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rikhardur
08-25-2009, 03:52 PM
Previous thread is here (http://forums.interbasket.net/f32/sbp-long-term-national-team-pool-10297/).

OjiesIII
08-25-2009, 04:54 PM
Giles stint in PBA Philippine Cup in question
Sports
Written by Joel Orellana / Reporter
Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:42

THE Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) opens its 35th season with the Philippine Cup in October but questions have been raised as to whether guest team Smart-Gilas could field its American reinforcement CJ Giles.

According to incoming board chairman Lito Alvarez of Burger King, the board agreed during a meeting in Tagaytay City recently that Smart-Gilas’s games in the Philippine Cup will count just the same as the regular squads, meaning the Rajko Toroman-coached team could bring home the trophy.

Alvarez hopes to clarify the issue when the executive committee convenes on Wednesday.

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is hoping to include Giles, who once played for the Los Angeles Lakers, in the national squad as a naturalized player. For now, he remains an American and thus, ineligible for the Philippine Cup.

“If Giles is really part of the program because they will be joining a tournament this year, I think walang problema sa akin. And we want to clarify that to the board if they will allow Giles to play kasi nga All-Filipino tayo,” Alvarez told the BusinessMirror.

Originally, the plan was for Smart-Gilas to only play tune-up games against the PBA teams and the results of its games will have no bearing in the team standings.

“It’s like playing against a team with an American import. Hopefully, we can validate this matter to the board. Kasi for sure, hindi aabot ang naturalization niya kasi October na ang All-Filipino,” he said.

“We want to know from the SBP of its plans like kung may tournament ba silang sasalihan this year because [as]I understand, one-year contract ang pipirmahan niya sa SBP.”

According to SBP executive director Noli Eala, the federation is close to signing the 22-year-old Giles to a one-year contract but his stint with the Philippine team for the 2011 Asian qualifier for the Olympics still depends on his performance and on-and-off the court behavior.

Giles, who will arrive on September 1, is a former first-round selection of the Lakers in the National Basketball Association and played for the Smart-Gilas team in the International Basketball Federation (Fiba)-Asia Champions Cup in Jakarta in June where the team finished a decent fifth.

Talk ’N Text is the defending champion in the All-Filipino tournament. Curiously, the team is owned by Manny V. Pangilinan, also the president of SBP.

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C'mon let him play!!! its for our national team anyways!!:D

OjiesIII
08-25-2009, 04:56 PM
Realities of international competitions
Sports
Written by Ask Coach E / Eric Altamirano / altamiranohoops@yahoo.com
Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:38

THERE is a certain focus needed in forming a team for international competitions. Members of the Powerade-Team Pilipinas knew of this and could have fared better than the eighth place it garnered in the recent International Basketball Federation (Fiba)-Asia Men’s Championships in Tianjin, China.

In an earlier piece, I wrote about outside shooting—among other things—one of the important aspects in international basketball competitions. On hindsight, however, the bonding of the team is also very important.

Some of the former Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) players said the Smart-Gilas team under coach Rajko Toroman is the best way to go with most of its players tied up with the team for a number of years without the prospect of taking the lure of the PBA.

Guys like JV Casio, Dylan Ababou, Rabeh al-Hussaini, Mark Barroca and Chris Tiu are gaining international experience that any serious basketball player is willing to pay for. The Smart-Gilas program is akin to the NCC program under coach Ron Jacobs and under the stewardship of San Miguel Corp. chairman Eduardo “Danding” Cojuangco Jr.Being a collegiate player in the 1980s, I know that the NCC players practically ate, slept and dreamt about basketball and played basketball together. A term for that in local parlance is amuyan. It’s practically know how your teammates play, their tendencies and where they are going to be at the right place at the right time even if you are blindfolded.

Coach Yeng Guiao and his team did their very best under the circumstances and they gave a lot of teams a run for their money given the limited preparations. Do imagine if they had a lot more time to focus and didn’t have the upcoming PBA season to think about.

On the other hand, the Smart-Gilas team has that luxury. Some of the players may still play for their schools in the University Athletic Association of the Philippines and the National Collegiate Athletic Association, but these are not as taxing as being in the PBA because the season lasts only for a few months.

Now that it is Toroman’s time, the Filipinos will soon find out how a cohesive team that prepared close to the NCC program would fare in international competitions. Add to that a naturalized player to plug the weak spots as being envisioned by the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, headed by executive director Noli Eala and chairman Manny Pangilinan.

And when these players end their tour of duty, imagine the bumper crop who will join the PBA in the coming years, which could possibly rival the list of rookies that entered the draft in the late 1980s to the early 1990s.

I remember this prospect of cohesion in the case of the Nokia RP U16 team, which is preparing for the Fiba championships in November in Malaysia. With the players focusing with the varsity teams and returning to practice a few weeks later, scrimmages aimed at achieving cohesion go back to square one.

