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Toxicity
12-06-2009, 03:07 AM
Born just in the 1988 but he's the best italian player right now... easily.

Stats in the italian league so far (Biella 6-3):

19.2 ppg (56.3% from 2, 53.7% from 3 and 85.4% from FT)
5.1 rpg
22.4 per
30.0 mpg

He may have a shot at the next NBA draft...

Toxicity
12-09-2009, 11:10 PM
no love for Pietro?? :(

rikhardur
12-09-2009, 11:47 PM
Thanks for sharing this Tox. I didn't have the chance to see him play yet, is he a player in the mold of Belinelli?

Toxicity
12-10-2009, 09:01 PM
Thanks for sharing this Tox. I didn't have the chance to see him play yet, is he a player in the mold of Belinelli?

Well, no. He's a different player... he's much more physical than Marco (reminds of Delfino a little bit... see his RPG) but also a worst athlete (he doesn't do 360 dunks like Belinelli used to do)... has a better accuracy on his jumper and 3p shot (he's improved a lot since his early days) as you can see from his percentages. I think he's the most complete offensive player we have in Italy (Gallinari apart)... he can do it all offensively... slashing, shooting, scoring down-low with excellent post moves, after offensive rebs, on fast-break, making some assists, etc... has the total package on offense. His NBA upside may be limited given his average athleticism and somewhat mediocre defense (not the greatest footwork) but his desire to emerge and hustling plays make him to be loved by basket fans... at worst he'll be a very good Euroleague player.

rikhardur
12-11-2009, 12:21 AM
Pietro Aradori 4 years later

Back in 2006, at the beginning of this website, Pietro Aradori was one of the first players that I covered as he was a major factor for the Italian team at the Albert-Schweitzer Tournament. I scouted him later on again in 2007 at the U20 European Championship in Gorizia and now, at the edge of 2010, Aradori is living up to the high expectations I had on him back then.

When I read what I have written in 2006 on Aradori, some of the characteristics could be copy/pasted like this to a current scouting report.

"Physically, he looks well developed and showed some interesting athleticism. He can pull up the three point jumper off the screen with ease. He can connect to the open player but goes more for his own shot. Near the basket on post up moves, he can go either with the left or the right hand."

When I saw now recent games of Aradori in the Italian League with Biella, most of this is still valid. The 1m93 tall guard looks pretty mature physically, not being a typical athlete type but strong and present on the court with a certain aura. The 1988 born player, who is automatically in the NBA Draft 2010, is the major offensive threat of his team, as he is simply the best Italian scorer in the whole Lega. His scorer qualities are really above average and he has a full arsenal of possibilities to put the ball through the net.

First of all, he has a shot that has a nice and quick release and that he can take out of every situation. When he has the ball, he can create his own shot either by using the pick, by driving against his opponent in one-on-one situation or after a good cross-over dribbling. His shot looks even better when he can fire it up in catch-and-shot situations when he had the time to prepare. His release is however a bit in front of his face at moments which is a little problem when playing against taller player. But his quick mechanics make this not that important.

His drives are pretty powerful and he can conclude them close to the rim with underhand scores on unorthodox “euro-steps” or by going for some running floaters. His good offensive fundamentals help him in those situations as he can go strong to the basket with both hands. His confidence level right now is pretty high so that even the tough lay-ups and scores fall for him.

A very interesting part of his game is that he has quite a good back-to-the-basket arsenal. You can see him several times go to the low post as soon as he gets defended by a smaller player. He recognizes these situations well and sends away his team mates to play the isolation on one side. He backs them up then and can score either with the hook or the turn around fade-away jump-shot, a jump shot that has a nice high flying curve.

Aradori excels also in the open court as he likes to run and finish strong at the basket. You can see him not afraid at all going for the dunk on the break even with a defender on him (watch No3 play of the Top 10 plays here for an example). On this particular play, you see also the flair he has on defense to go for the steal. But when talking about the defense, we have to mention also the downturn of the Italian guard.

