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pohani komarac
11-15-2009, 04:33 PM
Croatia will host 2010. U-20 championship:):):):):)

http://www.kosarka.hr/main.asp?dir=news&newsid=30077

Victorious
11-15-2009, 06:16 PM
Weren't they one of the best European teams in the last U19 WC. EC U20seems like a lock for Croatia. Maybe the Greek youngsters can pull up a fight.

pohani komarac
11-15-2009, 08:17 PM
Weren't they one of the best European teams in the last U19 WC. EC U20seems like a lock for Croatia. Maybe the Greek youngsters can pull up of a fight.

Yes, thats why our federation wannted this championship. It's our most talented generation in recent years. In U-16 they ben 4., U-18 3., and U-19 3.

pohani komarac
04-14-2010, 08:25 PM
Oficial logo of U-20 EC selected. mix of croatia landscape, national and basketball symbols...blue cloud represent northern coratia, rim and net represent istra, ball represent northwestern croatia and cheseboard (like colors on our emblem) colored tie (tie was invented by croatians:)) represent rocky coast of dalmatia:)

http://kosarka.hr/photo/Image.aspx?resize=true&url=http://kosarka.hr/media3/U20-logo(1).jpg&resizeW=280&resizeH=-1&preserveAspect=true&watermark=true&text=photo: B. Petrinović/Kosarka.hr&font=verdana

http://www.kosarka.hr/main.asp?dir=news&newsid=32856

Iggypop
04-14-2010, 10:35 PM
Preliminary Round will be played in Makarska (http://bit.ly/amRuhj) and Crkvenica. Final round and Placement games then in Visnjik Arena.

rikhardur
04-27-2010, 01:19 PM
U20 Polish Group Named For Camp

Poland have announced the 16 players and five reserves that will gather for their first training camp ahead of the U20 European Championship for Men.

The camp will be staged in Ostrow Wielkopolski from June 7-14.

Poland will be in Group A with Slovenia, Lithuania and Ukraine when the U20 European Championship is staged in Vilnius from July 22 to August 1.

Preliminary Squad: Tomasz Maryniewski (Asseco Prkom Gdynia), Marek Szumełda (Korona Kraków), Mariusz Rapucha (Żubry Białystok), Piotr Pamuła, Jarosław Mokros, Krzysztof Sulima (all Polonia 2011 Warszawa) Marcin Dymała (Stal Ostrów Wlkp.), Sebastian Szymański (Turów Zgorzelec), Radosław Bojko (Wilki Morskie Szczecin), Mark Dąbrowski (Douglas Colledge), Hubert Wierzbicki (Sportino Inowrocław), Michał Bańczer (LF Academy Chicago), Jakub Parzeński (WKS Śląsk Wrocław), Aleksander Czyż (Nevada University), Tomasz Nowakowski (Olimpija Ljubljana), Jakub Wojciechowski (Benetton Treviso).

Reserves: Karol Nowacki (Wilki Morskie Szczecin), Alan Czujkowski (Polonia Warszawa), Wojciech Fraś (Korona Kraków), Łukasz Bodych (Spójnia Stargard Szczeciński), Roman Szymański (Polonia 2011 Warszawa).
http://www.fibaeurope.com/coid_DvNbOs08GnIdsPX-ODQwF0.articleMode_on.container_frontpage.html

albiongate
04-27-2010, 02:03 PM
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pohani komarac
04-28-2010, 04:24 PM
lithuania gave wide list to

Vardas, pavardė
Gim. metai
Klubas

Eimantas Bendžius
1990
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Gediminas Bertašius
1990
Marianapolio mok. (JAV)

Gilvydas Biruta
1991
Rutgerso univ. (JAV)

Paulius Dambrauskas
1991
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Adomas Drungilas
1990
Kauno „Žalgiris-Sabonio mokykla“

Edvinas Jezukevičius
1990
Vilniaus „Akademija“

Mantas Kadzevičius
1991
Kauno „Aisčiai“

Evaldas Kairys
1990
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Saulius Kulvietis
1991
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Osvaldas Matulionis
1991
Kauno „Aisčiai“

Donatas Motiejūnas
1990
Trevizo „Benetton“ (ITA)

Deividas Nazarovas
1991
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Gediminas Orelikas
1990
Prienų „Rūdupis“

Augustas Pečiukevičius
1991
Kauno „Aisčiai“

Matas Sapiega
1990
Kauno „Erelita-KTU“

Tautvydas Šležas
1990
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Giedrius Staniulis
1991
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Darius Tarvydas
1991
Vilniaus „KM-Magnus“

Ovidijus Varanauskas
1991
Vilniaus „Sakalai“

Marius Zimnickas
1990
Vilniaus „Perlas“

I guess Moteijunas won't be i Croatia as he said that last year

Straight forward
04-29-2010, 07:57 AM
lithuania gave wide list to

Vardas, pavardė
Gim. metai
Klubas

Eimantas Bendžius
1990
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Gediminas Bertašius
1990
Marianapolio mok. (JAV)

Gilvydas Biruta
1991
Rutgerso univ. (JAV)

Paulius Dambrauskas
1991
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Adomas Drungilas
1990
Kauno „Žalgiris-Sabonio mokykla“

Edvinas Jezukevičius
1990
Vilniaus „Akademija“

Mantas Kadzevičius
1991
Kauno „Aisčiai“

Evaldas Kairys
1990
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Saulius Kulvietis
1991
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Osvaldas Matulionis
1991
Kauno „Aisčiai“

Donatas Motiejūnas
1990
Trevizo „Benetton“ (ITA)

Deividas Nazarovas
1991
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Gediminas Orelikas
1990
Prienų „Rūdupis“

Augustas Pečiukevičius
1991
Kauno „Aisčiai“

Matas Sapiega
1990
Kauno „Erelita-KTU“

Tautvydas Šležas
1990
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Giedrius Staniulis
1991
Vilniaus „Perlas“

Darius Tarvydas
1991
Vilniaus „KM-Magnus“

Ovidijus Varanauskas
1991
Vilniaus „Sakalai“

Marius Zimnickas
1990
Vilniaus „Perlas“

I guess Moteijunas won't be i Croatia as he said that last year

Yeah, Motiejunas most likely won't play, I think he's about to go to NBA and senior NT team camps. On other hand, I think Valančiūnas might join this team, as it was with Motiejūnas when he played for both U18 and U20 one summer.
Even without those two, this team might be pretty good.

mbenga
05-03-2010, 01:00 AM
Spain will likely send the same team that played the u-19 world champs last year with the additions of Josep Franch, Alberto Jodar, Nacho Llovet, maybe Mirotic, and Ricky Rubio (just kidding)

Picek
05-03-2010, 06:22 AM
Spain will likely send the same team that played the u-19 world champs last year with the additions of Josep Franch, Alberto Jodar, Nacho Llovet, maybe Mirotic, and Ricky Rubio (just kidding)Rubio will play this? with WC in Turkey coming up I somehow doubt he will play at this level..

mbenga
05-03-2010, 02:42 PM
Spain will likely send the same team that played the u-19 world champs last year with the additions of Josep Franch, Alberto Jodar, Nacho Llovet, maybe Mirotic, and Ricky Rubio (just kidding)
Better like that? :p

rikhardur
05-07-2010, 11:12 PM
Orenga Appointed Coach Of Spain U20

Former Spain international Juan Antonio Orenga will guide Spain at a U20 European Championship for Men for the second time.

This year's tournament will be staged in Croatia from July 8-18, with Spain taking on Germany, Slovenia and the tournament hosts.

Orenga, 43, has been a member of the FEB technical team for three years and has a wealth of experience.

Having coached the under-20s to a silver medal in Slovenia three years ago, Orenga served as an assistant to Aito Garcia Reneses at the 2008 Beijing Olympics and also helped Sergio Scariolo last year at the EuroBasket in Poland when Spain captured a gold medal.

Also last summer, he served as the head coach of Spain at the FIBA U19 World Championship in New Zealand.

"It is a new challenge to guide these young talents of two generations that I know very well," he said.

"There will be some selected that already competed at the U19 World Championship in New Zealand and others that are younger, but have an important experience having played at excellent level in the last junior EuroBasket.

"These players are full of enthusiasm and willing to compete at a high level.

"They have the experience of having competed in the ACB and in the Adecco League.

"Moreover, from the quality and height that we have of exterior players last year at the U19 World Championship, we also have the interior play with the inclusion of other players."

Orenga has replaced Gustavo Aranzana, who led the team to bronze medals at the U20 European Championship in Greece last year, and the year before in Latvia.

He has experience coaching in the ACB, having held the reins of Estudiantes in the 2005-06 campaign.

As a player, Orenga represented Spain for several years, with his last major tournament coming at the 1998 FIBA World Championship in Athens.

He averaged more than eight points and four rebounds as Spain finished fifth.
http://www.fibaeurope.com/coid_GZOB8j-oIcg0mokx9vGgo0.articleMode_on.container_frontpage .html

Picek
05-08-2010, 06:37 AM
Better like that? :pyes :p

pohani komarac
05-24-2010, 06:03 PM
Slovenia U-20

Mirza Sarajlija (Bosna Sarajevo), Brane Lekic (Elektra Esotech), Uros Zadnik (Slovan), Maj Kovacevic (Krka), Jaka Zagorc (Litija), Dino Muric (Parklji), Aldin Delic (Parklji), Nejc Kobal (Parklji), Jakob Cebasek (Parklji), Edo Muric (Parklji), Davor Barovic (Maribor), Marko Vranjkovic (Maribor), Blaz Mahkovic (Maribor), Nejc Buda (Olimpija Ljubljana), Jure Pelko (Lasko), Simo Atanackovic (Lasko), Luka Dimec (Lasko

Serbia

Nemanja Nedović, Lazar Radosavljević (Crvena zvezda), Nikola Vukasović, Andreja Milutinović, Svetozar Stamenković, Bojan Subotić, Dušan Ognjenović, Dejan Musli (FMP), Aleksandar Vlahović, Bogdan Riznić, Aleksandar Mitrović, Branislav Đekić, Nemanja Jaramaz (Partizan), Milić Blagojević (Mega Vizura), Nemanja Arnautović (Budućnost), Danilo Anđušić, Uroš Petrović (Hemofarm Štada), Đorđe Majstorović (Majadahonda, Spain).

albiongate
05-25-2010, 08:53 AM
Slovenia U-20

Mirza Sarajlija (Bosna Sarajevo), Brane Lekic (Elektra Esotech), Uros Zadnik (Slovan), Maj Kovacevic (Krka), Jaka Zagorc (Litija), Dino Muric (Parklji), Aldin Delic (Parklji), Nejc Kobal (Parklji), Jakob Cebasek (Parklji), Edo Muric (Parklji), Davor Barovic (Maribor), Marko Vranjkovic (Maribor), Blaz Mahkovic (Maribor), Nejc Buda (Olimpija Ljubljana), Jure Pelko (Lasko), Simo Atanackovic (Lasko), Luka Dimec (Lasko)



Davor Barovic (211, 1990) is montenegrin, while Simo Atanackovic (205, 1990) is bosnian serb. Both were naturalized after their 18th birthday, so only one of them will be authorized to play for Slovenia at the U20 EC.

Slovenian bball is in a deep crisis, their youth teams have never been worse than now. So they have to import more players than previously. Nothing new by the way. In the past, several Slovenian NT players were from other former Yougoslavian states (Jurkovic, Kraljevic, Alibegovic, Golemac, Capin, and many others).

Slovenian bball federation is currently offering slovenian nationality to several talented players (especially tall ones) in order to make them play for their youth NT : Bojan Radulovic (210, '92), Alen Omic (213 ‘92), Jusuf Nurkic (‘95), Gezim Morina (204 ‘92) and Erjon Kastrati (198, 1994) are among them.

albiongate
05-26-2010, 07:48 PM
Nikola Mirotic will play for Spain at the U20 European Championships. Last year, he was very close to represent Serbia. At the time, Ranko Zeravica had even organized a meeting between Mirotic and serbian NT coach Duda Ivkovic.

http://tubasket.com/noticiaDetail/verArticulo/FEB/feb/nikola/mirotic/debutara/espana/julio/eurobasket/sub/20/croacia/79284

Veliki_AS
05-26-2010, 10:45 PM
Davor Barovic (211, 1990) is montenegrin, while Simo Atanackovic (205, 1990) is bosnian serb. Both were naturalized after their 18th birthday, so only one of them will be authorized to play for Slovenia at the U20 EC.

Slovenian bball is in a deep crisis, their youth teams have never been worse than now. So they have to import more players than previously. Nothing new by the way. In the past, several Slovenian NT players were from other former Yougoslavian states (Jurkovic, Kraljevic, Alibegovic, Golemac, Capin, and many others).

Slovenian bball federation is currently offering slovenian nationality to several talented players (especially tall ones) in order to make them play for their youth NT : Bojan Radulovic (210, '92), Alen Omic (213 ‘92), Jusuf Nurkic (‘95), Gezim Morina (204 ‘92) and Erjon Kastrati (198, 1994) are among them.



Hi, thanx for info

I heard that Davor Barovic is not true Slovene, but i never have guts to ask someone familiar in Maribor where is he from:cool:

I don't know if Barovic played last season anywhere, last year he was member of Maribor Branik as junior player (Slovenian federation allowes two players without citizeship to play under selected circumstances in youth categories in every club), the club which in next season probalby will not participate with seniors - two interesting young players Marko Vranjkovic and Urban Gorjanc are already in Helios. I' ve seen Barovic play season before in both junior and senior categories and I have to say I wasn't impressed, but also not dissapointed with him.

From the other side, Simo Atanackovic with Alen Omic were brought in Slovenia in the club called Kolpa (in Crnomelj) in 2. division. Both were quickly spotted by Lasko and signed there. Year before this season they played 1. slovenian league for juniors and last slovenian league for seniors in second Lasko team. This year both were awarded with presence in first Lasko team......Ales Pipan gave them some reasonable minutes in 1.A. league.:D

Kobal, E. Muric, Cebasek, Sarajlija, Buda are all born in 1991. One very interesting player from Slovan Jaka Blazic is injured and will probably skip this championship.

Edo Muric didn't play whole season, because he didn't want to resign long term contract with Parklji (sport director of that club is first class idiot:rolleyes:)...... he was practicing with Krka Novo mesto under Aco Dzikic. Interesting will be in what form is he:cool:

rikhardur
05-28-2010, 01:43 AM
Nikola Mirotic will play for Spain at the U20 European Championships. Last year, he was very close to represent Serbia. At the time, Ranko Zeravica had even organized a meeting between Mirotic and serbian NT coach Duda Ivkovic.

http://tubasket.com/noticiaDetail/verArticulo/FEB/feb/nikola/mirotic/debutara/espana/julio/eurobasket/sub/20/croacia/79284
I just noticed the strange way in which he pronounces most "r"'s, some kind of regionalism or speaking peculiarity?

pohani komarac
05-28-2010, 02:10 AM
I just noticed the strange way in which he pronounces most "r"'s, some kind of regionalism or speaking peculiarity?

regionalisam....speeks "r" typical for this region

you can take him out of montenegro but you can't take montenegro out of him:D

rikhardur
05-28-2010, 02:49 PM
regionalisam....speeks "r" typical for this region

you can take him out of montenegro but you can't take montenegro out of him:D
Haha good point! Thanks!

pohani komarac
05-28-2010, 09:07 PM
Croatian prelimnary roster:

Toni Prostran (PG 181 91. Zagreb)
Matteo Jurčić (PG 190 91. Dubrava)
Nikola Došen (PG 187 91. Šibenik)
Luka Pešut (PG 195 91. Zagreb)
Josip Bilinovac (PG/SG 192 90. Široki)
Dino Butorac (SG 192 90. Cedevita)
Ivan Batur (SF 203 91. Zadar)
Ivan Ramljak (SF 203 90. Široki)
Tomislav Zubčić (PF 211 90. Cibona)
Mario Delaš (PF 207 90. Žalgiris)
Leon Radošević (PF/C 208 90. Cibona)
Ivan Buva (PF/C 208 91. Mladost Cedevita)
Darko Planinić (C 211 90. Široki)
Domagoj Bubalo (C 214 91. Zagreb)
Robert Rikić (C 219 90. Zagreb)
Josip Vranješ:confused:

rikhardur
06-01-2010, 03:35 PM
French Under-20s At Temple Sur Lot

France coach Jean-Aymé Toupane has gathered with most of his players to begin getting ready for the U20 European Championship Men in Croatia.

