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manu_bol
11-17-2009, 01:10 AM
With the reported release of Giles from Smart Gilas, the search for a world-class foreign player continues...

http://www.nba.com/media/act_earl_barron.jpg
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http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/keith%20closs.jpg
http://www.eurobasket.com/AcPhotos_Players/Pruitt_Shaun.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/raptors/rapsampson_093008_200.jpg

sergio23
11-17-2009, 01:16 AM
Jamal Sampson this guy should be our next candidate.. I think he is good both on offense and defense

kaiziken_pinas
11-17-2009, 02:23 AM
ugh.... I hope they'll make it quick

Alex07
11-17-2009, 02:45 AM
Patrick O'Bryant
7 ft 0 in (2.13 m),
23 years old (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_O%27Bryant)

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- A bit thin but our trainers could work that out.
- has been playing in the NBA for three years
- he's just 23 years old.Very Ideal for naturalization
- a legit 7 footer who has a 7'6 wingspan.
- played for Toronto Raptors..Maybe coach Norman Black knows this guy

eindhow
11-17-2009, 02:51 AM
Kyle Jeffers?? He's 6'9" but he is good..

Alex07
11-17-2009, 02:52 AM
Kyle Jeffers?? He's 6'9" but he is good..

yeah..that guy can play too..and he'll not be too expensive

bhinov
11-17-2009, 02:53 AM
I don't like Kyle Jeffers. He's being pushed around easily. :D

Alex07
11-17-2009, 02:56 AM
I don't like Kyle Jeffers. He's being pushed around easily. :D

the guy is tougher than Giles..but Giles is way athletic than him

kitin_21
11-17-2009, 02:59 AM
kyle jeffers?? He's 6'9" but he is good..

no way kyle jeffers.....have you watched how he plays on singapore swingers?come on guys....

TrueBluePinoy
11-17-2009, 03:01 AM
With the unexpected events that have happened recently, I'm beginning to think that we need to find a candidate who's a legit "vet" in terms of attitude and experience a sort of big brother figure that everyone could look up to but still capable of producing quality numbers to compliment this raw, inexperienced, but very competitive team.

Alex07
11-17-2009, 03:04 AM
Earl Barron (7'') is 28
http://www.nba.com/media/act_earl_barron.jpg

Chris Alexander (7'1) is 29
http://i33.tinypic.com/35879q9.jpg

Keith Closs (7'3) is a dinosaur @ 33 years old
http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/keith%20closs.jpg

Jamal Sampson (6'11) is 26
http://images.google.com.ph/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image%3Fprovider_id%3D202%26size%3D550x550_mb% 26ptp_photo_id%3D84067&usg=AFQjCNFUp0DRqvN64U2puGNtld8cNInzeg

Shaun Pruitt, 6'10 is 23

http://www.eurobasket.com/AcPhotos_Players/Pruitt_Shaun.jpg

bhinov
11-17-2009, 03:06 AM
^

Jason Dixon?:D Joke

Actually, I'm really disappointed of CJ. He fits the running game of Gilas.

kaiziken_pinas
11-17-2009, 03:16 AM
I heared AI was waived by Memphis

Alex07
11-17-2009, 03:28 AM
I heared AI was waived by Memphis

just count days and he'll end up playing in Europe

nardy
11-17-2009, 03:31 AM
Firstly the player must be willing to give-up his current citizenship in order to become a Naturalized Filipino.

Secondly he is willing to get approximately US$15,000.00 per month salary which is big by Philippine standards but is a bit small by international levels.

Lebron23
11-17-2009, 03:33 AM
just count days and he'll end up playing in Europe

Donnie Walsh wants him to play for the New York Knicks.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/grizzlies-waive-iverson-could-knicks-be-interested-1.1593084

check
11-17-2009, 03:36 AM
How about getting Adam Morrison? I'm really sorry for the guy. He deserves to be in the starting five instead of the last guy for Lakers. What a stupd coach!

He looks asian too!

TrueBluePinoy
11-17-2009, 03:42 AM
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s54/speedyclaxton_2007/AdamGall400.jpg

How about getting Adam Morrison? I'm really sorry for the guy. He deserves to be in the starting five instead of the last guy for Lakers. What a stupd coach!

He looks asian too!

Nope. We need a big man.

bolabasket
11-17-2009, 03:46 AM
Giles out of Smart Gilas (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=524130&publicationSubCategoryId=69)


With Giles gone for good, the SBP is now scouting for a replacement. In the short list are 7-foot Earl Barron of the University of Memphis, 6-10 Shaun Pruitt of the University of Illinois and 6-11 Jamal Sampson of the University of California at Berkeley.

Barron, 28, played for Red Bull as a PBA import in 2005 then saw action for the Miami Heat in three NBA seasons. He went on to suit up in Italy and was cut by the New Orleans Hornets during the NBA offseason. Pruitt, who turns 24 next week, averaged 12.6 points and 7.3 rebounds for Illinois in the 2007-08 NCAA campaign. Sampson, 26, was Utah’s second round pick in the 2002 NBA draft and has played for Milwaukee, the Lakers, Charlotte, Sacramento and Denver in five NBA seasons.

Sampson is highly recommended by scouts. California coach Ben Braun said, “Jamal is such a presence on the court – he’s going to alter your game from a defensive standpoint because he can block shots and offensively, he’s a legitimate threat on the block and he can step out to the high post.”

In 2004-05, Sampson averaged an NBA career high 5.3 rebounds with Charlotte. At Mater Dei High School in Santa Ana, California, Sampson averaged 16.5 points, 10 rebounds and 2.4 blocked shots as he led the varsity to the California state title with a 33-2 record as a senior in 2000-01.

Alex07
11-17-2009, 03:54 AM
If we could get this kid..everyone(except the Gilas critics) will be happy...but it's gonna be a long-shot but who knows..

Jvale Mcgee 7'1 (very athletic)
age: 21
current team: Washington Bullets

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if Gilas can afford Iverson type budget player..I'd get this guy if I were them..they won't miss Giles if they have this guy

manu_bol
11-17-2009, 03:55 AM
how about ex-ginebra player chris alexander? i like his basketball IQ and I think he can play within toroman's system.

based on their pba stints, i think alexander is slightly better than mexican NT center adam parada

check
11-17-2009, 03:58 AM
Nope. We need a big man.

Not always. Credentials are better. Germany got Chris Kaman. Ben Gordon and Luol Deng for UK.

manu_bol
11-17-2009, 04:06 AM
jordan NT have role players in their frontline. they naturalized a guard even if their best local player (daghlas) is also a guard. but look at where they are right now.

if we can develop our big guys to play certain roles - not necessarily to dominate, maybe we can naturalize a very good small forward...

Lebron23
11-17-2009, 04:13 AM
2008-09 NBDL MVP

Courtney Sims

http://www.nba.com/media/dleague/c_sims_300_081118.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/act_courtney_sims.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/dleague/c_sims_300_090212.jpg

Height: 6'11"
Age: 26 yrs.old

He averaged 22.8 ppg, 11 rpg, and 2.0 bpg in the NBDL.

TrueBluePinoy
11-17-2009, 04:19 AM
Not always. Credentials are better. Germany got Chris Kaman. Ben Gordon and Luol Deng for UK.

But this time we do. And coach Rajko doesn't believe in credentials or numbers even if you played in the NBA, NCAA, Euroleague or any other top tier ball league out there. Right now the SBP is more keen on finding a big man; an experienced one for that matter rather than wing players that Coach Toroman believes our local boys could handle on their own.

reamily
11-17-2009, 04:19 AM
jordan NT have role players in their frontline. they naturalized a guard even if their best local player (daghlas) is also a guard. but look at where they are right now.

if we can develop our big guys to play certain roles - not necessarily to dominate, maybe we can naturalize a very good small forward...

from looks now we dont have frontcourt stability with Japhet Rabeh and Jason Ballesteros at helm maybe I am wrong but hopefully I'm wrong

sergio23
11-17-2009, 04:51 AM
Experience wise lets go for Earl Barron, but if we want youth factor lets go for Shaun Pruitt.. or Jamal Sampson..

I dont Think Kyle jeffers will do good for us, cmon we need at least 6'11 Center and not another 6'9( Tho Kyle Jeffers is good) beside he will be good if he will play for singapore(pang singapore lng)

CJ Giles is a good player but his attitude really distract him a lot so sayang for this guy..but we need to move on..

Jballer
11-17-2009, 05:04 AM
Alex07 If we could get this kid..everyone(except the Gilas critics) will be happy...but it's gonna be a long-shot but who knows..

Jvale Mcgee 7'1 (very athletic)
age: 21
current team: Washington Bullets

i dont see this happening right now or in the near future.

he's playing good in the nba right now. after his rookie contract, he's gonna get a good paycheck.

nardy
11-17-2009, 05:32 AM
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29/10/2009
A lot of quality players are still free-agents

[by Kris SANTIAGO] - The recession stroked hard on the economy in the last months and in every country around the world.

It did as well on the transfer market of the NBA, the Euroleague, the Eurocup and every major national basketball league that is known to the vivid basketball-fan.

With that in mind, certain demands of players for higher salaries (even after a successful season) did not sit too well with general managers of the leading professional teams across the globe.

In the past years, most NBA teams tended to keep up to 15 players on their roster, while this upcoming season, teams are carefully looking at the numbers (read: salaries) and are releasing a lot of bench players in an effort to save money and to get under the luxury tax imposed years ago by the NBA to punish teams that are over the salary cap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary_Cap).

In many cases, players waited too long for a good offer and are up to this very moment free agents on the market with no chance getting the salary they demanded earlier the year, when teams reached out for them, no matter if it was a NBA-team or a team in Europe or elsewhere.

Some took the risk by trying to make it to the NBA with a non-guaranteed contract instead of signing for guaranteed money in Europe.

Look at Carlos Arroyo, who recently signed a non-guaranteed minimum deal with the Miami Heat after playing the waiting game.

He is even one of the luckier guys in the business, as guys like Thomas Kelati (waived by the Lakers) should be loosing a lot of money after taking a chance on jumping on the NBA-wagon.

Goran Suton comes into my mind as well, as he got offers to play in Europe and even for the national-teams of Croatia and Bosnia in the European Championships but got some bad advice by sticking with the Jazz, who released him just a few days ago.


-VTSMhjaSYM

These recent developments are a chance for teams that do have the money and/or want to change players in an effort to boost their performances on the court.

So, especially Euroleague-teams will be scouring the market to strengthen their rosters, as some of them may still have the financial power to act even if their season already began.

Here are some of the well-known names that would be nice additions to struggling teams like Cibona Zagreb (Euroleague) or Unicaja Malaga (ACB) in the Euroleague or other teams in the financially-stronger leagues in Europe:
Spencer Nelson, Larry Ayuso, Maceo Baston, Milt Palacio, Dan Dickau, Loren Woods, James White, Melvin Ely, Juan Dixon, Mike Wilks, Rob Kurz, Mustafa Shakur, Andre Brown, Gerald Green, Chris Mihm, Robert Swift, Gabe Pruitt, Mickael Gelabale, Andre Barrett, Joseph Forte, Jake Voskuhl, Branko Milisavljevic, Andrea Pecile, Marton Bader, Mile Ilic, Ryan Stack, Dejan Tomasevic, Marcus Goree, Marcus Fizer, Horace Jenkins, Sam Hoskin, Maurice Taylor, Fred House, Earl Boykins and Tyrone Grant are all available from what I was able to gather from different sources on the web.

Then you got guys that certainly won't make the long trip over the ocean like these here: Brevin Knight, Jacque Vaughn, Jerry Stackhouse, Stromile Swift, Greg Buckner, Steve Francis, Jeff McInnis, Austin Croshere, Greg Ostertag, Scott Pollard, Aaron Williams and Wally Szczerbiak (who would rather retire then move to Madrid).

Also, count out famous head-cases like: Stephon "Barbie-Girl" Marbury, Jamaal Tinsley, Bonzi Wells, Darius Miles and Antoine "Gambler" Walker. If a team really want to gamble (No, not on Walker), then they should pick up J.R. Rider who announced his return to pro-hoops by signing with the North Texas Fresh (ABA), being 38-years old...wow !

So many common names are out there somewhere and preparing to play for a pro-team no matter what, so the salaries are going to be radically lower for the left-overs and teams will be saving also money by waiving players they previously signed but are less-skilled then the ones that are now on the market.

Be prepared to hear a lot of those names above being mentioned in the upcoming transfer-market news in the next weeks, as a lot of teams did obviously their math and are now paying little money for high quality.

I'm out like sitting at home and playing 2K10.

bolabasket
11-17-2009, 05:53 AM
Not always. Credentials are better. Germany got Chris Kaman. Ben Gordon and Luol Deng for UK.

yes...but these countries already have lots of big men...we don't

nardy
11-17-2009, 06:08 AM
If we could get this kid..everyone(except the Gilas critics) will be happy...but it's gonna be a long-shot but who knows..

Jvale Mcgee 7'1 (very athletic)
age: 21
current team: Washington Bullets

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if Gilas can afford Iverson type budget player..I'd get this guy if I were them..they won't miss Giles if they have this guy

does anyone know the email add of Agent Zero? He could very much endorse our country to Jvale.

http://pointnshoot.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/gilbert-arenas-blog-on-manila/

cod3breaker
11-17-2009, 06:16 AM
Jackie Butler

http://www.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2006/08/jackiebutler.jpg

Jackie Butler (born March 10, 1985 in McComb, Mississippi) is an American professional basketball player formerly in the NBA, currently a free agent. Butler is 6'10" and weighs 260 pounds.

Undrafted, 2004 NBA Draft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Butler

check
11-17-2009, 06:23 AM
marcus haislip

Dinamita
11-17-2009, 06:55 AM
Ryan Hollins
born October 10, 1984
7 foot
230 lbs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g624a09xKQ

karirista
11-17-2009, 06:55 AM
Lemme go out on a limb and make the case for

BRANDON POWELL

(currently playing with the Patriots)

He's got the passion to play ball and he even is looking forward at a long-term career in the Philippines. Maybe the Gilas peeps would wanna take a look at him.

His disposition would be something Giles lacked while here...especially with distractions...

kitin_21
11-17-2009, 07:35 AM
lemme go out on a limb and make the case for

brandon powell

(currently playing with the patriots)

he's got the passion to play ball and he even is looking forward at a long-term career in the philippines. Maybe the gilas peeps would wanna take a look at him.

His disposition would be something giles lacked while here...especially with distractions...

yah i second the motion...though he lacks size..but his heart is for the philippines....

check
11-17-2009, 07:50 AM
add me up! brandon powell for the win!

manu_bol
11-17-2009, 08:05 AM
Lemme go out on a limb and make the case for

BRANDON POWELL

(currently playing with the Patriots)

He's got the passion to play ball and he even is looking forward at a long-term career in the Philippines. Maybe the Gilas peeps would wanna take a look at him.

His disposition would be something Giles lacked while here...especially with distractions...

charged with marijuana possession, participated in on-court brawls, etc...

he makes giles look like a saint...

c'mon, sbp can choose better players that him

check
11-17-2009, 08:11 AM
doesn't mean that he hasn't changed

nobody's perfect, even pba/nba stars made mistakes too

nardy
11-17-2009, 08:18 AM
Our Barometer in choosing our Naturalized Player is that he should be able to make SMART GILAS competitive against the following teams:

http://www.asia-basket.com/China/Photos/nt09.jpg

http://www.asia-basket.com/Iran/Photos/nt09.jpg

http://www.asia-basket.com/Lebanon/Photos/nt09.jpg

http://www.asia-basket.com/South-Korea/Photos/nt09.jpg

http://www.asia-basket.com/Qatar/Photos/nt09.jpg

http://www.asia-basket.com/Japan/Photos/nt09.jpg


http://www.asia-basket.com/Kazakhstan/Photos/nt09.jpg

http://www.asia-basket.com/Jordan/Photos/nt09.jpg

http://www.asia-basket.com/Taiwan/Photos/nt09.jpg

and if the merger pushes thru also versus:

http://www.australiabasket.com/Australia/Photos/nt08.jpg

http://www.australiabasket.com/New-Zealand/Photos/nt08.jpg

noilsen
11-17-2009, 08:23 AM
i'd choose a 6'5 - 6'7 guy with a passion to play for the team than a 7 footer who only plays half hearted or for money..

but if they can find a 7 footer who can play with full passion and can instill a good influence to the boys then why not?:D

jesronne
11-17-2009, 08:26 AM
6'7 guy who can play 3-4...

troycombat
11-17-2009, 08:28 AM
What about Deandre Jordan? he's only 21 and athletic 6'11 center.

jesronne
11-17-2009, 08:28 AM
What about Deandre Jordan? he's only 21 and athletic 6'11 center.

SBP has limited financial capability... they cant afford a player like him...

noilsen
11-17-2009, 08:31 AM
What about Deandre Jordan? he's only 21 and athletic 6'11 center.

I think he has an NBA contract which is far more larger than what we could offer...

If he is a free agent then it could be possible..

TrueBluePinoy
11-17-2009, 08:34 AM
I checked this link for possible candidates but the good ones will be too old to play competitively come 2011.

http://www.eurobasket.com/Available-Players.asp?Posit=5

cod3breaker
11-17-2009, 08:37 AM
6'7 guy who can play 3-4...

Marcus Fizer.

nardy
11-17-2009, 08:39 AM
Remember we could only possibly afford at most 10 million pesos (about US$200,000) a year.

nardy
11-17-2009, 08:48 AM
Marcus Fizer.

as of today he is under contract with Capitanes de Arecibo in Puerto Rico and his asking price is around US$800K annually as per Grabow his booking agent.

manu_bol
11-17-2009, 08:59 AM
doesn't mean that he hasn't changed

nobody's perfect, even pba/nba stars made mistakes too

yeah, but sbp can get better players than him for the same price.

sergio23
11-17-2009, 09:07 AM
Lemme go out on a limb and make the case for

BRANDON POWELL

(currently playing with the Patriots)

He's got the passion to play ball and he even is looking forward at a long-term career in the Philippines. Maybe the Gilas peeps would wanna take a look at him.

His disposition would be something Giles lacked while here...especially with distractions...

Is this a joke or something? Brandon Powell is short and what we need is a rebounding Devil not another jumpingjacks..

reamily
11-17-2009, 10:58 AM
i'd choose a 6'5 - 6'7 guy with a passion to play for the team than a 7 footer who only plays half hearted or for money..

but if they can find a 7 footer who can play with full passion and can instill a good influence to the boys then why not?:D

e di si Dorian Pena oops:D:eek:

reamily
11-17-2009, 11:01 AM
add me up! brandon powell for the win!

The dorian pena case:D:D:D

Red Baron
11-17-2009, 11:21 AM
Im very sad about the giles departure to the Gilas however i believe to their decision if thye think this is for the own good of the team i agree.. anyway the next step will be finding possible replacement or more focus on the development of GS and JF including Rabeh and Japeth... I still have high hopes to Gilas program.

