lithuania had a big chance at the last Eurobasket to qualify directly for the Olympics by playing in front of their crowd. They do not deserve a second one, under the same circumstances... :)

I agree!!!!:D

sixama23
10-26-2011, 12:42 PM
How does it work? Countries vote for it or what? I mean if more than 1 country wants to organize the event.

As far as i know, the Central Board of FIBA, which is composed of 23 members, is responsible for such decisions. Richard Carrion is a current member of the Board, so that might be an advantage for Puerto Rico...:)

Mindozas
11-01-2011, 01:16 PM
So afterall, FYROM are among the candidates to host the event. Goverment paid FIBA the money and they joined Lithuania in the list. Seems like so far only 2 countries did that... But it's not comfirmed yet

Beastly
11-01-2011, 01:25 PM
Still bitter that we we're 1 win away from playing here :(

sixama23
11-01-2011, 04:36 PM
So afterall, FYROM are among the candidates to host the event. Goverment paid FIBA the money and they joined Lithuania in the list. Seems like so far only 2 countries did that... But it's not comfirmed yet

Now it's official: FYROM, Lithuania, Angola and Venezuela are the four candidates.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/presRele/p/newsid/49901/presReleArti.html

Mojado
11-01-2011, 04:37 PM
2nd -8th July 2012:
Countries that want to host it are:
Angola
FYROM
Lithuania
Venezuela

I would love to see it in Venezuela since Puerto Rico did not go for it, but it comes down to the first three because of money issues.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/presRele/p/newsid/49901/presReleArti.html

Ciscorlie Horford
11-01-2011, 05:03 PM
Angola no Petroleum
Macedonia (I refuse to call it FYROM, Article 19, Human Rights) no Petroleum
Lithuania no Petroleum
Venezuela Petroleum:)

Mojado
11-01-2011, 05:22 PM
Angola no Petroleum
Macedonia (I refuse to call it FYROM, Article 19, Human Rights) no Petroleum
Lithuania no Petroleum
Venezuela Petroleum:)

Correction:
"making Angola sub-Saharan Africa’s biggest producer after Nigeria. Oil accounts for more than half of the country’s GDP, 80% of the government’s revenues and 90% of export earnings. "


http://www.economist.com/node/15401935

Ciscorlie Horford
11-01-2011, 05:27 PM
Correction:
"making Angola sub-Saharan Africa’s biggest producer after Nigeria. Oil accounts for more than half of the country’s GDP, 80% of the government’s revenues and 90% of export earnings. "


http://www.economist.com/node/15401935


I see....

correction:
Macedonia, no Petroleum
Lithuania, no Petroleum
Venezuela, Petroleum:)
Angola, is somewhere in Africa:(

Robimkd
11-01-2011, 05:30 PM
I see....

correction:
Macedonia, no Petroleum
Lithuania, no Petroleum
Venezuela, Petroleum:)
Angola, is part of Africa:(

But what we have is a goverment that will pay as much as it takes to bring home this -).

We will not let this OG chance slip away :)

Ciscorlie Horford
11-01-2011, 05:33 PM
But what we have is a goverment that will pay as much as it takes to bring home this -).

We will not let this OG chance slip away :)

you need to build arenas before you can host anything

Robimkd
11-01-2011, 05:39 PM
You mean that an 8.000 capacity arena will not do it for an OG Q torney :)

sixama23
11-01-2011, 06:28 PM
you need to build arenas before you can host anything

I think that Boris Trajkovski Arena is OK for this tournament.
If i am correct, FYROM has already hosted some FIBA Europe's Youth tournaments, so they have some organizing experience.

Angola has a 8,000 capacity indoor arena in Luanda.
Venezuela has a lot of big and nice basketball arenas.
All four countries have venues which can host such tournaments.

Russia and Greece are both supporting Lithuania...:)

Mindozas
11-01-2011, 06:33 PM
You mean that an 8.000 capacity arena will not do it for an OG Q torney :)

While Lithuania can offer 15k venue? Mhh, I'd say quite big difference here and minus for your country. F.e Angola also has only ~7k arena. While Venezuela for sure has one with atleast 10k, remember watching some bball game there.
However, I don't care too much where it'll be held, as long as it's not Venezuela... Time difference, acclimatization would be big disadvantage and would take away some precious time for resting/preparations and etc.

Supply&Demand
11-01-2011, 07:11 PM
Lithuania has had their turn and now it is time to spread the tournaments around a bit. It is true that they have the best technical bid, but this is not the only factor to consider. South Africa's World Cup bid probably sucked compared to a potential bid from England (for example), but S.Africa was chosen because the tournament's got to be spread around.

Robimkd
11-01-2011, 08:40 PM
I will present to you our basketball offer later this evening. Arena, Hotels, Airport, etc..

Robimkd
11-01-2011, 10:44 PM
This would be the main arena

Capacity is 8.000 but you can push as much as 10.000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haaLFotRatM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xbfvsIsjsE
http://www.ekipa.mk/Pictures/News/sa...i%20golema.jpg


I guess the other group might play in the new MZT arena
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/a.../s3000_w07.jpg

Capacity 5.000.


Boris Trajkovski sport center is large and just 100 metre from the arena we have this 5 star hotel aleksandar palace.
http://vest.com.mk/WBStorage/Articles/CACC4DA217F0AA4790D2352A51AA5A6B.jpg

It is an advantage to have such an hotel
so close as 100 metre
http://www.aleksandarpalace.com.mk/


Also this brand new olympic pool next to BT center:
http://www.build.mk/docs/users/1/Proekti/Sportski/Bazen%20Mladost%20Karpos/Bazen%20Mladost%200302.jpg
http://www.build.mk/docs/users/1/Proekti/Sportski/Bazen%20Mladost%20Karpos/Bazen%20Mladost%200310.jpg

Out side the arena you can drive go cart or play icehockey
Go cart
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2629/img0290iu.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tif3GPgtq_c&feature=player_embedded


Inside arena
If you want you can drink and eat
watching basketball at the same time
http://www.salaboristrajkovski.gov.mk/infosliki/vip1.jpg

Warm up hall
http://www.salaboristrajkovski.gov.mk/infosliki/malasala.jpg

Great press center with mini bar
http://www.salaboristrajkovski.gov.mk/images/stories/konferenciska/3.jpg
http://www.salaboristrajkovski.gov.mk/images/stories/konferenciska/5.jpg
http://www.build.mk/docs/users/cloverstack/sportski/scbt/sala%20boris%20trajkovski%2002%2021.jpg

GYM for the players:
http://www.salaboristrajkovski.gov.mk/images/stories/fitnes/15.jpg
http://www.salaboristrajkovski.gov.mk/images/stories/fitnes/x6.jpg

Bowling with mini bar:
http://www.salaboristrajkovski.gov.mk/images/stories/kuglana/kuglana%286%29.jpg
http://www.salaboristrajkovski.gov.mk/images/stories/kuglana/kuglana%2812%29.jpg



So as you can I think bote taveling fans and players will love it. Nothing to complain about realy.