The event will be staged in the Croatian cities of Crikvenica, Makarska and Zadar from July 8-18.

To prepare for the tournament, Toupane and his assistant coaches Laurent Hantz and Laurent Vila have been putting team hopefuls through their paces at Temple sur Lot, France.

From June 5-7, the team will take part in a warm-up event in Treviso, Italy, and then from June 8-12, they will go up against Turkey in three friendly games in Saint Quentin, France.

Toupane and Co will be in Evry from June 14-20 and then travel to Turkey (June 18-20) and Spain (June 30-July 4) for their last preparation tournaments.

At the U20 European Championship, France will go up against the Netherlands, Italy and Russia in Group C.

Some of the players in the preliminary squad are currently involved in their clubs' post-seasons and will arrive later.

They include Maxime Courby and Jonathan Rousselle of Gravelines-Dunkerque, Henry Kahudi of Le Mans and Christophe Leonard of Cholet.

Preliminary squad: Lens Aboudou, Andrew Albicy, Maxim Courby, Alexander Gavrilovic, William Herve, Henry Kahudi, Paul Lacombe, Nicolas Lang, Joffrey Lauvergne, Ishmael Lebrun, Christophe Leonard, Jonathan Leria, Ferdinand Prenom, Tanguy Ramassamy, Jonathan Rousselle, Jérôme Sanchez, Landing Sane, Nikola Stojilkovic, Alexis Tanghe, Mickaël Var.
http://www.fibaeurope.com/coid_CHhvfkofG3EWDiSlx17981.articleMode_on.contain er_frontpage.html

Get Rich Or Die Playin
06-01-2010, 07:02 PM
Latvian team candidate list:
http://sportacentrs.com/basketbols/izlases/01062010-u20_izlase_kandava_saks_gatavosanos_eirop

pohani komarac
06-02-2010, 02:47 PM
Croatian prelimnary roster:

Josip Vranješ:confused:

Now I know him

Played in US, or better didn't paly anything and moved to KK Kraljevica in A2 league where he was bad. But Kraljevica organized U-16 and U-14 championship so I guess favor for favor.

Olivari who was our key defensive player on wing ang who played A1 isn't there and they play same position

Rikic to, who can't dominate bad undersized centars in A2 league is here, whille Sekelja who is better than any ceter here is not called



Thnaks Danko, thanks Jablan! very much:mad:

LuDux
06-09-2010, 01:49 PM
Final Lithuanian NT roster:

209 Tautvydas Slezas
205 Giedrius Staniulis
207 Evaldas Kairys
203 Adomas Drungilas
204 Saulius Kulvietis
200 Gediminas Orelikas
203 Eimantas Bendzius
200 Darius Tarvydas
194 Mantas Kadzevicius
191 Paulius Dambrauskas
191 Augustas Peciukevicius
180 Matas Sapiega

pohani komarac
06-10-2010, 03:48 PM
Dino Butorac broke hand:(

Srle
06-19-2010, 11:50 AM
If all teams come with the best rosters this tournament will be wicked. Serbia,Cratia,France,Lithuania,Turkey all candidates for the title.

GV13
06-19-2010, 11:17 PM
don't you think that Greece is a candidate to win? I think we have practically the same team that won the Euro in Rhodes and came second in the World Championships in New Zealand! They are basically 1 year older with more experience (we basically won the U20 last year with teenagers).......

the_black_planet
06-20-2010, 12:19 PM
Last 14 Lithuanian NT candidates:

209 Tautvydas Slezas
205 Giedrius Staniulis
207 Evaldas Kairys
203 Adomas Drungilas
204 Saulius Kulvietis
200 Gediminas Orelik
203 Eimantas Bendzius
200 Darius Tarvydas
195 Deividas Nazarovas
194 Mantas Kadzevicius
191 Paulius Dambrauskas
191 Augustas Peciukevicius
187 Ovidijus Varanauskas
180 Matas Sapiega

What about Redikas mate?

Dreamcatcher
06-20-2010, 01:59 PM
What about Redikas mate?

He's 1992 birth and going to play for U-18.

Srle
06-20-2010, 05:47 PM
Greece too just forgot to mention it. Very strong championship.

Remon
06-21-2010, 11:02 AM
Greece won the Paris international tournament (btw, does it have a site?).

Greece-Germany 81-56

Greece-France 86-81

Greece-Slovenia 100-63

I don't know if the other teams had full rosters though, as the only players I've seen names and stats for were Greece's.

raph
06-21-2010, 11:34 AM
No website, but you can find games stats at this link (http://www.basketfrance.com/_actu/page_m.php?d=actu&p=actu&id=6250)

France was testing several players, even though the core should be :
albicy at pg
lacombe - lang - leonard at the wing
tanghe - lauvergne - prenom inside

Niang could have been in the list but he's injured (once again). No clue why lebrun was not playing as well.

More to read on eurohopes (http://www.eurohopes.com/home)

pohani komarac
06-22-2010, 11:48 AM
turnanent in turkey with turkey, croatia, ukraine, poland, france and russia

if i'm right there will be streams for turkey games?

http://www.tbf.org.tr/tbfweb/tbfweb2.nsf/($$TBFV1_BasinBulteni_All_WEB_View)/10E04A6C129FB4A9C2257749003ED679?OpenDocument

the_black_planet
06-23-2010, 07:57 PM
Mate the link about the tournament in Turkey doesn't seem to work...I went to http://www.tbf.org.tr but couldn't find my way due to Turkish language.Any help please!When does the tournament start????

pohani komarac
06-23-2010, 08:15 PM
Mate the link about the tournament in Turkey doesn't seem to work...I went to http://www.tbf.org.tr but couldn't find my way due to Turkish language.Any help please!When does the tournament start????

it started, day two over

http://www.tbf.org.tr/tbfweb/tbfweb2.nsf?Open

this should work...my turkish sucks to:o:D, but i use translator and logic:cool:

you also have recap at eurohopes

the_black_planet
06-23-2010, 09:30 PM
Thanks mate,are there any stats available?What about the streams you promised?:p Is there any streaming for tommorow?????

pohani komarac
06-23-2010, 10:46 PM
Thanks mate,are there any stats available?What about the streams you promised?:p Is there any streaming for tommorow?????

haven't look so far for them, don't have time trough day. just wrote what i read on europrospects (any turks to help?)

during games on right side is livescore

http://www.tbf.org.tr/tbfweb/tbfweb2.nsf/($$TBFV1_BasinBulteni_All_WEB_View)?OpenView&Start=9&Page=1

if it doesnt work click on "Diğer Haberler" , if i'm right that is archive, there you have reports

Picek
06-24-2010, 06:00 AM
fried one write the scores of the first day, don't mess with us:
scores of second day:

edit:

Day 1:

Croatia - Poland 95-75

Turkey - Ukraine 86-54

France - Russia 71-63

Day 2:
Croatia - France 73-71

HIRVATİSTAN(73): Nikola Dosen , Ivan Batur 2 (3 ribaund, 1 asist), Josip Bilinovac (1 ribaund, 1 asist), Mario Delas 4 (2 ribaund, 3 asist), Sime Olivari 15 (3 ribaund, 2 asist), Ivan Ramljak 9 (3 ribaund, 4 asist), Toni Prostran 13 (4 ribaund, 8 asist), Leon Radosevic 10 (7 ribaund), Darko Planicic 6 (4 ribaund), Matteo Juricic, Tomislav Zubcic 14 (1 ribaund, 1 asist)

FRANSA(71): Rouselle Jonathan (1 ribaund), Aboudou Lens 3, Albicy Andrew 6 (8 asist), Courby Maxime 5 (3 ribaund, 1 asist), Lacombe Paul 4 (2 ribaund, 1 asist), Lang Nicolas 20 (2 ribaund, 1 asist), Tanghe Alexis 12 (10 ribaund, 2 asist), Alexandre Gavrilovic 6 (3 ribaund), Leonard Christophe 13 (8 ribaund,4 asist), Kahudi Henry 2, Prenom Ferdinand (3 ribaund, 2 asist), Var Mickael (1 ribaund)


Turkey - Russia 86-80

RUSYA(80): Alexander Karpukhin 1, Maxim Bychkov 4 (2 asist), Denis Polokhin 7 (5 ribaund, 4 asist), Fedor Klyuchnikov 15 (1 ribaund, 1 asist), Andrey Kirdyachkin (4 ribaund, 1 asist), Grigory Andreev 7, Pavel Antipov 18 (3 ribaund, 1 asist), Ruslan Pateev 7 (6 ribaund), Vladimir Ivlev 8 (5 ribaund, 1 asist), Evgeny Valiev (4 ribaund, 1 asist), Vladimir Pichkurov 11 (2 ribaund, 1 asist), Alexey Murychev 2 (3 ribaund)

TÜRKİYE(86):Can Maxim Mutaf 14 (2 ribaund, 2 asist), İlkan Karaman 10 (3 ribaund, 1 asist), Melih Mahmutoğlu 8 (3 ribaund, 2 asist), Fırat Töz, Birkan Batuk 7 (1 ribaund, 2 asist), Hüseyin Göksenin Köksal 3 (4 ribaund, 3 asist), İbrahim Yıldırım 12 (4 ribaund, 1 asist), İzzet Türkyılmaz 4 (1 ribaund), Volkan İncekara 2 (2 ribaund, 2 asist), Sertaç Şanlı 4 (2 ribaund), Furkan Aldemir 19 (10 ribaund), Dusan Cantekin 3 (2 ribaund)


Poland - Ukraine 82-72

UKRAYNA(72): Oleksandr Gudkov, Ruslan Olverchenko 10 ( 4 ribaund, 4 asist), Oleksandr Lypovyy 8 ( 3 ribaund, 5 asist), Valeriy Anisimov, Gennadiy Dzyuba, Denys Nokov 6 (1 ribaund), Vladyslav Kondratyev 6 ( 1 ribaund), Kyryl Natyazhko 18 (11 ribaund), Andriy Lebendintsev 12 (6 ribaund, 3 asist), Oleksandr Dolenko, Oleksandr Kosenkov, Maksym Sandul 12 (12 ribaund)

POLONYA(82): Marek Szumelda 17 ( 4 ribaund, 6 asist ), Tomazs Maryniewski, Hubert Wierzbicki (1 ribaund), Alan Czujkowski 2, Wojciech Fras, Piotr Pamula 21 (6 ribaund, 2 asist), Alexander Czyz 10 (13 ribaund), Jaroslaw Morkos 14 (10 ribaund, 4 asist), Jakub Parzenski 2 (1 ribaund), Tomasz Nawokowski (2 ribaund), Jakub Wojciechowski 8 (8 ribaund, 1 asist), Sebastian Szmanski 8 (1 ribaund)

the_black_planet
06-24-2010, 11:53 AM
What the hell where is Kanter?????????

Picek
06-24-2010, 05:56 PM
day 3:
Hrvatistan - Ukrayinistan 98-56

UKRAYNA(56): Ruslan Olverchenko (3 ribaund, 2 asist), Oleksandr Lypovyy 12 (4 ribaund, 1 asist), Maksym Ozhegov 2 (2 ribaund), Valeriy Anisimov (1 asist), Gennadiy Dzyuba 10 (1 asist), Denys Noskov 4, Vladyslav Kondratyev 4 (2 ribaund), Kyryl Natyazhko 14 ( 7 ribaund, 1 asist), Andriy Lebendintsev 2 (3 ribaund, 3 asist), Oleksandr Osnach 8 (8 ribaund), Oleksandr Kosenkov (1 ribaund, 1 asist), Maksym Sandul ( 3 ribaund)

HIRVATİSTAN(98): Nikola Dosen 3 ( 2 asist), Ivan Batur 10 ( 5 ribaund, 4 asist), Josip Bilinovac 13 (2 ribaund, 3 asist), Mario Delas 14 (5 ribaund), Sime Olivari ( 1 ribaund, 1 asist), Ivan Ramljak 13 (9 ribaund, 1 asist), Toni Prostran 12 (5 ribaund, 10 asist), Leon Radosevic 18 ( 5 ribaund), Darko Planicic 5 (3 ribaund), Domagoj Bubalo 2, Robert Rikic 2 (2 ribaund), Tomislav Zubcic 6


Russia - Poland 91-68

Turkey - France 66-61

raph
06-24-2010, 06:07 PM
For people who wants the live stats, its at this link (http://live.tbf.org.tr/TBF/netcasting/default.asp?game_number=9&microsite_scope=undefined)

Picek
06-25-2010, 02:52 PM
day 4:
Croatia - Russia 85-81 (OT)

Delaš 26+12, Radošević 20+7, Prostran 19+7+5, Zubcic 11+2

France - Ukraine 61-60

Turkey - Poland 86-78

Picek
06-26-2010, 03:50 PM
day 5
Russia - Ukraine 84-66

France - Poland 85-69

Turkey - Croatia 86-79

Prostran 0 points, 8 rebs and 13 asists, Radosevic 26 points + 6 rebounds

Turkey won the tournament..

Picek
06-27-2010, 10:23 AM
Tournament in Italy (Pesaro)

day 1:
SERBIA – GREECE 88:79 (17:18, 20:21, 20:18, 31:22)

Srbija: Mulutinović 7, Obrenović, Riznić, Subotić 4, Nedović 14, Mitrović 17, Arnautović 3, Petrović, Đekić 14, Anđušić 7, Jaramaz 9, Musli 13.

Italy - Slovenia 71-77 (18-15, 14-21, 19-16, 20-25)

Italia: Giampaoli 2, Sanguinetti 20, Crotta 2, Pascolo 6, Casella, Loschi, Mariani, Rullo 15, Sandri 4, Martone 4, Borra 4, Gentile A. 14. Coach: Sacripanti

day 2:
Slovenia - Serbia 73-66 (17:13, 20:20, 18:12, 18:21)

Srbija: Milutinović 8, Obrenović 6, Vukasović, Subotić 2, Nedović 8, Mitrović 6, Arnautović 2, Majstorović, Đekić 3, Anđušić 7, Jaramaz 9, Musli 15.

