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pohani komarac
09-29-2009, 09:39 PM
way to early, but let there be new thread for new team:D Hopefuly and most probably there will be lot of changes from coach to players. Unfortunaly Kasun said he won't play for NT no more (Repeša's fault:mad:)

my first posible wide roster:)

Roko Ukić (PG 195 84. Millwaukee Bucks)
Zoran Planinić (PG/SG/SF 201 82. CSK)
Marko Popović (PG/SG 185 82. Unics Kazan)
Rok Stipčević (PG 185 86. Zadar)
Toni Prostran (PG 181 91. Zadar)
Damir Rančić (SG 198 83. Zadar)
Marko Tomas (SG/SF 201 85. Cibona)
Bojan Bogdanović (SG/SF 202 89. Cibona)
Hrvoje Perić (SF 203 85. Zadar)
Marin Rozić (SF 201 83. Cibona)
Damjan Rudež (SF/PF 206 86. Cedevita)
Marko Banić (PF 204 84. Bilbao)
Damir Markota (PF 209 85. Bilbao)
Tomislav Zubčić (PF 212 90. Cibona)
Mario Delaš (PF/C 208 90. Split)
Lukša Andrić (PF/C 212 85. Cibona)
Nikola Vujčić (C 211 78. Olympiacos)-said he will do anything to prove new NT coach that he is sill worth of playing for NT so I guss he will be called:rolleyes:
Ante Tomić (C 217 87. Zagreb)
Stanko Barać (C 218 86. Caja Laboral)

I hope some young players will make fast impruvment and some guys (Barać, Markota and Rudež) get back on track so we could lead this team to Turkey (or I wish we could lead this team) :)

Ukić/Planinić
Tomas/Popović
Bogdanović/Rudež
Markota/Banic/Zubčić
Barać/Tomić/Delaš

the_black_planet
09-30-2009, 01:14 AM
I don't know about next year but in my opinion Croatia will be one of the near future powerhouses in Europe.The last generation of U19 especially Prostran,Zubcic and Delas are amazing!I think next year Croatia will be in a great need of Damir Markota,in the last Eurobasket they didn't have a single quick and good shooter PF.

pohani komarac
09-30-2009, 12:42 PM
I don't know about next year but in my opinion Croatia will be one of the near future powerhouses in Europe.The last generation of U19 especially Prostran,Zubcic and Delas are amazing!I think next year Croatia will be in a great need of Damir Markota,in the last Eurobasket they didn't have a single quick and good shooter PF.

I sure hope so:D We just need kick out some old chookers as son as posible so young talents don't lear from them how to choke

I agree. Repesa gave him free summer to heal injury and to impruve his status in Bilbao. He is great talent, but big head case...hope his more mature now

pohani komarac
09-30-2009, 12:43 PM
[QUOTE=pohani komarac;347282]Roko Ukić (PG 195 84. Millwaukee Bucks)
Zoran Planinić (PG/SG/SF 201 82. CSK)

something strange:confused::cool::D

pohani komarac
11-05-2009, 04:35 PM
It's oficial. Jasmn Repesa is't coach of Croatian NT. New Coach should be known before 15. 11.

Another news Croatia, Zadar is candidate for U-20 championship next year.

http://www.kosarka.hr/main.asp?dir=news&newsid=29900

pohani komarac
11-25-2009, 02:59 PM
Josip Vrankovic new Croatian coach

CRO basketball R.I.P.

http://www.kosarka.hr/main.asp?dir=news&newsid=30260

Franz
11-25-2009, 04:13 PM
^^^ Bad coach?

Picek
11-25-2009, 04:27 PM
^^^ Bad coach?unproved..

pohani komarac
11-25-2009, 04:41 PM
^^^ Bad coach?

not bad....terible....He couldn't keep his job in Siroki....And under him Cibona was .....whait I never saw worst Cibona....totaly mised players, no team spirit, no play system (give ball to Ayuso), no defence....Hw is even worse than Serbian 2007. coach Slavinic and that is hard to beat

what is even more controversial that he will not efect player selection...it's decided that "Croatian basketball expert board" will make selection (read managers)...

no wonder since waiter is presidend of basketball federation

.....when I know how things working in Croatia it's amazing how we actually are still solid in basketball

Picek
12-10-2009, 06:45 AM
finally some more playing minutes for Ukić..
25 minutes and 17 points and 4 assists in win against Raptors

Picek
02-05-2010, 10:56 AM
come on "fried mosquito", help me with this one since markoishvilli is on the forum only occasionly..
we are back at WC and we don't have a thread opened yet.. :rolleyes:
two things we do know:
1. our coach is Joke vranković. no expirience whatsoever but maybe that can prove to be a good thing 'cause the only expectation from our team is to pass the group, be better then Iran and Tunisia.
nothing else, that means the pressure is not so big. and since he is without expirience he shouldn't be a "slave" of a system like Repeša was.
Joke said he would like to bring some big names (like Kukoč) to help him with their advices. that could also prove to be a good thing 'cause he is admitting he can use all the help he can get.
if Perasović and Spahija couldn't be selected as our coaches I'm glad it wasn't Pavličević.. or even Anzulović..
let's give him a chance.

2. second thing we do know about the WC is that we will be playing in Istanbul against USA, Slovenia, Brazil, Iran and Tunisia.

and that is it..

let's talk about our team
PG
Ukić is our starting PG, too bad F. Ulker got kicked out from EL and he is playing only turkish league but playing time will do him good.
Popović should be our first backup for the spot, hopefully he won't be playing as our starting SG. he produces his best as a PG and he could be a spark coming in from the bench.
and Planinić can play there but only if needed, I wouldn't put this team in his hands, he can make less harm as SG or SF then as PG.
so no more Kus please, Stipčević is not good enough.


SG and SF
This is were it get's tricky. we have Tomas, and he will be either our starting SG or SF 'cause he can play both. question is, if he is our starting SF then who will be our starting SG and vice versa?
not so many solutions circling around :rolleyes:
Planinić as well as Tomas can play both. but his shooting abilities aren't the best and since we have Ukić who can be aggressive and attack the basket do we need a same type of player as SG?.. 'cause he can't shoot from outside with good enough percentage..
backups for those two places?
naturally Rozić would have it's place on a team as a defensive specialist but his status is unknown because of his injury..
the rest?
Baždarić plays rather good at Cedevita, if he can stay healthy he deserves to be tested again..
Perić, Rudež, Stojić?
thin, really thin..
I like how Bogdanović is progressing this year but it would be probably too early for him..
althoug defensively he is rocket for Perić, for example..

PF
Banić is a starter.
Luka Žorić has been playing really well.. he deserves a chance..
Andrić picked up his game in last couple of EL games, if he can play that all season long he also deserves a shot.
but they are all similar type of players, Andrić can shoot something (not on a regular bassis though) and open up some space inside, Banić and Žorić can not.
do we even have someone who can do that as PF?
Markota could have been that guy if he only had some brain in his head.
Vukušić? hell no.
Zubčić? God I hope so, one day..
Tomislav Ružić has been playing great this season..
although he is 31 he can be that kind of a player we need..
best Zadar player this season IMO..
only one who deserves some credit for his effort..

C
Barać as a starter, hopefully he will fight through this injury and stay healthy for the remainder of the season..
Tomić right there with him.
the rest?
no more Prkačin and Kasun said goodbye..
I would take Lončar..
and if we need someone with expirience then I would rather have Vujčić (although I hate him) instead of Nicević..
it will be interesting to see what will Vranković decide to do with Žižić.

so to sum it up..
PG Ukić, Popović, Planinić
SG Baždarić, Planinić, Tomas
SF Tomas, Rozić, ?
PF Banić, Žorić, Andrić, Ružić
C Barać, Tomić, Lončar, Vujčić, (Žižić?)

If they would just fight the way Cibona is doing it currently I would be happy with a second round..
'cause let's face it for the moment second round is a max this team can achieve..
good thing is that with Ukić, Tomas, Banić and Barać/Tomić we have a really young core of the team for the period of next 5-7 years..
and with some youngsters coming up and finally getting their playing time more then some overpaid foreigners our future looks bright..
and we could have all our positions covered in a way modern basketball is demanding..

pohani komarac
02-05-2010, 12:17 PM
we are back at WC and we don't have a thread opened yet.. :rolleyes:


actuly we have open thraed, you just need glasses:p

at this moment i would lead this team

Ukic/Popovic
Tomas/Planinic
Bogdanovic/Rozic (Rudez or Peric if he doesn't get well)
Banic/Loncar/Delas
Vujcic/Barac/Tomic

Picek
02-05-2010, 12:43 PM
actuly we have open thraed, you just need glasses:p:o
I just saw it..
nevermind, one of the mods will put it together..

[Threads merged] - Levenspiel



Ukic/Popovic
Tomas/Planinic
Bogdanovic/Rozic (Rudez or Peric if he doesn't get well)
Banic/Loncar/Delas
Vujcic/Barac/Tomic
no Delaš, he has EC in Zadar and a gold medal as goal there..
besides he can't bring us anything new so it's pointless to take him just to sit on the bench..
Bogdanović as a first option at SF?

pohani komarac
02-05-2010, 01:25 PM
First I have no dreams about reching any medal at world championship, we don't have quality for that. We must win 2 games in group, we must prove we can play decent basketball against anybody, we must slowley start rebuilding team evrything else comes as bonus. Tough I have no belive IN Joke (his nickname sounds much better on english) but I hope he proves me wrong

Why Delas-Screw U medals. We have bunch of them. From Giricek, Sesar and Vujcic generation to Ukic and Tomas generation we have bunch of medals, the most in europ and by that we should be dominant team last decade but we were not. Besides with home court and depth of 90. and 91. generation we should fight for medals with or without Delas. And we will win two U medals next summer I'm 99 % sure

Delas proved he can play decently on high level so with no chances now for same great result it is much better to lead him on this championship so he could step up better in posible crucial eurobasket 11. Why it is crucial...because we have bunch of taleted players frm now 90.-95. generations I'm sure in that 100% and we must stay on highest level competions. Guys like Vujcic and company is getting to old whille with no disrispet to Banic and Loncar they are not players that can brig us anything better.

Why Bogdanovic as starter. Simpley because he is only our player besides Tomas who plays bouth defense ond ofense on quality level. He is still young but he developed quite fast, he only needs more expiriance and self confidance. Most importantly with him in game result won't sufer. Respect to Rozic. He plays great defence but with limited players like him we aren't going nowere....

Same goes For Tomic and Barac. They are only centars from Vujcic and Kasun to 96. born wounderkid wich name I won't tell for now:) of high level talent...rest are just average players

It's a perfect oportunity to give some youngsters free expiriance without cosing big mess. Reast of talents like Prostran, Zubcic, Katic etc. are totaly unready.

Markoishvili
02-05-2010, 01:42 PM
I think we should take this tournament as a learining expierience rather then as a chance to make big result, since even if we bring our very best players at the moment we are not good enough to contend for a medal.

The problem i have with Vrankovic as our NT coach is that he is unproven and not expierenced enough, so he will most likely go with old group of players that will be able to bring respectable result (quarterfinals) in order to gain some confidance with media and federer. I would not be surprised in the least bit if Vrankovic`s team includes guys like Kus, Vujcic and Kasun.

