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rikhardur
01-01-2010, 04:41 PM
Previous thread is here (http://forums.interbasket.net/f32/pba-season-2009-2010-10457/).

kaiziken_pinas
01-02-2010, 03:03 AM
what if ROS gets eliminated early........ will there be a chance that the management will lend him to GILAS?

LEND, LEASE, LOAN not give.

reamily
01-02-2010, 03:10 AM
what if ROS gets eliminated early........ will there be a chance that the management will lend him to GILAS?

LEND, LEASE, LOAN not give.

slim chance needs some diplomacy man gabe norwood is not only prime player in ros but also prime marketing tool for them

jsmith124
01-03-2010, 05:03 AM
How good is Gabe playing right now?

kaiziken_pinas
01-03-2010, 05:26 AM
How good is Gabe playing right now?

he's doing alright. Scored more than 20+ points in his last 2 games. But he deserves better.

capitantiago
01-03-2010, 10:14 AM
he's doing alright. Scored more than 20+ points in his last 2 games. But he deserves better.

he needs to play elsewhere, a league where he can harness his true potential. he may not be able to do it in the pba, given the competition the league presents, and the system of his team.

raichu08
01-04-2010, 01:07 AM
Slim Chance PBA teams will lend their players (williams, Norwood, Dillinger) to gilas after Japeth's Incident

On the other hand, raising the issue on this thread might lead our resident pex based troll to once again bash gilas.

capitantiago
01-04-2010, 02:52 AM
Slim Chance PBA teams will lend their players (williams, Norwood, Dillinger) to gilas after Japeth's Incident

On the other hand, raising the issue on this thread might lead our resident pex based troll to once again bash gilas.


yes. i strongly agree. but if you remove the bap hardliners in the pba and the bcap people from the equation, then that could happen.

Pinoy Baller
01-04-2010, 06:23 AM
How do i apply for the league? Can i not join the PBL anymore because it's just a waste of time.

jesronne
01-04-2010, 06:31 AM
give us your height, position and age...

if you are a Fil am and haven't play in the philippine leagues you need to go to PBL or Liga Pilipinas first...

Iron Monkey
01-04-2010, 06:44 AM
give us your height, position and age...

if you are a Fil am and haven't play in the philippine leagues you need to go to PBL or Liga Pilipinas first...

yeah... this... but if your name is lebron james we might give you an exemption :D

TrueBluePinoy
01-04-2010, 07:10 AM
How do i apply for the league? Can i not join the PBL anymore because it's just a waste of time.

First, do you have the skills to handle the rock eh Uto_Uto_PBA_Fans, Premier, Asian Attack, Smart Gilas Tissue Paper? ;):rolleyes::D

kaiziken_pinas
01-04-2010, 08:15 AM
First, do you have the skills to handle the rock eh Uto_Uto_PBA_Fans, Premier, Asian Attack, Smart Gilas Tissue Paper? ;):rolleyes::D

and old man in back porch.

Join PBL or Liga Pilipinas first. However you could try joining the ABL.

Onizuka01
01-04-2010, 04:20 PM
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=538172&publicationSubCategoryId=69
By Nelson Beltran (The Philippine Star) Updated January 05, 2010 12:00 AM


MANILA, Philippines - Burger King and Coca-Cola closed a trade deal in the first working day of 2010 with the Whoppers acquiring the services of Alex Cabagnot and Wesley Gonzales for Gary David and Chico Lanete.

“On our end, we made this deal to solve our problem on the absence of Wynne Arboleda. With our acquisition of Alex Cabagnot, we’ve got a solid guard to rely on,” Burger King top official Lito Alvarez told The STAR.

“But acquiring a solid player requires you to also give up a solid player. We had to give up Gary David,” Alvarez added.

At Coca-Cola, David will be playing under former Air21 (now BK) coach Bo Perasol.

“Coach Bo asked for Gary. He knows how to use Gary. He blossomed to the kind of player he is today under coach Bo with us,” Alvarez said.

The two ballclubs worked on this trade deal in an effort to improve their bids in the KFC PBA Philippine Cup which resumes tomorrow at the Araneta Coliseum.

The Whoppers (5-10) and the Tigers (3-12) are down in the lower half of the chart, slugging it out with the Rain or Shine Elasto Painters (4-10) and the Barako Bull Energy Boosters (2-12) for the last three slots in the wildcard plays.

In fact, Cabagnot and David are doing well individually.

Cabagnot is No. 18 in the stats side of the Best Players of the Conference derby with averages of 13.5 points, 5.9 assists and 4.1 rebounds.

Burger King is Cabagnot’s third team after being drafted by Sta. Lucia No. 2 overall behind Jay Washington in the 2005 annual draft.

“We need a player like Cabagnot but it’s not easy to give up Gary David,” Alvarez told The STAR moments after announcing the trade deal to the Lina Group people after a Mass at Cargohaus in Pasay.

“Even Mr. (Bert) Lina was surprised. He talked to me and reminded me how close to each other the daughters of Wynne (Arboleda) and Gary (David),” said Alvarez. “I’m sure, though, that everything will be fine. This is just basketball and friends will always be friends.”

David, a product of Lyceum University, is originally a Coca-Cola Tiger.

No. 10 draft pick by Coca-Cola in 2004, David played one season with the Tigers then was shifted to Air21.

Meanwhile, the PBA said due to the busy international basketball calendar this year, top-caliber Asian imports whom the PBA teams hope to tap in a bid to draw the crowds may not be available to play in the coming Fiesta Conference.

“Most of the big name stars we hope to sign are either tied up with their mother ballclubs or will be deep in training for the big international tournaments scheduled late this year,” according to the PBA.

The league said teams can now openly recruit their respective imports for the 2010 Fiesta Conference with a 6-foot-6 height limit.

Imports who had been measured from the 2005-06 season, however, need not be re-measured with the reinforcement’s last record of measurement to be used as the import’s official height.

nardy
01-04-2010, 06:17 PM
I was shocked when I was surfing the net and stumbled on this article .... but I am not surprised as this how our Professional league really is. And it seems the rest of the basketball community outside our shores also knows it. That's the PBA .... You better read all the pages of the article.

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2007-12-12/news/a-former-rainier-beach-star-was-exiled-to-the-wacky-world-of-filipino-basketball/1

http://assets.seattleweekly.com/img/logo185x60.gif

A Former Rainier Beach Star Was Exiled to the Wacky World of Filipino Basketball

It might have been the best thing for him.

By Rafe Bartholomew (http://www.seattleweekly.com/authors/rafe-bartholomew/)

Published on December 11, 2007 at 10:17pm

Courtesy of the Alaska Aces
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/nardym/AcesEllis.jpg
Ellis’ behind-the-back dribble lands a rival defender on his ass.

With three minutes to play in the second quarter, Rosell Ellis (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Rosell+Ellis) has a look on his face that is two parts disbelief, three parts frustration, and a dash of homicidal wrath. It's late July 2007, and in Game 5 of the best-of-seven Philippine Basketball Association (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Philippine+Basketball+Association) Finals, Ellis, the 32-year-old former Washington (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Washington) state player of the year for Rainier Beach High School (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Rainier+Beach+High+School) and now import for the PBA's Alaska Aces (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Alaska+Aces), is taking his first breather of the night.


Fuming on the bench, Ellis has just watched Dale Singson (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Dale+Singson), one of his Filipino teammates, lunge into the lane like a doomed soldier leaping out of a trench. Three long-armed defenders were waiting for Singson, who bunny-hopped sideways and sent up a one-hander, which an opponent swatted into the crowd. Ellis' forehead wrinkled and his eyes bulged. Rocking back and forth and shaking his fists, he alternated between mouthing obscenities and chewing on his lower lip.


Before the PBA finals, Ellis seemed primed to win his first championship as an international player. Early in the series, he was named the PBA's best import, and his teammate, Willie Miller (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Willie+Miller), won the league's MVP award. With Ellis, Miller, and a veteran supporting cast, Alaska (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Alaska) (not to be confused with the state) was favored over the younger Talk 'N Text Phone Pals (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Talk+%27N+Text+Phone+Pals). But after routing their opponents in Game 1, the Aces faded. Alaska dropped Games 2 and 3 and managed to steal Game 4 with a late surge.


Now, in the crucial fifth game, they were playing their worst basketball of the postseason. The guards repeatedly chucked blind shots at the rim. The big men played like they had traded their high-tops for cement clogs. On defense, Ellis grew tired of watching Talk 'N Text guard Mac-Mac Cardona (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Mac-Mac+Cardona) blow past Alaska's flat-footed defenders, so Ellis waved off his teammates and manned up on Cardona himself, forcing the speedy guard to heave an impossible turnaround from 19 feet. But when the miss caromed off the rim, Ellis' teammates let an opposing forward grab the offensive rebound and score on a put-back.


Just before halftime, Talk 'N Text point guard Donbel Belano snagged a long rebound off a missed Alaska jumper, slalomed the length of the court through Alaska's indifferent defenders, pulled up at the top of the key, and rolled in a three-point shot that sent Alaska into the locker room trailing by nine points. With his best shot at a title slipping away due to his teammates' ongoing carelessness, Ellis was ready to express his anger with more than a facial expression.


With his teammates seated around him in the locker room, heads bowed, Ellis began talking about the game. "You got in the game for eight minutes, and you ain't do shit!" he screamed. "If I'm gonna be out there busting my ass, you best believe you better go out there and bust your ass. You ain't gonna ride me to death. Fuck that! I'm talking to everybody collectively now, but in a minute I'm starting to get personal."


Tim Cone (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Tim+Cone), Alaska's head coach, was also furious with the team, and thought Ellis' invectives were some kind of fiery pep talk. Cone tried to transition from Ellis' tirade into his own speech. He walked over to Ellis, patted him on the thigh, and said, "I got it now, Roe."


But rather than yielding to his coach, Ellis bolted to his feet, got in Cone's face, and screamed, "Fuck that! You ain't got shit!" Ellis then blamed the coaches for letting the team go soft. "You guys just stand there collecting a check," he said to his superiors. "What are you guys here for? You don't say nothing! When a guy comes out the game, tell him what he did wrong or tell him what he needs to do. Don't just be sitting there. That's what the goddamn fans are for."


"Fuck you, Roe!" Cone shot back, and from there, the two faced off in a foul-mouthed tête-à-tête as the other players and coaches watched in horror. Here were the two most important people on the team—the 6-foot-5-inch, 220-pound star player, a towering mass of muscle, a web of veins bulging in his forearms and neck as he clenched his fists; and Cone, the 5-foot-10-inch, middle-aged, mildly potbellied head coach—on the verge of attacking each other.


Beneath the surface of this ugly confrontation, you'll find the essence of Ellis' life in basketball: an incident of on-court violence in Ellis' past that nixed his NBA (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/National+Basketball+Association) chances; the pressure of being a hired gun abroad, tasked to play with strangers and accept a disproportionate amount of responsibility for a team's fortunes; the grief that accompanies missing out on his loved ones' lives in Seattle (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Seattle+SuperSonics); and the passion and professionalism Ellis brings to the game, which, despite his volatile temper, have earned him a reputation as one of the true gentlemen of international basketball.


Nine and a half years before his flare-up in Manila (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Manila), Ellis was a lightning-quick, 22-year-old swingman close to fulfilling the NBA potential he showed at Rainier Beach, where he was a 1993 McDonald's All-American. After finishing his college career at McNeese State University (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/McNeese+State+University) in Louisiana (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Louisiana), Ellis joined the Des Moines (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Des+Moines) (Iowa (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Iowa)) Dragons of the now-defunct International Basketball Association (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/International+Basketball+Association), and became the league's fifth-leading scorer.


1 2 (http://www.seattleweekly.com/2007-12-12/news/a-former-rainier-beach-star-was-exiled-to-the-wacky-world-of-filipino-basketball/2) 3 (http://www.seattleweekly.com/2007-12-12/news/a-former-rainier-beach-star-was-exiled-to-the-wacky-world-of-filipino-basketball/3) 4 (http://www.seattleweekly.com/2007-12-12/news/a-former-rainier-beach-star-was-exiled-to-the-wacky-world-of-filipino-basketball/4) 5 (http://www.seattleweekly.com/2007-12-12/news/a-former-rainier-beach-star-was-exiled-to-the-wacky-world-of-filipino-basketball/5) 6 (http://www.seattleweekly.com/2007-12-12/news/a-former-rainier-beach-star-was-exiled-to-the-wacky-world-of-filipino-basketball/6) 7 (http://www.seattleweekly.com/2007-12-12/news/a-former-rainier-beach-star-was-exiled-to-the-wacky-world-of-filipino-basketball/7) Next Page » (http://www.seattleweekly.com/2007-12-12/news/a-former-rainier-beach-star-was-exiled-to-the-wacky-world-of-filipino-basketball/2)

Cammomile
01-04-2010, 10:27 PM
I was shocked when I was surfing the net and stumbled on this article .... but I am not surprised as this how our Professional league really is. And it seems the rest of the basketball community outside our shores also knows it. That's the PBA .... You better read all the pages of the article.

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2007-12-12/news/a-former-rainier-beach-star-was-exiled-to-the-wacky-world-of-filipino-basketball/1

http://assets.seattleweekly.com/img/logo185x60.gif

A Former Rainier Beach Star Was Exiled to the Wacky World of Filipino Basketball

It might have been the best thing for him.

By Rafe Bartholomew (http://www.seattleweekly.com/authors/rafe-bartholomew/)

Published on December 11, 2007 at 10:17pm

Courtesy of the Alaska Aces
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/nardym/AcesEllis.jpg
Ellis’ behind-the-back dribble lands a rival defender on his ass.

With three minutes to play in the second quarter, Rosell Ellis (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Rosell+Ellis) has a look on his face that is two parts disbelief, three parts frustration, and a dash of homicidal wrath. It's late July 2007, and in Game 5 of the best-of-seven Philippine Basketball Association (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Philippine+Basketball+Association) Finals, Ellis, the 32-year-old former Washington (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Washington) state player of the year for Rainier Beach High School (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Rainier+Beach+High+School) and now import for the PBA's Alaska Aces (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Alaska+Aces), is taking his first breather of the night.


Fuming on the bench, Ellis has just watched Dale Singson (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Dale+Singson), one of his Filipino teammates, lunge into the lane like a doomed soldier leaping out of a trench. Three long-armed defenders were waiting for Singson, who bunny-hopped sideways and sent up a one-hander, which an opponent swatted into the crowd. Ellis' forehead wrinkled and his eyes bulged. Rocking back and forth and shaking his fists, he alternated between mouthing obscenities and chewing on his lower lip.


Before the PBA finals, Ellis seemed primed to win his first championship as an international player. Early in the series, he was named the PBA's best import, and his teammate, Willie Miller (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Willie+Miller), won the league's MVP award. With Ellis, Miller, and a veteran supporting cast, Alaska (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Alaska) (not to be confused with the state) was favored over the younger Talk 'N Text Phone Pals (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Talk+%27N+Text+Phone+Pals). But after routing their opponents in Game 1, the Aces faded. Alaska dropped Games 2 and 3 and managed to steal Game 4 with a late surge.


Now, in the crucial fifth game, they were playing their worst basketball of the postseason. The guards repeatedly chucked blind shots at the rim. The big men played like they had traded their high-tops for cement clogs. On defense, Ellis grew tired of watching Talk 'N Text guard Mac-Mac Cardona (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Mac-Mac+Cardona) blow past Alaska's flat-footed defenders, so Ellis waved off his teammates and manned up on Cardona himself, forcing the speedy guard to heave an impossible turnaround from 19 feet. But when the miss caromed off the rim, Ellis' teammates let an opposing forward grab the offensive rebound and score on a put-back.


Just before halftime, Talk 'N Text point guard Donbel Belano snagged a long rebound off a missed Alaska jumper, slalomed the length of the court through Alaska's indifferent defenders, pulled up at the top of the key, and rolled in a three-point shot that sent Alaska into the locker room trailing by nine points. With his best shot at a title slipping away due to his teammates' ongoing carelessness, Ellis was ready to express his anger with more than a facial expression.


With his teammates seated around him in the locker room, heads bowed, Ellis began talking about the game. "You got in the game for eight minutes, and you ain't do shit!" he screamed. "If I'm gonna be out there busting my ass, you best believe you better go out there and bust your ass. You ain't gonna ride me to death. Fuck that! I'm talking to everybody collectively now, but in a minute I'm starting to get personal."


Tim Cone (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Tim+Cone), Alaska's head coach, was also furious with the team, and thought Ellis' invectives were some kind of fiery pep talk. Cone tried to transition from Ellis' tirade into his own speech. He walked over to Ellis, patted him on the thigh, and said, "I got it now, Roe."


But rather than yielding to his coach, Ellis bolted to his feet, got in Cone's face, and screamed, "Fuck that! You ain't got shit!" Ellis then blamed the coaches for letting the team go soft. "You guys just stand there collecting a check," he said to his superiors. "What are you guys here for? You don't say nothing! When a guy comes out the game, tell him what he did wrong or tell him what he needs to do. Don't just be sitting there. That's what the goddamn fans are for."


"Fuck you, Roe!" Cone shot back, and from there, the two faced off in a foul-mouthed tête-à-tête as the other players and coaches watched in horror. Here were the two most important people on the team—the 6-foot-5-inch, 220-pound star player, a towering mass of muscle, a web of veins bulging in his forearms and neck as he clenched his fists; and Cone, the 5-foot-10-inch, middle-aged, mildly potbellied head coach—on the verge of attacking each other.


Beneath the surface of this ugly confrontation, you'll find the essence of Ellis' life in basketball: an incident of on-court violence in Ellis' past that nixed his NBA (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/National+Basketball+Association) chances; the pressure of being a hired gun abroad, tasked to play with strangers and accept a disproportionate amount of responsibility for a team's fortunes; the grief that accompanies missing out on his loved ones' lives in Seattle (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Seattle+SuperSonics); and the passion and professionalism Ellis brings to the game, which, despite his volatile temper, have earned him a reputation as one of the true gentlemen of international basketball.


Nine and a half years before his flare-up in Manila (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Manila), Ellis was a lightning-quick, 22-year-old swingman close to fulfilling the NBA potential he showed at Rainier Beach, where he was a 1993 McDonald's All-American. After finishing his college career at McNeese State University (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/McNeese+State+University) in Louisiana (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Louisiana), Ellis joined the Des Moines (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Des+Moines) (Iowa (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/Iowa)) Dragons of the now-defunct International Basketball Association (http://www.seattleweekly.com/related/to/International+Basketball+Association), and became the league's fifth-leading scorer.