Airport is brand new
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j352/lslcrew4/VH_20110904_7080.jpg
http://www.build.mk/docs/pics/aerodrom/DSCN3128.JPG
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8539/image11jv.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j352/lslcrew4/NAK_1880.jpg
http://www.build.mk/docs/pics/aerodrom/DSCN3010.JPG
http://www.build.mk/docs/pics/aerodrom/DSCN3013.JPG
http://www.build.mk/docs/pics/aerodrom/DSCN3038.JPG
http://www.build.mk/docs/pics/aerodrom/DSCN3051.JPG


Skopje has changed during the last 4 years into a prity modern europe city.

400 new busses:
http://www.zdravo.com.mk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/dvokatni-promocija-2011-sep-1410.jpg
http://www.zdravo.com.mk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/dvokatni-promocija-2011-sep-1412.jpg

Clip with our basketball team in Skopje
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06dA1N5sXQ&feature=player_embedded


All roads have been refreshed in Skopje or new one has been build.

As you can see Greuevski has not wasted just on bullshit -).


Food you have fast food such as Macdonlads and Burger King but also Italian, China resturants.

Things to see one not as a greek to visit the new center and aleksander -).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-S3hI9hfw0&feature=related


Very nice colors at night, watch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6TLDg969mk&feature=related


This is evry nice at nights and you go with this elevator.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/548/52789101.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mEMCK.jpg
http://www.build.mk/docs/users/1/Infrastruktura/_Razno/Zicarnica%200210.jpg


Technically, there's no reason not to give us this event we have the infrastructure to make bothe players and fans happy in the arena but also in the city.

Noone needs those baits.
JPF

If capacity 8.000 is small why not play in our soccer stadium :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoIc7jW2UU4

Use half of it make a roof.

But I think Boris Trajkovski will do it, lets be real it is a good place.

Mojado
11-02-2011, 09:27 AM
I see....

correction:
Macedonia, no Petroleum
Lithuania, no Petroleum
Venezuela, Petroleum:)
Angola, is somewhere in Africa:(

I see...no english skills to understand the link I've posted. Angola=petroleo. Angola=Mucho dinero. :D

sixama23
11-02-2011, 03:18 PM
This would be the main arena

Capacity is 8.000 but you can push as much as 10.000.

I guess the other group might play in the new MZT arena
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/a.../s3000_w07.jpg

Capacity 5.000.

There is no need for a second arena. The duration of the tournament is short and the format will be the same as 2008, 4 groups and 4 games per day until the semis. This means that all games will be played in one city and probably at the same venue.

Some Greek media are reporting that Lithuania is acting against the FYROM bid because they think that FYROM really doesn't have the money to host the event and their bid doesn't guarantee the required standards of FIBA.

Maybe some guy from Lithuania can give us more details about this...:)

Mindozas
11-02-2011, 03:34 PM
There is no need for a second arena. The duration of the tournament is short and the format will be the same as 2008, 4 groups and 4 games per day until the semis. This means that all games will be played in one city and probably at the same venue.

Some Greek media are reporting that Lithuania is acting against the FYROM bid because they think that FYROM really doesn't have the money to host the event and their bid doesn't guarantee the required standards of FIBA.

Maybe some guy from Lithuania can give us more details about this...:)

Our general secretary expressed doubts that FYROM paid the money (20k Swiss franks, which won't be refunded in any case) in time, if they paid at all and FIBA doesn't provide this info, which looks suspicious. So it might be that the rules were broken.

Ciscorlie Horford
11-02-2011, 04:07 PM
This would be the main arena

Capacity is 8.000 but you can push as much as 10.000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haaLFotRatM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xbfvsIsjsE
http://www.ekipa.mk/Pictures/News/sa...i%20golema.jpg


I guess the other group might play in the new MZT arena
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/a.../s3000_w07.jpg



ok you convinced me it is a really nice arena. It is a shame that one side of it is wasted with that ungly empty wall, you could have added another 300-900 seats there instead

look at all that wasted space here.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Boris_Trajkovski_Sports_Arena-_east.JPG

Robimkd
11-02-2011, 04:26 PM
You could make the picture littel bit smaller.

Yee the wall i hate it... Should have been made a 4th tribune.

In fact allready exist an artificial tribune now days next to the wall. Capacity is 469. We can build it bigger to have capacity 1000.

People think that we should make that
tribune bigger
since no one use the first level
a part of playing Ping Pong.
http://www.salaboristrajkovski.gov.mk/images/stories/pingpong/3.jpg

The resturant is in the second floor and the sport bar at the 3th floor.

Not importent for Ping Pong players to have any views on the basketball court.

Robimkd
11-02-2011, 04:41 PM
Our general secretary expressed doubts that FYROM paid the money (20k Swiss franks, which won't be refunded in any case) in time, if they paid at all and FIBA doesn't provide this info, which looks suspicious. So it might be that the rules were broken.

Well maybe Former CCCP republic of LTU can stop talking bullshit.

FCROL talk a lot of shit lately in the media (excuse my language). Talling that Macedonia will support LTU wos just noonsen (someone mentioned it on this topic few days ago) and never mentioned by our basketball federation noor our media.

And this is another lie that we didint paid money -)))).

viewet
11-02-2011, 05:18 PM
thanks for the nice post.please keep on sharing!Thankyou

Supply&Demand
11-02-2011, 05:28 PM
Our general secretary expressed doubts that FYROM paid the money (20k Swiss franks, which won't be refunded in any case) in time, if they paid at all and FIBA doesn't provide this info, which looks suspicious. So it might be that the rules were broken.

Lithuania still seems a bit peeved about that quarterfinal game. Shame that they have this attitude. My opinion of them has gone down considerably because of this issue. But assuming this is true, it is good news for us, as FIBA apparently wants us to bid even without the money.

Mindozas
11-02-2011, 05:35 PM
Well maybe Former CCCP republic of LTU can stop talking bullshit.

FCROL talk a lot of shit lately in the media (excuse my language). Talling that Macedonia will support LTU wos just noonsen (someone mentioned it on this topic few days ago) and never mentioned by our basketball federation noor our media.

And this is another lie that we didint paid money -)))).

It's one of those times when sayin': "You've missed a perfect opportunity to stay silent" suits perfect... http://community.secondlife.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/6299iDC1A1164915592DF/image-size/large?v=mpbl-1&px=600


Lithuania still seems a bit peeved about that quarterfinal game. Shame that they have this attitude. My opinion of them has gone down considerably because of this issue. But assuming this is true, it is good news for us, as FIBA apparently wants us to bid even without the money.

What if has to do with that game? it seems like you are the ones who remembers it till now... Sunday was the last day to submit the bid, it was announced on Monday that Macedonia is in, so it's natural that there're some questions. Especially since FIBA doesn't want to clarify some things and hidin' it. Moreover it was really unexpected, cause your federation claimed that they won't go for a bid due lack of money and along with Greece and Russia promised to support Lithuania in a competition against other continents and now suddenly you're in... So what's not so clear here?
However, as our federation claimed, they has nothing against it and it's great that some country's goverment makes such moves to help sports, so no hard feelings from our fed's side and let the best one win.