Personally, i feel we should go in opposite direction. For years we have featured players that were highly skilled, but didn`t have tools or willingness to get dirty on the defensive end. I think Cibona is best example how far you can get with good defense. So i think we should go with young, atheltic type of players who will be able to play good defense and then we can upgrade for future competitions.

Playmaker -

Ukic improved a lot and is kind of a natural leader along with Tomas for this new generation. He is distributing the ball much better and his ability to break people down off the dribble will be sorely needed on this team.

As far as his backup goes, even if Popovic is doing good job at Unics this season, i feel Planinic is our 2nd best player at that position. He is Mr. Inconsistent, but if kept on a short leash he can do a good job. Not sure if Vrankovic can control him better then Repesa did.

Swingmens -

Popovic is among best players statistically in Eurocup, but i feel his presence on the court puts us in all kinds of matchup disadvantages. Aside from drawing occassional offensive foul, he doesn`t have the lenght nor the quickness to defend at this level. If he is brought along, his role should be limited as a gunner off the bench. If Popovic is "feeling it" he can lit up the scoreboard, but if his shot is cold he is not dynamic enough of a scorer to justify playing time.

Marko Tomas should be the first option here. I wish he would be a bit quicker, but he does as good job this season as first option for Cibona. His efficiency will go up in NT since he will not be having as big of a burden on his shoulders.

I think Bojan Bogdanovic should be firmly in rotation. He is perfect role player, potentially rich mans Rozic. He is tough, plays good defense and is knockdown three-point shooter. His ballhandling and shot-creating skills leave a lot to be desired, but with Ukic, Tomas and Planinic on the perimeter he should be very comfortable playing off the ball.

If Hrvoje Peric had anything resembling a jumpshot, he would be in, but as good of a slasher and energy guy he is, inability to make perimeter shot is fatal in european ball.

I hope Rozic will be good to go, because our options at this positions are fairly limited.

Kus is having a good season at Benetton and im not totally opposite to idea of him being a backup SG. He was Repesa`s darling and was given way too much playing time and resposibility, so that hurt his cause with fans. Because Kus is perfecty capable backup for 10-15mpg.

I wish we could go young, but we just don`t have any talented players at this positions besides Bogdanovic.

Rancic, Peric, Rudez, Bazdaric, Simon they are just not good enough for NT.

Power Forward

I don`t agree with Picek, Banic is almost automatic from mid-range these days and can make occasional three-pointer. His shooting improved a lot in last few years.

If Delas can improve his defense a bit and stop fouling so much until the end of the season, he should be in. He is incredibly skilled and poised offensively. Has everything except quickness, but is not so slow as people make him up to be. Strenght is biggest issues.

I would also take Leon Radosevic. He is already our best defender at PF position, his lateral quickness is amazing. If he can add some bulk to his frame, he could be Top Euroleague defender. His offensive game is not half that bad as it currently seems. Watching him at New Zealand WC, he showed that he has both solid jumper and ballhandling ability. Radosevic just needs to find more confidance and assert himself better.

Center

Tomic and Barac are shoo-in as our twin towers for the future.

Loncar is next on the list as a good reference in the low post.


We have so many talented youngsters at frontcourt position that would be a shame if Vujcic, Kasun or Nicevic stole any of available playing time.

Markoishvili
02-05-2010, 01:52 PM
I forgot Luka Zoric who should be among serious candidates for spot in the team as our most atheltic frontcourt player at the moment.

Straight forward
02-05-2010, 05:15 PM
Croatia's future looks very bright with Ukič at PG, Zubcic at SF position, Delaš as PF (he's really good) and Tomič at the center. One of the most promising teams for sure.

Wu-Tang
02-05-2010, 05:37 PM
Croatia's future looks very bright with Ukič at PG, Zubcic at SF position, Delaš as PF (he's really good) and Tomič at the center. One of the most promising teams for sure.

Quite the contrary. Croatia has two and a half serious players at the moment and those numbers will not increase in one nor in three years.

Straight forward
02-05-2010, 05:53 PM
Quite the contrary. Croatia has two and a half serious players at the moment and those numbers will not increase in one nor in three years.

Future is not at the moment :) Even now they will have decent team at least.

Shawshank
02-05-2010, 06:09 PM
For me its strange Croatia always had many great players,but i think there is a problem in mentaly strenght.I didnt see a clear leader for many years.That could take the ball in the hands in last minutes and take your team to win.All those planinic,tomas,vujcicic,banic ... are solid and euroleague level players,but they arent "killers".Its hard to believe that croatia lost so many close 1/4 games in last 15 years.After 1995 if i remember correctly your national team havent won a 1/4 game.Similiar to slovenia they always had very talented teams,but just could make 1/2 game.This summer was interesting when this 2 team met in 1/4 games,but even than slovenia wasnt manage to win a medal.Its same reason no mental strenght.
Sometimes its better have less talent,but have personalities on the court,that wouldnt be afraid to take the ball in the most important moments.
I see such starting line up:
Vujcic
Banic
Tomas
Ukic/popovic
Planinic

I dont see Ukic in playmaker role,he is a scorer not a passer.Same with popovic.I think the best solution would be Planinic solid and smart player.But ofcourse for me its hard to know the real situation and how croatians are seeing all those players.I just written how i see.By the way your team is very interesting bunch of good guards and big mens but no middle Small forwards :)
I think you could play with 4 small guys (planinic,Ukic,Popovic,Tomas ) and one big men lets say Banic.Very quick team and hard to handle for the oppnents.If popovic or ukic will have their days god help the oponents :) When we won eurobasket in 2003 we loved to play with 4 smaller guys some moments (Jasikevicius,Macijauskas,Siskauskas,Stombergas) and in middle big guy Zukauskas.
Btw Delas is very interesting player,when zalgiris bought him,most of the lithuanian thought he would help zalgiris maybe next year.But he is helping already.As for 20 years youngster have good skills and not bad understanding.I think zalgiris won signing him for 4 year deal.

pohani komarac
02-05-2010, 08:44 PM
Quite the contrary. Croatia has two and a half serious players at the moment and those numbers will not increase in one nor in three years.

i know you would like that scenario:)

pohani komarac
02-05-2010, 09:27 PM
For me its strange Croatia always had many great players,but i think there is a problem in mentaly strenght.I didnt see a clear leader for many years.That could take the ball in the hands in last minutes and take your team to win.All those planinic,tomas,vujcicic,banic ... are solid and euroleague level players,but they arent "killers".Its hard to believe that croatia lost so many close 1/4 games in last 15 years.After 1995 if i remember correctly your national team havent won a 1/4 game.Similiar to slovenia they always had very talented teams,but just could make 1/2 game.This summer was interesting when this 2 team met in 1/4 games,but even than slovenia wasnt manage to win a medal.Its same reason no mental strenght.
Sometimes its better have less talent,but have personalities on the court,that wouldnt be afraid to take the ball in the most important moments.
I see such starting line up:
Vujcic
Banic
Tomas
Ukic/popovic
Planinic

I dont see Ukic in playmaker role,he is a scorer not a passer.Same with popovic.I think the best solution would be Planinic solid and smart player.But ofcourse for me its hard to know the real situation and how croatians are seeing all those players.I just written how i see.By the way your team is very interesting bunch of good guards and big mens but no middle Small forwards :)
I think you could play with 4 small guys (planinic,Ukic,Popovic,Tomas ) and one big men lets say Banic.Very quick team and hard to handle for the oppnents.If popovic or ukic will have their days god help the oponents :) When we won eurobasket in 2003 we loved to play with 4 smaller guys some moments (Jasikevicius,Macijauskas,Siskauskas,Stombergas) and in middle big guy Zukauskas.
Btw Delas is very interesting player,when zalgiris bought him,most of the lithuanian thought he would help zalgiris maybe next year.But he is helping already.As for 20 years youngster have good skills and not bad understanding.I think zalgiris won signing him for 4 year deal.

Yeah we were chokers:o but also from 96. Olympics we never had full rester till 05. eurobasket when two key players got injured in quaterfinals, and refs did the rest:mad: And we mostley missed best players like Kukoc, Komazec, Radja, Giricek, Vujcic....

at the moment bigest problems are lack of star leaders. For now the closest to this role are Ukic and Tomas who proved in their carers they can decide thight game, tough they are not stars. In year or two Tomic and Delas should join them...In year or two I see very decnet, skilled and smart starting five with Ukic, Tomas, Bogdanovic, Delas and Tomic with good depth on bench with likes Barac, Zubcic, Planinic, Popovic, Banic etc. Still for next level we gonna miss some superstar. Zubcic has tools but lacks of toughnes and IQ, Prostran won't for sure reach his junior star level in senior basketball whille and kid Ramljak is Ukic and Tomas level of prospect. Rest are average Banic level of talets. Maybe sons of Kukoc and Dukan who are playing in US are some better and I'm very curies to find out. It's hard just to relay on few clips and articles about them. At the moment seams that our futre to be on medal level lays on 16 year old Saric:o for who evrey day I'm more and more sure that he defenetley has superstar potential:)

Next is we don't have clear PG, SG and modren PF. PG are not clear playmakers, whille Bogdanovic and Tomas are somwere betwen SG and SF. rest are not worth to mentnion. At PF we have old fasion PF/C like Banic and Loncar, whille Tomic and Zoric can cover that position. For future Delas will probabley end up best but he is somwere betwen modern and old fasion PF. Radosevic has tons of defensive potential, but he is limited when he enters atacking side of court. Markota is taleted but also is lunitic while Zubcic looks like new Markota:mad: At least at C future looks bright with Tomic and barac and buch of decent prospects

Tough with great depth we have and good coach like Perasovic and better mental strenght in year, two or 3 we could fight for medals from time to time

pohani komarac
02-18-2010, 03:31 PM
Josip Vrankovic gave wide list of 33 names that he is counting on

Zoran Planinić (PG/SG/SF 201 82. CSK)
Davor Kus (PG/SG 192 78. Benetton)
Marko Popović (PG/SG 184 82. Unics)
Marino Baždarić (SG 194 Cedevita)
Roko-Leni Ukić (PG 195 84. Fenerbahce)
Damir Rančić (SG 196 83. Zadar)
Rok Stipčević (PG 186 86. Zadar)
Jakov Vladović (PG 185 83. Lokomotiv Rostov)
Krunoslav Simon (SG 198 85. Zagreb)
Toni Prostran (PG 181 91. Zagreb)
Bojan Bogdanović (SG/SF 202 89. Cibona)
Marko Tomas (SG/SF 201 85. Cibona)
Marin Rozić (SF 203 83. Cibona)
Hrvoje Perić (SF 203 85. Zadar)
Damjan Rudež (SF/PF 206 86. Cedevita)
Mario Stojić (SF 197 80. Alicante)
Zoran Vrkić (SF 203 87. Split)
Matej Karlović (SF 201 89. Svijetlost Brod)
Damir Markota (PF 209 85. Bilbao)
Vedran Vukušić (PF 206 82. Cibona)
Mario Delaš (PF 207 90. Zalgiris)
Luka Žorić (PF/C 210 84. Zagreb)
Tomislav Zubčić (PF 211 90. Cibona)
Marko Banić (PF 204. 84. Bilbao)
Mario Kasun (C 213 80. Efes Pilsen)
Nikola Vujčić (C 211 78. Olympiacos)
Ante Tomić (PF/C 217 87. Real Madrid)
Krešimir Lončar (PF/C 210 83. Unics)
Goran Suton (PF/C 210 85. Spartak St. Petenburg)
Drago Pašalić (PF/C 210 84. Xacobeo)
Lukša Andrić (PF/C 212 85. Cibona)
Leon Radošević (PF/C 208 90. Cibona)
Stanko Barać (C 217 86. Caja Laboral)

rikhardur
02-18-2010, 03:37 PM
Do you think Delaš, Zubčić and Suton could make the final team?

pohani komarac
02-18-2010, 03:43 PM
Do you think Delaš, Zubčić and Suton could make the final team?