But I believe that the juniors team was already formed earlier that it has the ability to gain back its cohesion given a few more weeks before the tournament.

cod3breaker
08-25-2009, 05:47 PM
Giles stint in PBA Philippine Cup in question
Sports
Written by Joel Orellana / Reporter
Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:42

THE Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) opens its 35th season with the Philippine Cup in October but questions have been raised as to whether guest team Smart-Gilas could field its American reinforcement CJ Giles.

According to incoming board chairman Lito Alvarez of Burger King, the board agreed during a meeting in Tagaytay City recently that Smart-Gilas’s games in the Philippine Cup will count just the same as the regular squads, meaning the Rajko Toroman-coached team could bring home the trophy.

Alvarez hopes to clarify the issue when the executive committee convenes on Wednesday.

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is hoping to include Giles, who once played for the Los Angeles Lakers, in the national squad as a naturalized player. For now, he remains an American and thus, ineligible for the Philippine Cup.

“If Giles is really part of the program because they will be joining a tournament this year, I think walang problema sa akin. And we want to clarify that to the board if they will allow Giles to play kasi nga All-Filipino tayo,” Alvarez told the BusinessMirror.

Originally, the plan was for Smart-Gilas to only play tune-up games against the PBA teams and the results of its games will have no bearing in the team standings.

“It’s like playing against a team with an American import. Hopefully, we can validate this matter to the board. Kasi for sure, hindi aabot ang naturalization niya kasi October na ang All-Filipino,” he said.

“We want to know from the SBP of its plans like kung may tournament ba silang sasalihan this year because [as]I understand, one-year contract ang pipirmahan niya sa SBP.”

According to SBP executive director Noli Eala, the federation is close to signing the 22-year-old Giles to a one-year contract but his stint with the Philippine team for the 2011 Asian qualifier for the Olympics still depends on his performance and on-and-off the court behavior.

Giles, who will arrive on September 1, is a former first-round selection of the Lakers in the National Basketball Association and played for the Smart-Gilas team in the International Basketball Federation (Fiba)-Asia Champions Cup in Jakarta in June where the team finished a decent fifth.

Talk ’N Text is the defending champion in the All-Filipino tournament. Curiously, the team is owned by Manny V. Pangilinan, also the president of SBP.

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C'mon let him play!!! its for our national team anyways!!:D

Coach Kalbo will not be in favor for Giles to play in the PBA for Smart Gilas. It will lessen his chances of winning the crown for this conference. :D

OjiesIII
08-25-2009, 08:20 PM
Coach Kalbo will not be in favor for Giles to play in the PBA for Smart Gilas. It will lessen his chances of winning the crown for this conference. :D

yeah!! heheh and if cj giles will suit up for the smart-gilas they will demolished all those teams in the PBA.. especially burger king..:D:D

Butata
08-26-2009, 12:10 AM
Paul lee is getting a lot of touches right now that is why he is being mention a lot this days.. but honestly Elmer Espiritu should be given more credit than him.. we can develop Espiritu 6'3" to Shooting Guard and Small forward.. not bad??

I agree 100%...I even think Espiritu is better than Guevarra or Baracael with his defense and he has the swagger that we need in international competitions...anybody saw the UE-FEU game recently?...I just wonder why Toroman never ever considers this guy. :confused::confused::confused:

reamily
08-26-2009, 12:31 AM
I agree 100%...I even think Espiritu is better than Guevarra or Baracael with his defense and he has the swagger that we need in international competitions...anybody saw the UE-FEU game recently?...I just wonder why Toroman never ever considers this guy. :confused::confused::confused:

One Dimensional Bro

reamily
08-26-2009, 12:35 AM
And I think Giles not included inthe lineup maybe a blessing in Disguise having Greg and Junmar handle some responsibility let them lose first but if they play Ballesteros out there then let Giles play now:D:D:D:D:D

KevinDurant
08-26-2009, 02:01 AM
Yeah, All Filipino.."tayo-tayo" mentality:rolleyes:..this will help improve the level of play here in the Phils.

Why not allow Giles?? Yes, their win-loss record will be counted but they won't be in the playoffs anyway..PBA teams will still slug it out for the title. It won't hurt for the PBA teams to play against a squad with a 6'11" guy. It's actually a help to improve the players.

patay-butiki
08-26-2009, 02:21 AM
I agree 100%...I even think Espiritu is better than Guevarra or Baracael with his defense and he has the swagger that we need in international competitions...anybody saw the UE-FEU game recently?...I just wonder why Toroman never ever considers this guy. :confused::confused::confused:

espiritu plays PF. I think it will be difficult for him to shift to SG-SF.

he's just another undersized big man. on the other hand, guevarra and baracaeil are tall, athletic natural SG-SF's.

alien space bats
08-26-2009, 02:28 AM
Yeah, All Filipino.."tayo-tayo" mentality:rolleyes:..this will help improve the level of play here in the Phils.