Supply&Demand
11-02-2011, 05:58 PM
What if has to do with that game? it seems like you are the ones who remembers it till now... Sunday was the last day to submit the bid, it was announced on Monday that Macedonia is in, so it's natural that there're some questions. Especially since FIBA doesn't want to clarify some things and hidin' it. Moreover it was really unexpected, cause your federation claimed that they won't go for a bid due lack of money and along with Greece and Russia promised to support Lithuania in a competition against other continents and now suddenly you're in... So what's not so clear here?
However, as our federation claimed, they has nothing against it and it's great that some country's goverment makes such moves to help sports, so no hard feelings from our fed's side and let the best one win.

It wasn't unexpected. In fact, I would be very shocked (and disappointed) if we didn't bid. We had declared our interest after Eurobasket and we all knew this would come from the government. Your general secretary should focus on his bid and not others.

Robimkd
11-02-2011, 06:03 PM
Yeee keep silant let the former Poland and CCCP spread lies.

Mindozas
11-02-2011, 06:10 PM
It wasn't unexpected. In fact, I would be very shocked (and disappointed) if we didn't bid. We had declared our interest after Eurobasket and we all knew this would come from the government. Your general secretary should focus on his bid and not others.

How come it wasn't unexpected, when even yours federation's president didn't have hopes to make a bid and few days ago told that it'd be a miracle if they'll get the money :confused: Btw if it was clear just after Eurobasket, why did the bid was made just a moments before deadline? I understand that you wanted to organise it, but the facts were simple - you got no support from goverment and cause of that - no money.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have problems with it and as I've already wrote few times - I'm not sure if I want Lithuania to host the event, but just your words contradicts the facts and words of Lekic

Robimkd
11-02-2011, 06:16 PM
There is no need for a second arena. The duration of the tournament is short and the format will be the same as 2008, 4 groups and 4 games per day until the semis. This means that all games will be played in one city and probably at the same venue.

Some Greek media are reporting that Lithuania is acting against the FYROM bid because they think that FYROM really doesn't have the money to host the event and their bid doesn't guarantee the required standards of FIBA.

Maybe some guy from Lithuania can give us more details about this...:)

Have no clue what this is all about to me it smells like the ugly games has started. And lets not be naive vast majority of the Greeks will support them (But lets try to ignore that reality on this topic).

Bothe LTU and GRE knows that we are a serious candidate when we now succeeded to out play Russia with a nice game of poker :):D;) ;)

As I allready proved one page back on this topic technical there is no reason to not give us this event. We have the sport infrastructure, Hotel, and also now days very good city infrastructure and airport close to the city.

Money aint any problem goverment invested 400 milion euros on bullshit anothers 400 milon euros on good stuff last 4 years so what is 3 milion euros ?. Last night our GOV did give FIBA economic guarantees END OF THE STORY !!!!!!.

So lets stop wih the lies. If you do not want us to host it that is one thing but lets keep to the truthe and lets stop with made up lies from LTU media.

The ugly game has started. I am not suprised LTU think they own the basketball world and this wos to be expected.

Joško Poljak Fan
11-02-2011, 11:16 PM
Any further discussion derailing from the thread topic in particular Macedonia - Greece issue or OT leaning towards this subject will result in ban's without warning.

JPF

CKR13
11-03-2011, 08:33 AM
Since a lot of veterans from the South Korean National Team are still undecided for next year's qualification tournament, there is talk of maybe sending a youth oriented team to make it a base as a training ground for future international tournaments.

South Korea won't qualify to the Olympics even if the veterans played, so I think this could be the roster:

C Kim Seung-Won / Kim Jong-Kyu / Jang Jae-Suk
F Oh-Se Keun / Choi Bu-Kyung
F Choi Jin-Soo / Ham Nu-Ri / Lee Dong-Yup
G Lee Jung-Hyun / Kim Min-Gu /
G Park Chan Hee / Kim Sun-Hyung

Young and athletic, but lacks the shooting of the traditional South Korean Teams of the past.

Robimkd
11-03-2011, 04:05 PM
Macedonian media has started to keep an eye on LTU media and LTU basketball federation since 2 days back in time. If some lie need to be corrected and so we can inform Fiba about it.

Today they say chances are 50/50 between LTU and MKD.

Google translate.


Chances between Macedonia and Lithuania 50-50!
03/11/2011.

"Macedonia and Lithuania have equal, 50-50, a chance to get the organization of Pre-tournament next year," said the Lithuanian media General Secretary of the Lithuanian Basketball Federation Mindaugas Balchiunas. Just a few days and FIBA ​​announced that Macedonia, Lithuania, Venezuela and Angola are candidates to organize the tournament, already spread rumors about who is the frontrunner, so Lithuanians have pushed this topic in the media.

"We were recently in the Macedonian capital, Skopje. There they really have great hotels and one of the hotels is located right next to the sports arena. Such an event for them is certainly a challenge and incentive to improve basketball and because everyone in the country will focus on to get the tournament. FIBA may tell us that we had a big tournament like Eurobasket, so it would be glad if other countries in the continent get the organization. However, I think FIBA ​​will play the commercial factor, the odds will be measured in money, "says Balchiunas.

The decision of the organizer will fall on December 11 on the second day of the meeting of the Board of FIBA ​​in Madrid.

Straight forward
11-06-2011, 10:58 PM
I don't care too much about the location. It might be even better to play in Macedonia. No friends around, no illusions of any kind of support, concentration. And if Kemzura (hopefully) decides to go with young roster, it wouldn't be the problem to start preparation earlier and to land in Macedonia as early as it needs to get 100% ready for the tournament.

Jon_Koncak
11-07-2011, 11:51 AM
Lithuania should withdraw their bid since there is interest from other countries to host the tournament.Makes no sense for one country to host two consecutive big events.

Robimkd
11-08-2011, 04:13 PM
Honestly LTU media what wrong with your head :confused:
http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_np,7Sp1QH6gBs9R33dW8-3.coid_,vPY,ETDHRUC3bd8-pbyY2.articleMode_on.html

Ddidint you cross the line this time ? not that you didint last few days but this one :confused:.

Vazzy
11-08-2011, 06:28 PM
interview with A.Sabonis :

Journ : what do you think about the Facebook vote which FIBA has created?
Sabonis : If they want to turn this OQ into Eurovision, good luck for them.
but if they are going to choose carefully we should see real result at december 11-12.

Robimkd
11-08-2011, 06:46 PM
It is a tie on the voting -). And that is a complimet to us only shows that most objective voters vote for Macedonia since we are only 2 milion Macedonians world wide.

20 milion Greeks who vote for you not cuz they feel you deserve it but cuz they are against us.

So it is not objective. Just like the eurosong you mentioned :) But ye we will see in december until than you can dream. Our goverment will pay what ever it takes. Your ugly games will not help in fact this will reduce your chance of making it.

Miškinis
11-08-2011, 07:20 PM
It is a tie on the voting -). And that is a complimet to us only shows that most objective voters vote for Macedonia since we are only 2 milion Macedonians world wide.