I think only Delaš has slight chances if he continiue his decent performance in Žalgiris. Suton??? He doesn't play to much, maybe trough B selectin. Zubčić is miles away from serius basketball

rikhardur
02-18-2010, 03:55 PM
I think only Delaš has slight chances if he continiue his decent performance in Žalgiris. Suton??? He doesn't play to much, maybe trough B selectin. Zubčić is miles away from serius basketball
Yeah Suton was definitely a major disappointment, at least for me. If Delaš keeps playing well until the end of the season I really think he should be given a chance.

pohani komarac
02-18-2010, 11:31 PM
I hope he will get a chance. A perfect situation for learnig expiriance. We defenetley need some impruvmant at PF wich he could become in few years

rikhardur
04-22-2010, 12:57 PM
CRO – Tomic on verge of stardom ahead of Turkey

MADRID (2010 FIBA World Championship) – There is plenty to be excited about for those who call themselves fans of Croatian basketball.

A new man is in charge of the national team, with Josep Vrankovic having been appointed coach following the resignation of Jasmin Repesa after EuroBasket 2009.

And the country is almost certain to have a new star in the low post in the shape of 7ft 2in Ante Tomic.

The 23-year-old has looked like the real deal ever since his move to Real Madrid from long-time club KK Zagreb three months ago.

There were some who wondered if he would be able to adapt to life in Spain, and the extremely physical ACB.

"It's hard because this is the first time I have left home and my country,” Tomic admitted.

"I have been here three months and so far, things have gone well.”

Tomic has been so effective in the ACB – arguably Europe’s top league - that he’s been shortlisted for the coveted ACB Revelation of the Year award.

After finding his feet in the early weeks, the center has become one of Madrid’s biggest offensive threats.

In 11 ACB games, Tomic has averaged 11 points.

He was influential in the Euroleague as well, pouring in 22 points in Madrid’s quarter-final Game 2 win over Barcelona and 23 in the Game 3 defeat.

“It's a great satisfaction and an honor,” Tomic said.

“I am very happy to be on this shortlist.”

Comparisons with greats

Tomic has been so prolific since his arrival from KK Zagreb that he’s been likened in Spain to their national team star, 2006 FIBA World Championship MVP Pau Gasol.

It’s not a comparison that he welcomes.

“I don't like that because he is a great player, probably the best in Europe,” Tomic said. “I only hope that one day they can compare me to him, but not yet."

Croatia have had some true greats like Drazen Petrovic and Toni Kukoc.

Tomic could eventually be one too, if he continues to work under Madrid boss Ettore Messina, one of the best coaches in the world.

Selected by the Utah Jazz with the 44th pick in the 2008 NBA Draft, Tomic is under contract with Real Madrid for three years.

When he’ll be ready for the NBA remains to be seen.

Everyone expects Tomic to make his debut for Croatia's senior team at the FIBA World Championship this August in Turkey, where they will go up against the United States, Slovenia, Brazil, Iran and Tunisia in Group B.

"It has been a great year for me,” Tomic said.

“I have played well with Zagreb and I arrived to a great team like Madrid.

“I now hope to play each time better and prove to everyone that I am a worthy player for Real Madrid. "
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/p/newsid/39608/arti.html

Iggypop
04-22-2010, 04:21 PM
Ante is doing a great job so far. Although his big talent is unquestioned, there were sure some doubts how he would adopt in Spain (Just remember, Marko Tomas was also the MVP of the NLB League when he left Zagreb for Real, and he failed to make the next step in his career). Tomic could be a dominant player next season, when the new rules probably give him more room under the rims. And biggest challenge still to come: he will play against Dwight Howard at the World Championship :D

Picek
04-22-2010, 11:44 PM
he will play against Dwight Howard at the World Championship :Dhe will eat him, spit him out and then piss on him :cool:

Iggypop
04-23-2010, 12:25 AM
he will eat him, spit him out and then piss on him :cool:

don't underestimate Howard :D

Buducnost PG
06-05-2010, 04:51 PM
What is going on with Stanko Barac, will he be fit for the Cup in Turkey? If he gets fit he along Tomic and Banic should be sure for Turkey.

pohani komarac
06-05-2010, 07:40 PM
What is going on with Stanko Barac, will he be fit for the Cup in Turkey? If he gets fit he along Tomic and Banic should be sure for Turkey.

barac got injured, and just started comback, but dusko decided to cut him from team because limited number of foregions. he should be fit

but when it comes to our nt nothing is sure. joke vrakovic said he thinks about vukusic and radosevic as two very posible cadidates:mad:

mbenga
06-05-2010, 07:52 PM
Next is we don't have clear PG, SG and modren PF. PG are not clear playmakers, whille Bogdanovic and Tomas are somwere betwen SG and SF. rest are not worth to mentnion.

What about Katic?

pohani komarac
06-05-2010, 09:00 PM
What about Katic?

he is way to young and unready

Picek
06-13-2010, 02:19 PM
Game 1: Croatia B – Montenegro U20 91:53 (20:14, 25:12, 20:16, 26:11)
Croatia B : Vragović 12 (24min), Petković (15min), Drezga 14 (29min), Simon 9 (14min), Petrović 11 (20min), Rudež 8 (31min), Vrkić 8 (13min), Žorić 22 (23min, 7sk), Poščić 7 (19min), Sobin (9min).

Montenegro U20: Damjanović, Samojlović 7, Barović 6, Lončović 4, Mihajlović 13, N. Ljujić 6, Đukanović, Šćepanović, Lopičić 8, M Ljujić 3, Dubljević 6, Patković


Game 2: Croatia B – U20 Montenegro 93:74 (20:16, 27:18, 21:18, 25:22)
Croatia B : Vragović 14, Petković 9, Drezga 2, Simon 9, Petrović 8, Rudež 11, Vrkić 11, Žorić 17, Poščić 7, Sobin 4.

Montenegro U20: Damjanović, Samojlović 19, Lončović 3, Mihajlović 13, N. Ljujić, Đukanović 7, Šćepanović 1, Lopičić 6, M Ljujić, Dubljević 22, Radović 3, Dobrović.

Žorić must be going crazy playing for B team..
he deserved a place on the A team preparations..
after Tomić left Zagreb Žorić was by far the best croatian center in NLB league and he confirmed that in A1 league..
Vranković had him last year in B team as well..
I would be going crazy if I was him..
if Bogdanović was invited directly to A team then Žorić should have been as well...

Beva
06-13-2010, 08:56 PM
if Bogdanović was invited directly to A team then Žorić should have been as well...

Are you sure about this? I think Bogdanović, Perić, Car and maybe someone more will join B squad these days... Or is this something new?

Picek
06-14-2010, 06:26 AM
Are you sure about this? I think Bogdanović, Perić, Car and maybe someone more will join B squad these days... Or is this something new?I'm not sure..
it could be though that you are right..
I didn't even think about it..
still I don't see the purpose of Žorić being there..
what is the point?
he will be exhausted when NT prep starts because he has been basicly without any vacation in last 12 months..
and if you won't see how he will cope against other 5's then give him someone stronger and his size to play against and not montenegro u20 team...

meanwhile:

Croatia B – Montenegro U20 88:69 (28:13, 18:17, 26:18, 16:21)
Croatia B: Vragović 4, Petković, Drezga 5, Simon 9, Petrović 12, Babić 8, Vrkić 18, Žorić 18, Rudež 14.

Montenegro U20: Damijanović, Samojlović 3, Radović, Lončović, Mihajlović 23, N. Ljujić, Đukanović 18, Šćepanović 4, Lopičić 2, M. Ljujić, Dubljević 14, Patković 5.

Wrda
06-14-2010, 07:36 AM
I don't see any purpose of B squad at all. Last year it has sense because of Mediteranian Games and for example Rancic was the best player of tournament and what benefits did that get to him? Or maybe they can rename it from B squad to XL squad?

pohani komarac
06-14-2010, 12:16 PM
it's menager selection. bogdanovic, zoric, and few others are there to justfy purpose. lot of players don't even desreve to be called "b" nt players. if coach without club job couldn't see sure 16 -17 players trough season than he is cluless or dumb...tough i'm prety sure waiter danko is the one who makes decisions

Beva
06-15-2010, 12:38 PM
still I don't see the purpose of Žorić being there..
what is the point?
he will be exhausted when NT prep starts because he has been basicly without any vacation in last 12 months..


Don't know... I would call Žorić, Perić and Bogdanović directly to the A-squad preparations, so they can prove theirselves after they get some rest...

B-squad is an insane idea, it will just get many players injured and with these kinds of opponents, they can't practically prove anything... I mean, we all know Žorić will dominate Montenegrin U-20 players, and even Iranians (I doubt they'll bring first team also)... So what's the point?

Edit: I just found out Perić has some knee problems and won't be in a B-squad... Clever :)

the_black_planet
06-15-2010, 06:21 PM
A bit OT so excuse me but I didn't find any more apropriate topic to post.Please somebody tell me what's going on with Miro Bilan because in eurobasket.com his profile is not right.He had very impressive numbers with Sibenka and then he moved to Zadar and played quite well in the NLB but I guess he got injured at some point because he didn't play in the Croatian League 2nd round.Maybe something else happened?He looks like a very interesting prospect.Also how is Zoric's game like?Is he a pure PF or an undersised center like Banic for example?If he is the 2nd probably that's why he wasn't called directly in the 1st team,because your NT is full of Centers.I remember in the last Eurobasket you had not a single PF,but don't worry that's going to change soon with Delas and Zubcic(or hopefully also if Markota grows up).

pohani komarac
06-15-2010, 07:25 PM
A bit OT so excuse me but I didn't find any more apropriate topic to post.Please somebody tell me what's going on with Miro Bilan because in eurobasket.com his profile is not right.He had very impressive numbers with Sibenka and then he moved to Zadar and played quite well in the NLB but I guess he got injured at some point because he didn't play in the Croatian League 2nd round.Maybe something else happened?He looks like a very interesting prospect.Also how is Zoric's game like?Is he a pure PF or an undersised center like Banic for example?If he is the 2nd probably that's why he wasn't called directly in the 1st team,because your NT is full of Centers.I remember in the last Eurobasket you had not a single PF,but don't worry that's going to change soon with Delas and Zubcic(or hopefully also if Markota grows up).