God Bless to Gilas

DaveMap2007
11-17-2009, 11:36 AM
Melvin Ely and Robert Swift(Half -Japanese) Available???????

troycombat
11-17-2009, 11:41 AM
I hate to see Giles go away, but if that will be good for the team so be it.

Iron Monkey
11-17-2009, 12:53 PM
I hate to see Giles go away, but if that will be good for the team so be it.

i think GILES has done his job...

am also thinking that the next naturalized player will just be there to speed up the development of our local big men...

and come 2011... i have a feeling that toroman will go all filipino ( or rather with all filipino blood because of fil-for being half bred :D)

Alex07
11-17-2009, 01:08 PM
Patrick O'Bryant
7 ft 0 in (2.13 m),
23 years old (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_O%27Bryant)

zm7zNa5aCy4

- A bit thin but our trainers could work that out.
- has been playing in the NBA for three years
- he's just 23 years old.Very Ideal for naturalization
- a legit 7 footer who has a 7'6 wingspan.
- played for Toronto Raptors..Maybe coach Norman Black knows this guy

Did I mention that this guy's salary is around $ 800K/year ?

cod3breaker
11-17-2009, 02:52 PM
Darryl Watkins

http://www.nba.com/media/act_darryl_watkins.jpg

Full Name: Darryl Finesse Watkins
Position: Center
Height/Weight: 6-11 / 258
Birthdate: November 8, 1984 (Paterson, N.J.)
High School: Paterson Catholic HS
College: Syracuse

Darryl Watkins's middle name is "Finesse", but don't read too much into that. Like Gaines, he went to camp with the Spurs last year, but didn't make the cut, and spent the rest of the year in China, averaging roughly 20/14. Good numbers, but it is China.

Strengths: A shotblocker and defensive presence. Athletic, with good size and a strong build. Will rebound at both ends.



http://www.nba.com/draft2007/profiles/DarrylWatkins.html
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/labels/Darryl%20Watkins.jsp

GoldenStallion87
11-17-2009, 07:54 PM
Patrick O'Bryant
7 ft 0 in (2.13 m),
23 years old (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_O%27Bryant)

zm7zNa5aCy4

- A bit thin but our trainers could work that out.
- has been playing in the NBA for three years
- he's just 23 years old.Very Ideal for naturalization
- a legit 7 footer who has a 7'6 wingspan.
- played for Toronto Raptors..Maybe coach Norman Black knows this guy

I am afraid this guy will be like CJ Giles. When this guy played for the Golden State Warriors, his coach repeated blasted his work ethic. He is very lazy working out and does not give 100% even during practices. He has now jumped from Boston and now plays for the Raptors in limited minutes. Eventhough he is a legit 7'0" player height alone cannot do all the things he will be tasked to do. Rajko Toroman is more demanding and strict compared to Don Nelson so Patrick O'Bryant is out off the list.

Jamaal Sampson, who once played in UC Berkeley California, maybe a good candidate but he also has some work ethic problems which is why he could not stick with any NBA teams he has played with.

Shaun Pruitt might be what the doctor ordered for SBP-Smart Gilas. He played in the Golden State Warriors Summer League and did a decent job eventhough he played limited minutes. The reason why he has cut is because at that time, GS already have their lineup intact for PF and Center position. With their team's injuries mounting, had they known, this guy would have had a place in their team. He has good work ethic and is very coachable. The only downside is that he is not as athletic as CJ because he is most effective down low grabbing rebounds and boxing out. I think he will fit just right for SG. He does not need to score a bunch, his mere presence down low will create space for either JA and GS to grab the rebound or grab it himself. To give a local comparison, he plays something like a young Yoyoy Villamin, Noli Locsin, or Tonichi Yturri...only that he is a legit 6'10 player with a wide body.

GoldenStallion87
11-17-2009, 07:56 PM
Marcus Fizer.

He is injury prone and not very athletic for a 6'-7" player.

Alex07
11-18-2009, 12:30 AM
I am afraid this guy will be like CJ Giles. When this guy played for the Golden State Warriors, his coach repeated blasted his work ethic. He is very lazy working out and does not give 100% even during practices. He has now jumped from Boston and now plays for the Raptors in limited minutes. Eventhough he is a legit 7'0" player height alone cannot do all the things he will be tasked to do. Rajko Toroman is more demanding and strict compared to Don Nelson so Patrick O'Bryant is out off the list.

Jamaal Sampson, who once played in UC Berkeley California, maybe a good candidate but he also has some work ethic problems which is why he could not stick with any NBA teams he has played with.

Shaun Pruitt might be what the doctor ordered for SBP-Smart Gilas. He played in the Golden State Warriors Summer League and did a decent job eventhough he played limited minutes. The reason why he has cut is because at that time, GS already have their lineup intact for PF and Center position. With their team's injuries mounting, had they known, this guy would have had a place in their team. He has good work ethic and is very coachable. The only downside is that he is not as athletic as CJ because he is most effective down low grabbing rebounds and boxing out. I think he will fit just right for SG. He does not need to score a bunch, his mere presence down low will create space for either JA and GS to grab the rebound or grab it himself. To give a local comparison, he plays something like a young Yoyoy Villamin, Noli Locsin, or Tonichi Yturri...only that he is a legit 6'10 player with a wide body.

great scouting report

ramzaruglia
11-18-2009, 03:20 AM
Let's get the services of Hasheem Tabheet! He's 7'3, very athletic, can run the floor since his previous sport was European Football/Soccer, can block shots and had a very wide wingspan. He's from Tanzania.

http://nbcsportsmedia.msnbc.com/j/NBCSports/Sections/Personal/Williams,%20Ed/StayInSchool/HasheemThabeet.widec.jpg

Drafted by the Memphis Grizzlies. If we want a replacement for Giles, this is the guy for us... ^_^

bolabasket
11-18-2009, 03:26 AM
He is injury prone and not very athletic for a 6'-7" player.

he is old...not tall enough (6'8 most) and he looks like Miguel Cotto :D

bolabasket
11-18-2009, 03:29 AM
Let's get the services of Hasheem Tabheet! He's 7'3, very athletic, can run the floor since his previous sport was European Football/Soccer, can block shots and had a very wide wingspan. He's from Tanzania.

http://nbcsportsmedia.msnbc.com/j/NBCSports/Sections/Personal/Williams,%20Ed/StayInSchool/HasheemThabeet.widec.jpg

Drafted by the Memphis Grizzlies. If we want a replacement for Giles, this is the guy for us... ^_^


...and he's injured...fractured jaw! :cool:

TrueBluePinoy
11-18-2009, 03:43 AM
...and he's injured...fractured jaw! :cool:

And too much to ask for.:( Next candidate

kaiziken_pinas
11-18-2009, 04:19 AM
Shawn Pruitt. or Just go for the guy with good work ethic and hops.

mr_reteche
11-18-2009, 07:16 AM
thabeet, i think, played for Nike WOrld Team representing Tanzania/africa...so i assume he is part of the Tanzanian national team hence he is inelegible...and hey can the SBP even afford his rokie pay?

GoldenStallion87
11-18-2009, 07:28 AM
SBP-Smart Gilas should try out Shaun Pruitt.

Here's a link about him and what he can put on the table for Smart Gilas

/http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Shaun-Pruitt-1005/

Another player to consider is ex-Warrior Richard Hendrix. He is not a very tall player but gets tons of rebounds thanks to his bulk and great positioning.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Richard-Hendrix-229/

weward
11-18-2009, 07:29 AM
we just need a hustle big man who is a demon in rebounding or defense(especially on shot blocking!!)

we dont need a scoring machine.. in the pattern of Smart gilas,everyone can score and contribute..thats why its hard to defend against smart gilas..
what we need is someone who will fill in the gap in the middle..esp defense..

nardy
11-18-2009, 07:54 AM
Let's get the services of Hasheem Tabheet! He's 7'3, very athletic, can run the floor since his previous sport was European Football/Soccer, can block shots and had a very wide wingspan. He's from Tanzania.

http://nbcsportsmedia.msnbc.com/j/NBCSports/Sections/Personal/Williams,%20Ed/StayInSchool/HasheemThabeet.widec.jpg

Drafted by the Memphis Grizzlies. If we want a replacement for Giles, this is the guy for us... ^_^

from what I know he is already a member of Tanzania's Senior National Team and I think he already played for them at the FIBA Africa competitions. could somebody confirm if I am mistaken or not. Another thing we might not be able to afford his asking price.

paolylo
11-18-2009, 08:30 AM
i think we should just stop this NBA player wishlist and just limit our discussion to players who the SBP are already looking at. otherwise, we can just hope the Smart Gilas big men will outplay 7-foot Asian centers by 2011.

Dorian Peña? even if PBA players will still be allowed, there's no one there taller than 6'9 who will be a force in the paint at the FIBA level. Smart Gilas already has the tallest players available in Slaughter and Fajardo.

noilsen
11-18-2009, 09:03 AM
Darryl Watkins

http://www.nba.com/media/act_darryl_watkins.jpg

Full Name: Darryl Finesse Watkins
Position: Center
Height/Weight: 6-11 / 258
Birthdate: November 8, 1984 (Paterson, N.J.)
High School: Paterson Catholic HS
College: Syracuse

Darryl Watkins's middle name is "Finesse", but don't read too much into that. Like Gaines, he went to camp with the Spurs last year, but didn't make the cut, and spent the rest of the year in China, averaging roughly 20/14. Good numbers, but it is China.

Strengths: A shotblocker and defensive presence. Athletic, with good size and a strong build. Will rebound at both ends.



http://www.nba.com/draft2007/profiles/DarrylWatkins.html
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/labels/Darryl%20Watkins.jsp

is he feasible?

sergio23
11-18-2009, 10:39 AM
Smart Gilas banners new ex-NBA recruits
By June Navarro
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 16:31:00 11/18/2009

Filed Under: Basketball
MANILA, Philippines – After dropping CJ Giles from the national team roster, the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas wasted no time searching for somebody to fill the huge gap.

And soon as the 6-foot-11 former LA Lakers draftee boarded the plane bound for the United States, the Smart Gilas Pilipinas National Team has already picked former NBA players Jamal Sampson, Shaun Pruitt and Earl Barron Jr. as possible replacements.

From among the three candidates, SBP executive director Noli Eala said the 6-foot-11 Sampson, who played for five NBA ballclubs since 2002, would most likely make it.

“He’s available and interested,’’ Eala told the Inquirer. “He’s a legitimate NBA center and is probably the most versatile.’’

Selected in the second round and 46th overall in the 2002 NBA Draft by the Utah Jazz, Sampson belonged to a talented rookie class headed by top pick Yao Ming of the Houston Rockets, Phoenix’s Amare Stoudamire and Tayshaun Prince of Detroit, among others.

The Jazz traded Sampson, a cousin of 1983 NBA top pick Ralph Sampson, to the Orlando Magic before the 235-pound power forward-center landed to the Milwaukee Bucks where he spent most of his rookie season.

Sampson, 26, also played briefly for the Lakers, appearing in only 10 games, the Charlotte Bobcats, Sacramento Kings and the Denver Nuggets. He was waived by the Dallas Mavericks during the 2007-2008 season.

After playing 72 NBA games, the University of California-Berkeley alum posted career averages of 2.0 points, 3.4 rebounds, 0.4 blocks in 8.8 minutes per game.

Next on the priority list are the 6-foot-10 Pruitt, who had a short stint with the Golden State Warriors, and the 7-foot Barron, Red Bull’s import in the 2005 Philippine Basketball Association reinforced conference.

Pruitt, 24, played for the University of Illinois and registered 12.6 points and 7.3 rebounds throughout his entire collegiate career.

Undrafted in the NBA, Pruitt’s professional stint took off in the Czech Republic and China before the Warriors signed him up. He was released by the Warriors last month and temporarily hooked up with Peristeri BC in the A2 Ethniki (Greek league).

Barron was part of the 2006 NBA champions Miami Heat until 2008 before signing up a US$2-million, one-year deal with Italian club Fortitudo Bologna. He was waived by New Orleans Hornets last month.

Giles, who missed last Friday’s game against Sta. Lucia Realty due to a foot injury, signed a one-year pact, which includes housing and a car plus other perks and bonuses. Gilas has been seeing action in the KFC-PBA Philippine Cup as a guest squad.

``After a long and thorough evaluation of CJ’s performance in the last month, it was our decision to pre-terminate his contract and cut him from Smart Gilas,’’ said Eala.

``The coaching staff felt that he has underperformed this last month due to lack of focus and various injuries,’’ added Eala.

Available and interested so its likely Jamal is the guy who will replace CJ Giles..

alex15
11-18-2009, 12:38 PM
Smart Gilas banners new ex-NBA recruits
By June Navarro
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 16:31:00 11/18/2009

Filed Under: Basketball
MANILA, Philippines – After dropping CJ Giles from the national team roster, the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas wasted no time searching for somebody to fill the huge gap.

And soon as the 6-foot-11 former LA Lakers draftee boarded the plane bound for the United States, the Smart Gilas Pilipinas National Team has already picked former NBA players Jamal Sampson, Shaun Pruitt and Earl Barron Jr. as possible replacements.

From among the three candidates, SBP executive director Noli Eala said the 6-foot-11 Sampson, who played for five NBA ballclubs since 2002, would most likely make it.

“He’s available and interested,’’ Eala told the Inquirer. “He’s a legitimate NBA center and is probably the most versatile.’’

Selected in the second round and 46th overall in the 2002 NBA Draft by the Utah Jazz, Sampson belonged to a talented rookie class headed by top pick Yao Ming of the Houston Rockets, Phoenix’s Amare Stoudamire and Tayshaun Prince of Detroit, among others.

The Jazz traded Sampson, a cousin of 1983 NBA top pick Ralph Sampson, to the Orlando Magic before the 235-pound power forward-center landed to the Milwaukee Bucks where he spent most of his rookie season.

Sampson, 26, also played briefly for the Lakers, appearing in only 10 games, the Charlotte Bobcats, Sacramento Kings and the Denver Nuggets. He was waived by the Dallas Mavericks during the 2007-2008 season.

After playing 72 NBA games, the University of California-Berkeley alum posted career averages of 2.0 points, 3.4 rebounds, 0.4 blocks in 8.8 minutes per game.

Next on the priority list are the 6-foot-10 Pruitt, who had a short stint with the Golden State Warriors, and the 7-foot Barron, Red Bull’s import in the 2005 Philippine Basketball Association reinforced conference.

Pruitt, 24, played for the University of Illinois and registered 12.6 points and 7.3 rebounds throughout his entire collegiate career.

Undrafted in the NBA, Pruitt’s professional stint took off in the Czech Republic and China before the Warriors signed him up. He was released by the Warriors last month and temporarily hooked up with Peristeri BC in the A2 Ethniki (Greek league).

Barron was part of the 2006 NBA champions Miami Heat until 2008 before signing up a US$2-million, one-year deal with Italian club Fortitudo Bologna. He was waived by New Orleans Hornets last month.

Giles, who missed last Friday’s game against Sta. Lucia Realty due to a foot injury, signed a one-year pact, which includes housing and a car plus other perks and bonuses. Gilas has been seeing action in the KFC-PBA Philippine Cup as a guest squad.

``After a long and thorough evaluation of CJ’s performance in the last month, it was our decision to pre-terminate his contract and cut him from Smart Gilas,’’ said Eala.

``The coaching staff felt that he has underperformed this last month due to lack of focus and various injuries,’’ added Eala.

Available and interested so its likely Jamal is the guy who will replace CJ Giles..

So Jamal is only 26, that's great....

CoJ
11-18-2009, 01:41 PM
wait, so Earl Barron was on the Miami roster on their Championship run? I say go for him, not everyday you could naturalize a NBA Champion :)

kerouac82
11-18-2009, 02:14 PM
wait, so Earl Barron was on the Miami roster on their Championship run? I say go for him, not everyday you could naturalize a NBA Champion :)

Wasn't Barron part of a US U-18 team before?

FlaByNyt
11-18-2009, 03:05 PM
CoJ, i've seen Earl Barron play here in Miami..Yes, he was part of that "15 strong" Miami Heat Championship line-up but he really wasn't that good against other back-up centers. Easily gets pushed around, poor post moves, inconsistent mid range jumpers..in other words he's not gonna cut it for us if ever. Miami just needed a tall person in their line-up to back-up Shaq and Zo in case they go down with an injury at that time. He might have been good there in the PBA with Red Bull but i don't think he will do well in International competitions. Just my opinion...

CoJ
11-18-2009, 03:14 PM
CoJ, i've seen Earl Barron play here in Miami..Yes, he was part of that "15 strong" Miami Heat Championship line-up but he really wasn't that good against other back-up centers. Easily gets pushed around, poor post moves, inconsistent mid range jumpers..in other words he's not gonna cut it for us if ever. Miami just needed a tall person in their line-up to back-up Shaq and Zo in case they go down with an injury at that time. He might have been good there in the PBA with Red Bull but i don't think he will do well in International competitions. Just my opinion...

I barely watched the Miami games during their championship run so I have no idea with regards to Barron's game...So if that's the case, he's just another warm body like Zan Tabak did for Houston....but, SBP is does not have that much cash to deal with, so if he comes cheap, go for him..........


if he did play for the US Under 18, as Sir Jonar had mentioned, I think he could no longer play for the RP regardless if he's naturalized as a Filipino, if the old ruling of FIBA is still existing (if it does, Iverson for Gilas is already out of the option)

I thought FIBA only allows players to play for one nation, even if he had renounced his nationality and has acquired a different citizenship, this is the case for Scola, Nocioni and I think Varejao, who holds Italian Citizenship as well...

c_d
11-18-2009, 03:19 PM
^You must be referring to Ginobili who is of Italian ethnicity.

CoJ
11-18-2009, 03:22 PM
^You must be referring to Ginobili who is of Italian ethnicity.

ah..not really, Scola and I think Nocioni, both hold Italian passports (perhaps out of convinience, or tax reasons)

Alex07
11-18-2009, 03:45 PM
If Jvale Mcgee and Ryan Hollins will be too expensive..let's go for Jamal Sampson..but there's no harm in trying to contact these guys if they are interested.Hope someone om the SBP could get a hold of their agent's number

CoJ
11-18-2009, 03:48 PM
Jvale Mcgee and Ryan Hollins will be too expensive..let's go for Jamal Sampson

just go for the guy who doesn't smoke pot and does not frequent the night spots and I'll be happy with it :)..