His lateral speed is far from being good and he gets beat on one-on-one situations easily. Additionally, his defensive positioning is improvable as you can see him getting lost quite some times in defense not seeing the ball and the man. This brings him in difficult situations in the defensive rebound where he can not box out his man all the time. However, he is still a decent rebounder for his size as he shows a good feel for the ball and excellent timing. If he improves in his defensive orientation, he can become even a great rebounder for a guard.

A negative point that could be added on the offensive end is that Aradori tries most of his passes out of the jump, an error that he absolutely needs to overcome in the next years as it ends up several times in a turnover. His court-vision is decent but he needs to use it better and not going always for these jump-passes. Because he sees the open man and also recognizes double-team situations on post-up for example. He also needs to work a bit more off the ball, as he is clearly a player that wants the ball in his hands and feels a bit lost when not implicated in the offense.

After several different teams over the last years, Pietro Aradori has now found the perfect situation in Biella to develop in the season of the NBA Draft. If he gets a look at in the 2nd round is however questionable because of his limits in athleticism on NBA level. However, there are not that many scoring talents like him currently in the 1988 generation. Together with Marco Belinelli, Andrea Bargnani and Daniel Hackett, the Italian National Team is at least sure to have enough scoring power for the upcoming years.
http://www.europeanprospects.com/1988-born/guard-1988-born/pietro-aradori-guard-1988-born-1988-born/pietro-aradori-4-years-later/

Toxicity
12-11-2009, 12:35 PM
http://www.europeanprospects.com/1988-born/guard-1988-born/pietro-aradori-guard-1988-born-1988-born/pietro-aradori-4-years-later/

Nice analysis on Pietro... but to mention Hackett as an offensive player while he can't average 10 ppg... :rolleyes:

Trifilli
12-11-2009, 01:04 PM
I also first saw Aradori during some 2006 AST games. His huge talent was already visible back then, he was one of the best offensive players of the entire tournament, let alone Italy. He had a really nice first step, looked great on the open court and had a good looking shot as well, from all distances. However, I can't recall that I saw a more selfish player on such a level before. He just wouldn't pass, rather taking a terrible shot than finding the open man (which sometimes led to bad FG%).

Here's what I wrote about him / Italys last AST 06 game here on IBN about 3 1/2 years ago:


Lithuania - Italy 79:77 OT (Game for Place 5)
Topscorers Lithuania: Cepukaitis 16pts (12rbds, 3bs), Kleiza 12pts (7rbds)
Topscorers Italy: Aradori 23pts (8rbds, 4 TO), Tomassini 9pts (3ast, 3st), Ferrero 9pts (4rbds)

Lithuania played without Martynas Gecevicius and Marius Valukonis but still didn't look bad, the other players obviously wanted to show what they can do as well. I was a bit disappointed by the shooting abilities of the Liths, they clearly didn't have a single shooter on the floor - but on the other hand were much more athletic than I expected (at least some of the players) and played nice team basketball. Italy on the other hand was a one man show only (Aradori), something that should cost them the win in the end, having a bad coach on the bench, who obviously spent all his time shouting at the wrong players, while Aradori never was critisized. He is clearly their most talented player but way too selfish. In the first half Lithuania didn't find a way to stop him though but went into halftime with a lead anyways because of the many points they scored inside. In the 2nd half Italy looked better and managed to build a decent lead and everybody thought that the game was over but in the final minutes of the 4th Quarter Pietro Aradori destroyed his own team. Every time he got the ball he tried to do it all alone, the Liths understood this pretty fast and went into double/triple teams and he'd still not pass but rather take the bad shot. So Lithuania came back into the game and the (very good) Vaidas Cepukaitis scored a layup for the Overtime with only seconds to go.
In the overtime the same story continued on the Italian side and the Italian coach was obviously not willing to bench his star for not passing the ball at all. On the other hand Lithuania seemed to be nervous now and couldn't hit either so the game got close again. In the final seconds, Lithuania scored two for the lead, leaving the last attack to the Italians. Aradori once again tried to finish against three, missing the layup, the Liths got the defensive rebound but committed a stupid turnover on the fastbreak, leaving one more chance to Italy. Aradori once again got the ball and instead of passing to wide open teammate decided to take a very difficult triple against two defenders, barely hit the rim and the game was over. Lithuania deserved this win more because they played clever. The players that impressed me the most on their side were Darius Gvezdauskas, an already pretty athletic Guard with good ballhandling skills and great, pin-point passing skills - he looked like a pretty decent PG - and the skinny Center Vaidas Cepukaitis, who already has some decent moves and also had a nice timing in the Defense, rebounding and blocking shots - but he definately needs to add weight to be successful on a higher level. On the Italian side Aradori looked like the most talented player - but he definately needs to learn to pass the ball and not to play that selfish, he destroyed his team in the end despite being their best player.