Bilan was beched from Jusup after his first bad game. Mostley because Jusup started very bad with team and probabley got scared for result and job so he shorthanded rotation to 7 expiriance players. I guess he should get lot of min. next season, especially if Pleisted doesn't stay wich is very posible

Zoric is more center than todays version of PF, isn't skilled like Banic but is taller (208-210), very athletic and poses very solid skills midrange shoot. In my mind could be very good compliment to skilled and light Tomic in starting five, they already did well in NLB before Tomic left. Prety bad that he didn't started take basketball more serius earliyer, he wold play in top clubs today

pohani komarac
06-15-2010, 07:29 PM
b team with additions from zadar and cibona kicked ass of u-20 team with their additions

Hrvatska B – U20 Hrvatska 116:72 (34:11, 35:22, 22:26, 25:13)
Hrvatska B: Car 8, Petković 2, Stipčević 22, Simon 16, Petrović 13, Babić, Vrkić 12, Žorić 9, Rudež 10, Bogdanović 16, Bilan, Sobin 8. Trener: Joke Vranković.
U20 Hrvatska: Došen, Batur 13, Bilinovac, Delaš 7, Olivari 9, Ramljak 2, Prostran 8, Radošević 17, Planinić 2, Bubalo, Zubčić 14, Juričić. Trener: Boris Kurtović

the_black_planet
06-16-2010, 09:27 AM
Thank you pohani my friend for the info,trust me mate you are soon gonna change your signature;)

pohani komarac
06-18-2010, 10:30 PM
Hrvatska B – U20 Hrvatska 93:91 (25:26, 19:19, 26:20, 23:27)
Hrvatska B: Car 8, Petković, Stipčević 12, Simon 6, Vragović 5, Babić, Vrkić 8, Petrović 3, Rudež 15, Bogdanović 17, Bilan 12, Sobin 7. Trener: Joke Vranković.
U20 Hrvatska: Došen 9, Batur 2, Bilinovac 2, Delaš 19, Olivari, Ramljak 6, Prostran 21, Radošević 7, Planinić 8, Bubalo, Rikić, Zubčić 17, Juričić. Trener: Boris Kurtović

after blowout u-20 team put nice fight to b team

pohani komarac
06-29-2010, 10:43 AM
Joke Vranković selected 17 man rooster:

Roko Ukić (PG 195 84. Fenerbahce)
Zoran Planinić (PG/SG/SF 201 82. Khimki)
Davor Kus (PG/SG 192 78. Benetton)
Marko Popović (PG/SG 184 82. Unics)
Rok Stipčević (PG 186 86. Zadar)
Krunoslav Simon (SG 198 85. Zagreb)
Bojan Bogdanović (SG/SF 202 89. Cibona)
Marko Tomas (SG/SF 201 85. Fenerbahce)
Hrvoje Perić (SF 203 85. Zadar)
Vedran Vukušić (PF 206 82. Cibona)
Mario Delaš (PF 207 90. Žalgiris)
Luka Žorić (PF/C 210 84. Zagreb)
Marko Banić (PF 204. 84. Bilbao)
Ante Tomić (PF/C 217 87. Real Madrid)
Krešimir Lončar (PF/C 210 83. Unics)
Leon Radošević (PF/C 208 90. Cibona)
Stanko Barać (C 217 86. Caja Laboral)

Beva
06-29-2010, 12:00 PM
Joke Vranković selected 17 man rooster:

Roko Ukić (PG 195 84. Fenerbahce)
Zoran Planinić (PG/SG/SF 201 82. Khimki)
Davor Kus (PG/SG 192 78. Benetton)
Marko Popović (PG/SG 184 82. Unics)
Rok Stipčević (PG 186 86. Zadar)
Krunoslav Simon (SG 198 85. Zagreb)
Bojan Bogdanović (SG/SF 202 89. Cibona)
Marko Tomas (SG/SF 201 85. Fenerbahce)
Hrvoje Perić (SF 203 85. Zadar)
Vedran Vukušić (PF 206 82. Cibona)
Mario Delaš (PF 207 90. Žalgiris)
Luka Žorić (PF/C 210 84. Zagreb)
Marko Banić (PF 204. 84. Bilbao)
Ante Tomić (PF/C 217 87. Real Madrid)
Krešimir Lončar (PF/C 210 83. Unics)
Leon Radošević (PF/C 208 90. Cibona)
Stanko Barać (C 217 86. Caja Laboral)

I can't see a one good reason why Vukušić is on the list... I mean, he was a fifth or sixth man even in Cibona... It would be better if Joke put Andrić instead...

I would exclude these 5: Stipčević, Simon, Kus, Vukušić and Radošević, but then again, we would be too weak at guards... Perhaps to left out Lončar/Banić and put in Simon?

Markoishvili
06-29-2010, 12:15 PM
I think Ukic, Planinic, Kus, Popovic, Peric, Bogdanovic and Tomas are pretty much locks on the perimeter.

Which leaves us with 5 spots for centers. Banic, Tomic and Loncar should be locks as well.

Delas, Vukusic, Barac, Radosevic and Zoric are fighting for remaining two spots.

Tough to say who will get in, i think Delas`s chances as slimest with his being poor defender, as Vukusic`s biggest since he is the only one with 3-point range.

Picek
06-29-2010, 03:03 PM
imo good move by Vranković who finally got rid of Vujčić, Nicević, Stojić..
Kasun said goodbye by himself, so did Prkačin..
even when Vujčić was at peak of his career he never did anything remarkable while playing for NT..
partly because he was often used as PF but still..
Nicević and Stojić are just average quality but hard working players who really don't deserve to take the spot on NT roster instead of someone younger with a bright future..
as for the list itself..
I would kick Kus out as well, he can't bring us anything we already don't have with younger players...
Rozić with his injury never had a chance, and with Bogdanović we actually have an upgraded version of Rozić 'cause Bogdanović can actually hit an outside shot alongside his not so bad defense..
and on top of it he is younger player..
Ukić, Planinić, Popović, Bogdanović and Tomas should be 100% secure for their positions..
hopefully they will avoid injuries..
that leaves us with Kus, Stipčević and Perić fighting for one remaining guard position..
I believe Vranković will take 6+6 and in that case Perić has an advantage over Kus and Stipčević..
if he will take 7+5 then I hope he will take Stipčević rather then Kus..

as for the big guys..
Tomić and Banić are locked..
Barać would be as well if it wasn't for his injury.. they are saying he should be 100% ready for the begininng of the preps.. hopefully that will be the case and then he should make the cut as well.. that leaves us
Lončar, Žorić, Radošević, Delaš, Vukušić..
and if it is 6+6 like I think it will be then the other three guys will most probably be Lončar, Žorić and Vukušić..
and I agree with Beva, what the fuck was Vranković thinking not inviting Andrić for the preps?
all in all this is the best we got.. far from perfect, missing a high quality PF again.. but that has been the case in last xy years...
but I personally like it..
I just hope we will make the second round, otherwise the bright future of this NT would be killed by the press and the public right at the start of what could be a great story for croatian basketball in years to come..

pohani komarac
06-29-2010, 03:26 PM
imo good move by Vranković who finally got rid of Vujčić, Nicević, Stojić..
Kasun said goodbye by himself, so did Prkačin..
even when Vujčić was at peak of his career he never did anything remarkable while playing for NT..
partly because he was often used as PF but still..
Nicević and Stojić are just average quality but hard working players who really don't deserve to take the spot on NT roster instead of someone younger with a bright future..
as for the list itself..
I would kick Kus out as well, he can't bring us anything we already don't have with younger players...
Rozić with his injury never had a chance, and with Bogdanović we actually have an upgraded version of Rozić 'cause Bogdanović can actually hit an outside shot alongside his not so bad defense..
and on top of it he is younger player..
Ukić, Planinić, Popović, Bogdanović and Tomas should be 100% secure for their positions..
hopefully they will avoid injuries..
that leaves us with Kus, Stipčević and Perić fighting for one remaining guard position..
I believe Vranković will take 6+6 and in that case Perić has an advantage over Kus and Stipčević..
if he will take 7+5 then I hope he will take Stipčević rather then Kus..

as for the big guys..
Tomić and Banić are locked..
Barać would be as well if it wasn't for his injury.. they are saying he should be 100% ready for the begininng of the preps.. hopefully that will be the case and then he should make the cut as well.. that leaves us
Lončar, Žorić, Radošević, Delaš, Vukušić..
and if it is 6+6 like I think it will be then the other three guys will most probably be Lončar, Žorić and Vukušić..
and I agree with Beva, what the fuck was Vranković thinking not inviting Andrić for the preps?
all in all this is the best we got.. far from perfect, missing a high quality PF again.. but that has been the case in last xy years...
but I personally like it..
I just hope we will make the second round, otherwise the bright future of this NT would be killed by the press and the public right at the start of what could be a great story for croatian basketball in years to come..

andric has very good skills and athletic abilitys, but no brain and confidence to use them consistant on court

i'd like to see simon in rotation...it's not like he should play many minitues (i hope joke won't use stupid moronic euro strategy of 12 equal players like repesa did) but if neceserry he can bring us creativity on cort and also he is most cluch player in croatia...it's shame he doesn't care of his body, he would have much better carer...but i see joke takeing kus

besides 12 equal strategy i'd also like to see vrankovic not to use 6+6 strategey, and 4 pg who non of them is true playmaker 3 are nuf. tomas an bogdanovic showed they can work great togheter on 2-3 positions. both of them are very similar swingmans and very good complimet to each other

peric should be there as well for me...he is most creative player in group and oposite of shooter bogdanovic, and also can play as playmaker and play as fake pf

ukic, popovic, planinic
tomas, simon
bogdanovic, peric
zoric, banic
tomic, barac, loncar

that would be my 12 from this group

Picek
06-29-2010, 04:38 PM
ukic, popovic, planinic
tomas, simon
bogdanovic, peric
zoric, banic
tomic, barac, loncar

that would be my 12 from this groupbut Simon is not in the group of the ones who were invited..

Beva
06-29-2010, 04:55 PM
ukic, popovic, planinic
tomas, simon
bogdanovic, peric
zoric, banic
tomic, barac, loncar

that would be my 12 from this group

This is something similar to what I said, only difference is that I put Delaš instead of Lončar/Banić... I don't know, Banić is very limited, so is Delaš defensively, but we never accomplished something big with Banić in... So I would give chance to Delaš... Even Lončar never played something extraordinary for NT... I remember he looked affraid to shoot in some situations... I would bring Delaš only for the future's sake, even though he would not be able to contribute much right now...

I noticed we all take Žorić as a sure pick, but who knows...

All in all, Joke did a solid job...

Beva
06-29-2010, 04:56 PM
but Simon is not in the group of the ones who were invited..

He is, you missed him...