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writer knows what he is seying...wow!

nardy
01-05-2010, 01:08 AM
writer knows what he is seying...wow!

Rafe Bartholomew is the author of the book on Philippine basketball, Pacific Rims.

randomguy
01-05-2010, 02:47 AM
word of the day.. OH YEAH!!!!

KevinDurant
01-05-2010, 01:47 PM
I have read that article last year:)

David must be smiling now. At least the Coke franchise wants to win. His efforts won't go down to waste.

Next scenario..Cabagnot traded to an SMC team, (most probably PF coz they need a pure PG) for some scrubs and CASH CONSIDERATIONS. Oh yeah, did I just say CASH CONSIDERATIONS??

capitantiago
01-05-2010, 02:53 PM
I have read that article last year:)

David must be smiling now. At least the Coke franchise wants to win. His efforts won't go down to waste.

Next scenario..Cabagnot traded to an SMC team, (most probably PF coz they need a pure PG) for some scrubs and CASH CONSIDERATIONS. Oh yeah, did I just say CASH CONSIDERATIONS??

Oh yeah, it could be SMB coz they want to establish a security guard agency. hahaha

six PGs are not enough for smb. hahaha

o could be Ginebra.
oh yeah.

Big Ticket
01-06-2010, 09:35 AM
paolo trillo sucks big time....for a guy who was born in the philippines and has lived through basketball all his life, he cannot even pronounce the surnames of the PBA players properly....for example, he calls chris pacana as "pakanya"...and ronnie matias as "matiyas"....pa-sosyal!

tiffac
01-06-2010, 11:06 AM
I guess he was just brought up to speak English as his first language and now has an accent when it comes to speaking Filipino names or something, just my guess... coz I know friends who grew up that way and has an accent when speaking tagalog.

Big Ticket
01-06-2010, 12:29 PM
I guess he was just brought up to speak English as his first language and now has an accent when it comes to speaking Filipino names or something, just my guess... coz I know friends who grew up that way and has an accent when speaking tagalog.

but you shouldn't really be mispronouncing player surnames....it's his responsibility to know it....how would you feel if your surname is always mispronounced? alex compton speaks better than him....

eindhow
01-06-2010, 04:35 PM
New courtside reporter: Jinno Rufino..:D

ankle breaker
01-06-2010, 06:12 PM
actually chris pacaña's last name is pronounced as "pakanya". that's how it is pronounced in cebu where he's from. it so happened that in the US they don't have spanish consonants such as "ñ" and "ll". that's why in the US, when they read or pronounce last names or words that bears those consonants they can't pronounce it properly. take for example, gerry peñalosa. it's always pronounced by US announcers as penalosa. the food paella, it's usually pronounced here as "paelya" but in the US it's paella.

pachot
01-07-2010, 02:57 PM
actually chris pacaña's last name is pronounced as "pakanya". that's how it is pronounced in cebu where he's from. it so happened that in the US they don't have spanish consonants such as "ñ" and "ll". that's why in the US, when they read or pronounce last names or words that bears those consonants they can't pronounce it properly. take for example, gerry peñalosa. it's always pronounced by US announcers as penalosa. the food paella, it's usually pronounced here as "paelya" but in the US it's paella.

Excuse me ... Chris Pacana's surname is and should be pronounced as PACANA (and NOT 'pakanya'). That's a major correction and one that courtside reporters like Paolo Trillo should know how to pronounce. I agree that it is the reporters' responsibility to train their tongues to pronounce surnames correctly.

Also, for the benefit of ankle breaker,, Pacana was born and raised in the US, although his grandfather was born in Cebu (but was raised in Misamis Oriental (Cagayan de Oro) and Misamis Occidental). In fact, there's a PACANA STREET in Cagayan de Oro ... that was named after Chris grand uncle.

For the record, the name is to be pronounced as CHRIS PACANA (NOT 'PAKANYA').

ankle breaker
01-07-2010, 05:05 PM
thanks for the info. however, some people who knew chris says they are related to the pacaña here in cebu. though they traces their roots in mindanao. i know pacana family are promiment in oroquieta city and the nearby cagayan de oro city. some of them are lawyers and politicians. the pacaña here in cebu are also lawyers and politicians.

Iron Monkey
01-08-2010, 06:09 AM
but you shouldn't really be mispronouncing player surnames....it's his responsibility to know it....how would you feel if your surname is always mispronounced? alex compton speaks better than him....

i agree... i remember one female courtside reporter interviewed GABE NORWOOD and SOL MERCADO and introduces them as GABE MERCADO... :D

pachot
01-08-2010, 10:44 AM
thanks for the info. however, some people who knew chris says they are related to the pacaña here in cebu. though they traces their roots in mindanao. i know pacana family are promiment in oroquieta city and the nearby cagayan de oro city. some of them are lawyers and politicians. the pacaña here in cebu are also lawyers and politicians.

Yes, it's true that the PACANAs are related to the pacaña's. But Chris' surname is PACANA. In fact, his paternal grandfather is a lawyer, with his paternal great grandfather having been the provincial treasurer. So, he should be referred to a CHRIS PACANA and not CHRIS Pacaña.

reamily
01-08-2010, 04:11 PM
I just read in some forums the arwind is being compared to kobe as Kelly as to lebron as for kelly its okay but for arwind WHAT the heck?

For God's sake:D

Alex07
01-08-2010, 04:23 PM
I just read in some forums the arwind is being compared to kobe as Kelly as to lebron as for kelly its okay but for arwind WHAT the heck?

For God's sake:D

The only comparison I see is...in international competition,Arwind like Kobe, should only play shooting guard while Kelly should only play the small forward position...though Lebron sometimes becomes a power forward in his USA team stints.

reamily
01-08-2010, 11:01 PM
The only comparison I see is...in international competition,Arwind like Kobe, should only play shooting guard while Kelly should only play the small forward position...though Lebron sometimes becomes a power forward in his USA team stints.

Heck Arwind can't shoot all he do is to earned stats a small forward way:D:D

Yes they have similarities they are both volume shooters but different or I say Kobe way above efficient or should I say Arwing is not efficient enough to be shooter arwind is great but the shooting is not his forte getting rebounds and energy is his best things to offer

durden_tyler
01-10-2010, 06:03 AM
Games today:
http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/RainOrShine.gif vs. http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/Purefoods.gif

http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/RedBull.gif vs. http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/TalkNText.gif

Pretty much a do-or-die tiff for the Barakos... They need to win now because that would be a very tough 2-game lead for the Coca Cola Tigers should they lose this one... For the first game, Rain or Shine is pretty much in the wildcard now but PF needs to win this one if they want an automatic quarters slot (and same goes for TNT)

thayil
01-10-2010, 06:21 AM
Games today:
http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/RainOrShine.gif vs. http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/Purefoods.gif

http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/RedBull.gif vs. http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/TalkNText.gif

Pretty much a do-or-die tiff for the Barakos... They need to win now because that would be a very tough 2-game lead for the Coca Cola Tigers should they lose this one... For the first game, Rain or Shine is pretty much in the wildcard now but PF needs to win this one if they want an automatic quarters slot (and same goes for TNT)

sir durden. Araneta or Cuneta Astrodome? thanks

durden_tyler
01-10-2010, 06:31 AM
sir durden. Araneta or Cuneta Astrodome? thanks

It's at the Araneta Coliseum sir.

Big Ticket
01-10-2010, 06:43 AM
I just read in some forums the arwind is being compared to kobe as Kelly as to lebron as for kelly its okay but for arwind WHAT the heck?

For God's sake:D

just like people comparing players in their barangay league to PBA and NBA players....what's your problem with that?

Alex07
01-10-2010, 07:06 AM
Heck Arwind can't shoot all he do is to earned stats a small forward way:D:D

Yes they have similarities they are both volume shooters but different or I say Kobe way above efficient or should I say Arwing is not efficient enough to be shooter arwind is great but the shooting is not his forte getting rebounds and energy is his best things to offer

attributes wise,forget it

durden_tyler
01-10-2010, 07:10 AM
just like people comparing players in their barangay league to PBA and NBA players....what's your problem with that?

i play like Steve Nash without the three point shooting and lay-ups. And double the turnovers too. Anyone got a problem with that too? :D

(Relax, Big Ticket, serious people take these comparisons too seriously ;) )

reamily
01-10-2010, 07:37 AM
Okay I give up on this:D:D:D

Cammomile
01-10-2010, 10:25 AM
i play like Steve Nash without the three point shooting and lay-ups. And double the turnovers too. Anyone got a problem with that too? :D

(Relax, Big Ticket, serious people take these comparisons too seriously ;) )



Well i PLay like Manny pAcquiao..4 real!!! eheheh

Sakamoto
01-10-2010, 02:09 PM
A nice game by Chad alonzo and leo najorda as barako bull defeated TNT via 99-97.

Big Ticket
01-10-2010, 02:12 PM
tough miss for harvey carey in the endgame, the league leader in FG%....

tiffac
01-11-2010, 11:16 AM
Well i PLay like Manny pAcquiao..4 real!!! eheheh

As a boxer or as a womanizer, I just want to be clear here. lolz!!! :D;)

nardy
01-12-2010, 04:19 PM
Dela Cruz to file raps vs Fil-Ams for assault
By Nelson Beltran (http://www.philstar.com/ArticleListByAuthorName.aspx?AuthorName=Nelson+Bel tran) (The Philippine Star) Updated January 13, 2010 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Barangay Ginebra assistant coach Arthur dela Cruz will file charges against two Filipino-Americans who dealt him injuries during a traffic altercation along South Luzon Expressway early Sunday morning.
Ginebra top official Robert Non said they’re extending Dela Cruz all necessary support in his legal battle with alleged attackers Orquia Joeffrey Lacuesta and Tristan Bael.

Dela Cruz is to undergo surgery to repair dislocated bones in his left hand suffered in the attack. He also sustained bruises in his body.

“Art is injured and can’t attend the team’s practices because of his injuries. He’s consulted lawyers as he’s determined to file charges against the suspects. San Miguel is extending Art all the necessary assistance,” said Non.

PBA media bureau chief Willie Marcial said they will look into the incident that took place a few hours after the Ginebra-Alaska road game in Batangas City Saturday night.

The Kings were on board the team bus on the way back to Manila when the incident happened.

A police report said it was a traffic misunderstanding with the Fil-Ams, on board a Ford Lynx, thinking the Ginebra bus forcibly cut its way into their lane.

The car then chased the bus then blocked its path before the C-5 toll gate.

Dela Cruz tried to prevent the suspects from attacking the bus driver Likong Leutemio Olami, but he was the one attacked instead.

“Art talked to the Fil-Ams. He thought everything was okay. It caught him by surprise when the suspects pulled him down from the bus,” said Non.
“Good thing the players were asleep, or it could have created a bigger trouble,” Non said.

Reports said the suspects appeared to have been pacified as they headed back to their car but instead returned with a skateboard which they allegedly use to smash the bus door.

The police said the suspects were “seemed to be under the influence of liquor.”

shaider
01-12-2010, 04:24 PM
has anyone got any info on how tall these fil-ams are? if they stand 6'7 up then maybe we can invite them to join smart gilas.:D:D:D

nardy
01-12-2010, 04:35 PM
has anyone got any info on how tall these fil-ams are? if they stand 6'7 up then maybe we can invite them to join smart gilas.:D:D:D

this too much .... not because you are tall and with Filipino blood you already merit an auto invite to the National Team ..... Personally, I would not like drunk thugs in our National Team. Being part of the National Team is a serious matter as the players not only represents the Philippines but all Filipinos all over the world, their actions in and out of the playing court affects the image of our country and race to everybody.

Coke_Hero
01-12-2010, 04:54 PM
if it was just a single guy, I think Art dela Cruz could've taken that guy out in a snap

ankle breaker
01-12-2010, 05:05 PM
the fil-ams involve are not basketball players. they are pathetic people who seem to think they are above on everybody because of their stature as fil-ams. poor guys, they don't know what they are doing. pure product of colonial mentality.

ogre
01-12-2010, 05:08 PM
if it was just a single guy, I think Art dela Cruz could've taken that guy out in a snap

I think being a team official, he obviously tried to restrain himself, doesn't want any trouble that may cause negative image and distraction to the team.

Those Fil-Ams thought the bus would yield, such as the case in driving in the US where incoming on-ramp vehicles are generally given courtesy. But of course they should have been also aware of their DUI violations.

c_d
01-12-2010, 05:18 PM
the fil-ams involve are not basketball players. they are pathetic people who seem to think they are above on everybody because of their stature as fil-ams. poor guys, they don't know what they are doing. pure product of colonial mentality.

reminds me of a post I read in another thread

Alex07
01-12-2010, 05:23 PM
has anyone got any info on how tall these fil-ams are? if they stand 6'7 up then maybe we can invite them to join smart gilas.:D:D:D

I saw the Fil-Ams in the news..I think even Bentong would win on a jump ball situation

The_Big_Cat
01-13-2010, 02:42 AM
Former PBA player Rudy Distrito is back in the country early this morning. Also known as the Destroyer, Distrito was granted parole after being sentenced from 4 to 15 years in 2005 for voluntary manslaughter of his former live-in partner's husband.

bognut
01-13-2010, 06:53 AM
“Good thing the players were asleep, or it could have created a bigger trouble,” Non said

they smashed the door right? had a fight with art? maybe some shouting goin on? the players were still asleep? :o

must have been a tiring game then...

donno
01-13-2010, 07:07 AM
according to the reports today, the two "midget" Fil-Ams are relatives to a government official. that's why they acted like they own the whole country. thugs!

they're quite lucky as the players didn't beat up their "midget" [rear].:D

neo
01-13-2010, 07:10 AM
Former PBA player Rudy Distrito is back in the country early this morning. Also known as the Destroyer, Distrito was granted parole after being sentenced from 4 to 15 years in 2005 for voluntary manslaughter of his former live-in partner's husband.

this should be in the "former pba players where are they now" thread.

nice info though.

saints13
01-13-2010, 07:32 AM
according to the reports today, the two "midget" Fil-Ams are relatives to a government official. that's why they acted like they own the whole country. thugs!

they're quite lucky as the players didn't beat up their "midget" [rear].:D

is the government official also a MidgeT? :) if yes, I already have a guess...hehehe

donno
01-13-2010, 09:33 AM
is the government official also a MidgeT? :) if yes, I already have a guess...hehehe

hehehe! i know who is that midget you're talking about.:)

anyway, in the PBA forum, the Ginebra panatikos are already putting the Fil-Am's car plate number on their wanted list. i guess these thugs must hire a private army right now to protect themselves from them.:D they pick a wrong team to beat up.

Sakamoto
01-13-2010, 09:38 AM
what did the ginebra players do?nothing?they let dela cruz fixed the 2 filams?

kaiziken_pinas
01-13-2010, 10:07 AM
what did the ginebra players do?nothing?they let dela cruz fixed the 2 filams?

the players were asleep. They had a tough game against Alaska back then.

If they weren't.... I could only imagine Enrico Villanueva and Menk living up to their nicknames (The Bull and Major Pain respectively). LOL:D

Those Fil-ams would get killed.

anyway, they picked a wrong team to mess with. hahaha the one with the most fans.

nardy
01-13-2010, 10:59 AM
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/nardym/pagenotfound.jpg

Beermen hope to stay in game shape against ABL teams

01/13/2010 | 03:48 PM

San Miguel coach Siot Tanquincen and his Beermen are facing a new challenge after securing the first semifinals berth in the KFC-PBA Philippine Cup that is how to stay in game shape.

The Beermen, which will play their final elimination round game on Jan. 16, will be idle for more than a month and will next take the court sometime in February.

http://www8.gmanews.tv/webpics/sports/PBA_Finals_SMB3.jpg

Tanquingcen wants an immediate solution where he sees the only solution is to play against teams from the ASEAN Basketball League (ABL). He said that he plans to seek the PBA commissioner’s office to allow them to play tune-up matches against ABL squads.

"Maybe we should play against (ABL teams)," said Tanquingcen, who has brought the Beermen a step closer to an ambitious second straight title. “We have to request the PBA to allow us play teams outside of the PBA para naman hindi kami mabakante (so we won't be idle)."

"I know hindi naman bawal (it's not forbidden) because we’re not joining a pocket tournament or a side event. But we have to ask permission, para hindi na rin magka-problema (so we don't encounter any problems). This is the downside of getting the best reward, which is the automatic semis," added Tanquincen.

The ABL is a newly-formed league among teams in the Southeast Asian region, including the Louie Alas-coached Philippine Patriots.

Tanquincen said playing against ABL teams, which have their own imports, will keep his team in its true form.

But while the long lull might affect the Beermen’s tremendous peaking, it would also be a blessing in disguise for Tanquingcen as he will have enough time to rest the injuries of Danny Seigle and Dorian Pena, two veteran players who were instrumental in giving the team numerous titles.

"I will be needing them, no doubt, especially in the semis," said Tanquingcen.

Big Ticket
01-13-2010, 11:44 AM
chris ross finally unleashed today....had a nice passing game...10 assists i think though he still can't shoot....

Sakamoto
01-13-2010, 12:46 PM
nice game by coke, Taulava,Rizada,Ross,Rodriguez,Gonzales played well.

tiffac
01-13-2010, 06:06 PM
I could not believe the bad call by the refs, calling an offensive foul on Yeo when it was clearly an and one, since the Alaska defender jumped in the air trying to stop Yeo on the break but the refs called an offensive foul! Unbelievable!

To make it worse, I think the commentator(s) was Andy Jao and I forgot his partner's name, did not even question the bad call. I could not believe what I saw from the refs and what I did not hear from the commentators of the game.

Granted Alaska was leading under a minute but if that became a 3pt play then it could have made the game more interesting but the refs ended up deciding it for everyone, I hate it when they do that.

Cryotek
01-14-2010, 08:40 AM
I could not believe the bad call by the refs, calling an offensive foul on Yeo when it was clearly an and one, since the Alaska defender jumped in the air trying to stop Yeo on the break but the refs called an offensive foul! Unbelievable!

To make it worse, I think the commentator(s) was Andy Jao and I forgot his partner's name, did not even question the bad call. I could not believe what I saw from the refs and what I did not hear from the commentators of the game.

Granted Alaska was leading under a minute but if that became a 3pt play then it could have made the game more interesting but the refs ended up deciding it for everyone, I hate it when they do that.

