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DEEP ISTANBUL
02-15-2011, 11:42 AM
Hi friends who knows about their countrys' friendly games for this summer.
last friday france national team annaunce their preperation period and friendly games.

i know about EX-YU tournament in ljubjana
all ex yugoslavia country will play each other.

annually playing tournament are
EFES PILSEN WORLD CUP IN TURKEY
ACROPOLIS TOURNAMET IN ATHENS
SUPER CUP IN GERMANY

i am waiting your answers.

DEEP ISTANBUL
02-15-2011, 11:45 AM
PLAYER WILL BE TOGETGER ON 12 JULY IN PARIS FOR MEDICAL RESEARCH THEN TEAM WILL GO TO PAU 19 JULY.
GAMES
26.07.2011 pau - france-canada
27-07 toulouse - france-canada
09-08 almeria - spain-france
17/21-08-2011 test event london, o2 arena
teams are
france, australia, china
croatia, great britian, serbia

26-08 in france - france-bosnia
27-08 in france - france-belgium

DEEP ISTANBUL
02-15-2011, 11:48 AM
Group a
slovenia
montenegro
croatia

group b
bosnia
serbia
macedonia

07-09 august group games
10 august final games
final, 3rd place and 5 th place mathces
all games will play in stozice arena, ljubjana

inaminute23
02-15-2011, 12:16 PM
GB V...........

SERBIA
FRANCE
CHINA
AUSTRALIA
CROATIA

@ The Olympic basketball arena 16th - 21st August

NorCal
02-15-2011, 09:04 PM
GB V...........

SERBIA
FRANCE
CHINA
AUSTRALIA
CROATIA

@ The Olympic basketball arena 16th - 21st August

Is G.B. playing all 5 of those teams in 6 days?

DEEP ISTANBUL
02-15-2011, 09:43 PM
Is G.B. playing all 5 of those teams in 6 days?
exact program not given yet.
i think 3 team one group two group will be.
than semi final and finals like that.

DEEP ISTANBUL
03-22-2011, 07:02 PM
Bormio Tournament
28.07.2011-29.07.2011 BORMIO HUNGARY-BULGARIA-CANADA
2. Love Cyprus Tournament
05-7.08.2011 Nicosia ITALY -GREECE (TWO MORE TEAM)
Rimini Torneo Internazionale
13-15.08.2011 Rimini ITALY (AND THREE COUTRY)
25.Acropolis Tournament
23-25.08.2011 ATHENS (GREECE-ITALY AND TWO MORE COUNTRY

DEEP ISTANBUL
03-22-2011, 07:03 PM
23. Beko super cup
bamberg jako arena
19-21 august 2011
participate countries
germany - greece - turkey - belgium

DEEP ISTANBUL
03-22-2011, 07:06 PM
NEW OLYMPIC BASKETBALL ARENA
17-21 august 2011
two group will be
participate countries
serbia
australia
china
great britain
croatia
france
two group one team play two games than semi finals and finals game will play.

Tesla
03-23-2011, 01:36 PM
i know about EX-YU tournament in ljubjana
all ex yugoslavia country will play each other.


A few years ago such a tournament also would have been doubtful on political grounds. It's amazing for the region that every single ex-Yugoslavia nation (as well as Bulgaria) has qualified.

DEEP ISTANBUL
04-04-2011, 06:42 PM
latvia friendlies
CITY
12-08 RIGA LATVIA-RUSSIA
12-08 RUSSIA RUSSIA-LATVIA
19-08 PANEVEZYS LITHUANIA-LATVIA
LAST MATCH DATE NOT YET CONFIRM
GREAT BRITAIN-LATVIA
AND LATVIA ALSO PLAY 4 MORE FRIENDLY DURING EUROBASKET 2011 PREPERATION PERIOD.

SaliH
04-04-2011, 09:27 PM
Could someone tell me against which teams will Turkey play before Eurobasket?

DEEP ISTANBUL
04-05-2011, 05:30 PM
could someone tell me against which teams will turkey play before eurobasket?

super cup
bamberg
19-20-21 august 2011
turkey
greece
germany
belgium
will participate

efes cup 12-13-14 august 2011, i think not yet confirm

JureEe
04-07-2011, 06:25 AM
23.7. Kidricevo, Slovenia vs. Poland
24.7. Ptuj, Slovenia vs. Macedonia
3.8. Klaipeda, Latvia vs. Slovenia
4.8. Klaipeda, Lithuania vs. Slovenia
6.-9.8. Ljubljana, Ex-YU tournament
20.8. Somewhere in Spain, Spain vs. Slovenia
21.8. Somewhere in Spain, Spain vs. Slovenia

All together 9 matches.



ljubljana, Ex-YU tournament:

6.8.:
Macedonia : BiH (18.30)
Croatia : Montenegro (21.00)

7.8.:
Srbija : Macedonia (18.30)
Slovenija : Montenegro(21.00)

8.8.:
BiH : Srbija (18.30)
Slovenija :Croatia (21.00)

9.8.:
5th place (15.30)
3rd place (18.15)
final (21.00)

DEEP ISTANBUL
04-12-2011, 04:24 PM
First meeting in istanbul first week of july
than go to antalya camp 7 days
after go back to istanbul and go to bormio italy
bormio camp 16 days
turn back to istanbul 7 days camp
and go to izmir
efes pilsen world cup 10.
Izmir
12-14 august 2011
serbia-ukraine-germany-turkey
super cup 2011 bamberg
19-21 august 2011
germany-turkey-greece-belgium
2nd adidas istanbul cup
exact date not yet confirm
turkey-montenegro-bosnia-ukraine
29 august go to lithuania
totaly 9 friendly matches will be played
t

Basket_
04-21-2011, 08:59 AM
Training camps:

July 18 – 23 d.: Druskininkai
July 24 – August 6: Palanga
August 16 – 23: Kaunas
August 25 – 28: Vilnius

Preparation games:

August 4, Klaipėda: Lithuania – Slovenia
August 6, Klaipėda: Lithuania – Czech Republic
August 10, Moscow: Russia – Lithuania
August 14, Madrid: Spain – Lithuania
August 18, Kaunas: Lithuania – Spain
August 19, Panevėžys: Lithuania – Russia
August 20, Panevėžys: Lithuania – Latvia
August 24, Ljubljana: Slovenia – Lithuania
August 27, Vilnius: Lithuania – Georgia

http://www.basketnews.lt/news-38867-pasiruosimo-etape-stiprus-varzovai-papildyta.html

DEEP ISTANBUL
04-21-2011, 03:20 PM
where other coutries preperation period
for example
greece, ısrael, russia, italy, spain, Great Britain.
who knows about prep. please white there.
see you next time.

DEEP ISTANBUL
05-31-2011, 10:22 AM
Izmir halkapinar sport hall capasity 10.000
12-14 august 2011
turkey
germany
ukraine
serbia
will play each other
3 days tournament
ntvspor turkey will broadcoast each games.

shais32
06-09-2011, 06:55 AM
The games in Izmir will be between the 11th to 13th and 3 games will be played each day! this is the new update from Turkish basketball association

Dato
06-09-2011, 11:59 AM
Georgia

24.07-04.08 - training camp in Austria

30 - 31 July -2 prep. games with Austria

5-7 August -tournament in Tallin, Estonia
Participants: Georgia, Estonia, Sweden, NCAA team

8-11 August - training camp in Austria

12-14 August - tournament in Holland
participants: Holland, Georgia, Israel, NCAA team

15-20 August - Training Camp in Tbilisi

16 August - Georgia- Israel

22 August - Latvia - Georgia (Riga).
24 August Latvia - Georgia (Lithuania)
27 August Lithuania -Georgia (Lithuania)

gpsar69
06-14-2011, 08:37 AM
Here are till now all the major tournaments of preparation

JULY
28-31 (Bormio, Italy): Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria, Canada
AUGUST
2-4 (Klaipeda, Lithuania): Lithuania, Latvia, Slovenja
5-7 (Limasol, Cyprus): Italy, Greece, Bulgaria, ?
6-8 (Talin, Estonia): Estonia, Georgia, Sweden, NCAA team
6-9 (Ljubljana, Slovenja): Slovenja, Serbia, FYROM, Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro
11-13 (Smyrne, Turkey): Turkey, Germany, Serbia, Ukraine
11-13 (Skopje, FYROM): FYROM, Montenegro, Poland, Bulgaria
12-14 (Holland): Holland, Georgia, Israel, NCAA Team
13-15 (Rimini, Italy): Italy, ?, ?, ?
16-18 (Bamberg, Germany): Germany, Turkey, Greece, Belgium
17-21 (London, Great Britain): Great Britain, France, Australia, China, Croatia, Serbia
19-21 (Skopje, FYROM): FYROM, Bulgaria, ?, ?
23-25 (Athens, Greece): Greece, ?, ?, ?
24-25 (Istanbul, Turkey): Turkey, Bulgaria, Bosnia,Montenegro

JGX
06-16-2011, 12:21 AM
6-8 (Talin, Estonia): Estonia, Georgia, Sweden, NCAA team


"NCAA team" is "East Coast All-Stars"


12-14 (Holland): Holland, Georgia, Israel, NCAA Team

NCAA team is Villanova

ArnoldPettybone
06-16-2011, 02:47 AM
5-7 (Limasol, Cyprus): Italy, Greece, Bulgaria, ?
Probably Israel, but that was info published on March...
22-24 August, Nokia Arena (Tel Aviv):Israel, Russia and Poland.

mbenga
07-13-2011, 09:16 AM
09/08: Spain - France (Almería)
13/08: Spain - Lithuania (Madrid)
15/08: Spain - Bulgaria (Guadalajara)
18/08: Lithuania - Spain (Kaunas)
20/08: Spain - Slovenia (Málaga)
21/08: Spain - Slovenia (Granada)
25/08: Spain - Australia (Murcia)
26/08: Spain - Australia (Valencia)

Kwijibo
07-13-2011, 10:36 AM
I don't like to play games in Spain (yeah feb need to earn some money) because the refs are so pro-spain. Then in the european we will say that refs are against us :(

Billy Bounce
07-22-2011, 03:12 PM
European Basketball Tour - Cyprus 2011
Stadium: Tasos Papadopoulos - Eleftheria

05/08/11

ISRAEL Vs POLAND at 17:00
RUSSIA Vs BULGARIA at 19:15
GREECE Vs ITALY at 21:30

06/08/11

POLAND Vs BULGARIA at 15:00
GREECE Vs ISRAEL at 17:15
RUSSIA Vs ITALY at 19:30

07/08/11

ISRAEL Vs BULGARIA at 15:00
ITALY Vs POLAND at 19:30
GREECE Vs RUSSIA at 21:45


European Basketball Tour - Israel 2011
Stadium: NOKIA ARENA - Tel Aviv

22/08/11
POLAND Vs ISRAEL at 20:00

23/08/11
RUSSIA Vs POLAND at 20:00

24/8/11
ISRAEL Vs RUSSIA at 20:00

src: http://www.europeanbasketballtour.com/

Migelitas
07-23-2011, 08:06 PM
Slovenia - Poland 69:54 (18:21, 18:12, 14:11, 19:10)

SLO: G. Dragič 18, Z. Dragič 10+6rb, Nachbar 8, Slokar 8, Lakovič 7.
POL: Pamula 13, Lapeta 10, Szczotka 7, Waczyinski 7

pohani komarac
07-24-2011, 12:27 AM
croatia will play with bulgaria on tuesday 20-30 CET. Sportklub Croatia will broadcast game. Don't know for streams?