Picek
06-29-2010, 07:22 PM
Prep plan

15. – 28.07.2010. preps in Poreč
24.07. Croatia – Italy in Poreč
25.07. Croatia – Italy in Pula

28. – 30.07.2010 free time

30.07. – 05.08.2010 preps in Crikvenica

05.08.2010. travelling to Cyprus
06. – 08.08.2010. tournament on Cyprus (Croatia, Greece, Russia, Germany)
09. – 12.08.2010. trainings on Cyprus

12.08.2010. travelling to Germany
13. – 15.08.2010. tournament in Germany, Supercup (Croatia, Germany, Turkey, Lithuania)

16. – 19.08.2010. free time
19. – 26.08.2010. preps in Zadar
20.-22.08. 4. World cup tournament (Croatia, New Zealand, Russia, Jordan)

26.08.2010. travelling to Turkey


a lot of games planned during the prep period.. hopefully it won't affect us injury wise but other then that I think it is good to have so many games for basicly a completely new team..
hopefully Vranković already knows what he wants from them and how he wants to play..
with such a young team he can basicly play quite similar to how Cibona played this year..
in terms of hard play and fighting spirit ofcourse...


He is, you missed him... :o

wardjdim
06-29-2010, 10:44 PM
I like the 17-men squad

I also like to watch Stipcevic in the final squad ;)

greg
06-30-2010, 12:25 AM
What chances do you see that Vranković will stop the concept of 2-3 PG on the court in Croatian NT?

pohani komarac
06-30-2010, 01:34 AM
i hope there are some. tomas and bogdanovic proved that they can cover 2-3 positions togheter, or play with someone else in pair so hopefully we won't use that much. tough, i still think we will play trogh some straches with two pg do to lack of quality solutions on wing besides bogdanovic and tomas

pohani komarac
07-08-2010, 08:12 PM
Stanko Barać out from NT because injury:( Lukša Andrić from Cibona IN

Zoran Planinić had knee operation and is very doubtfull.

Picek
07-08-2010, 09:13 PM
Stanko Barać out from NT because injury:( Lukša Andrić from Cibona IN

Zoran Planinić had knee operation and is very doubtfull.perfect...
problems before preparations even started.. :rolleyes:

pohani komarac
07-18-2010, 11:18 PM
Vedran Vukusic is probabley out to because back problems, Radosevic and Delas are wery doubfull to:(

the_black_planet
07-19-2010, 07:09 PM
Guys I really wonder why Zubcic was so bad in the U20 Championship.Too bad for such a talented player...Any clues?Zubcic is most important for the Croatian NT at least for the future because he is the only pure PF that can play outside the paint and shoot from distance.Since Markota is not wellcome there anymore,he is the only player with these qualities.So any clues?Hope he well get back in good shape soon,his season with Cibona this year was not bad and that's a good sign.

Picek
07-19-2010, 07:18 PM
Guys I really wonder why Zubcic was so bad in the U20 Championship.Too bad for such a talented player...Any clues?Zubcic is most important for the Croatian NT at least for the future because he is the only pure PF that can play outside the paint and shoot from distance.Since Markota is not wellcome there anymore,he is the only player with these qualities.So any clues?Hope he well get back in good shape soon,his season with Cibona this year was not bad and that's a good sign.with him it's simple..
he can't get his shit straight..
as season progressed he lost those couple of playing minutes he got at the beginning of season..
IMO there will never be a real player out of him..
bad working ethic, nutcase or whatever other reason..

ffalkec
07-24-2010, 06:34 AM
Prep plan

15. – 28.07.2010. preps in Poreč
24.07. Croatia – Italy in Poreč
25.07. Croatia – Italy in Pula

28. – 30.07.2010 free time

30.07. – 05.08.2010 preps in Crikvenica

05.08.2010. travelling to Cyprus
06. – 08.08.2010. tournament on Cyprus (Croatia, Greece, Russia, Germany)
09. – 12.08.2010. trainings on Cyprus

12.08.2010. travelling to Germany
13. – 15.08.2010. tournament in Germany, Supercup (Croatia, Germany, Turkey, Lithuania)

16. – 19.08.2010. free time
19. – 26.08.2010. preps in Zadar
20.-22.08. 4. World cup tournament (Croatia, New Zealand, Russia, Jordan)

26.08.2010. travelling to Turkey


a lot of games planned during the prep period.. hopefully it won't affect us injury wise but other then that I think it is good to have so many games for basicly a completely new team..
hopefully Vranković already knows what he wants from them and how he wants to play..
with such a young team he can basicly play quite similar to how Cibona played this year..
in terms of hard play and fighting spirit ofcourse...

:o

Hello my friend. Do you konow if there will be any TV broadcasts?

Beva
07-24-2010, 07:01 AM
Hello my friend. Do you konow if there will be any TV broadcasts?

Today at 17:55 HRT 2 is showing Croatia - Italy prep game...

ffalkec
07-24-2010, 12:02 PM
Today at 17:55 HRT 2 is showing Croatia - Italy prep game...

Thank you Beva, this is great news :)

wardjdim
07-24-2010, 01:04 PM
Any links guys?

the_black_planet
07-24-2010, 01:05 PM
Any link for streaming??:confused:

Beva
07-24-2010, 06:19 PM
Croatia won 89-72...

Great game for us, we looked good in offense, while Italians rely only on Bargnani and Belinelli...

Vranković rotated only 9 players and that's good thing, he obviously knows who's going to play at WC...

pohani komarac
07-24-2010, 06:31 PM
Sorry guys, haven't been bofore here.

If something is on some tv from balkan region try balkansport. you just need fre registration
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We destroyed Italy and looked more then good besides defensive rebounding wich will be our weakness because lacking of strog big guuy and defense on pick and pop:) Imo Italians looking terible. Bargnani-Belineli forcing while you couldn't notice anyone but them. I'm also woryed that we will get in shape to earley Or was their bad day or just our great:rolleyes:

Tomic most likeley will be back in 10 days

wardjdim
07-24-2010, 07:27 PM
Nice

I am on holiday so I forgot about my normal life (which means I completely disregarded the fact I have a Balkansport acct :D)

Any clue abt boxscore?

Also, which were these 9 players that played? Stipcevic shouldnt be one of them, I guess.. And I guess that Zoric is among them ;)

Picek
07-24-2010, 07:55 PM
Nice

I am on holiday so I forgot about my normal life (which means I completely disregarded the fact I have a Balkansport acct :D)

Any clue abt boxscore?

Also, which were these 9 players that played? Stipcevic shouldnt be one of them, I guess.. And I guess that Zoric is among them ;)
Hrvatska – Italija 89:72 (23:26, 26:11, 16:19, 24:16)
Hrvatska: Ukić 9, Kus 8, Popović 9, Bogdanović 15, Simon, Tomas 7, Stipčević. Pašalić, Lončar 10, Banić 4, Žorić 15, Andrić 12
Italija: Bargnani 28, Gigli 2, Belinelli 23, Maestranzi 3, Carraretto, Poeta , Mordente 3, Crosariol 4, Mancinelli 2, Vitali 3, Aradori 4, Lechthaler, Cavaliero, Datome

Stipčević, Simon and Pašalić didn't play a minute..



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We destroyed Italy and looked more then good besides defensive rebounding wich will be our weakness because lacking of strog big guuy and defense on pick and pop:) Imo Italians looking terible. Bargnani-Belineli forcing while you couldn't notice anyone but them. I'm also woryed that we will get in shape to earley Or was their bad day or just our great:rolleyes:

Tomic most likeley will be back in 10 daysIMO Vranković did everything he could to win this game because it was shown on TV..
and he surely didn't want to start the his campaign with a loss infront of TV cameras..
I don't like conspiracy theories but the way italians played their defence Vranković surely got enough help from them.. wanted or not..
I expect a different game tomorrow in Pula..
and we shouldn't jump to any conclusions after this or any other prep games for that point..
we have a history of playing good in preps and fucking it up when the real deal starts..

ffalkec
07-25-2010, 09:40 AM
Impressive game by croats yesterday. Once they improve their rebounds a bit more they will be a really tough team. Will there be no tv broadcast today?

pohani komarac
07-25-2010, 11:18 AM
no:(

highlights from yeasterday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWDYmbiYkCo&feature=sub&videos=WuhWUPxPHIQ

Picek
07-25-2010, 08:46 PM
Croatia - Italy 80-71

scorers should be available later..
Stipčević and Pašalić played today, Simon didn't..
Perić wasn't even on the bench, same like yesterday..

Toxicity
07-25-2010, 09:13 PM
Croazia-Italia 80-71 (20-16, 37-32, 57-50)
Croazia. Ukic 14 (4/9, 2/4),Tomas 16 (3/6, 3/6), Stipcevic 5 (1/1, 0/3), Loncar 17 (4/5), Banic 4 (2/4).
Kus 2 (1/2), Popovic (0/1, 0/2), Bogdanovic 9 (1/2, 1/4), Pasalic 4 (2/2), Zoric 6 (1/2), Luksa 5. Ne: Simon. Allenatore: Iosip Vrankovic
Italia. Bargnani 21 (6/9, 2/2), Gigli (0/2), Belinelli 15 (0/5, 3/5), Maestranzi 5 (1/2, 1/3),Carraretto (0/1, 0/1). Mancinelli 15 (5/7, 1/2), Mordente 2 (1/2), Crosariol, Datome 9 (1/3, 2/2), Vitali 2 (0/1 da tre), Aradori (0/1), Lechthaler. Ne: Poeta e Cavaliero. Allenatore Simone Pianigiani
Arbitri: .Dozai, Radovic, Hadzic
Tiri: T2: Cro 19/34, Ita 14/32. T3: Cro 6/19, Ita 9/19. TL: Cro 26/36, Ita 14/22. Assist: Cro 12 (Stipcevic e Tomas 3), Ita 3. Rimbalzi: Cro 34 (Ukic 8), Ita 17 (Mancinelli e Bargnani 4).
Note: Antisportivo: Pasalic (16-12 al 9’) Belinelli (29-26 al 18’), Tomas (34-29 al 20’), Banic (41-35 al 23’). 5 falli Mancinelli (72-64 al 37’)
Parziali: 5’ 7-6; 15’ 26-20, 25’ 46-40 , 35’ 66-62

Picek
07-25-2010, 09:20 PM
Rimbalzi: Cro 34 (Ukic 8), Ita 17 (Mancinelli e Bargnani 4).
2
ouch
and we are playing without some of our best bigs.. :rolleyes:
yesterday it was 28-23 (although I'm not sure if that is true=..
maybe it is time for Italy to import some big men.. 'cause their lack of true big has been going on for some time..
and seing how their youth teams are doing in that segment the future is not bright..

btw. yesterdays stats.
Croazia-Italia 89-72 (23-26, 49-37, 65-56)
Croazia: Ukic 9 (2/11, 0/3), Tomas 7 (3/4, 0/1), Bogdanovic 15 (3/4, 3/4), Loncar 10 (2/3, 2/2), Luksa 12 (4/4), Kus 8 (1/1), Popovic 9 (1/1, 2/2), Banic 4 (1/3), Zoric 15 (3/4). Ne: Simon, Stipcevic e Pasalic. Allenatore: Iosip Vrankovic.
Italia: Bargnani 28 (4/8, 4/6), Gigli 2 (1/2), Belinelli 23 (4/12, 2/3), Maestranzi 3 (0/1, 1/5), Carraretto (0/1, 0/3), Poeta, Mordente 3 (0/1, 1/4), Crosariol 4 (2/3), Mancinelli 2 (1/3, 0/1), Vitali 3 (0/2, 1/2), Aradori 4. Ne: Lechthaler, Cavaliero e Datome. Allenatore Simone Pianigiani
Arbitri: Radovic, Dozai e Susani.