That's breaks of the game...

Areved
01-14-2010, 11:03 AM
haha! one can always attribute bad calls as breaks of the game.. :D

i have witnessed this so called "breaks of the game" many times, especially the obvious ones.. lol


it's just funny when people see it like that especially the obvious ones.. :D

nardy
01-14-2010, 03:52 PM
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/nardym/pagenotfound.jpg

Distrito's 'victims' Lim, Cariaso happy for ex cager

01/14/2010 | 11:10 PM

Jeffrey Cariaso and Frankie Lim, two players who had run ins with Rudy Distrito in the past, were happy to learn that the man called as “The Destroyer" is slowly getting his life back.

Distrito, who was sentenced to jail in March 2007, was freed and went back to the country Wednesday. He was escorted by US Marshalls and went home quickly to his native town in Bacolod.

“I’m happy that he’s in the country now and wants to start a new life," Cariaso told GMANews.TV. “He should cherish it."

Cariaso, then a young and promising player, was a recipient of a clothes-line tackle by Distrito during the game between Alaska and Swift more than 15 years ago.

That cost the career of the bruising cager, who earned the reputation as one of Philippine Basketball Association’s (PBA) most feared enforcer, as he was banned from playing in the professional league.

The Games and Amusement Board also revoked the license of Distrito, who started his career as a member of the fabled Crispa Redmanizers but became popular when he was taken in by crowd-darling Ginebra San Miguel of playing coach Robert Jaworski.

But has Cariaso already forgiven Distrito?

For Cariaso, who is now on the twilight of his career with the Aces, there’s nothing to forgive. “All things that happened in basketball should stay inside the court."

“Maybe, it’s just one way of intimidation for him every time he plays. We don’t know what happened in the United States, but I do believe he’s a good guy outside of the court," said Cariaso.

“Besides, the penalty he suffered when he was banned from playing is more than enough."

Lim, then playing for Coney Island in 1993, also had on-court encounter with Distrito. But just like Cariaso, the former Talk ‘N Text team manager and now the newly-appointed Smart Gilas manager, believes the issue should not be taken personal.

“That’s basketball. Sometimes you’ll see some rough moments and sometimes emotions get high, but I don’t think it should be taken personal against Rudy. Balewala na yun pag nasa labas ng (That’s a non-issue outside the) court," said Lim. “Maybe kapag nagkita kami (if we meet), I would have hugged him or shake his hands. I’m happy for him that he’s back in the Philippines and wants to be involved in basketball again."

Cariaso said he looks forward of meeting Distrito. “I want to greet him and wish him the best."

tiffac
01-14-2010, 04:12 PM
That's breaks of the game...

Its not an excuse anymore coz its becoming common, I mean the PBA changed the refs to improve the quality of the games didn't they? But it seems doing the opposite.

Also the announcers had no excuse not saying anything about that bad call, in the NBA they would probably be debating it but the PBA announcers said NOTHING. They are there to analyze the plays, good and bad not keeping silent...

Now that is worse than pronouncing the names of players wrong.

reamily
01-16-2010, 01:49 AM
chris ross finally unleashed today....had a nice passing game...10 assists i think though he still can't shoot....

hehe better scoring this time around (18 pts), like always say in bball even you can do great in a lot of things for a guard the most important thing for a guard is to shoot the ball:D


But there is one thing bad about pba nowadays average fans think of their idols as stars(plays like nba stars) that sometimes they comparisons are sometimes crosses the borderline as really expecting a player who plays like someone who the players really cannot(primary example Jayjay helterbrand case:D)

kaiziken_pinas
01-19-2010, 03:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSX2VsWSGB4

how do you guys EMBED VIDS?

premier
01-19-2010, 03:46 AM
chris ross finally unleashed today....had a nice passing game...10 assists i think though he still can't shoot....

will he have a jumpshot? because he is still onedimensional.

PUGOtipm
01-19-2010, 11:23 AM
source: Nelson Beltran | philstar.com

San Miguel Beer, keen on clinching the playoffs top seeding and giving sister team Purefoods a boost for an outright entry into the quarterfinals of the KFC PBA Philippine Cup, placed under protest the result of its game against Talk n Text in Zamboanga Saturday.

The SMB management wants a reversal of the outcome of the game, insisting Talk n Text should have automatically lost the game by forfeiture.

The Tropang Texters closed out their stint in the double-round eliminations with an 11-7 win-loss card as they edged the Beermen, 93-91, on a gutsy drive by Jimmy Alapag in the closing seconds of the out-of-towngame.

The Beermen, however, stressed the Texters should have lost the game by forfeiture as they reported to the playing court with the proper playing uniform almost an hour behind the 5 p.m. schedule.

The opening tip-off was made at 6 p.m.

PBA commissioner Sonny Barrios received SMB’s protest letter yesterday and met with key staff members but deferred making a decision on the protest.

The Texters learned that they had left their assigned light color uniforms in Manila. They arrived at the playing venue close to 6 p.m.

Apparently, the PBA couldn’t declare San Miguel the winner right away as a crowd of over 10,000 came to watch the game.

If San Miguel’s protest is upheld, Talk n Text would instead finish at 10-8, in danger of missing the Top Five.

At the moment, San Miguel (13-5) is assured of an outright semis berth, Alaska (12-4) is guaranteed of a playoff for the second semis spot while Ginebra (12-6) has a lock on a quarterfinal seat.

Purefoods (11-6), Sta. Lucia (10-7) and Talk n Text are disputing the last two outright seats in the quarters.

durden_tyler
01-19-2010, 12:33 PM
source: Nelson Beltran | philstar.com

San Miguel Beer, keen on clinching the playoffs top seeding and giving sister team Purefoods a boost for an outright entry into the quarterfinals of the KFC PBA Philippine Cup, placed under protest the result of its game against Talk n Text in Zamboanga Saturday.

The SMB management wants a reversal of the outcome of the game, insisting Talk n Text should have automatically lost the game by forfeiture.

The Tropang Texters closed out their stint in the double-round eliminations with an 11-7 win-loss card as they edged the Beermen, 93-91, on a gutsy drive by Jimmy Alapag in the closing seconds of the out-of-towngame.

The Beermen, however, stressed the Texters should have lost the game by forfeiture as they reported to the playing court with the proper playing uniform almost an hour behind the 5 p.m. schedule.

The opening tip-off was made at 6 p.m.

PBA commissioner Sonny Barrios received SMB’s protest letter yesterday and met with key staff members but deferred making a decision on the protest.

The Texters learned that they had left their assigned light color uniforms in Manila. They arrived at the playing venue close to 6 p.m.

Apparently, the PBA couldn’t declare San Miguel the winner right away as a crowd of over 10,000 came to watch the game.

If San Miguel’s protest is upheld, Talk n Text would instead finish at 10-8, in danger of missing the Top Five.

At the moment, San Miguel (13-5) is assured of an outright semis berth, Alaska (12-4) is guaranteed of a playoff for the second semis spot while Ginebra (12-6) has a lock on a quarterfinal seat.

Purefoods (11-6), Sta. Lucia (10-7) and Talk n Text are disputing the last two outright seats in the quarters.

Wow that's a big development. If the protest is upheld and the league give the W to the Beermen, it's a big blow to TNT's campaign. i really can't say if i favor SMB's move--- then again, if a technicality results in a W (and certainly this is for PF rather than SMB itself) they are not at fault rather TNT and their management. On the flipside, it was a hard-fought ballgame, i hope they pull out the protest and just let things be. Anyway... Big Wednesday for a one team...

http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/RedBull.gif takes on http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/Coke.gif with the former hoping to extend their season with a victory here. But, they still hope Rain or Shine drops their first game for a playoff for the last wildcard spot.

Meanwhile, in the second game http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/Alaska.gif aims to finally take the other semis seat versus the struggling http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/BurgerKing.gif team. Alaska looks to avoid any complications which should happen if they manage to lose their last two games as they will be tied with Ginebra or even with Purefoods.

rikhardur
01-19-2010, 04:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSX2VsWSGB4

how do you guys EMBED VIDS?
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kaiziken_pinas
01-20-2010, 04:06 AM
[ youtube ] url code after v= [/youtube] (remove any spaces)

thanks very much sir

Big Ticket
01-20-2010, 04:33 AM
will he have a jumpshot? because he is still onedimensional.

in time probably....olsen racela did not have a jumper when he entered the league...

bone24_corleone
01-20-2010, 10:27 AM
Ross will be a great player soon. he has a very good pg sklills, inevitable defense and has the ability to lead the team.

PUGOtipm
01-20-2010, 03:16 PM
Asi Taulava hit a turn-around jumper with 1.8 seconds left, lifting Coca-Cola to a tense 91-89 win over Barako Bull and finally eliminating the Energy Boosters from the KFC-PBA Philippine Cup Wednesday at the Cuneta Astrodome.

“The Rock" made the shot against Alex Crisano just below the free-throw line, sinking the attempt he doesn’t usually make as the Tigers overcame the loss of a 20-point lead to complete their 18-game elimination round campaign with a 6-12 (win-loss) record.

Coca-Cola will thus face Burger King in the knockout stage wild card. The Whopper were still playing as of posting time, trying to foil Alaska’s bid to claim the second outright semi-finals berth.

The win also aided Rain or Shine, which is now assured of advancing to the wild card even if it loses its final elimination round match against the Aces on Friday.

“Watch out for the Tigers, we’re on the prowl," said Taulava after the game.

He finished with another double-double of 20 points and 11 rebounds.

Once again, Barako Bull has failed to make the playoffs. This is the third time that the Boosters have not advanced past the preliminary stage.

Still, it was a performance that merited respect.

Teams of lesser stuff would already have flamed out after Coca-Cola built a 74-54 lead early in the final period.

The Tigers erected that seemingly insurmountable spread after seizing control with a rare 17-0 blast bridging the second and third quarters that erased a 39-33 deficit and established a 50-39 advantage for them.

The Tigers were still ahead, 87-75, but the Energy Boosters came ferociously back with a 14-0 assault, tying it for the last time at 89 after Aries Dimaunahan hit a triple with 5 seconds to go.

The Tigers then sued for time to map out the final offensive play. Taulava received the inbounds pass, dribbled once before turning around for the game-winner.

Crisano matched his career-high of 19 points to lead the Energy Boosters.

The scores

Coca-Cola 91 - Taulava 20, David 16, Rodriguez 15, Rizada 11, Macapagal 10, Gonzales 7, Ross 6, Espino 4, Calimag 2, Bono 0, Cruz 0, Enrile 0.

Barako Bull 89 - Crisano 19, Aljamal 14, Dimaunahan 14, Duncil 12, Najorda 9, Alonzo 8, Hubalde 4, Belano 3, Menor 2, Fernandez 2, Reyes 2, Faundo 0.

Quarterscores: 21-23, 44-39, 70-54, 91-89.

premier
01-21-2010, 04:33 AM
Whats the sched and format for the wild card?

ogre
01-21-2010, 06:03 AM
Reyes slams ex-team for protesting TNT’s win
1/20/2010 | PBA, Smart Gilas | 21 comments »

source: gmanews.tv

Talk ‘N Text coach Chot Reyes slammed his former team San Miguel Beer for filing a protest seeking to forfeit the Tropang Texters’ win, saying the move is meant to benefit the Beermen’s sister teams in the race for the next round of the PBA Philippine Cup.

TNT beat SMB in a road game in Zamboanga last Saturday, 93-91, but the Beermen placed it under protest, claiming there was a delay on the match and that the Texters brought a wrong set of uniform.

The PBA’s technical committee met on Tuesday to discuss the protest and according to Media Bureau Chief Willie Marcial, Commissioner Sonny Barrios is expected to make a decision on Wednesday.

For Reyes, San Miguel’s main motive in seeking to forfeit TNT’s win is to give Barangay Ginebra and Purefoods a trouble-free ride either to an automatic semis seat or the quarterfinals.

“It’s clear that they’re not doing it for themselves but their sister teams," said Reyes.

The Beermen had already secured the first automatic semis seat as early as last week. Their sister teams – Barangay Ginebra and Purefoods – are still very much in the running both for the last automatic semis seat and the quarterfinals.

Finishing their elims campaign with a 13-5 record, the Beermen will take a long break as other teams have to play in the remaining schedule of the elimination round and the league’s next phase – the wildcard.

After that, the Beermen will still await the survivors of the wildcard and the quarterfinals series.

Ginebra, which finished with a 12-6 card, and Purefoods, which has 11 wins and two more games left in its schedule, are still on the thick of the fight to possibly join the Beermen in the Final Four outright.

Talk ‘N Text finished with an 11-7 record and is battling for a seat to the quarterfinals.

The Giants will play Sta. Lucia Realty (10-6) on Friday at the Ynares Center in Antipolo City.

A win by the Realtors will create a three-way tie among Purefoods, Talk ‘N Text and the Realtors, but the Tropang Texters will advance to the quarterfinals due to a superior quotient over the two teams.

Reyes considered the Beermen’s reasons for trying to strip away their win as a “lame excuse," especially after the Tropang Texters clearly won in front of thousands of Zamboangueños.

“It will be a travesty if the protest is upheld," Reyes said.

DeportGrahamLimMovement
01-21-2010, 08:34 AM
Reyes slams ex-team for protesting TNT’s win
1/20/2010 | PBA, Smart Gilas | 21 comments »

source: gmanews.tv

Talk ‘N Text coach Chot Reyes slammed his former team San Miguel Beer for filing a protest seeking to forfeit the Tropang Texters’ win, saying the move is meant to benefit the Beermen’s sister teams in the race for the next round of the PBA Philippine Cup.

TNT beat SMB in a road game in Zamboanga last Saturday, 93-91, but the Beermen placed it under protest, claiming there was a delay on the match and that the Texters brought a wrong set of uniform.

The PBA’s technical committee met on Tuesday to discuss the protest and according to Media Bureau Chief Willie Marcial, Commissioner Sonny Barrios is expected to make a decision on Wednesday.

For Reyes, San Miguel’s main motive in seeking to forfeit TNT’s win is to give Barangay Ginebra and Purefoods a trouble-free ride either to an automatic semis seat or the quarterfinals.

“It’s clear that they’re not doing it for themselves but their sister teams," said Reyes.

The Beermen had already secured the first automatic semis seat as early as last week. Their sister teams – Barangay Ginebra and Purefoods – are still very much in the running both for the last automatic semis seat and the quarterfinals.

Finishing their elims campaign with a 13-5 record, the Beermen will take a long break as other teams have to play in the remaining schedule of the elimination round and the league’s next phase – the wildcard.

After that, the Beermen will still await the survivors of the wildcard and the quarterfinals series.

Ginebra, which finished with a 12-6 card, and Purefoods, which has 11 wins and two more games left in its schedule, are still on the thick of the fight to possibly join the Beermen in the Final Four outright.

Talk ‘N Text finished with an 11-7 record and is battling for a seat to the quarterfinals.

The Giants will play Sta. Lucia Realty (10-6) on Friday at the Ynares Center in Antipolo City.

A win by the Realtors will create a three-way tie among Purefoods, Talk ‘N Text and the Realtors, but the Tropang Texters will advance to the quarterfinals due to a superior quotient over the two teams.

Reyes considered the Beermen’s reasons for trying to strip away their win as a “lame excuse," especially after the Tropang Texters clearly won in front of thousands of Zamboangueños.

“It will be a travesty if the protest is upheld," Reyes said.

This is great. Shaping up to be another San Miguel Corporation Intercolor Championship? Guess how many games will it take to win in the finals?

capitantiago
01-21-2010, 10:36 AM
A rule is a rule is a rule no matter how you look at it.

durden_tyler
01-21-2010, 01:32 PM
This is great. Shaping up to be another San Miguel Corporation Intercolor Championship? Guess how many games will it take to win in the finals?

Cool. Conspiracy theories.

i agree with 'tiago here; a rule is a rule. It's not SMB's fault that they brought the uniform. It's not the fault of the TNT coaches or TNT players but the TNT management.

But i reiterate SMB could have taken the high road and just let it be, but hey anything that helps a "sister" team is good, right?

tiffac
01-21-2010, 01:33 PM
A rule is a rule is a rule no matter how you look at it.

Hmm... well lets put it this way (not putting the PF equation in the mix) and just the top spot battle of SMB and Alaska...

I mean what is the difference between the 1st and 2nd spot in the PBA? Nothing much really. The teams of the top 2 will be would probably be facing the top tier teams of the previous round anyways, I say leave it and just concentrate in the next round.

The commish was okay with the delay during game time anyways. So he's like head honcho and that's in the rules too. LOLZ! :D

durden_tyler
01-21-2010, 01:51 PM
The commish was okay with the delay during game time anyways. So he's like head honcho and that's in the rules too. LOLZ!

Now now now, let's put things in perspective here. The stadium was jampacked and the fans were expectant of a good hardcourt action between two competitive teams. The commissioner could have decided there and then to award the game to SMB by default (rules are rules) but because "of the fans" they decided to push through with the game. Now now now, did TNT know the repercussions of their stupidity (wrong uniform!)? i am pretty sure they did and they knew the game could be put under protest. Why did they play anyway? Oh yeah, for the fans too. They agreed to play (and obviously, played their hearts out) and they won it but they KNEW that a protest COULD be coming. Now, here's the protest and a decision is coming. Rules are rules.

tiffac
01-21-2010, 02:04 PM
It would just be bad rep if they overturn TNT's win. Yeah its the rules but SMB really has nothing to gain or lose and is doing this for PF sake, let PF win their own games. Prove to the detractors the PBA ain't an SMB league. That's just my opinion.

We'll hear about a decision probably either before or after the games tomorrow, when the standings is finally finalize.

durden_tyler
01-21-2010, 02:16 PM
It would just be bad rep if they overturn TNT's win. Yeah its the rules but SMB really has nothing to gain or lose and is doing this for PF sake, let PF win their own games. Prove to the detractors the PBA ain't an SMB league. That's just my opinion.

We'll hear about a decision probably either before or after the games tomorrow, when the standings is finally finalize.

Bad rep how? Because they followed the rules?

What about blaming the whole brouhaha on the team which forgot which uniform to wear?

Areved
01-21-2010, 02:41 PM
based on the report posted here, it says that TNT left their "assigned light colored uniform".. does it mean TNT brought the wrong color of uniform? otherwise they would not emphasize on the "light color"..

so if that is the case, they could have started the game on time. is it stated on the rules that one team should wear light and the other as dark? also, anyone know exactly which rule is the SMB protesting?