Migelitas
07-24-2011, 08:05 PM
Slovenia - FYR of Macedonia 83:71 (26:16, 14:23, 24:18, 19:14)

SLO: Lorbek 20, Lakovič 13, Smodiš 13, Jagodnik 9, Slokar 7+5rb, Ožbolt 7
MAC: Antić 24+7rb, Ilievski 13, Samardžinski 8+6rb, Čekovski 8.

s-e-e
07-24-2011, 08:11 PM
Here are till now all the major tournaments of preparation

JULY
28-31 (Bormio, Italy): Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria, Canada
AUGUST
2-4 (Klaipeda, Lithuania): Lithuania, Latvia, Slovenja
5-7 (Limasol, Cyprus): Italy, Greece, Bulgaria, ?
6-8 (Talin, Estonia): Estonia, Georgia, Sweden, NCAA team
6-9 (Ljubljana, Slovenja): Slovenja, Serbia, FYROM, Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro
11-13 (Smyrne, Turkey): Turkey, Germany, Serbia, Ukraine
11-13 (Skopje, FYROM): FYROM, Montenegro, Poland, Bulgaria
12-14 (Holland): Holland, Georgia, Israel, NCAA Team
13-15 (Rimini, Italy): Italy, ?, ?, ?
16-18 (Bamberg, Germany): Germany, Turkey, Greece, Belgium
17-21 (London, Great Britain): Great Britain, France, Australia, China, Croatia, Serbia
19-21 (Skopje, FYROM): FYROM, Bulgaria, ?, ?
23-25 (Athens, Greece): Greece, ?, ?, ?
24-25 (Istanbul, Turkey): Turkey, Bulgaria, Bosnia,Montenegro

That's supposed to be Izmir ;)

josemariaestu
07-24-2011, 10:00 PM
Does anyone how to download some friendlies matches??? Any links???

mbenga
07-25-2011, 07:12 PM
Italian schedule

29/07/2011 Italy - Fyrom
30/07/2011 Italy - Bulgary o Canada Bormio (So)
05/08/2011 Italy - Greece Limassol (CY)
06/08/2011 Italy - Russia Limassol (CY)
07/08/2011 Italy - Poland Limassol (CY)
12/08/2011 Italy - Bosnia Rimini
13/08/2011 Italy - Poland Rimini
14/08/2011 Italy - Greece Rimini
23/08/2011 Torneo Acropolis
24/08/2011 Torneo Acropolis
25/08/2011 Torneo Acropolis

Mindozas
07-26-2011, 07:04 AM
FYR of Macedonia - Poland 66:57

FYROM: Samardziski - 14, Antic - 11
Poland: Szcotka - 9, Gabinsky, Hrycaniuk both 8

pablonis
07-26-2011, 08:32 AM
09/08: Spain - France (Almería)
13/08: Spain - Lithuania (Madrid)
15/08: Spain - Bulgaria (Guadalajara)
18/08: Lithuania - Spain (Kaunas)
20/08: Spain - Slovenia (Málaga)
21/08: Spain - Slovenia (Granada)
25/08: Spain - Australia (Murcia)
26/08: Spain - Australia (Valencia)

That one should be really interesting as it will also be the official opening of Zalgiris arena. Over 15k Lith' fans will create a hell for the Spaniards.

elaj
07-27-2011, 12:08 PM
Great preparation tournament in Arena Stožice, Ljubljana is coming up. Called EX-YU 2011. :D

Schedule (times are CET):

Saturday, 6th August
18.00: FYROM : BiH
21.00: Croatia : Montenegro

Sunday, 7th August
18.00: Serbia : FYROM
21.00: Slovenia : Montenegro (broadcasted by TV Slovenija 2)

Monday, 8th August
18.00: BiH : Serbia
21.00: Slovenia : Croatia (broadcasted by TV Slovenija 2)

Tuesday, 9th August
15.00: Game for 5th place
18.00: Game for 3rd place (broadcasted by TV Slovenija 2)
21.00: Finals (broadcasted by TV Slovenija 2)

Some games might be also broadcasted at Eurosport 2. I'm not sure yet. Probably some Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian and Fyromanian TVs will also broadcast this tournament.

Should be really fun to watch. :cool:

Joško Poljak Fan
07-27-2011, 01:06 PM
If players weren't out of shape yet I'd be looking forward to this tournament almost as much as eurobasket :P
It should be terrific, attendance in Stožice might not be as good due to vacations though.

nikthegreek
07-29-2011, 07:05 PM
GREECE FRIENDLY MATCHES

Cyprus, 5-7 August

August 5
Israel-Poland
Russia-Bulgaria
Greece-Italy

August 6
Poland-Bulgaria
Greece-Israel
Russia-Italy

August 7
Israel-Bulgaria
Italy-Poland
Greece-Russia

Italy (Rimini), 12-14 August
August 12
Poland-Greece
Italy-Bosnia

August 13
Bosnia-Greece
Italy-Poland

August 14
Bosnia Poland
Italy-Greece

Germany (Bamberg), 19-21 August
August 19
Greece-Turkey
Germany-Belgium

August 20
Belgium-Greece
Germany-Turkey

August 21
Turkey-Belgium
Germany-Greece

Greece (Athens), 23-25 ​​August tournament "Acropolis-Eurobank»
August 23
Montenegro-Italy
Greece-Bulgaria

August 24
Montenegro-Bulgaria
Greece-Italy

August 25
Italy-Bulgaria
Greece and Montenegro

Kwijibo
07-30-2011, 12:03 PM
That one should be really interesting as it will also be the official opening of Zalgiris arena. Over 15k Lith' fans will create a hell for the Spaniards.

Stozice was opened for us, Zalguiris arena will be opened for us :cool: we're so important. The game in stozice was a try of robbery :D i hope this game won't be it

Frosties
08-02-2011, 02:06 PM
Stozice was opened for us, Zalguiris arena will be opened for us :cool: we're so important. The game in stozice was a try of robbery :D i hope this game won't be it

IMO the best two Basketball Associations in Europe.

Migelitas
08-03-2011, 07:22 PM
Klaipėda. Lithuania

Slovenia - Latvia 73:63

SLO: Ožbolt 16, Slokar 15, G. Dragič 11, Jagodnik 10
LAT: Jeromanovs 17

Xristos
08-03-2011, 07:23 PM
Klaipėda. Lithuania

Slovenia - Latvia 73:63

SLO: Ožbolt 16, Slokar 15, G. Dragič 11, Jagodnik 10
LAT: Jeromanovs 17


Did Lorbek or Smodis play?

Mindozas
08-03-2011, 07:29 PM
Did Lorbek or Smodis play?

Lorbek played, Smodis and Zupan didn't

Migelitas
08-03-2011, 07:30 PM
Did Lorbek or Smodis play?

It seems that Smodiš missed this game, while Lorbek was in starting five.

Xristos
08-03-2011, 07:43 PM
Ok thanks

Surprising that Slovenia only won by 10 but they were probably experimenting new things

Tomorrows game between Lithuania and Slovenia will be a good one. Hope Motiejunas and Valanciunas have a fair shot at making the team rather than Kemzura blindly taking lesser players due to overvaluing experience

Migelitas
08-03-2011, 07:47 PM
Ok thanks

Surprising that Slovenia only won by 10 but they were probably experimenting new things

It was 67:45 in the 35 minute.
http://www.kzs.si/novica-dogodek/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=2192&cHash=d8cca201c4ec8b529eadc75f7c0a6466

Joško Poljak Fan
08-03-2011, 07:50 PM
Ok thanks

Surprising that Slovenia only won by 10 but they were probably experimenting new things

Tomorrows game between Lithuania and Slovenia will be a good one. Hope Motiejunas and Valanciunas have a fair shot at making the team rather than Kemzura blindly taking lesser players due to overvaluing experience
Reportedly Slovenia is just out of the physical preparations... I am not that surprised with the result if that's true. Tommorow we won't have many chances vs. Lithuania accordingly.
But you know... losing few games can be beneficial on the long term :p

You've got a point on that experience part, although coaches too many times decide on worse yet more experienced players when the result is a must.

madmax
08-03-2011, 08:16 PM
Reportedly Slovenia is just out of the physical preparations... I am not that surprised with the result if that's true. Tommorow we won't have many chances vs. Lithuania accordingly.
But you know... losing few games can be beneficial on the long term :p

You've got a point on that experience part, although coaches too many times decide on worse yet more experienced players when the result is a must.

I think you guys have a good shot at winning tomorrow - it's gonna be a first match for our NT and most of the players will be rusty as hell, not to mention probably nervous in front of the sellout crowd. I just hope for an entertaining game and hopefully Valanciunas and Motiejunas will play a lot (c'mon Kemzura, we trust you:cool:)

Darknemo2000
08-04-2011, 12:45 AM
Reportedly Slovenia is just out of the physical preparations... I am not that surprised with the result if that's true. Tommorow we won't have many chances vs. Lithuania accordingly.
But you know... losing few games can be beneficial on the long term :p

You've got a point on that experience part, although coaches too many times decide on worse yet more experienced players when the result is a must.

Actually you will probably win that one. Our NT's first game so many players will be rusty and tired from physical training.

pivx
08-04-2011, 06:29 AM
I expect very bad game with lots of turnovers. We had a lots of mistakes last night, we should win that game +30.

But i would still bet on Lithuanian team today...

Migelitas
08-04-2011, 09:11 AM
Lithuania today vs Slovenia without Jasikevičius, Jankūnas, Valančiūnas, Gecevičius and Petravičius.

efap
08-04-2011, 09:28 AM
It's so sad that Valanciunas won't play... I will be in arena at this game, I wanted to see him playing.

Frosties
08-04-2011, 11:52 AM
Does not supprise you all the big difference in the training periods? For example Serbia has been around one month concentrated and training and Lithuania is playing its firts game tonight, Spain has been just one week training and its playing next week is first game....

What is it best for the team in your opinion???

In these 3 cases the basis of the team is well known so it is quite shocking.

mbenga
08-04-2011, 01:55 PM
Does not supprise you all the big difference in the training periods? For example Serbia has been around one month concentrated and training and Lithuania is playing its firts game tonight, Spain has been just one week training and its playing next week is first game....

What is it best for the team in your opinion???

In these 3 cases the basis of the team is well known so it is quite shocking.

I think more than 4-5 weeks of training camp/preparation might be counterproductive, it can alientae players.

Xristos
08-04-2011, 06:07 PM
Starting lineups:

LTU: Kalneitis, Kaukenas, Jasaitis, K. Lavrinovic, Javtokas
SLO: G. Dragic, Ozbolt, Z. Dragic, Smodis, Slokar

Lietuvis
08-04-2011, 06:10 PM
ok working outside Lietuva this week, so anyone got an online link for this game to watch live?

pablonis
08-04-2011, 06:11 PM
http://sport24.lt/embed/8287/2/lietuva-slovenija.html/popup

Lietuvis
08-04-2011, 06:17 PM
http://sport24.lt/embed/8287/2/lietuva-slovenija.html/popup

Thanks, just hope its not another site blocked here in Turkey ;)

Xristos
08-04-2011, 06:24 PM
Looks like Zupan was cut in favor of youngster Lapornik.


20-17 Lithuania at end of 1st

Lakovic 7
G. Dragic 6

Songaila looks in good shape

Lietuvis
08-04-2011, 06:28 PM
Thats it cant get the damn link working here, I am not taking on any job outside Lithuania for the next 8 weeks...:mad: Cant wait to get back on Saturday!

Xristos
08-04-2011, 06:31 PM
Darjus can't play defense at all. Lorbek drew 3 foul on him in 2 minutes

Pocius playing a little wild

Smodis with some nice footwork, looks like he's not finished after all :)

madmax
08-04-2011, 06:31 PM
D. Lavrinovic will be most probably cut - can't defend to save his life and is worthless in this young running team. Songaila looks in good shape surprisingly

Xristos
08-04-2011, 06:36 PM
Lukauskis looks 60 years old with his gray hair :D

Some nice aggressiveness from Songaila, already 8 points. I think he will compete with K. Lavrinovic for the starting spot

Kalneitis playing great so far

Lakovic destroying the defense

Miškinis
08-04-2011, 06:52 PM
Argg.. the last attack was a clear travel by Lavrinovič

Xristos
08-04-2011, 06:56 PM
Is Motiejunas just not playing or already cut?

Lithuania leads 38-35 at halftime

LTbotd
08-04-2011, 06:56 PM
Darjus, oh my, what a hole in our defence he is :rolleyes:

Miškinis
08-04-2011, 07:03 PM
Is Motiejunas just not playing or already cut?

Lithuania leads 38-35 at halftime

He was playing for ~3 min (till the end of the 2nd quarter). It looks like he is trying hard to be useful. Although he did not score, but I kind of liked his play.

madmax
08-04-2011, 07:04 PM
Is Motiejunas just not playing or already cut?