Tiri: T2: Cro 20/35, Ita 12/33. T3: Cro 7/14, Ita 9/24. TL: Cro 38/33, Ita 21/22. Assist: Cro 6, Ita 4. Rimbalzi: Cro 28 (Luksa 7), Ita 23 (Gigli 5).
Note: 5 falli: Banic (Croazia). Non ha giocato Iacopo Giachetti per un trauma muscolare da impatto occorsogli in allenamento.
Parziali: 5’ 12-10; 15’34-32, 25’ 55-51, 35’ 79-63

pohani komarac
07-25-2010, 09:43 PM
Croatia - Italy 80-71

scorers should be available later..
Stipčević and Pašalić played today, Simon didn't..
Perić wasn't even on the bench, same like yesterday..

peric has small injury, if evrything goes well he will travell to turkey

Picek
07-30-2010, 08:23 PM
good news, Tomić is back..
not to full trainings but should be ok..
Planinić should join the team on monday..

honeybadger
08-01-2010, 07:26 PM
I wish you guys all the best at the WC! Personally, I think you guys have lots of talent, but I think you do not have a good coach... In any case, I hope you qualify for the next round, and more.

wardjdim
08-06-2010, 03:53 PM
"White Jordan" Aleksey Shved is toying with the Croatian backcourt of Ukic and Peric

Given that, expect him to disappear in the 2nd and 3rd game of the tournament :D

pohani komarac
08-06-2010, 11:16 PM
any scores?

Picek
08-07-2010, 04:20 PM
any scores?
http://www.galanissportsdata.com/basketball/online/onlinegamegsd.asp?game=1&cup=1

Picek
08-09-2010, 05:46 AM
it's good we still have 20 days before the first game so maybe we can fix some things in that period..
our game plan sucks..
1 on 1 all game long..
in three games except of couple of pick n roll moves against Germany and couple of nice plays by Popović to our big mens I didn't see anything work mentioning in our organized play..
but that isn't even our biggest problem, our biggest problem is that we can't play when opposition just slightly pressure us..
you could have seen that against russians, it was confirmed against germans and yesterday against greeks..
our interior defence is horrible, it's not just the problem of defending the opposition bigs it's the lack of movement and helping out which brings opposition to easy points..
we are slow in transition, greeks were overruning us every time they had an opportunity to do so..

for the sake of the team Vranković needs to cut the Stipčević and Pašalić before the tournament in Germany and he needs to use those two tournaments left to find his A team and then to do as much as possible with them..
otherwise all hopes are ruined..

Ukić, Popović, Planinić
Tomas, Kus
Bogdanović, Perić
Banić, Lončar
Tomić, Žorić, Andrić

although Perić was a huge disspointment in these three games, offense was never his primary thing but he was lost on defensive end..
I'm an optimist by nature so all I can do is hope we can fix atleast some things before the tournament starts..
I don't care about the bad results in prepa games, I'm more worried about the bad game plan..

Picek
08-09-2010, 05:26 PM
- Bilo je dobrih stvari u našoj igri, ali bilo je i onih na kojima još trebamo raditi. Što se tiče napadačkog dijela, njime mogu biti prilično zadovoljan. Igrali smo u prilično visokom ritmu. Defenzivno smo protiv Njemačke i Grčke imali po jednu lošu četvrtinu.

- Očekujem da ćemo u tim utakmicama napraviti novi kvalitativni iskorak, ispraviti probleme koji su se pojavili u fazi obrane, a zadržati brzinu i razinu agresivnosti koja je krasila našu napadačku igru - zaključio je Vranković.

bloody moron is satisfied with the offensive game.. God help us :mad:

Buran
08-14-2010, 04:11 AM
hi guys, I have a quick question for you, which players do you think will get considerable playing minutes at position 4 & 5 for your national team in Turkey?
thanks in advance

the_black_planet
08-14-2010, 12:26 PM
I don't know that well as the Croatian friends but I'll give you a first opinion.Tomic will be the starting center and the go to guy in the paint.He is the most talented player of this NT,he is a player of Real Madrid and last night against Germany he was very impressive.So I expect him to play the most minutes in 5.Then I think the starting PF will be Loncar,although he is not a pure 4 but in general Croatia doesn't have any mobile 4,all their tall guys are post players.And the first from the bench should be Banic who is a great player too,also some minutes will worth Zoric,he deserves them:)

the_black_planet
08-14-2010, 01:18 PM
Of course there is also Andric,very nice player too,I guess will have the same role as Zoric.Pasalic should be cut and I have no idea why he was called in the NT:confused:

Buran
08-14-2010, 04:39 PM
I don't know that well as the Croatian friends but I'll give you a first opinion.Tomic will be the starting center and the go to guy in the paint.He is the most talented player of this NT,he is a player of Real Madrid and last night against Germany he was very impressive.So I expect him to play the most minutes in 5.Then I think the starting PF will be Loncar,although he is not a pure 4 but in general Croatia doesn't have any mobile 4,all their tall guys are post players.And the first from the bench should be Banic who is a great player too,also some minutes will worth Zoric,he deserves them:)

thanks for the information, so it looks like the paint is Croatia's strong point, and the only minor problem might be slower PFs (C's in disguise :) )

pohani komarac
08-14-2010, 11:50 PM
all of our bigs are 5-4 players as we have no clear pf. tomic will be go to guy as black planet said, loncar should folow him. banic, zoric adric will be used as backups, maybe banic will get bit more min. at some point we could use bogdanovic or peric as "fake" pf

Kotarac
08-15-2010, 05:12 PM
Today we looked really good for 2 and a half quarters and then Ukić got injured and our game fell apart. Midway through the second quarter we were +14 and then with 5-6 minutes left in the third we were +11 but like I said, Ukić rolled his ankle after going for a spectacular dunk and the Lithuanians started shooting the three ball at will. I haven't seen the stats but it felt like they went at 70% for the last 15 minutes of the match. Amazing.


thanks for the information, so it looks like the paint is Croatia's strong point, and the only minor problem might be slower PFs (C's in disguise )

Ante Tomić is great offensively even if he isn't physically developed just yet. He has a great baby hook and can finish with either hand. He's also a good passer and can find the open man on the perimeter. However, defensively he is a bit of a liability and he doesn't attack the boards like he should. When he fixes these weaknesses he will be a complete player and without doubt one of the best C's in Europe.

2.18/7'2", 1987, Dubrovnik, Real Madrid

Krešimir Lončar is a solid player, almost perfect back-up C for us. In this tournament he will have to play more minutes than is ideal and will have to play some at PF, too. He's a good defender but not overly athletic. He's decent on the low post, he has a turnaround jumper that he likes to hit from 8-10 feet. He can also hit the 3 pointer if left open.

2.10/6'11", 1983, Split, BC Khimki

Marko Banić is a slightly undersized power forward whose biggest weapons are his intelligence and mid-range jumper. He's not very agile and he can't jump too high but he thinks his way through the game. He will definitely play big minutes for Croatia.

2.04/6'8", 1984, Zadar, Bizkaia Bilbao

Luka Žorić is a C-PF whose biggest strength is his athleticism and willingness to attack the boards. He doesn't have too many offensive weapons but he's a decent defender. He'll play some minutes at PF.

2.08/6'10", 1984, Zadar, KK Zagreb

Lukša Andrić is another C-PF who has decent mobility and can run the floor pretty well. He occasionally likes to put the ball on the floor but he can also make some fundamental errors. His low post game is decent but he will struggle to get position on the bigger, better PF's and C's at the World Championships. Other than that his passing is OK, he can hit the mid range shot and occasionally will surprise the opposition with a three pointer. Defensivey he is very frustrating because he's the kind of guy who can pick up a bunch of fouls quickly.

2.10/6'11", 1985, Dubrovnik, Galatasaray

I think the spread of minutes will be something like this:

Banić (20) - Žorić (10) - Lončar (10)
Tomić (25) - Lončar (10) - Andrić (5)

Buran
08-16-2010, 03:03 AM
all of our bigs are 5-4 players as we have no clear pf. tomic will be go to guy as black planet said, loncar should folow him. banic, zoric adric will be used as backups, maybe banic will get bit more min. at some point we could use bogdanovic or peric as "fake" pf





Today we looked really good for 2 and a half quarters and then Ukić got injured and our game fell apart. Midway through the second quarter we were +14 and then with 5-6 minutes left in the third we were +11 but like I said, Ukić rolled his ankle after going for a spectacular dunk and the Lithuanians started shooting the three ball at will. I haven't seen the stats but it felt like they went at 70% for the last 15 minutes of the match. Amazing.



Ante Tomić is great offensively even if he isn't physically developed just yet. He has a great baby hook and can finish with either hand. He's also a good passer and can find the open man on the perimeter. However, defensively he is a bit of a liability and he doesn't attack the boards like he should. When he fixes these weaknesses he will be a complete player and without doubt one of the best C's in Europe.

2.18/7'2", 1987, Dubrovnik, Real Madrid

Krešimir Lončar is a solid player, almost perfect back-up C for us. In this tournament he will have to play more minutes than is ideal and will have to play some at PF, too. He's a good defender but not overly athletic. He's decent on the low post, he has a turnaround jumper that he likes to hit from 8-10 feet. He can also hit the 3 pointer if left open.

2.10/6'11", 1983, Split, BC Khimki

Marko Banić is a slightly undersized power forward whose biggest weapons are his intelligence and mid-range jumper. He's not very agile and he can't jump too high but he thinks his way through the game. He will definitely play big minutes for Croatia.

2.04/6'8", 1984, Zadar, Bizkaia Bilbao

Luka Žorić is a C-PF whose biggest strength is his athleticism and willingness to attack the boards. He doesn't have too many offensive weapons but he's a decent defender. He'll play some minutes at PF.

2.08/6'10", 1984, Zadar, KK Zagreb

Lukša Andrić is another C-PF who has decent mobility and can run the floor pretty well. He occasionally likes to put the ball on the floor but he can also make some fundamental errors. His low post game is decent but he will struggle to get position on the bigger, better PF's and C's at the World Championships. Other than that his passing is OK, he can hit the mid range shot and occasionally will surprise the opposition with a three pointer. Defensivey he is very frustrating because he's the kind of guy who can pick up a bunch of fouls quickly.