Alex07
11-18-2009, 03:50 PM
just go for the guy who doesn't smoke pot and does not frequent the night spots and I'll be happy with it :)..

maybe that's why CJ Giles was too excited about the Amsterdam games :D

kerouac82
11-18-2009, 03:56 PM
ah..not really, Scola and I think Nocioni, both hold Italian passports (perhaps out of convinience, or tax reasons)

There is quite a sizeable community of people with Italian descent in Argentina, partly because the country became a prime destination for exiles after World Wars. That's why you also have people with German surnames like "Hermann" playing for Argentina. If I'm not mistaken, Argentina lets children of exiles retain their parents' old citizenships, making Scola, Nocioni et al holders of dual citizenships.

talion
11-18-2009, 03:58 PM
maybe that's why CJ Giles was too excited about the Amsterdam games :D

i was forced to lurk here for so long because of the disappointing lost in China and the sudden number of PBA haters. But i really just have to say this now. Now is the time for the SBP and PBA to forget about their differences. I'm really sure we're gonna have a hard time replacing Giles due to the same problems that we have-- pera pera lang yan. that's why its better if we just to form a national team composed of PBA and amateur standouts. we just use the money for training. we already have slaughter and junmar as big guys. lets just use the money to train them abroad.

Alex07
11-18-2009, 04:40 PM
i was forced to lurk here for so long because of the disappointing lost in China and the sudden number of PBA haters. But i really just have to say this now. Now is the time for the SBP and PBA to forget about their differences. I'm really sure we're gonna have a hard time replacing Giles due to the same problems that we have-- pera pera lang yan. that's why its better if we just to form a national team composed of PBA and amateur standouts. we just use the money for training. we already have slaughter and junmar as big guys. lets just use the money to train them abroad.

I doubt if the PBA will ever cooperate with the SBP not unless there will be a miracle and all the PBA boards will become instant nationalists more than businessmen.And even if they will allow PBA players to join the national team I still think that we need to naturalize a big man.Junmar and Greg's training would come along with the overseas training of the whole Gilas team.The PBA haters such as myself didn't come from the failure in Tianjin alone..it is also because of their non commitment with the national team.The PBA purpose is to make money not to bring basketball glory.

talion
11-18-2009, 04:57 PM
I doubt if the PBA will ever cooperate with the SBP not unless there will be a miracle and all the PBA boards will become instant nationalists more than businessmen.And even if they will allow PBA players to join the national team I still think that we need to naturalize a big man.Junmar and Greg's training would come along with the overseas training of the whole Gilas team.The PBA haters such as myself didn't come from the failure in Tianjin alone..it is also because of their non commitment with the national team.The PBA purpose is to make money not to bring basketball glory.

Coach Guiao once said that SBP's effort would have been appreciated more if it only helped acquiring a naturalized player for the PBA powerade team. while i dont blame SBP, it's just goes to show that there are shortcomings on both sides. there's so much we can achieve if we only act together. I really have a bad feeling that we might not get a naturalized player in time because developing the remaining Gilas boys is work hard enough. it seems that we can only focus on either getting the best naturalized player or getting the best training for our locals. we cant afford both due to many reasons

kerouac82
11-18-2009, 05:30 PM
Coach Guiao once said that SBP's effort would have been appreciated more if it only helped acquiring a naturalized player for the PBA powerade team. while i dont blame SBP, it's just goes to show that there are shortcomings on both sides. there's so much we can achieve if we only act together. I really have a bad feeling that we might not get a naturalized player in time because developing the remaining Gilas boys is work hard enough. it seems that we can only focus on either getting the best naturalized player or getting the best training for our locals. we cant afford both due to many reasons

It's not the SBP's fault that the legislative process for naturalization takes years.

regierr
11-18-2009, 07:15 PM
Coach Guiao once said that SBP's effort would have been appreciated more if it only helped acquiring a naturalized player for the PBA powerade team. while i dont blame SBP, it's just goes to show that there are shortcomings on both sides. there's so much we can achieve if we only act together. I really have a bad feeling that we might not get a naturalized player in time because developing the remaining Gilas boys is work hard enough. it seems that we can only focus on either getting the best naturalized player or getting the best training for our locals. we cant afford both due to many reasons

I prefer right now not to have a naturalized player because of cost and the long process of naturalization. For me the money for the naturalized player should be spent on acquiring more Fil-Ams to bolster the Gilas line up.

One thing though that I like about not having a naturalized player is it will tell us how good Toroman is especially in developing players who have no international experience. He has to do this in less than 2 yrs and unlike the players he coached in Iran some of our players are still very raw in terms of skills.

ogre
11-18-2009, 08:19 PM
I prefer to have a tall, dominating import to be naturalized. I just wanted them to get the best players possible as long as we follow the rules. I don't care how much they spend for those players as long as they get the job done and they have MVP to shoulder it. And for those pussyfooting prospects, sorry na lang sila, the SBP should pass on them and look for others to spend on who are more than willing to commit to be on the team.

Alex07
11-19-2009, 01:03 AM
Coach Guiao once said that SBP's effort would have been appreciated more if it only helped acquiring a naturalized player for the PBA powerade team. while i dont blame SBP, it's just goes to show that there are shortcomings on both sides. there's so much we can achieve if we only act together. I really have a bad feeling that we might not get a naturalized player in time because developing the remaining Gilas boys is work hard enough. it seems that we can only focus on either getting the best naturalized player or getting the best training for our locals. we cant afford both due to many reasons

Naturalization takes time and the SBP did it share of helping the PBA by providing reports from Toroman..only to be rejected by the wizard Yeng Guiao.

For me why choose one if we can have both.We could have a naturalized player and train our guys as well.The SBP is giving the boys the training that they deserve.It's not that it's free the SBP will shoulder the air fare and maybe the rent of the facilities and the hotel accommodations.So far they already went to the US,they went to Serbia,Belgrade,in Indonesia and to China.I say this is already some valuable training experience which on the other hand the powerade team failed to do.

sergio23
11-19-2009, 01:51 AM
Coach Guiao once said that SBP's effort would have been appreciated more if it only helped acquiring a naturalized player for the PBA powerade team. while i dont blame SBP, it's just goes to show that there are shortcomings on both sides. there's so much we can achieve if we only act together. I really have a bad feeling that we might not get a naturalized player in time because developing the remaining Gilas boys is work hard enough. it seems that we can only focus on either getting the best naturalized player or getting the best training for our locals. we cant afford both due to many reasons

How can you expect Greg and Junmar to develop their skills under toroman when they are not fully committed to Gilas? I mean Greg will still play for Cesafi(Coz there he is like Yao) and Junmar? no words yet..so how do you expect them to make an impact? in order for them to fully develop they need to stay where the team is and they need 1 year or more with the team. Ill go for a Naturalized player over Greg and Junmar who is still with their College Teams.

Alex07
11-19-2009, 02:40 AM
How can you expect Greg and Junmar to develop their skills under toroman when they are not fully committed to Gilas? I mean Greg will still play for Cesafi(Coz there he is like Yao) and Junmar? no words yet..so how do you expect them to make an impact? in order for them to fully develop they need to stay where the team is and they need 1 year or more with the team. Ill go for a Naturalized player over Greg and Junmar who is still with their College Teams.

good point...It's not them who are the problems but their handlers.They are afraid that they might jump ship to another school.And we all know that it's all about the money too.I hope some other schools who are willing to let them play in the national team would buy them out

TrueBluePinoy
11-19-2009, 02:41 AM
good point...It's not them who are the problems but their handlers.They are afraid that they might jump ship to another school.And we all know that it's all about the money too.I hope some other schools who are willing to let them play in the national team would buy them out

Greg decided to stay with UV on his own will.

Alex07
11-19-2009, 02:45 AM
Greg decided to stay with UV on his own will.

yeah like there is no pressure from the school.right :D

TrueBluePinoy
11-19-2009, 02:46 AM
yeah like there is no pressure from the school.right :D

None.

Alex07
11-19-2009, 03:00 AM
None.

uh huh

k3v1nski
11-19-2009, 03:00 AM
why are we all hyped on this naturalization thing?
its like without naturalization we are doomed???

that is why we hired boy TORO right? let this serbian guy uses his wand & do wonders for team pilipinas....
too much depending on naturalized player...

i will not be surprised if SMART GILAS lose and blamed the Naturalization process in the country...

pointing fingers again by SBP...tsk..tsk...tsk...

Alex07
11-19-2009, 03:08 AM
why are we all hyped on this naturalization thing?
its like without naturalization we are doomed???

that is why we hired boy TORO right? let this serbian guy uses his wand & do wonders for team pilipinas....
too much depending on naturalized player...

i will not be surprised if SMART GILAS lose and blamed the Naturalization process in the country...

pointing fingers again by SBP...tsk..tsk...tsk...

it's because we can't get the other big guys for whatever educational whatever reasons (and take note they are not getting pressured by coaches or any school authorities).Boy Toro is a foreign coach and not from another planet so he is bound by the rules of physics that's why he needs to naturalize.And yes if this national team continues to have all the unnecessary setbacks like those players who can't make it because of whatever reasons,not having a naturalized player,more or less we are doomed.

TrueBluePinoy
11-19-2009, 03:11 AM
why are we all hyped on this naturalization thing?
its like without naturalization we are doomed???

that is why we hired boy TORO right? let this serbian guy uses his wand & do wonders for team pilipinas....
too much depending on naturalized player...

i will not be surprised if SMART GILAS lose and blamed the Naturalization process in the country...

pointing fingers again by SBP...tsk..tsk...tsk...

^No use explaining to this guy if you remember him before FIBA Asia 2009

Alex07
11-19-2009, 03:28 AM
i hope that slaughter and fajardo had a change of heart. i certainly had.:p

it is almost inevitable that we will not be parading any naturalized player in the asian games. congress is currently in recess until december 7 due to the filing of their respective candidacies in the coming election. then, congress will have a 1 week session which will be interrupted yet again by the long x'mas break. come january, congress will just be in session for a couple of weeks then it'll close again in february to give way to the campaign period. it'll re-open on the last monday of july 2010 coinciding with the SONAss. unless heaven and earth are moved, there's no effing way we'll be able to naturalize a player with this kind of schedule.

MVP has got to work his wonders and so is Noli Eala to look for congress friends

KevinDurant
11-19-2009, 03:31 AM
Congressmen need campaign funds..;)

Let us hope that "cash considerations" will do the trick..:D

k3v1nski
11-19-2009, 05:15 AM
if SBP will not be able to parade a naturalized (IMPORT) for Team Pilipinas...
i think its better to let POWERADE TEAM PILIPINAS compete..
baka kasi kainin lang ng buhay ang SMART GILAS.

trans. other countries might eat SMAR-GILAS alive!..

TrueBluePinoy
11-19-2009, 05:21 AM
if SBP will not be able to parade a naturalized (IMPORT) for Team Pilipinas...
i think its better to let POWERADE TEAM PILIPINAS compete..
baka kasi kainin lang ng buhay ang SMART GILAS.

trans. other countries might eat SMAR-GILAS alive!..

^Like what I said. No use explaining to this guy. Just ignore him.

talion
11-19-2009, 05:23 AM
if SBP will not be able to parade a naturalized (IMPORT) for Team Pilipinas...
i think its better to let POWERADE TEAM PILIPINAS compete..
baka kasi kainin lang ng buhay ang SMART GILAS.

trans. other countries might eat SMAR-GILAS alive!..

if other countries referes to china and iran, then i will agree with you. smart gilas as of now simply doesnt have the answer to these teams. i can only hope that PBA lends some reinforcement to smart gilas so we can be competitive and gauge our strength in the asiad.

Alex07
11-19-2009, 05:59 AM
if SBP will not be able to parade a naturalized (IMPORT) for Team Pilipinas...
i think its better to let POWERADE TEAM PILIPINAS compete..
baka kasi kainin lang ng buhay ang SMART GILAS.

trans. other countries might eat SMAR-GILAS alive!..

it is more difficult for the PBA to send another team of pro players with the preparation needed for a real competition than to get a naturalized player.And most of the powerade players will be too old in 2011.I'm sure Asi will be dunked on a regular basis by that time and who are you planning to replace him with?:D

reamily
11-19-2009, 07:09 AM
uh huh

although many including myself wanted it but greg did not like the pressure from a blue schools gets:D

reamily
11-19-2009, 07:24 AM
I barely watched the Miami games during their championship run so I have no idea with regards to Barron's game...So if that's the case, he's just another warm body like Zan Tabak did for Houston....but, SBP is does not have that much cash to deal with, so if he comes cheap, go for him..........


if he did play for the US Under 18, as Sir Jonar had mentioned, I think he could no longer play for the RP regardless if he's naturalized as a Filipino, if the old ruling of FIBA is still existing (if it does, Iverson for Gilas is already out of the option)

I thought FIBA only allows players to play for one nation, even if he had renounced his nationality and has acquired a different citizenship, this is the case for Scola, Nocioni and I think Varejao, who holds Italian Citizenship as well...
His red bull stint prove why despite on his thin frame he made it to nba

RickyPBA
11-19-2009, 07:27 AM
may nakapasok palang forumer dito na ban for life sa PBA forum... ingat kayo dyan mga kapatid, puros PBA and Powerade lang alam nyan isabak hehehe

lizardking
11-19-2009, 07:43 AM
i was forced to lurk here for so long because of the disappointing lost in China and the sudden number of PBA haters. But i really just have to say this now. Now is the time for the SBP and PBA to forget about their differences. I'm really sure we're gonna have a hard time replacing Giles due to the same problems that we have-- pera pera lang yan. that's why its better if we just to form a national team composed of PBA and amateur standouts. we just use the money for training. we already have slaughter and junmar as big guys. lets just use the money to train them abroad.

Well, with CJ out, we can use the budget for him according to your suggestions immediately. In the meantime, lets give it one last try with the current roster of naturalization prospects. If their naturalization fails for whatever reason, I'm sure being the dynamic people that they are, MVP and Eala already have considered the possibility of being forced to go all-natural born filipino. Also, the budget saved from CJ could be used to move heaven and earth to sign our hesitant amateurs. Finally, the money saved from not having a naturalized player can help fund the Gilas pool in training camps. especially the Big Mans Camp. Well, with or without a naturalized center, the latter training is crucial since Slaughter, Fajardo, Ballesteros and Hussaini should be re-oriented to playing looking-up because they will no longer be able to stare down at the scalps of other big men. They will have to re-learn to play basketball as if they are dwarfs and not giants.

As to PBA help, I'm sure there is still reason and a streak of patriotism in the PBA team owners. If before they were willing to maintain the Powerade team full time, what would stop them from lending a helping hand. I think most people have pre-judged that the PBA will refuse to help though I doubt if they have even been asked at all.

D_I_A
11-19-2009, 07:49 AM
^No use explaining to this guy if you remember him before FIBA Asia 2009

damned right.. you can even check this guys posts at pba forums..i bet this fella only knows nothing but the pba..

D_I_A
11-19-2009, 07:51 AM
may nakapasok palang forumer dito na ban for life sa PBA forum... ingat kayo dyan mga kapatid, puros PBA and Powerade lang alam nyan isabak hehehe

OT:that's why he's here.. so that he'll be banned here too.
:D


back to the topic..

here's the latest from the web..

http://www.tribune.net.ph/pics/topstories_01.png

NOW A THREAT TO GILAS’ 2012 BID

Giles junked RP team for Lebanon journey

By Julius Manicad

11/19/2009

JOHOR BAHRU — The Philippines’ bid to earn a slot in the 2012 London Olympics could be derailed by the same person the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas had initially tasked to lead them there: CJ Giles.

Shortly after getting the boot from Smart Gilas-Team Pilipinas for supposed unprofessional conduct, the 6-foot-11 talented American signed a hefty contract with Sporting Al-Riyadi Beirut, a Lebanese squad that served as Smart Gilas’ bitter nemesis in the previous Fiba-Asia Champions Cup.

Giles’ stunning, and bold, decision was subject of discussion here as Lebanese basketball officials admitted the Oregon State University star stayed on their radar since the Champions Cup last May.

They, in fact, even tried to recruit him together with Gilas skipper Mark Barroca in the heat of the tourney, but Giles decided to stick it out with the Filipinos, vowing to lead them to a golden finish in the 2011 Fiba Asia Championship — which the Philippines hoped would be its gateway to the Olympics.

Sources refused to divulge the specifics of the contract, but confirmed that it dwarfed the one-year, P8.64-million contract he signed with the SBP earlier this year.

Giles is expected to replace the ineffective Mamadou N’Daye in the starting frontline, sharing minutes with one-time PBA import Nate Johnson, naturalized import Joe Vogel and hometown hero Fadi El-Khatib in the Lebanese Basketball League where Al-Riyadi Beirut is a 19-time champion.

He is also being groomed to banner the Lebanese national squad which is already oozing with talent with the vast improvement of quarterback
Mahmoud Ali and forward Matt Freije, and the naturalization of Jackson Vroman, the former Iranian import who torched the Filipinos with 42 points en route to the title of the Champions Cup.

“That’s the biggest irony: we might see CJ again in future international competitions,” a Filipino basketball official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. “But what can we do? He was given the chance and yet he squandered it.”

Giles, a 24-year-old defensive monster who shrugged off an injury to submit 20 points in Gilas’ 91-86 victory over Lebanon in the Champions Cup, was dropped from Smart Gilas’ lineup after reportedly showing erratic behavior. In one instance, a reliable source said, he reported in an official game still drunk and tired from a night-long party.

He was also suspected to have allegedly been using illegal substance.

But Lebanese basketball officials still gambled on hiring him, believing Giles could help them overcome the powerful Iranian, Korean and Chinese squads in the upcoming continental meets.

With Giles out for good, SBP is looking at three prospects; former NBA campaigners Earl Barron, Jamal Sampson and Shaun Pruitt.

nardy
11-19-2009, 08:04 AM
OT:that's why he's here.. so that he'll be banned here too.
:D


back to the topic..

here's the latest from the web..

http://www.tribune.net.ph/pics/topstories_01.png

NOW A THREAT TO GILAS’ 2012 BID

Giles junked RP team for Lebanon journey

By Julius Manicad

11/19/2009

JOHOR BAHRU — The Philippines’ bid to earn a slot in the 2012 London Olympics could be derailed by the same person the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas had initially tasked to lead them there: CJ Giles.

Shortly after getting the boot from Smart Gilas-Team Pilipinas for supposed unprofessional conduct, the 6-foot-11 talented American signed a hefty contract with Sporting Al-Riyadi Beirut, a Lebanese squad that served as Smart Gilas’ bitter nemesis in the previous Fiba-Asia Champions Cup.

Giles’ stunning, and bold, decision was subject of discussion here as Lebanese basketball officials admitted the Oregon State University star stayed on their radar since the Champions Cup last May.

They, in fact, even tried to recruit him together with Gilas skipper Mark Barroca in the heat of the tourney, but Giles decided to stick it out with the Filipinos, vowing to lead them to a golden finish in the 2011 Fiba Asia Championship — which the Philippines hoped would be its gateway to the Olympics.

Sources refused to divulge the specifics of the contract, but confirmed that it dwarfed the one-year, P8.64-million contract he signed with the SBP earlier this year.

Giles is expected to replace the ineffective Mamadou N’Daye in the starting frontline, sharing minutes with one-time PBA import Nate Johnson, naturalized import Joe Vogel and hometown hero Fadi El-Khatib in the Lebanese Basketball League where Al-Riyadi Beirut is a 19-time champion.