Lithuania leads 38-35 at halftime

he played a bit at the end of the 2nd quarter but failed to make any inroads into the game...looks like Kemzura is inclining to trust veterans today

Xristos
08-04-2011, 07:10 PM
He was playing for ~3 min (till the end of the 2nd quarter). It looks like he is trying hard to be useful. Although he did not score, but I kind of liked his play.


Oh ok, I got up for a bit at the last part of the 2nd quarter

My observations so far…

Kalneitis is playing with good aggression and choosing the right moment to shoot and pass

K-Lav and Javtokas are playing like usual self

Darjust was awful on defense

Songaila looks like the productive NBA player he used to be

Pocius looked out of control

Jasaitis is a total non factor when he isn't shooting well

G. Dragic is great player and his game style translates anywhere

Edo Muric looks like a nice contributor to this team with his defense and athletic skills

Lorbek is Lorbek…great player

Jagodnik scrambling all over just like he is known for. Very important for this team

Jakalaka is looking like he is in good form

Ozbolt can be a useful bench player

Xristos
08-04-2011, 07:33 PM
Delininkaitis, Lukauskis, Darjus, and Seibutis should not make the team

madmax
08-04-2011, 07:35 PM
Delininkaitis, Lukauskis, Darjus, and Seibutis should not make the team

pretty much...oh, and JakaLaka is clutch bastard:D

Xristos
08-04-2011, 07:45 PM
Motiejunas is doing nothing wrong. Making proper moves on defense, playing within the offensive tempo, and trying to grab all the loose balls, even battling Lorbek in the post to deny him inside position

madmax
08-04-2011, 07:48 PM
Motiejunas is doing nothing wrong. Making proper moves on defense, playing within the offensive tempo, and trying to grab all the loose balls, even battling Lorbek in the post to deny him inside position

exactly...he should definitely make the team. Javtokas and Ksistof on the other hand don't look too impressive to me. They'll make the team, but their level of play is questionable. And it looks like turnovers are still our guards best friend...:rolleyes:

Xristos
08-04-2011, 07:49 PM
Back to back 3s from Goran Dragic to tie the game

What a player this guy is

Xristos
08-04-2011, 07:52 PM
exactly...he should definitely make the team. Javtokas and Ksistof on the other hand don't look too impressive to me. They'll make the team, but their level of play is questionable. And it looks like turnovers are still out guards best friend...:rolleyes:


Well I think in Javtokas and Ksistof's case, they know they are guaranteed a spot and probably are not overexerting themselves

A bit humorous to think that this Lithuanian team's biggest weakness might be guard play and 3 pt shooting

yessuz
08-04-2011, 07:55 PM
Well I think in Javtokas and Ksistof's case, they know they are guaranteed a spot and probably are not overexerting themselves

A bit humorous to think that this Lithuanian team's biggest weakness might be guard play and 3 pt shooting

well, from the previous WC we've lost two very important players: Kleiza and Maciulis.
All other are the same + Brothers, Jasikevicius, Kaukenas, Songaila....
although I doubt that Jasikevicius is in the same speed category as others :D

Xristos
08-04-2011, 08:01 PM
Cold blooded shot from Lorbek!!

This turned out to be a good game

Darjus scored well but gave up just as many points on defense

madmax
08-04-2011, 08:02 PM
damn, first preparation game and already a thriller:D Our pathetic perimeter D and individual Dragic show are the key factors today

LTbotd
08-04-2011, 08:03 PM
Lakovic... :D

Xristos
08-04-2011, 08:04 PM
If Lorbek and Dragic are cold blooded, Jaka Lakovic is frozen....such clutch shots :D

One of my favorite players

madmax
08-04-2011, 08:08 PM
Slovenian team is simply stacked at guard position - Lakovic and Dragic are probbaly two clutchest muthafuckas arround in Europe. On the other hand, I'm deeply unimpressed by our guards and chaotic turnover ridden offense. Lots of work to do for Kemzura

Xristos
08-04-2011, 08:09 PM
Slovenia 72 - Lithuania 70

Lots of improvement needed for Lithuania

Good news for them is that it's only the first preparation game

Cuts need to be made as soon as possible

Perimeter defense must be closely examined, no one could contain Dragic and even Lakovic

yessuz
08-04-2011, 08:16 PM
Slovenia 72 - Lithuania 70

Lots of improvement needed for Lithuania

Good news for them is that it's only the first preparation game

Cuts need to be made as soon as possible

Perimeter defense must be closely examined, no one could contain Dragic and even Lakovic

Exactly, this is the first game.
Now, we should remember, that Lithuania have lost to Sweden in preparation games few years ago... So, it's quite optimistic :D

Gala4Euroleague
08-04-2011, 08:17 PM
Jaka Lakovic :)

It is good game for Gala fans that we have a chance to watch two new signings and they are in good shape.

Jon_Koncak
08-04-2011, 08:33 PM
Cuts need to be made as soon as possible

Perimeter defense must be closely examined, no one could contain Dragic and even Lakovic

noone in europe can contain Dragic one vs one.His foot speed and explosiveness is on another level compared to the Delinikaitis and Kalnietis of this word.

pivx
08-04-2011, 08:34 PM
Jaka Lakovič was never out of shape. Last two years he must to play aside Ricky the red ridding hood so he wasn't getting any minutes:)

Nice game though. It means nothing but the positive site is that we manage to win in final minutes and that was always our weeknes...

pivx
08-04-2011, 08:39 PM
Back to back 3s from Goran Dragic to tie the game

What a player this guy is

NBA style comment will be that we unleashed the dragon :)

Straight forward
08-04-2011, 09:40 PM
noone in europe can contain Dragic one vs one.His foot speed and explosiveness is on another level compared to the Delinikaitis and Kalnietis of this word.

I agree on this. He resembles Marčiulionis a little bit, even though the latter was even stronger. He can get to the basket, that's for sure. Fun to watch. Anyway, Slovenia looks good, but the bench could be deeper.

Frosties
08-04-2011, 10:09 PM
I agree on this. He resembles Marčiulionis a little bit, even though the latter was even stronger. He can get to the basket, that's for sure. Fun to watch. Anyway, Slovenia looks good, but the bench could be deeper.

Let me call that a heresy!!!! We should call the Spanish inquisition.

buterbrodas
08-05-2011, 07:55 AM
from what i saw i feel optimistic-first game,new team(veterans added),game against one of the favorites of EC IMO.

happy to see Songaila(dark horse for any team) doing what he used to do...big fail for Zalgiris not signing him,big win to Gala for adding him to the roster. Wait till he's in shape

NastyBudes
08-05-2011, 01:32 PM
Songaila was really a surprise. after years of sitting on the bench

Mindozas
08-05-2011, 02:38 PM
Songaila was really a surprise. after years of sitting on the bench

You mean 1 season? :rolleyes:

It was really strange, to say the least, how people started to write him off, just cause of one bad season, nor he was injured, which could have way more bigger damage, nor he played bad even in those crap minutes, just coach didn't use him. Why? Who the hell knows. But just season ago under different coach he was quite important player in NOH, played lot of time in decisive moments of the games and etc.
And ffs when after that short 2min clip from NT practise, people started to make conclusions... it was just lol. It's like to watch some mix on youtube from some player and make the same conclusion about him :rolleyes: Even Cukinas has one or two, where he plays p'n'r and dunks :D

Xristos
08-05-2011, 06:35 PM
Of course Zouros starts Xanthopoulos :rolleyes:

Xristos
08-05-2011, 06:42 PM
Bargnani already 1-5 and got destroyed by Fotsis in the open court :D

Fotsis already with 6

Bourousis easily took Bargnani in the post twice for easy points

Bargnani just put a big poster on Bourousis :o Good revenge

We need to get that on Youtube


2 great passes from Bargnani, one to Datome and one to Mancinelli

Joško Poljak Fan
08-05-2011, 06:44 PM
Bargnani already 1-5 and got destroyed by Fotsis in the open court :D

Fotsis already with 6
Any link for a broadcast maybee?

madmax
08-05-2011, 06:47 PM
This Bourousis fella will probably be a new leader of this greek team, at least offensively. Italians still look quite rusty, but the Fabulous Trio should warm up and start delivering soon enough

Xristos
08-05-2011, 06:50 PM
Any link for a broadcast maybee?

Hey man, I think it there are links here

soccertvlive.net/sport/basketball.html

Xristos
08-05-2011, 06:51 PM
This Bourousis fella will probably be a new leader of this greek team, at least offensively. Italians still look quite rusty, but the Fabulous Trio should warm up and start delivering soon enough

Bourousis and Fotsis are our leaders. Our 2 best players in this squad by a large margin

Glad Bramos is getting early minutes

He should make it over Charalampidis

Joško Poljak Fan
08-05-2011, 06:53 PM
Hey man, I think it there are links here

soccertvlive.net/sport/basketball.html
You're the man :) thanks :)

Looking forward to watching Italy and Greece, both are a bit enigma's right now...

Xristos
08-05-2011, 07:23 PM
Greece 38 - Italy 33

Datome playing great, he brought Italy back in the game by himself
Zouros barely gave Pat Calathes any minutes :rolleyes:
Big difference so far is Italy attempting too many 3 pt shots.
Greece turning it over too much. Zisis doing nothing
Greece dominating Italy in rebounding

Xristos
08-05-2011, 07:29 PM
Russia 88 - Bulgaria 51

Russia: Fridzon (14), Mozgov (12), Antonov (10), Kirilenko (10), Shved (9),Khvostov (7), Shabalkin (6), Bykov (5), Ponkrashov (5), Monya (4 )Vorontsevich (3), Voronov (3)

Bulgaria: Kostov (12), D. Ivanov (8) Videnov (8), Varbanov (6), Rowland (5)

Kwijibo
08-05-2011, 07:37 PM
For me russia could do a lot in this tournament :)

Bykovas
08-05-2011, 08:01 PM
Russia 88 - Bulgaria 51

Russia: Fridzon (14), Mozgov (12), Antonov (10), Kirilenko (10), Shved (9),Khvostov (7), Shabalkin (6), Bykov (5), Ponkrashov (5), Monya (4 )Vorontsevich (3), Voronov (3)

Bulgaria: Kostov (12), D. Ivanov (8) Videnov (8), Varbanov (6), Rowland (5)

Where you found full stats?

Xristos
08-05-2011, 08:17 PM
Where you found full stats?


http://www.gazeta.ru/sport/2011/08/a_3724669.shtml


Papanikolaou playing very well, maybe proving he is becoming better than Perperoglou. His aggressiveness has resulted in some good results for the Greek defense

Very sloppy game

Clutch 3 from Bramos! This guy needs to make the team

Italy responds with their own 3 immediately :rolleyes:

Xristos
08-05-2011, 08:22 PM
Another dagger 3 by Bramos!

In the important moments of the game, Zouros put Zisis, Bramos, Papanikolaou, Fotsis, and Bourousis on the court. Maybe this will be our starting lineup for Eurobasket if Calathes isn't fit

Xristos
08-05-2011, 08:27 PM
Greece 76 - Italy 70 :)

Greece
Bourousis 13
Bramos 12
Fotsis 11
Papanikolaou 10

Italy
Belinelli 18
Bargnani 14 (fouled out)
Datome 11

Papanikolaou now looks like a lock for the final team. Bramos has a good chance of making it to.

Toxicity
08-05-2011, 08:29 PM
Greece 76 - Italy 70 :)

Greece
Bourousis 13
Bramos 12
Fotsis 11
Papanikolaou 10

Italy
Belinelli 18
Bargnani 14 (fouled out)
Datome 11

Stats lie... Belinelli worst player on court by far... :rolleyes:

We miss Gallinari badly... i hope he's not injured but he's just resting a little bit.

Joško Poljak Fan
08-05-2011, 08:30 PM
I'd need a game or two more to make a firm judgement about Greece or Italy I'll avoid a strong opinion this time.

But something was weird with Italy, their coach definately knows more than the "set plays" (if a person could actually call them that) they've showcased.

Belinelli without congrats to the oponent right to the dressing room at the end of the game, primadona-like & antipathic

Xristos
08-05-2011, 08:30 PM
Stats lie... Belinelli worst player on court by far... :rolleyes:

We miss Gallinari badly... i hope he's not injured but he's just resting a little bit.