Big Ticket
01-21-2010, 02:49 PM
so if that is the case, they could have started the game on time. is it stated on the rules that one team should wear light and the other as dark? also, anyone know exactly which rule is the SMB protesting?

yes, its in the rule that one should wear light colored uniform and the other dark colored...

Areved
01-21-2010, 03:28 PM
oh i see.. that would be hitting two birds in one stone for SMB.. a win + a boost for their sister team.. i wonder if there would still be a protest if SMB won that game.. :D

it's really hard to decide on this one.. but for me, SMB decided to continue the game knowing that their opponent already violated a rule so it only means that they have given their consent and approved of the game being late.. they could have forfeited the game that time but decided not so what happened to the "rules are rules"? those waiting fans should not be an excuse if they really want to play by the rules.. if the game should be forfeited, they should have done it right before the game but they didn't. if they forfeit it now, i don't know what to say.. :D

DeportGrahamLimMovement
01-21-2010, 05:09 PM
Now now now, let's put things in perspective here. The stadium was jampacked and the fans were expectant of a good hardcourt action between two competitive teams. The commissioner could have decided there and then to award the game to SMB by default (rules are rules) but because "of the fans" they decided to push through with the game. Now now now, did TNT know the repercussions of their stupidity (wrong uniform!)? i am pretty sure they did and they knew the game could be put under protest. Why did they play anyway? Oh yeah, for the fans too. They agreed to play (and obviously, played their hearts out) and they won it but they KNEW that a protest COULD be coming. Now, here's the protest and a decision is coming. Rules are rules.

Favorite word - perspective, objective. Here we go now... I hope Mr. Uto uto pba fans is reading this. You're saying that the PBA decided to forego with the decision because the game wouldn't look exciting for the fans? This is about rules and the Commissioner should have decided right then and there that SMB won by default, and then both teams showing concern to the fans should have played an exhibition match instead.

It would be foolish for the PBA to rule in favor of SMB. As a fan I would "accept" watching a no-bearing game I knew beforehand than being swindled by announcing that it has no bearing long after the game is over, after I lost my voice shouting and cheering for my team for nothing.

Grabe. Na swindle nyo ang buong Zamboanga.

durden_tyler
01-21-2010, 05:29 PM
Favorite word - perspective, objective. Here we go now... I hope Mr. Uto uto pba fans is reading this. You're saying that the PBA decided to forego with the decision because the game wouldn't look exciting for the fans? This is about rules and the Commissioner should have decided right then and there that SMB won by default, and then both teams showing concern to the fans should have played an exhibition match instead.

It would be foolish for the PBA to rule in favor of SMB. As a fan I would "accept" watching a no-bearing game I knew beforehand than being swindled by announcing that it has no bearing long after the game is over, after I lost my voice shouting and cheering for my team for nothing.

Grabe. Na swindle nyo ang buong Zamboanga.

But what was there for the commissioner to decide there and then if there was no protest yet? You see, SMB had the option to protest there or protest later. The latter happened, TNT had hoped SMB wouldn't protest (As one said, if SMB one this protest would never have happened.)

durden_tyler
01-21-2010, 05:32 PM
And then the latest:


Meanwhile, Talk ‘N Text’s victory over San Miguel last Saturday in Zamboanga was upheld by members of the board, who reached an amicable settlement of the protest filed by San Miguel management last Monday.

The Office of the Commissioner instead fined the defending champion Tropang Texters P50,000 for going to the venue with the wrong set of uniforms, thus delaying the start of the game by one hour.

Good decision by the commissioner. You see, as much as people hate the board or Barrios, people do jump to conclusions on a lot of matters.

Areved
01-21-2010, 05:43 PM
a fair decision.. games should really and only be won on the playing court..

Big Ticket
01-22-2010, 12:00 AM
a fair decision.. games should really and only be won on the playing court..

right, csb blazers?

capitantiago
01-22-2010, 08:07 AM
The Solomonic decision would have been a rematch.

A few years ago, Alapag and Menk both had monster games in the BGK-TNT game. Noli ordered for a rematch and threw off the stats of that game.

Two decades ago, Shell protested the win of Purefoods over a supposed last-second shot of Richard Hollins. Shell prevailed in their protest. Kume Rudy Salud or Rey Marquez ordered a rematch. Shell won.

There was also a similar incident in the early years of the PBA. Prieto stuck to the rules. He penalized Presto and gave the win to their opponent. But they played the game anyway; it was reduced into just an exhibition game.

It says here that the Commissioner won't give a damn on precedents. He will make his ruling based on his or somebody else's whims and caprices.

Many have argued that Purefoods will benefit from a forfeiture or win by default by SMB but no one have stated that SLR will also stand to benefit.

But then again, a rule is a rule is a rule.

For stupidity by the TNT management, they will only be fined by just P50,000, which is peanuts.

And before we all forget, ignorance of the law excuses no one from compliance therewith. It says here that the commissioner is ignorant of the rules of his organization. And that is too bad for a struggling league like the PBA.

On the other hand, for several years now, we have accustomed to the bending of laws of the land such that somebody have imbibed apathy and nonchalance in their system.

tiffac
01-22-2010, 01:47 PM
Well the league needs to show unity right now and by favoring SMB in this case would just look like another attack towards the MVP side, the bad blood garnered from the Smart Gilas debacle is enough and the PBA showed unity, got behind their leader and down played such a minor infraction.

So good move by the PBA board, it maybe the rule but the PBA knew in the eyes of the fans in general that the delay was a very small infraction and it was freaking good game too, so why sully a good game?

Also the league needs to silent its detractors and get the disenfranchised back to them. If they followed the rule, it would have hurt them for favoring SMB, as we are all aware that so many fans already says the PBA is an SMC league for having 3 SMC teams and from what I know in the rule it should only be 2 teams per company right? (someone kindly correct me there if I'm wrong).

The people who supports the PBA may not see my point in this issue but I'm happy that the PBA sure saw it the same way I did.

They pivot, change their stance and in the end was for the better by not putting more material into the fire (well it was a smoke actually. lolz)

capitantiago
01-22-2010, 02:48 PM
we are all aware that so many fans already says the PBA is an SMC league for having 3 SMC teams and from what I know in the rule it should only be 2 teams per company right? (someone kindly correct me there if I'm wrong).

When the Ayalas sold Purefoods Corp. lock, stock and barrel to streamline its business interests, to the SMC conglomerate, the latter offered to any interested parties the PBA franchise of Purefoods.

However, no one bit the offer.

And although Purefoods seems to have consistently bring paying fans to the playing venues, the board still has not given back to Purefoods its voting rights.

While it greatly contributes to the coffers of the league, it does not have a say. Oh, well.

KevinDurant
01-22-2010, 02:53 PM
let's not drag Gilas into this issue..please..

Gilas and PBA teams have different purposes ..just let them do their thing..alright..

tiffac
01-22-2010, 03:00 PM
I'm not dragging Gilas into the issue, I'm merely making my point on how that previous issue with Gilas could add to the bad blood in the PBA board, if the win by TNT was overturned bec they are both held by MVP.

Please don't jump the gun on me my friend, I'm just making a political point base on how the ruling could affect the PBA board and only them and their politics.

My example has purely nothing to do with Gilas and the team but it just has something to do with the guy who owns that team, so I added them as an example. My bad if I did not made it clear in the 1st place.


When the Ayalas sold Purefoods Corp. lock, stock and barrel to streamline its business interests, to the SMC conglomerate, the latter offered to any interested parties the PBA franchise of Purefoods.

However, no one bit the offer.

And although Purefoods seems to have consistently bring paying fans to the playing venues, the board still has not given back to Purefoods its voting rights.

While it greatly contributes to the coffers of the league, it does not have a say. Oh, well.

So PF is owned by SMC right now, then by not giving PF a vote in the board sounds fair to an extent.

Btw thanks for the clarification on that, much appreciated. :)

Big Ticket
01-22-2010, 03:03 PM
let's not drag Gilas into this issue..please..

Gilas and PBA teams have different purposes ..just let them do their thing..alright..

let's also not drag the PBA in the gilas games....that does not seem to the case in this forum...

gilas is doing well, why hate the PBA more? i cant really understand what those fanboys want...filipinos hating filipinos...

Iron Monkey
01-22-2010, 03:05 PM
let's also not drag the PBA in the gilas games....that does not seem to the case in this forum...

gilas is doing well, why hate the PBA more? i cant really understand what those fanboys want...filipinos hating filipinos...

depends on which thread i guess... though many still wanders/lurks in the wrong thread :D

kaiziken_pinas
01-22-2010, 03:06 PM
results of the game kanina?

KevinDurant
01-22-2010, 03:13 PM
let's also not drag the PBA in the gilas games....that does not seem to the case in this forum...

gilas is doing well, why hate the PBA more? i cant really understand what those fanboys want...filipinos hating filipinos...

well, well, well can't blame them for their frustrations.

tiffac
01-22-2010, 03:24 PM
let's also not drag the PBA in the gilas games....that does not seem to the case in this forum...

gilas is doing well, why hate the PBA more? i cant really understand what those fanboys want...filipinos hating filipinos...

I think he KD just misunderstood my example on Gilas... ^^;;

And lets not attack the credibility of one another and automatically decide every comment by the other side to be toxic and is warranted of a flame coz some comments are not warranted of reprisals.

Also responding in a aggressive behavior also warrants the same action by the other side and it will be an un-ending war of words after that. Not nice when some will likely have big ego's that cannot be told otherwise.

I say people are angry for a reason, let them vent off steam, most of them will come down to earth sooner or later. /no1


results of the game kanina?

The results are, Alaska won over RoS and is firmly in 2nd place and PF won over SLR making it to the quarters without any problems.

Sorry no scores you just have to check the PBA website for that. ^^;;

durden_tyler
01-22-2010, 04:20 PM
results of the game kanina?

Purefoods defeated Sta Lucia. Alaska beat Rain or Shine. Good game by ROS despite being a non-bearing for them but Alaska proved to have enough to nip Rain or Shine.

And so we have the wildcard knockout for the last spot in the quarters:
Sta Lucia takes on a dangerous and streaking Coca Cola team (haven't lost in 2010 i believe)... In the other pairing, Burger King meets Rain or Shine.

i predict COKE will make it a close affair, if they do they can really upset SLR.

KevinDurant
01-22-2010, 04:22 PM
Purefoods defeated Sta Lucia. Alaska beat Rain or Shine. Good game by ROS despite being a non-bearing for them but Alaska proved to have enough to nip Rain or Shine.

And so we have the wildcard knockout for the last spot in the quarters:
Sta Lucia takes on a dangerous and streaking Coca Cola team (haven't lost in 2010 i believe)... In the other pairing, Burger King meets Rain or Shine.

i predict COKE will make it a close affair, if they do they can really upset SLR.

i thought it was BK-Coke and RoS-SLR..

durden_tyler
01-22-2010, 04:27 PM
i thought it was BK-Coke and RoS-SLR..

My bad my bad. KD is correct.

It's indeed BK-Coke and Ros-SLR.

Well then, change prediction: Coke vs SLR for the final quarters slot.

durden_tyler
01-22-2010, 04:29 PM
From the PBA website.


PUREFOODS TO QUARTERS, STA. LUCIA TO WILDCARD

Purefoods completed a four-game romp at the close of the KFC PBA Philippine Cup elimination phase Friday night, gaining automatic entry into the quarterfinals with an 88-78 win over Sta. Lucia Realty at the Ynares Sports Center in Antipolo Friday night.

The Giants dominated the Realtors in the second half, thus, towing the Talk n Text Tropang Texters to an outright passage into the quarters while relegating Sta. Lucia to the wild card phase.

The knockout wild card plays begin Sunday in the same venue with the Realtors and the Rain or Shine Elasto Painters clashing at 4 p.m. then the Burger King Whoppers and the Coca-Cola Tigers mixing it up at 6:30 p.m.

The winners advance to another do-or-die duel Wednesday to determine which team battles Purefoods in the quarterfinals.

Purefoods eliminated complication that would've forced a playoff as it fought with great resolve and notched the win that sent the team to No. 3 finish in the double-round elimination phase.

Earlier, Alaska Milk drew level with San Miguel Beer on top with identical 13-5 win-loss slates following a 95-94 nail-biter of a win over Rain or Shine.

Purefoods and Barangay Ginebra were next at 12-6, followed by Talk n Text at 11-7, Sta. Lucia at 10-8, Burger King and Coca-Cola at 6-12, Rain or Shine at 4-14 and Barako Bull at 3-15.

"Although our real target is an outright semis entry, we're happy to be at No. 3 for an automatic passage into the quarters," said Purefoods coach Ryan Gregorio.

"The ultimate goal is to be on top at the end of the tournament. We'll certainly pursue it as we go into the playoffs," Gregorio added.

Sta. Lucia coach Boyet Fernandez was disappointed they missed the top five. Nonetheless, he remained confident they can make a run and get into the quarters via the backdoor.

The Giants played a solid game all night, frustrating the Realtors in their bid to get a playoff crack at an outright quarters entry.

James Yap, KG Canaleta, Roger Yap, Mark Pingris and Kerby Raymundo all scored in double figures with the rest helping the team put in together a tremendous effort on the defensive end.

"We're convinced playing good defense is the key to beat Sta. Lucia. We did just that," said Gregorio.

"We wanted Marc Pingris to stop Kelly (Williams). He did that assignment and gave us a bonus with crucial baskets," Gregorio also said.

Pingris made 11 points and was largely responsible in holding down the Sta. Lucia ace player to the same output he made.

Ryan Reyes, the other half of Sta. Lucia's dynamic Fil-Am duo, was held scoreless.

The Giants engaged the Realtors in a defensive battle, trailing by four, in the first quarter, before surging ahead, 41-35, at halftime.

They established firm control in the third quarter and went on to complete the win giving Purefoods a four-game closing romp in the elims. (SB)

The scores:

Purefoods 88 - Yap J. 19, Canaleta 17, Yap R. 12, Pingris 11, Raymundo 11, Artadi 9, Allado 7, Reavis 2, Timberlake 0, Maierhofer 0.

Sta. Lucia 78 - Yeo 17, Aquino 14, Urbiztondo 13, Williams 11, Omolon 9, Daa 6, Espinas 3, Waters 2, Mendoza 2, Misolas 1, Larong 0, Reyes 0.

Quarterscores: 15-19, 41-35, 70-59, 88-78

ogre
01-22-2010, 05:34 PM
I say people are angry for a reason, let them vent off steam, most of them will come down to earth sooner or later. /no1

Sorry boy. Even Smart Gilas lose all their games, as you obviously been hoping for, those fans including me who really admire the team because of their sacrifices for our country will never treat the PBA nor any of its teams the same way as they did with Smart Gilas.

Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!:D

tiffac
01-23-2010, 12:50 PM
Sorry boy. Even Smart Gilas lose all their games, as you obviously been hoping for, those fans including me who really admire the team because of their sacrifices for our country will never treat the PBA nor any of its teams the same way as they did with Smart Gilas.

Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!:D

Okay well atleast your admit your a fanboy, too bad though you misinterpreted my post coz of all the hate you feel.

I love fanboys they don't care to check who they are quoting and just post with mindless abandon. LOLZ!

How you came up that I want Gilas to fail is just EPIC FAIL. LOLZ!

And I thought being called a anti PBA fanboy by others was funny but an anti Gilas is just priceless hahahahaha!

:D:D:D:D

Big Ticket
01-23-2010, 03:08 PM
Sorry boy. Even Smart Gilas lose all their games, as you obviously been hoping for, those fans including me who really admire the team because of their sacrifices for our country will never treat the PBA nor any of its teams the same way as they did with Smart Gilas.

Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!:D

not all fans are like you, believe me!

neo
01-23-2010, 03:14 PM
all gilas-related topic should be on the other threads. let us stick with pba topics here.

ogre
01-23-2010, 10:17 PM
not all fans are like you, believe me!

Thank you, I'll take it as a compliment. Believe me!

raichu08
01-24-2010, 01:22 AM
I hope coke beats Kots Kalbs' team and goes all the way to the final 4. They are just showing their true form.

durden_tyler
01-24-2010, 02:36 AM
I hope coke beats Kots Kalbs' team and goes all the way to the final 4. They are just showing their true form.

They are after all the hottest team in the league.. i want an SLR-COKE showdown for the final quarters slot...

thayil
01-24-2010, 02:40 AM
"2morrow our journey begins an Burger King is da first 1 in our path. Lets give dem 48 mns of hell bradrs!!! No mercy an i want u hungry an starving 4 dat win 2morrow!!! rest well bradrs an enjoy da rest of ur evening with ur fam!!!14 hours ago"

I saw this on Asi's Facebook shoutout.. looks like he is on a mission :)

durden_tyler
01-24-2010, 04:31 AM
"2morrow our journey begins an Burger King is da first 1 in our path. Lets give dem 48 mns of hell bradrs!!! No mercy an i want u hungry an starving 4 dat win 2morrow!!! rest well bradrs an enjoy da rest of ur evening with ur fam!!!14 hours ago"

I saw this on Asi's Facebook shoutout.. looks like he is on a mission :)

Asi had similar words during the postgame interview in their last game where he hit the game-winning fade-away. This Coke team is finally healthy, and a very dangerous one even against the likes of a TNT or Ginebra.

black82
01-24-2010, 11:25 AM
hallo i'm a new user i come from italy :)
I want to know where i can found a livescore for the match on PBA :confused::confused:


I would also like to know where I can find blay by play or pictures of the game Sta.Lucia vs. Rain or Shine
it is very important

many thanks:)

Big Ticket
01-24-2010, 11:42 AM
ROS upsets SLR....

PUGOtipm
01-24-2010, 12:00 PM
ROS upsets SLR....
SLR ended their AFC campaign, so as my fantasy point I got all SLR players for this week because I thought they would breeze past everybody else in the wild card.

reamily
01-24-2010, 12:08 PM
SLR ended their AFC campaign, so as my fantasy point I got all SLR players for this week because I thought they would breeze past everybody else in the wild card.

the team with the more talent won but it was upset because stalu is the better team untin this game:D

tiffac
01-24-2010, 12:17 PM
I don't know how Bk can beat Coke, BK is like one of the worse defensive team and I think the most TO prone team I've seen this season.

Not mention they sent their last remaining best player in Gary David to Coke. lolz!

Pating0309
01-24-2010, 12:36 PM
Can somebody shed some light on me bout this? :mad:
Why can't just the PBA follow the entire FIBA rule set instead of copying NBA?