20 milion Greeks who vote for you not cuz they feel you deserve it but cuz they are against us.

So it is not objective. Just like the eurosong you mentioned :) But ye we will see in december until than you can dream. Our goverment will pay what ever it takes. Your ugly games will not help in fact this will reduce your chance of making it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

Dreamcatcher
11-08-2011, 11:27 PM
Honestly i don't care about the location since it's not outside Europe. Let it be FYROM, maybe they won't be able to show smth more in basketball world in the future.

Vazzy
11-09-2011, 09:51 AM
"says Balchiunas.

.

balchiunas is the fucking idiot, i cant understand what he is doing at leading post of LKF. he dont respect our basketball players, talking bullshit about them, even about out legend S.Marciulionis.

Dreamcatcher
11-09-2011, 10:08 AM
balchiunas is the fucking idiot, i cant understand what he is doing at leading post of LKF. he dont respect our basketball players, talking bullshit about them, even about out legend S.Marciulionis.

Who are they except Marciulionis?

Robimkd
11-10-2011, 03:33 AM
What is the latest news on your bid ? any news ?.

Mojado
11-10-2011, 09:28 AM
What is the latest news on your bid ? any news ?.

My bid on hosting it didnt go through.:D

Robimkd
11-10-2011, 09:25 PM
The Pre Olympic-tournament inspection
http://www.basketball.org.mk/?ItemID=5577D863E533F7499C89614EAF2776AB

FIBA Committee in Macedonia

FIBA Sports Director, Lubomir Kotleba Director of FIBA ​​for the organization of events, Predrag Bogosavljev tonight will arrive in Skopje.


Lubomir Kotleba, FIBA ​​Sports Director

The first short stay, and Kotleba Bogosavljev will be familiar with the conditions offered by SC "Boris Trajkovski" and representatives of the ICF will elaborate accommodation and other facilities of Skopje. During the next day, the representatives of FIBA ​​is expected to hold a meeting with the Director of AMS, Lazar Popovski, and other senior government officials.

Otherwise, both guests and are well known to the sports community in the country. Lubomir Kotleba in Macedonia comes after a break of 11 years, when he was a representative of the FIBA ​​European Championships for U-20 youth in Ohrid in 2000. Predrag Bogosavljev, as a basketball player spent a very successful season for performing QC worker JUBA league 1991/1992, when the Workers played in the semifinals of the playoffs from this competition.


Predrag Bogosavljev, director of FIBA ​​for the organization of events.


FIBA will test the pulse of Macedonia
http://www.ekipa.mk/News.aspx?newsId=2479

Stevan Canevski Basketball
10.11.2011 20:34

FIBA Sports Director, Lubomir Kotleba and director for the organization of events, Predrag Bogosavljev the evening in our country, and tomorrow will officially carry out a preliminary check of the technical conditions that must be met if Macedonia wants to be the organizer of the Pre tournament for the Olympics in London. As already announced, Macedonia is one of the four countries that compete for the organization of this competition, the first step should be done tomorrow, during the technical control that will perform well Bogosavljev Kotleba.



Representatives of the House of basketball world will see the conditions in the hall "Boris Trajkovski" and hotels that are planned to be placed teams, officials, and journalists will be the official reporters of the event.



"This is only a first step, FIBA ​​people want to personally ensure that we have perfect conditions to organize the spectacle. We can take to see the hall "Boris Trajkovski", where the event will be held "Golden Gong" but it will not pose any problem. They are interested and for the purpose of all podtribinski premises, since this is a really great competition in which an organization can not come to any omission. They will be examined and hotels will be offered by us, but we would not reveal their names. I must say that this is only a first step, if we pass in the best order would then came a second control, as we would set things in place "- said General Secretary of the ICF, Dejan Lekic.



FIBA contracts for the organization of such major competitions are signed with governments or at least with the mayors of host cities, so it is clear why Kotleba Bogosavljev tomorrow and will make contact with some of the governance structures.



"It is clear that you will need to pay the cost for this tournament to be held in Skopje, we repeatedly recommended that it not be able to realize without the help from the state. The information I have is that the Prime Minister will not be able to meet with guests, but we hope to meet with a representative from the Government. You will also have a joint meeting with Laze Popovski, as head of the Agency for Youth and Sport, which also confirmed the seriousness of this project. However, as I said, this is only an initial meeting where we need only show that we are ready to host, all concrete work and talks likely to follow later, "- said Lekic.

Robimkd
11-11-2011, 02:03 PM
Tournament

All technical requirements are high
http://www.basketball.org.mk/?ItemID=5BD29682888B0B4497C6C21B258FB519

Phoebe sporting director, Lubomir Kotleba Director of FIBA ​​for the organization of events, Predrag Bogosavljev today accompanied the President and Secretary General of ICF were closely acquainted with the conditions offered by the organization of Macedonia Pre tournament.



Kotleba Bogosavljev late last night and arrived in Skopje and were accommodated in hotel "Aleksandar Palace" right next to the sport center and the first morning I visited SC "Boris Trajkovski". Dimevski and Lekic, along with representatives from our largest arena, introduced the charge to the terms of the FIBA ​​Hall. The Kotleba Bogosavljev and was presented pitch, sound systems, lighting, side room (small room, conference room, locker rooms, fitness center, VIP rooms, etc.) and complete organization and functionality of the entire complex.

"Technical conditions exist and they are high level," said Predrag Bogosavljev after visiting SC "Boris Trajkovski". "This arena meets all requirements for the organization of an event of this nature and it is not disputed. Familiar're all technical details, including the infrastructure of the city, accommodation etc. and Skopje, Macedonia not missing. There is a team of people who are able to organize such an event, so it remains to see how much support from the state and the institutions of work, which would have to respond to requests for Macedonia to get this tournament, "complete Bogosavljev.



Immediately after inspection of the SC "Boris Trajkovski" FIBA ​​delegation left the Agency for Youth and Sport, where had a meeting with the Director Lazar Popovski. Kotleba Bogosavljev afternoon and leave Macedonia and continue inspections in other countries that have shown interest in the organization of this tournament. In the coming period will be further discussed in terms of all countries, followed by 10 and December 11, meeting of the Board of FIBA, will be given a final answer on the host Pre basketball tournament. The selected host would start with the organization of the event immediately after the election

rikhardur
11-18-2011, 03:14 AM
Angola is out of the race to organise the tournament. They're planning to host a world event (juniors) in the future.

Supply&Demand
11-30-2011, 07:39 PM
So it's gonna be between Macedonia and Lithuania (unless Venezuela pulls off a big upset). I can't wait for when it's decided; I'll be very disappointed if Lithuania is given two major tournaments in the same year.

Gytaz
12-03-2011, 10:06 AM
So it's gonna be between Macedonia and Lithuania (unless Venezuela pulls off a big upset). I can't wait for when it's decided; I'll be very disappointed if Lithuania is given two major tournaments in the same year.

2011 and 2012 is not the same year. :p I wouldn't be disappointed if FYROM gets it because it would be even sweeter to beat them in Skopje, but let's face it - Lithuania is better prepared to host such event. Whatever FIBA decides is fine by me (except Venezuela of course, wouldn't want the tournament to be held in another continent).