He took too many wild shots, he seemed to think he was Kobe on court...lol

I liked the defense Poeta played, good pressure defense. Cinciarini and Maestranzi were not good. Hackett was not as good as I expected

Mancinelli was good in some stretches. Bargnani was good at times but also played a bit soft and his defense was poor

Srle
08-05-2011, 08:39 PM
Italy have same old problems Pg and Center position. Also their bench is depressing. They can cause lots of troubles for other teams only if they get hot from the 3 point line.

Kalashnikov
08-05-2011, 08:55 PM
Conclusions from the game:
- Greece has some ball circulation problems. The offensive plays are difficult to setup and sometimes steals from Italy were imminent.
- Many turnovers
- Xanthopoulos gains a place in the team as he helps tackle with the problem above. Bramos as well will be there.
- Bouroussis/Fotsis will lead the team, but Pap has his chance to do some greatness in this tournament. Let's hope he gets it!

- Italy needs a PG and 2-3 decent bench players. No wonder it couldn't qualify in a tournament of 16

hagakure
08-05-2011, 08:59 PM
http://www.gazeta.ru/sport/2011/08/a_3724669.shtml


Papanikolaou playing very well, maybe proving he is becoming better than Perperoglou. His aggressiveness has resulted in some good results for the Greek defense

Very sloppy game

Clutch 3 from Bramos! This guy needs to make the team

Italy responds with their own 3 immediately :rolleyes:

LOL you are a funny person. I was reading some of your rosters and you had Pat Calathes, Kaimakoglou and Perperoglou ahead of Papanikolaou which is ridiculous. Papanikolaou will not only be on the roster but he will be a starter too. Sloukas will also get big minutes because he is the best PG on the team.

Xristos
08-05-2011, 09:11 PM
LOL you are a funny person. I was reading some of your rosters and you had Pat Calathes, Kaimakoglou and Perperoglou ahead of Papanikolaou which is ridiculous. Papanikolaou will not only be on the roster but he will be a starter too. Sloukas will also get big minutes because he is the best PG on the team.


You call me funny yet you called Sloukas the best point guard on the team :rolleyes:

Nick Calathes is much better

It's not ridiculous considering how good Pat Calathes was this year and Kaimakoglou is more experienced

hagakure
08-05-2011, 10:57 PM
It is extremely ridiculous unless you have been brainwashed by the greek (aka green) media, which you apparently have been. Also Sloukas is a better player than Calathes. He can do things Nick cannot even dream of and if Zouros is smart he will give him the majority of the minutes at the point.

Xristos
08-06-2011, 12:17 AM
It is extremely ridiculous unless you have been brainwashed by the greek (aka green) media, which you apparently have been. Also Sloukas is a better player than Calathes. He can do things Nick cannot even dream of and if Zouros is smart he will give him the majority of the minutes at the point.


lol...good comedy

There is a reason Calathes is a major role player for a great time like Pao while Sloukas plays for a middling Eurocup club and puts up the same stats on lower overall percentage in more minute.

Calathes is a great defender and does a lot of the things which do not appear on the stat sheet as well as having great size for both perimeter positions and can even guard some small forwards. What are these "great things that Sloukas can do that Calathes can't dream of"? Shooting? That's about it.

Come back when Sloukas has 16 points and 11 assists in a critical championship game.

Adon
08-06-2011, 06:13 AM
It is extremely ridiculous unless you have been brainwashed by the greek (aka green) media, which you apparently have been.

The Greek/green media have pronounced Papanikolaou the most talented Greek young player long ago. Pat had made a reputation as a player of Colossos and not as a member of PAO.


Also Sloukas is a better player than Calathes. He can do things Nick cannot even dream of and if Zouros is smart he will give him the majority of the minutes at the point.

...and you have the nerve to depreciate other members as "funny" and their opinions as "ridiculous". :D

FIBA Europe Basket
08-06-2011, 06:59 AM
First of all, Papanikolaou is the most overrated Greek player, beside Diamantidis.

Sure, he is athletic, he can dunk, he is a great defender, good rebounder, shot blocker, and a good stand still shooter (although not so much from 3 point range).

So what? That plus nothing else makes him just a good player and nothing more. He can't dribble. He has no offensive game. No offensive ability. He can't create his own shot. No scoring ability.

Kostas Papanikolaou is the same player as Panagiotis Vasilopoulos, except that he is not as good. He is a less talented version of Vasilopoulos. Vasilo is all the same type of player, but bigger, more athletic, more versatile, a better shooter, a better defender, and he can post.

Amazing how the same Greeks can always complain about Vasilopoulos when he was on the team, and just endlessly praise Papanikolaou when he is training for it. Even though Papanikolaou is just a poor man's Vasilopoulos.

Big freaking whoop. The level of overrating and nonsense hype about him in Greece is almost as ridiculous as the same BS in Spain about Ricky Rubio. Just hyped up young European players that are young and talented, but not even 1/10 as good as they hype says they are.

Secondly..........Sloukas or Nick Calathes... Calathes is a good young player and will get better. Sloukas is still a bit too young and needs some more time.

With that being said, Sloukas is more talented than Nick Calathes is. It's really funny reading all this nonsense from so many Greeks about Calathes all the time in this forum.

Anyone that says Calathes is more talented than Sloukas simply knows nothing about basketball. I would take Sloukas 100 times out of 100 over Nick Calathes going forward in the next 5 years.

Greeks are getting to the point of ludicrous and irrational overrating of Calathes.

He's "better than Spanoulis, Papaloukas" etc. Funny, how no one says "better than Diamantidis". Yeah, because even ones with Olympiacos avatars saying this nonsense are really PAO fans.

We have some saying Calathes has "better court vision than Papaloukas". I swear, if you said this in any European basketball circle, you would be laughed out of the gym.

Nick Calathes, while very talented himself, is not the talent of Sloukas. Sloukas has serious talent.

Anyone that says Nick Calathes is more talented than Sloukas knows nothing about basketball IMO. And there is so much delusional viewing of where Calathes is at his age from most Greeks.

The fact of the matter is that Nikos Zisis was a hell of a lot better than Nick Calathes is now when he was at the same age.

In short, Papanikolaou and Nick Calathes are ridiculously overrated in Greece. Sloukas is underrated.

What a shock. Not like any Greek point guard that could be better than Diamantidis is automatically universally underrated in Greece or anything. Not like this isn't standard MO or anything.

You can really see who has played the game and who has not, when you read some comments here.

Adon
08-06-2011, 08:24 AM
Impressive, even for you.
Almost any single sentence you wrote is laughable.

Italian Pride
08-06-2011, 10:43 AM
He took too many wild shots, he seemed to think he was Kobe on court...lol

I liked the defense Poeta played, good pressure defense. Cinciarini and Maestranzi were not good. Hackett was not as good as I expected

Mancinelli was good in some stretches. Bargnani was good at times but also played a bit soft and his defense was poor

i didn't see the game,but cinciarini was recovering from a muscle strain and Bargnani is training for a few days and is out of shape I thought I was going even worse considering we were missing Gallinari,now we'll see this afternoon against russia...

Xristos
08-06-2011, 01:34 PM
Estonia 82 - Georgia 75
EST: Kangur 19, Arbet 18, Toome 13, Veideman 13
GEO: Pachulia 17, Haynes 14, Tsintsadze 12

Finland 79 - Germany 74
FIN: Koponen 19, Koivisto 16, Muurinen 12
GER: Ohlbrecht 24, Wysocki 14, Benzing 10

Xristos
08-06-2011, 01:35 PM
i didn't see the game,but cinciarini was recovering from a muscle strain and Bargnani is training for a few days and is out of shape I thought I was going even worse considering we were missing Gallinari,now we'll see this afternoon against russia...

Will Gallo play today?

Xristos
08-06-2011, 02:28 PM
MOZGOV just had a crazy poster dunk on an Italian player, I think Carrareto.

madmax
08-06-2011, 04:31 PM
Motiejunas is like a carbon copy of Bargnani:D The same desire to shoot threes and be as soft as a tissue paper...

Italian Pride
08-06-2011, 05:20 PM
italy-russia 71-67

i saw the game Bargnani is coming back slowly into shape,very bad belinelli too forced,very well cusin,mancio(4/5 from downtown),hackett and also vitali was decisive in the victory...cinciarini too shy, still does not fit at this level perhaps still lagging status,maetsranzi played only 3 minutes fortunately...:D

so at this point i think that the choice of point guard is very difficult for our coach,hackett will be in lituania almost certainly so reamintwo places between maestranzi,vitali,cinciarini and poeta that are all at the same level...

i hope that pianiginai in the next games gives more space to our youth renzi and melli...:)

pablonis
08-06-2011, 06:01 PM
Albeit, this Czech team is not exactly a threatening opponent, but...

Valanciunas' debut in Lithuanian NT - 26 points (9/10 FG; 8/8 FT) and 11 rebounds.

Kid's going to be absolutely monstrous.

hustlerlt
08-06-2011, 06:06 PM
Lithuania-Czech Republic 94-73 with Valanciunas scoring the most points(26).

Xristos
08-06-2011, 06:09 PM
Stil want Darjus Lavrinovic and Jankunas over Jonas?

Miškinis
08-06-2011, 06:26 PM
Lithuania-Czech Republic 94-73 with Valanciunas scoring the most points(26).

Lietuva: Jonas Valančiūnas 26, Marijonas Petravičius 12, Donatas Motiejūnas 11, Šarūnas Jasikevičius 9, Martynas Pocius 7, Martynas Gecevičius 6, Tomas Delininkaitis 6, Renaldas Seibutis 5, Simas Jasaitis 4, Darius Songaila 4, Paulius Jankūnas 2, (Mindaugas Lukauskis).

Mindozas
08-06-2011, 06:35 PM
Stil want Darjus Lavrinovic and Jankunas over Jonas?

Was it a game for any conclusions? No way. This Czech frontcourt is probably of level of some LKL mediocre team... Still, Jonas atleast proved that he deserved to be kept and not to be among 3 players, which will be droped tonight

buterbrodas
08-06-2011, 06:36 PM
Stil want Darjus Lavrinovic and Jankunas over Jonas?

I would take Jankunas over Jonas :) it's just that one is C and other is PF

Xristos
08-06-2011, 06:47 PM
Was it a game for any conclusions? No way. This Czech frontcourt is probably of level of some LKL mediocre team... Still, Jonas atleast proved that he deserved to be kept and not to be among 3 players, which will be droped tonight

Despite the level of competition he still showed how dominant and useful is he is on the boards and inside the paint. Darjus against Slovenia played god awful defense. I think even Petravicius deserves a spot over Darjus, but I don't think they will cut him no matter what (Darjus)

Miškinis
08-06-2011, 07:00 PM
Official: Motiejūnas, Seibutis and Gecevičius leaves the team. Strange decision ... personally I would have chosen different players. Oh, well ... Kemzūra is the coach - I hope he knows what he is doing

pohani komarac
08-06-2011, 11:25 PM
I would take Jankunas over Jonas :) it's just that one is C and other is PF

there is no better place for young player to debute for senior ntthan in his countrie. i hope lithuanian coach will have balls to take him

Cabbage_Juice
08-06-2011, 11:58 PM
Jonas Valančiūnas vs Czech Republic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GsmvHygGw4&feature

pablonis
08-07-2011, 12:15 AM
Jonas Valančiūnas vs Czech Republic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GsmvHygGw4&feature

First points as a member of Lithuanian NT - an alley-oop dunk. :D

Jonas will own this decade.

Kwijibo
08-07-2011, 11:41 AM
First points as a member of Lithuanian NT - an alley-oop dunk. :D

Jonas will own this decade.

Jonas, Kanter, Mirotic will be the big 3 :cool:

Joško Poljak Fan
08-07-2011, 12:00 PM
Jonas, Kanter, Mirotic will be the big 3 :cool:
I respectfully disagree :) Not because I would have doubts in any of thse three that will obviously be great players... but...