2.10/6'11", 1985, Dubrovnik, Galatasaray

I think the spread of minutes will be something like this:

Banić (20) - Žorić (10) - Lončar (10)
Tomić (25) - Lončar (10) - Andrić (5)

thank you for the in-depth and detailed information on your 4/5 positions, executing in the paint would be quite challenging for the opponents, probably similar to penetrating the iron curtain during the Tito era :)
I was trying to assess the match-up between Croatia and Iran's 4&5 players, We have Hamed Haddadi who probably has the size, skills and experience to deal with Tomić and he will probably be in for most of the game, which is a huge disadvantage, but our PFs are rather small 2.02.
anyway, I am hoping for a nice, entertaining game and hopefully the outcome for Iran would be better this time around compared to the 2008 Olympic games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics_-_Men#IRI-CRO)

Kotarac
08-16-2010, 09:58 AM
thank you for the in-depth and detailed information on your 4/5 positions, executing in the paint would be quite challenging for the opponents, probably similar to penetrating the iron curtain during the Tito era

The stronger teams won't struggle too much, for example, Greece really destroyed us last week in a preparation game. Bourousis had a field day.


I was trying to assess the match-up between Croatia and Iran's 4&5 players We have Hamed Haddadi who probably has the size, skills and experience to deal with Tomić and he will probably be in for most of the game, which is a huge disadvantage, but our PFs are rather small 2.02.

Haddadi has the size and strength to match Tomić but he will have to produce on offence, too. Either way it should be interesting.


anyway, I am hoping for a nice, entertaining game and hopefully the outcome for Iran would be better this time around compared to the 2008 Olympic games

:)

We both want to win but if it's a good, correct game I think that's most important. Put it this way, neither one of us will be taking a medal. :D

Oshafaamri
08-16-2010, 12:08 PM
Guys Would you tell us about Croatia Friendly Toruney which will be held starting from Next Friday ?!

Where Can we watch the Games , Schedule ...etc

Thanks ahead :)

pohani komarac
08-16-2010, 04:49 PM
when it comes to our national TV i'm always pesimistic about potental broadcast. so far nothing in shedule

Buran
08-16-2010, 07:37 PM
Haddadi has the size and strength to match Tomić but he will have to produce on offence, too. Either way it should be interesting.

I think it would be hard for him to do much and they will probably end up neutralizing one another unless one of them has an exceptional day, and they might even foul out (chances are higher for Haddadi to foul-out since he will probably play for most of the game).




We both want to win but if it's a good, correct game I think that's most important. Put it this way, neither one of us will be taking a medal. :D

I'm not expecting Iran to win (it would be great if it happens!), but as an Iranian fan I'm hoping to at least see a more respectable loss compared to the 2008 Olympic games.

Oshafaamri
08-18-2010, 09:34 PM
4th Croatia International Tournament Schedule - Aug 18, 2010 (by Omar Shafaamri)

A Press Conference held Today in Zadar City for Croatia International Basketball Tournament which will be played in the Hall of Kresimir Cosic Recreation Centre between 20-22 August with the participation of Croatia , New Zealand , Jordan And Russia .
The Participating Teams prepares for the upcoming FIBA World Championship in Turkey Starting from the 28th of August 2010

Games Schedule :

20/08/2010
18.30 New Zealand - Russia
21.00 Croatia - Jordan

21/08/2010
18.30 Russia - Jordan
21.00 Croatia - New Zealand

08/22/2010
18.30 Jordan - New Zealand
21.00 Croatia - Russia

*GMT +2

http://www.eurobasket.com/World-Championships/basketball.asp?NewsID=200905

pohani komarac
08-19-2010, 02:27 PM
there will be live streams of croatian games (free and leagal) here. don't know for other games

http://www.tikilive.com/show/svjetski-kup-2010/

Kotarac
08-20-2010, 06:26 PM
Croatia's first opponent is NZ, not Jordan.

Oshafaamri
08-20-2010, 08:45 PM
Russia Won Jordan 83-63 :)
Good Start despite the loss

zainonly
08-21-2010, 09:14 PM
Russia Won Jordan 83-63 :)
Good Start despite the loss

good game against Croatia 75-85 for Cro

pohani komarac
08-21-2010, 09:38 PM
good game against Croatia 75-85 for Cro

big respect for Jordan:). If refs didn't help us you could win game

This is my first ever look at Jordan and I thik most of players have high talent level, they probabley miss beter tactical level trough their development. I realy think if some of this players have been trough some euro team trainig proces would play very high level basketball

SOLO
08-21-2010, 09:51 PM
big respect for Jordan:). If refs didn't help us you could win game

This is my first ever look at Jordan and I thik most of players have high talent level, they probabley miss beter tactical level trough their development. I realy think if some of this players have been trough some euro team trainig proces would play very high level basketball

Thanks Pohani :)
We lost against one of the best 10 National Teams in the World with a small margin and showed our game , so it is good for us ...we are coming to World championship to Show the World that we are capable to play high level basketball ;)

plus the referees , your team is a 3pointer shooting machine :eek:

Kotarac
08-22-2010, 06:51 PM
I know there is still one game to play before our preparations are over but I think I've seen enough over the last 3 weeks to make an assessment of our team for this World Championship.

I don't think there is too much dispute over who should be our starting five:

------------------------------Ukić--------------------------------
---------------Tomas---------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------Tomić-----------------------
---------------------Lončar---------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------Bogdanović-----------

Rotations and minutes:

PG - Ukić is our best point guard and it is not even close. Without him we have looked funny, a guy like Stipčević is simply not good enough while Popović has too many holes in his game to take the role for an extended period. I'd rest Ukić with Planinić, who when fully fit and switched on can be a good playmaker. Even thinking about giving Kus the ball makes me squirm in my chair.

Ukić (30 min), Planinić (10)

SG - Tomas is probably not ideal but I think overall he is out best option. I think he lacks a bit consistency in his shooting but he can put together some good performances. His defence is good and he runs the floor as good as anyone on our team so he is a lock. Popović should get some minutes in this spot because above all else he is a shooter. I'd be very disappointed if we didn't run some plays looking for Pop to get open. He lacks size and speed/strength to guard almost anyone so his minutes should be reduced but he can still be important for us. In some combinations I would imagine Bogdanović and even Planinić could play in this spot.

Tomas (20 min), Popović (10-15), Bogdanović (5-10)

C - Tomić has to play a lot of minutes and stay out of any kind of trouble if we're going to compete with the better teams here (especially in the crucial preliminary round games against Slovenija and Brazil). In the prep games I haven't seen enough focus on getting the ball to Tomić inside and we haven't really developed the pick to too much effect. Perhaps this is being "kept secret" for the tournament? Lončar should pick up the minutes that Tomić spends resting.

Tomić (30 min), Lončar (10)

PF - Lončar or Banić to start is not really important, I think both will play same minutes. I like Lončar more because of his size and he looks like he has really developed a decent outside game. His defence is sound. Banić is a smart, effective player who will do a job but he lacks the quickness and athleticism to go with the top big men. Žorić can play some minutes here thanks to his athleticism and ability to run the floor. I imagine there will be moments in games where he will come in handy.

Lončar (15 min), Banić (15), Žorić (10)

SF - I really like Bogdanović for this spot even if his form has tapered off a little (he was OK again against Jordan) since his debut games against Italy. If he's shooting well and switched on defensively he will be really valuable. Tomas will spend some time here but not as much as in previous summers with the national team. Planinić can also play here and has done so with some effect in the past, I don't know if his body will take playing 15-20 minutes a night but we will see. Perić is another possibility but to me he hasn't shown much in preparations.

Bogdanović (20 mins), Tomas (15), Planinić/Perić (5)

Tomas, 35 minutes
Ukić, 30 minutes
Tomić, 30 minutes
Bogdanović, 25-30 minutes
Lončar, 25 minutes
Banić, 15 minutes
Popović, 10-15 minutes
Planinić, 10-15 minutes
Žorić, 10 minutes
Perić, 5 minutes
Andrić n/a
Kus n/a

SparrowHawk
08-23-2010, 10:16 AM
Croatian NT does lack of depth. You are in a maybe hardest group, I expect you to go through easy, but it will be interesting to see who will take 2.-4. places.

Ukic, Tomic and Tomas are very good players, who could make a difference, the rest not so much. I think that your starting five will hold good, but when some of this 3 players I mentioned is not playing you will have serious problems.
I expect that you show up well in the group, maybe avoid the 4. place, on freshness, because Slovenia is not in a great form, and Brazil have injury problems, so you could surprise one of them, but I think that 1/8 is your expected result.

Why is not Kasun in your NT?

baldur
08-23-2010, 11:18 AM
Croatian NT does lack of depth. You are in a maybe hardest group, I expect you to go through easy, but it will be interesting to see who will take 2.-4. places.

Ukic, Tomic and Tomas are very good players, who could make a difference, the rest not so much. I think that your starting five will hold good, but when some of this 3 players I mentioned is not playing you will have serious problems.
I expect that you show up well in the group, maybe avoid the 4. place, on freshness, because Slovenia is not in a great form, and Brazil have injury problems, so you could surprise one of them, but I think that 1/8 is your expected result.

Why is not Kasun in your NT?

beacuse this year kasun didn't perform well in efes pilsen. he is not old kasun. maybe. kresimir loncar and ante tomic are good as kasun and they are more fit than kasun. this is my thoughts of course:)

SparrowHawk
08-23-2010, 12:00 PM
beacuse this year kasun didn't perform well in efes pilsen. he is not old kasun. maybe. kresimir loncar and ante tomic are good as kasun and they are more fit than kasun. this is my thoughts of course:)

Yes, I agree that he had a poor season in Efes, but still not even as a third C?
I mean, Tomic is very good player, and he could become a great one, he is of course a first C in Croatian NT, but he is still inexperienced one, he played less than 10 EL games, and only half a season in ACB. Loncar is good as a back up, but still very limited player, so I don't see why not there is no room for at least 5-10min. for Kasun.

pohani komarac
08-23-2010, 06:46 PM
Tomic only problem is when he meets strong, athletic big man like Kasun, Bourussis or Mozgov who eated him

we will defenetley miss one kasun type of big, but others can do job solid besides when tomic and banic are paired. zoric defenetley needs to play more min. then in preparations

planinic most likley won't be ready

tough our only goal should stay to show good basketball and develop team for future

Picek
08-23-2010, 07:20 PM
Why is not Kasun in your NT?he decided to end his NT career after last years EC..

LaNaranjaBasket
08-23-2010, 09:43 PM
Is the official roster known yet?

pohani komarac
08-24-2010, 04:13 PM
still no final 12

pasalic is surley out, while joke still waits planinic. if he will be fit stipcevic is out, but planinic most likley won't be ready

Kotarac
08-24-2010, 04:14 PM
Is the official roster known yet?

Not yet, I think coach Vranković already has his 12 players decided but it is waiting to see what level of fitness Planinić will reach. Anyway, if Planinić doesn't make it Stipčević will step in.