Supply&Demand
12-05-2011, 04:50 PM
Haha yes, sorry, I messed that up. But the sentiment is still the same. You've just hosted something.. This is also for your sake too, we don't want to have to beat you twice on your court.. :D

Lithuania is better prepared, but other factors are important too. For example, we had the World Cup in South Africa even though England (or some other Western country) is obviously a much better candidate from the technical perspective. It's nice to spread tournaments around a bit, and you can rest assured that we'll take this seriously (it'll probably be the biggest thing in our sports history for some time).

Anyway, since crunch-time is getting close, have there been any rumors about who will win?

sagenas
12-05-2011, 05:28 PM
If you didn't notice so far, FIBA loves money so give money and say rules. Financially Lithuania is good option for FIBA Europe because we gather many people to Lithuanian games even in youth competitions so as long Lithuania can keep it that up, we'll get one or another event.

Mindozas
12-05-2011, 06:07 PM
Haha yes, sorry, I messed that up. But the sentiment is still the same. You've just hosted something.. This is also for your sake too, we don't want to have to beat you twice on your court.. :D

Lithuania is better prepared, but other factors are important too. For example, we had the World Cup in South Africa even though England (or some other Western country) is obviously a much better candidate from the technical perspective. It's nice to spread tournaments around a bit, and you can rest assured that we'll take this seriously (it'll probably be the biggest thing in our sports history for some time).

Anyway, since crunch-time is getting close, have there been any rumors about who will win?

First of all, we had World Cup in South Africa, because FIFA changes the continents for every tournament and in 2006 it was in Germany. Moreover it was clear for a long time that in 2010 WC will be held in Africa, so only African countries made a bids (Tunisia, Egypt and smth else, don't remember). There was no England as candidate. However FIFA is corrupted and gave the 2018 and 2022 WCs for those who paid more... But that's not the case here and I won't continue. The thing is that you can't make an example of what FIFA did with South Africa - it's irrelevant.
FIBA also loves money, that's the reason why you must pay them to organise this event. Olympic qualifier tournament isn't any kind of big tournament - for you, for us, who participates in it - it is and it means a lot, but not for FIBA, not for IOC - for them Olympics is only big event that year, so I doubt that it'll be important that Lithuania held Eurobasket a year before. So forget it.
What we know now? Financialy your federation is fully sponsored by government - that's a big plus, cause you can pay more. Another thing - FIBA will probably calculate how many spectators all games can bring together, what will be the incomes and etc. That's a plus probably to Lithuania. We have 15k arena, which probably would be atleast half of 2/3 full for every game except Lithuanian of course. But let's not forget Venesuela. They also has smth in their favor. Last pre-olympic qualifier was in Europe (Greece), so now FIBA can decide to give it to other continent. They has arenas, they has interest, so why not.
As for myself, I have no idea who will win and where it'll be held, too many question, too little answers. But as I said lot of times - I want it in Europe. I don't give a f*ck if it's Macedonia or Lithuania, doesn't matter. I just don't want our players to go throught time-difference/acclimatization before all this

Straight forward
12-05-2011, 06:17 PM
I just realised another positive thing for Lith NT. This tournament is about first games and we usually get these even if in very complicated way.

I'm pretty sure it's going to be Macedonia. With their success and new euphoria of the country, it would be a logical consequence. FIBA surely will have that in mind. The only thing in favour for Lithuania - guarantees of solid organisation (experience).

Gytaz
12-06-2011, 05:26 PM
Anyway, since crunch-time is getting close, have there been any rumors about who will win?

Secretary-General of our basketball federation says that "all Europe supports Lithuania". IMO, that might be an exaggeration. :) He also says that the Chinese and some other Asian countries should vote for us. They also spoke with the Americans who seem to be okay with Lithuania hosting this too.

There are rumors in Lithuania that FYR of Macedonia might have paid FIBA 2 million € more than Lithuania and if that turns out to be true, their chances of getting the right to host the tournament are higher.

Vlatko.klp
12-07-2011, 09:48 AM
Come on Lithuanians you already hosted Euro basketball this year, give something for us as well :))..I would really like to see LT fans in Macedonia

Migelitas
12-09-2011, 10:26 AM
Lithuania and Venezuela are the finalists bidding for the right to hold the men’s event (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/p/newsid/50129/arti.html)

Pero Antic
12-09-2011, 12:35 PM
It will be Lithuania again hosting a tournament they have a far bigger lobby than Venezuela and of course Macedonia obviously!!!
The Macedonian Government did everything to get this tourney for us but the decision was made and there is no way back. Now it will be very hard to qualify for the Olympics. I can bet that we will play Lithuania again in the semis or the third place match witch also goes to London and then the referees will tear us apart as they tried in Eurobasket.

PS: i don't cheer for any of those countries to get it because for me its just bad option 1 versus bad option 2 but anyway we will try to qualify.

kalashnikov
12-09-2011, 01:59 PM
That's quite a surprise for me. Considering the huge financial support the FYROM candidacy got from its government, I'd assume that they'd eventually surpass Lithuania.

I could only suppose that the excellent Eurobasket '11 organisation though had its own importance for the people who make the decisions.

Good luck to both finalists. Amongst the two, I really do't have a favorite (ok, Lith is closer ;) )

Mindozas
12-09-2011, 02:20 PM
Indeed it's a bit of surprise. First of all, I didn't know that there'll be such system - to make a final between two candidates. Anyways - it's a bit dissapointing decision to me - now it's Lithuania or worst case scenario - Venezuela (even Angola would be better due little time difference). Also not sure if I want a tournament here, but what's left?
Venezuela, just like Macedonia, also has big financial support from governement, heard that Hugo Chavez already paid huge amount of money to FIBA. + along with that Venezuela might expect tournament cause last one was in Europe. F*ck it's getting complicated. Hope FIBA just wanted to please FIBA Americas and that's why selected countries from different continents for the final. If not - we might be screwed and worst case scenario will happen with all the consequenses - acclimatisation, complicated preparations, some precious time wasted cause of that and etc

Monolito
12-09-2011, 10:12 PM
Ridiculous choice but very expected, unfortunately.

There is a new born basketball interess in Macedonia and as far as I know a lot of kids started to play basketball after the world cup and this wos an excellent opportunity to let the new born basketball interess to grow even more. Technicaly t would have been the right choice to give Macedonia this event but obvious is that Fiba aint interested to spread the sport which is odd because that should be the main goal for any sport federation.

Personally I think that LTU should have avoided their bid to me there is no taste and it is against he general basketball interest.

Fact is that Macedonia won the Fiba facebook voting with big nummbers even with out people from LTU and GR supporting them so the huge majority of basketball fans in europe wanted to see the Macedonians get this.

Our bid wos excellent and our goverment promised to pay 3.3 milion euros and another 1.5 milion euros bonus to Fiba. That should be an huge bonus when goverment support the bid eve with some extra money.