Greece - Italy 84-59 (18-18, 17-16, 15-22, 9-28)
Italia: Panzini 6, Giampaoli 6, Sanguinetti 10, Baldi Rossi 5, Cournooh 7, Pascolo 5, Casella, Amici 3 Rullo 5, Sandri 8, Martone 2, Borra 8. Coach: Sacripanti

day 3

Slovenia - Greece

Italy - Serbia

Basket_
06-27-2010, 11:49 AM
06-26 Lithuania - Latvia 83:47

Lithuania: Tautvydas Šležas 11 (6 rebounds), Augustas Pečiukevičius and Mantas Kadzevičius 10, Eimantas Bendžius and Evaldas Kairys 9, Adomas Drungilas and Gediminas Orelikas 7, Giedrius Staniulis and Darius Tarvydas 6, Matas Sapiega 5. Deividas Nazarovas didn't played because of injury.

Latvia: Haralds Karlis 12, Artioms Butjankovs and Martins Meiers 6.


06-27 Lithuania - Latvia (23:11, 21:18, 13:16, 20:13) .

Lithuania: Gediminas Orelikas 17, Adomas Drungilas and Giedrius Staniulis 10, Saulius Kulvietis 8, Augustas Pečiukevičius 7 (7 assits), Deividas Nazarovas, Evaldas Kairys and Tautvydas Šležas 6, Mantas Kadzevičius 3, Matas Sapiega and Eimantas Bendžius 2.

Latvia: Kalvis Krumins 14, Armands Senkans and Davis Rozitis 8.


P.S. Nice to see Mario Delas playing well :)

LuDux
07-01-2010, 08:26 AM
Final Lithuanian NT roster:

209 Tautvydas Slezas
205 Giedrius Staniulis
207 Evaldas Kairys
203 Adomas Drungilas
204 Saulius Kulvietis
200 Gediminas Orelikas
203 Eimantas Bendzius
200 Darius Tarvydas
194 Mantas Kadzevicius
191 Paulius Dambrauskas
191 Augustas Peciukevicius
180 Matas Sapiega

Srle
07-01-2010, 11:21 AM
Without Motiejunas or Valanciunas you are not contenders . I guess second one will play for Junior national team same as Kanter. They have best chances to win title there.

Dreamcatcher
07-01-2010, 11:56 AM
Without Motiejunas or Valanciunas you are not contenders . I guess second one will play for Junior national team same as Kanter. They have best chances to win title there.

This team isn't weak. 9 of 12 players last season played in the first lithuanian league. Thet can do their best. We will see.

pablonis
07-01-2010, 03:02 PM
Indeed. A medal is far from being out of reach for these lads.

Motiejunas seems to be well on his way to men's national team.

pohani komarac
07-02-2010, 09:27 PM
From Makarska


Live score on fiba europe pages
http://live.fibaeurope.com/netcasting/default.asp?game_number=N00003&microsite_scope=undefined

Edit:

Croatia-Greece 77:61 (20:17, 16:14, 23:14, 18:16)
Croatia: Došen 2 (28min), Radošević 19 (26min, 2sk, 3ukr.l), Bilinovac (12min), Delaš 9 (23min, 6sk), Olivari 3 (21min, 6sk, 2as), Ramljak 12 (22min, 6sk, 2as), Prostran (6min, 2sk, 2as), Batur 16 (30min, 2as), Planinić 3 (2sk), Zubčić 13 (19 min, 6sk, 2as), Juričić, Bubalo
Greece: Katsivelis 1, Mourtos, Georgakis 3, Manzaris 7, Karathanasis, Papantoniou, Papanikolaou 10, Sloukas 15, Janković 4, Pappas 12, Kaselakis 2 (8sk), Sankopoulos 7 (8sk)



Italy - Turkey 73:68 (23:19, 16:14, 17:15, 17:20)
Italy: Giampaoli 2, Sanguinetti 7, Biligha 11, Cournooh 7, Martone 4, Pascolo 9, Casella 2, Iannuzzi 2, Sandri 8, Vitali 3, Crotta 9, Gentile 9
Turkey: Koksal 7 (7sk), Kilicli 4, Mahmutoglu 6, Mutaf 2, Batuk 11, Karaman 13 (8sk), Yildirim 8, Incekara 3, Turkyilmaz 7 (8sk), Sanli 6, Cantekin 1

pablonis
07-02-2010, 10:03 PM
Friendly tournament in Madrid, Spain.

Lithuania - France 57:56

pohani komarac
07-03-2010, 10:40 PM
Croati - Italy 77:60 (23:18, 16:11, 22:9, 16:22)
Croatia: Došen (16min, 2as), Radošević 19 (16min, 3sk, 3ukr.l, 5izg.l.), Bilinovac 2 (9min), Delaš 14 (23min, 4sk), Olivari 4 (20min, 2as), Ramljak 3 (32min, šut 0/5, 9sk, 3as), Juričić 2 (14min, 2sk, 2as), Batur 5 (28min, 4sk, 5izg.l), Planinić 10 (15min, 6sk), Rikić 4 (6min), Zubčić 14 (20min, 7sk, 3as), Bubalo
Italy: Giampaoli 10, Sanguinetti 2, Pascolo, Cournooh 6, Polonara 4, Loschi 5, Borra 2, Iannuzzi 5, Sandri 7, Vitali 5, Crotta 8, Gentile 6

Greece - Turkey 65-56

prostran played yesterday only 6min., today 0min. hope nothing serius is with him, it would be huge blow for us. we have only him as good PG

pablonis
07-04-2010, 07:24 PM
Friendly tournament in Madrid, Spain.

Lithuania - France 57:56

Lithuania - Spain 91:79

Lt: Bendzius 21pts., Slezas 11pts., Drungilas and Staniulis each 10pts., Sapiega and Peciukevicius each had 8pts. and 5ass.

Sp: Nikola Mirotic 21pts., Nacho Llovet 21pts.

Srle
07-04-2010, 08:25 PM
This is searbian squad .Nemanja Nedović, Danilo Anđušić, Nemanja Jaramaz, Nemanja Arnautović, Bogdan Riznić, Andreja Milutinović, Aleksandar Mitrović, Branislav Đekić, Đorđe Majstorović, Bojan Subotić, Dejan Musli i Bogdan Obrenović.
I think this is a terrible selection. First of all players born in 1990 and 1991 don't have good chemistry . Its already proven. Generation born in 1991 should represent Serbia they are European junior champions. Also coach Bosko Djokic made some dumb selection. He brought only one pg Nedovic and he cut second one Vukasovic:mad: Also he brought Obrenovic who is the terrible player and he didn't even invite Radosavljevic in training camp who is by far best SF of this generation. I think this team is ready for disaster i hope i am wrong:confused:

pohani komarac
07-05-2010, 12:39 AM
Croatia - Turkey 82:70 (21:12, 14:23, 28:17, 19:18)
Croatia: Došen 5 (21min, 4sk, 5as), Radošević 23 (25min, šut 9/11), Bilinovac 2 (7min), Delaš 23 (25min, šut 8/13, 6sk), Olivari 4 (34min, 2sk, 2as), Ramljak 2 (23min), Prostran 4 (12min, 4as), Batur 5 (24min, 2sk, 2as), Planinić 7 (15min, 3sk), Rikić, Zubčić 7 (15 min, 3sk), Juričić, Bubalo
Turkey: Koksal 2, Kilicli 4, Mahmutoglu 12 (6sk), Mutaf 2, Birkan 9, Karaman 13 (6sk), Yildirim 11, Volkan 3, Turkyilmaz, Sanli, Furkan 10 (12sk), Cantekin 7

Greece beat Italy 107:63

pohani komarac
07-07-2010, 07:47 PM
Croatia final roster:

Toni Prostran (PG 181 91. Zagreb)
Nikola Došen (PG 187 91. Šibenik)
Josip Bilinovac (PG/SG 192 90. Široki)
Dino Butorac (SG 192 90. Cedevita)
Šime Olivari (SG/SF 197 90. Zadar)
Ivan Batur (SF 203 91. Zadar)
Ivan Ramljak (SF 203 90. Široki)
Tomislav Zubčić (PF 211 90. Cibona)
Mario Delaš (PF 207 90. Žalgiris)
Leon Radošević (PF/C 208 90. Cibona)
Darko Planinić (C 211 90. Široki)
Robert Rikić (C 219 90. Zagreb)

They decided to wait for posible recover of Butorac. Hope he will be OK, he is our best shooter and very important pice

coolfire
07-07-2010, 10:00 PM
is there any chance to watch group stage games online or on tv?

pohani komarac
07-07-2010, 10:31 PM
is there any chance to watch group stage games online or on tv?

unfortunaly no

our national TV-bought rights and promised to show all of our games, but it seems that they will bradcast only from quaters if we will play. luckley for rest from quaters they must tape all games and send signal. they treat all other sports besides football like pice of shit:mad:

Picek
07-08-2010, 04:16 PM
first game of the championship and a first surprise. Germany beat Spain with a buzzer beating 3pt shot :p
in other games Ukraine destroyed Latvia behind great 3pt shooting..

at the moment Lithuania turned the game in their favour after losing first HT and Italy and Russia playing a close game..
hopefully I will be able to go to one of the sites and watch some games live...

Levenspiel
07-08-2010, 05:07 PM
first game of the championship and a first surprise. Germany beat Spain with a buzzer beating 3pt shot :p
Yeah, I was checking this game through livestream. Although leading until the last minute, Germany had to fight back in the last moments. They tied the game at 00:11, then fouled the Spanish player on the last sec :confused:. Then, somehow, they managed to make a 3-pointer in that remaining one second!

Wolfe
07-08-2010, 05:30 PM
Can someone tell me where to see Greece game??

Thanks

Picek
07-08-2010, 05:57 PM
Can someone tell me where to see Greece game??

Thanks
in basketball hall in Crikvenica :p

the_black_planet
07-08-2010, 08:41 PM
unfortunaly no

our national TV-bought rights and promised to show all of our games, but it seems that they will bradcast only from quaters if we will play. luckley for rest from quaters they must tape all games and send signal. they treat all other sports besides football like pice of shit:mad:

That's really bad for them.This generation of Croatian basketball is something special and this happens under their noses!Pathetic...

the_black_planet
07-08-2010, 08:50 PM
Also anybody knows why Mirotic didn't play tonight?????

pohani komarac
07-08-2010, 08:53 PM
Also anybody knows why Mirotic didn't play tonight?????

he had some injury, but in last minute they decided to lead him

Picek
07-08-2010, 09:11 PM
he had some injury, but in last minute they decided to lead him

yes, he injured his ankle in the last prep game against Lithuania on the tournament in Madrid..
meanwhile we are losing our first game to Slovenia...
I was afraid of this..
gold around their necks before the championship even started..
classic croatian basketball story... :rolleyes:

washcloud
07-09-2010, 12:57 PM
in basketball hall in Crikvenica :p

Any chance other than that?
I've heard there's coverage by some sattelite channel (dunno however which that might be).

Got any friends at Crikvenica to verify that there are cameras running inside the court? :P


Btw, I think that at least up to last year your national tv was streaming its program (and I was also amazed by the quality of the stream - HD it was I think). Am I right about this? Or did I see it in my sleep? And if I didn't, why can't I find streams at its home page?
Any tips?

pohani komarac
07-09-2010, 01:15 PM
Any chance other than that?
I've heard there's coverage by some sattelite channel (dunno however which that might be).

Got any friends at Crikvenica to verify that there are cameras running inside the court? :P


Btw, I think that at least up to last year your national tv was streaming its program (and I was also amazed by the quality of the stream - HD it was I think). Am I right about this? Or did I see it in my sleep? And if I didn't, why can't I find streams at its home page?
Any tips?

check my post what i wrote about broadcasting and streams

bad news for us, prostran got big hit in muscle minute before end of game and was taken out of court acording kosarka.hr and some guys that were there on croatian forum. that would be huge blow for us as he is only worthy pg

washcloud
07-09-2010, 01:52 PM
check my post what i wrote about broadcasting and streams
I did see your post (and made me happy not too). However I'm just wondering about HRT internet streaming in general (not just for the U20 games). Has it stopped? Or simply wasn't I able to find it?

pohani komarac
07-09-2010, 03:30 PM
I did see your post (and made me happy not too). However I'm just wondering about HRT internet streaming in general (not just for the U20 games). Has it stopped? Or simply wasn't I able to find it?

i just checked

"Poštovani korisnici, zbog ograničenih prava emitiranja putem interneta, streaming Prvog programa HTV-a tijekom Svjetskog nogometnog prvenstva (od 11. lipnja do 11. srpnja) bit će dostupan samo na području Republike Hrvatske!

here it says that during football WC stream is only avaible on croatian teritory because limited tv rights.

washcloud
07-09-2010, 04:33 PM
during football WC stream is only avaible on croatian teritory because limited tv rights.
...ah so that was it...
Thanks for solving the mystery, man

Picek
07-09-2010, 06:15 PM
bad news for us, prostran got big hit in muscle minute before end of game and was taken out of court acording kosarka.hr and some guys that were there on croatian forum. that would be huge blow for us as he is only worthy pgit looks like he is out for the championship.. :(

albiongate
07-09-2010, 06:38 PM
Fiba should open an inquiry on the game Serbia-Montenegro. I really hope that the news I got is false, but some sources in Montenegro (forumers and family members) told me about an agreement between both teams. Many punters will gain money in Serbia and Montenegro tonight.

Buducnost PG
07-09-2010, 06:54 PM
Fiba should open an inquiry on the game Serbia-Montenegro. I really hope that the news I got is false, but some sources in Montenegro (forumers and family members) told me about an agreement between both teams. Many punters will gain money in Serbia and Montenegro tonight.

Game finished. 68-59 for Crna Gora.:D Now Turks are out, if they not win against Lithuania. Game fixed, who knows.:D

pablonis
07-09-2010, 09:13 PM
Lith's took control from the very first minutes...

Lithuania - Turkey 85:69

Bendzius is really stepping up in this rather equal squad - yet another promising SF. Adding to his good performance yesterday, he had 19pts. (5/8 3pt) and 8 rb.

Absence of Motiejunas gives plenty of chances to guys like Slezas at the centre. He had 11pts. and 11rb.

the_black_planet
07-10-2010, 09:50 AM
Any info please about Bojan Dubljevic?Whatever happened in that game,this young lad had amazing stats in the Balkan League!

Tap
07-10-2010, 08:58 PM
At the moment(end of the 1st round) :
GROUP A
1. Greece 3/0 6
2. Ukraine 2/1 5
3. Latvia 1/2 4
4. Czech Republic 0/3 3
GROUP B
1. Montenegro 2/1 5
2. Serbia 2/1 5
3. Lithuania 2/1 5
4. Turkey 0/3 3
GROUP C
1. France 3/0 6
2. Russia 2/1 5
3. Italy 1/2 4
4. Netherlands 0/3 3
GROUP D
1. Croatia 2/1 5
2. Spain 2/1 5
3. Slovenia 1/2 4
4. Germany 1/2 4

Srle
07-10-2010, 09:39 PM
Nemanja Nedovic should have break out season this year . Great physical abilities for European PG.

albiongate
07-11-2010, 01:12 PM
Nemanja Nedovic should have break out season this year . Great physical abilities for European PG.

zPNssDFqhE0

raph
07-12-2010, 03:03 PM
Apparently, some of the games will be broadcasted thanks to an agreement between fiba and some broadcaster ( Sportsman media group).
More to read at that link (http://www.fibaeurope.com/antiCache_515.coid_8qoE8DhTJTAhWytJAJX632.articleM ode_on.html)

The agreement also concerns the under 18 tournament in lithuania.