Take a look at those truly top magicians (while at their best) of european basketball:
-Jasikevičius; first internationaly unknown in Rytas, got a euroleague season in Olimpija when people outside of Lithuania slowely got to know his potential at the age of 23 (? I believe) than later became one of the legends
-Diamantidis; I still remember Greek guys praising him here and predicting he'll be the no.1 surprise at eurobasket, yet when he was unknown to non-Greek public, 23 years old (again ? not exactly sure of age) and playing for Iraklis
-Macijauskas; pretty simmilar story to both upper mentioned
-Bodiroga; once again a player that shook the european basketball with his game at a relatively late age
-Smodiš; got a title with Krka at 22 y.o. and noone thought he would become the top europe PF at one point of his career
-not really on the above level, but Lakovič or Ožbolt for example were still playing in 1st Slovenian league at the age of 22 and there are loads of stories like that along with enormous talents at younger ages either getting lost on bench, stop practicing the way they should or wasted by injuries

edit: ou yeah, comparison at younger ages would be interesting with Sani Bečirovič that averaged 21 ppg in EL in a contender team at the age of 19 or Miloš Vujanić that was there somewhere as well...

There definately are lots of situations, where the player is an obvious potential from the age of 18 all the way to having a good career at the mature age, but surprisingly a lot of great players mature at the age of 24-25 or later and quite a lot of "the greatest ones" share that path. Actualy most of the players I really adore in basketball sense, developed pretty late.

...all that just to say, those three you mentioned will on the long term mostlikely be the part of the big 5 not 3 :)

Kwijibo
08-07-2011, 12:31 PM
I respectfully disagree :) Not because I would have doubts in any of thse three that will obviously be great players... but...

Take a look at those truly top magicians (while at their best) of european basketball:
-Jasikevičius; first internationaly unknown in Rytas, got a euroleague season in Olimpija when people outside of Lithuania slowely got to know his potential at the age of 23 (? I believe) than later became one of the legends
-Diamantidis; I still remember Greek guys praising him here and predicting he'll be the no.1 surprise at eurobasket, yet when he was unknown to non-Greek public, 23 years old (again ? not exactly sure of age) and playing for Iraklis
-Macijauskas; pretty simmilar story to both upper mentioned
-Bodiroga; once again a player that shook the european basketball with his game at a relatively late age
-Smodiš; got a title with Krka at 22 y.o. and noone thought he would become the top europe PF at one point of his career
-not really on the above level, but Lakovič or Ožbolt for example were still playing in 1st Slovenian league at the age of 22 and there are loads of stories like that along with enormous talents at younger ages either getting lost on bench, stop practicing the way they should or wasted by injuries

edit: ou yeah, comparison at younger ages would be interesting with Sani Bečirovič that averaged 21 ppg in EL in a contender team at the age of 19 or Miloš Vujanić that was there somewhere as well...

There definately are lots of situations, where the player is an obvious potential from the age of 18 all the way to having a good career at the mature age, but surprisingly a lot of great players mature at the age of 24-25 or later and quite a lot of "the greatest ones" share that path. Actualy most of the players I really adore in basketball sense, developed pretty late.

...all that just to say, those three you mentioned will on the long term mostlikely be the part of the big 5 not 3 :)
I agree & disagree. I knwo that always are late booms like Papalukasm Diamantidis etc, but some players that u wrote are not late booms. For example Bodiroga. He goes with 19 years old to Stefanel trieste wasting a foreigner place in maybe the best league in that moment in europe and he does great stats http://195.56.77.208/player/?id=BOD-DEJ-73
And the other player that i disagree is SModis a player who did very good young tournaments like mirotic, jonas or Kanter. Look what tournament he did at the age of 19 http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.playerID_21229.compID_q MRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_1999.roundID_2267.tea mID_2154.html

pohani komarac
08-07-2011, 01:04 PM
parker, nowitzki, gasol, kirilenko?

about Bodiroga....he was young prodigy at age of 18 playing lot of minutes for Zadar in at that times best league in europe...there was video on you tube i can't find no more where he did his move on Toni Kukoc at semifinals of of Yugoslavian championship...don't know how hi did when ex-yugo broke apart, but he was in Kreso Cosic plans to create new club powerhose with him and Komazec

SunOverHStreet
08-07-2011, 01:06 PM
-Bodiroga; once again a player that shook the european basketball with his game at a relatively late age

Age 21. Title shot for Olimpia Milano.
-DD1TDK_HV0
Averaging slightly over 21 points with Stefanel, in his first season when only 19.
What are you talking about?

Joško Poljak Fan
08-07-2011, 01:34 PM
You got it right about Bodiroga. I missed that one, but the point remains even without him. Some nice clips though :)


parker, nowitzki, gasol, kirilenko?
As I already said in the up-above post, lot's of later great players developed just as it was expected within their younger age, but significantly big ammount of players among the greatest developed pretty late, while noone predicted them some huge career at the age of 18, 19 or even 20. 50/50 ratio would be a bit harsh to claim, but nevertheles it's pretty noticable.

Kwijibo
08-07-2011, 01:48 PM
You got it right about Bodiroga. I missed that one, but the point remains even without him. Some nice clips though :)


As I already said in the up-above post, lot's of later great players developed just as it was expected within their younger age, but significantly big ammount of players among the greatest developed pretty late, while noone predicted them some huge career at the age of 18, 19 or even 20. 50/50 ratio would be a bit harsh to claim, but nevertheles it's pretty noticable.

In Spain we have the example of San M

Adon
08-07-2011, 05:32 PM
greece-russia

http://www.fromsportcom.com/v-2/12/116/v-331719.html

Xristos
08-07-2011, 06:28 PM
Great game with Russia right now

Kaimakoglou and Bourousis playing excellent

Kirilenko, Fridzon and Mozgov are a tough trio in Russia. Kirilenko missed a crucial shot to take the lead within 10 seconds and then Mozgov made a big turnover

We win 83-80 :)

Kalashnikov
08-07-2011, 06:30 PM
Nice game today. Back from -16 in the first half! And most importantly, a good reaction on against zone defense (which usually kills the greek teams).

But I believe that Russia will go further in this tournament. A solid team!

Xristos
08-07-2011, 06:33 PM
Nice game today. Back from -16 in the first half! And most importantly, a good reaction on against zone defense (which usually kills the greek teams).

But I believe that Russia will go further in this tournament. A solid team!

I like how our guys are not relying on one or two players and moving the ball around well

No Spanoulis and Sofo might end up being a blessing in disguise because now we have better ball movement and good space on the floor for the shooters like Bramos, Zisis, Sloukas, and Vasileiadis to knock down 3s. I am not saying that we are better without them, of course, but the way this team is playing together gives me hope of finishing in the top six

hagakure
08-07-2011, 06:34 PM
Like I said, when Sloukas plays Greece is a better team. If Zouros is smart he will give him starter minutes. He is better than any PG this team has.

Kalashnikov
08-07-2011, 06:44 PM
Like I said, when Sloukas plays Greece is a better team. If Zouros is smart he will give him starter minutes. He is better than any PG this team has.

Sure, in the second half he played very well, but the entire team played better! But in the first half when under pressure, Sloukas had lots of trouble getting the ball down and organising the game.

So far, out of our 3 PGs, Xanthopoulos has impressed me the most. But it is true that Sloukas has more potential and getting him onboard early is an investment to the future.

P.S. In the Centers struggle, it really looks like Vougioukas is losing ground to Mavroidis. Today Mavroidis was great in defense and did some nice things in offense as well...

cartmaniac
08-07-2011, 07:01 PM
Some thoughts after this tournament

Xanthopoulos seems to play quite well at this moment. He might win a spot in the final 12.He is a quite reliable solution and right now i think his odds are much better than Mantzaris' and Charalambidis' ones.

I am not sure who is going to be used behind Fotsis at the power forward position. Apart from Fotsis, only Kaimakoglou can play as 4 in this team. I don't think that Vougioukas-Mavroeidis being together on the court can work. None of them is quick and none of them can shoot even from mid range. Also we didn't see Zouros to try to use Pat Kalathes as power forward at all.

i think that the Pat Kalathes, Charalampidis and one of Vougioukas/Mavroeidis would be cut of the final 12.

Straight forward
08-07-2011, 07:47 PM
Joško Poljak Fan, in European BB there are two idols - P. Gasol and D. Nowitzki and that's the dimension of big players (I think you'll agree). Everything might happen in BB, but Valančiūnas has the potential to step into that dimension. No disrespect, but basically Valančiūnas already crossing all lines - 19yo playing for Lithuanian NT and looks (is) the best player on the court. That's not even the story of Šaras or Bodiroga. I have a very strong feeling we should talk here about Sabonis and Gasol... :rolleyes: I mean, even if this kid will fail, he's producing phenomenal things right know.

GEORGE_4
08-07-2011, 10:31 PM
Was it a game for any conclusions? No way. This Czech frontcourt is probably of level of some LKL mediocre team... Still, Jonas atleast proved that he deserved to be kept and not to be among 3 players, which will be droped tonight

We played without four key players (Benda, Satoransky, Vesely, Welsch)... but lithuanian NT is another level right now...

Italian Pride
08-07-2011, 10:40 PM
italy-poland 88-72

we won against a poland that played without many key players like kelati,gortat and scwescwick,so beli played a biggest fourth quarter with 22 points of his 30 at the end...i didn't see the game,unfortunately nothing big 3 even today I hope to see them in the next tournament in Rimini to see how they integrate together,i also hope that pianigiani decides the hierarchy of our playmaker,in this torunament vitali played very well i think he could be in the final rooster,we'll see...

Kwijibo
08-07-2011, 10:50 PM
italy-poland 88-72

we won against a poland that played without many key players like kelati,gortat and scwescwick,so beli played a biggest fourth quarter of with 22 points of his 30 at the end...i didn't see the game,unfortunately nothing big 3 even today I hope to see them in the next tournament in Rimini to see how they integrate together,i also hope that pianigiani decides the hierarchy of our playmaker,in this torunament vitali played very well i think he could be in the final rooster,we'll see...

Why kelati will play instead of logan? And Simon & Lampe won't play? :confused:

Italian Pride
08-07-2011, 10:52 PM
Why kelati will play instead of logan? And Simon & Lampe won't play? :confused:

lampe will miss eurobasket;)

on kelati or logan i think they choice kelati,but i am not sure...;)

Kwijibo
08-07-2011, 11:01 PM
lampe will miss eurobasket;)

on kelati or logan i think they choice kelati,but i am not sure...;)

Then they can loose +40 against spain, turkey or lithuania :(

DragisA
08-08-2011, 08:32 AM
Kelati joined to the staff just before the tournament in Nikozja so Pipan decided that he didn't play... for sure Kalati will be ready for the tournament in Rimini

Szewczyk will join the NT today... recently his child was born

Lampe decided that after very good season in Russia, he is tired and want to spend more time with his familly so in this year he won't play...

The Polish Federation has many problems with contact to Logan ;)

The insurance for Gortat is still not ready but he was with NT in Cyprus

DanMajerle
08-08-2011, 11:20 AM
Man, Kirilenko had a monster game vs Greece. Hardly any greek player could get up a clean shot when he was on the court as everyone was afraid to get blocked again.
Russia was impressive, very big and strong team. Good interior defense with Kirilenko and Mozgov (altough Mozgov isn't that good and usually gets quick fouls). But you don't drive to the basket easy here. If Khryapa recovers in time Russia will be very strong defensively in the frontcourt and Shved and Khostov showed really nice playmaking.

Kwijibo
08-08-2011, 12:44 PM
Kelati joined to the staff just before the tournament in Nikozja so Pipan decided that he didn't play... for sure Kalati will be ready for the tournament in Rimini

Szewczyk will join the NT today... recently his child was born

Lampe decided that after very good season in Russia, he is tired and want to spend more time with his familly so in this year he won't play...

The Polish Federation has many problems with contact to Logan ;)

The insurance for Gortat is still not ready but he was with NT in Cyprus
Than you dude :)

baelor
08-08-2011, 03:22 PM
lampe will miss eurobasket;)

on kelati or logan i think they choice kelati,but i am not sure...;)

what is wrong with european national teams these days?:D logan, kelati are polish? :)

it was easier to ask Lihuania to lend Darjus Lavrinovic... he's got a fitting name :)

I'm afraid the championships in the future will be so dull:mad: americans, australians, puerto ricans will lead most teams ;) i got chills just thinking about it

miyagiturbo
08-08-2011, 09:06 PM
hi guys what time is the spain-france game tomorrow? i'm from US having a hard time trying to find out when i should look for a stream. thanks

mbenga
08-08-2011, 11:40 PM
hi guys what time is the spain-france game tomorrow? i'm from US having a hard time trying to find out when i should look for a stream. thanks

15:30 ET. I'm sure there will be several links in fromsport, livescortehunter, sport24.lt, etc...

miyagiturbo
08-09-2011, 12:37 AM
15:30 ET. I'm sure there will be several links in fromsport, livescortehunter, sport24.lt, etc...