What is obvious is that the LTU, GR and RUS basketball lobby is very strong in europ lets not hide that. LTU apparent reason supportent them self, GR made lobby against Macedonia by political reasons and Russia lobby against Macedonia by pure sporting reasons as they know that chances against Macedonia are bigger on neutral venue.

Of course Macedonian basketball federation and Macedonina goverment but also basketball fans are extremely disappointed.

The basketball federtation and the goverment told that they got possitive vibs fiba until yesterday so they feel like someone stub them with a knife in the back.

Whats is even more amazing is the fibe didint even care to give them an official explenation today which is distasteful, arrogant and unculturally. Maybe they didint want to look them in the face, feltd shamefull.

Macedonia is a small nation that have no capacity to fight for olympics like LTU ever 4th year. This a wired choice.


FIBA without explanation to the Macedonina basketball federation
http://www.ekipa.mk/News.aspx?newsId=3455

FIBA officials gave no explanation about the reasons why Macedonia is not found among the finalists in the race for the organization of Pre tournament, which will be held next summer. The office of ICF not get any correspondence from the world of basketball house, which today announced the decision on the organization of this sporting spectacle in the competition to stay Venezuela and Lithuania.

FIBA Central Committee of the weekend will have the second meeting in Madrid that will decide where to hold qualifying tournament with out Macedonia although there has been quite positive signals that Macedonia can be the organizer of this great and above all meaningful competition.

"We did everything that was in our power, but obviously that was not enough. We expected all four countries to be part of voting, but it is obvious that at the last moment decided to be selected finalists, and to be Lithuania and Venezuela. FIBA gave no explanation why they chose these two countries and why Macedonia will be part of voting, but this organization has the discretion not to explain these decisions. We sincerely hope that we will organize such an incredible sporting spectacle, but it is now clear that we will be guests of the tournament "- said Dejan Lekic, the general secretary of the Macedonian house of basketball.

The FIBA ​​meeting to be held this weekend in Madrid will be taken and the decision whether or Lithuania, Venezuela will host the Pre tournament. This tournament will bring together 12 teams, three of which will provide prvoplasirani selling Olympics in London.

kalashnikov
12-09-2011, 10:36 PM
Robin, mate, You've already been banned once. Quit with the flame posts.

Also, quit with the Greek flag anyway.

Jon_Koncak
12-09-2011, 10:47 PM
It's pretty ridiculous that Lithuania will host a second big event in a row considering there was interest from other countries as well.They're turnin into new China.Besides,what are all those strict criteria that only Lithuania can fulfill anyway?We're talkin about an 8 team tournament,not the freakin olympics.I'm sure any other country that made a bid could host it but i guess it all comes down to $$$ given under the table.

Monolito
12-09-2011, 10:49 PM
Have no clue what you talk about.
Good evening btw.


Btw I guess Fiba is worse than Fifa. Corrupt basterds.


Bye basketball europ, thank you fiba.

kalashnikov
12-09-2011, 10:58 PM
no offense...Robin was an idiot who spammed the forum and threatened people. Poor fella...got banned...

Since you're "new", it's better to let you know...;)

Monolito
12-09-2011, 11:02 PM
It's pretty ridiculous that Lithuania will host a second big event in a row considering there was interest from other countries as well.They're turnin into new China.Besides,what are all those strict criteria that only Lithuania can fulfill anyway?We're talkin about an 8 team tournament,not the freakin olympics.I'm sure any other country that made a bid could host it but i guess it all comes down to $$$ given under the table.

No real reason not to give Macedonia this event. They have an arena with capacity 8.000 enough for an event like this one, 5 star hotel jos a few metre from the arena, good city infrastructure and airport with just 32 KM distance from arena and hotel.

But also they had and goverment supporting this event with 3.3 milion eurs and another 1.5 milion in bonus.

Today Fiba avioded to give Macedonian basketball federation an explanation because there is no real reason and explanation not to give them this event.

On the other hand a lot of good reasons existed to give Macedonia this event, biggest is to spread the sport.

Mindozas
12-10-2011, 09:20 AM
It's pretty ridiculous that Lithuania will host a second big event in a row considering there was interest from other countries as well.They're turnin into new China.Besides,what are all those strict criteria that only Lithuania can fulfill anyway?We're talkin about an 8 team tournament,not the freakin olympics.I'm sure any other country that made a bid could host it but i guess it all comes down to $$$ given under the table.

If it was like that, the final should have been Macedonia vs Venezuela. It was wide known that they'll give more... Or maybe FIBA already chose Venezuela, but decided to play a fool and show that it's not only about money, so selected Lithuania for the final...
Btw, firstly you say it's a "big event", then "it's only an 8 team tournament, not freakin olympics"... :rolleyes: Yes, it's freakin' qualifiers (with 12 teams btw), a big event only for the teams which takes participation in it, not for FIBA or for IOC, cause it's not Eurobasket, not WC and not Olympics, just freakin' qualifiers, so last Eurobasket, last FIBA Americas tournament, last Asian championship has nothing to do with it


Have no clue what you talk about.
Good evening btw.


Btw I guess Fiba is worse than Fifa. Corrupt basterds.


Bye basketball europ, thank you fiba.

Yeah, you really don't know, lol.... just you made some stupid mistakes, f.e. in your previous post you wrote


Our bid wos excellent and our goverment promised to pay 3.3 milion euros and another 1.5 milion euros bonus to Fiba. That should be an huge bonus when goverment support the bid eve with some extra money.

Did Greece made a bid? :D Next time try harded, Robi. Either way these post under your "beloved" Greece flag looks kinda pathetic and childish, but whatever. It's your choice...

Straight forward
12-10-2011, 12:44 PM
Rumours say FIBA not even considering Lithuania seriously. They want to improve or to contain their influence to Asia and Latin America and so on. Prediction is clear Venezuela is taking this.

madmax
12-10-2011, 01:04 PM
it's obvious that Venezuela is gonna host this event, since there is no way for Lithuania to host a big event two years in a row anyway...therefore the trolling wars by the likes of Jan Koncak are even more amusing and pathetic LMAO

Gytaz
12-10-2011, 02:57 PM
So does Macedonia get the 1,5 million that was paid to FIBA in addition to 3 million € refundable sum? Because if those 1,5 million aren't refundable then they got screwed. I guess Venezuela paid even more. If they get it instead of Lithuania (which they probably will, as unlikely as it seemed just a few days ago), then it's clear: money is the most important factor for FIBA.

Gytaz
12-10-2011, 05:11 PM
What's taking them so long???

Mindozas
12-10-2011, 05:30 PM
So it's Venezuela which will held qualifiers

Straight forward
12-10-2011, 05:54 PM
Good. It's better to play away from (...) crowd anyway. And Žalgiris arena is so far the last place I would like to see NT playing. Maybe it will even be a good reason to give a rest for old horses.

Mindozas
12-10-2011, 06:03 PM
Good. It's better to play away from (...) crowd anyway. And Žalgiris arena is so far the last place I would like to see NT playing. Maybe it will even be a good reason to give a rest for old horses.