The list of the games that will be displayed is available here. (http://www.fibatv.com/page/FibaEuropeLive/0,,12805,00.html). Might be upgraded later, but so far at least the semi finals/final of each tournament will be broadcasted in fiba live (for free, apparently).

Sucks that we can't watch lit's vs greeks though, if we refer to the global percentages, it has to be a good game (stat live here (http://live.fibaeurope.com/netcasting/default.asp?game_number=7342-E-1&microsite_scope=undefined)).

Srle
07-12-2010, 03:31 PM
They will broadcas semi- finals , finals and bronze medal games.

Picek
07-12-2010, 05:26 PM
Slovenia - France 5-5 after first quarter :D

Greece with their fourth win..

raph
07-12-2010, 05:50 PM
16 - 13, things are geting much better ^^
This is just a game to balance the one between greece & lithuania :rolleyes:

washcloud
07-13-2010, 05:19 PM
Slovenia - France 5-5 after first quarter :D

Greece with their fourth win..

....5th (http://www.fibaeurope-u20men.com/en/Default.asp?cid={3E00A2C0-841C-4CE2-A80B-9CE58276966C}&pageID={0FBA8279-AE62-40FF-AE56-DCD69F1B8AA5}&compID={792A6AB7-C6A6-434B-BEA5-9BF1BC619DB4}&season=2010&)!

http://www.adslgr.com/forum/images/smilies/eguitar.gif

Levenspiel
07-13-2010, 05:27 PM
OMG, Turkish U20 team lost to Netherlands. Will they even relegate!?:rolleyes:

Get Rich Or Die Playin
07-13-2010, 07:07 PM
WOW, suprising for me was Latvia winning against Lithuania (75:72).

Picek
07-13-2010, 09:10 PM
first easy win for us..
25 points against France..
this Prostran not being ready before quarters could actually be a good thing for us..
if ofcourse he will be ready to play in the quarters..
'cause with him out Bilinovac and Došen received enough playing time to actually get some selfconfidence..
especially Bilinovac is growin'..
hopefully Prostran will return..

Ukraine won against Serbia..
nice tournament by them so far..
it will be a crazy day tomorrow in this group..
all six team with chances to go through (Ukraine and Greece already through to the quarters as number 2 and number 1 of the group)..
Greece has nothing to play for and Serbia needs a win to be sure to advance..

pohani komarac
07-13-2010, 09:55 PM
first easy win for us..
25 points against France..
this Prostran not being ready before quarters could actually be a good thing for us..
if ofcourse he will be ready to play in the quarters..
'cause with him out Bilinovac and Došen received enough playing time to actually get some selfconfidence..
especially Bilinovac is growin'..
hopefully Prostran will return..

Ukraine won against Serbia..
nice tournament by them so far..
it will be a crazy day tomorrow in this group..
all six team with chances to go through (Ukraine and Greece already through to the quarters as number 2 and number 1 of the group)..
Greece has nothing to play for and Serbia needs a win to be sure to advance..

dosen lead his sibenik stright to A2 leage from A1 league. if there was no radic, jablan, drakulic, spahija and resot of cro basket mafia that guy would never play for our nt

bilinovac is not PG, but he does his job decent, but no mather how much better he is on defese he can't replece prostron whose abave average player for U categories (i dobt he will translate that to seior level) that brigs us leadership, creation and extra idea

washcloud
07-14-2010, 06:44 PM
Serbia vs Greece 62-63


That's 6 out of 6 http://whynotnews.eu/untoldmysteries/xmenu/chat/smileys/basketball.gif


...and judging by FIBA's "live timing", it must have been a heart-breaking game.
DAMN, we should have been able to watch these games......:mad:

Dreamcatcher
07-14-2010, 07:10 PM
Serbia vs Greece 62-63


That's 6 out of 6 http://whynotnews.eu/untoldmysteries/xmenu/chat/smileys/basketball.gif


...and judging by FIBA's "live timing", it must have been a heart-breaking game.
DAMN, we should have been able to watch these games......:mad:

And this result doesn't allow Lithuania to go to 1/4. Serbia helped brothers from Montenegro.

Picek
07-14-2010, 07:33 PM
quarterfinal pairings:
Greece - Russia
Spain - Serbia
Ukraine - France
Croatia - Montenegro

Wrda
07-14-2010, 07:43 PM
Picek, are you sure?

Greece - Russia (E1 - F4)
Ukraine - France (E2 - F3)
Serbia - Croatia (E3 - F2)
Montenegro - Spain (E4 - F1)

Picek
07-14-2010, 08:20 PM
Picek, are you sure?

Greece - Russia (E1 - F4)
Ukraine - France (E2 - F3)
Serbia - Croatia (E3 - F2)
Montenegro - Spain (E4 - F1)it depends on the final outcome of Lithuania -Ukraine game..
considering Lithuania is winning then you are right..

Srle
07-14-2010, 10:56 PM
As I said before the championship 90/91 generation has no chemistry at all . We should have sent only kids born in 91 they are winners. Somehow I am still optimistic since we are playing against Croatia in the quarters:D:)

pohani komarac
07-14-2010, 11:58 PM
After Prostran Olivari muscle broke:(

koursaros7
07-15-2010, 07:19 AM
Serbia vs Greece 62-63


That's 6 out of 6 http://whynotnews.eu/untoldmysteries/xmenu/chat/smileys/basketball.gif




I hope it won't bring bad luck later on :p

Tap
07-15-2010, 07:37 AM
Picek, are you sure?

Greece - Russia (E1 - F4)
Ukraine - France (E2 - F3)
Serbia - Croatia (E3 - F2)
Montenegro - Spain (E4 - F1)

yeah these are the right pairings.i predict greece,ukraine,croatia and spain are gonna be the winners.good luck Greece!

prtzn
07-15-2010, 07:49 AM
Somehow I am still optimistic since we are playing against Croatia in the quarters:D:)
On the other hand, I think this is the worst case possible...
Playing against maybe the toughest opponent in f*ckin' Zadar (their best possible home court)!
I hope that Zadar fans will support Prostran, even though they have issues with him, he really needs it now.
I hope that we can't lose 3 straight games, but I'll have to wait and more importantly SEE :) (Finally not having to watch that play by play anymore...)

P.S. I wonder how Montenegro vs Mirotic will look like :D

washcloud
07-15-2010, 11:42 AM
I hope it won't bring bad luck later on :p
...stop thinking like a Greek reporter :D

(...it's true however that the schedual is exhausting -all those consequtive games- and I don't know how the hell they are gonna be able to simply sweep their way through to the gold medal, but they'd better just do that :p)

koursaros7
07-16-2010, 03:16 AM
...stop thinking like a Greek reporter :D



you have a good point there, that was a repetitive greek journalist cliche! :D

washcloud
07-16-2010, 04:28 PM
you have a good point there, that was a repetitive greek journalist cliche! :D

...speaking of repetition, tomorrow's semi (after today's win against Russia) looks like a repetition of 2008's U18 semi. Greece's team is virtually the same - I just don't know about the Croatian one (yes, I do think the Croatian team is gonna beat the Serbs). This year they are going to be the ones to be having the home advantage.
Βack then it was a strοll down the park (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVoGm2ZWsoU)
(...down the court, better yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7oxhiGGRes)) for the Greeks.
This year I predict a "massacre" of a game however. We'll find out tomorrow - let's hope we're gonna be able to actually see this live like promised by FIBA!

Migelitas
07-16-2010, 09:01 PM
Delaaaaaas!:D

Croats just made a miracle

elaj
07-16-2010, 09:06 PM
Unbelievable how Serbs threw the game away. :rolleyes:

Picek
07-16-2010, 10:08 PM
I just finished watching the game without knowing the final score..
well, all I can say is there was no Kecman/Đorđević/etc. to the rescue.. :p

pohani komarac
07-16-2010, 10:45 PM
me happy:) finaly that we as long time chokers won close game, against our bigest rival:D we finaly had some luck and hands down to their coach at first, then their players. what should be easy beak away dunk for musli after our bad zone press, some serbian plyer throw ball in stands, after butorac hit huge 7m shoot. later 10 sec before game their coach didn't ask for foul, butorac got ball in corner and like 10 year old veteran forced 3 point foul, scored firt two, then very luckley ball ended un delas hands who scored layup.

trough game we played very, very bad. to much individuality, while prostran is far from ready, tough he did very decent in ofense, but again couldn't finish game. this time he should be ready tomorow. serbia trough game played very smart, punished us with simple pick, and it wouldn't be undeserved if they won but their coach and mistake cost them game. for us if we will play tomorow like today we don't have chance

Marko-
07-16-2010, 11:23 PM
me happy:) finaly that we as long time chokers won close game, against our bigest rival:D we finaly had some luck and hands down to their coach at first, then their players. what should be easy beak away dunk for musli after our bad zone press, some serbian plyer throw ball in stands, after butorac hit huge 7m shoot. later 10 sec before game their coach didn't ask for foul, butorac got ball in corner and like 10 year old veteran forced 3 point foul, scored firt two, then very luckley ball ended un delas hands who scored layup.

trough game we played very, very bad. to much individuality, while prostran is far from ready, tough he did very decent in ofense, but again couldn't finish game. this time he should be ready tomorow. serbia trough game played very smart, punished us with simple pick, and it wouldn't be undeserved if they won but their coach and mistake cost them game. for us if we will play tomorow like today we don't have chance


Game can be called " You didn't win, we just won ourselves" :D

pohani komarac
07-16-2010, 11:47 PM
Game can be called " You didn't win, we just won ourselves" :D

well it was time that we don't beat ourself:D

here are last plays
http://vinovo.magnify.net/video/Hrvatska-vs-Srbija-76-75/theater#theater_title

Srle
07-17-2010, 02:36 AM
I just finished watching the game without knowing the final score..
well, all I can say is there was no Kecman/Đorđević/etc. to the rescue.. :p

No there was Nedovic, Jaramaz,Musli and Djokic to rescue your team;) This team had terrible chemistry as I stated before championship. They deserved to leave this tournament much earlier than this stage. Generations 90 and 91 couldn't co-exist together it's already proven also these changing of winning coaches of our young national teams every year is flat out terrible.

elaj
07-17-2010, 07:10 AM
well it was time that we don't beat ourself:D

here are last plays
http://vinovo.magnify.net/video/Hrvatska-vs-Srbija-76-75/theater#theater_titleThat stupid quick pass by Nedović 14 seconds to go was cruical. Serbs lost the game then. I don't know what was going on in his mind then but, yeah... U20 unpredictable and fun to follow just because of such stupid ilogical plays. :D

washcloud
07-17-2010, 08:58 AM
I just finished watching the game without knowing the final score..p

...you mean there was full broadcast and you downloaded it from somewhere?

Beva
07-17-2010, 09:18 AM
...you mean there was full broadcast and you downloaded it from somewhere?

National TV showed the game, but with a delay of 1 hour... Because of athletics, which they gave first time this year :)

We could watch the game from 22:20.

washcloud
07-17-2010, 09:58 AM
National TV showed the game, but with a delay of 1 hour... Because of athletics, which they gave first time this year :)

We could watch the game from 22:20.

Ah thanks Beva

Srle
07-17-2010, 11:20 AM
That stupid quick pass by Nedović 14 seconds to go was cruical. Serbs lost the game then. I don't know what was going on in his mind then but, yeah... U20 unpredictable and fun to follow just because of such stupid ilogical plays. :D
After that turnover there was more dumb plays, foul , offensive rebound. Our idiot of coach didn't put in another center when Croatian player was shooting free throws:rolleyes:

the_black_planet
07-17-2010, 12:48 PM
What could I say about Butorac,the man hit the decisive 3 from 8-9 meters,won the 3 FTs,hit the 1st pair and then missed the 3rd to tie the game.Can you consider him a typical example of Croatian Bball player???:p

albiongate
07-17-2010, 01:05 PM
Useful defeat.

I hope that it will help Nedovic & co to clear their heads. At least seven players from this team (Nedovic, Milutinovic, Mitrovic, Djekic, Musli, Andjusic, Jaramaz) can expect to become strong players at the european level in the years to come.

I also expect the same for Lazar Radosavljevic (he missed the EP due to an injury), Alex Dragicevic, Nikola Kalinic, Uros Petrovic, Svetozar Stamenkovic, Aleksandar Vlahovic and Djordje Gagic.

Djokic's choices killed us.

Picek
07-17-2010, 02:15 PM
No there was Nedovic, Jaramaz,Musli and Djokic to rescue your team;) .

I honestly don't give a fuck how you call it..
whatever makes you happy ;)

pohani komarac
07-17-2010, 04:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecAKzu-hdVs&playnext_from=TL&videos=p7cyRu_OP-4&feature=sub

game highlights

the_black_planet
07-17-2010, 04:57 PM
The game is also uploaded in sport-scene.Any streaming for tonight's games???

washcloud
07-17-2010, 05:19 PM
The game is also uploaded in sport-scene.Any streaming for tonight's games???

It's on fiba.tv . All You need is to register. It asks for address and phone number etc - but simply put whatever there


btw, if you have some invitation for sport-scene, I'd appreciate it

the_black_planet
07-17-2010, 05:28 PM
Thank you so much man!I'll check later my sport-scene account and pm you:)

washcloud
07-17-2010, 05:33 PM
Thank you so much man!I'll check later my sport-scene account and pm you:)

...be quick to register, 'cause it shows some really nice cheerleaders! :D


It seems I still can't pm you due to my low postcount -and I don't know if you can't pm me becasuse of this as well- so better contact me at [email protected]mail.com or my MSN (so I can contact you back if there's need to).

raph
07-17-2010, 05:40 PM
Nice game so far. And nice defense (half court D's & the one on delas).

The cheerleaders are not the only one that are rather good looking ^^

papanikolaou time during the 3rd so far.

pohani komarac
07-17-2010, 05:50 PM
and again no constractive play for us. evrything ends with pick or ball in low post for one one one game (actually 6meters from basket).

washcloud
07-17-2010, 05:57 PM
Nice game so far. And nice defense (half court D's & the one on delas).

The cheerleaders are not the only one that are rather good looking ^^

...I guess you're (your team I mean) is gonna be next. How do you feel about a repetition of last year's final?


(yeah it's not just the cheerleaders, there's some worthwhile babes at the audience as well :cool:)

raph
07-17-2010, 06:07 PM
I wish, but seriously, spain is by far favorite in our semi, we don't have anyone to match up with mirotic. We will see though, besides franch, i think our guards & forwards are better (except for franch).

Anyway spain or france, and if croat don't manage to come back (seems unlikely for now), i don't think greece will have a hard time geting gold again.

washcloud
07-17-2010, 06:07 PM
ugh, this foul on Papanikolaou was uncalled for...
It was a clear block.
The referees are somewhat protecting Croatia - and it's understandable since they are the hosts, but hmmmmmmm

washcloud
07-17-2010, 06:12 PM
I wish, but seriously, spain is by far favorite in our semi, we don't have anyone to match up with mirotic. We will see though, besides franch, i think our guards & forwards are better (except for franch).

Anyway spain or france, and if croat don't manage to come back (seems unlikely for now), i don't think greece will have a hard time geting gold again.

Well your team depends much on defence as a rule, however. We'll see.
As far as the Greek team goes, I believe tonight is already having the hardest game, and if we go to the final, it's gonna be much easier. Plus I don't think Croatia is gonna surrender that easy.