Thanks alot man.

nikthegreek
08-09-2011, 01:10 PM
Anyone that says Nick Calathes is more talented than Sloukas knows nothing about basketball IMO. And there is so much delusional viewing of where Calathes is at his age from most Greeks.


first of all,the fact that you say that shows that you are disrespectful...i'm from greece and i know every player,i have seen almost all of the games of calathes and some of sloukas..YOU ARE FROM GREAT BRITAIN SO YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ME ABOUT LUOL DENG...calathes is so much better from sloukas.sloukas is a different player that dishes assists,plays defence only to the play maker and can shoot better than nick,nick is more <free>in defence,a player with missions such as the game with barcha,opposite to navarro,he is simply very talented at offence,can create a free pass and finish with a lay up..FURTHEMORE,ITS BLASFEMY TO SAY THAT DIAMANTIDIS IS OVERATTED..HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN EUROPE KNOW AFTER DIRK AND PAU..sry for my bad english..but i'm greek and i know much more than you for the greek players and teams..

nikthegreek
08-09-2011, 01:13 PM
First of all, Papanikolaou is the most overrated Greek player, beside Diamantidis.

Sure, he is athletic, he can dunk, he is a great defender, good rebounder, shot blocker, and a good stand still shooter (although not so much from 3 point range).

So what? That plus nothing else makes him just a good player and nothing more. He can't dribble. He has no offensive game. No offensive ability. He can't create his own shot. No scoring ability.

Kostas Papanikolaou is the same player as Panagiotis Vasilopoulos, except that he is not as good. He is a less talented version of Vasilopoulos. Vasilo is all the same type of player, but bigger, more athletic, more versatile, a better shooter, a better defender, and he can post.

Amazing how the same Greeks can always complain about Vasilopoulos when he was on the team, and just endlessly praise Papanikolaou when he is training for it. Even though Papanikolaou is just a poor man's Vasilopoulos.

Big freaking whoop. The level of overrating and nonsense hype about him in Greece is almost as ridiculous as the same BS in Spain about Ricky Rubio. Just hyped up young European players that are young and talented, but not even 1/10 as good as they hype says they are.

Secondly..........Sloukas or Nick Calathes... Calathes is a good young player and will get better. Sloukas is still a bit too young and needs some more time.

With that being said, Sloukas is more talented than Nick Calathes is. It's really funny reading all this nonsense from so many Greeks about Calathes all the time in this forum.

Anyone that says Calathes is more talented than Sloukas simply knows nothing about basketball. I would take Sloukas 100 times out of 100 over Nick Calathes going forward in the next 5 years.

Greeks are getting to the point of ludicrous and irrational overrating of Calathes.

He's "better than Spanoulis, Papaloukas" etc. Funny, how no one says "better than Diamantidis". Yeah, because even ones with Olympiacos avatars saying this nonsense are really PAO fans.

We have some saying Calathes has "better court vision than Papaloukas". I swear, if you said this in any European basketball circle, you would be laughed out of the gym.

Nick Calathes, while very talented himself, is not the talent of Sloukas. Sloukas has serious talent.

Anyone that says Nick Calathes is more talented than Sloukas knows nothing about basketball IMO. And there is so much delusional viewing of where Calathes is at his age from most Greeks.

The fact of the matter is that Nikos Zisis was a hell of a lot better than Nick Calathes is now when he was at the same age.

In short, Papanikolaou and Nick Calathes are ridiculously overrated in Greece. Sloukas is underrated.

What a shock. Not like any Greek point guard that could be better than Diamantidis is automatically universally underrated in Greece or anything. Not like this isn't standard MO or anything.

You can really see who has played the game and who has not, when you read some comments here.

first of all,the fact that you say that shows that you are disrespectful...i'm from greece and i know every player,i have seen almost all of the games of calathes and some of sloukas..YOU ARE FROM GREAT BRITAIN SO YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ME ABOUT LUOL DENG...calathes is so much better from sloukas.sloukas is a different player that dishes assists,plays defence only to the play maker and can shoot better than nick,nick is more <free>in defence,a player with missions such as the game with barcha,opposite to navarro,he is simply very talented at offence,can create a free pass and finish with a lay up..FURTHEMORE,ITS BLASFEMY TO SAY THAT DIAMANTIDIS IS OVERATTED..HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN EUROPE KNOW AFTER DIRK AND PAU..sry for my bad english..but i'm greek and i know much more than you for the greek players and teams..

each way
08-09-2011, 02:05 PM
Are all the big guns from both France and Spain expected to play tonight? I'm guessing a lot of limited minutes to their starters?

baelor
08-09-2011, 02:09 PM
..FURTHEMORE,ITS BLASFEMY TO SAY THAT DIAMANTIDIS IS OVERATTED..HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN EUROPE NOW AFTER DIRK AND PAU..sry for my bad english..but i'm greek and i know much more than you for the greek players and teams..

Really man? I know you're greek and, of course, you tend to slightly overrate your own players and there's nothing wrong with that.. but just think about it... Do such names as Kirilenko, Fernandez, Teodosic, Kleiza, Krstic, Parker, Noah, Calderon, Deng etc. etc. etc. mean anything to you? Diamantidis is great but when we talk about THE BEST everyone mentions Gasol and Dirk - they are really THE BEST ... and the other (lets say 20) including Diamantidis, are very very good:eek:

Peace:cool:

the_black_planet
08-09-2011, 03:01 PM
Really man? I know you're greek and, of course, you tend to slightly overrate your own players and there's nothing wrong with that.. but just think about it... Do such names as Kirilenko, Fernandez, Teodosic, Kleiza, Krstic, Parker, Noah, Calderon, Deng etc. etc. etc. mean anything to you? Diamantidis is great but when we talk about THE BEST everyone mentions Gasol and Dirk - they are really THE BEST ... and the other (lets say 20) including Diamantidis, are very very good:eek:

Peace:cool:

You are obviously right that Diamantidis is noway the 3rd best European player at the moment,though Teodosic and Rudy(and especially Teodosic) haven't proved themselves yet as top class leaders,even if talent-wise they are better.

JGX
08-09-2011, 06:16 PM
East Coast All-Stars beat Sweden 78-77 and lost to Georgia 98-81. They play Estonia today. Recaps from their point of view:
http://guyrancourt.com/eastcoastrecap.htm

Anyone have the other results from this tournament?

CriCri
08-09-2011, 06:21 PM
If someone have a good link for Spain-France, let me know please

Thanks by advance

SG-
08-09-2011, 06:31 PM
Maybe someone has Great Britain vs Nigeria livescore?

JGX
08-09-2011, 06:46 PM
Maybe someone has Great Britain vs Nigeria livescore?

No idea about live score but this has a streaming link:
http://s14.zetaboards.com/WhatsBev/single/?p=8104404&t=6673874

Adon
08-09-2011, 07:14 PM
If someone have a good link for Spain-France, let me know please

Thanks by advance
http://www.lshunter.tv/basketball-live-streaming-video.html

CriCri
08-09-2011, 07:33 PM
http://www.lshunter.tv/basketball-live-streaming-video.html

Perfect, thank you very much :cool:

Straight forward
08-09-2011, 07:41 PM
The same Spain's Tornado...They will be extremely hard to beat, and obviously Calderon and Pau bring Spain to different level.

Cojayar
08-09-2011, 07:54 PM
If someone have a good link for Spain-France, let me know please

Thanks by advance
This is a good link. Legal and available outside Spain.

http://directos.lasexta.com/sextatv/directo/vuelve_la_roja___gira_2011/1

EDIT. Now, after the first quarter no more available outside Spain?? WTF.

Frosties
08-09-2011, 08:17 PM
This is a good link. Legal and available outside Spain.

http://directos.lasexta.com/sextatv/directo/vuelve_la_roja___gira_2011/1

EDIT. Now, after the first quarter no more available outside Spain?? WTF.

Watching two games at the same time....

Sada is a fantastic player, the kind any team would need and both Gasol bros at the same time in court needs to be worked more. Half time + 20 for Spain, P. Gasol + 17.

Teodosic might be cool, scores from half court... but Savanovic is to me and by far the best Serbian player right now. What a talented, intelligent and team player he is!!!! IMO, currently, the best Serbian player by far -yet not a fashionable one for fans.

felix_r
08-09-2011, 09:12 PM
Somebody has the statistics of Serbia-Croatia game?

barchen
08-09-2011, 09:45 PM
serbica - cro http://live.baskethotel.com/kzs/

somebody stast of spain-france? thx...

baelor
08-10-2011, 05:16 AM
The same Spain's Tornado...They will be extremely hard to beat, and obviously Calderon and Pau bring Spain to different level.

We are gonna be demolished on saturday :) Thank God these preparation games don't mean anything ...

Spain looks unstoppable for now:eek:

fasoulaki
08-10-2011, 09:23 AM
Montenegro canceled the participation at the Acropolis Cup. I am wondering why!

Migelitas
08-10-2011, 09:29 AM
serbica - cro http://live.baskethotel.com/kzs/

somebody stast of spain-france? thx...

http://193.46.238.130/NoticiaDesarrollo.aspx?idNoticia=38909

Italian Pride
08-10-2011, 10:07 AM
Montenegro canceled the participation at the Acropolis Cup. I am wondering why!

it's official the news? :rolleyes:

Which team will eventually replace the montenegro?

fasoulaki
08-10-2011, 10:48 AM
it's official the news? :rolleyes:

Which team will eventually replace the montenegro?

I read it on several sport portals sites but I did not find any official statement on the federation web site.

They claim that the federation is searching for replacement but if they do not find any the tournament will finish one day earlier.

barchen
08-10-2011, 01:03 PM
where will be Russia - Lith match? in russia or in lith? thx...

Mindozas
08-10-2011, 01:06 PM
where will be Russia - Lith match? in russia or in lith? thx...

Should be here (http://debilizator.tv/big.cgi?kanal=7)

Straight forward
08-10-2011, 01:20 PM
Also, might be different link here: http://www.lshunter.tv/basketball-live-streaming-video.html

Xristos
08-10-2011, 02:34 PM
When does Russia - Lithuania start?

Straight forward
08-10-2011, 02:37 PM
When does Russia - Lithuania start?

17 CET. Changed the time I guess.

Xristos
08-10-2011, 02:37 PM
17 CET. Changed the time I guess.


Thanks, I hate when they do that

Adon
08-10-2011, 02:41 PM
when does russia - lithuania start?

18:25 Баскетбол. Товарищеский матч. Мужчины. Россия - Литва. Прямая трансляция.


according to:
http://debilizator.tv/big.cgi?kanal=7

Straight forward
08-10-2011, 02:42 PM
17 CET. Changed the time I guess.

Edit: Lithuania stuck in the traffic. That's the reason.

Kwijibo
08-10-2011, 03:11 PM
http://www.sport24.me/streams/CreepyTV.html
I'm seeing lithuania and for the moment their showing a poor level :(

Adon
08-10-2011, 03:14 PM
Are all 3 refs Russians?

pablonis
08-10-2011, 03:31 PM
If Kemzura takes either of Darjus/Jankunas/Petravicius instead of Jonas... :rolleyes:

A couple of dunks, taking rebounds over and shutting down Mozgov, monster block on Kirilenko, all in back to back possessions in just a few minutes. But most importantly - his energy woke up the team.