It's good to play away from home crowd, but not that faaar away. Venezuela's win is horrible outcome for us, of course, so far only theoretically. Acclimatization, complicated preparations, less time for that... already obvious problems. Moreover now Latin countries will have much more support, which means a lot to them and they aren't sh*tting their pants like our players are at times while playin' in-front of home crowd. If there would be 3-4 bigger candidates with Europe hosting, now it's up to some 7-8... It's good for neutral viewer, but not for us obviously. There'll be lot of work to do to make a proper preparations for that tournament, lot of...

Basket_
12-10-2011, 06:17 PM
I prefered Macedonia over Venezuela too. But it's not a surprise, that qualification tournamnt and Olympics will be in different continents. Remember last time, qualification tournament in Athens, while Olympics in Beijing..

soulis79
12-10-2011, 06:26 PM
It’s a tough decision for European teams. They have to travel to another continent, to a country that they do not know at all; they will face probably winter conditions.
It would be an interesting tournament. The tournament will be much more competitive than 4 years ago. I will make a guess that European teams will have absentees.

Monolito
12-11-2011, 12:20 AM
So does Macedonia get the 1,5 million that was paid to FIBA in addition to 3 million € refundable sum? Because if those 1,5 million aren't refundable then they got screwed. I guess Venezuela paid even more. If they get it instead of Lithuania (which they probably will, as unlikely as it seemed just a few days ago), then it's clear: money is the most important factor for FIBA.

I have no idea to tell the truth. All I know is that Fiba would have 1.5 extra from the standard 3.3 ao all in all 4.8 milion euros.

Of course, I have no evidence but they might got screwed since they didint get the chance to enter the final. Maybe they paid money to some of the delegates that wos supposed to vote on us today.

All of the sudden they had no chance to vote on us.

Maybe Fiba received more money from the Latin American and all of the sudden the rules changed on friday Fiba did not get the delegates chance to vote on Macedonia.

This this is very nasty by Fiba.

I am still deeply disappointed and shocked just as many other basketball fans in Macedonia. I will not hide that we wanted this torney badly and it feels that we deserved it. According to the fiba facebook voting most of the fans in europe wanted to see Macedonia host it. Maybe they felt that this is a opportunity we will not have every 4th year but also importent to spread the sport in europ too.

A lot of money has been investing in our club basketball and youth basketball over the last few months as exampel MZT Skopje will enter NLB league next season but also Feni Industries have been investing money. It would have been a perfect timeing to let us host this event when the interest is huge.

Venezuela not even close to have te same basketball interess as Macedonia have right now.

Maybe I am to much one sided but I really think that we deserved to host it. I had trouble sleeping last night very disappointed.

Would have been one thing if we didint have the money to host it but since we have it feels terrible.

Petran
12-11-2011, 12:36 AM
Absence from a preolympic tourney means you don't get to play at the Olympics too. Anyway, let's see what happens. For Greece, the issue is that anyways the Italian League (Fotsis, Bourou, Zisis) finishes very late, so these guys will probably have to take it non-stop. They will do it for sure, but they will be tired nevertheless. Other leagues have a late finish as well. Greek league stops early however so that will put more burden to the PAO-OSFP players. Let's see how they will react. And regarding our absences, I believe that Sofo will return and Vspan as well. Doubt about the status of Perperoglou. So this leave us again with the question; Does DD has the heart to offer for a last time;

Anyways, let's face it. The team that will qualify from this tourney will have a really difficult time. They will have after the preolympic one or two weeks at most for rest and then they will have to re-form for the Olympics. So they need all the players they have available.

Let's pray for the positive scenario - all the guys will be there (DD included), we will qualify and be a medal contender.

Monolito
12-11-2011, 12:44 AM
And BTW Macedonian basketball federation aint happy about Venezuela getting this since we voted on LTU today. So two punches in two days for us.

According to our coach Marin Dokuzovski this is problematic. He is not sure how good our preperations will be ??? for a team like Macedonia with out many stars our team play is very importet and we will need some time until our strong defence click again, we need more time.
Our federation will try as much as it is possible to to arrange as good preperations as possible. This will be very difficult.

But also Mari mentions that all teams from europe will have the same problem but the deferance is they have more individual talent and we while our strength is the team game and we need more time. We will not have 6 weeks preperatins this time.

thegreekmeister
12-11-2011, 01:11 AM
What is obvious is that the LTU, GR and RUS basketball lobby is very strong in europ lets not hide that. LTU apparent reason supportent them self, GR made lobby against Macedonia by political reasons and Russia lobby against Macedonia by pure sporting reasons as they know that chances against Macedonia are bigger on neutral venue.


Are you saying that Russia thinks Macedonia is stronger opponent than Lithuania? If so then its clear that you are that delusional banned member other forum posters are talking about.

Straight forward
12-11-2011, 01:11 AM
Absence from a preolympic tourney means you don't get to play at the Olympics too. Anyway, let's see what happens. For Greece, the issue is that anyways the Italian League (Fotsis, Bourou, Zisis) finishes very late, so these guys will probably have to take it non-stop. They will do it for sure, but they will be tired nevertheless. Other leagues have a late finish as well. Greek league stops early however so that will put more burden to the PAO-OSFP players. Let's see how they will react. And regarding our absences, I believe that Sofo will return and Vspan as well. Doubt about the status of Perperoglou. So this leave us again with the question; Does DD has the heart to offer for a last time;

Anyways, let's face it. The team that will qualify from this tourney will have a really difficult time. They will have after the preolympic one or two weeks at most for rest and then they will have to re-form for the Olympics. So they need all the players they have available.

Let's pray for the positive scenario - all the guys will be there (DD included), we will qualify and be a medal contender.

That's some issue, Petran. The most of quality Greece's player aren't youngsters any more. On other hand, besides the disadvantage of possible tiredness, it's obviously advantage of spending more time as a team and having official games in pre-Olympic period.

I think that's the argument for going with a younger team. With players that don't exactly need any rest. And I see positive signs for Lithuania at that point. Kleiza won't be tired as he will face only a part of NBA season. The same with Jonas Mačiulis. Pocius and Kalnietis are getting limited playing time. Valančiūnas and Motiejūnas are young enough to deal with any load. Valančiūnas proved that perfectly last summer. Biggest concern is probably the short term of preparing for this tournament in Venezuela.

Call me conservative, but I still see Russia, Lithuania, Greece as clear favourites. What's the competition system of this tournament?

Monolito
12-11-2011, 03:22 AM
Are you saying that Russia thinks Macedonia is stronger opponent than Lithuania? If so then its clear that you are that delusional banned member other forum posters are talking about.


Are you saying that Russia thinks Macedonia is stronger opponent than Lithuania? If so then its clear that you are that delusional banned member other forum posters are talking about.

Loool. Nooo...

I think that Russia think that is easeyer to beat Macedonia on neutral venue than Lithuania. If Macedonia hosted it they will have to play two very difficult matches instead of one.

So I am sure Russia supportet LTU but thats OK, I would have voted on LTU too if i wos MR Blatt, that is tactically the best options and as long it is about sport than faine.

But yes i Think Russia I mean David Platt has a lot of respect, we playd a thriller in Poland 3 years ago and two more thrillers in Lithuania. I mean we could have easily won both matches, it wos pure luck.