We are not americans! We are Pinoys! FIBA is an international governing body for Basketball and since PBA = basketball let's just use FIBA's rule set.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I know.. I know.. PBA is built to entertain but how can you attract fans/supporters if you're only good in your turf?:mad: :mad: :mad:

*Why is there a need for height limit for imports? Aren't it more appealing to fans/supporters if our locals are beating (trying hard to beat) the towers?
:mad::mad::mad:

tiffac
01-24-2010, 12:44 PM
Bec the general public here in the Philippines is not use to the FIBA setup and will likely not accept it coz they are not use to it.

Believe me I work in down town and most PBA fans does not have any internet connection or a computer for that matter and they have no idea what FIBA is.

So you have a huge chunk of the population that with get disenfranchise by changing things and like "cha-cha" Pinoys have never been good with change.

Update on the game:

It seems like I spoke too soon about BK wtf is Coke doing?

Uto-uto PBA Fans
01-24-2010, 12:56 PM
Asi Taulava really inspires me, just like Andres Bonifacio leading the charge. But with the Best Coach in Asia Yeng Guiao, its like hitting the wall.:p

Uto-uto PBA Fans
01-24-2010, 01:05 PM
Can somebody shed some light on me bout this? :mad:
Why can't just the PBA follow the entire FIBA rule set instead of copying NBA?

We are not americans! We are Pinoys! FIBA is an international governing body for Basketball and since PBA = basketball let's just use FIBA's rule set.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I know.. I know.. PBA is built to entertain but how can you attract fans/supporters if you're only good in your turf?:mad: :mad: :mad:

*Why is there a need for height limit for imports? Aren't it more appealing to fans/supporters if our locals are beating (trying hard to beat) the towers?
:mad::mad::mad:

The PBA needs to limit the height of the import because when the import is too tall then got blocked by a local player, he will be very ashamed and will not play again. The PBA doesn't like that.:p

Pating0309
01-24-2010, 01:07 PM
The PBA needs to limit the height of the import because when the import is too tall then got blocked by a local player, he will be very ashamed and will not play again. The PBA doesn't like that.:p

WoW!

Good answer Sir! Very logical at the same time entertaining! :D

I commend your efforts and if ever there will be a search for the new commish, you're on top of my list sir! :D

Uto-uto PBA Fans
01-24-2010, 01:13 PM
WoW!

Good answer Sir! Very logical at the same time entertaining! :D

I commend your efforts and if ever there will be a search for the new commish, you're on top of my list sir! :D

See you understand very well. That is the reason why Asi Taulava is listed as 6-10 but he is actually 6-8. Danny Seigle as 6-7 but actually is 6-4. Kerby Raymundo listed as 6-7 but in real life he is 6-5. If they block an import, the import will not be ashamed too because the blocker is too tall for them.:p

tiffac
01-24-2010, 01:18 PM
See you understand very well. That is the reason why Asi Taulava is listed as 6-10 but he is actually 6-8. Danny Seigle as 6-7 but actually is 6-4. Kerby Raymundo listed as 6-7 but in real life he is 6-5. If they block an import, the import will not be ashamed too because the blocker is too tall for them.:p

LOLZ~! My sides hurt. LOLZ~! :D

saints13
01-24-2010, 01:18 PM
See you understand very well. That is the reason why Asi Taulava is listed as 6-10 but he is actually 6-8. Danny Seigle as 6-7 but actually is 6-4. Kerby Raymundo listed as 6-7 but in real life he is 6-5. If they block an import, the import will not be ashamed too because the blocker is too tall for them.:p

isn't danny seigle a legit 6'6"

Pating0309
01-24-2010, 01:18 PM
See you understand very well. That is the reason why Asi Taulava is listed as 6-10 but he is actually 6-8. Danny Seigle as 6-7 but actually is 6-4. Kerby Raymundo listed as 6-7 but in real life he is 6-5. If they block an import, the import will not be ashamed too because the blocker is too tall for them.:p

Uhhmmm.

Ganun pala yun... what if ipakain kaya kita sa buwaya? ::eek::D:eek::D

Trans: Next for giving to me the bigger picture, Ser! :D

Uto-uto PBA Fans
01-24-2010, 01:19 PM
Uhhmmm.

Ganun pala yun... what if ipakain kaya kita sa buwaya? ::eek::D:eek::D

Trans: Next for giving to me the bigger picture, Ser! :D

Crocodiles? I'm not scared of that sir, we have a lot of them in the PBA.:D

durden_tyler
01-24-2010, 01:29 PM
isn't danny seigle a legit 6'6"

6'4" and 3/4 is just about right. Same thing that Michael Jordan is around 6'4~6~5 as Charles Barkley is 6'4". ;)

As for the query, it's because FIBA basketball is not really made for TV or commercial purposes as opposed to the NBA set-up, that's why there are certain differences in rules. Then again, do yourself a favor and you will notice that the PBA doesn't follow strictly NBA rules and regulations; some rules are even similar (or the same) to the FIBA.

As for the games today, that was a wild upset by Rain or Shine... Credit to them, gave them a fighting chance but to pull an upset was... surprising. Coke did their job in the first three quarters but BK's full court press turned the tide. Good thing for Coke their guards continued to be aggressive in the final 2-3 minutes.

And oh, sucks to be Alex Cabagnot these days, your former team booting you out as you go into an early vacation. On the flipside, Gary David is all-smiles during the post game.

Rain or Shine versus Coke on Wednesday, hopefully it will be as exciting as today. The winner of which by the way takes on Purefoods in a best-of-three even as Talk N' Text faces Ginebra in the other quarters pairing!

netengr_9
01-24-2010, 01:54 PM
[English or provide translation]

Sakamoto
01-24-2010, 02:04 PM
Can somebody shed some light on me bout this? :mad:
Why can't just the PBA follow the entire FIBA rule set instead of copying NBA?

We are not americans! We are Pinoys! FIBA is an international governing body for Basketball and since PBA = basketball let's just use FIBA's rule set.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I know.. I know.. PBA is built to entertain but how can you attract fans/supporters if you're only good in your turf?:mad: :mad: :mad:

*Why is there a need for height limit for imports? Aren't it more appealing to fans/supporters if our locals are beating (trying hard to beat) the towers?
:mad::mad::mad:

According to coach Uichico last year before the 2009 JOnes cup where in PBA will represents our country, adopting the fiba rules is a matter of priority. If the PBA wants to help the national cause then we should adapt the fiba rules. PBA is for entertainment that is why we have the PBA rules.

raichu08
01-24-2010, 02:28 PM
I hope Coke goes all the way. The gary david trade really worked its magic.

Problem is if their path continues would take them against Purefoods, my 2nd fav team.

black82
01-24-2010, 03:11 PM
hallo i'm a new user i come from italy :)
I want to know where i can found a livescore for the match on PBA :confused::confused:


I would also like to know where I can find blay by play or pictures of the game Sta.Lucia vs. Rain or Shine
it is very important

many thanks:)

plaese help me..it is very important :(:(

tiffac
01-24-2010, 03:34 PM
Rain or Shine versus Coke on Wednesday, hopefully it will be as exciting as today. The winner of which by the way takes on Purefoods in a best-of-three even as Talk N' Text faces Ginebra in the other quarters pairing!

Ah my boy Tubid vs Mr. Cardona. Nice~

saints13
01-24-2010, 03:55 PM
I don't know about that wildcard format...although it's an original PBA idea (is it?)...very small chance of a team that survives the wildcard will get a crack at the championship, even a team with a lot of human resource surplus like SMB wouldn't succeed.. :)

durden_tyler
01-24-2010, 04:03 PM
I don't know about that wildcard format...although it's an original PBA idea (is it?)...very small chance of a team that survives the wildcard will get a crack at the championship, even a team with a lot of human resource surplus like SMB wouldn't succeed.. :)

Yes. i don't like it as well. Though the recent change cut down the number of games for the wildcard then (now it's just a pair of knockout, in the past, there's even a round-robin in the wildcard phase) it still feels that we will have a "rust-versus-fatigue" issue down the road.

Still, it's understandable, and despicable to some, as the PBA wants maximum exposure to its (commercial) teams--- that's why there's only one team left out after the eliminations--- again, another change from then "classification" round when no team got booted out.

Formats are really a pain in the ass when you think about. There's no perfect science in it considering all the factors involved in any league.

saints13
01-24-2010, 04:15 PM
Yes. i don't like it as well. Though the recent change cut down the number of games for the wildcard then (now it's just a pair of knockout, in the past, there's even a round-robin in the wildcard phase) it still feels that we will have a "rust-versus-fatigue" issue down the road.

Still, it's understandable, and despicable to some, as the PBA wants maximum exposure to its (commercial) teams--- that's why there's only one team left out after the eliminations--- again, another change from then "classification" round when no team got booted out.

Formats are really a pain in the ass when you think about. There's no perfect science in it considering all the factors involved in any league.

IMHO...I like it better the way they do it in early 90's...it was more logical (I don't know if it's still marketable these days)..with 9 teams playing the elimination...top 5 teams advances to a round robin semis..then top 2 goes to the finals...top 3 and 4 will battle it out for 3rd.

Big Ticket
01-25-2010, 12:04 AM
I don't know about that wildcard format...although it's an original PBA idea (is it?)...very small chance of a team that survives the wildcard will get a crack at the championship, even a team with a lot of human resource surplus like SMB wouldn't succeed.. :)

because you shouldn't be given a chance if you don't do well in the elims...in this format, at least you get a chance, even if it's slim...

neo
01-25-2010, 02:37 AM
tnt vs bgk right? i would finally watch a game live for the first time since the gilas vs bgk game :D

durden_tyler
01-25-2010, 05:59 AM
because you shouldn't be given a chance if you don't do well in the elims...in this format, at least you get a chance, even if it's slim...

Well, yeah... With this format, teams realize the difference between ending at 1 and 2, to 3, 4 and 5 and the wildcard spots...

kaiziken_pinas
01-25-2010, 06:57 AM
about the next conference, is the pba going to invite some foreign teams or are they going to stay isolated?

durden_tyler
01-25-2010, 10:17 AM
about the next conference, is the pba going to invite some foreign teams or are they going to stay isolated?

i doubt they are going to make changes as seen by the height limit rule. Don't get your hopes up is what i am trying to say.

sandking2123
01-25-2010, 10:29 AM
about the next conference, is the pba going to invite some foreign teams or are they going to stay isolated?

New local teams, maybe... But not foreign... Hehe...

tiffac
01-25-2010, 10:52 AM
Maybe they can invite the Liga teams and PBL teams that can play this season in the PBA seeing both leagues are on a hiatus bec of lack of participants.

durden_tyler
01-25-2010, 01:22 PM
Maybe they can invite the Liga teams and PBL teams that can play this season in the PBA seeing both leagues are on a hiatus bec of lack of participants.

Definitely a good idea (though a better one would be to invite foreign teams, particularly foreign commercial clubs, but because of the global economy...) but it will only come into fruition if these local teams would be bankrolled by a major company. Is it feasible at this time when the economy is struggling? Will that major company take that risk?

Big Ticket
01-25-2010, 02:58 PM
Definitely a good idea (though a better one would be to invite foreign teams, particularly foreign commercial clubs, but because of the global economy...) but it will only come into fruition if these local teams would be bankrolled by a major company. Is it feasible at this time when the economy is struggling? Will that major company take that risk?

and what foreign will you invite? remember, PBA is now in syched with the FIBA calendar so the domestic leagues of most countries are ongoing...

i think smart-gilas is the only national team playing together all year round...

manu_bol
01-25-2010, 03:36 PM
and what foreign will you invite? remember, PBA is now in syched with the FIBA calendar so the domestic leagues of most countries are ongoing...

i think smart-gilas is the only national team playing together all year round...

maybe foreign teams eliminated from their leagues :). did australia's nbl start already? is the league still in financial difficulty? why not merge the anbl with the pba even for just a conference? 2-3 richer nbl teams will do.

nardy
01-25-2010, 03:38 PM
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COMMENTARY (http://insidesports.ph/basketball/commentary-3/)
Posted on 21 January 2010

The protest filed by San Miguel Beer over PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios’ decision to allow Talk N’ Text a grace period to get the correct assigned team uniforms for their out-of-town game with the Beermen was, to say the least, an act that reflected poorly on their sense of sportsmanship.

The delay in the start of the game was obviously not a deliberate act designed to play mind games with the Beermen but rather an administrative error on the part of some Talk N’ Text functionary who would probably pay the price for his or her mistake. But to ask the PBA board of governors to over-rule the Commissioner and for Talk N’ Text to forfeit the game and to hold the team in default besides being petty, was laced with obvious self-interest.

That’s because if San Miguel Beer was granted a win, even though they lost the game, it would help two San Miguel Corporation owned teams, Barangay Ginebra and Purefoods in their bid for a quarter finals berth along with Sta Lucia, as indicated in the letter of Team Manager Hector Calma.. This is basically the inherent flaw of allowing one corporation to own three teams in the league. It only ensures that selfish and vested interests will prevail over the interests of the league as a whole.

This is also why the PBA Commissioner, under the Constitution and By Laws framed by the eminent lawyer-sportsman Rudy Salud, was vested with generally sweeping powers that were designed to prevent teams with partisan interests and clear conflicts of interest to interfere in the running of the league.

Regrettably, through a process of attrition, the PBA board has conspired to dilute the powers of the Commissioner and effectively seeks to run the league making the Commissioner nothing more than a glorified tournament director.

Internationally accepted principles support the contention that the results of a game shall stand unless one of the teams uses one or more ineligible players and the game is considered defaulted. But this was not the case.

The game started later than the scheduled time which is not the first time this has happened. In short, the delay did not materially affect the outcome which resulted in a Talk N’ Text victory.

Besides, at the time the two teams stepped onto the court to play the game after a grace period approved by Commissioner Barrios, to all intents and purposes, it was a competitive game with a bearing result and both teams knew that. There is no way the result could be reversed unless the PBA board in a fit of madness decides to over-rule the Commissioner’s decision although considering the ownership structure of the PBA and the wheeling and dealing that has marred its existence in recent years, anything is possible.

We are disappointed that Hector Calma, a player and a gentleman, decided to file a protest but we are certain, as God made apples, that someone who pulls the strings for all the SMC owned teams was behind it.

Calma submitted his protest letter to the board, not to the Commissioner, which in itself appeared to be a slap in the face of Barrios. What San Miguel should have first resorted to was to ask Commissioner Barrios to reconsider his decision and only then to have the case elevated to the board if San Miguel felt terribly aggrieved personally – not aggrieved on behalf of their sister teams! We are amazed that Chairman Lito Alvarez even agreed to call a board meeting when he didn’t have to and should have, in the best interests of the independence of the C ommissioner’s Office, supported Barrios’ decision because the scheduling of games in terms of times, venue, uniforms, players eligibilitt etc are a function of the Commissioner’s Office, not the board.

One wonders how these so-called executives of top corporations with so much work to do in these troubled times could waste precious executive time to quibble over whether the result of a basketball game should be over-turned because one team wore the wrong uniform and corrected the mistake - with the approval of the Commissioner - after some 35 or 40 minutes. Don’t these gentlemen have more important things to? If its the PBA they are concerned about and San Miguel insists that the Talk N’ Text game was defaulted thus turning it into an exhibition game, the fans have a right to demand a rebate because they paid good money and came from different places to watch a competitive game not an exhibition!

Of course, it would have been much easier to handle if Commissioner Barrios was present. We gather that he never attends so-called provincial games which, to us, is unfair to the promoters, the out-of-town fans and the league itself especially when we recall that Noli Eala and the late Jun Bernardino made it a point to attend every provincial game and to make their hosts feel good. It seems to us a matter of courtesy.

We are amazed at the statement that league rules were made/established to avoid conflicts among member ballclubs yet, by the very nature of its protest, San Miguel is stirring up a conflict which is far more deeply rooted than a mere basketball game.

If only all teams, not just San Miguel Beer, value the rules and regulations drawn up by the founding fathers of the PBA there would never be the rampant buying and selling of players, the obvious imbalance where the richer teams use their riches to try and literally buy a championship through the acquisition of players and where teams – and there are certainly more than one – brazenly circumvent rules on trading between sister teams and flout the salary cap and believe that all of us our dumb enough to believe that they follow the rules.

Just take a look at the rows and rows of empty seats at the Araneta Coliseum except perhaps when Ginebra plays and compare the numbers to the glory days of Crispa and Toyota when men of integrity and strength of will such as the late Leo Prieto and Rudy Salud served as Commissioners and the board was composed of enlightened gentlemen such as Carlos “Honeyboy” Palanca, the late Doming Itchon and in more recent times people like Wilfred Steven Uytengsu and Butch Alejo among others. The operative words were integrity and the public interest. To seek to overturn the result of a game because the Commissioner gave one team time to get the correct uniform did nothing to ensure the integrity of the end result neither did it serve the public interest. It only laid bare once again, the anomaly of one corporation owning three teams.


COMMENTARY (http://insidesports.ph/basketball/commentary-4/)
Posted on 22 January 2010

“WHOM ARE THEY KIDDING?”

One of the stories coming out of a leading member of the PBA Press Corps stated that San Miguel Beer had “sought clarification” and appealed to Commissioner Sonny Barrios to review existing rules and guidelines on what should happen if a team doesn’t show up for a game with the designated uniform as was the case of the San Miguel Beer – Talk N’ Text encounter in Zamboanga City where Barrios gave Talk N’ Text a grace period to correct their mistake.

It also quoted Media Bureau Chief Willy Marcial as stating that San Miguel was not required to place a protest bond of P20,000 as required by PBA rules as it settled for clarification of the rules with San Miguel official Robert Non saying he was glad their appeal was recognized.

Its time to set the record state and to tell it like it is without attempting to fool the public.
First and foremost, unless we don’t understand English the letter of Team Manager Hector Calma was certainly not seeking clarification because he stated in the opening line of his letter which, by the way, was addressed to the PBA Board through Chairman Lito Alvarez… “This is to seek reconsideration/reversal of the Commissioner’s ruling allowing Talk N’ Text a grace period of one (1) hour from the scheduled game time to come up with their assigned team uniform etc.”

Does this sound like a letter seeking clarification? Certainly not. He sought “reconsideration/reversal” of the Commissioner’s decision which, to Barrios’ credit, was perfectly right just as he was right in fining Talk N’ Text for their mistake.
Calma further reinforced our contention that it was a protest letter not a clarification when he proceeded to list down the facts of the case and ended by stating that for their miscue Talk N’ Text “should face the consequences and that is forfeiture/default of their game.”