He is also being groomed to banner the Lebanese national squad which is already oozing with talent with the vast improvement of quarterback
Mahmoud Ali and forward Matt Freije, and the naturalization of Jackson Vroman, the former Iranian import who torched the Filipinos with 42 points en route to the title of the Champions Cup.

“That’s the biggest irony: we might see CJ again in future international competitions,” a Filipino basketball official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. “But what can we do? He was given the chance and yet he squandered it.”

Giles, a 24-year-old defensive monster who shrugged off an injury to submit 20 points in Gilas’ 91-86 victory over Lebanon in the Champions Cup, was dropped from Smart Gilas’ lineup after reportedly showing erratic behavior. In one instance, a reliable source said, he reported in an official game still drunk and tired from a night-long party.

He was also suspected to have allegedly been using illegal substance.

But Lebanese basketball officials still gambled on hiring him, believing Giles could help them overcome the powerful Iranian, Korean and Chinese squads in the upcoming continental meets.

With Giles out for good, SBP is looking at three prospects; former NBA campaigners Earl Barron, Jamal Sampson and Shaun Pruitt.


well good luck to the Lebanese .... let's see if Fadi could tolerate the off-court activities of CJ and his "entourage". :rolleyes:

D_I_A
11-19-2009, 08:19 AM
well good luck to the Lebanese .... let's see if Fadi could tolerate the off-court activities of CJ and his "entourage". :rolleyes:

"entourage" hmmm.. that's intriguing. you mean bunch of thugs and drunkards?:rolleyes:

kaiziken_pinas
11-19-2009, 08:22 AM
good luck to Cj. I hope Lebanon wont replace Vroman

codcradle
11-19-2009, 09:21 AM
IF ever CJ Giles will be naturalize as a lebanese, can they field him together w/ Vroman for their national team?

Alex07
11-19-2009, 09:30 AM
IF ever CJ Giles will be naturalize as a lebanese, can they field him together w/ Vroman for their national team?

fortunately they are only allowed to field one naturalized player..and I doubt they will naturalize CJ Giles

manu_bol
11-19-2009, 09:31 AM
IF ever CJ Giles will be naturalize as a lebanese, can they field him together w/ Vroman for their national team?

nope. only 1 naturalized player for each country. it's either vroman or giles for lebanon. i'm sure it would be vroman for the NT. giles would be playing for riyahdi in the champions cup.

thayil
11-19-2009, 09:52 AM
if you look at the PILIPINAS basketball facebook CJ posted something on the wall..

bitterness?

you judge..


http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8568/cjgiles.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/cjgiles.jpg/)

Zero
11-19-2009, 10:11 AM
^Like what I said. No use explaining to this guy. Just ignore him.

Co-sign. :p

The guy is also banned in the PBA.ph forum.

nardy
11-19-2009, 10:55 AM
if you look at the PILIPINAS basketball facebook CJ posted something on the wall..

bitterness?

you judge..


http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8568/cjgiles.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/cjgiles.jpg/)

bro pls excuse my ignorance but what does "FiiMS" means?

Also saw comments of his bestfriend, brother and mother, let's just let them be and let's see what happens to CJ in Riyadi after awhile, I know Vogel and El Turk would not tolerate his habits if he also do there what he had done here in Manila. And with Freije also in the team, CJ would just be a support to the main stars of the team.

Once he get's kicked out of Lebanon let's see if any team would dare touch him. He better watch out as Riyadi management are not as patient and compassionate as SMART GILAS.

Zero
11-19-2009, 11:47 AM
F*ck it in my system? :confused:

noilsen
11-19-2009, 11:47 AM
fiims(f**k it in my system) i believe is a clothing line or what the others say is a "movement"... but i dont know it's relevance with the gilas squad...

the comment below is iverson wearing clothes that is part of the fiim line..

talion
11-19-2009, 12:41 PM
IF ever CJ Giles will be naturalize as a lebanese, can they field him together w/ Vroman for their national team?

there is a possibility. if giles proves to be even of 1/8 lebanese blood then lebanese laws will recognize him as lebanese

Alex07
11-19-2009, 01:26 PM
F*ck it in my system? :confused:

I see that fiims on his twitter even before he was dropped out of Gilas

daniab
11-19-2009, 01:33 PM
there is a possibility. if giles proves to be even of 1/8 lebanese blood then lebanese laws will recognize him as lebanese

watch your words ok ?
You guys are the last to talk,most of your players are Americans with Filipino herritage and you still talking about us? :mad:

sergio23
11-19-2009, 01:43 PM
watch your words ok ?
You guys are the last to talk,most of your players are Americans with Filipino herritage and you still talking about us? :mad:

take it easy.. dude..

patay-butiki
11-19-2009, 01:45 PM
watch your words ok ?
You guys are the last to talk,most of your players are Americans with Filipino herritage and you still talking about us? :mad:

dude, if you don't like jokes about lebanon, get out of the philippine thread and stay in the lebanon thread. :cool:

and if one poster says something bad about your country, please do not generalize and say "you guys."

what if i go to the lebanon thread and say "you people." what will you feel? :mad:

daniab
11-19-2009, 01:47 PM
dude, if you don't like jokes about lebanon, get out of the philippine thread and stay in the lebanon thread. :cool:

and if one poster says something bad about your country, please do not generalize and say "you guys."

what if i go to the lebanon thread and say "you people." what will you feel? :mad:

By "you guys" i meant those who talked about us.
It hurts when people pull out such jokes about my country bcz its not the truth and its just because some people are simply haters.

kerouac82
11-19-2009, 01:52 PM
although many including myself wanted it but greg did not like the pressure from a blue schools gets:D

Evidence please.

sergio23
11-19-2009, 01:56 PM
Sapakin ko na tong tga ibang bansa na toh!!

Trans:

Take it easy guys.. no need to fight..

kerouac82
11-19-2009, 01:57 PM
watch your words ok ?
You guys are the last to talk,most of your players are Americans with Filipino herritage and you still talking about us? :mad:

Dude, try to place things into context here. Those guys did not mean to insult Lebanon. They were just discussing the possibility of Giles playing for your NT.

BTW, let me correct you on this one. Just because a guy like "Helterbrand" has an American-sounding name doesn't mean he is not Filipino. He is Filipino through and through, only he used his adoptive father's surname. A lot of our players, though not "most", are half-Filipino, not just "with Filipino heritage". Guys like Aguilar, Yap, Raymundo, and Baguio are as Filipino as Filipino can get.

Red Baron
11-19-2009, 01:58 PM
Sapakin ko na tong tga ibang bansa na toh!!

Trans:

Take it easy guys.. no need to fight..

i agree just relax..temper, temper....

daniab
11-19-2009, 02:01 PM
Dude, try to place things into context here. Those guys did not mean to insult Lebanon. They were just discussing the possibility of Giles playing for your NT.

BTW, let me correct you on this one. Just because a guy like "Helterbrand" has an American-sounding name doesn't mean he is not Filipino. He is Filipino through and through, only he used his adoptive father's surname. A lot of our players, though not "most", are half-Filipino, not just "with Filipino heritage". Guys like Aguilar, Yap, Raymundo, and Baguio are as Filipino as Filipino can get.

I didnt meant those guys are not Filipinos,i said many of your players have dual citizenship like Asi Taulava,Mick Pennisi,Gabe Norwood ... and the same goes to our players.

I know exactly what Talion meant by his words and thats why i replied!

patay-butiki
11-19-2009, 02:04 PM
By "you guys" i meant those who talked about us.
It hurts when people pull out such jokes about my country bcz its not the truth and its just because some people are simply haters.

well i don't think talion is a lebanon hater. it was just a joke, no matter how improper it sounds.

i do understand that those kinds of jokes can really be hurtful, and are almost always tantamount to a flame bait.

but i guess i just hate it when other nationalities go to the philippine section and use words like "you guys."

ofcourse you can claim that you used those words to mean the guys who talked about your country. but maybe you should be more careful posting words like that, especially in another country's section of the forum.

kerouac82
11-19-2009, 02:13 PM
I didnt meant those guys are not Filipinos,i said many of your players have dual citizenship like Asi Taulava,Mick Pennisi,Gabe Norwood ... and the same goes to our players.

I know exactly what Talion meant by his words and thats why i replied!

What exactly did talion say?




there is a possibility. if giles proves to be even of 1/8 lebanese blood then lebanese laws will recognize him as lebanese



I don't see anything wrong with that. If that's the way your citizenship laws work, then so be it. We can't do anything about that.

By the way, I'm quite sure Giles does not have any Lebanese blood and talion might be quite sure about that, so just assume he was just kidding. Nothing to get worked up about here.

kerouac82
11-19-2009, 02:14 PM
well i don't think talion is a lebanon hater. it was just a joke, no matter how improper it sounds.

i do understand that those kinds of jokes can really be hurtful, and are almost always tantamount to a flame bait.

but i guess i just hate it when other nationalities go to the philippine section and use words like "you guys."

ofcourse you can claim that you used those words to mean the guys who talked about your country. but maybe you should be more careful posting words like that, especially in another country's section of the forum.

Things always get lost in translation. :p

patay-butiki
11-19-2009, 02:23 PM
Things always get lost in translation. :p

ano ka mo? :p

trans: duh?!? :D

talion
11-19-2009, 04:50 PM
not meant to offend daniab. he's an old freind from way back. i am only saying that if cj giles has lebanese ancestry if that's even possible then he can play with vroman on their national team.

pachador
11-19-2009, 06:53 PM
makes one wonder if giles was 'faking' his agony over his son's illness so he can transfer for better pay to a club team ? . did someone even have proof his son had that blood illness ?

nardy
11-19-2009, 07:23 PM
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/profile6/223/17/q16806270_5006.jpg C. J. Giles YO>>REAL TALK SOMEONE got into my FB and wrote that ISH..Trust me im GREAT..new place NEW MONEY and everything, Yes FiiMS coming sooN.....sorry for all of the PBA and smart gilas ish that he or she wrote on my WALL. I have most respect FOR the philippines..
19 minutes ago

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/profile6/223/17/q16806270_5006.jpg C. J. Giles I GOT TO CREATE 5 HATERS A DAY TO KEEP THIS STAR SHINING..PEOPLE CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT ABOUT ME PUT WHATEVER IN THE PAPER, ITS BEEN GOING ON MY WHOLE LIFE. BUT JUST KNOW ONE THING..IM GOINGN TO KEEP WORKING..AND IM GOING TO TAKE CARE OF WHOEVER HACKED INTO MY ACCOUNT...
20 minutes ago

CJ would surely miss the good times he had in Manila.

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs004.snc3/11142_1208076237073_1083710780_30589635_1281568_n. jpg

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs095.snc3/16266_104600936221188_100000138458402_122304_56793 80_n.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs027.snc3/11439_1298924992526_1212441562_903149_5750882_n.jp g

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs252.snc1/9933_1258914792652_1223113919_762560_3150301_n.jpg

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs272.snc1/9933_1258913392617_1223113919_762551_3127450_n.jpg

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs253.snc1/10029_178195021689_603321689_4271295_206727_n.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs263.snc1/9031_1247940236605_1172410422_794123_3088564_n.jpg

randomguy
11-19-2009, 11:17 PM
He should play as an import for RoS. I'm pretty sure he and ??? will have a good time.... getting drunk like a -bleeep-:D

sergio23
11-19-2009, 11:34 PM
He got some bad friends here bad influence ehehhe..btw who is that girl?

Iron Monkey
11-19-2009, 11:40 PM
He got some bad friends here bad influence ehehhe..btw who is that girl?

beats me... oh and was she even a girl? :D

thayil
11-20-2009, 01:10 AM
bro pls excuse my ignorance but what does "FiiMS" means?

Also saw comments of his bestfriend, brother and mother, let's just let them be and let's see what happens to CJ in Riyadi after awhile, I know Vogel and El Turk would not tolerate his habits if he also do there what he had done here in Manila. And with Freije also in the team, CJ would just be a support to the main stars of the team.

Once he get's kicked out of Lebanon let's see if any team would dare touch him. He better watch out as Riyadi management are not as patient and compassionate as SMART GILAS.

sir about the fiims thing. I've ask a friend about the mean.. not so sure but based on my understanding "all about drama" its like in tagalog "ang drama nyo"

sergio23
11-20-2009, 01:17 AM
beats me... oh and was she even a girl? :D

OMG she is a HE?? shoyot?

nardy
11-20-2009, 02:24 AM
He got some bad friends here bad influence ehehhe..btw who is that girl?

she's a close fil-am friend of the Giles brothers who is active in the party-circuit of the rich and famous. they're in a circle that really knows how to party and have fun. anyway her name is not important as this is a basketball forum, just check the society pages in the newspapers or the glossy magazines and you might sight her there.

Anyway CJ seems to have deleted his account at Facebook already. And time to close the CJ Giles chapter in SMART GILAS. Let's just hope we find the right player that we could naturalized and who would truly fit the needs of the team. He should be able to fill-up the weakness that the team has and would enable it to be really competitive Internationally.

manu_bol
11-20-2009, 02:30 AM
giles would surely miss partying like that in lebanon... :D

it's not how much sbp can give these foreigners... there's much more that the philippines can offer.

a predominantly christian country...
a US ally...
cheaper standard of living/lower prices...
an english-speaking country...
beautiful sights and scenes...
beautiful women...
basketball players are idolized and pampered in the philippines...

nardy
11-20-2009, 02:58 AM
I think Jamal Sampson might be the leading candidate.

http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/sampson_jamal00.html


http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cal/sports/m-baskbl/01-02roster/p-sampson.jpg

Class: Freshman
Hometown: Inglewood, CA
High School: Mater Dei HS

Height / Weight: 6-11 / 235
Position: C/F
Birthdate: 05/15/1983
Experience: HS

Sampson enters Cal after an outstanding high school career in which he earned third team Parade All-America honors ... considered one of the Top 30 freshmen in the country by most recruiting services ... an athletic player who runs the court especially well for a person his size ... finishes well around the basket ... defensively, has the ability to affect opposing teams with his shot-blocking skills ... cousin of former NBA star Ralph Sampson.

High School: Sampson averaged 15.5 ppg, 10.0 rpg and 2.4 bpg as a senior ... led his Mater Dei team to the California state championship with a 57-54 victory over Modesto Christian ... Mater Dei finished the 2000-01 season with a 33-2 record and a No. 4 national ranking from USA Today ... rated the nation's No. 15 recruit by Foxsports.com and the No. 1 center on the West Coast by Rivals.com ... also ranked No. 26 overall by The Sporting News and No. 21 by CBSSportsline.com ... invited to play in the Coca-Cola All-American Classic in Las Vegas in April 2001 ... missed several games his senior season with bone spurs, but had corrective surgery over the summer ... as a junior, averaged 13.7 ppg, 10.6 rpg and blocked 147 shots.

Personal: Jamal Wesley Sampson ... born May 15, 1983 in Inglewood, CA ... parents are Bernard Sampson and Ruth Smith ... chose Cal after considering such schools as Saint Louis, Connecticut, UCLA and Kansas ... enjoys fishing and swimming in his spare time ... undeclared major.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Sampson

http://www.databasebasketball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=SampsJa01

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sampsja01.html

http://www.nba.com/media/bobcats/player_profiles_sampson.jpg

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2007/0213/20070213_104005_sp14nuggets_200.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/raptors/rapsampson_093008_200.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos/2008/09/30/sampson-j-ap-061228-392.jpg

http://www.sportsmemorabiliabaseball.com/my_files/image/001117.JPG

nashill
11-20-2009, 03:02 AM
if only the twin towers of cebu are committed to playing for the country, i would rather naturalize a athletic small forward that can play a fast phase basketball..

junmar
japeth
a 6'7'' naturalized player
lutz
pringle

nardy
11-20-2009, 03:20 AM
if only the twin towers of cebu are committed to playing for the country, i would rather naturalize a athletic small forward that can play a fast phase basketball..

junmar
japeth
a 6'7'' naturalized player
lutz
pringle

who said Greg is not committed to the country, he is practicing hard with the team since he came back last week. He did not even gone back to Cebu even if the UV Green Lancers were to play the San Beda Red Lions as part of their preparation for the PCCL. Am expecting Coach Rajko to field him in today vs Rain or Shine.

And we do not know the arrangement that SBP has with UC, there is no official announcement that JunMar is definitely not joining SMART GILAS. We have to remember there is an arrangement between Noli Eala and the schools that they would not pull-out the players from their school commitments. Since UC was busy still at the PCCL, Fajardo might just have opted to finish first the current task on hand because unlike Greg maybe he is not used to multi-tasking.

Alex07
11-20-2009, 03:26 AM
I think Jamal Sampson might be the leading candidate.

http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/sampson_jamal00.html


http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cal/sports/m-baskbl/01-02roster/p-sampson.jpg

Class: Freshman
Hometown: Inglewood, CA
High School: Mater Dei HS

Height / Weight: 6-11 / 235
Position: C/F
Birthdate: 05/15/1983
Experience: HS

Sampson enters Cal after an outstanding high school career in which he earned third team Parade All-America honors ... considered one of the Top 30 freshmen in the country by most recruiting services ... an athletic player who runs the court especially well for a person his size ... finishes well around the basket ... defensively, has the ability to affect opposing teams with his shot-blocking skills ... cousin of former NBA star Ralph Sampson.

High School: Sampson averaged 15.5 ppg, 10.0 rpg and 2.4 bpg as a senior ... led his Mater Dei team to the California state championship with a 57-54 victory over Modesto Christian ... Mater Dei finished the 2000-01 season with a 33-2 record and a No. 4 national ranking from USA Today ... rated the nation's No. 15 recruit by Foxsports.com and the No. 1 center on the West Coast by Rivals.com ... also ranked No. 26 overall by The Sporting News and No. 21 by CBSSportsline.com ... invited to play in the Coca-Cola All-American Classic in Las Vegas in April 2001 ... missed several games his senior season with bone spurs, but had corrective surgery over the summer ... as a junior, averaged 13.7 ppg, 10.6 rpg and blocked 147 shots.

Personal: Jamal Wesley Sampson ... born May 15, 1983 in Inglewood, CA ... parents are Bernard Sampson and Ruth Smith ... chose Cal after considering such schools as Saint Louis, Connecticut, UCLA and Kansas ... enjoys fishing and swimming in his spare time ... undeclared major.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Sampson

http://www.databasebasketball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=SampsJa01

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sampsja01.html

http://www.nba.com/media/bobcats/player_profiles_sampson.jpg

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2007/0213/20070213_104005_sp14nuggets_200.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/raptors/rapsampson_093008_200.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos/2008/09/30/sampson-j-ap-061228-392.jpg

http://www.sportsmemorabiliabaseball.com/my_files/image/001117.JPG

one thing that worries me sir nardz is can we naturalize the guy in time for the Asian Games? We all know that the election is coming and the guys in congress are busy for campaigning etc. how much time do we need to naturalize a player? can it be done before the elections?

nardy
11-20-2009, 04:32 AM
one thing that worries me sir nardz is can we naturalize the guy in time for the Asian Games? We all know that the election is coming and the guys in congress are busy for campaigning etc. how much time do we need to naturalize a player? can it be done before the elections?