Test
12-11-2011, 10:03 AM
If FIBA do not even consider other criteria, then next time they might not even bother to make a contest. They can just point where they want to do it.
I mean this is like commercial tender in Lithuania where some Government institution already knows who they will hire.

Petran
12-11-2011, 11:53 AM
That's some issue, Petran. The most of quality Greece's player aren't youngsters any more. On other hand, besides the disadvantage of possible tiredness, it's obviously advantage of spending more time as a team and having official games in pre-Olympic period.

I think that's the argument for going with a younger team. With players that don't exactly need any rest. And I see positive signs for Lithuania at that point. Kleiza won't be tired as he will face only a part of NBA season. The same with Jonas Mačiulis. Pocius and Kalnietis are getting limited playing time. Valančiūnas and Motiejūnas are young enough to deal with any load. Valančiūnas proved that perfectly last summer. Biggest concern is probably the short term of preparing for this tournament in Venezuela.

Call me conservative, but I still see Russia, Lithuania, Greece as clear favourites. What's the competition system of this tournament?

Although you have a point in relation to the actual games that these teams will have before the Olympics, the fact that the preolympic tourney will be held in another continent and that there are about 3 weeks in between, you see that a player will have a hard summer...

Nevertheless, even Lith doesn't have the full showcase of younger players to support such a schema... You may have the ones mentionned above but you will probably need the twins, some veterans in the guards etc. So it will be a factor. For Greece is a little bit different. Unfortunatelly, we will still relly on the older generation - meaning that from the younger ones only Calathes and Papanikolaou are 100% ready for this kind of competition and they are not stars by any means. On the other hand, our current best roster still has only two player above 30 - DD and Fotsis. Span will be 30 this summer, Zisis 29 all the others are 28 and less so we are not an old team. Actually, I might say that we are in the best stage. The problem is that the Spanish and Italian Leagues finish way too late. That means that while Span, DD (if he participates), Calathes, Kaimakoglou, Papanikolaou, Vougioukas etc. will have some time to rest the other guys will have to go non-stop. Sofo will have some rest as well judging from the Adriatic and Israeli league schedule. So it is imperative for us to have DD..

vaslover
12-11-2011, 01:18 PM
Imho, on the first-ever stage, Russia had huge chances to host the 2012 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. Because commercial factor nobody abolished yet. Especially Fiba. :) I suppose we have quite strong basketball lobby in Fiba. (but who knows, perhaps it,s just my imagination..) But due to president of RFB Alexander Krasnenkov and his stubborn, maniac idea and promise to support Lithuania, eventually all europeans teams and Russia as well will go on other continent. Too long flights, acclimatization, less time for preparations, crazy Latin American home crowd, and of course, GREAT and TERRIBLE Hugo Chavez waiting for all european NT's in guests!:):cool: Well done, Krasnenkov. Thanks a lot, for those amazing adventures which wait all of us!

Mindozas
12-11-2011, 01:37 PM
Imho, on the first-ever stage, Russia had huge chances to host the 2012 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. Because commercial factor nobody abolished yet. Especially Fiba. :) I suppose we have quite strong basketball lobby in Fiba. (but who knows, perhaps it,s just my imagination..) But due to president of RFB Alexander Krasnenkov and his stubborn, maniac idea and promise to support Lithuania, eventually all europeans teams and Russia as well will go on other continent. Too long flights, acclimatization, less time for preparations, crazy Latin American home crowd, and of course, GREAT and TERRIBLE Hugo Chavez waiting for all european NT's in guests!:):cool: Well done, Krasnenkov. Thanks a lot, for those amazing adventures which wait all of us!

It's not your federation to blame here. You, with all your lobby, supported LT, also Macedonia and Greece did the same and we formed an European candidacy, but that was still not enough... I guess after all it seems to be true that politics won it for Venesuela. Not that they are strong as a FIBA country, but just FIBA has some internal issues with Europe and Asia...

Straight forward
12-11-2011, 01:55 PM
Nevertheless, even Lith doesn't have the full showcase of younger players to support such a schema... You may have the ones mentionned above but you will probably need the twins, some veterans in the guards etc. So it will be a factor.

Disagree. It should be an improved version of 2010 bronze NT. I don't see what veterans could help Lithuania. It's obvious that the world championship's team was superior in the clutch time than it was Eurobasket's team with veterans. And if Kemzūra won't screw it two years in a row he has a player than can be a key at offensive end along with Kleiza - that is Motiejūnas.

So Greece's and Lithuania's conditions are radically different. Greece would obviously be way stronger with the veterans.

saalsapr
12-11-2011, 01:57 PM
Thank you Hugo Chavez!:)

Now lets get things rolling for the preolympic!

Victorious
12-11-2011, 02:36 PM
Although you have a point in relation to the actual games that these teams will have before the Olympics, the fact that the preolympic tourney will be held in another continent and that there are about 3 weeks in between, you see that a player will have a hard summer...

Nevertheless, even Lith doesn't have the full showcase of younger players to support such a schema... You may have the ones mentionned above but you will probably need the twins, some veterans in the guards etc. So it will be a factor. For Greece is a little bit different. Unfortunatelly, we will still relly on the older generation - meaning that from the younger ones only Calathes and Papanikolaou are 100% ready for this kind of competition and they are not stars by any means. On the other hand, our current best roster still has only two player above 30 - DD and Fotsis. Span will be 30 this summer, Zisis 29 all the others are 28 and less so we are not an old team. Actually, I might say that we are in the best stage. The problem is that the Spanish and Italian Leagues finish way too late. That means that while Span, DD (if he participates), Calathes, Kaimakoglou, Papanikolaou, Vougioukas etc. will have some time to rest the other guys will have to go non-stop. Sofo will have some rest as well judging from the Adriatic and Israeli league schedule. So it is imperative for us to have DD..

Who needs Vougioukas when you have Sofo, Bouroussis and Koufos on the team? Let's face it, if Greece brings their best, which I think they will, they will be a medal candidate in the Olympics.

That said, I think Greece, Lithuania and Russia are favorites to win the pre-olympic tournament. Maybe Puerto Rico can pull a surprise, but I doubt this will happen if these three teams will bring their best. FYR of Macedonia will find out that baskets are not easy to make and chemistry is hard to find when you have high expectations and other teams are not underestimating you. Venezuela does not have enough talent to beat either Greece, Lith or Rus.

Remember that in the last pre-olympic tournament, three european teams got the ticket to the olympics. So it's no surpise FIBA favored Venezuela.

Pero Antic
12-11-2011, 06:14 PM
Does anyone know when the group draw will be? The European teams are seeded so they can play only in the semifinals if things don't go totally wrong LTU, GRE, RUS ans MKD should top their groups. If Greece plays with their FULL Squad they are sure at the Olympics but who knows if they do same goes for Russia i think the Lithuanians have some very good young players like Jonas Valančiūnas etc. They always played in the olympics and always reached the semifinals what is really impressive. Macedonia on other hand was never in the Olympics not even in the qualifiers so or chances are literally low but its not the first time.