CG
07-17-2010, 06:25 PM
one more time this greek nt make us proud

Picek
07-17-2010, 06:33 PM
and again no constractive play for us. evrything ends with pick or ball in low post for one one one game (actually 6meters from basket).
it's not a problem when you lose..
but this?
what the f*** was Kurtović doing?
he basicly killed our every chance with his hockey like changes..
and Prostran's comeback hurt us..
you could have seen that yesterday as well..
we made a comeback without him after being down by 7 points yesterday..
we would probably be better without him, this way he was clearly not ready to play and our team play suffered..
we had a nice start today without him, up by 5 before he came in..
after that collapse started..
Prostran when ready ofcourse leads this team but we made three easy victories in the second round without him..
we played some team basketball and then Kurtović decided to play him too much..
and I hope noone will ever call Zadar as a basketball city..
they don't deserve it...

raph
07-17-2010, 06:34 PM
Camera focusing on papanikolaou is justified, what a second half he has made. I hope that ivkovic will grant him minutes in EL next year.

The "all star game " finish was uncalled for though imo, no matter how talented you are ;)

Dreamcatcher
07-17-2010, 06:38 PM
Where does Pappas play? Which club has rights for him? As far, the best player here.

Minotavros
07-17-2010, 06:38 PM
Camera focusing on papanikolaou is justified, what a second half he has made. I hope that ivkovic will grant him minutes in EL next year.

The "all star game " finish was uncalled for though imo, no matter how talented you are ;)

The problem with the Greek youngsters is not the lack of talent, but the lack of playing time. In this Greek NT only Pappas is getting some PT by his club.

Minotavros
07-17-2010, 06:40 PM
Where does Pappas play? Which club has rights for him? As far, the best player here.

Bilbao has his rights. He plays for Kollosos Rhodos (on loan).

He can score at will at this level.

CG
07-17-2010, 06:41 PM
Camera focusing on papanikolaou is justified, what a second half he has made. I hope that ivkovic will grant him minutes in EL next year.

The "all star game " finish was uncalled for though imo, no matter how talented you are ;)

not only PAP but its making you thinking what more Beverly has to takeminutes from Sloukas development.
i mean the kid will be terrific PG if someone helphim.
and when we said Pappas will sign to PAO?:D

Minotavros
07-17-2010, 06:43 PM
Sloukas game has regressed a lot. Practice is not enough, you have to play games as well.

JohnnieWalker
07-17-2010, 06:44 PM
Where does Pappas play? Which club has rights for him? As far, the best player here.
He is currently playing in Colossus Rhodes

about the game: our defense was great, especially on Croatian big names...
I too am thinking that maybe this was the real final... The game vs France or Spain might be a bit easier...

Dreamcatcher
07-17-2010, 06:45 PM
Bilbao has his rights. He plays for Kollosos Rhodos (on loan).

He can score at will at this level.

Thanks. It's quite strange, because greek player in Europe (except Greece) is a rare thing. And Pao, Oly missed the best youngster.

Dreamcatcher
07-17-2010, 06:47 PM
He is currently playing in Colossus Rhodes

about the game: our defense was great, especially on Croatian big names...
I too am thinking that maybe this was the real final... The game vs France or Spain might be a bit easier...
You would rather hadn't told it...

Markoishvili
07-17-2010, 06:47 PM
No surprise there, Greeks were much more tougher, organised, disciplined. Kurtovic was outcoached badly.

Papanikolau is great talent and while Pappas may be similar to Zisis, i think he will enyoj much better career since he is not affraid to take responsibilities.

On the other hand i am kind of a disappointed by the lack of progress shown by Prostran, Delas and Zubcic over the last year.

Ramljak has perhaps biggest potential, but he should move to Spain or some other powerful league were he would get better coaching than at Siroki.

washcloud
07-17-2010, 06:48 PM
The "all star game " finish was uncalled for though imo, no matter how talented you are ;)

Nah, what's good about these kids, is that they are all very down to earth, as personalities (ok maybe except Pappas :p). They simply enjoy playing their game, doesn't have to do with show-off (plus they probably wanted to just please the few Greeks at the audience).

Buk
07-17-2010, 06:48 PM
The problem with the Greek youngsters is not the lack of talent, but the lack of playing time. In this Greek NT only Pappas is getting some PT by his club.

Pappas plays in Kolossos Rhodes and is owned by Bilbao.
He played 17mins/game in A1 and scored 7.5pts/game.

From the others Papanikolaou ans Sloukas got some playing time in A1 (almost nothing in euroleague) but against weak opponents in the A1: 8mins/game and 2pts for Papanikolaou and 10.3mins and 4.5pts for Sloukas.

Mantzaris got some playing time in A1 with Peristeri too ==> 9.5mins and 3pts...
Giankovits too for Panionios... 8mins and 2pts...
Papantoniou about the same with AEK: 10mins and 2pts...
Kaselakis same thing 9mins 2pts in A1 with Ilysiakos.

Georgakis, Katsivelis and Karathanasis got plenty of playing time at Mantoulidis in third division (Katsivelis with great stats).

Mourtos DNP...

Only these 3 + Pappas had an impact role in their team, changing the course of games, beeing inside during important plays, and thats what you need to progress.

In greek press there was an article saying that Pappas told the other guys how much he progressed with Sfairopoulos as a coach in Kolossos so some of them would like to try it too... would be great...

CG
07-17-2010, 06:49 PM
Sloukas game has regressed a lot. Practice is not enough, you have to play games as well.

he needs time indeed and his game has been decreased by that.but you can see his potencial.
dont forget that during the season when OLY put him on the court for major time he played well.
its time Greek teams toremove garbage in order these players to getsome time

Minotavros
07-17-2010, 06:52 PM
Pappas plays in Kolossos Rhodes and is owned by Bilbao.
He played 17mins/game in A1 and scored 7.5pts/game.

From the others Papanikolaou ans Sloukas got some playing time in A1 (almost nothing in euroleague) but against weak opponents in the A1: 8mins/game and 2pts for Papanikolaou and 10.3mins and 4.5pts for Sloukas.

Mantzaris got some playing time in A1 with Peristeri too ==> 9.5mins and 3pts...
Giankovits too for Panionios... 8mins and 2pts...
Papantoniou about the same with AEK: 10mins and 2pts...
Kaselakis same thing 9mins 2pts in A1 with Ilysiakos.

Georgakis, Katsivelis and Karathanasis got plenty of playing time at Mantoulidis in third division (Katsivelis with great stats).

Mourtos DNP...

Only these 3 + Pappas had an impact role in their team, changing the course of games, beeing inside during important plays.

Garbage time

Buk
07-17-2010, 06:54 PM
Garbage time

Read my second to last sentence.

pohani komarac
07-17-2010, 07:04 PM
Congrats to Greeks, well deserved. They were simply smart to use our limitations in their advatage. On ofense they recognized Prostran terible defensive abilitys, while on defense they use Radosevic limitations to stop Delas. We played terible after Greeks adapdet after, no team game at all whille our only shooter Butorac couldn't hit anyhing. As usuall Kurtovic showed how limited coach he is, no plays at all, no timeing for time out, no time for substitusions, no recgnizing who should play at time and who to take out.

From Greeks I see Euroleague stars in Pappas and Papanikolau, and very good player Sarikopulos

koursaros7
07-17-2010, 07:16 PM
From Greeks I see Euroleague stars in Pappas and Papanikolau, and very good player Sarikopulos

Lets wait and see, because stars of junior level not always translate the same in senior level.

Pappas is exactly what zisis was at the same age... i hope pappas will become something better

Papanikolaou looks like a less athletic version of Khryapa to me

pohani komarac
07-17-2010, 07:26 PM
Lets wait and see, because stars of junior level not always translate the same in senior level.

Pappas is exactly what zisis was at the same age... i hope pappas will become something better

Papanikolaou looks like a less athletic version of Khryapa to me

i know, you could see today whay prostran senior carer won't be so highlighted.

papanikolau for euro basketball will bee better role player than chilldres if he continiue to work hard, i'm sure in that

chrisfiss
07-17-2010, 07:39 PM
The problem with the Greek youngsters is not the lack of talent, but the lack of playing time. In this Greek NT only Pappas is getting some PT by his club.

You can say that again. I am not making any comparisons here but I just realised that Sloukas, Pappas and Papanikolaou, which are currently the most promising players, are exactly the sama age with Rubio (1990). You realise the chaotic difference between the chances these players get. Rubio won silver medal in the olympic two years ago and if i remember correctly he played quite alot of time, and that is two years ago.

washcloud
07-17-2010, 07:55 PM
...the kid whose talent is getting most wasted, is the way I see it, Kasselakis.
He is way talented, strong enough already, and most of all he plays with "heart".

He however got almost no recognition since this team started to flourish.
Pity.

pohani komarac
07-17-2010, 07:59 PM
You can say that again. I am not making any comparisons here but I just realised that Sloukas, Pappas and Papanikolaou, which are currently the most promising players, are exactly the sama age with Rubio (1990). You realise the chaotic difference between the chances these players get. Rubio won silver medal in the olympic two years ago and if i remember correctly he played quite alot of time, and that is two years ago.

yes, but he is rubio, those guys are not. rubio is much bigger talent same as vesely then those guys. togh with more playing time they would be bit better, but not that much

chrisfiss
07-17-2010, 08:02 PM
yes, but he is rubio, those guys are not. rubio is much bigger talent same as vesely then those guys. togh with more playing time they would be bit better, but not that much

of course! that's why I said I am not making any comparisons here! And actually this shows how big and unique player Rubio is!

koursaros7
07-17-2010, 08:14 PM
i know, you could see today whay prostran senior carer won't be so highlighted.

papanikolau for euro basketball will bee better role player than chilldres if he continiue to work hard, i'm sure in that

Delas on the other hand will have a good career for sure ;)

Papanikolaou seriously resembles khryapa and his game to me.
He's very smart, good passer, hard-nosed defender, rebounder, hustler, blocker etc, the same all-around do-it-all game.
But he's less athletic and 5 cm's shorter and i'm not sure how good he'll handle guarding faster SF's and taller PF's in senior level.
Anyhow he's gonna be a very useful player to have.

koursaros7
07-17-2010, 08:15 PM
yes, but he is rubio, those guys are not. rubio is much bigger talent same as vesely then those guys. togh with more playing time they would be bit better, but not that much

Exactly. Rubio is the exception to the general rule, not the rule.

washcloud
07-17-2010, 08:19 PM
Pappas is exactly what zisis was at the same age... i hope pappas will become something better


Well I think he's more strong-willed than Zisis. I'd rather compare him more to Papaloukas

koursaros7
07-17-2010, 08:23 PM
...the kid whose talent is getting most wasted, is the way I see it, Kasselakis.
He is way talented, strong enough already, and most of all he plays with "heart".

He however got almost no recognition since this team started to flourish.
Pity.

I disagree. Kasselakis is one of these guys who look quite good in junior level, but won't translate in the senior level.
He's too short for a PF (around 198 cm) and he doesn't have any extraordinary athletic abilities to overcome that.
At this level its not a problem because he's stronger than most kids he plays against, but at senior level he won't be able to guard his position effectively.

washcloud
07-17-2010, 08:26 PM
Well I can't say much about his future (since he hasn't been getting chances to play at his club) - but I'm most certain that his "much" taller than the 1.98 that you said. If I'm not mistaken, he's at least 2.04....(or at least that's what I remember from last year's broadcasts)


Btw, what has ever happened to Giankovic? He gets "heavier" (in his game) year by year - or is it just me?

koursaros7
07-17-2010, 08:30 PM
Well I think he's more strong-willed than Zisis. I'd rather compare him more to Papaloukas

Papaloukas? they have totally different game, no resemblence at all.
If you don't like the comparison with zisis (although zisis was a lethal scorer at this level, most teams were guarding him with double teams back then) you can try Panagiotis Liadelis :p

koursaros7
07-17-2010, 08:34 PM
Well I can't say much about his future (since he hasn't been getting chances to play at his club) - but I'm most certain that his "much" taller than the 1.98 that you said. If I'm not mistaken, he's at least 2.04....(or at least that's what I remember from last year's broadcasts)

He's 3-4 cm's shorter from papanikolaou, and pap is 2.01 ;)

washcloud
07-17-2010, 08:37 PM
Papaloukas? they have totally different game, no resemblence at all.
If you don't like the comparison with zisis (although zisis was a lethal scorer at this level, most teams were guarding him with double teams back then) you can try Panagiotis Liadelis :p

What I meant with the comparison was that they both present leadership abilities and that they are "there when needed". Sure Teo is much more of a playmaker than Nikos is - yet I disagree with the "totally different game" : the both are "penetraters", no matter that they're rather short, they both use "clever" jump shots to evade blocks (not identical in style, I agree) and are effective from long distance as well......


Ah and they both play good defence, are "stealers" and tend to also go for the rebounds too...

washcloud
07-17-2010, 08:46 PM
He's 3-4 cm's shorter from papanikolaou, and pap is 2.01 ;)

...I thought I remembered right :p
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1108/sshot1f.jpg


(can't take any blame If he got shorter since last year though :D)
(...which would bring me back to my point that he's getting wasted at his club)

raph
07-17-2010, 09:02 PM
Well, here we are ^^.

ps : Anyone captured the poster from lacombe by chance ? :p

Victorious
07-17-2010, 09:24 PM
Congrats to France, will be a nice final to watch.

As for the talents. It's always difficult to tell who will become a star. Many guys like Tapoutos, Diamantopoulos etc. were unstopable at this level, while Papaloukas and Diamantidis were mediocore players. We 've seen a lot of talents come and go. Most of these players will fade away in the comming years and some may enter the spotlights five years from now. It could be so that Kaselakis or Giankovic turn out to be the best players.

washcloud
07-17-2010, 09:39 PM
Well, here we are ^^.

ps : Anyone captured the poster from lacombe by chance ? :p

...Well, I, captured some other kind of poster....:


http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7825/91677733.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/i/91677733.jpg/)

ip84
07-17-2010, 10:20 PM
This is weird!
The teams Greece, France and Spain totally changed, at least all the starts from the previous year are not there anymore, and yet the same final, the same favorite to win, and Spain although they are probably not the favorites to beat Croatia in Croatia, but still have a chance to win the bronze again.

I wish I would be able to see the Spain vs France from today.
I like Josep Franch (and he is not French but Spanish :D ) and it seemed that he had a good game even though his team lost.
If there is a torrent please let me know!
thanks!

washcloud
07-17-2010, 10:52 PM
This is weird!
The teams Greece, France and Spain totally changed, at least all the starts from the previous year are not there anymore,
Well at least as far as the Greek team goes, it's basically the same. The only substancial change was Sarikopoulos instead of Bogris.......
One can actually say that the core of the "youth of Greece", has remained more or less unchanged for 4 years now (2007-10).

ip84
07-18-2010, 06:08 AM
Well at least as far as the Greek team goes, it's basically the same. The only substancial change was Sarikopoulos instead of Bogris.......
One can actually say that the core of the "youth of Greece", has remained more or less unchanged for 4 years now (2007-10).
Thanks.

Oh, I assumed that Papanikolau wouldn't play for the U20 because he was already invited to the adult NT... my mistake.

Anyway, I knew the French and the Spanish squad well and about them I know for sure that their teams completely changed.

KWSN-Men
07-18-2010, 08:29 AM
Nah, what's good about these kids, is that they are all very down to earth, as personalities (ok maybe except Pappas :p). They simply enjoy playing their game, doesn't have to do with show-off (plus they probably wanted to just please the few Greeks at the audience).