Under PBA rules the Calma letter should have been considered a protest and San Miguel made to file a protest bond but the PBA apparently decided to be lenient.

We are glad that Commissioner Barrios threw out the protest and not just stood firm by his decision but made the board understand that they were seeking to move into a territory that was, under the PBA Constitution and By Laws, the exclusive jurisdiction of the Commissioner.

If there is one positive result of this episode it is that Barrios has shown he has the guts to stand up even against a powerful PBA member such as San Miguel.

saints13
01-25-2010, 04:26 PM
well...the brouhahaha between SMB and TNT has gotten some public interest about the dormant league... zzzzz :confused: nothing so amusing about the games, mas maugong pa ang mga tsismis at intriga..hehehe.

translation:
Nap Gutierez for PBA Commissioner.

Areved
01-25-2010, 04:29 PM
So the letter of protest was first submitted to the board and not to the commissioner? Then, the letter was claimed to be only a clarification? Wow! What a move by San Miguel!! It's like an EJ Feihl doing a crossover move then a reverse slam dunk!

Ang lakas talaga ng mga kapatid kay kuya..
trans: Big Brother really looking over his sisters.. :D

durden_tyler
01-25-2010, 04:42 PM
So the letter of protest was first submitted to the board and not to the commissioner? Then, the letter was claimed to be only a clarification? Wow! What a move by San Miguel!! It's like an EJ Feihl doing a crossover move then a reverse slam dunk!

Ang lakas talaga ng mga kapatid kay kuya..
trans: Big Brother really looking over his sisters.. :D

And lost in all these is that the commissioner stomping his authority over Big Brother ;)

Areved
01-25-2010, 04:54 PM
yeah, good thing Big Brother did not prevail on this one because it would really be very obvious..

Joe Yabuki
01-25-2010, 05:23 PM
I guess those Bario-puns really got into him, now that he's showing signs of being the commish that he really should be, I feel like celebrating :D

ogre
01-25-2010, 06:48 PM
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COMMENTARY (http://insidesports.ph/basketball/commentary-3/)
Posted on 21 January 2010

The protest filed by San Miguel Beer over PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios’ decision to allow Talk N’ Text a grace period to get the correct assigned team uniforms for their out-of-town game with the Beermen was, to say the least, an act that reflected poorly on their sense of sportsmanship.

The delay in the start of the game was obviously not a deliberate act designed to play mind games with the Beermen but rather an administrative error on the part of some Talk N’ Text functionary who would probably pay the price for his or her mistake. But to ask the PBA board of governors to over-rule the Commissioner and for Talk N’ Text to forfeit the game and to hold the team in default besides being petty, was laced with obvious self-interest.

That’s because if San Miguel Beer was granted a win, even though they lost the game, it would help two San Miguel Corporation owned teams, Barangay Ginebra and Purefoods in their bid for a quarter finals berth along with Sta Lucia, as indicated in the letter of Team Manager Hector Calma.. This is basically the inherent flaw of allowing one corporation to own three teams in the league. It only ensures that selfish and vested interests will prevail over the interests of the league as a whole.

This is also why the PBA Commissioner, under the Constitution and By Laws framed by the eminent lawyer-sportsman Rudy Salud, was vested with generally sweeping powers that were designed to prevent teams with partisan interests and clear conflicts of interest to interfere in the running of the league.

Regrettably, through a process of attrition, the PBA board has conspired to dilute the powers of the Commissioner and effectively seeks to run the league making the Commissioner nothing more than a glorified tournament director.

Internationally accepted principles support the contention that the results of a game shall stand unless one of the teams uses one or more ineligible players and the game is considered defaulted. But this was not the case.

The game started later than the scheduled time which is not the first time this has happened. In short, the delay did not materially affect the outcome which resulted in a Talk N’ Text victory.

Besides, at the time the two teams stepped onto the court to play the game after a grace period approved by Commissioner Barrios, to all intents and purposes, it was a competitive game with a bearing result and both teams knew that. There is no way the result could be reversed unless the PBA board in a fit of madness decides to over-rule the Commissioner’s decision although considering the ownership structure of the PBA and the wheeling and dealing that has marred its existence in recent years, anything is possible.

We are disappointed that Hector Calma, a player and a gentleman, decided to file a protest but we are certain, as God made apples, that someone who pulls the strings for all the SMC owned teams was behind it.

Calma submitted his protest letter to the board, not to the Commissioner, which in itself appeared to be a slap in the face of Barrios. What San Miguel should have first resorted to was to ask Commissioner Barrios to reconsider his decision and only then to have the case elevated to the board if San Miguel felt terribly aggrieved personally – not aggrieved on behalf of their sister teams! We are amazed that Chairman Lito Alvarez even agreed to call a board meeting when he didn’t have to and should have, in the best interests of the independence of the C ommissioner’s Office, supported Barrios’ decision because the scheduling of games in terms of times, venue, uniforms, players eligibilitt etc are a function of the Commissioner’s Office, not the board.

One wonders how these so-called executives of top corporations with so much work to do in these troubled times could waste precious executive time to quibble over whether the result of a basketball game should be over-turned because one team wore the wrong uniform and corrected the mistake - with the approval of the Commissioner - after some 35 or 40 minutes. Don’t these gentlemen have more important things to? If its the PBA they are concerned about and San Miguel insists that the Talk N’ Text game was defaulted thus turning it into an exhibition game, the fans have a right to demand a rebate because they paid good money and came from different places to watch a competitive game not an exhibition!

Of course, it would have been much easier to handle if Commissioner Barrios was present. We gather that he never attends so-called provincial games which, to us, is unfair to the promoters, the out-of-town fans and the league itself especially when we recall that Noli Eala and the late Jun Bernardino made it a point to attend every provincial game and to make their hosts feel good. It seems to us a matter of courtesy.

We are amazed at the statement that league rules were made/established to avoid conflicts among member ballclubs yet, by the very nature of its protest, San Miguel is stirring up a conflict which is far more deeply rooted than a mere basketball game.

If only all teams, not just San Miguel Beer, value the rules and regulations drawn up by the founding fathers of the PBA there would never be the rampant buying and selling of players, the obvious imbalance where the richer teams use their riches to try and literally buy a championship through the acquisition of players and where teams – and there are certainly more than one – brazenly circumvent rules on trading between sister teams and flout the salary cap and believe that all of us our dumb enough to believe that they follow the rules.

Just take a look at the rows and rows of empty seats at the Araneta Coliseum except perhaps when Ginebra plays and compare the numbers to the glory days of Crispa and Toyota when men of integrity and strength of will such as the late Leo Prieto and Rudy Salud served as Commissioners and the board was composed of enlightened gentlemen such as Carlos “Honeyboy” Palanca, the late Doming Itchon and in more recent times people like Wilfred Steven Uytengsu and Butch Alejo among others. The operative words were integrity and the public interest. To seek to overturn the result of a game because the Commissioner gave one team time to get the correct uniform did nothing to ensure the integrity of the end result neither did it serve the public interest. It only laid bare once again, the anomaly of one corporation owning three teams.


COMMENTARY (http://insidesports.ph/basketball/commentary-4/)
Posted on 22 January 2010

“WHOM ARE THEY KIDDING?”

One of the stories coming out of a leading member of the PBA Press Corps stated that San Miguel Beer had “sought clarification” and appealed to Commissioner Sonny Barrios to review existing rules and guidelines on what should happen if a team doesn’t show up for a game with the designated uniform as was the case of the San Miguel Beer – Talk N’ Text encounter in Zamboanga City where Barrios gave Talk N’ Text a grace period to correct their mistake.

It also quoted Media Bureau Chief Willy Marcial as stating that San Miguel was not required to place a protest bond of P20,000 as required by PBA rules as it settled for clarification of the rules with San Miguel official Robert Non saying he was glad their appeal was recognized.

Its time to set the record state and to tell it like it is without attempting to fool the public.
First and foremost, unless we don’t understand English the letter of Team Manager Hector Calma was certainly not seeking clarification because he stated in the opening line of his letter which, by the way, was addressed to the PBA Board through Chairman Lito Alvarez… “This is to seek reconsideration/reversal of the Commissioner’s ruling allowing Talk N’ Text a grace period of one (1) hour from the scheduled game time to come up with their assigned team uniform etc.”

Does this sound like a letter seeking clarification? Certainly not. He sought “reconsideration/reversal” of the Commissioner’s decision which, to Barrios’ credit, was perfectly right just as he was right in fining Talk N’ Text for their mistake.
Calma further reinforced our contention that it was a protest letter not a clarification when he proceeded to list down the facts of the case and ended by stating that for their miscue Talk N’ Text “should face the consequences and that is forfeiture/default of their game.”

Under PBA rules the Calma letter should have been considered a protest and San Miguel made to file a protest bond but the PBA apparently decided to be lenient.

We are glad that Commissioner Barrios threw out the protest and not just stood firm by his decision but made the board understand that they were seeking to move into a territory that was, under the PBA Constitution and By Laws, the exclusive jurisdiction of the Commissioner.

If there is one positive result of this episode it is that Barrios has shown he has the guts to stand up even against a powerful PBA member such as San Miguel.


Can't blame Hector for this, he's just a company man and his distributorship. And for those hoping for a strategic alliance between PBA/SMB Corp. and PLDT for the NT, you now have an idea how cooperative SMB Corp will be with the way they acted in this issue.

durden_tyler
01-25-2010, 10:53 PM
Quarters cast to be finalized tonight as http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/Coke.gif takes on http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/RainOrShine.gif with the winner joining TNT, Ginebra and Purefoods in the next round.

i will be cheering for Coke, but with Sol Mercado exploding the past couple of games i do think Rain or Shine has a very very good chance to pull the rug under the streaking Tigers squad.

neo
01-26-2010, 04:02 AM
Quarters cast to be finalized tonight as http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/Coke.gif takes on http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/RainOrShine.gif with the winner joining TNT, Ginebra and Purefoods in the next round.

i will be cheering for Coke, but with Sol Mercado exploding the past couple of games i do think Rain or Shine has a very very good chance to pull the rug under the streaking Tigers squad.

it does not matter who wins.purefoods will win over them :cool:

Joe Yabuki
01-26-2010, 04:49 AM
Quarters cast to be finalized tonight as http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/Coke.gif takes on http://pba.com.ph/pbateams/RainOrShine.gif with the winner joining TNT, Ginebra and Purefoods in the next round.

i will be cheering for Coke, but with Sol Mercado exploding the past couple of games i do think Rain or Shine has a very very good chance to pull the rug under the streaking Tigers squad.

an exploding Sol Mercado vs the re-surging Gary David, this will be a fun match-up to watch.

Silent Killer
01-26-2010, 07:02 AM
i'll go for rain or shine.

raichu08
01-26-2010, 08:33 AM
Go get em Tigers!

sandking2123
01-26-2010, 01:48 PM
i'll go for rain or shine.

me too...

da_dream
01-26-2010, 03:41 PM
go coke beat the rain or shine :cool:

bone24_corleone
01-26-2010, 03:49 PM
coke!

neo
01-26-2010, 04:01 PM
purefoods will murder either team :D

and i hope bgk will have more healthy bodies to be able to match tnt's depth

da_dream
01-26-2010, 04:09 PM
purefoods will murder either team :D

and i hope bgk will have more healthy bodies to be able to match tnt's depth

wait for coke to match up with your giants hehe;)

raichu08
01-26-2010, 11:57 PM
purefoods will murder either team :D

and i hope bgk will have more healthy bodies to be able to match tnt's depth
I'm also a PF fan so I follow both coke and PF and IIRC that the only team they beat back when they are 1-13 and taulava less was Purefoods.

neo
01-27-2010, 12:45 AM
I'm also a PF fan so I follow both coke and PF and IIRC that the only team they beat back when they are 1-13 and taulava less was Purefoods.

that loss was before purefoods were playing inconsistent. that was before purefoods made a killing in the 2nd round to overtook tnt and bgk.

The_Big_Cat
01-27-2010, 04:10 AM
Coke is still perfect this 2010. They are on a roll. So, my money is on Coke.

KevinDurant
01-27-2010, 04:16 AM
If Coke beats RoS..Purefoods would be hard pressed against this team come the quarters.

nardy
01-27-2010, 06:42 AM
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Bo: It’s all about who’s got heart (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/sports/21354-bo-its-all-about-whos-got-heart.html)
Written by Dave Coros / Correspondent
Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:30


COCA-COLA coach Bo Perasol took it as a compliment when told his team is heavily favored in their scheduled duel with Rain or Shine (RoS) on Wednesday at the Ynares Center in Antipolo.


He quickly cautioned, though, that winning a game as vital as this one takes a great effort and a big fighting heart.


Coca-Cola and RoS clash at 7 p.m. with the winner joining Purefoods, Barangay Ginebra and Talk ’N Text in the best-of-five quarterfinals of the KFC-Philippine Basketball Association Philippine Cup.


Perasol hopes his unit could sustain the energy that allowed them to win four-consecutive games that concluded with a 118-112 victory over Burger King in their wild-card match on Sunday.


Coca-Cola and RoS split their two games in the elimination round with the Tigers, making it 1-1 with Asi Taulava back in the rotation after missing nine games that left his team practically struggling throughout the first round of eliminations.



“Rain or Shine is a tough opponent. But we’re ready for them. We’ve gone this far enough to deserve a quarterfinal seat,” Perasol said.


The Tigers, though, have not won five straight since midway through the 2007-08 Philippine Cup.


The presence of Taulava and Dennis Espino, concedes RoS coach Caloy Garcia, presents a matchup nightmare.


Coca-Cola is 6-2 since Taulava rejoined the rotation. He is averaging 14 points and 11 rebounds a game.


“We’re clearly the underdog. Worse, there’s practically nothing that could work to our advantage,” said Garcia.


But he remains optimistic. The key, he said, is to be able to compete on every possession and for his players to trust each other—the same formula he used in beating the Sta. Lucia Realtors, 90-86, in their wild-card duel also on Sunday.


“It will take a lot of courage to survive a team like Coca-Cola. But if we can play with a big heart, I think we can turn things around,” Garcia said.


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jsmith124
01-27-2010, 09:07 AM
I hope this is the right thread but How much does gabe norwood make a year?

nardy
01-27-2010, 09:58 AM
I hope this is the right thread but How much does gabe norwood make a year?

In September 2008 as the Top Rookie Draft Choice, Rain or Shine gave Gabe Norwood a P8.7 million package for three years which is the maximum allowable for rookies that's spread at getting P150,000 a month in 2008, P225,000 2009 and P350,000 in 2010.

So based on that this year Gabe is to make P4.2 million in basic exclusive of bonuses and other benefits. In US Dollars that's approximately 89,849.18 using the Jan 27, 2010 Philippine Peso to US Dollar exhange rate of Philippine P46.745 per US $1.00.

Please note that a P350 thousand per month contract is the maximum amount which a PBA team can give to a player.

sandking2123
01-27-2010, 10:09 AM
Coke will be really hard to beat... Specially now that Gary David is there and Bo Perasol knowing how to use him...

durden_tyler
01-27-2010, 12:39 PM
Oh man, i thought Coke would have an easier time against Rain or Shine, but Gabe and company are fighting and fighting real hard. It looks like the Tigers are now very tired and its just the third (big credit to ROS who pushed the advantage to double digits earlier.

In today's http://pba.com.ph/team_logos/coca-cola.jpg vs. http://pba.com.ph/team_logos/rainorshine_.jpg match-up, Coke currently has the 1 point lead late in the third quarter--- they better push this lead as is really really smelling an upset this late in the ball game.

(i found bigger logos. ;) )

tiffac
01-27-2010, 01:08 PM
RoS is giving Coke a beating... so much for a close game...

Joe Yabuki
01-27-2010, 01:15 PM
After a ho-hum start this conference, Sol is playing his best basketball yet, looks like Sol has finally been unleashed.

durden_tyler
01-27-2010, 01:15 PM
http://pba.com.ph/team_logos/coca-cola.jpg 84
http://pba.com.ph/team_logos/rainorshine_.jpg 99

What a game by Sol Mercado with 28 points and a bunch of threes! Actually the Rain or Shine team was hitting from all over. Gabe Norwood i believe had 13 points but had a few athletic blocked shots!

They deserve the win! i feel bad for Asi, he was playing his heart out but Rain or Shine was just too much.

da_dream
01-27-2010, 01:24 PM
congartz ros you guys deserve to win :D

raichu08
01-28-2010, 03:42 AM
Congrats to ROS

Tsar Josef
01-28-2010, 05:08 AM
In September 2008 as the Top Rookie Draft Choice, Rain or Shine gave Gabe Norwood a P8.7 million package for three years which is the maximum allowable for rookies that's spread at getting P150,000 a month in 2008, P225,000 2009 and P350,000 in 2010.

So based on that this year Gabe is to make P4.2 million in basic exclusive of bonuses and other benefits. In US Dollars that's approximately 89,849.18 using the Jan 27, 2010 Philippine Peso to US Dollar exhange rate of Philippine P46.745 per US $1.00.

Please note that a P350 thousand per month contract is the maximum amount which a PBA team can give to a player.

Almost the same gross income of a Pinoy RN working in USA as a supervisor or at mid-management level...

nashill
01-28-2010, 05:20 AM
Almost the same gross income of a Pinoy RN working in USA as a supervisor or at mid-management level...

but that is just the declared salary. not included are the bonuses, benefits, sponsorships, business opportunities. might actually include profit sharing. cost of living in manila should also be considered, if not, most of filipino here in singapore might actually earning more than him.

and the fact that you are just playing a basketball. so the stress is not much compared to other professionals...

nardy
01-28-2010, 05:24 AM
Almost the same gross income of a Pinoy RN working in USA as a supervisor or at mid-management level...

maybe that's why Omanzie Rodriguez had quitted the PBA and studied nursing so with Tommy Babilonia who instead of playing college basketball opted to concentrate in getting a nursing degree.

ogre
01-28-2010, 07:38 AM
Business tycoon Danding Cojuangco ‘fine and well’—son

By Carla Gomez
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 14:31:00 01/28/2010

Filed Under: business, Politics, Health, People

BACOLOD CITY – "My dad is fine and well."

That was how Representative Mark Cojuangco (Pangasinan, 5th District) described the condition of his father, business tycoon Eduardo "Danding" Cojuangco Jr. amid speculation that he was gravely ill and was hospitalized again.