I talked to a few scouts / agents back then, and everybody agreed that he had huge talent, but nobody liked his selfishness. I guess that's the reason why he's been a bit under the radar lateron. But I have to admit that I didn't see him play recently. If he improved that part of his game, if he learned (or learns) to pass, then he can easily have a nice Euroleague career, despite his defensive shotcomings.

robbe
12-11-2009, 01:31 PM
Saw him against Roma in November, when he had a very good game. There's no valid comparison that comes to mind for this player. He even looks a bit overweight, undersized for a wing player, and slow-footed [not to mention a lot older than he is], but he's strong and uses that strength when going to the basket. Able to post up, very efficient jumpshot, everything that Christophe wrote in his scouting report.

Toxicity
12-11-2009, 06:18 PM
I also first saw Aradori during some 2006 AST games. His huge talent was already visible back then, he was one of the best offensive players of the entire tournament, let alone Italy. He had a really nice first step, looked great on the open court and had a good looking shot as well, from all distances. However, I can't recall that I saw a more selfish player on such a level before. He just wouldn't pass, rather taking a terrible shot than finding the open man (which sometimes led to bad FG%).

Here's what I wrote about him / Italys last AST 06 game here on IBN about 3 1/2 years ago:



I talked to a few scouts / agents back then, and everybody agreed that he had huge talent, but nobody liked his selfishness. I guess that's the reason why he's been a bit under the radar lateron. But I have to admit that I didn't see him play recently. If he improved that part of his game, if he learned (or learns) to pass, then he can easily have a nice Euroleague career, despite his defensive shotcomings.

You was a little bit too stinky in your report... he was the main talent for Italy so he had to take all the shots or so... see Belinelli at youth level (similar thing because Italy usually has few talent in its youth NTs)...

Anyway i can assure you he's another player now, completely. He said the half season spent training with Repesa in Rome was a big part of his growth as player... now he's looking more for the pass and the assist (28th overall in the league) and he forces rarely (see high shooting %)... i think he's improved a lot since his youth day, even on defense.

A decent comparison? It may be Antonello Riva for the shot and the strong body... or at least Recalcati thinks so.

Trifilli
12-12-2009, 11:47 AM
You was a little bit too stinky in your report... he was the main talent for Italy so he had to take all the shots or so... see Belinelli at youth level (similar thing because Italy usually has few talent in its youth NTs)...

Have you been to Mannheim in 2006? I was there - and this is what I saw. There's a difference between being the go-to-guy of your team and between refusing to pass. It's obvious that Aradori had to be the go-to-guy, as he was clearly the most talented player of the team. But it's not acceptable that such a guy won't even pass out of a double or triple team (like it happened in the crunchtime of the 5th-place-game), when teammates are wide-open and he decides to take a really difficult shot instead of finding the open man. That's a flaw in a players game and this is what I - and some people I talked to back then - saw. Of course that's not a final verdict on a 16-year-old...


Anyway i can assure you he's another player now, completely. He said the half season spent training with Repesa in Rome was a big part of his growth as player... now he's looking more for the pass and the assist (28th overall in the league) and he forces rarely (see high shooting %)... i think he's improved a lot since his youth day, even on defense.

A decent comparison? It may be Antonello Riva for the shot and the strong body... or at least Recalcati thinks so.

That's good to hear. He already was a good shooter back then, but just forced the shots too much. If he has a better shot selection now, then his good % are self-explaining.
As I said in my previous post: if he improved on the passing stuff, then he can easily have a nice EL career, everybody agreed on that back then.