Ahem, not all of them...

koursaros7
07-18-2010, 08:36 AM
Thanks.

Oh, I assumed that Papanikolau wouldn't play for the U20 because he was already invited to the adult NT... my mistake.

Anyway, I knew the French and the Spanish squad well and about them I know for sure that their teams completely changed.

Well, the greek core remained the same because last year they were younger than the other teams.
We participated with the '90 generation last year while the others were playing with the '89 generation that are over 20 and can't compete this summer ;)

Jackson, Diot, Aguilar, Rabaseda etc all belong to the '89 generation.

Practically, our U20 team last year was an U19 team :)

CG
07-18-2010, 08:54 AM
...the kid whose talent is getting most wasted, is the way I see it, Kasselakis.
He is way talented, strong enough already, and most of all he plays with "heart".

He however got almost no recognition since this team started to flourish.
Pity.

unfortunately for him, even if i agree with you,his body doesnt help him at all.
he is a trap SF body playing in PF position.
the guy needs to work hard in order to adapt as SF otherwise he wont make the career that his talent and heart promises him

washcloud
07-18-2010, 09:20 AM
I assumed that Papanikolau wouldn't play for the U20 because he was already invited to the adult NT
...as far as Papanikolaou goes, he was called for participation at only friendly matches and at the Acropolis tournament last year. He was not part of the roster at "official" games, like at the polish Eurobasket.

(Dunno however if he's been called for the oncoming Mundobasket)

washcloud
07-18-2010, 09:25 AM
Ahem, not all of them...

What do you mean, you mischievous serial killer you?
(how's it going man?)

KWSN-Men
07-18-2010, 09:42 AM
What do you mean, you mischievous serial killer you?
(how's it going man?)

Where's the bee?

Well, when a young player turn to the crowd and with signs tells them, "I have money, you guys are broke", I wouldn't call that down to earth...

washcloud
07-18-2010, 10:04 AM
unfortunately for him, even if i agree with you,his body doesnt help him at all.
he is a trap SF body playing in PF position.
the guy needs to work hard in order to adapt as SF otherwise he wont make the career that his talent and heart promises him

Well he's not that short, come on (I assume you meant his height). Plus, need I remind Charles Barkley's height ? :D
Seriously now however (since Barkley is an extra-terrestrial anyway:p), I think he's not "condemned" by bodily measure, Kaselakis. He can be quite useful at a team, either the national or some club, playing the double role of small forward/power forward. He's already proven that he IS able to do that, when needed. Even if we 're talking about youth teams. He has a very solid stature (quite promising for development too), not lazy at all, has versatility in his movements in the court, either with the ball or without it, he does have the intelligence to follow the game, he's an adequate pass and he does make good use of the passes that he's being given, has nice static and not only static shot, he's adequate from even the 3pt line, good with free throws and surely of the ones that do follow the ball so to get rebounds. In addition he's I think a very good choice for backing up centers. He actually...pays good tribute to his name (Leonidas), 'cause like the ancient Spartans, he does stick with his team-mates. He also is a very good ball handler. He can even easily dribble away even from point guards. And he actually kinda reminds me of Fanis Christodoulou a bit, only difference being that Fanis was a "3", trying to adapt to occasional needs for "4" - the exact opposite happens with Leonidas, but he too is an all-around asset.
I disagree that he has to try to become a clear "3". I do however agree that he needs to work his ass off, especially with the explosiveness required from small and power forwards, so that he gets chances at teams. I somehow however predict that this is not gonna happen, no matter the amount of work he's gonna put in. For some reason, his public relations do not seem to be as effective as they could...

I feel that if he were to be given a chance by some coach that trusted in him and took him under his wings, Kaselakis would make a quite decent career. Probably not first class status, 'cause he anyway isn't the "leader" type, but the "worker" rather - still he could be very useful to the national team in the years to come.

washcloud
07-18-2010, 10:07 AM
Where's the bee?

Well, when a young player turn to the crowd and with signs tells them, "I have money, you guys are broke", I wouldn't call that down to earth...

You caught me offguard here. Who are you (NOT :p) referring to...?


(the bee? the bee has flown a couple of years now..."where's the indian", would be more like it)

pohani komarac
07-18-2010, 12:39 PM
unfortunately for him, even if i agree with you,his body doesnt help him at all.
he is a trap SF body playing in PF position.
the guy needs to work hard in order to adapt as SF otherwise he wont make the career that his talent and heart promises him

no way! i remeber time when they tried to teach banic to play SF, they almost destroyed his carer untill jusup came back to zadar and let banic to play how he knows. he will make it if he has smatrs and heart

CG
07-18-2010, 01:49 PM
no way! i remeber time when they tried to teach banic to play SF, they almost destroyed his carer untill jusup came back to zadar and let banic to play how he knows. he will make it if he has smatrs and heart

lets hope then that as Washcloud say he is 2.04+and not 1.98-:D for his shake:D

washcloud
07-18-2010, 03:03 PM
lets hope then that as Washcloud say he is 2.04+and not 1.98-:D for his shake:D

Well I think that 1.98 is referred as at Fiba's site.
But if you check, most players are referred shorter than we see them being referred at tv broadcasts. I guess it's simply cause Fiba hasn't been updating the data : a dead giveaway is the clubs mentioned (for example, Papanikolaou is mentioned to be playing for Trikala). So those heights there are probably from when they were younger and they first registered with Fiba.

pohani komarac
07-18-2010, 04:09 PM
lets hope then that as Washcloud say he is 2.04+and not 1.98-:D for his shake:D

marko banic is also somwere about 199-201, but he is listed as 204. very usuall thing for players undersized for their position

you can see here him in this video after 5,23 next to dario saric who is listed 203-204 that he is shorter 3-4 cm than him, and i'm prety sure dario is at the momet 204-205 at the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFHDGCHK2eI

banic, milojevic, reyes all made it even if they were hevily udersized because they had brain and heart

pohani komarac
07-18-2010, 07:16 PM
congrats to spain, they deserved win. frach and mirotic are by far most talented players i saw here

washcloud
07-18-2010, 07:42 PM
Looks like Greece is heading for the first loss...........and a disastrous one too...
Damn.

The French seem to be much more energetic and powerful

koursaros7
07-18-2010, 07:43 PM
goaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal! :D

our offense is disastrous today :p

Psofimis
07-18-2010, 07:50 PM
goaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal! :D

our offense is disastrous today :p

and theirs is our disaster...

washcloud
07-18-2010, 07:51 PM
Our players are totally out of sync.
If they don't focus and manage to get the difference below double digits before halftime, it's gonna be a ridicule the final score.
Right now they're playing in panic (and the French are scoring from everywhere).

raph
07-18-2010, 07:52 PM
Seriously, it's far from being over (especially considering papanikolaou's second halves in general)

Weird game though, looks like the less stressed team made the first impact. The most surprising for me being your defense, our players can drive almost freely and not many greek "punish" them.

Our players want to win to honor the memory of jonathan bourhis though, who died in a car crash in the beginning of this season. He was one of the leader for this generation, and one of our most promising prospect.

koursaros7
07-18-2010, 07:53 PM
Well deserved for the french :)

Great defense and good shooting night for them

We play our worst game in then tournament by far

Psofimis
07-18-2010, 07:59 PM
Damn the cheerleaders are hot.I dont blame the greek players anymore for not focusing...

washcloud
07-18-2010, 08:05 PM
Seriously, it's far from being over (especially considering papanikolaou's second halves in general).

A 20 point deficit at halftime is no joke. Whatsmore, the French mean business, it's not just a lucky streak that they're having.
Unless your players return all seasick from the locker room, I just don't see how they can lose this game :p

I just hope our team will simply do their best to avoid vilification. Ι'd hate that their last game as a bunch of players that have been through thick and thin for 4 years now, is gonna be their worst ever. They do not deserve that. They'd better make some hell of a comeback and at least fall with a dignifying score, not some 30-40 points difference

raph
07-18-2010, 08:05 PM
Well, keep in mind that we don't fight to avoid spain this time :D

koursaros7
07-18-2010, 08:06 PM
Damn the cheerleaders are hot.I dont blame the greek players anymore for not focusing...

:D

All of our players are in a terrible shooting night... ALL of them
Oh, pappas looks like zisis tonight :p

I can't see how this game can turn around, french hitting 3-pointers consistently wherever they need them, greeks can't hit a single shot...

it looks like its already finished

washcloud
07-18-2010, 08:19 PM
Damn the cheerleaders are hot.I dont blame the greek players anymore for not focusing...

...that's no excuse for me - but I do agree that especially this babe

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/840/shot0001x.png

is smoking :p

washcloud
07-18-2010, 08:23 PM
Hah as if the defeat isn't enough, the referee plays with our nerves :mad:

koursaros7
07-18-2010, 08:27 PM
cheerleaders are great :cool:

Psofimis
07-18-2010, 08:29 PM
...that's no excuse for me - but i do agree that especially this babe

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/840/shot0001x.png

is smoking :p

mvp!mvp!mvp

Khalid80
07-18-2010, 08:30 PM
I registered in FIBA.com hoping to watch an exciting final match and what do I get!
Greece getting their "kolos" kicked by the French to the sound of vuvuzelas :D

At least I get to watch the cheerleaders in action though :cool:

washcloud
07-18-2010, 08:33 PM
It's both the French winning it and us losing it allright - but the referee is also making ridiculous calls (or playing dumb). I'd gladly punch him in the face if I was in the court :mad:

koursaros7
07-18-2010, 08:35 PM
sloukas reminds me a famous greek turnover machine tonight :D

washcloud
07-18-2010, 08:40 PM
Ohhhhhhh he gave a foul goal! Finally he did!

Ah and the travelling!

koursaros7
07-18-2010, 08:44 PM
3-pointers should be banned :p

washcloud
07-18-2010, 08:44 PM
raph, your percentage at 3 pt FGs starts getting on my nerves more than the referee :D

washcloud
07-18-2010, 08:50 PM
Kaselaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakarosssss!!!!!:D

Khalid80
07-18-2010, 08:56 PM
Now this is more like it :D. 6 point difference in 1:21 minutes is doable for Elatha even though it's still far fetched.

koursaros7
07-18-2010, 08:57 PM
As twism would suggest you can't win a game with just one 3-pointer in the whole game while your opponent shoots over 50% :p

washcloud
07-18-2010, 08:59 PM
At least they made that comeback and they lessened the point difference...
Good job by the French

Picek
07-18-2010, 09:00 PM
It's both the French winning it and us losing it allright - but the referee is also making ridiculous calls (or playing dumb). I'd gladly punch him in the face if I was in the court :mad:you should really avoid outbursts like this..
refs had nothing to do with this final result..
if anything they had a perfect game..
you should focus your frustration on to someone/something else..

koursaros7
07-18-2010, 09:03 PM
Well deserved for the french.

the game was quite horrible to watch for a final game, but they deserved the win more than the greeks.
Bad night for us, the point difference could be broader with such a horrible shooting percentage.

raph
07-18-2010, 09:03 PM
amazing performance, i seriously dont think a lot of french would have bet on our team, especially after the games against slovenia (lol) or croatia.

And winning the finale against this golden greek team is really a big time accomplishment.

Speaking of our team, lacombe (asvel), lang (chalon), tanghe (former dijon, now roanne), albicy (paris) and leonard (cholet) are prolly the most promising ones, we will see for kahudi (le mans) and couple more who are 91's.

1st gold in -20 for france btw.

Khalid80
07-18-2010, 09:05 PM
Congrats for the French on the well deserved win and better luck for Greece in other games. Truth be told Greece played like crap and deserved the loss in this match.

Jon_Koncak
07-18-2010, 09:07 PM
Last year's France u20 was about 20 times better team with some real "studs" but this version gets the gold.C'est la vie i guess.Still it makes for a nice story takin into consideration the loss of Bourhis

washcloud
07-18-2010, 09:08 PM
you should really avoid outbursts like this..
refs had nothing to do with this final result..
if anything they had a perfect game..
you should focus your frustration on to someone/something else..

Come on man, read the 1st line : the French were winning it throughout the game, and we were losing it at the same time. I didn't claim it was the referee that was responsible for the result at any stage of the game. He (they?) however were terrible at moments. That includes some calls against the French as well. Bad calls simply make it worse (and I'm speaking of outspoken ones). Did you take notice of Papanikolaou's bahaviour at moments? Well it wasn't just because of the French's impecable shooting (don't make me think that you're bitter 'cause our team deprived yours of the final...)

washcloud
07-18-2010, 09:26 PM
the game was quite horrible to watch for a final game

Well we lost allright, but I still preferred it to a 51-50 win of "control basket".
The French kicked the asses of our kids and that was sad to watch - yet maybe this is a good chance to get a good lesson about their future careers : having talent most of the times isn't enough - one also needs to be stable and fight at every given moment.

washcloud
07-18-2010, 09:36 PM
amazing performance



1st gold in -20 for france btw.

Congrats to your team, they had a flawless 1st half. They were playing like true winners. Exquisite passing game - no matter that it was speedy as hell.


My only complaint 'd be your run-and-gunning 3 pointers. I mean come on, it's a final for God's sake, have some mercy and lose a couple, next time :p

pohani komarac
07-18-2010, 09:49 PM
Congrats to France. It seems they like Zadar. In 2000 they won gold at U18 championship, generation of T. Parker, B. Diaw, M. Pietrus, R. Turiaf and Y. Diawara

g.g
07-19-2010, 11:17 AM
Well done to France, the better team on the night won the game......it seemed France players had a spirit from above guiding their balls in as they improved their shooting stats by 20%-30% on the final!!!

On the other hand as a bb lover I feel CHEATEDthat Papas was not awarded the MVP of the tournament. Whoever decided this should be ashamed.

washcloud
07-19-2010, 11:47 AM
On the other hand as a bb lover I feel CHEATEDthat Papas was not awarded the MVP of the tournament. Whoever decided this should be ashamed.

...like i said last night, it seemed that there was something in the air that the Greek team's presence wasn't all that appreciated at Zadar.
Like in the air also was "Hit The Road Jack (and don't you come back no more)"....In the air of the Cosic Arena, through the sound system, during halftime...Hmmmmmmmmmmm......

g.g
07-19-2010, 12:43 PM
...like i said last night, it seemed that there was something in the air that the Greek team's presence wasn't all that appreciated at Zadar.
Like in the air also was "Hit The Road Jack (and don't you come back no more)"....In the air of the Cosic Arena, through the sound system, during halftime...Hmmmmmmmmmmm......Tell me about It! 0h..and few other things that need mentioning.....
A. During the first quarter the refs were playing 70-30 to France! The French players were playing rather "football" defence fouling constantly and more and more as the time was passing with the "allowance" of the refs! I have not problem with that (am Greek after all), but only if the refs keep on the same level for the other side. But it was not the case at all. As a result France (the hard defending team) was awarded 7 free throws on the first quarter while Greece none!!Q!!!

B. During the French national anthem at the medal awards ceremony the French players lay on the floor having 2000-3000 people standing up around the arena. Quite disgrace really. If they do not respect their national anthem or flag they should at least respect the few thousand French and non French people in the arena standing up.........but hey, I must getting seriously old grumbing all the time!!
x:D:rolleyes::cool:

....and because I do know this forum well, before I get misunderstood I must say that I love France and if I wasn't Greek, I would had been honoured to be French......Viva la France

Picek
07-19-2010, 12:56 PM
On the other hand as a bb lover I feel CHEATEDthat Papas was not awarded the MVP of the tournament. Whoever decided this should be ashamed.
and why is that?
Pappas - 22 pts, 4,77 rebs, 1,66 asists, 2,33 steals
Albicy - 12,3 pts, 2,89 rebs, 5,88 asists, 3,11 steals

Pappas lead the tournament in scoring, Albicy in asists and steals..
Albicy's team won the gold with , Pappas couldn't lead his team to the gold..
why should anyone be ashamed?
fair and normal decision..
just as it would have been normal for Pappas to get it if Greece had taken the gold..