We are not after the Gold at the Asian Games, what we are after is that we become competitive vs our Asian Neighbors at that time. I'll say if we reach the semi-finals in Guangzhou, China in that November 2010 games it is already an achievement most especially if we do it sans a Naturalized Player. What is important is that at least a month before the submission of the final line-up for the 2011 FIBA-Asia Championship, our chosen player already had his papers in order. As long as the naturalization candidate was able to adopt to the Toroman system and he compliments the other SMART GILAS players that is what is important. Anyway the games that they are to play outside the Asian Games does not require him to be already a Naturalized Player.

Please note Chris Kaman only acquired his German citizenship on July 6, 2008 on time for the 12-team FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men that took place in Athens (Greece), from 14th to 20th July, 2008.

My question is if we are to participate at the FIBA Asia Stanković Cup in 2010, in that case if we want to qualify to the 2011 FIBA Asia before the 2011 SEABA Qualifyers then we would really need the Naturalized Player legally documented on-time for said tournament, as per FIBA.com it is calendared on 28 Jul. 2010 - 01 Aug. 2010.

For the 2010 FIBA Asia Cup for Men's Clubs calendared on 01 May 2010, even if he is not Naturalized it is just fine as the teams are allowed to have imports.

Andrew81
11-20-2009, 04:50 AM
Hey that woman looks familiar to me..I saw her in Glorietta before..:D

check
11-20-2009, 04:52 AM
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s54/speedyclaxton_2007/454b17905904016444b67678b5079bb4-ge.jpg
if you want a center and the best of the best get marcus haislip, 6'10currnently nga lang playing with spurs

lizardking
11-20-2009, 06:47 AM
We are not after the Gold at the Asian Games, what we are after is that we become competitive vs our Asian Neighbors at that time. I'll say if we reach the semi-finals in Guangzhou, China in that November 2010 games it is already an achievement most especially if we do it sans a Naturalized Player. What is important is that at least a month before the submission of the final line-up for the 2011 FIBA-Asia Championship, our chosen player already had his papers in order. As long as the naturalization candidate was able to adopt to the Toroman system and he compliments the other SMART GILAS players that is what is important. Anyway the games that they are to play outside the Asian Games does not require him to be already a Naturalized Player.

No disrespect sir nards but it bothers me that we only seek to be competitive and reach the semifinals in the Asiad given the prep time of Smart Gilas. I mean the ill-prepared PBA teams achieved the semis easy. So why arent we shooting for at least the finals and then take it from there.

It also bothers me that we just try to reach the semis in the Asiad then play catch-up/adjust in the few months leading to FIBA Asia. For once, I'd like to have the rest of the teams enter the court feeling they will probably lose against us. That fear is already plus 5 to us in my opinion. Sila maghabol.

But in the long run sir nards, does Coach Toroman see the possibility of us becoming champs without a naturalized center?

dunk_on_me
11-20-2009, 06:59 AM
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s54/speedyclaxton_2007/454b17905904016444b67678b5079bb4-ge.jpg
if you want a center and the best of the best get marcus haislip, 6'10currnently nga lang playing with spurs


Why is it that until now people do not understand that the SBP has limited budget and CAN NOT tap the NBA players??? And due to limited resources, SBP is not looking for the best of the best. Rather, SBP is looking for someone that fills the need of the team and complements the entire Gilas squad.

So please lang....quit nominating players that are far fetched...

manu_bol
11-20-2009, 07:02 AM
No disrespect sir nards but it bothers me that we only seek to be competitive and reach the semifinals in the Asiad given the prep time of Smart Gilas. I mean the ill-prepared PBA teams achieved the semis easy. So why arent we shooting for at least the finals and then take it from there.

It also bothers me that we just try to reach the semis in the Asiad then play catch-up/adjust in the few months leading to FIBA Asia. For once, I'd like to have the rest of the teams enter the court feeling they will probably lose against us. That fear is already plus 5 to us in my opinion. Sila maghabol.

But in the long run sir nards, does Coach Toroman see the possibility of us becoming champs without a naturalized center?

that was before... now, any ill-prepared pba-backed NT would be hard pressed to qualify even for the quarters.

iran and jordan NTs had their coming out party in the last doha asian games

lizardking
11-20-2009, 07:22 AM
that was before... now, any ill-prepared pba-backed NT would be hard pressed to qualify even for the quarters.

iran and jordan NTs had their coming out party in the last doha asian games

Might be too harsh. Considering that the WORST prepared pba team just made the quarters last FIBA.

Then again, i may be wrong as the Jawo team would probably have the least prep time.

But as far as naturalization candidates sir, do you subscribe to the idea that were goners without a naturalized center?

nardy
11-20-2009, 07:25 AM
No disrespect sir nards but it bothers me that we only seek to be competitive and reach the semifinals in the Asiad given the prep time of Smart Gilas. I mean the ill-prepared PBA teams achieved the semis easy. So why arent we shooting for at least the finals and then take it from there.

It also bothers me that we just try to reach the semis in the Asiad then play catch-up/adjust in the few months leading to FIBA Asia. For once, I'd like to have the rest of the teams enter the court feeling they will probably lose against us. That fear is already plus 5 to us in my opinion. Sila maghabol.

But in the long run sir nards, does Coach Toroman see the possibility of us becoming champs without a naturalized center?


What I am saying we would be getting a player for Naturalization as early as we can and that he would train with GILAS as soon as possible. But if his papers are not yet ready by the time of the Asian Games, then said player has to skip said tournament while rest of the team tries to win but it has been mentioned by both Coach Rajko and Noli Eala winning the Asiad Gold is not the objective and if we do then it's a bonus.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=501004&publicationSubCategoryId=69

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=490937&publicationSubCategoryId=69



“The Asian Games will be our initial barometer, our first test case,” said Eala. “It will show us where we are with respect to the other Asian powers. Our goal will be to make it to the semifinals.” Ultimately, Smart-Gilas’ objective is to qualify for the 2012 London Olympics via the FIBA-Asia Championships which Manila is bidding to host the year before.

Getting to at least the Semifinals I feel on my own opinion is good enough as we do not want to peak too early as our objective is the 2011 FIBA Asia. It's just a one step-at a time, as we are being realistic and not expecting instant success.

Another thing if we depend too much on the Naturalized Player, it would be counter productive as the development of our homegrown bigmen would be affected.

Look at Lebanon, they do not even bother to send a team to the Asian Games. In reality the status of the Asiad has detoriated in recent years and I remember even China saying that they would not send their best athletes there in other sports and would rather have them compete in tournaments in the US and Europe.

And Coach Rajko also feels it is possible for the Philippines to win even without a Naturalized Player as he strongly feels:

http://teampilipinas.info/2009/09/toroman-aims-for-team-chemistry-not.html



"It’s a team game,’’ said Toroman, Gilas RP coach and project director of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

So it’s really not a matter of size but the composition of your team.’’

manu_bol
11-20-2009, 07:29 AM
Might be too harsh. Considering that the WORST prepared pba team just made the quarters last FIBA.

Then again, i may be wrong as the Jawo team would probably have the least prep time.

But as far as naturalization candidates sir, do you subscribe to the idea that were goners without a naturalized center?

we have to look at the teams competing in the asian games. the last time we participated in busan, we only have to compete with china, korea, japan and kazaks. now, add jordan, iran, qatar, and lebanon (if they would participate) .
the field has gotten tougher.

it's not how much we prepare, it how other teams have gotten better.

reamily
11-20-2009, 07:30 AM
What I am saying we would be getting a player for Naturalization as early as we can and that he would train with GILAS as soon as possible. But if his papers are not yet ready by the time of the Asian Games, then said player has to skip said tournament while rest of the team tries to win but it has been mentioned by both Coach Rajko and Noli Eala winning the Asiad Gold is not the objective and if we do then it's a bonus.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=501004&publicationSubCategoryId=69

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=490937&publicationSubCategoryId=69




Getting to at least the Semifinals I feel on my own opinion is good enough as we do not want to peak too early as our objective is the 2011 FIBA Asia. It's just a one step-at a time, as we are being realistic and not expecting instant success.

Another thing if we depend too much on the Naturalized Player, it would be counter productive as the development of our homegrown bigmen would be affected.

Look at Lebanon, they do not even bother to send a team to the Asian Games. In reality the status of the Asiad has detoriated in recent years and I remember even China saying that they would not send their best athletes there in other sports and would rather have them compete in tournaments in the US and Europe.

at least sir we see our team to peaked unlike the two previous team who did not seem to find their so called peak form:D:D:D

manu_bol
11-20-2009, 07:33 AM
at least sir we see our team to peaked unlike the two previous team who did not seem to find their so called peak form:D:D:D

the 2007 NT peaked too early (pre-jones cup and jones cup). they got burned out in tokushima.

lizardking
11-20-2009, 07:38 AM
What I am saying we would be getting a player for Naturalization as early as we can and that he would train with GILAS as soon as possible. But if his papers are not yet ready by the time of the Asian Games, then said player has to skip said tournament while rest of the team tries to win but it has been mentioned by both Coach Rajko and Noli Eala winning the Asiad Gold is not the objective and if we do then it's a bonus.


Getting to at least the Semifinals I feel on my own opinion is good enough as we do not want to peak too early as our objective is the 2011 FIBA Asia. It's just a one step-at a time, as we are being realistic and not expecting instant success.

Another thing if we depend too much on the Naturalized Player, it would be counter productive as the development of our homegrown bigmen would be affected.

Look at Lebanon, they do not even bother to send a team to the Asian Games. In reality the status of the Asiad has detoriated in recent years and I remember even China saying that they would not send their best athletes there in other sports and would rather have them compete in tournaments in the US and Europe.

Ok, I never thought of it that way. I lost focus on that singular, longer term goal. I was thingking more of lets win em all. But its comfortable to hear you guys in SBP say that if we win the gold its a bonus. At least the thought crossed your minds.

I also never thought of that peaking stuff. Seems you guys have really thought this through. Were really in good hands.

So, sir nards, has Coach Toroman seen a scenario where, push comes to shove, we can do it by ourselves, with no naturalized center?

nardy
11-20-2009, 07:38 AM
the 2007 NT peaked too early (pre-jones cup and jones cup). they got burned out in tokushima.

Coach Chot did not pace his players well as he chased all the possible tournaments he could win. He also shown all his cards at that time that's why come FIBA-Asia Mark Caguiao's moves are no longer a surprise to the other teams and they scouted him very well.

nardy
11-20-2009, 07:47 AM
Ok, I never thought of it that way. I lost focus on that singular, longer term goal. I was thingking more of lets win em all. But its comfortable to hear you guys in SBP say that if we win the gold its a bonus. At least the thought crossed your minds.

I also never thought of that peaking stuff. Seems you guys have really thought this through. Were really in good hands.

So, sir nards, has Coach Toroman seen a scenario where, push comes to shove, we can do it by ourselves, with no naturalized center?

We just have to believe in ourselves first. One Naturalized Player is still only one player, it takes a team to win the Championship.

But hopefully we can really find the right talented player to naturalize, one which is without the excess baggage and has no "toyo". We have to remember as a National Player, being an official representative of the country one must be a model citizen and that does not exemp the Naturalized Player who must doubly prove that he deserved to be called a FILIPINO.

lizardking
11-20-2009, 07:57 AM
at least sir we see our team to peaked unlike the two previous team who did not seem to find their so called peak form:D:D:D

I just observed that the POWERADE team had the tools to finish in the semis. Considering the blowouts in the Jones Cup then the closer fights in FIBA, they were fast learners. You're right, they never reached peak form. Far from it.

nardy
11-20-2009, 08:07 AM
I just observed that the POWERADE team had the tools to finish in the semis. Considering the blowouts in the Jones Cup then the closer fights in FIBA, they were fast learners. You're right, they never reached peak form. Far from it.

That team never evolved into a real team as to me they are just a selection of all-star player. Their poor preparation really done them in as thru-out theit existence they were adjusting to each other, there was no real team chemistry. The "Yeng Guiao" Physical type of game could have worked but with the team unable to get a complete attendance from its players in their rare and far-in-between practices is just too much. I could even say that the 1990 Asian Games team of Sonny Jaworski is more prepared as a team than POWERADE even though they existed in less number time than this 2009 FIBA Asia National Team.

lizardking
11-20-2009, 08:09 AM
We just have to believe in ourselves first. One Naturalized Player is still only one player, it takes a team to win the Championship.

But hopefully we can really find the right talented player to naturalize, one which is without the excess baggage and has no "toyo". We have to remember as a National Player, being an official representative of the country one must be a model citizen and that does not exemp the Naturalized Player who must doubly prove that he deserved to be called a FILIPINO.

Agree. Sir Nards, were the three NCC players examples of this kind of player with no "toyo"? What was their mindset as far as being probable Filipinos?

KevinDurant
11-20-2009, 11:41 AM
Ok, I never thought of it that way. I lost focus on that singular, longer term goal. I was thingking more of lets win em all. But its comfortable to hear you guys in SBP say that if we win the gold its a bonus. At least the thought crossed your minds.

I also never thought of that peaking stuff. Seems you guys have really thought this through. Were really in good hands.

So, sir nards, has Coach Toroman seen a scenario where, push comes to shove, we can do it by ourselves, with no naturalized center?


In a basketball program, you win some, you lose some. In the past we expected a Gold from our PBA players. Coz we wanted to gain results the easy way.

International basketball is just like a one big league. You have a team that matures together. Spain's nucleus has been playing together for at least 8 years. Ditto with the other successful teams. In some tournaments, they excel..in some, they suck..

Let's just not expect to win all games. Just like any other PBA team in the league, there are conferences that they perform well, and they don't. The same must be applied even to our National Team. They are a part of a competitive region anyway.

daniab
11-20-2009, 02:25 PM
giles would surely miss partying like that in lebanon... :D

it's not how much sbp can give these foreigners... there's much more that the philippines can offer.

a predominantly christian country...
a US ally...
cheaper standard of living/lower prices...
an english-speaking country...
beautiful sights and scenes...
beautiful women...
basketball players are idolized and pampered in the philippines...

hahahaha he wont be missing anything like that in Lebanon.

Beirut is the best nightlife in the world accodring to many websites and CNN lately!
Lebanon is a French-English speaking country

the rest no need to talk abt it lol :D

Andrew81
11-20-2009, 03:32 PM
hahahaha he wont be missing anything like that in Lebanon.

Beirut is the best nightlife in the world accodring to many websites and CNN lately!
Lebanon is a French-English speaking country

the rest no need to talk abt it lol :D

Yah i know that..Lebanon is same with Philippines according to my friends who are in lebanon before..:)

sergio23
11-20-2009, 04:56 PM
hahahaha he wont be missing anything like that in Lebanon.

Beirut is the best nightlife in the world accodring to many websites and CNN lately!
Lebanon is a French-English speaking country

the rest no need to talk abt it lol :D

Daniab please post some hot chic in ther! ehehe joke..so if im going there Im pretty sure ill be happy too... woooahhh

yesha_24
11-20-2009, 05:56 PM
Might be too harsh. Considering that the WORST prepared pba team just made the quarters last FIBA.

Then again, i may be wrong as the Jawo team would probably have the least prep time.

But as far as naturalization candidates sir, do you subscribe to the idea that were goners without a naturalized center?

With almost all of the countries having 1 good naturalized player, YES.
I believe in teamwork, but I also believe in what 1 good naturalized player can do to make his team in the advantage. Jordan's Wright is the best example.

Alex07
11-20-2009, 08:09 PM
good showing by the Gilas team though they are still far from my expectations (well who cares about that anyways)...the chemistry is there..the defense, not so kinda....glad to see the other members step up.Atleast we can say that they can beat a PBA team without a naturalized player(import).The question is can they do this consistently..that's remained to be seen.

Dr.J has a point one time on his commentary,that if other players can't step up(well tonight they did).They should be thinking of getting other players in the pool.They made rookie mistakes most of the time that we can't afford to make that kind of mistakes internationally.The point is this is the PBA and the PBA is far from the competitiveness of Fiba.

We all know that they are far from 2011 but is the progress of some players are slower than expected,IMO they should think of getting matured players(pros).But that would compensate some of the chemistry which is very important for the team...My solution will be getting some pro players this early(if that is in any means earthly possible).

Alex07
11-20-2009, 08:32 PM
No disrespect sir nards but it bothers me that we only seek to be competitive and reach the semifinals in the Asiad given the prep time of Smart Gilas. I mean the ill-prepared PBA teams achieved the semis easy. So why arent we shooting for at least the finals and then take it from there.

It also bothers me that we just try to reach the semis in the Asiad then play catch-up/adjust in the few months leading to FIBA Asia. For once, I'd like to have the rest of the teams enter the court feeling they will probably lose against us. That fear is already plus 5 to us in my opinion. Sila maghabol.

But in the long run sir nards, does Coach Toroman see the possibility of us becoming champs without a naturalized center?

Being an epal to a question not directed to me :D I'll try to answer this question based solely on my unprofessional,biased yet unadulterated opinion :D. I don't think Gilas is competitive enough to make it without a naturalized center.We are too weak in the middle.Japeth plays more of a small forward,Rabeh jumps too low,Ballesteros will be dunked on by bigger and stronger guys and Slaughter is far from competitive form.

I also think Gilas needs bigger players in the small forward spot.If only the other players in the PBA are available then we could have had bigger guards and forwards while Gilas can supply some guards and the big men of the team.But I guess that won't happen.I was wondering if Toroman is asking himself while watching the game against Rain or shine..like" why can't those guys play for my team?" (looking at Norwood and JR Reyes).But anyways that is purely a figment of my imagination.:p

We have good height in the front line..we have 6'9-6'11 guys but they still lack the experience they need.If we go small on the guard and forward spot that might affect our defense(which is obviously lacking on the Rain or Shine game last night).Guys like Mercado heck the smaller Arana and Tang are almost scoring at will...What more if we handle the top shooters of Asia not to mention the big strong guard of Jordan in Rashiem Wright.I can't see a Chris Tiu a Dylan Ababou heck even a Mac Baracael stopping those kind of guys penetrating the lanes.If Japeth will help out as a weakside defense expect Rashiem Wright or even Sun Yue to raise his stats on the assist department..but then again I could be hella wrong.

I think we can make it in the semis of the Fiba-Asia in 2011 and we have to hope and pray for the best from there(whether or not we make it to the semis or the finals).I hope the boys will be on their prime come 2011.If they will not make it in 2012 I know they'll be a force to reckon with for the years to come(considering they have the same system and coach with some minor lineup adjustment).

Red Baron
11-20-2009, 11:29 PM
I believe the GILAS lack experience is very evident in their game specially bigmen.. Just give them one main center that will bring defense and rebounding i believe they will be fine even an ASI Taulava of 2002 Asian game type of player that will be more than enough..