Roko Ukić, PG, 25 yrs, 196cm, Split (Fenerbache, Turkey)
Davor Kus, PG/SG, 32 yrs, 191cm, Rijeka (no club)
Marko Popović, PG/SG, 28 yrs, 185cm, Zadar (UNICS Kazan, Russia)
Zoran Planinić, PG/SG/SF, 27 yrs, 201cm, Mostar (BC Khimki, Russia)
Marko Tomas, SG/SF, 25 yrs, 201cm, Koprivnica (Fenerbahce, Turkey)
Bojan Bogdanović, SF, 21 yrs, 202cm, Mostar (Cibona Zagreb, Croatia)
Hrvoje Perić, SF, 24 yrs, 203cm, Dubrovnik (Unicaja Malaga, Spain)
Marko Banić, PF, 25 yrs, 205cm, Zadar (Iurbentia Bilbao, Spain)
Luka Žorić, PF/C, 25 yrs, 208cm, Zadar (KK Zagreb, Croatia)
Lukša Andrić, C/PF, 25 yrs, 210cm, Dubrovnik (Galatasaray, Turkey)
Krešimir Lončar, C/PF, 25 yrs, 210cm, Split (BC Khimki, Russia)
Ante Tomić, C, 23 yrs, 218cm, Dubrovnik (Real Madrid, Spain)

Rok Stipčević, PG, 24 yrs, 186cm, Maribor (Cibona Zagreb, Croatia)
Drago Pašalić, PF/C, 26 yrs, 209cm, Split (Cibona Zagreb, Croatia)

Average age: 25.4 yrs
Average height: 202.5cm
Players in first major tournament: 5 (Bogdanović, Perić, Žorić, Andrić, Tomić)

*12 man roster only

LaNaranjaBasket
08-24-2010, 05:01 PM
I have seen like 3 preparation games from Croatia. I really like Stipčević... maybe I had luck watching games in where he performed well, but I saw a very good 3 point shooter and an intense defender. Do you agree? What are the weaknesses of his game?

Also I liked a lot Bogdanovic, Loncar and Banic, while Tomic its very over-rated at least, at this point of his career (you can tell he has all the talent in the world, but VERY raw).

pohani komarac
08-24-2010, 06:55 PM
Tomic isn't raw, Tomic siply missing strenght and is prety soft and unagresive on defense. Tomic does things what only reare players of his size does, and when he is in shape he does that with great %.

Stipcevic trys a lot and is hard worker, but just doesn't have talent and natrual insticts. When he is presured he needs 2-3 screans to bring ball up to court and needs a lot to prepare plays, lot of time to beat defense or to read defense. He is only useful for pick and only if he is not matching agresive defense

Picek
08-24-2010, 07:14 PM
Roko Ukić, PG, 25 yrs, 196cm, Split (Fenerbache, Turkey)
Davor Kus, PG/SG, 32 yrs, 191cm, Rijeka (no club)
Marko Popović, PG/SG, 28 yrs, 185cm, Zadar (UNICS Kazan, Russia)
Zoran Planinić, PG/SG/SF, 27 yrs, 201cm, Mostar (BC Khimki, Russia)
Marko Tomas, SG/SF, 25 yrs, 201cm, Koprivnica (Fenerbahce, Turkey)
Bojan Bogdanović, SF, 21 yrs, 202cm, Mostar (Cibona Zagreb, Croatia)
Hrvoje Perić, SF, 24 yrs, 203cm, Dubrovnik (Unicaja Malaga, Spain)
Marko Banić, PF, 25 yrs, 205cm, Zadar (Iurbentia Bilbao, Spain)
Luka Žorić, PF/C, 25 yrs, 208cm, Zadar (KK Zagreb, Croatia)
Lukša Andrić, C/PF, 25 yrs, 210cm, Dubrovnik (Galatasaray, Turkey)
Krešimir Lončar, C/PF, 25 yrs, 210cm, Split (BC Khimki, Russia)
Ante Tomić, C, 23 yrs, 218cm, Dubrovnik (Real Madrid, Spain)

I also believe he will take Planinić even if he is not even close to his best form..
considering how he played for NT in the past maybe that can be a good thing :p
if we pass through the first round he will have enough time to get into somekind of shape to play 10-15 minutes per game..
and he is more experienced then Stipčević, considering we have so many newbies on the team that is an important factor..

cardenales
08-24-2010, 08:29 PM
This is a very tall team. USA, should be very careful with Croatia cause it is a good team even know people including myself believe that this team has not reach their prime.

pohani komarac
08-25-2010, 03:28 PM
peric and pasalic out. we are going on wc with 5 half pg:rolleyes:

Kotarac
08-25-2010, 06:52 PM
peric and pasalic out. we are going on wc with 5 half pg:rolleyes:

I don't understand this thinking by Joke. I know Perić has missed some preparation because of injury and sickness but what is he thinking Stipčević and injured Planinić will give the team?

LaNaranjaBasket, I will add my opinion also on the Stipčević question. He is an excellent outside shooter but like pohani said he needs 3 screens to bring the ball up court and does not have the ability to get to the basket against good opposition. If he is running the point against anyone other than Tunisia and Iran we will get thrashed because it takes him too long to recognise the defensive movement and more importantly to get our offence going. He would be more focused on his dribble (yes, it is that sad). I don't know if you watched him against Greece in the Love Cyprus tourney but Calathes (a very good player, but Greece's back up) killed him even if Stipčević was very active and intense. Simply, he has too many weaknesses (size, strength, IQ). In that game Diamantidis was even taking Ukić to the low post and getting in scoring positions very easily, I can't imagine what these good teams (and coaches) would do to Stipčević.

Stipčević is basically another one of our combo guards who is not talented enough to be really effective at international level.


This is a very tall team. USA, should be very careful with Croatia cause it is a good team even know people including myself believe that this team has not reach their prime.

It is a tall team but it lacks height at the 2 spot which could be a problem when Tomas is resting. That's why I was thinking Perić is going to Turkey for sure since Bogdanović can also play 2 spot but our coach is thinking differently. Hopefully he knows what he is doing. :D

Kotarac
08-25-2010, 07:00 PM
This is a very tall team. USA, should be very careful with Croatia cause it is a good team even know people including myself believe that this team has not reach their prime.

This current team is in "transition phase". In last few years we have started to achieve better results (qualification for Beijing and WC) but have not really brought in much young talent.

Some people are blaming the previous coach Jasko Repeša but reality is we had really poor 1986, 1987, 1988 and 1989 generations. Before last season only Ante Tomić maybe deserved to get called up to senior squad and this year that happened (along with Bogdanović from '89 generation). Stanko Barać ('86) was the only exception.

In next couple of years it would be crime if we didn't have some new faces from 1990-91 generation come into the squad to complement the new faces that have come in this year. After that we have successful 1994 generation to look at which will hopefully produce one special player and a couple of really good ones.

Of course, in the meantime we are hoping someone from less successful generations surprises and makes an impact in senior basketball. It usually happens that one of these guys comes through.

Picek
08-26-2010, 04:30 AM
I don't understand this thinking by Joke. I know Perić has missed some preparation because of injury and sickness but what is he thinking Stipčević and injured Planinić will give the team?

well it is not like Perić would give us anything new..
he played bad in the preps..
we all know how bad shooter he is, his defense wasn't at his best either..
with Bogdanović as lock for SF position we also have Tomas and even Planinić if Vranković decides to play with three guards..

pohani komarac
08-26-2010, 09:55 AM
well it is not like Perić would give us anything new..
he played bad in the preps..we all know how bad shooter he is, his defense wasn't at his best either..
with Bogdanović as lock for SF position we also have Tomas and even Planinić if Vranković decides to play with three guards..


if joke knew how to use peric we would get extra tactical option with him because he is oposite type of sf then bogdanovic. peric played bad because he played off the ball whille he needs ball to be efective. when our main creators ukic, tomas, tomic are off he could give us creation and it would be harder for other teams to deal with us and now we lost extra option.

if i ever had doubts than joke might become good coach, now i'm sure he won't. as untalented sf he was, he simpley doesn't know how to use some taleted sf with sense for the game. even shooter type of sf bogdanovic is not used to maximum. he only knows to use him how his coaches used him back when he was player. standing around, making screans and shoting whille unlike joke bouth bogdanovic and peric have talent for more

sagenas
08-26-2010, 11:17 AM
How's about Stipčevič? Does he have some role in team? I haven't seen him playing against Lithuania in tournament in Bamberg. Last year he seemed very interesting player. :)

pohani komarac
08-26-2010, 04:00 PM
his role will depend on ukic and planinic recovrey.

Kotarac
08-26-2010, 05:04 PM
well it is not like Perić would give us anything new..
he played bad in the preps..
we all know how bad shooter he is, his defense wasn't at his best either..
with Bogdanović as lock for SF position we also have Tomas and even Planinić if Vranković decides to play with three guards..

Perić wasn't good in pripreme but like pohani says he offers versatility and contrast to Bojan. I don't know if Bogdanović is lock for SF position now that we have so many guards in the roster. What if Joke is thinking of using Tomas now as SF and Popović and Kus as permanent SG with some sort of combination of Ukić, Planinić and Tomas rotating through there for some small minutes? Anything is possible with Joke and he showed he has no real imagination in coaching. I'm sure a good coach would take Perić and leave the injured players home.

SparrowHawk
08-26-2010, 05:50 PM
Tomas will have to play 30-35min. per game, combined as SG/SF. Bogdanovic is maybe a talent, but for me he is way overrated at this point.

Beva
08-26-2010, 07:13 PM
Tomas will have to play 30-35min. per game, combined as SG/SF. Bogdanovic is maybe a talent, but for me he is way overrated at this point.

Bogdanović played better than Tomas in preps, he's a great defender so he needs to play at least 25+ minutes per game... The ideal thing is him and Tomas playing together on 2-3 spots... Cause, Bojan is better than Kus by any means, better defensively and taller than Popović, better than injured Planinić...

Btw, people may have said same thing for some serbian youngsters last summer, and you saw how that ended ;) Bogdanović is great player, you'll see...

Picek
08-26-2010, 08:08 PM
peric played bad because he played off the ball whille he needs ball to be efective. when our main creators ukic, tomas, tomic are off he could give us creation and it would be harder for other teams to deal with us and now we lost extra option.
eyou don't need the ball in defence..
he sucked there as well as in offense..

pohani komarac
08-26-2010, 08:11 PM
Tomas will have to play 30-35min. per game, combined as SG/SF. Bogdanovic is maybe a talent, but for me he is way overrated at this point.

they need to play together for at least 20min. and rest of time always must be one of them on court. they fit great to eachother, whille our coaches must stop experiment 2-3 pg on court at same time

Kotarac
08-26-2010, 08:20 PM
you don't need the ball in defence..
he sucked there as well as in offense..

To be fair other players sucked during different stages of preparations as well. For example if someone saw just Tomić's game against Russia they would say he is overrated.

Kotarac
08-26-2010, 08:22 PM
I hope there isn't too much expectation on Bogdanović for this tournament. He can produce but if he doesn't people should lay off him and not become too critical. He's only 21 and this tourney is his first step into international basketball.

pohani komarac
08-26-2010, 08:22 PM
you don't need the ball in defence..
he sucked there as well as in offense..

but he needs ball to bring something "new" to us like repesa and you like to say. he is most crative player we have at the moment besides youngsters prostran and saric, and coach who understands basketball would new how to use him as "extra" tacticall option as point forward. but joke just knows to use sf a+in way he played. all of our plays were made by kukoc in short period when he was there, no single change from italy game. + rest of guys not named tomas, zoric and loncar sucked in defense to whille neither of those guys were superb at defense.

Kotarac
08-29-2010, 04:25 AM
OK, we forget quickly the USA game. :D