His father was briefly hospitalized but has since gone home, the congressman said in a phone interview Wednesday night.

He said his father underwent heart procedure
called ablation by microwave, in the United States in November last year.

An ablation is used to treat abnormal heart rhythms or arrhythmias through surgical or non-surgical procedure.

"All procedures done on my dad in the US were completely successful," Cojuangco said.

But the medicine prescribed to him there did not agree with his stomach as it turned out, the congressman said.

"This has led to apprehensions about the condition of his stomach, leading to more tests being done," the lawmaker added.

On hindsight, Cojuangco said, if his father had undergone a complete executive checkup, he would not have had to go back and forth to the hospital.

Cojuangco, 74, is the chairman of San Miguel Corp. and chairman emeritus of the Nationalist People's Coalition, the party he founded in 1992.

Bacolod Mayor Evelio Leonardia, who was with the Cojuangcos at their home in Quezon City Wednesday night, also confirmed that the elder Cojuangco was fine and at home.

Source: INQ7.net

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20100128-249950/Business-tycoon-Danding-Cojuangco-fine-and-wellson


Cojuangco’s sons deny rivalry with Ang in SMC

By Daxim Lucas
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 19:56:00 01/28/2010

Filed Under: business

MANILA, Philippines -- Don’t expect any fireworks in San Miguel Corp. between the Cojuangco scions and company president Ramon S. Ang despite rumors about the brewing tension between the two parties.

Former lawmaker Carlos “Charlie” Cojuangco stressed that he and his brother have distanced themselves from the affairs of one of the country’s largest conglomerates on orders from their father, Eduardo Jr. or “Danding.”

“We have no rivalry. We are good soldiers, let’s leave it at that,” he said, when asked about the brothers’ supposed rivalry with Ang, who has been running SMC as its president and chief operating officer.

Persistent reports about the elder Cojuangco’s poor health regularly generate rumors about rivalries among family members and associates. The business tycoon is often the subject of rumors regarding his role as a political kingpin. His advancing age and poor health are often the topics of anonymous text messages being circulated, including at least three instances over the past year reporting his supposed death.

“Me and my brother [Mark], we know our place,” the younger Cojuangco said when asked about their future role in SMC. “You’re not gonna get more from me. What I said is a lot. If you know how to read between the lines, that’s what it is.”

Cojuangco said that his father has had a very “high degree of confidence” in the business acumen of Ang, who, over the last two years, engineered the transformation of SMC from a food and beverage firm into a conglomerate with interests in power generation and distribution, telecommunications, banking, property development and infrastructure -- all while retaining majority control of the traditional food business units.

When asked whether their being “good soldiers” in allowing Ang free rein to manage SMC was on account of their father’s wishes, he said, “Yes, we follow orders.”

Interviewed during a visit to the Philippine Daily Inquirer Wednesday night, the younger Cojuangco said that he and his brother have not been planning to be actively involved in the management of SMC.

“That company is not ours,” he said, explaining the nature of the SMC as a publicly listed firm. “If ever that ends up with us [in the event that ongoing legal battles go the Cojuangcos’ way], we’re just stockholders.”

“For us, being stockholders of an institution, we don’t want the institution to shrink,” he said. “We want it to grow. I’m a small shareholder, with only a few thousand shares to my name.”

Cojuangco sought to put to rest talk about any rivalry with Ang, saying that they were “not competing for the same space.”

“We’re not part of the management of the company so there’s no competition,” he said, adding he even felt frustrated at having been prohibited by his father from doing business with SMC, on corporate governance grounds.

Asked about his father’s health, the younger Cojuangco said Danding has been undergoing treatment for an irregular heartbeat and and not cancer, as often rumored.

He explained that his father’s condition has been improving since he returned for a medical procedure in the US in late 2009, and made several visits to St. Luke’s Medical Center recently.

During one such confinement in December 2009, Danding voluntarily gave up his hospital suite in St. Luke’s and moved to another room in the basement to give way to President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, who underwent an executive checkup on the same weekend.

President Arroyo later visited the tycoon in his room when she learned that he was also confined in the same hospital, Cojuangco confirmed.

durden_tyler
01-28-2010, 10:19 PM
Back to the Araneta coliseum, the quarterfinals begin later today at 5 pm. This is going to be a best-of-five affair and it's the all-important first game(s) tonight.

http://pba.com.ph/team_logos/purefoods.jpg vs. http://pba.com.ph/team_logos/rainorshine_.jpg

http://pba.com.ph/team_logos/ginebra.jpg vs. http://pba.com.ph/team_logos/talkntext.jpg

LordOfLeyte
01-28-2010, 10:48 PM
Purefoods needs a fully committed James Yap. Let's hope his private matters are on the healthy terms. I'll side with Purefoods on this one as my tigers tried to take a bite off RoS but elasto paint was toxic.

kaiziken_pinas
01-29-2010, 01:16 AM
I'm watching the second game later.

TNT vs Ginebra is fit for the Finals. Damn!

neo
01-29-2010, 02:20 AM
I'm watching the second game later.

TNT vs Ginebra is fit for the Finals. Damn!

yes unlike a smb-ginebra where ....no need to explain :rolleyes:

neo
01-29-2010, 02:21 AM
Purefoods needs a fully committed James Yap. Let's hope his private matters are on the healthy terms. I'll side with Purefoods on this one as my tigers tried to take a bite off RoS but elasto paint was toxic.

yap will score 30 points, if not 40 points, in at least one game in this series :D

durden_tyler
01-29-2010, 03:13 AM
yap will score 30 points, if not 40 points, in at least one game in this series :D

And Norwood will shut him down in the other games! :D

Rain or Shine, 3-1 for the series! (i hope, i love underdogs)

tiffac
01-29-2010, 03:19 AM
I'm watching the second game later.

TNT vs Ginebra is fit for the Finals. Damn!

Its always fun and entertaining to see BGK vs TNT since there is a little history between the team.

and Tubis vs Cardona never fails and is always epic for me. lolz

and we have the new talk of the town in Intal, so this is a quarters to watch.

Expect a jam pack Araneta tonight.

neo
01-29-2010, 03:40 AM
And Norwood will shut him down in the other games! :D

Rain or Shine, 3-1 for the series! (i hope, i love underdogs)

i also like underdogs and it would be nice to see ROS make it to the semis after many people gave up on them during the elims.

however, although i am not a purefoods fan i will root for them because i am symphatetic to adducul (for his battle with an illness) and yap (with all his showbiz-like troubles :D).

purefoods in 3.

durden_tyler
01-29-2010, 03:48 AM
i also like underdogs and it would be nice to see ROS make it to the semis after many people gave up on them during the elims.

however, although i am not a purefoods fan i will root for them because i am symphatetic to adducul (for his battle with an illness) and yap (with all his showbiz-like troubles :D).

purefoods in 3.

If rumors are true, karma (more than Norwood will) will hound Yap in this series :D

neo
01-29-2010, 03:54 AM
If rumors are true, karma will hound Yap in this series :D

hopefully not. i remember it was during the aftermath of "hope" controversy that he nailed his back-to-back 40 point game. so im betting for a yap scoring fest in the midst of another contreversy :)

however, purefoods did lost in the wildcard round that time, so maybe karma did hound him :rolleyes:

kaiziken_pinas
01-29-2010, 04:38 AM
Its always fun and entertaining to see BGK vs TNT since there is a little history between the team.

and Tubid vs Cardona never fails and is always epic for me. lolz

and we have the new talk of the town in Intal, so this is a quarters to watch.

Expect a jam pack Araneta tonight.

I wanna watch the game so much since those teams are my favorites.

Expect a full house tonight.


yap will score 30 points, if not 40 points, in at least one game in this series

we'll see him vs Norwood later on

donno
01-29-2010, 06:02 AM
Purefoods vs. Rain or Shine

Key match-ups:

Roger Yap (6'2) vs. Sol Mercado (6'0)- Advantage: Mercado
James Yap (6'3) vs. Ryan Arana (6'1)- Advantage: Yap
Rico Maierhoffer (6'4) vs. Gabe Norwood (6'5)- Advantage: Norwood
Kerby Raymundo (6'5) vs. Mike Hrabak (6'5)- Advantage: Raymundo
Rafi Reavis (6'8) vs. Jay-R Reyes (6'8)- Advantage: Reyes
Marc Pingris (6'4) vs. Eddie Laure (6'3)- Advantage: Pingris
Paul Artadi (5'9) vs. Ty Tang (5'9)- Advantage: Artadi
KG Canaleta (6'6) vs. Jeff Chan (6'2)- Advantage: Canaleta
PJ Simon (6'2) vs. Jireh Ibanes (6'2)- Advantage: Simon
Rommel Adducul (6'5) vs. Jervy Cruz (6'4)- Advantage: Cruz
Jondan Salvador (6'5) vs. Mark Telan (6'6)- Advantahe: Telan
Chris Timberlake (5'11) vs. Marcy Arellano (5'10)- Advantage: Arellano
Ryan Gregorio vs. Caloy Garcia- Advantage: Gregorio:D

PF- 7
ROS- 6

Prediction: PF in 5 games

Ginebra vs. Talk N'Text

Key match-ups:

Celino Cruz (5'9) vs. Jimmy Alapag (5'9)- Advantage: Alapag
Ronald Tubid (6'1) vs. Mac-Mac Cardona (6'1)- Advantage: Tubid
JC Intal (6'4) vs. Jared Dillinger (6'4)- Advantage: Dillinger
Willy Wilson (6'3) vs. Harvey Carey (6'4)- Advantage: Carey
Eric Menk (6'5) vs. Ali Peek (6'4)- Advantage: Menk
Cyrus Baguio (6'2) vs. Ren-Ren Ritualo (6'0)- Advantage: Baguio
Billy Mamaril (6'5) vs. Ranidel De Ocampo (6'5)- Advantage: De Ocampo
Enrico Villanueva (6'5) vs. Yancy De Ocampo (6'9)- Advantage: Villanueva
Kevin White (5'10) vs. Jason Castro (5'11)- Advantage: Castro
Sunday Salvacion (6'2) vs. Orlando Daroya (NA)- Advanatge: Salvacion
Johnny Abarrientos (5'8) vs. Pong Escobal (5'9)- Advantage: None
Rich Alvarez (6'3) vs. Mark Isip (6'5)- Advantage: None
Jong Uichico vs. Chot Reyes- Advantage: Uichico

BGK- 6
TNT- 5

Prediction: BGK in 5 games

tamagurl87
01-29-2010, 07:11 AM
i always thought that the coming PF vs RoS game will be interesting

Alex07
01-29-2010, 07:14 AM
Purefoods vs. Rain or Shine

Key match-ups:

Roger Yap (6'2) vs. Sol Mercado (6'0)- Advantage: Mercado
James Yap (6'3) vs. Ryan Arana (6'1)- Advantage: Yap
Rico Maierhoffer (6'4) vs. Gabe Norwood (6'5)- Advantage: Norwood
Kerby Raymundo (6'5) vs. Mike Hrabak (6'5)- Advantage: Raymundo
Rafi Reavis (6'8) vs. Jay-R Reyes (6'8)- Advantage: Reyes
Marc Pingris (6'4) vs. Eddie Laure (6'3)- Advantage: Pingris
Paul Artadi (5'9) vs. Ty Tang (5'9)- Advantage: Artadi
KG Canaleta (6'6) vs. Jeff Chan (6'2)- Advantage: Canaleta
PJ Simon (6'2) vs. Jireh Ibanes (6'2)- Advantage: Simon
Rommel Adducul (6'5) vs. Jervy Cruz (6'4)- Advantage: Cruz
Jondan Salvador (6'5) vs. Mark Telan (6'6)- Advantahe: Telan
Chris Timberlake (5'11) vs. Marcy Arellano (5'10)- Advantage: Arellano
Ryan Gregorio vs. Caloy Garcia- Advantage: Gregorio:D

PF- 7
ROS- 6

Prediction: PF in 5 games

Ginebra vs. Talk N'Text

Key match-ups:

Celino Cruz (5'9) vs. Jimmy Alapag (5'9)- Advantage: Alapag
Ronald Tubid (6'1) vs. Mac-Mac Cardona (6'1)- Advantage: Tubid
JC Intal (6'4) vs. Jared Dillinger (6'4)- Advantage: Dillinger
Willy Wilson (6'3) vs. Harvey Carey (6'4)- Advantage: Carey
Eric Menk (6'5) vs. Ali Peek (6'4)- Advantage: Menk
Cyrus Baguio (6'2) vs. Ren-Ren Ritualo (6'0)- Advantage: Baguio
Billy Mamaril (6'5) vs. Ranidel De Ocampo (6'5)- Advantage: De Ocampo
Enrico Villanueva (6'5) vs. Yancy De Ocampo (6'9)- Advantage: Villanueva
Kevin White (5'10) vs. Jason Castro (5'11)- Advantage: Castro
Sunday Salvacion (6'2) vs. Orlando Daroya (NA)- Advanatge: Salvacion
Johnny Abarrientos (5'8) vs. Pong Escobal (5'9)- Advantage: None
Rich Alvarez (6'3) vs. Mark Isip (6'5)- Advantage: None
Jong Uichico vs. Chot Reyes- Advantage: Uichico

BGK- 6
TNT- 5

Prediction: BGK in 5 games

I wish they could just do it like this and not play anymore..this is really scientific

Aqua Light
01-29-2010, 08:02 AM
hope BGK wins series against TNT

durden_tyler
01-29-2010, 09:39 AM
hope BGK wins series against TNT

i hope not. :D 3/4 of the people in the office are Ginebra fans. :D

durden_tyler
01-29-2010, 09:56 AM
hopefully not. i remember it was during the aftermath of "hope" controversy that he nailed his back-to-back 40 point game. so im betting for a yap scoring fest in the midst of another contreversy :)

however, purefoods did lost in the wildcard round that time, so maybe karma did hound him :rolleyes:

No karma and no problem for James in the first half. He has 20 points already!

Joe Yabuki
01-29-2010, 12:18 PM
Ginebra is being blown away in the 1st half, the TnT fans and BGK fans' conversations are starting to heat up in the chat room of the stream :D

neo
01-29-2010, 02:11 PM
No karma and no problem for James in the first half. He has 20 points already!

yap with 31 points hehe...like i said, scoring fest for yap in this series and he'll score 30 or 40 in at least one game.hopefully, it ain't a fluke and he'll torch ROS the whole series.

neo
01-29-2010, 02:13 PM
PUREFOODS VS ROS (1-0)
source: pba.com.ph


James Yap scored a conference-high 31 points and combined with Roger Yap for successive threes in the closing minutes of the fourth quarter that lifted Purefoods to a 90-85 victory against Rain or Shine in the opener of their KFC PBA Philippine Cup quarterfinal series Friday at the Araneta Coliseum.

The game nearly turned ugly the closing seconds when Sol Mercado confronted Roger Yap after a botched play by the Elasto Painters.

“We expected a tough Game 1 because momentum was on their side,” said Purefoods head coach Ryan Gregorio in the post-game interview referring to Rain or Shine’s back-to-back wins in the wildcard that got the Elasto Painters in the playoffs.

Game 2 of the best-of-five series is scheduled Sunday also at the Big Dome.

The Elasto Painters, the first ninth seeded team to make the wildcard since Sta. Lucia Realty in the 2008 Fiesta Conference, stayed close throughout the game but the Giants’ defense kept them from taking control.

The Giants appeared rusty coming off a week-long break but James Yap found his offensive rhythm early to help Purefoods got off to good start.

With his domestic problems apparently resolved, James Yap shot 12 of 21 including 3 of 5 3-pointers. He also had three assist and one block.

It was the 2006 league MVP’s 18th 30-plus game in the league.

“Probably his mind is clear now. Besides he knows we’re counting on him to get us to the next level,” said Gregorio of his superstar shooter.

The Purefoods coach maintained though that defense will be their key to winning this series.

“At the locker room I told the players that if we’re gonna win this game it will be with our defense. And true enough, we made key stops and crucial blocks in the stretch and that was it.”

A three by Eddie Laure pulled Rain or Shine within 88-85 with 2:04 remaining and the Elast Painters had a chance to move closer when Purefoods missed their next three shots.

But Roger Yap (15 points) underscored Purefoods’ distinction as the conference’s top defensive team by deflecting a pass by Mercado in the closing seconds that took any chance by the Elasto Painters to turn the game around.

Rain or Shine went 10 of 25 from beyond the arc, five more than Purefoods which took 19 attempts from the trifecta zone. But the Elasto Painters shooting went cold late in the fourth quarter when they desperately needed a run.

Purefoods enjoyed the game’s biggest lead at 69-60 late in the third quarter but Rain or Shine rallied behind Mercado, Ryan Arana and Mark Telan, whose 3-pointer tied the count at 73-73 at the end of the period.

Another three by Mercado to open the fourth put Rain or Shine ahead before Marc Pingris made two free throws and Roger Yap hit back-to-back baskets to give the Giants a 79-76 lead.

An undergoal stab by Telan made it a one-point game but Roger Yap and James Yap came through with successive treys and Purefoods took the lead for good.

Arane led Rain or Shine with 19 points while Mercado, who took just 10 attempts, added 17 and six assists.

“We gave Roger (Yap) and the other defenders clips of Rain or Shine’s game against Sta. Lucia and Coca-Cola to show them Mercado’s strong and weak points. I guess that helped us to contain him,” Gregorio said. (DBC)

The scores:

Purefoods 90 - Yap J. 31, Yap R. 17, Raymundo 12, Maierhofer 9, Pingris 6, Reavis 5, Artadi 4, Canaleta 2, Adducul 2, Allado 2, Timberlake 0.

Rain or Shine 85 - Arana 19, Mercado 17, Laure 16, Norwood 12, Telan 9, Reyes 4, Chan 3, Hrabak 3, Ibanes 2, Cruz 0, Alfad 0, Arellano 0.

Quarterscores: 23-22, 51-48, 73-73, 90-85.

neo
01-29-2010, 03:39 PM
Barako Bull can’t pay players’ salaries on time
By FRANCIS SANTIAGOJanuary 29, 2010, 5:43pm (mb.com.ph)

In a clear indication that Barako Bull is struggling financially, a player in its current roster admitted that the PBA team is having problems paying his salary on time.

Alex Crisano, the Energy Boosters’ power forward, who is known for his inside game, tattoos all over his body and funny antics, admitted he is affected by the delay of his salary but said he understood the plight that the company is going through right now.