In term of small forward just trained Japeth Aguilar or a Big version of Abbabou i think that will be a good complement to our Center.

patay-butiki
11-20-2009, 11:41 PM
hmmm.... not so impressive comments on the no. 1 choice to replace cj giles. :(

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/warriors/2009/07/13/what-happens-in-vegas/


What Happens in Vegas…
POSTED BY ALAURIDSEN ON JULY 13TH, 2009 AT 10:39 PM | CATEGORIZED AS SUMMER LEAGUE 2009

...........................................

Jamal Sampson — I saw Ralph Sampson many years dragging his broken body up and down the Oakland Coliseum court, and he looked just about as quick as Jamal during the summer league. A fouling machine when paired up against the Kings’ power forward of the future Thompson and largely silent when given a run against the soft-inside Pistons squad, it’s hard to imagine Sampson making the cut.

reamily
11-21-2009, 12:33 AM
the 2007 NT peaked too early (pre-jones cup and jones cup). they got burned out in tokushima.

and got their form again in the consolation round:D

thayil
11-21-2009, 03:56 AM
I saw the games last night..

One heck of a game by japeth.. The baseline Drive with a flashing dunk threw me away at my sit.

I saw Sampson also in Araneta, he is tall (legit 6'11")and NBA type real caliber player in physicality. But one thing that really amaze me is Smart gilas plays and Zone defense is for real and especially the improvement of Mac Baracael, his shooting is unbelievable, Im observing him during warm ups.. damn he hit 8 straight 3's..

sergio23
11-21-2009, 04:01 AM
I saw the games last night..

One heck of a game by japeth.. The baseline Drive with a flashing dunk threw me away at my sit.

I saw Sampson also in Araneta, he is tall (legit 6'11")and NBA type real caliber player in physicality. But one thing that really amaze me is Smart gilas plays and Zone defense is for real and especially the improvement of Mac Baracael, his shooting is unbelievable, Im observing him during warm ups.. damn he hit 8 straight 3's..

big muscles? cool I cant wait for this dude to play..yeah Mac Baraceal is good and he deliver when the team needs it..

kitin_21
11-21-2009, 04:13 AM
Japeth's dunk from the baseline was awesome...i was lying down on my bed ...it really made me awake...

reamily
11-21-2009, 04:19 AM
Japeth's dunk from the baseline was awesome...i was lying down on my bed ...it really made me awake...

konti pa sa depensa Japeth trans: few more Japeth

Notice too that greg is a puppy he listens and performs instructions well which is good for a young player

Ababou again was not on his self he is the most consistent performer in gilas before the PBA stint

Rey Guevarra's role in this team should not be taken for granted and I realize it lately he is more fit to the team than his fellow letranite RJ jazul and the reason is believe it or not they play the same:D

thayil
11-21-2009, 04:31 AM
konti pa sa depensa Japeth trans: few more Japeth

Notice too that greg is a puppy he listens and performs instructions well which is good for a young player

Ababou again was not on his self he is the most consistent performer in gilas before the PBA stint

Rey Guevarra's role in this team should not be taken for granted and I realize it lately he is more fit to the team than his fellow letranite RJ jazul and the reason is believe it or not they play the same:D

I think Rj is there for defense purposes..

bhinov
11-21-2009, 04:47 AM
Notice the improvement of JA since the Powerade-Gilas game? His dunks are much more crispier now. And how he runs the floor, it's much more better now. He doesn't look awkward when he runs the floor compared to the Powerade-Gilas game a few months ago. The spartan-like training is really paying off.

PS: I think Rabeh lost some weight too. a lot running in practices eh? :D

yesha_24
11-21-2009, 05:54 AM
Is this the SBP pool thread? :D

lizardking
11-21-2009, 06:21 AM
With almost all of the countries having 1 good naturalized player, YES.
I believe in teamwork, but I also believe in what 1 good naturalized player can do to make his team in the advantage. Jordan's Wright is the best example.

Ok, I guess its some sort of equalizer since the other countries are doing it anyway.

I was just of the thinking before that if Slaughter, Fajardo were on board, maybe we can do it on our own with ALL natural born Filipinos. But a glimpse of Slaughter in the limited minutes he played yesterday, made me think, "yes, we need a naturalized center". Not only to grab the boards and clog the middle but also to guide Slaughter along. Slaughter doesn't have the swagger and look yet of a good center.

Alex07
11-21-2009, 08:49 AM
Ok, I guess its some sort of equalizer since the other countries are doing it anyway.

I was just of the thinking before that if Slaughter, Fajardo were on board, maybe we can do it on our own with ALL natural born Filipinos. But a glimpse of Slaughter in the limited minutes he played yesterday, made me think, "yes, we need a naturalized center". Not only to grab the boards and clog the middle but also to guide Slaughter along. Slaughter doesn't have the swagger and look yet of a good center.

not to mention that Fajardo is still a no show

lizardking
11-21-2009, 08:57 AM
Being an epal to a question not directed to me :D I'll try to answer this question based solely on my unprofessional,biased yet unadulterated opinion :D. I don't think Gilas is competitive enough to make it without a naturalized center.We are too weak in the middle.Japeth plays more of a small forward,Rabeh jumps too low,Ballesteros will be dunked on by bigger and stronger guys and Slaughter is far from competitive form.

I also think Gilas needs bigger players in the small forward spot.If only the other players in the PBA are available then we could have had bigger guards and forwards while Gilas can supply some guards and the big men of the team.But I guess that won't happen.I was wondering if Toroman is asking himself while watching the game against Rain or shine..like" why can't those guys play for my team?" (looking at Norwood and JR Reyes).But anyways that is purely a figment of my imagination.:p

Man, it aint epal. As always, eager to read your point of view.

As of the game yesterday, I wholeheartedly agree now that we need that naturalized center. A guy who will lead our bigs by example. Infectious in his ethic. Japeth is indeed a 3, convertible to 4. And yes, Rabeh needs to realize the reality that he's a small man now. The rest are still soft, but theyre learning. I think they just lost some fear in the second half and suddenly more of their real game came out.

Hey, I was also thinking the same thing wondering what Toroman had in mind after Norwood's threes and slams.

Alex07
11-21-2009, 10:11 AM
Man, it aint epal. As always, eager to read your point of view.

As of the game yesterday, I wholeheartedly agree now that we need that naturalized center. A guy who will lead our bigs by example. Infectious in his ethic. Japeth is indeed a 3, convertible to 4. And yes, Rabeh needs to realize the reality that he's a small man now. The rest are still soft, but theyre learning. I think they just lost some fear in the second half and suddenly more of their real game came out.

Hey, I was also thinking the same thing wondering what Toroman had in mind after Norwood's threes and slams.

thanks man...I heard that Sampson will be practicing with Gilas today..I hope everything goes well

protossdomain
11-21-2009, 01:55 PM
giles would surely miss partying like that in lebanon... :D



I don't think so. Manila's night life is good, but Beirut's gooder. >_<

jesronne
11-21-2009, 02:18 PM
i hope anyone can update us regarding the new candidates for naturalization

Laziz
11-21-2009, 02:31 PM
giles would surely miss partying like that in lebanon... :D



You don't know Lebanon mate,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phjqVkmJx7Y

On the serious hand, I think its sad for both our countries, to rely on foreign players for our nationals teams. RP and Lebanon have a lot in common in basketball, both of us have basketball as the number one sport, we have a lot of expats, and sadly both of us are relying on the easy way, to reach our goals.

talion
11-21-2009, 03:25 PM
You don't know Lebanon mate,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phjqVkmJx7Y

On the serious hand, I think its sad for both our countries, to rely on foreign players for our nationals teams. RP and Lebanon have a lot in common in basketball, both of us have basketball as the number one sport, we have a lot of expats, and sadly both of us are relying on the easy way, to reach our goals.

it's good that you clarified basketball is lebanon's number 1 sport. i was led to believe by hollywood that your number one sport is called hacky sack. anyway, there's nothing to be sad about getting naturalized players. philippines has not depended on any naturalized player these past years and getting one in the future is not really a shameful idea because people do change nationalities and theres nothing abnormal with that.

lizardking
11-21-2009, 03:41 PM
You don't know Lebanon mate,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phjqVkmJx7Y

On the serious hand, I think its sad for both our countries, to rely on foreign players for our nationals teams. RP and Lebanon have a lot in common in basketball, both of us have basketball as the number one sport, we have a lot of expats, and sadly both of us are relying on the easy way, to reach our goals.

Yeah. But on the bright side, its just a means to an end. Also, it's provided in the rules. Finally, if the number one basketball power does it without any loss of prestige, I don't see why we can't have the same.

mayfel
11-21-2009, 04:11 PM
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=525705&publicationSubCategoryId=69


Veteran NBA player picked to replace Giles
By Nelson Beltran (The Philippine Star) Updated November 22, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas has chosen Jamal Wesley Sampson to replace C.J. Giles as new prospect for naturalization to reinforce Smart Gilas in its ambitious bid to make the London Olympics in 2012.

Sampson, a 6-foot-11 center-forward who has played with the Milwaukee Bucks, the LA Lakers, the Charlotte Bobcats, the Sacramento Kings and the Denver Nuggets in the NBA, arrived Friday night and immediately had a one-on-one session with coach Rajko Toroman at the Moro Lorenzo Sports Center yesterday.

SBP executive director Noli Eala said they’ve got a provisional agreement with Sampson, allowing him to play with Smart Gilas in its four remaining games as guest team of the ongoing PBA all-Filipino tourney.

Sampson, who played for University of California-Berkeley after an outstanding high school career
in which he earned third team Parade All-America honors, was chosen over Earl Barron and Shawn Pruitt among other available legitimate NBA talents.

He was in China for six days and was set to play for the Fujian team in the Chinese league when he got the offer to play for Smart Gilas. He flew to Manila Friday night straight from China.

“It’s too early to assess but we’re excited with him. He’s highly recommended. He’s got good credentials. He’s more mature and more experienced,” said Eala.

“Coach Rajko is impressed. He thinks Jamal is a good potential,” added Eala of their new naturalization prospect who is a cousin of 1983 NBA No. 1 draft selection Ralph Sampson.

The younger Sampson, 26, was picked by the Utah Jazz 47th overall in the 2002 NBA draft then was traded along with Ryan Humphrey to the Orlando Magic for Custis Borchardt. The Magic then traded him to Milwaukee for Rashard Griffith.

Sampson was considered among the top collegiate prospects after leading Mater Dei to the California state championship in 2001. He averaged 15.5 points, 10.0 rebounds and 2.5 blocks as a senior.

Sampson is said to be an athletic player who runs the court well for a person his size, finishes well around the basket and has the ability to affect opposing teams with his shot-blocking skills.

jesronne
11-21-2009, 04:14 PM
im excited about sampson.. i hope he is the guy for the job...

Red Baron
11-21-2009, 04:24 PM
I think this is a good start in acquiring Sampson

Khalid80
11-21-2009, 07:52 PM
it's good that you clarified basketball is lebanon's number 1 sport. i was led to believe by hollywood that your number one sport is called hacky sack.

I miss the good old hacky sack days :D

As for whom to naturalize u guys should not think of the name but more about which player would be most suitable for ur NT to stay for many years and be able to blend in with the core group. I do agree that the naturalized player should be a center.

talion
11-22-2009, 01:37 AM
I miss the good old hacky sack days :D

As for whom to naturalize u guys should not think of the name but more about which player would be most suitable for ur NT to stay for many years and be able to blend in with the core group. I do agree that the naturalized player should be a center.

it's a blessing if naturalized players stay with their adopted countries for a long time. but with the stiff competition from more financially feasible leagues from other countries , it is always a possibility that they'll seek better paying offers. i am not keeping my hopes high for any of our naturalization candidates. they can come and go. what i am truly hoping to come true is that at least 3 of the top 10 best professional PBA players reinforce our promising collegiate squad. with a system under Toroman, i think even a naturalized player-less philippine NT will be 10 x better than any hastily assembled all PBA players without any FIBA-styled system. by the way. how is Vroman doing?

cod3breaker
11-22-2009, 06:02 AM
Heck, if all else fails again for the Naturalization of our big man, (since it's a long way to go till the next FIBA Asiad) I say bring in Thoss, Penissi and Taulava back to Team Pilipinas and for sure they'll play with no if's and no but's. :D

Alex07
11-22-2009, 12:19 PM
Heck, if all else fails again for the Naturalization of our big man, (since it's a long way to go till the next FIBA Asiad) I say bring in Thoss, Penissi and Taulava back to Team Pilipinas and for sure they'll play with no if's and no but's. :D

thats IF they are allowed to

Silent Killer
11-22-2009, 12:24 PM
if you include mick he cant jump anymore hehe. see the evidence in recent Asiad championship :D

protossdomain
11-22-2009, 02:31 PM
Background check on Mr. Sampson here anyone?

Andrew81
11-22-2009, 03:58 PM
Background check on Mr. Sampson here anyone?

Its already been sed that his background is ok..;)

lizardking
11-22-2009, 04:29 PM
Japeth's dunk from the baseline was awesome...i was lying down on my bed ...it really made me awake...

Hmm..... did you light a cigarette after.


Just jokin bro. It really was great, may sobra pang talon.

Khalid80
11-22-2009, 07:52 PM
how is Vroman doing?

Vroman's playing in the Iranian league. As per what I've been reading so far he's not doing great but I'm assuming he will get better as the season progresses.

Ingat ka. Mamaya :)

tamagurl87
11-22-2009, 11:11 PM
back in the game here.....

i wish to see him play first before i'll be able to make comments. i mean the new prospect for naturalization.

talion
11-23-2009, 04:33 AM
Vroman's playing in the Iranian league. As per what I've been reading so far he's not doing great but I'm assuming he will get better as the season progresses.

Ingat ka. Mamaya :)

thank you very much. you take care too, big guy.;)

protossdomain
11-25-2009, 05:00 AM
Its already been sed that his background is ok..;)

December 29, 2004
The Bobcats placed Jamal Sampson on the injured list Wednesday with a left ankle sprain, according to the AP

November 30, 2004
The Bobcats placed Jamal Sampson on the injured list Monday with a right foot injury, according to the AP.

November 15, 2004
He was on the IL with a right ankle injury and hasn't played a game since undergoing left foot surgery on March 9, 2004.

November 8, 2004
It appears that Jamal Sampson should be activated soon after becoming eligible this week, according to the Charlotte Observer. He's on the injured list for at least the first five games of the season with a right ankle injury.

November 1, 2004
The Bobcats placed Jamal Sampson on the injured list Monday with a right ankle injury, according to the AP.

April 20, 2004
Jamal Sampson hopes that a month or two of rest will be enough to heal the torn tendon in his right foot, according to the LA Times.

February 12, 2004
The Lakers placed Jamal Sampson on the injured list Wednesday with a sprained ankle, according to the AP.

Then how is this for an OK background?

I'm fascinated from people like you relying on hearsays. Back up your claim with facts and not on he said she saids.

Danny Seigle anyone? >_<

FlaByNyt
11-25-2009, 05:38 AM
From what i know in watching NBA games here in Miami, a certain team can only activate a certain number of players in a game. Pat Riley when he was coach, like other coaches like to place these inactive players in the injury list and make up injuries to inactive players because of the rule. Like in hockey, they are "healthy scratches" in the lineup. But thats hockey...I might be wrong or what but the bottom line is not all injuries are 100% accurate.;)

noilsen
11-25-2009, 06:21 AM
From what i know in watching NBA games here in Miami, a certain team can only activate a certain number of players in a game. Pat Riley when he was coach, like other coaches like to place these inactive players in the injury list and make up injuries to inactive players because of the rule. Like in hockey, they are "healthy scratches" in the lineup. But thats hockey...I might be wrong or what but the bottom line is not all injuries are 100% accurate.;)

Yeah thats what i thought also..

nardy
11-25-2009, 09:22 AM
let's just wait for the next few weeks, the SBP is on top of the situation and would now be more cautious and they'll make all the necessary screening. After Taft and Giles, they learned their lesson. Let's face it, its really difficult the right player to Naturalized. The bad image we are getting from the international media is not helping our cause, some of the players I was talking previously had a change of heart aside from being scared of Malls getting bombed or robbed midday, they are alarmed with the kidnappings and killings happening all over with Victims that includes Priests, Peace Corps Volunteer, Red Cross Personnel, Media People among others the perception is that its not safe over here as people who are not harmed in other parts of the world are not spared here.

jesronne
11-25-2009, 12:03 PM
December 29, 2004
The Bobcats placed Jamal Sampson on the injured list Wednesday with a left ankle sprain, according to the AP

November 30, 2004
The Bobcats placed Jamal Sampson on the injured list Monday with a right foot injury, according to the AP.

November 15, 2004
He was on the IL with a right ankle injury and hasn't played a game since undergoing left foot surgery on March 9, 2004.

November 8, 2004
It appears that Jamal Sampson should be activated soon after becoming eligible this week, according to the Charlotte Observer. He's on the injured list for at least the first five games of the season with a right ankle injury.

November 1, 2004
The Bobcats placed Jamal Sampson on the injured list Monday with a right ankle injury, according to the AP.

April 20, 2004
Jamal Sampson hopes that a month or two of rest will be enough to heal the torn tendon in his right foot, according to the LA Times.

February 12, 2004
The Lakers placed Jamal Sampson on the injured list Wednesday with a sprained ankle, according to the AP.

Then how is this for an OK background?

I'm fascinated from people like you relying on hearsays. Back up your claim with facts and not on he said she saids.

Danny Seigle anyone? >_<

this happens in 2004... maybe someone could get us more information about the injuries sampson have beyond 2004...

patay-butiki
11-25-2009, 01:16 PM
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Another American option
Sports
Written by Joel Orellana / Reporter
WEDNESDAY, 25 NOVEMBER 2009 19:12
Time is ticking down and the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) will be hoping its newest candidate for naturalization would fit into the system right away.

Jamal Sampson, brought in to replace CJ Giles, makes his debut with national developmental team Smart Gilas on Friday in a tune-up game against San Miguel Beer at the Ynares Center in Antipolo City.

Sampson, cousin of former National Basketball Association (NBA) veteran Ralph, is already in town and is giving Eala and the rest of the Smart Gilas coaching staff reason to be optimistic as they search for candidates to become a naturalized Filipino in time for qualifying tournaments for the 2012 London Olympics.

“He’s stronger, a better defensive player and rebounder that this team really needs,” said SBP executive director Noli Eala of the 26-year-old American, who was a second-round pick in the 2002 NBA draft. He played for Milwaukee, Los Angeles, Charlotte, Denver and Sacramento.

“Jamal has a better work ethic and attitude and he’s more experienced and mature,” Eala added.

Eala told the BusinessMirror on Wednesday that the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) has allowed them to field the six-foot-11 Sampson. Smart Gilas started the Philippine Cup, the PBA’s All-Filipino Conference, as a guest squad with matches having an effect on the team standings. But the matches were later downgraded to nonbearing exhibition games.