Xristos
08-10-2011, 03:31 PM
Cuts should be Darjus (maybe), Jankunas, and Petravicius

Valanciunas should not be cut another any circumstance. He is the best center on this team

madmax
08-10-2011, 03:34 PM
seeing the 3rd game of Lithuania and quick thoughts so far:
Javtokas and Jankunas are completely useless and should have already been cut;
Valanciunas is already the best player on the NT;
Our guards can't hit an outside shot to save their life;
Only Sharas can pass the ball properly, all the others are making turnovers

In other words, not looking good so far

pablonis
08-10-2011, 03:36 PM
seeing the 3rd game of Lithuania and quick thoughts so far:
Javtokas and Jankunas are completely useless and should have already been cut;
Valanciunas is already the best player on the NT;
Our guards can't hit an outside shot to save their life;
Only Sharas can pass the ball properly, all the others are making turnovers

In other words, not looking good so far

Relax. ;)

Xristos
08-10-2011, 03:45 PM
Truthfully, Javtokas has not looked great so far in games. I don't think his spot should be safe. Mozgov is outplaying him pretty easily

Why was Alijevas not called? Surely he could do at least what Delininkaitis is supposed to do

madmax
08-10-2011, 03:51 PM
Relax. ;)

I'd be calm as a cucumber if this EC wouldn't be so important...yet I can't accept the fact that our coach is putting so many hopes on mediocre out of form players and completely dismissing the talented ones. This is just outrageous and he will pay a huge price for it

Straight forward
08-10-2011, 03:58 PM
Truthfully, Javtokas has not looked great so far in games. I don't think his spot should be safe. Mozgov is outplaying him pretty easily

Why was Alijevas not called? Surely he could do at least what Delininkaitis is supposed to do

Alijevas? Kemzura couldn't think what to do with Gecevičius :p

My oh my Lukauskis. 5 bad moments in a row. He's bricking since 2008 and he can't play defence against good teams. Still finds the way to NT.

Darjus basically can't play center at defence. We are so mediocre at 4, 3 positions, Kleiza is missing like fresh water. Songaila too slow in defence. Pocius will probably be a starter, not Kaukenas. Delininkaitis is not worth to be in the team and Kemzura took him only remembering last year.

Positive things? Only 3rd game :D And off course Jonas and Šaras.

Darknemo2000
08-10-2011, 04:01 PM
Didnt expect valanciunas to be the best player on our NT but he is. He plays better than our any other centers so far.

Lukauskis, Delininkaitis and Jankunas seem to be totally misfit. Kaukenas plays much worse than I thought he would.

pablonis
08-10-2011, 04:04 PM
I'd be calm as a cucumber if this EC wouldn't be so important...yet I can't accept the fact that our coach is putting so many hopes on mediocre out of form players and completely dismissing the talented ones. This is just outrageous and he will pay a huge price for it

While i might not agree with some of his decisions (Lukauskis instead of Seibutis - wtf!?!), after the way Kemzura proved us all absolutely wrong last year, the least we owe is to give some benefit of the doubt.


EDIT: Jonas throwing it down again :D

Adon
08-10-2011, 04:16 PM
Kirilenkas, Mozgovas, Bikovas, Lavrinovichas,....:D

Adon
08-10-2011, 04:27 PM
It's just a friendly game,I know, but Lithuania definitely doesn't look like a gold contender. Not even like a medal contender. Kleiza is irreplaceable.

pablonis
08-10-2011, 04:40 PM
It's just a friendly game,I know, but Lithuania definitely doesn't look like a gold contender. Not even like a medal contender. Kleiza is irreplaceable.

That he obviously is and if the championship would not be taking place in Lithuania i'd be plenty worried too. But it is.

This game should be taken with consideration. I'd rather have us hit those shots in three weeks time than now.

Mindozas
08-10-2011, 04:44 PM
It's just a friendly game,I know, but Lithuania definitely doesn't look like a gold contender. Not even like a medal contender. Kleiza is irreplaceable.

IMO it's good that we look like this right now. Some reality check after last year is needed not only for players, but for fans generally. However, it all matters how we will look after a month

pablonis
08-10-2011, 04:56 PM
A lot of work still to be done, but there's 3 more weeks, so i'm rather calm. Russia on the other hand, is playing a little too good too soon.

The next game against Spain will be painful to watch. Humiliation is the word that springs to mind when i think of it.

Straight forward
08-10-2011, 05:00 PM
IMO it's good that we look like this right now. Some reality check after last year is needed not only for players, but for fans generally. However, it all matters how we will look after a month

On other hand, wasn't that reality a little bit too late while watching how Delininkaitis and Lukauskis (he's transcendental, beyond critics of this worlds' basketball though :p) playing? We'll see. A lot of work to do, and I'm not so sure we can get to the level we would like.

On other hand, we have the best prospect since Pau Gasol, the future is bright :p

lafa
08-10-2011, 05:01 PM
First of all - Darjuš must go... Songaila on the other hand is still quite good player. Jankunas looked lost sometimes today, but overall was half bad. Kaukenas was dissapointing... Still Javtokas was the worst...

LTbotd
08-10-2011, 05:03 PM
Hope we won't meet in eurobasket, never liked games against Russia :rolleyes:

Adon
08-10-2011, 05:03 PM
A lot of work still to be done, but there's 3 more weeks, so i'm rather calm. Russia on the other hand, is playing a little too good too soon.

Mozgovas and Kirilenkas are both in great shape. Other than that, Russia isn't playing too good. Perhaps Lithuania's game made them look too good. I remind you that they lost against Italy and against the weakest Greece of the last decade a couple of days ago.

Joško Poljak Fan
08-10-2011, 05:07 PM
A lot of work still to be done, but there's 3 more weeks, so i'm rather calm. Russia on the other hand, is playing a little too good too soon.
I actually said that once, trashed Russians a lot along... and they won gold :D

Not sure of what should I think about this Russian team.

Mindozas
08-10-2011, 05:08 PM
On other hand, wasn't that reality a little bit too late while watching how Delininkaitis and Lukauskis (he's transcendental, beyond critics of this worlds' basketball though :p) playing? We'll see. A lot of work to do, and I'm not so sure we can get to the level we would like.

That's what I'm talking about - fans are getting dissapointed about NT - it's good. Less pressure, more critisism is only for the better.
Regarding Delnas and Lukauskis, well, atleast it's not too late for them to reach their form, we all know that they can do much better, especially Delnas, Kemzura knows that too, we'll see if they'll catch their form when it's needed

madmax
08-10-2011, 05:11 PM
That's what I'm talking about - fans are getting dissapointed about NT - it's good. Less pressure, more critisism is only for the better.
Regarding Delnas and Lukauskis, well, atleast it's not too late for them to reach their form, we all know that they can do much better, especially Delnas, Kemzura knows that too, we'll see if they'll catch their form when it's needed

remind the last the time when Delininkaitis was doing well on NT level:rolleyes:
His current level is the level he plays at - clueless as a PG and very erratic as a shooting guard too. Kemzura laid an egg with him and there's no denying it. Cutting Motiejunas was once again a huge mistake as well. Again, this is my opinion and no need to start ridiculing me for it:cool:

Mindozas
08-10-2011, 05:14 PM
remind the last the time when Delininkaitis was doing well on NT level:rolleyes:
His current level is the level he plays at - clueless as a PG and very erratic as a shooting guard too. Kemzura laid an egg with him and there's no denying it. Cutting Motiejunas was once again a huge mistake as well. Again, this is my opinion and no need to start ridiculing me for it:cool:

Thank you, madmax, for your input, your unbiased, deep knowledgeable opinion is always welcome. Thnx once again, write more

pablonis
08-10-2011, 05:20 PM
Mozgovas and Kirilenkas are both in great shape. Other than that, Russia isn't playing too good. Perhaps Lithuania's game made them look too good. I remind you that they lost against Italy and against the weakest Greece of the last decade a couple of days ago.

Irrelevant. They did look good today for the most part, hitting some very tough shots along the way.

And again, these are just preparation games, that should be taken with consideration. I mean, Lithuania demolished Spain just a couple of days before the start of Eurobasket 2009 and we all know how that turned out in the end. :rolleyes:


EDIT: Jonas!!!

18:20 min; 14 points 7 rebounds 2 blocks. 5/6 FG 4/4FT.

Straight forward
08-10-2011, 05:22 PM
I actually said that once, trashed Russians a lot along... and they won gold :D

Not sure of what should I think about this Russian team.

Exactly. Russia is able to tie the hands of any team. This year they might be even better than 2007 with Mazgov, improved Fridzon, Bikov and bunch of youngsters. They will need Khriapa though, he's always question mark.

It's not even surprising, but Lithuanian refs will probably be as direct as Russians were tonight :p Friendly revenge is going to take place in Panevėžys.

lafa
08-10-2011, 05:33 PM
BTW I do not recon ANY game, where Ponkrashov would have scored three 3pointers...

Adon
08-10-2011, 05:41 PM
Any link with statistics of the game please?

auris1
08-10-2011, 05:44 PM
BTW I do not recon ANY game, where Ponkrashov would have scored three 3pointers...
What are you saying?
You do not remember?
Stop using predictive texting then

lafa
08-10-2011, 05:48 PM
What are you saying?
You do not remember?
Stop using predictive texting then

What I'm saying that he's liability from downtown. But I see you know better :)

auris1
08-10-2011, 05:52 PM
What I'm saying that he's liability from downtown. But I see you know better :)
you are not saying that.

BTW I do not recon ANY game, where Ponkrashov would have scored three 3pointers..

Recon is not an English word.
So,slow down.
reckon is the word you are looking for.but even than it was not used properly
edit...
OK,i get it
What you meant was *recall

Mindozas
08-10-2011, 05:58 PM
Any link with statistics of the game please?

In Russian http://www.basket.ru/basketball/game/statistics/?bskcmpmnurtn=384&bskgam=dc7ec38f-7b4c-48f0-b9bd-793e43b53334

Edit, there's in English too http://www.basket.ru/basketball/game/statistics/?bskgam=dc7ec38f-7b4c-48f0-b9bd-793e43b53334&lc=1033

Adon
08-10-2011, 06:05 PM
In Russian http://www.basket.ru/basketball/game/statistics/?bskcmpmnurtn=384&bskgam=dc7ec38f-7b4c-48f0-b9bd-793e43b53334

Edit, there's in English too http://www.basket.ru/basketball/game/statistics/?bskgam=dc7ec38f-7b4c-48f0-b9bd-793e43b53334&lc=1033

Thanks dude :)

pablonis
08-10-2011, 06:06 PM
Recon is not an English word.


re·con - The smallest genetic unit capable of recombination.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/recon

:D

auris1
08-10-2011, 06:12 PM
re·con - The smallest genetic unit capable of recombination.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/recon

:D
re·con 2 (rkn)
n. Informal
Reconnaissance.
Reconnaissance, also known as scouting, is the military term for exploring beyond the area occupied by friendly forces to gain information about enemy forces or features of the environment.

I am sure this is what he meant

Miškinis
08-10-2011, 06:18 PM
As Tony G would say (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynLSJHxBags): up and away, on your bike ... :D Aghr... Shitty game for us ...

JGX
08-11-2011, 04:26 AM
Belgium lost 101-84 to a group of US free agents in Dallas:
http://www.belgianlions.com/index.php/news/francais/516-defaite-pour-les-belgian-lions

Now they move on to Canada, where they play Baylor (NCAA) on Friday and then two games against Canada on Saturday and Sunday.

Lietuvis
08-11-2011, 07:42 AM
As Tony G would say (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynLSJHxBags): up and away, on your bike ... :D Aghr... Shitty game for us ...

This guy has done a lot for Lithuanian basketball, he is basically the reason that Lithuania went to the World Championships!