“(My salary) It’s delayed for weeks. Sometimes, I have a hard time paying my bills at home, but I understand them (Barako Bull),” said the 33-year-old Crisano after gracing the SCOOP session at Kamayan in Padre Faura in Manila last Friday.

Crisano, whose contract with Barako Bull ends after the current Philippine Cup, disclosed that his teammates are also facing the same dilemma.

“You should understand why we play like this (bad) in the PBA. They (teammates) are also getting paid delayed,” Crisano, who also played for Ginebra Gin Kings, said.
“The management should understand that we are also representing its brand.”

Barako Bull was eliminated from the current Cup after it absorbed a 91-89 heart breaker from Coca-Cola last week. The Energy Boosters finished the double-round robin elimination phase with 3-15 win-loss card.

Asked if there is certainty that his contract will be renewed for the next conference, Crisano said: “I don’t know. One thing is for sure, I’m just here.”

From dribbling the basketball, Crisano said he wants to try playing with microphone this time as he ventures on a rap career.

“I will be coming out with a rap album in a few months where I will be rapping in tag-lish,” said Crisano, boasting that he will be teaming up rapper Andrew E in some cuts.

“People always misinterpret me. They see me as a bad guy because of my tattoos. But with the rap songs I will do, I could really express who really I am and that I will show I love being Pinoy,” he said while pointing on a tattoo of the Philippine flag on his neck.

Silent Killer
01-29-2010, 04:56 PM
alex crisano a rapper? haha :D

ogre
01-29-2010, 05:11 PM
Barako Bull can’t pay players’ salaries on time
By FRANCIS SANTIAGOJanuary 29, 2010, 5:43pm (mb.com.ph)

In a clear indication that Barako Bull is struggling financially, a player in its current roster admitted that the PBA team is having problems paying his salary on time.

Alex Crisano, the Energy Boosters’ power forward, who is known for his inside game, tattoos all over his body and funny antics, admitted he is affected by the delay of his salary but said he understood the plight that the company is going through right now.

“(My salary) It’s delayed for weeks. Sometimes, I have a hard time paying my bills at home, but I understand them (Barako Bull),” said the 33-year-old Crisano after gracing the SCOOP session at Kamayan in Padre Faura in Manila last Friday.

Crisano, whose contract with Barako Bull ends after the current Philippine Cup, disclosed that his teammates are also facing the same dilemma.

“You should understand why we play like this (bad) in the PBA. They (teammates) are also getting paid delayed,” Crisano, who also played for Ginebra Gin Kings, said.
“The management should understand that we are also representing its brand.”

Barako Bull was eliminated from the current Cup after it absorbed a 91-89 heart breaker from Coca-Cola last week. The Energy Boosters finished the double-round robin elimination phase with 3-15 win-loss card.

Asked if there is certainty that his contract will be renewed for the next conference, Crisano said: “I don’t know. One thing is for sure, I’m just here.”

From dribbling the basketball, Crisano said he wants to try playing with microphone this time as he ventures on a rap career.

“I will be coming out with a rap album in a few months where I will be rapping in tag-lish,” said Crisano, boasting that he will be teaming up rapper Andrew E in some cuts.

“People always misinterpret me. They see me as a bad guy because of my tattoos. But with the rap songs I will do, I could really express who really I am and that I will show I love being Pinoy,” he said while pointing on a tattoo of the Philippine flag on his neck.

A 9-digit unserviceable debt. A couple of career bank officers already lost their jobs because of this.

ricodgame
01-30-2010, 12:45 AM
Alex Crisano is a good rapper.. Saw him rap during Showtime.

Cammomile
01-30-2010, 01:00 AM
Alex Crisano is a good rapper.. Saw him rap during Showtime.

What does he RAP about? getting money and fame? or ala francis M?just curious..

cod3breaker
01-30-2010, 02:00 AM
What does he RAP about? getting money and fame? or ala francis M?just curious..

Check out his performance. :D

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kaiziken_pinas
01-30-2010, 02:03 AM
what is the lebanese Coach doing here?

The_Big_Cat
01-30-2010, 08:00 AM
i hope not. :D 3/4 of the people in the office are Ginebra fans. :D

And I hope they don't drink Ginebra during office hours. :D

durden_tyler
01-31-2010, 01:17 AM
And I hope they don't drink Ginebra during office hours. :D

1/4 would be SMB fans... And they do drink Red Horse. Not sure if others do it during office hours :D

Anyway... Pair of Game 2's tonight! GO TNT i really want that sweep :D

durden_tyler
01-31-2010, 10:12 AM
Exciting TNT and Gin tiff. And saw Toroman behind the TNT bench. :)

durden_tyler
01-31-2010, 10:31 AM
After Intal makes back to back three pointers, he misses and chokes from the line! He however, makes the second one to give Ginebra a 105-104 lead. 3.3 seconds left, TNT ball.

kaiziken_pinas
01-31-2010, 10:36 AM
WHAT A play! Ocampo to Dillinger! WOW!

Shades of LA Tenorio!

anyway naka-porma si Coach Toroman! haha!

durden_tyler
01-31-2010, 10:36 AM
What a freaking play by Chot and TNT!

Ranidel inbounding, Alapag with the hardscreen on Dillinger's man (i think, i have to watch the replay) Dillinger cuts hard on the other side, Ranidel makes a pinpoint pass on the other side, Dillinger jumps (pass was even a bit too high but not for Dillinger) and gets the easy easy alley-oop. Wow. Sucks to be a Ginebra fan now!

2-0 in favor of TNT!

Pating0309
01-31-2010, 10:37 AM
After Intal makes back to back three pointers, he misses and chokes from the line! He however, makes the second one to give Ginebra a 105-104 lead. 3.3 seconds left, TNT ball.

What a game by TNT! What an excellent play! So, c0ach T, hes hapi the win! Ü

kaiziken_pinas
01-31-2010, 10:38 AM
2-0 TNT! Back to back AFC champs!

(games wouldnt be jampacked if Ginebra gets eliminated)

Go TNT!

(big fan of both clubs!)

durden_tyler
01-31-2010, 10:42 AM
2-0 TNT! Back to back AFC champs!

(games wouldnt be jampacked if Ginebra gets eliminated)

Go TNT!

(big fan of both clubs!)

Who cares! :D As long as Ginebra gets eliminated!

kaiziken_pinas
01-31-2010, 10:43 AM
Who cares! :D As long as Ginebra gets eliminated!

haha. Araneta would be so silent.

If PF or SMB vs TNT, the stadium would be half full.

I still haven't gotten over the RP PAtriots win. Switched the channel to the PBA just in time to see that alley-oop play!

A GREAT day of Basketball! Proud to be Pinoy!

konstructura
01-31-2010, 10:58 AM
did anyone see cardona thrown a dirty finger to the crowd?

PUGOtipm
01-31-2010, 11:05 AM
did anyone see cardona thrown a dirty finger to the crowd?
He was signaling 1 more... it is a best of 5 series.

durden_tyler
01-31-2010, 11:11 AM
He was signaling 1 more... it is a best of 5 series.

i thought it was the finger too. But it wasn't and PUGOtipm is correct it was for: "one more freaking game"

i wish it was a finger though. It would have been worth it :D

konstructura
01-31-2010, 11:23 AM
i thought it was the finger too. But it wasn't and PUGOtipm is correct it was for: "one more freaking game"

i wish it was a finger though. It would have been worth it :D

just like what Tugade did against your team way back on his redbull days:D

neo
01-31-2010, 11:47 AM
i thought it was the finger too. But it wasn't and PUGOtipm is correct it was for: "one more freaking game"

i wish it was a finger though. It would have been worth it :D

a finger won't be enough to suspend him though and even without mac, tnt can blast bgk. what with the momentum and leverage they have now.

usually, i get myself drunk after such a game but i still harbor ill feeling toward bgk for their unacceptable loss on last year's fiesta cup.

f only jc was practicing freethrows with gilas :mad:

but nwei another good game 4 him. without him, this game won't even be a close one. its the other guys who have been choking the first 2 games of the quarters :mad::mad::mad:

neo
01-31-2010, 11:51 AM
Who cares! :D As long as Ginebra gets eliminated!

if tnt boots bgk, i'll root for the aces :D

durden_tyler
01-31-2010, 12:53 PM
And in the 2nd game Norwood has 21 points, 15 rebounds already :O with Rain or Shine holding a 1 point lead with 6 minutes and change to go...

tiffac
01-31-2010, 01:03 PM
As usual my Barangay can't shoot the crucial FT's. ^^;;

Oh Intal if you made them both, it would have been OT... Althought I don't think it would make difference. lolz!

But still I like OT :D

neo
01-31-2010, 02:05 PM
i was betting for a 3-0 sweep of PF over ROS but not TNT over BGK :eek:

nwei 1 more game to go and it's not a sure thing yet.nice pair of games though this sunday.too bad BGK lose again.



Sun, 01/31/2010 - 20:18

Jared Dillinger completed a perfectly executed alley-oop pass with 2.4 seconds remaining and Talk ‘N Text stole a 106-105 victory from Barangay Ginebra for 2-0 lead in their KFC-PBA Philippine Cup quarterfinals series Sunday night at the Araneta Coliseum.

The final play was a fitting end to game in which the Tropang Texters displayed exemplary courage and heart. They rallied from 18-points down in the third quarter and never lost hope even when time didn’t seem to be on their side.

After JC Intal split his free throws to give Ginebra a 105-104 lead with 3.3 remaining, TNT called two timeouts to talk things over.

When play resumed, Ranidel de Ocampo (16 points) threw the inbound pass to the unguarded Dillinger (14 points), who went for that alley-oop bank shot that gave the Tropang Texters a 106-105 lead with 2.4 seconds left.

“I wanted to dunk it. But I wanted it to be safe,” said Dillinger of the winning basket he claimed was the biggest shot of his career.

With no more timeouts left, Barangay Ginebra wasn’t even able to force a legitimate last shot at the other end as time expired.

“That’s the way basketball is. San Miguel (vs. Alaska ) and Alaska (vs. Talk 'N Text) did exactly the same kind play in the eliminations. We copied the same kind of movement when we needed it. As it is, you learn from others. The important thing is the ability to execute,” TNT coach Chot Reyes said afterwards.

Reyes said the first option was for Renren Ritualo to go through multiple screens.

“The other option was for Jimmy (Alapag). We know they would deny him so we made him to be a screener instead of receiver. But Ranidel did play it perfectly. He made a hell of a pass,” Reyes said.

“I’m truly proud of my players. We kept our heads and we stayed calm.”

More importantly, the defending champions are just a win away from advancing to semifinals against Alaska. They will try to wrap up the series Wednesday when they face the Kings in Game 3 of the best-of-five series.

Jason Castro turned in 19 points to lead six other Tropang Texters in double figures and kept the TNT in the game when the Kings threatened to pull away in the third quarter.

It was a jolting blow for the Kings, who appeared headed to levelling the series at one game apiece when they built a 61-43 lead on Willy Wilson’s basket to start the third period.

But they lost their poise when the Tropang Texters slowly clawed their way back. The Kings attempted from the 3-point range even when there was no need to and missed one too many. Genera went 10 of 31 from the trifecta zone.

But worst, Ginebra missed crucial free throws when the game was separated by just one or two points. The Kings went 29 of 45 from the free throw line and 5 of 16 in the fourth quarter.

“Game Two is lot tougher. I expect the next game to be 10 times tougher. So it’s very important that we come into the game with a sense or urgency,” Reyes said.

JC Intal finished with 23 points and his back-to-back three in the final minute of the fourth gave Ginebra a 104-102 lead. Ronald Tubid, who managed just two points in the series’ opener, came away with 20 points but went silent in the fourth quarter. (DBC)

The scores:

Talk ‘N Text 106 -- Castro 19, Carey 17, De Ocampo R. 16, Dillinger 14, Alapag 13, Cardona 11, Peek 10, Belasco 4, De Guzman 1, Ritualo 1, De Ocampo 0.

Barangay Ginebra 105 -- Intal 23, Tubid 21, Wilson 15, White 9, Baguio 9, Villanueva 9, Caguio 9, Menk 9, Cruz 2, Alvarez 0, Slvacion 0.

Quarterscores: 24-27; 43-59; 78-82; 106-105

KevinDurant
01-31-2010, 02:07 PM
Barrios is a mad man these days, the crowd drawer on the brink of elimination.

durden_tyler
01-31-2010, 02:35 PM
^ Again., who cares about Barrios' feelings :D i am glad Ginebra is on the brink. One good thing if GINS get eliminated is that conspiracy theories will temporarily cease ;)

And on the last play of the ROS-PF tiff and Eddie Laure's Amazing Basketball IQ:

Wasted his own respectable performance. Wasted Gabe's amazing 20+ points, 15+ rebounds out put. Wasted Sol's explosion (after a bad Game One) Wasted Rain or Shine's chance to tie this series (now it's virtually over, they are so fatigued now after wins over SLR and COK, it's improbable they'd win three in a row against an established PF team)

Waste. Waste. Waste. You don't give James Yap freebies. You don't foul the guy with 0.something left in the clock. If you lose with a difficult fade-away three with time expiring so be it. But you don't freaking foul.

(Obviously i am still fuming because i want that ROS upset but oh well...)

Stupid stupid Eddie Laure.

neo
01-31-2010, 02:57 PM
^ Again., who cares about Barrios' feelings :D i am glad Ginebra is on the brink. One good thing if GINS get eliminated is that conspiracy theories will temporarily cease ;)

And on the last play of the ROS-PF tiff and Eddie Laure's Amazing Basketball IQ:

Wasted his own respectable performance. Wasted Gabe's amazing 20+ points, 15+ rebounds out put. Wasted Sol's explosion (after a bad Game One) Wasted Rain or Shine's chance to tie this series (now it's virtually over, they are so fatigued now after wins over SLR and COK, it's improbable they'd win three in a row against an established PF team)

Waste. Waste. Waste. You don't give James Yap freebies. You don't foul the guy with 0.something left in the clock. If you lose with a difficult fade-away three with time expiring so be it. But you don't freaking foul.

(Obviously i am still fuming because i want that ROS upset but oh well...)

Stupid stupid Eddie Laure.


the coach is partly to blame.

and james yap owns this series :D

karirista
01-31-2010, 04:27 PM
And thanks to Laure, the gay coach and his gay minions may get to live another day...it'd be terrible if a gay coach breezes his way to the playoffs just by sucking the d!ck of Danding and him/her and the lead assistant calling each other FAFAAAA!

Joe Yabuki
01-31-2010, 08:02 PM
Stupid stupid Eddie Laure.

Laure probably realizes that he's on his way out on a talented and growing team like RoS, so he's prolly trying to make a "sideline" before he goes :rolleyes:

anyhow, i love Macmac's antics when he's facing against the BGK crowd, or should I say 99.9% of the people in Araneta, watching the game. He reminds me of Chris Jericho's character in wrestling, a lovable bad dude.

ricodgame
01-31-2010, 09:09 PM
What a freaking play by Chot and TNT!

Ranidel inbounding, Alapag with the hardscreen on Dillinger's man (i think, i have to watch the replay) Dillinger cuts hard on the other side, Ranidel makes a pinpoint pass on the other side, Dillinger jumps (pass was even a bit too high but not for Dillinger) and gets the easy easy alley-oop. Wow. Sucks to be a Ginebra fan now!

2-0 in favor of TNT!

actually chot reyes loves to design plays like these..

i remember before he designed a play similar to this one when he was still with pop cola.. i believe it is a inbound pass from poch juinio to rafi reavis..

durden_tyler
02-01-2010, 01:38 AM
actually chot reyes loves to design plays like these..

i remember before he designed a play similar to this one when he was still with pop cola.. i believe it is a inbound pass from poch juinio to rafi reavis..

Siot also had one of these earlier this season versus Alaska courtesy of Don Don Hontiveros.

So, it's Hontiveros vs. Alaska, then Cone gets a page off that book, applies it in Tenorio vs. TNT... then Chot gets a page of that book and uses it vs. Ginebra.

Ginebra is due for one sick buzzer beating game winning alleyoop then. :D

Iron Monkey
02-01-2010, 03:54 AM
^ Again., who cares about Barrios' feelings :D i am glad Ginebra is on the brink. One good thing if GINS get eliminated is that conspiracy theories will temporarily cease ;)


a scary scenario would be for BGK to come from behind and win the series :eek:

kaiziken_pinas
02-01-2010, 04:09 AM
a scary scenario would be for BGK to come from behind and win the series :eek:

possible. It'll only enforce the conspiracy theories. We wouldn't want that.
it'll only degrade the league's rep.

capitantiago
02-01-2010, 05:07 AM
And Norwood will shut him down in the other games! :D

Rain or Shine, 3-1 for the series! (i hope, i love underdogs)

i was waiting for norwood to shut james down. hahahaha
and for ros to take the win last night. hahahaha

epic fail? hahahaha

Iron Monkey
02-01-2010, 07:30 AM
possible. It'll only enforce the conspiracy theories. We wouldn't want that.
it'll only degrade the league's rep.

yeah hopefully TNT will get the job done.

Aqua Light
02-01-2010, 07:53 AM
possible. It'll only enforce the conspiracy theories. We wouldn't want that.
it'll only degrade the league's rep.

I agree, though i'm a ginebra fan i want them to win fair & square

durden_tyler
02-01-2010, 09:11 AM
i was waiting for norwood to shut james down. hahahaha
and for ros to take the win last night. hahahaha

epic fail? hahahaha

INDEED. But heck, go Rain or Shine!

tiffac
02-01-2010, 03:56 PM
a scary scenario would be for BGK to come from behind and win the series :eek:

Nah this Gins team does not have the talent to compete with TNT, I would love to see it but nah I doubt it and its been history that this current TNT has always have the number of this current BGK team.

Uto-uto PBA Fans
02-02-2010, 12:31 AM
Only beer can stop the gins. San Miguel Beer and Barangay Ginebra Kings are destined to do war in the finals because it is the will of the people and the people has spoken! Alien!:D

kaiziken_pinas
02-02-2010, 01:14 AM
Only beer can stop the gins. San Miguel Beer and Barangay Ginebra Kings are destined to do war in the finals because it is the will of the people and the people has spoken! Alien!:D

kiss my feet.

durden_tyler
02-02-2010, 02:31 PM
kiss my feet.

Thank you, somebody had to put him in his place. ;)

manu_bol
02-02-2010, 02:37 PM
satire, sarcasm... :D

don't take uto-uto seriously, bros. ;)