“Commissioner [Sonny] Barrios has allowed us to change our lineup anytime,” said Eala after the federation decided to send home CJ Giles for failing to meet the standards of SBP project director and Gilas mentor Rajko Toroman.

Giles was the SBP’s original choice to help the country in its ultimate goal of returning to the Olympics in 2012 in London.

But the 24-year-old Giles had been showing attitude problems in his last few days with team and has become a “negative influence” to his teammates.

One good thing going for the SBP is that even without Giles, Smart Gilas has been impressive with a 2-1 mark in its last three games against PBA teams. The squad lost its first three matches.

Toroman’s team booked its first win against Coca-Cola, 98-93, then dropped a heart-breaking 95-96 loss to Sta. Lucia Realty. The developmental team beat Rain or Shine, 96-89, in its last assignment.

On Friday, Sampson will get his first taste of the PBA brand of competition, which, according to Eala, is part of his evaluation process to determine how he plays alongside Japeth Aguilar, JV Casio, Chris Tiu, Greg Slaughter, Mark Barroca and Dylan Ababou.

Besides Sampson, the SBP is also eyeing former Red Bull import and ex-Miami Heat center Earl Barron and Illinois standout Shaun Pruitt as possible candidates for naturalization.

Eala said the SBP is keen on naturalizing two foreign players. The International Basketball Federation allows two naturalized players on each team, but they cannot be fielded at the same time on the court.

is this right? two naturalized players allowed in the same roster? :confused:

b3lowzro
11-25-2009, 01:36 PM
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is this right? two naturalized players allowed in the same roster? :confused:

no, i havent heard such rule. maybe the author based it on the rules of the uaap and the ncaa

grahamtelly
11-25-2009, 08:28 PM
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is this right? two naturalized players allowed in the same roster? :confused:


no, i havent heard such rule. maybe the author based it on the rules of the uaap and the ncaa



i guess it is true cause Lebanon is also planning to naturalize CJ Giles with Jackson Vroman.

daniab
11-25-2009, 08:39 PM
i guess it is true cause Lebanon is also planning to naturalize CJ Giles with Jackson Vroman.

OH my God!
People please stop talking that Lebanon will naturalize CJ Giles cz its not true and at least not considered till now!
We have never been planning to naturalize him!

grahamtelly
11-25-2009, 10:07 PM
OH my God!
People please stop talking that Lebanon will naturalize CJ Giles cz its not true and at least not considered till now!
We have never been planning to naturalize him!

im just quoting some of the articles i read. and if theres a smoke we all know that theres a fire :D

daniab
11-25-2009, 10:13 PM
im just quoting some of the articles i read. and if theres a smoke we all know that theres a fire :D

really?
so according to your press,Fadi el khatib is still with Riyadi :D


the story as it is and for the last time:

Fouad Abou Chakra,Riyadi's coach,was impressed by CJ Giles level during the Asian champions cup last year and he even had a talk with him to play for the team,got it now?

grahamtelly
11-25-2009, 10:18 PM
really?
so according to your press,Fadi el khatib is still with Riyadi :D


the story as it is and for the last time:

Fouad Abou Chakra,Riyadi's coach,was impressed by CJ Giles level during the Asian champions cup last year and he even had a talk with him to play for the team,got it now?

so does this mean CJ Giles is not joining Riyadi? thanks for clearing things up. we rarely get info's regarding you league.

daniab
11-25-2009, 10:19 PM
so does this mean CJ Giles is not joining Riyadi? thanks for clearing things up. we rarely get info's regarding you league.

CJ Giles is already practicing with Riyadi but oups he has a serious injury,nobody knows how much it takes to heal!

grahamtelly
11-25-2009, 10:25 PM
CJ Giles is already practicing with Riyadi but oups he has a serious injury,nobody knows how much it takes to heal!

and he also has a major brain damage... they also should give him a drug test. thanks for the info daniab.

nardy
11-25-2009, 11:52 PM
i guess it is true cause Lebanon is also planning to naturalize CJ Giles with Jackson Vroman.

It's probably the writer is not that knowledgeable about FIBA rules, as stated in other posts there are a number of media people who does not do a good job on researching about facts and details.

under current FIBA rules each National Team is allowed only one Naturalized Player per FIBA tournament that's for National Teams only. But there is no restriction on the number of Naturalized Players who are on reserve. Japan has a big number of Naturalized Players but unfortunately the JABBA has a problem as said players had refused to join National Team practices or tryouts. Russia, France, New Zealand and Australia also rotates their Naturalized Players. Then there is the USA which has the largest pool of Naturalized Players, there was a time the Americans does not had that much talent in the Center position even at the NBA and they had to tap either Jamaica-born Patrick Ewing or Nigerian Akeem Olajuwon as part of the so-called Dream Teams.

Then in tournaments that includes Commercial Ball Clubs, it depends on the tournament rules set by the organizers. There is just this practice by certain countries that they make their National Teams participate in International tournaments among commercial basketball teams as such thus taking advantage of lax rules that allows the use of more than 1 Naturalized Player or even more than 1 Foreign Import.

nardy
11-26-2009, 12:07 AM
CJ Giles is already practicing with Riyadi but oups he has a serious injury,nobody knows how much it takes to heal!

Hi Dani! Am curious about how long Riyadi's patience would be with CJ. It's well documented that after High School, for various reasons he has not finished any contract or scholarship as his stints were always cut short and was given his walking papers.

I do not know if its ok over there for an injured player to be having daily late night parties instead of resting. Hehehe

just keep me posted Thanks. Good Luck to Riyadi.

nardy
11-26-2009, 12:17 AM
really?
so according to your press,Fadi el khatib is still with Riyadi :D


the story as it is and for the last time:

Fouad Abou Chakra,Riyadi's coach,was impressed by CJ Giles level during the Asian champions cup last year and he even had a talk with him to play for the team,got it now?

Chakra has an eye for talent, CJ has great potential with his talent and athletism but it is his non-basketball side which is questionable.

So its just rumors that Fadi had switched teams. I think it was Champsville that was mentioned if i am not mistaken.

nardy
11-26-2009, 12:37 AM
OH my God!
People please stop talking that Lebanon will naturalize CJ Giles cz its not true and at least not considered till now!
We have never been planning to naturalize him!

Dani my friend, there was no harm intended by the posters. the talks just came about because of a certain newspaper article wherein I think it was just speculating that CJ could be naturalized and team-up with Vroman. There are just some writers that are not updated with FIBA rules and writes without researching actual facts. That's just the media practice world over as they had to make a story then beat a deadline, but still in my opinion they have to be more responsible.

k3v1nski
11-26-2009, 02:01 AM
and if there is fire......
somebody is cooking something!
:D

manu_bol
11-26-2009, 02:23 AM
and if there is fire......
somebody is cooking something!
:D

and if somebody is cooking something...
someone is hungry :D

nardy
11-26-2009, 02:54 AM
and if somebody is cooking something...
someone is hungry :D

you guys made me hungry .... i better now eat hehehe

ramzaruglia
11-26-2009, 03:09 AM
And you guys are making me hungry as well. I'm trying to look for free agents in the NBA that might be a potential candidate for naturalization, sad to say, they're all.... like, a HUGE list!!!! Curses!:D

So I didn't bother to read... God I need to sleep.. I'd been playing for 14 hours straight. Hope Sampson get nat... soon ^_^

rensquared
11-26-2009, 03:57 AM
And you guys are making me hungry as well. I'm trying to look for free agents in the NBA that might be a potential candidate for naturalization, sad to say, they're all.... like, a HUGE list!!!! Curses!:D

So I didn't bother to read... God I need to sleep.. I'd been playing for 14 hours straight. Hope Sampson get nat... soon ^_^

Playing what? Men I'm hungry. I wonder if Earl Barron would be the next candidate for naturalization. I read somewhere in this thread that SB will naturalize two guys.

sergio23
11-26-2009, 05:10 AM
And you guys are making me hungry as well. I'm trying to look for free agents in the NBA that might be a potential candidate for naturalization, sad to say, they're all.... like, a HUGE list!!!! Curses!:D

So I didn't bother to read... God I need to sleep.. I'd been playing for 14 hours straight. Hope Sampson get nat... soon ^_^

playing OL game? eheheh

Big Ticket
11-26-2009, 09:33 AM
From what i know in watching NBA games here in Miami, a certain team can only activate a certain number of players in a game. Pat Riley when he was coach, like other coaches like to place these inactive players in the injury list and make up injuries to inactive players because of the rule. Like in hockey, they are "healthy scratches" in the lineup. But thats hockey...I might be wrong or what but the bottom line is not all injuries are 100% accurate.;)

yes, you are correct..this is the same reason why the NBA abolished the injured list several seasons ago as NBA teams are faking player injuries just to put them in the injured list....i remember wesley person who rejected the team's strategy to put him in the injured list as he said that he was not injured so he shouldn't be put there...

if you also look at sampson's reason to be put in the injury list, it's mostly ankle sprains and not those injuries which take time to heal so that the NBA team can easily activate him...

FlaByNyt
11-26-2009, 03:50 PM
Ah , so i was right then. Thanks for supporting my opinion. I remember that Wesley Person incident but just don't know what team he played for then. Some injuries can be so absurd at that time like turf toe, rib pain, abdominal strain, eye irritation, etc...almost anything you can think of!:D They sometimes post footages of Miami Heat practices on the news with let say Wang ZhiZhi banging bodies at that time and low and behold he's on the injury list that same day!:D But that was how everybody did it then..:p

ramzaruglia
11-27-2009, 04:28 AM
Playing what? Men I'm hungry. I wonder if Earl Barron would be the next candidate for naturalization. I read somewhere in this thread that SB will naturalize two guys.

Playing Trickster and Wonderland Online at the same time :D, with matching Castle Age, and Katsuro on my IB. Also watching anime at the same time.. I'm so occupied... :D

rensquared
11-27-2009, 05:35 AM
Playing Trickster and Wonderland Online at the same time :D, with matching Castle Age, and Katsuro on my IB. Also watching anime at the same time.. I'm so occupied... :D


Whoa! Multi tasker eh

neo
11-28-2009, 04:10 PM
Is Sampson the real thing?
By Joaquin Henson (The Philippine Star) Updated November 29, 2009 12:00 AM


Jamal Sampson shows off his dunking prowess.
MANILA, Philippines - NBA veteran Jamal Sampson said yesterday he’s in the final stages of negotiating a contract with Smart-Gilas but until his signature appears on the dotted line, there’s no certainty that the 6-11 center will suit up as a naturalization candidate for coach Rajko Toroman’s national squad.

Sampson is optimistic the details will be ironed out sooner than later.

Last Friday, he sat behind the Gilas bench as the so-called “team of the future” upset San Miguel Beer, 109-96, in the no-bearing opener of a PBA Philippine Cup triplebill at the Ynares Center in Antipolo.

“Jamal is a great addition,” said SBP executive director Noli Eala. “Now, we’re seeing the real game of Gilas. No more distractions, no more issues, no more excuses. You should see Jamal at practice. Hope we can sign him up soon.”

Since a 0-3 start in the PBA, Gilas has won three of its last four and the only loss was a one-point heartbreaker to Sta. Lucia Realty. Toroman said it’s not because the PBA teams are easing up in the no-bearing games.

“I think they’re out to win just as we are,” said Toroman. “I don’t know if they’ll admit it. But Sta. Lucia didn’t want to lose and got a little help from somewhere to beat us by a point.”

Toroman said there’s still a lot of work to do “but the most important thing is the players respect our system.” He described Sampson as a legitimate position-five player and “we need a good rebounder.”

After C. J. Giles was cut for dysfunctional behavior on and off the court two weeks ago, Eala recruited Sampson as a replacement. Sampson arrived in Manila last Nov. 20 and has practiced with Gilas but not played against other teams in scrimmages.

Sampson, 26, was in Fujian province, ready to sign to play in the Chinese league when NBA agent Chris Emens of Octagon Sports broached the possibility of moving to the Philippines. Octagon is a management agency based in Virginia and represents NBA cagers Chris Paul, Kirk Hinrich, David West, Rudy Gay and Wes Matthews, Jr. among others.

“I was in China five or six days when I got a call,” said Sampson, a first cousin of former NBA star Ralph Sampson. “I’d heard about the Philippines from guys like Chris Porter and Adam Parada. I’ve only heard good things about the Philippines so I came over.”

Sampson arrived here with former NBA star Josh Childress’ brother Chris who played at Colorado State University-Pueblo and the NBA D-League alongside former Ginebra import Chris Alexander. Childress, a 6-6 swingman, said he’ll hang out with Sampson in Manila and explore options in the PBA Fiesta Conference.

Eala said there were other candidates in a long list, including former PBA import Earl Barron, Shaun Pruitt and Hiram Fuller, but he chose Sampson because of Emens’ recommendation.

“We’ve developed a good relationship with Emens who also represents Giles,” said Eala. “Emens didn’t hold us to our guaranteed contract with Giles because of what happened. He understood our position and why we let Giles go. We think Jamal is right for our team. He’s a mature player, decent, the quiet type with no baggage. He’s single, he has no children, he works hard. The night he flew in, we brought him to Araneta to watch a PBA game and the next morning, he worked out one-on-one with coach Rajko.”

Eala said Sampson is close to signing a deal.

“We’re still working on some points in his contract,” said Eala. “I’ve watched him at practice and he’s good. Coach Rajko thinks he’s the one we need because he’s a pure center.”

In the gym, Sampson has followed Toroman’s instructions to the letter. Eala said Toroman is more than impressed. “He’s done everything he’s been asked to do,” added Eala. “No one gets a layup when he’s defending the basket. Once, he took off from the foul line to dunk. He’s unbelievable. He does so many things on the floor, both offensively and defensively. (Former PBA coaching consultant and Toronto Raptors director of player personnel) Jim Kelly thinks he’s what we need to go to the next level. If he wants to play, there’s nothing he can’t do. The thing is to motivate him.”

Sampson said he’s excited to play as a naturalized import.

“I know a lot of my teammates are just fresh out of college but I’m learning from them as much as I hope they’re learning from me,” he said. “There are lots of Americans playing for different countries all over the world. It’s not a new thing. I like it in the Philippines. I’m getting used to the humidity. I don’t think I’ve sweated as much playing in all my life. I’m still working myself to shape but I’m getting there.”

Sampson said he realizes in Gilas, there won’t be a naturalized backup and he’ll be all alone in the middle.

“Yeah, I know that,” he said. “I like the pressure. I’m used to it.”

In three years playing for Mater Dei high school in Santa Ana, California, Sampson battled the likes of Tyson Chandler, Channing Frye, DeSagana Diop, Kwame Brown and Jason Kapono and acquitted himself. In 2000-01, Sampson led Mater Dei to a 33-2 record and the California state title.

Mater Dei has produced the likes of Reggie Geary, LeRon Ellis, Miles Simon and Cedric Bozeman who all went on to play in the NBA. Another graduate is former PBA star Vince Hizon.

ramzaruglia
11-28-2009, 04:21 PM
Is Sampson the real thing?
By Joaquin Henson (The Philippine Star) Updated November 29, 2009 12:00 AM


Jamal Sampson shows off his dunking prowess.
MANILA, Philippines - NBA veteran Jamal Sampson said yesterday he’s in the final stages of negotiating a contract with Smart-Gilas but until his signature appears on the dotted line, there’s no certainty that the 6-11 center will suit up as a naturalization candidate for coach Rajko Toroman’s national squad.

Sampson is optimistic the details will be ironed out sooner than later.

Last Friday, he sat behind the Gilas bench as the so-called “team of the future” upset San Miguel Beer, 109-96, in the no-bearing opener of a PBA Philippine Cup triplebill at the Ynares Center in Antipolo.

“Jamal is a great addition,” said SBP executive director Noli Eala. “Now, we’re seeing the real game of Gilas. No more distractions, no more issues, no more excuses. You should see Jamal at practice. Hope we can sign him up soon.”

Since a 0-3 start in the PBA, Gilas has won three of its last four and the only loss was a one-point heartbreaker to Sta. Lucia Realty. Toroman said it’s not because the PBA teams are easing up in the no-bearing games.

“I think they’re out to win just as we are,” said Toroman. “I don’t know if they’ll admit it. But Sta. Lucia didn’t want to lose and got a little help from somewhere to beat us by a point.”

Toroman said there’s still a lot of work to do “but the most important thing is the players respect our system.” He described Sampson as a legitimate position-five player and “we need a good rebounder.”

After C. J. Giles was cut for dysfunctional behavior on and off the court two weeks ago, Eala recruited Sampson as a replacement. Sampson arrived in Manila last Nov. 20 and has practiced with Gilas but not played against other teams in scrimmages.

Sampson, 26, was in Fujian province, ready to sign to play in the Chinese league when NBA agent Chris Emens of Octagon Sports broached the possibility of moving to the Philippines. Octagon is a management agency based in Virginia and represents NBA cagers Chris Paul, Kirk Hinrich, David West, Rudy Gay and Wes Matthews, Jr. among others.

“I was in China five or six days when I got a call,” said Sampson, a first cousin of former NBA star Ralph Sampson. “I’d heard about the Philippines from guys like Chris Porter and Adam Parada. I’ve only heard good things about the Philippines so I came over.”

Sampson arrived here with former NBA star Josh Childress’ brother Chris who played at Colorado State University-Pueblo and the NBA D-League alongside former Ginebra import Chris Alexander. Childress, a 6-6 swingman, said he’ll hang out with Sampson in Manila and explore options in the PBA Fiesta Conference.

Eala said there were other candidates in a long list, including former PBA import Earl Barron, Shaun Pruitt and Hiram Fuller, but he chose Sampson because of Emens’ recommendation.

“We’ve developed a good relationship with Emens who also represents Giles,” said Eala. “Emens didn’t hold us to our guaranteed contract with Giles because of what happened. He understood our position and why we let Giles go. We think Jamal is right for our team. He’s a mature player, decent, the quiet type with no baggage. He’s single, he has no children, he works hard. The night he flew in, we brought him to Araneta to watch a PBA game and the next morning, he worked out one-on-one with coach Rajko.”

Eala said Sampson is close to signing a deal.

“We’re still working on some points in his contract,” said Eala. “I’ve watched him at practice and he’s good. Coach Rajko thinks he’s the one we need because he’s a pure center.”

In the gym, Sampson has followed Toroman’s instructions to the letter. Eala said Toroman is more than impressed. “He’s done everything he’s been asked to do,” added Eala. “No one gets a layup when he’s defending the basket. Once, he took off from the foul line to dunk. He’s unbelievable. He does so many things on the floor, both offensively and defensively. (Former PBA coaching consultant and Toronto Raptors director of player personnel) Jim Kelly thinks he’s what we need to go to the next level. If he wants to play, there’s nothing he can’t do. The thing is to motivate him.”

Sampson said he’s excited to play as a naturalized import.