Tell me about It! 0h..and few other things that need mentioning.....
A. During the first quarter the refs were playing 70-30 to France! The French players were playing rather "football" defence fouling constantly and more and more as the time was passing with the "allowance" of the refs! I have not problem with that (am Greek after all), but only if the refs keep on the same level for the other side. But it was not the case at all. As a result France (the hard defending team) was awarded 7 free throws on the first quarter while Greece none!!Q!!!
lol, you are a funny guy..
so France won because they had 7 free throws in first quarter and Greece had none?
Greece had 35 free throws in remaining three quarters, France had 10.. so?
France won fair and square..
in a three game series Greece would probably win the series but they got beaten fair and square yesterday..
France played two of it's best games on the tournament when it mattered the most..
semifinal and the final..
and unfortunately, going undefeated through tournament meant little for Greece when it mattered the most..

pohani komarac
07-19-2010, 02:09 PM
Well done to France, the better team on the night won the game......it seemed France players had a spirit from above guiding their balls in as they improved their shooting stats by 20%-30% on the final!!!

On the other hand as a bb lover I feel CHEATEDthat Papas was not awarded the MVP of the tournament. Whoever decided this should be ashamed.

or maybe mvp award went to player from team that won gold:rolleyes: and besides even stojko vrakovic was giving trophys, i'm prety sure that fiba was one who choose award winers

best 5:
albicy, pappas, papanikolau, delas, mirotic-defenetley there was something in air against greeks:rolleyes:

CG
07-19-2010, 02:38 PM
congratulations to France
won fairly
medal is a medal and i think the Greek NT was succesfull even if they didnt win the competition
now its time those kids to become men

g.g
07-19-2010, 04:15 PM
or maybe mvp award went to player from team that won gold:rolleyes: and besides even stojko vrakovic was giving trophys, i'm prety sure that fiba was one who choose award winers

best 5:
albicy, pappas, papanikolau, delas, mirotic-defenetley there was something in air against greeks:rolleyes:I would have feel cheated as well if Delas would not win the MPV last year in Greece....He did and well done, and Croatia was not even at the final......

I am not criticizing Croatia here as I agree with you that it was most likely FIBA and should be ASHAMED......:mad:

g.g
07-19-2010, 04:41 PM
and why is that?
Pappas - 22 pts, 4,77 rebs, 1,66 asists, 2,33 steals
Albicy - 12,3 pts, 2,89 rebs, 5,88 asists, 3,11 steals

Pappas lead the tournament in scoring, Albicy in asists and steals..
Albicy's team won the gold with , Pappas couldn't lead his team to the gold..
why should anyone be ashamed?
fair and normal decision..
just as it would have been normal for Pappas to get it if Greece had taken the gold..

lol, you are a funny guy..
so France won because they had 7 free throws in first quarter and Greece had none?
Greece had 35 free throws in remaining three quarters, France had 10.. so?
France won fair and square..
in a three game series Greece would probably win the series but they got beaten fair and square yesterday..
France played two of it's best games on the tournament when it mattered the most..
semifinal and the final..
and unfortunately, going undefeated through tournament meant little for Greece when it mattered the most..NOBODY said that France did not win fair and square....as I said "the best team on the night won"...however I hope am funny just as much as you are Bias....

Regarding Albicy being most valuable player than Papas I think you were watching the wrong tournament.........either that or trying to convince us that the moon outshines the sun!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::p

GV13
07-19-2010, 05:03 PM
None of this MVP stuff or winning team really matters. As long as we have teams and players who are regularly in the top 5 at the youth level, then Greece increase its pool of players of which some may get picked for the national men's team . What really matters is getting these players to actually get some playing time and develop their skills and confidence. Let's be honest, apart from Pappas and Mantzaris (to a lesser extent), the rest of the guys just sat on the bench. Imagine if they actually played....may be they would have reacted better to that 1st half 20-0 by the french. It took them 20mins to react and it was too late (and too much effort) to come back.

Our u-18 team is nowhere near as good, but I don't really care that much. Linos Chrysikopoulos is all that matters. Getting him to play, improve and hopefully develop in to something good - that kid is not only talented, but has this thing that most Greeks lack - athleticism and looooooooong arms! Oh and he's tall too.

rikhardur
07-19-2010, 05:04 PM
Although we might disagree, the MVP usually belongs to the winning team.
Anyway, congrats to France, hope to watch the game later.

g.g
07-19-2010, 05:07 PM
None of this MVP stuff or winning team really matters. As long as we have teams and players who are regularly in the top 5 at the youth level, then Greece increase its pool of players of which some may get picked for the national men's team . What really matters is getting these players to actually get some playing time and develop their skills and confidence. Let's be honest, apart from Pappas and Mantzaris (to a lesser extent), the rest of the guys just sat on the bench. Imagine if they actually played....may be they would have reacted better to that 1st half 20-0 by the french. It took them 20mins to react and it was too late (and too much effort) to come back.

Our u-18 team is nowhere near as good, but I don't really care that much. Linos Chrysikopoulos is all that matters. Getting him to play, improve and hopefully develop in to something good - that kid is not only talented, but has this thing that most Greeks lack - athleticism and looooooooong arms! Oh and he's tall too.It may not matter to you but it does matter to me as I said I feel cheated. ;)

Picek
07-19-2010, 05:25 PM
Regarding Albicy being most valuable player than Papas I think you were watching the wrong tournament.........either that or trying to convince us that the moon outshines the sun!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::pgreat explanation..
you really told me.. :rolleyes:
tell me why would you pick him over Albicy?

g.g
07-19-2010, 05:56 PM
great explanation..
you really told me.. :rolleyes:
tell me why would you pick him over Albicy?Is it because Papas was BY FAR the BEST PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT? or is it because he was the TOP scorer of the tournament scoring almost double than Albicy? He totally outclasses Albicy in the two most important stats; points and rebounds..........

I suggest Picek you leave this subject.....you simply sound bias and reticulate yourself:p

Paul Nilsen
07-19-2010, 06:46 PM
Pappas is a class act. He led the team well and I enjoyed talking to him throughout the tournament.

Having watched both teams courtside I have to say that the influence and performance of Albicy were bigger or should I say more important to his team and the outcome of this tournament.

In the early games when France were mis-firing he got the game winning steals. When times were tough he found the assist. I think he averaged close to 6 assists.

Pappas performance was good and he scored a lot of points. I was also impressed with his rebounding but you only get so much with numbers in any category.

For me, it was the overall influence and leadership of Albicy. France were more of a limited team but Albicy realy did set the tone. Critically he also did it in the big game when it mattered.

I take my hat off in admiration of Pappas who can probably have a much bigger career and is probably the better player. It will be interesting to watch and see if the pair have a re-match.

Cheers

ps - the two most important stats for me for PG's by the way is assists and steals but that is only my opinion of course :D

the_black_planet
07-19-2010, 07:04 PM
Didn't watch the final,watched Albicy in the semi-final and I think he deserved the MVP award.As Paul Nilseb stated,he was the maestro,the general of the French team,he controled the tempo great and he lead his team to play fast but wise as well.Pappas was the best scorer of the tournament 0while Albicy was first in assists.The 1st is a SG while the latter is a PG.They both performed great but France won the gold and that's the big difference,also I heard that Pappas didn't have a good game in the final,it wasn't his fault actually,he really struggled but French defence was guarding him very hard and we gave the ball all the time to him,the coach didn't have a b-plan and that hurt us a lot.That's what I heard,I say again.Also it was a big fault by Costas Missas(but the truth probably is that he was ordered to do so by Vassilakopoulos)to have no team rotation at all,the big 3,Papanikolaou,Sloukas and Pappas played 35-40 minutes in all games,and there were many games that we won easily and the other against Serbia that we didn't have interest to win...So in the final they were tired but it's not only for that,in youth competitions you shouldn't care only for the gold.But for Vassilakopoulos it's more important to have the exposure of the media...

Picek
07-19-2010, 07:22 PM
Is it because Papas was BY FAR the BEST PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT? or is it because he was the TOP scorer of the tournament scoring almost double than Albicy? He totally outclasses Albicy in the two most important stats; points and rebounds..........

I suggest Picek you leave this subject.....you simply sound bias and reticulate yourself:pyes, for a combo guard rebounds are the most important statistics..
[Unnecessary: deleted] you are watching the wrong sport..
FAR the best player.. according to who? you?
if you say it then it must be the case..
and scoring almost double points..
wow.. great accomplishment..
Otverchenko scored 50% more points then Albicy..
is he the second best player of the competition?

washcloud
07-19-2010, 07:34 PM
Tell me about It! 0h..and few other things that need mentioning.....
[spoiler]
A. During the first quarter the refs were playing 70-30 to France! The French players were playing rather "football" defence fouling constantly and more and more as the time was passing with the "allowance" of the refs! I have not problem with that (am Greek after all), but only if the refs keep on the same level for the other side. But it was not the case at all. As a result France (the hard defending team) was awarded 7 free throws on the first quarter while Greece none!!Q!!!

B. During the French national anthem at the medal awards ceremony the French players lay on the floor having 2000-3000 people standing up around the arena. Quite disgrace really. If they do not respect their national anthem or flag they should at least respect the few thousand French and non French people in the arena standing up.........but hey, I must getting seriously old grumbing all the time!!
x:D:rolleyes::cool:

....and because I do know this forum well, before I get misunderstood I must say that I love France and if I wasn't Greek, I would had been honoured to be French......Viva la France


Well I too am getting old and grumpy and I'm a dishearted Greek after all because of last night's game (I've really been and still am too fond of these kids throught their presence in youth teams - not just 'cause they won medals, but 'cause they were playing good enough to do so, and they proved that to the world last year as silver medalists at the Mundobasket in New Zealand) (and as everybody knows we Greeks ARE moaners :ρ) so I do agree with you about the referees' calls.
It wasn't of course the referees' doing that made our team look as if it was their first important international game (they seemed as if they didn't know what hit them from around 5' to 25') and the French played an amazing passing/transition game at the 1st half, were very athletic, performed a very solid defense and of course were impecable with shots, either if it was free throws or field goals, and of course 3 pointers.
However there were times that they either gave LAME calls against our players or let the game go on when they should have given fouls (like at a couple of fast breaks or penetrations - and I'd say especially Sloukas was affected by this). It was already that the French started forming an unsettling difference, and such calls didn't of course do much good at our teams' psychology - how could it?
At moments the referees made the exact opposite as well : they gave wrong calls (or just didn't do anything while they should, like at a moment that Albicy was on the floor, probably being fouled down by Mantzaris, trying to salvage the ball, and Sarikopoulos KICKS it to Papanikolaou, rather intentionally too probably...The refs were all spread and positioned at the right angles, meaning they had a very clear view of the scene, but none reacted to it...). They overall "favoured" the French team however.
I can't really make heads or tails of those refs : it isn't clear to me if they were simply inappropriate ones, if they were biased in some fashion - or were they maybe both...? Cause on one hand they didn't make so-called "surgical" calls (which would include calling less outspoken situations against the French). This however would mean that they simply were bad for the task. Which on the other hand would mean calling them 50-50. Unless it was one of them that was doing fishy stuff - but I didn't focus that much on who was calling what.......

Yesterday I simply felt that they were simply despicable at times, and their calls didn't make that much difference. Today however, I'm thinking that had they been more fair to the Greek team, maybe the outcome of the game would have been another one...? After all, it was still a couple of minutes before the end of the game, and our team managed to lessen the deficit down to FIVE points......What if some calls hadn't been the wrong ones that they were? Or if they did call some ones that they didn't care to call at all...? If it was a tied score, and there were still 2 or 3 minutes to play, maybe the outcome WOULD have been different...Maybe they would have been under a totally different psychological status, and they wouldn't have done the last minute's mistakes that they did - or would have even played better defense (it was that last 3 pointer that completely disheartened them).
Then again, maybe it could have been the same, or even worse for our team - nobody knows how it would have developed.

So my conclusion is, yes, our team screwed up at the first half, yes the French were maybe lucky with those 3 pointers (while the Greek team was UNlucky with 3s), but they also played quick and consistent basketball, for the most part of the game, which all sums up to they deserved the win - YET it's that referees thorn that keeps twisting in my side. It wouldn't have mattered to me if our team lost but I had nothing to say for the refs. After all the French did play well, it's not like the Greek team were just having a bad day (as far as the offense goes, it was the defense of the French that did its job, 'cause our players did try. While they didn't do as much as they could and should for their defense, in general).


I still also think that not granting Pappas the MVP was uncalled for. Like you said, and I thought the same too, they did give it to Dellas last year (it was at the NZ Mundobasket, not at Rhodes : Papanikolaou got the MVP award there...) even though his team got the BRONZE, and they gave it to Motiejunas in 2008 (that was the one at Greece) , no matter that Lithuania lost the final to our team.....So much then for the claim that the MVP award goes to somebody of the gold winning team...
Does it make that much difference? Pappas WAS formidable throught this year's tournament, and nothing can change that - it's just the sour taste for the recognition that he didn't get, that stays. 'Cause all things said, he WAS the one to be said to be getting it, throughout the tournament....




I'd only disagree with you, on the matter of the national anthem : they could do as they please, sit down, stand up, sing along or not - whatever.

pohani komarac
07-19-2010, 07:52 PM
I would have feel cheated as well if Delas would not win the MPV last year in Greece....He did and well done, and Croatia was not even at the final......

I am not criticizing Croatia here as I agree with you that it was most likely FIBA and should be ASHAMED......:mad:

new zeland

blame on croatian comunity there:p

i don't know for fiba world, but i think fiba europe few years ago decided that mvp-s can come only from team that won title (from eurobasket 2007. i think), but i'm not 100% sure in that

anway i do agree that pappas was best performer trough tournament

washcloud
07-19-2010, 07:56 PM
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so France won because they had 7 free throws in first quarter and Greece had none?
Greece had 35 free throws in remaining three quarters, France had 10.. so?


...so another reading "of the numbers" could perfectly be that our players did less fouls (...which btw could ALSO read that our defense wasn't effective enough).

The thing however is
a) the fouls that were given did some damage to an extend
b) the fould that were NOT given were damaging enough as well.

Have you ever played under referees? If you have, hasn't it been disheartening to you, when the opponent was strong, and apart from that you had to deal with bad calls...?

washcloud
07-19-2010, 08:00 PM
new zeland

blame on croatian comunity there:p

i don't know for fiba world, but i think fiba europe few years ago decided that mvp-s can come only from team that won title (from eurobasket 2007. i think), but i'm not 100% sure in that

anway i do agree that pappas was best performer trough tournament

I corrected him too just before your post.
However, I've corrected you as well,,,beforehand : what you said abt FIBA does not go. The example being Motiejunas in 2008 (U18 tournament at Greece).

washcloud
07-19-2010, 08:04 PM
or maybe mvp award went to player from team that won gold:rolleyes: and besides even stojko vrakovic was giving trophys, i'm prety sure that fiba was one who choose award winers

best 5:
albicy, pappas, papanikolau, delas, mirotic-defenetley there was something in air against greeks:rolleyes:

...come on, if they didn't get included in the best 5, it would have meant war :ρ

(and don't tell me that either you liked the "Jack" song during halftime or that you didn't notice. I didn't - and I...did)

washcloud
07-19-2010, 08:13 PM
yes, for a combo guard rebounds are the most important statistics..
you are either an idiot or a fool or you are watching the wrong sport..
FAR the best player.. according to who? you?
if you say it then it must be the case..
and scoring almost double points..
wow.. great accomplishment..
Otverchenko scored 50% more points then Albicy..
is he the second best player of the competition?