:cool: Respect!

barchen
08-11-2011, 12:05 PM
will there be any players rested this day in turkey tournament for any side? thx

TB-Fan
08-11-2011, 12:51 PM
will there be any players rested this day in turkey tournament for any side? thx

Ömer Aşık, Semih Erden and Sinan Güler for Turkey will not play.

hustlerlt
08-11-2011, 04:03 PM
Anyone knows where and when I could watch todays Turkey game or did I miss it?I really want to see how Kanter looks after all this time not playing any official games.

gio
08-11-2011, 04:17 PM
Anyone knows where and when I could watch todays Turkey game or did I miss it?I really want to see how Kanter looks after all this time not playing any official games.

http://video.cnnturk.com/canli-yayin ;)

20:30 (gmt +2)

inefeswetrust
08-11-2011, 06:06 PM
after the horrible q1, some reminded to enter the command;
/turn ON turkish NT

and we re using cenk akyol as a hero unit, strange:eek:

SaliH
08-11-2011, 06:20 PM
The guys are not taking the game seriously. If they play like this, we won't make it to the second round. :D

hustlerlt
08-11-2011, 06:28 PM
After the first half 38-23 Turkey is in the lead against Ukraine.I didn't watch a lot of how Turkey played in the last championship,but it looks like their whole game is concentrated on outside shooting.It's a good thing that they're playing against Ukraine who's guards can't figure out what to do when someone sets a screen.The main reason why I'm watching this game is to see how Kanter is playing and so far he's been pretty bad.I know that he's only 19 and it's his NT debut,but Valanciunas in his first game against a slightly better oponent managed to score 26 points and grab 11 rebounds.Kanter is supposed to be a better player than Jonas because of his strength and great offensive skills,but so far I haven't seen any of that.On defense he's completely awful,can't do any help defense and one time when ukranian guard beat a turkish guard to the basket,Enes decided to box out his opponent rather than to try and go for a block.It's a good thing when there's another teammate that will help out,but in that case there were no other turkish player close to him.On offense he also isn't demonstrating the skills that he should have.There was a nice post up move when he really quickly turned arround for a jumper,but that's about it.Also another thing that he did pretty well was setting a lot of screens.It's a good thing,because as I've mentioned before ukranian players simply don't know what to do against them,but he isn't really good at creating himself an opportunity after the screen,what Jonas does excellently.Also his rebounding isn't really that good.The only rebounds that he managed to grab were going straight at him with no one being even close to him.His play wouldn't mind that much today if he wasn't a 3rd draft pick in the NBA and the other player,who was picked 5th was playing spectaculary.Maybe in the second half he will turn it around,who knows.

madmax
08-11-2011, 06:36 PM
After the first half 38-23 Turkey is in the lead against Ukraine.I didn't watch a lot of how Turkey played in the last championship,but it looks like their whole game is concentrated on outside shooting.It's a good thing that they're playing against Ukraine who's guards can't figure out what to do when someone sets a screen.The main reason why I'm watching this game is to see how Kanter is playing and so far he's been pretty bad.I know that he's only 19 and it's his NT debut,but Valanciunas in his first game against a slightly better oponent managed to score 26 points and grab 11 rebounds.Kanter is supposed to be a better player than Jonas because of his strength and great offensive skills,but so far I haven't seen any of that.On defense he's completely awful,can't do any help defense and one time when ukranian guard beat a turkish guard to the basket,Enes decided to box out his opponent rather than to try and go for a block.It's a good thing when there's another teammate that will help out,but in that case there were no other turkish player close to him.On offense he also isn't demonstrating the skills that he should have.There was a nice post up move when he really quickly turned arround for a jumper,but that's about it.Also another thing that he did pretty well was setting a lot of screens.It's a good thing,because as I've mentioned before ukranian players simply don't know what to do against them,but he isn't really good at creating himself an opportunity after the screen,what Jonas does excellently.Also his rebounding isn't really that good.The only rebounds that he managed to grab were going straight at him with no one being even close to him.His play wouldn't mind that much today if he wasn't a 3rd draft pick in the NBA and the other player,who was picked 5th was playing spectaculary.Maybe in the second half he will turn it around,who knows.

I think you are making too much fuss out of one half of the play...wait till the game is over at least to state any conclusions

Xristos
08-11-2011, 07:06 PM
After the first half 38-23 Turkey is in the lead against Ukraine.I didn't watch a lot of how Turkey played in the last championship,but it looks like their whole game is concentrated on outside shooting.It's a good thing that they're playing against Ukraine who's guards can't figure out what to do when someone sets a screen.The main reason why I'm watching this game is to see how Kanter is playing and so far he's been pretty bad.I know that he's only 19 and it's his NT debut,but Valanciunas in his first game against a slightly better oponent managed to score 26 points and grab 11 rebounds.Kanter is supposed to be a better player than Jonas because of his strength and great offensive skills,but so far I haven't seen any of that.On defense he's completely awful,can't do any help defense and one time when ukranian guard beat a turkish guard to the basket,Enes decided to box out his opponent rather than to try and go for a block.It's a good thing when there's another teammate that will help out,but in that case there were no other turkish player close to him.On offense he also isn't demonstrating the skills that he should have.There was a nice post up move when he really quickly turned arround for a jumper,but that's about it.Also another thing that he did pretty well was setting a lot of screens.It's a good thing,because as I've mentioned before ukranian players simply don't know what to do against them,but he isn't really good at creating himself an opportunity after the screen,what Jonas does excellently.Also his rebounding isn't really that good.The only rebounds that he managed to grab were going straight at him with no one being even close to him.His play wouldn't mind that much today if he wasn't a 3rd draft pick in the NBA and the other player,who was picked 5th was playing spectaculary.Maybe in the second half he will turn it around,who knows.

First of all, the Czech 2nd team is not at all a "slightly better opponent"
Defensively, he has not been too bad...
He has played pretty well since this is his first real FIBA senior game in years
Second, the Turkish guards are not passing into the post which is supposed to be the strength in Kanter's game, so how can a judgment be made

Looks like the whole point was to pronounce Jonas better than Enes after one half of play...:rolleyes:

SaliH
08-11-2011, 07:14 PM
OMG, Over-Time!
The team sucks so bad! :mad:

pasha
08-11-2011, 07:15 PM
Im watching this only since the middle of the 3rd quarter but Enes isnt getting any touches in the post.
Only screens and 3's.

hustlerlt
08-11-2011, 07:16 PM
First of all, the Czech 2nd team is not at all a "slightly better opponent"
Defensively, he has not been too bad...
He has played pretty well since this is his first real FIBA senior game in years
Second, the Turkish guards are not passing into the post which is supposed to be the strength in Kanter's game, so how can a judgment be made

Looks like the whole point was to pronounce Jonas better than Enes after one half of play...:rolleyes:
4 quarters played,still nothing about Enes looked that impresive.He's slow,doesn't leave the ground too often when fighting for rebounds or in defense.One thing that I liked during the second half was that he was pretty good defending one on one.I especially liked his block on Fesenko,but still when helping on defense he's simply too slow.

Daywalker989
08-11-2011, 07:28 PM
First of all, the Czech 2nd team is not at all a "slightly better opponent"
Defensively, he has not been too bad...
He has played pretty well since this is his first real FIBA senior game in years
Second, the Turkish guards are not passing into the post which is supposed to be the strength in Kanter's game, so how can a judgment be made

Looks like the whole point was to pronounce Jonas better than Enes after one half of play...:rolleyes:

I agree.Enes didnt play any official game bcs of his special sitation.What's discussion now .Jonas better then Enes.is it new discussion.


U16 European champions Avarage

Enes 23 Point, 16,5 ribaund
Jonas valanciunas 14 Point, 11 ribaund


U18

Turkey 95-Litvania 74


Enes 35 points, 19 ribaund, 4 block
Valanciunas 14 points, 5 ribaund

:rolleyes:

LTbotd
08-11-2011, 07:34 PM
Dick measuring continues...

iskoch
08-11-2011, 07:35 PM
4 quarters played,still nothing about Enes looked that impresive.He's slow,doesn't leave the ground too often when fighting for rebounds or in defense.One thing that I liked during the second half was that he was pretty good defending one on one.I especially liked his block on Fesenko,but still when helping on defense he's simply too slow.

Calm down, it was his first game after 2 years...

hustlerlt
08-11-2011, 07:40 PM
I agree.Enes didnt play any official game bcs of his special sitation.What's discussion now .Jonas better then Enes.is it new discussion.


U16 European champions Avarage

Enes 23 Point, 16,5 ribaund
Jonas valanciunas 14 Point, 11 ribaund


U18

Turkey 95-Litvania 74


Enes 35 points, 19 ribaund, 4 block
Valanciunas 14 points, 5 ribaund

:rolleyes:
That's exactly my point.Enes is being worshiped by some people about what he was able to do in the past.When he was a lot heavier than Valanciunas he dominated him,but he hasn't played anywhere for almost 2 years and meanwhile when everyone was able to see Valanciunas only getting better and stronger,nobody knows if Enes got better at all in those past two years.I still don't understand why he didn't play in last years U18 championship?I guarantee you that Enes wouldn't get anything close to those numbers that he had in youth championships against Jonas.We can see that by just looking at their games,Enes was pretty good at defending one on one because of his strength,but when he needed to help on defense he was awful.When it came to rebound he also wasn't as active on the boards.Offensively he set a lot of screens,but none of them got him open,meanwhile Jonas is already doing it all against Russia.The fact that Kanter was taken 3rd in this draft just because of something he was able to do 2 years ago and in one all-star type of game is just mind blowing.

inefeswetrust
08-11-2011, 07:41 PM
apparently naz aydemir boosts cenk, we have to make them marry as soon as possible :D

i don t aggree with the enes-jonas stuff today. not only enes, whole turkish nt(except cenk, lol i still can t believe) sucked pretty hardcore against such a weak opponent(no offence ukrainians, we were weak too 15 yrs ago). but it s still good to win with such terrible 3pts and FTs. serbia game s gonna be a better test anyway..

Joško Poljak Fan
08-11-2011, 07:41 PM
I've really underestimated some of the great coaches in the past I guess. I could be wrong and Turkey in fact doesn't miss Tanjević but simply had an incredibly slopy and bad game that comes in one of the 100 along with mental issues as hard underestimation etc. But that's a long shot.

If Turkey somehow doesn't improve in most sections, especialy in it's incredibly wild shot selection (!? weird critique for a silver medalist NT?), which is definately not a matter of "friendly or no friendly game"... medal will be out of reach considering all the competition for it.

Out of 13 teams I've seen so far, Turkey might as well be the worst prepaired NT at this very moment when also considering their individual talent.

surfer
08-11-2011, 07:49 PM
I dont care about the results of preparation games, last year we also performed kind of bad at those games, it'll be better when the actual tournement starts. Actually it is so typical, Turkish never do anything until the last minute...

Deschain
08-11-2011, 07:50 PM
After all these years, doesn't matter what comes after, people still don't want to learn that Turkey sucks in prep. games in any kind of sports.

Yeah, we know that you want to see us fail, but this has gone excessive. (Some of the guys here basically convinced themselves that Turkey or any other country except theirs sucks so badly that it's even beyond redemption.)

Orhun Ene has been stating for like 5-6 days that they'll be testing the sets, plays etc. in this tournament. You don't want fastbreaks when you want that.

TB-Fan
08-11-2011, 07:53 PM
I've really underestimated some of the great coaches in the past I guess. I could be wrong and Turkey in fact doesn't miss Tanjević but simply had an incredibly slopy and bad game that comes in one of the 100 along with mental issues as hard underestimation etc. But that's a long shot.

If Turkey somehow doesn't improve in most sections, especialy in it's incredibly wild shot selection (!? weird critique for a silver medalist NT?), which is definately not a matter of "friendly or no friendly game"... medal will be out of reach considering all the competition for it.

Out of 13 teams I've seen so far, Turkey might as well be the worst prepaired NT at this very moment when also considering their individual talent.

İ don't know other teams but maybe Turkey is the team that had toughest physical training in preparation. Our System is all about fighting and defence. Last year was the same. We sucked badly at prep games but in the tournament...;) Or how can you explain that Ilyasova shots airball? Maybe Turkey will play even worse in next games. But İ don't care. İts all about preparing for tournament.

turk-jugoslav
08-11-2011, 07:55 PM
Our team didn't look prepaired... There was no offensive organization and we played too slowly... we never went to fast break and it makes the match very boring...
about Enes Kanter... I didn't like him very much for this match but never forget,he played against very strong and sized Ukranian centers.Some Lithuanians from this forum compare him to Valanciunas's games but Jonas played against little Czech centers like Ondrej Balvin.You know,Balvin looks like 13 as physichally...In the last year,Our Oğuz Savaş ate Jonas in both matches in Eurolague but we saw in this match,Oguz was weaker than sized Ukranian centers... and we have no chance for comparing except Eurobasket 2011... Yes,Jonas looks better because he is more experienced than Kanter.Kanter needs some experience.
We are always bad at preperation games.Because we try new players to make certain team and this score doens't mean that our team is very bad