“I know a lot of my teammates are just fresh out of college but I’m learning from them as much as I hope they’re learning from me,” he said. “There are lots of Americans playing for different countries all over the world. It’s not a new thing. I like it in the Philippines. I’m getting used to the humidity. I don’t think I’ve sweated as much playing in all my life. I’m still working myself to shape but I’m getting there.”

Sampson said he realizes in Gilas, there won’t be a naturalized backup and he’ll be all alone in the middle.

“Yeah, I know that,” he said. “I like the pressure. I’m used to it.”

In three years playing for Mater Dei high school in Santa Ana, California, Sampson battled the likes of Tyson Chandler, Channing Frye, DeSagana Diop, Kwame Brown and Jason Kapono and acquitted himself. In 2000-01, Sampson led Mater Dei to a 33-2 record and the California state title.

Mater Dei has produced the likes of Reggie Geary, LeRon Ellis, Miles Simon and Cedric Bozeman who all went on to play in the NBA. Another graduate is former PBA star Vince Hizon.

I only have one sentence to describe this guy.

"Purely professional.":D

b3lowzro
11-28-2009, 05:03 PM
Is Sampson the real thing?
By Joaquin Henson (The Philippine Star) Updated November 29, 2009 12:00 AM

In three years playing for Mater Dei high school in Santa Ana, California, Sampson battled the likes of Tyson Chandler, Channing Frye, DeSagana Diop, Kwame Brown and Jason Kapono and acquitted himself. In 2000-01, Sampson led Mater Dei to a 33-2 record and the California state title.

Mater Dei has produced the likes of Reggie Geary, LeRon Ellis, Miles Simon and Cedric Bozeman who all went on to play in the NBA. Another graduate is former PBA star Vince Hizon.

If jason kapono played against Sampson, maybe Ryan Reyes also played against him. We could ask Ryan some info on this guy since he was a teammate of kapono right?

manu_bol
11-28-2009, 05:19 PM
If jason kapono played against Sampson, maybe Ryan Reyes also played against him. We could ask Ryan some info on this guy since he was a teammate of kapono right?

yup, they did play against each other:


Mater Dei Gets Past Artesia
Boys' basketball: Monarchs earn their fifth trip to state final with 68-55 overtime victory over Pioneers.
March 14, 1999|MICHAEL ITAGAKI, SPECIAL TO THE TIMES

What the Southern California Division I boys' basketball regional final lacked in artistry it made up for with grit and determination Saturday at San Diego State's Cox Arena.

After Santa Ana Mater Dei made only one fourth-quarter field goal, it finally outlasted Lakewood Artesia in overtime, 68-55, in front of an announced session crowd of 6,145 to earn its fifth trip to the state finals.

Mater Dei will play Oakland Fremont, a 55-50 winner Saturday night over Concord De La Salle, next Saturday at Arco Arena in Sacramento.

Steve Scoggin scored 18 points to lead Mater Dei (34-3), which scored 15 consecutive points in the overtime before Artesia's Jon Steffanson scored a concession basket with 1.8 seconds remaining.

The game also ended with Artesia's Jason Kapono, a McDonald's All-American, reduced to cheerleading on the Pioneers' bench.

Hampered by a left ankle injury he sustained Thursday in a regional semifinal victory over Glendora, Kapono made only one of 10 shots and finished with four points and four rebounds for Artesia (32-3).

Kapono, who averaged 24 points going into the game, missed four of the first five shots he took and lacked his normal explosiveness and quickness.

Although the Monarchs knew Kapono was hurt and might not play, it didn't affect their approach.

"Either way we were going right at them," Scoggin said. "Typical Mater Dei."

Mater Dei built its lead to 10 in the third quarter before Artesia rallied with Kapono on the bench.

Using its full-court press, the Pioneers pulled ahead, 48-47, after Jack Martinez, who had 21 points and six blocked shots, made one of two free throws with 4 minutes 28 seconds remaining.

Ryan Reyes (seven points) and Steffanson (nine points) also helped the Pioneers rally.

But Mater Dei answered with a alley-oop dunk by Jamal Sampson, and a pair of free throws by Mike Bayer pushed the lead to 51-48 with 2:42 remaining.

Artesia made one last push and pulled to within two, 53-51, after Martinez made one of two free throws.

Then after Bayer stepped over the inbounds line to turn it over to Artesia, Martinez scored from the post with 5.3 seconds remaining to tie it, 53-53, and send the game into overtime.

But that was it for Artesia. Scoggin hit a leaning jumper and was fouled to open the overtime, and his three-point play gave the Monarchs a 56-53 lead 17 seconds into the extra period.

grahamtelly
11-28-2009, 05:31 PM
Is true Jason Kapono is a fil-am?

ma4ma
11-28-2009, 10:34 PM
Is Sampson the real thing?

MANILA, Philippines - NBA veteran Jamal Sampson said yesterday he’s in the final stages of negotiating a contract with Smart-Gilas but until his signature appears on the dotted line, there’s no certainty that the 6-11 center will suit up as a naturalization candidate for coach Rajko Toroman’s national squad.

Sampson is optimistic the details will be ironed out sooner than later.

Last Friday, he sat behind the Gilas bench as the so-called “team of the future” upset San Miguel Beer, 109-96, in the no-bearing opener of a PBA Philippine Cup triplebill at the Ynares Center in Antipolo.

“Jamal is a great addition,” said SBP executive director Noli Eala. “Now, we’re seeing the real game of Gilas. No more distractions, no more issues, no more excuses. You should see Jamal at practice. Hope we can sign him up soon.”

Since a 0-3 start in the PBA, Gilas has won three of its last four and the only loss was a one-point heartbreaker to Sta. Lucia Realty. Toroman said it’s not because the PBA teams are easing up in the no-bearing games.

“I think they’re out to win just as we are,” said Toroman. “I don’t know if they’ll admit it. But Sta. Lucia didn’t want to lose and got a little help from somewhere to beat us by a point.”

Toroman said there’s still a lot of work to do “but the most important thing is the players respect our system.” He described Sampson as a legitimate position-five player and “we need a good rebounder.”

After C. J. Giles was cut for dysfunctional behavior on and off the court two weeks ago, Eala recruited Sampson as a replacement. Sampson arrived in Manila last Nov. 20 and has practiced with Gilas but not played against other teams in scrimmages.

Sampson, 26, was in Fujian province, ready to sign to play in the Chinese league when NBA agent Chris Emens of Octagon Sports broached the possibility of moving to the Philippines. Octagon is a management agency based in Virginia and represents NBA cagers Chris Paul, Kirk Hinrich, David West, Rudy Gay and Wes Matthews, Jr. among others.

“I was in China five or six days when I got a call,” said Sampson, a first cousin of former NBA star Ralph Sampson. “I’d heard about the Philippines from guys like Chris Porter and Adam Parada. I’ve only heard good things about the Philippines so I came over.”

Sampson arrived here with former NBA star Josh Childress’ brother Chris who played at Colorado State University-Pueblo and the NBA D-League alongside former Ginebra import Chris Alexander. Childress, a 6-6 swingman, said he’ll hang out with Sampson in Manila and explore options in the PBA Fiesta Conference.

Eala said there were other candidates in a long list, including former PBA import Earl Barron, Shaun Pruitt and Hiram Fuller, but he chose Sampson because of Emens’ recommendation.

“We’ve developed a good relationship with Emens who also represents Giles,” said Eala. “Emens didn’t hold us to our guaranteed contract with Giles because of what happened. He understood our position and why we let Giles go. We think Jamal is right for our team. He’s a mature player, decent, the quiet type with no baggage. He’s single, he has no children, he works hard. The night he flew in, we brought him to Araneta to watch a PBA game and the next morning, he worked out one-on-one with coach Rajko.”

Eala said Sampson is close to signing a deal.

“We’re still working on some points in his contract,” said Eala. “I’ve watched him at practice and he’s good. Coach Rajko thinks he’s the one we need because he’s a pure center.”

In the gym, Sampson has followed Toroman’s instructions to the letter. Eala said Toroman is more than impressed. “He’s done everything he’s been asked to do,” added Eala. “No one gets a layup when he’s defending the basket. Once, he took off from the foul line to dunk. He’s unbelievable. He does so many things on the floor, both offensively and defensively. (Former PBA coaching consultant and Toronto Raptors director of player personnel) Jim Kelly thinks he’s what we need to go to the next level. If he wants to play, there’s nothing he can’t do. The thing is to motivate him.”

Sampson said he’s excited to play as a naturalized import.

“I know a lot of my teammates are just fresh out of college but I’m learning from them as much as I hope they’re learning from me,” he said. “There are lots of Americans playing for different countries all over the world. It’s not a new thing. I like it in the Philippines. I’m getting used to the humidity. I don’t think I’ve sweated as much playing in all my life. I’m still working myself to shape but I’m getting there.”

Sampson said he realizes in Gilas, there won’t be a naturalized backup and he’ll be all alone in the middle.

“Yeah, I know that,” he said. “I like the pressure. I’m used to it.”

In three years playing for Mater Dei high school in Santa Ana, California, Sampson battled the likes of Tyson Chandler, Channing Frye, DeSagana Diop, Kwame Brown and Jason Kapono and acquitted himself. In 2000-01, Sampson led Mater Dei to a 33-2 record and the California state title.

Mater Dei has produced the likes of Reggie Geary, LeRon Ellis, Miles Simon and Cedric Bozeman who all went on to play in the NBA. Another graduate is former PBA star Vince Hizon.

weward
11-29-2009, 05:58 AM
Is true Jason Kapono is a fil-am?

pls someone confirm if this is true...

nardy
11-29-2009, 08:03 AM
pls someone confirm if this is true...

http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/ucla-m-baskbl-sched.html


Jason Kapono: Yeah, I know how to cook. However, I really don't have a special thing that I like to cook. I just like cooking everything. And no I'm not Italian. I have no Italian in me. I have some Hawaiian and Portuguese, but no Italian."

paolylo
11-29-2009, 02:25 PM
please, not another Fil-Am wishlist. it sounds as pathetic as asking if some NBA superstar had a child with a Filipina. :D

b3lowzro
11-30-2009, 05:53 AM
please, not another Fil-Am wishlist. it sounds as pathetic as asking if some NBA superstar had a child with a Filipina. :D

its like the chad hugo and pharell williams fil am chismis, well chad is fil am but sometimes people get confused on pharell cause he quite close with chad. maybe we can compare this to the kapono fil am chismis

c_d
11-30-2009, 04:10 PM
What's holding up Jamal deal? (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=528388&publicationSubCategoryId=69)
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin Henson
(The Philippine Star) Updated December 01, 2009 12:00 AM

Jamal Sampson could’ve played for Smart-Gilas in a game against San Miguel Beer at the Ynares Center in Antipolo last Friday but instead, sat behind the national team’s bench with traveling companion Chris Childress.

Sampson, 26, took the trouble of motoring all the way to Antipolo only to watch the contest in civvies. Until his contract is signed, SBP executive director Noli Eala said the 6-11 Sampson won’t play in any Gilas game but will continue to practice with the squad.

So what’s keeping Sampson from inking his John Hancock on the dotted line?

Obviously, Sampson is freezing the ball to negotiate for better terms. He admitted as much in a conversation outside the Gilas dug-out before the Antipolo game.

“It’s not the team’s fault, it’s mine,” said Sampson when asked to explain the snag.

But Sampson assured – sort of – that the deal would be signed, sealed and delivered in a few days. That’s because he said he likes it in the Philippines even if the humidity is torture on the court. Sampson doesn’t mind playing with “kids” just fresh out of college, relishes the pressure of putting the team on his back and can’t wait to get going.

Gilas coach Rajko Toroman isn’t hiding his excitement over Sampson’s arrival. He’s been looking for someone who plays like or better than Hamed Haddadi to anchor the Philippine team in the same way the 7-2 center powered Iran to the FIBA-Asia crown in Tokushima two years ago with the Serbian at the helm. C. J. Giles was Gilas’ original “import” but bombed out because of dysfunctional behavior.

Sampson, who has played for five teams in five NBA seasons, is the next naturalization candidate and Toroman hopes to get him on board as soon as possible.

Eala said Giles was given so many chances to reform but just couldn’t shake off a chronic attitude problem. The final straw was when he invited his youthful teammates to his apartment for a drinking session that lasted until the wee hours. Eala pulled the plug before Giles made things worse for the team with his negative influence.

Besides, Eala wanted to make a strong statement that any player the SBP would recommend to Congress for naturalization had to be “spick and span.” That player couldn’t be Giles who was kicked out of two NCAA Division I schools because of behavioral problems.

Eala said Sampson isn’t like Giles at all. He described him as mature, decent and someone who likes to live a quite life.

Sampson comes from a basketball family. His father Bernard played at San Jose State and his mother Ruth Smith was an import in several European leagues. In fact, Sampson was born in Spain where his mother once played. His first cousin is 7-4 Ralph Sampson who played nine seasons in the NBA.

Sampson isn’t married and has no children.

“I’d like my family to come over and visit,” said Sampson who has a sister Naliah. “If I’m here for a while, it’ll be nice for my family to come. It’s tough living without your family close by.”

Sampson played only a year of college basketball – for the University of California at Berkeley – before turning pro. He was Utah’s second round pick in the 2002 draft and went on to play for Milwaukee, the Los Angeles Lakers, Charlotte, Sacramento and Denver in the NBA. Sampson said he has no regrets leaving school early to pursue a basketball career.

Sampson said playing for the Lakers was his most memorable NBA experience. His L. A. teammates included Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O’Neal, Gary Payton, Karl Malone and Derek Fisher. He wasn’t on the Lakers playoff roster but remained with the team through the Finals where Detroit beat Los Angeles in a five-game series for the title.

Eala said in talking with Sampson, he found out his impressions on several NBA stars. “Jamal told me Kobe likes to be by himself – he’s a bit aloof,” said Eala. “Shaq’s a clown and Carmelo Anthony’s a real nice guy. Jamal has been around all these stars. What we like about Jamal is he comes with no baggage. We hope he’s the real thing. He’s what Gilas needs because he’s a legitimate center.”

Sampson was surprised to learn that former California varsity star Sean Lampley played in the PBA.

“Sean finished playing the year before I joined the team,” said Sampson. “But he would still come over to be with us during my freshman season.” Lampley suited up for Red Bull in 2002 and Barangay Ginebra in 2005-06.

nardy
12-01-2009, 03:59 PM
http://firequinito.com/archives/235-The-character-assassination-of-CJ-Giles-by-the-lackey-Rick-Olivares.html

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:SYEliUbKXy507M:http://basketball.exchange.ph/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/20090511_fq_01.jpg
The (character) assassination of CJ Giles by the lackey Rick Olivares (http://firequinito.com/archives/235-The-character-assassination-of-CJ-Giles-by-the-lackey-Rick-Olivares.html)

During one of my first email exchanges with Manila Vanilla’s Rafe Bartholomew (http://katipunani.blogspot.com/), when this blog was new, he cited as his favorite Quinito Henson moment a series of columns last year on ex-Sta Lucia import Lee Benson.

An ex-convict, Benson was part of an “inspiring” feature by Quinito titled “Against all odds” (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=71587). Benson’s recovery, Quinito wrote: “If there’s anyone who knows what defying the odds is all about, it’s Benson.” Quinito then proceeded to detail how Benson managed to carve out a career as a professional basketball player despite serving 8 1/2 years in prison.

Less than two weeks later, Quinito had changed his tune. He called Benson the “worst headcase” ever among PBA imports (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=74085), while transcribing the complaints of Benson’s erstwhile agent, Mike Gonzales, against the American.

Of course, because Benson was out of the country, it was open season for Quinito: “Things worsened when Benson had an altercation with a taxi driver whom he had contracted for three days to drive him around town two weeks ago. The scuttlebutt was on the third day, the driver missed Benson who got out of a nightclub very late and took another taxi to his apartment on Pioneer Street. The driver later went to the apartment and asked to be paid but Benson refused. The driver called for the police and Benson even wrestled a nightstick away from one of the responding officers.”

I’m mentioning this because, while the two-week turnaround time was extraordinary (and hilarious), the cycle of building them up and taking them down for imports is not uncommon for local sportswriters. In fact, just before the hiatus of this blog, it happened with Rick Olivares and former Smart Gilas import CJ Giles.

Last May, Olivares put out a puff piece on Giles, dramatically-titled “Soul Train: CJ Giles and the Road to Redemption (http://bleachersbrew.blogspot.com/2009/05/soul-train-cj-giles-and-road-to.html).” Olivares described Giles as a terrific athlete with a fighting heart, and a positive guy who spends a lot of time in prayer.

I took him to task for it, pointing out how he basically ignored Giles’ inglorious record with his college teams (http://firequinito.com/archives/68-Meet-Smart-Gilas-import-CJ-Giles.html); he was suspended and then kicked out of the Kansas Jayhawks squad for various transgressions, before transferring to Oregon State, which was more of the same.

But those things didn’t make it into Olivares’ piece, of course, because it didn’t fit in with his narrative of how awesome the Smart Gilas program was, and how his buddy, SBP executive director Noli Eala, is such a genius for building it up. Olivares went on to write about how the SBP performed a background check on Giles, and found nothing amiss.

A few months later, Giles was reportedly booted out of the team for causing trouble. Funnily enough, it was Quinito who broke the news (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=524130). Of course, as the unofficial spokesperson for the SBP, Olivares had to get his licks in. He wrote of Giles’s problems with Gilas coach Rajko Toroman (http://bleachersbrew.blogspot.com/2009/11/arrested-development.html): “Giles sorely tried Toroman’s patience. His late night escapades, while a little tolerable among some of the team’s management, was inexcusable for the Serb who preached discipline above all. When Giles’ younger brother Malcolm and then former college teammate at Oregon State, Wesley Washington, arrived in Manila, Giles would take them about town and would saunter back to his expensive condo unit in the wee hours of the morning. That affected his focus during practice and in one film viewing session on the eve of Gilas’ game versus Talk ‘n Text, the American fell asleep and Toroman finally blew his top.”

According to Olivares, it got even uglier, with Toroman suspecting that Giles was taking drugs. Olivares detailed Giles’s last days with the team: “Within days of his promising that he would be a changed man, in a drunken stupor, Giles beat up his younger brother that required several stitches. And after a practice where he seemed out of it, the team’s braintrust finally had enough. Giles was sent packing. It didn’t help that Giles didn’t pass the drug test. He nervously tried to stay away from it if not delay submitting urine samples. But once he did, he nervously muttered, ‘I’m going to fail this.’”

Incidentally, Olivares lists Quinito as a sportswriting idol (http://bleachersbrew.blogspot.com/2009/07/with-coach-spo.html). Figures.

(To be continued tomorrow.)


Posted by jaemark (http://firequinito.com/authors/1-jaemark) on December 1, 2009 at 18:05 (http://firequinito.com/archives/235-The-character-assassination-of-CJ-Giles-by-the-lackey-Rick-Olivares.html)