Well that's not a very nice attitude, but what the heck, it wasn't aimed at me.

...It also wasn't referring to me, the "importance" of assists vs the one of the rebounds, but here's something to take into consideration : the assist passes, is a rather controversial stat. 'Cause it's highly subjective the usefulness of an assist pass (example being going on a fast break, I give you the ball, you dunk, you make a hero of yourself to the eyes of the audience, and I add up to my stats....), or, as it also is called, a "final pass". It also btw is controversial to whether an assist pass is,,,,,,,or is NOT.


...Compare that now to the importance of getting possession of the ball after a missed shot.

Picek
07-19-2010, 08:41 PM
Have you ever played under referees? If you have, hasn't it been disheartening to you, when the opponent was strong, and apart from that you had to deal with bad calls...?
yes..
but there is a difference between "refs stole" the win from us and refs did acouple of mistakes..
and there is nothing pointing out the win was stolen.
and the only two guys speaking about the refs are you and that other g-string or what is his nickname.
opponent was strong, played harder and was punished for that because refs gave 18 FT more to the opponent..
what would you want more?
the way you are saying it is that France was kicking and punching and that they got away from it..
and that would be very misleading to someone who didn't watch the game and is just reading your comments..
why do you have problems admitting Greece got beat fair and square..
like I said before, in a 2 or three games series Greece would have come out as a winner because they are usually a better team..
they weren't that yesterday..
and it wasn't because of the refs..
and with France winning it, Albicy got his reward deservedly so..
Pappas would have to be so much more better to take it with "only" silver around his neck..
and he arguably wasn't that..
leave it be..

washcloud
07-19-2010, 09:02 PM
Picek, no.
I've seen teams getting away with kicking and punching, and no, France wasn't doing that, yesterday. They HAVE however been playing a tough defense (penetration into the paint was almost impossible, not only for our guards, but even for our tall and heavy players). Yet even normal fouls can deprive the opponent of even a victory, if not given - wouldn't you say so?

Anyway, it looks like you want it to rest in peace - while it's obvious that me (and that other Greek) do feel differently.
The way I see it, you look at the game kinda "superficially" : you're ok with the result, 'cause you did see the French running like devils, scoring like demons, and defending like hell. Up to some point, you're right abt it too.
Yet what I'm saying (and the other guy too) is that there was more to it than met the eye.
And like I already said, I'm sure abt this, since today I did realize that I took it quite easily yesterday - the issue with the refs.

And to put it somewhat differently than you did - somebody that did not see the final, is maybe now gonna have an insentive to download and watch it more carefully, after me and g.g. yapping abt it....
And maybe will grant us those reasonable doubts abt the amount of fairness of the CALLS of the game. Cause I already stated one too many times that the French WERE worthy players of a victory.

g.g
07-19-2010, 09:07 PM
Pappas is a class act. He led the team well and I enjoyed talking to him throughout the tournament.

Having watched both teams courtside I have to say that the influence and performance of Albicy were bigger or should I say more important to his team and the outcome of this tournament.

In the early games when France were mis-firing he got the game winning steals. When times were tough he found the assist. I think he averaged close to 6 assists.

Pappas performance was good and he scored a lot of points. I was also impressed with his rebounding but you only get so much with numbers in any category.

For me, it was the overall influence and leadership of Albicy. France were more of a limited team but Albicy realy did set the tone. Critically he also did it in the big game when it mattered.

I take my hat off in admiration of Pappas who can probably have a much bigger career and is probably the better player. It will be interesting to watch and see if the pair have a re-match.

Cheers

ps - the two most important stats for me for PG's by the way is assists and steals but that is only my opinion of course :DI hope you are not one of those that voted for Albicy mvp because the whole issue is more like a bad joke and the people who vote for it should have a break from bb as can only be described either as bias or unworthy for the sport.....
Papas is the leader or within the leaders in almost every stat category of the tournament while Albicy is not even in the first page in most of them (why dont you take 5min to have a look for yourself)

Are you sure that you believe that the most important stats are assists and steal? Do you want to sleep over it?

Papas was THE STAR of this tournament and his WELL DESERVED title was stolen from him.

g.g
07-19-2010, 09:12 PM
yes, for a combo guard rebounds are the most important statistics..
[Unnecessary: deleted] you are watching the wrong sport..
FAR the best player.. according to who? you?
if you say it then it must be the case..
and scoring almost double points..
wow.. great accomplishment..
Otverchenko scored 50% more points then Albicy..
is he the second best player of the competition?[Unnecessary: deleted]
Shame because the great majority of Croatians in this forum are very good and know their bb......

g.g
07-19-2010, 09:20 PM
Well I too am getting old and grumpy and I'm a dishearted Greek after all because of last night's game (I've really been and still am too fond of these kids throught their presence in youth teams - not just 'cause they won medals, but 'cause they were playing good enough to do so, and they proved that to the world last year as silver medalists at the Mundobasket in New Zealand) (and as everybody knows we Greeks ARE moaners :ρ) so I do agree with you about the referees' calls.
It wasn't of course the referees' doing that made our team look as if it was their first important international game (they seemed as if they didn't know what hit them from around 5' to 25') and the French played an amazing passing/transition game at the 1st half, were very athletic, performed a very solid defense and of course were impecable with shots, either if it was free throws or field goals, and of course 3 pointers.
However there were times that they either gave LAME calls against our players or let the game go on when they should have given fouls (like at a couple of fast breaks or penetrations - and I'd say especially Sloukas was affected by this). It was already that the French started forming an unsettling difference, and such calls didn't of course do much good at our teams' psychology - how could it?
At moments the referees made the exact opposite as well : they gave wrong calls (or just didn't do anything while they should, like at a moment that Albicy was on the floor, probably being fouled down by Mantzaris, trying to salvage the ball, and Sarikopoulos KICKS it to Papanikolaou, rather intentionally too probably...The refs were all spread and positioned at the right angles, meaning they had a very clear view of the scene, but none reacted to it...). They overall "favoured" the French team however.
I can't really make heads or tails of those refs : it isn't clear to me if they were simply inappropriate ones, if they were biased in some fashion - or were they maybe both...? Cause on one hand they didn't make so-called "surgical" calls (which would include calling less outspoken situations against the French). This however would mean that they simply were bad for the task. Which on the other hand would mean calling them 50-50. Unless it was one of them that was doing fishy stuff - but I didn't focus that much on who was calling what.......

Yesterday I simply felt that they were simply despicable at times, and their calls didn't make that much difference. Today however, I'm thinking that had they been more fair to the Greek team, maybe the outcome of the game would have been another one...? After all, it was still a couple of minutes before the end of the game, and our team managed to lessen the deficit down to FIVE points......What if some calls hadn't been the wrong ones that they were? Or if they did call some ones that they didn't care to call at all...? If it was a tied score, and there were still 2 or 3 minutes to play, maybe the outcome WOULD have been different...Maybe they would have been under a totally different psychological status, and they wouldn't have done the last minute's mistakes that they did - or would have even played better defense (it was that last 3 pointer that completely disheartened them).
Then again, maybe it could have been the same, or even worse for our team - nobody knows how it would have developed.

So my conclusion is, yes, our team screwed up at the first half, yes the French were maybe lucky with those 3 pointers (while the Greek team was UNlucky with 3s), but they also played quick and consistent basketball, for the most part of the game, which all sums up to they deserved the win - YET it's that referees thorn that keeps twisting in my side. It wouldn't have mattered to me if our team lost but I had nothing to say for the refs. After all the French did play well, it's not like the Greek team were just having a bad day (as far as the offense goes, it was the defense of the French that did its job, 'cause our players did try. While they didn't do as much as they could and should for their defense, in general).


I still also think that not granting Pappas the MVP was uncalled for. Like you said, and I thought the same too, they did give it to Dellas last year (it was at the NZ Mundobasket, not at Rhodes : Papanikolaou got the MVP award there...) even though his team got the BRONZE, and they gave it to Motiejunas in 2008 (that was the one at Greece) , no matter that Lithuania lost the final to our team.....So much then for the claim that the MVP award goes to somebody of the gold winning team...
Does it make that much difference? Pappas WAS formidable throught this year's tournament, and nothing can change that - it's just the sour taste for the recognition that he didn't get, that stays. 'Cause all things said, he WAS the one to be said to be getting it, throughout the tournament....




I'd only disagree with you, on the matter of the national anthem : they could do as they please, sit down, stand up, sing along or not - whatever.You are a star, right on! And as I said many times the French DID deserved the win as they were the best team on the night but I truly believe that the refs played a part as well.;)

washcloud
07-19-2010, 09:33 PM
Papas was THE STAR of this tournament and his WELL DESERVED title was stolen from him.
...come on you too now man...

MVP is just an honorary title, and subjective factors decide who's it gonna go to- by default. I mean it goes down to who they like, the ones that decide abt it.
(Ok they do take into account stats and all, but it's still subjective)


It's not like as if we're talking about soemthing "measurable", like the score of a game : the winner is the one that has +1 point at the end, no matter if he's been the better one or not.

So don't use terms like "stealing", it's too much (I bet not even the relatives and close friends of Pappas see it like he's been "stolen" of soemthing...:p).
The title is not a prize that you win, it's an award implying recognition.
The recognition that they decided -the ones that they did not vote for him- not to give to Pappas.
It annoyed me much too, 'cause he as sure as hell deserved it, but let's not talk of stealing, 'cause this way you're gonna be unjustly provocative on one hand - and you're gonna be feeding trolls on the other.

I however was impressed that generally we both look more into things (even though u do tend a bit to go to the far side...) and have simililar views on subjects.

Picek
07-20-2010, 06:02 AM
Papas is the leader or within the leaders in almost every stat category of the tournament while Albicy is not even in the first page in most of them (why dont you take 5min to have a look for yourself)


yes, within the leaders in every category.. get a life:
Pappas..
pts per game - 1.
field goal percentage - 9.
2pts field goal percentage - 9.
3pts field goal percentage - 15.
FT percentage - 1.
FG made - 1.
2 pts FG made - 7.
3 pts FG made - 13.
FT's made - 1.
FG attempted - 4.
2 pt FG attempted - 5.
3 pt FG attempted - 19.
FT attempted - 1.
offensive rebounds - 59.
defensive rebounds - 23.
rebounds - 30.
assists - 26. (job well done)
steals - 4.
TO - 11.
blocks - 101.
fouls 67.
minutes - 3.
double - double - not on the list
medal - silver

and I'm a fucking idiot for losing my time with you.. :mad:

g.g
07-20-2010, 07:19 AM
yes, within the leaders in every category.. get a life:
Pappas..
pts per game - 1.
field goal percentage - 9.
2pts field goal percentage - 9.
3pts field goal percentage - 15.
FT percentage - 1.
FG made - 1.
2 pts FG made - 7.
3 pts FG made - 13.
FT's made - 1.
FG attempted - 4.
2 pt FG attempted - 5.
3 pt FG attempted - 19.
FT attempted - 1.
offensive rebounds - 59.
defensive rebounds - 23.
rebounds - 30.
assists - 26. (job well done)
steals - 4.
TO - 11.
blocks - 101.
fouls 67.
minutes - 3.
double - double - not on the list
medal - silver

and I'm a fucking idiot for losing my time with you.. :mad:You are...blind as well. READ your research and put Albicy next to it....:rolleyes:

g.g
07-20-2010, 08:11 AM
...come on you too now man...

MVP is just an honorary title, and subjective factors decide who's it gonna go to- by default. I mean it goes down to who they like, the ones that decide abt it.
(Ok they do take into account stats and all, but it's still subjective)


It's not like as if we're talking about soemthing "measurable", like the score of a game : the winner is the one that has +1 point at the end, no matter if he's been the better one or not.

So don't use terms like "stealing", it's too much (I bet not even the relatives and close friends of Pappas see it like he's been "stolen" of soemthing...:p).
The title is not a prize that you win, it's an award implying recognition.
The recognition that they decided -the ones that they did not vote for him- not to give to Pappas.
It annoyed me much too, 'cause he as sure as hell deserved it, but let's not talk of stealing, 'cause this way you're gonna be unjustly provocative on one hand - and you're gonna be feeding trolls on the other.

I however was impressed that generally we both look more into things (even though u do tend a bit to go to the far side...) and have simililar views on subjects.Hey my friend when I said "stealing" I meant it, it was not the heat of the time. Those people who vote knew very well that Papas was undoubtedly the star player on this tournament, they seen it on the court day by day. ai have in frond of me the stats as they must had them and again Papas had not real competitor with Albicy being a stats shadow.
Somebody even suggested that is the direct contribution to your ream that counts most, but even there Alicy's stats are falling well short of Papas.

The fact is that those people who vote for the matter had to try hard on purpose to find reasons not to give the title to the best. I do not know why they did it but what they did is cheating and stealing and they should be ashamed.

To be honest it does not matter much that Greece lost the final, France played better and won the game, but it really bothers me what they did to Papas because was obviously on purpose.

We even heard on the matter that steals are more important than points.....god give me strength!:rolleyes:

washcloud
07-20-2010, 12:57 PM
I do agree with you about it being "unfair" and it got me pissed as well 'cause he did deserve the recognition, probably more than anybody else (and like I said, it was already in the lips of "everybody" trhought the tournament that he's probably gonna be the one to get it - Albicy I didn't hear from "anybody") - I just diagree with the notion of a "theft". The shame is on them, like we'd say in our country, but just that.

Wrda
07-20-2010, 01:00 PM
Papas was definitevely better that Albicy on this tournament and he will make great career, but IMHO basketball is still a game. I like to see some spectaculatar dribbles and crazy assists, and that is the reason why Albicy now or Prostran earlier get MVP awards. Peaple always liked players like Ćosić, Kukoč and Bodiroga, no matter that their stats wasn't great, but simply they were the best basketball players in their times. That is the reason why Forlan received Golden Ball award. Maybe my view on sports is old fashioned, but I don't like the way how today basketball or soccer develops.

Picek
07-20-2010, 04:05 PM
We even heard on the matter that steals are more important than points.....god give me strength!:rolleyes:you do know how to read?
do you?

g.g
07-20-2010, 07:10 PM
you do know how to read?
do you?not well, you tell me picek... enlighten me please? Is it assists the most important, what is it? :D

auris1
07-20-2010, 07:59 PM
I am sorry that i didn't go through all the pages,but there is a lot hurt in there.
Let just calm down a bit and go back to basics like,is there any official description of MVP? And i mean for FIBA tournaments?
And who gets to decide ?
I think both sides have good arguments - and for me it comes down to simple choice - team or individual?Sometimes individual outperforms the team,(and there was examples of ones like Delas or Motiejunas). Or sometimes MVP just pulls the winning team together with outstanding performance.
Either way the decision has to be made. But i would not want to be categorical because each choice has cons and pros