Why not allow Giles?? Yes, their win-loss record will be counted but they won't be in the playoffs anyway..PBA teams will still slug it out for the title. It won't hurt for the PBA teams to play against a squad with a 6'11" guy. It's actually a help to improve the players.

pls tell this to the PBA fans who act like old dogs that can never be taught new tricks. PBA and SOME of its fans (trans: not all fans) behave as if they're afraid of getting doused with some water. parang aso talaga.. (old dogs)

KevinDurant
08-26-2009, 02:34 AM
The entertainment part of it hurts us to the point that it impedes the development of our players. The level/quality of our play has become stagnant.

D_I_A
08-26-2009, 02:51 AM
The entertainment part of it hurts us to the point that it impedes the development of our players. The level/quality of our play has become stagnant.

because they love watching it at boob tubes than live where they can see it much closer and in the open.

some fans are contented with pba individualistic plays but doesn't want to see the boring team plays which is much needed in international stints.

Lebron23
08-26-2009, 02:57 AM
Love to see 6'7" Aldrech Ramos play in the Philippine Cup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFSqwL5bjd4

TrueBluePinoy
08-26-2009, 03:02 AM
I want to see Lazy bone Marlou Aquino get schooled!!

Lebron23
08-26-2009, 03:19 AM
I want to see Lazy bone Marlou Aquino get schooled!!


Well

Marlou Aquino is 38 yrs.old. I think he should retire next year.

I was a fan of Aquino when he played for Ginebra, but he became a very lazy player after the 2003 PBA Season.

OjiesIII
08-26-2009, 05:11 AM
Well

Marlou Aquino is 38 yrs.old. I think he should retire next year.

I was a fan of Aquino when he played for Ginebra, but he became a very lazy player after the 2003 PBA Season.

Me too.. he use to be very very good player. but when he and espino team up in sta.lucia he become a like espino who is very very lazy... :D

rensquared
08-26-2009, 05:14 AM
Me too.. he use to be very very good player. but when he and espino team up in sta.lucia he become a like espino who is very very lazy... :D


Same here. I WAS an avid fan of Marlou Aquino. But, when he declined to join the NT, I became the exact opposite of being a fan of him.

Such pathetic reasons to turn your back on your country.

rBd1004
08-26-2009, 05:17 AM
Coach, SBP exec optimistic about Gilas’ shot at Olympic berth
08/26/2009 | 12:09 PM

Daunting the task may be, but Smart-Gilas Pilipinas coach Rajko Toroman is optimistic about his team’s chances of earning the lone berth at stake for Asia in the 2012 London Olympics.

“It’s not going to be easy, but we have to believe that we can do that (qualify for the Olympics)," said Toroman, whose young wards are preparing for the 2011 FIBA-Asia men's championship that serves as qualifier for the London Games.

"In the beginning it may be painful, we will lose some games, we will be sacrificing, we will be going through some difficult situations. But in the end, our goal is 2011 (FIBA-Asia meet) and we will do everything to put things together," he added.

Along with Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive director Noli Eala, Toroman scouted the opposition during the last FIBA-Asia championship in Tianjin, China and noted that besides the host team, the Middle East countries, specifically Jordan, Lebanon and Iran, a squad he used to coach in the past, have slowly risen as emerging powers in Asian basketball.

The Iranians, now handled by another Serbian in Veselin Matic, routed Yi Jianlian and the Chinese national team, 70-52, in the championship game to retain their title.

“You saw that the competition was very strong in China. So it’s difficult now to judge about our chances," said Toroman, the architect of Iran’s rise to power in Asian basketball.

But Eala saw something positive in Iran’s big win over a country long been considered as the best in Asia.

“I think the biggest thing that gave me hope was when Iran beat China in their homecourt. If you look at Iran, it’s no bigger than us, except maybe for (center) Hamed Ehahadi who’s really the focal point. But everyone else, I guess, is comparable to us.

“But it’s not so much the height and the size of Iran that impresses me, but it’s their look of confidence and the look that they are having fun as a team….when you look at them, it’s like they’ve been living together the past 20 years. They just seem like they know one another very well," said Eala.

Also part of Eala’s optimism is the long-term program the basketball association has implemented through the formation of the Gilas team under Toroman.

“One thing that gives me a lot of hope is the fact that we have a program. We have an honest-to-goodness program to back up our desire to win in 2011," he said.

“The program consists of an international coach who knows what it takes to win in the international arena and has got the experience and credentials to show for it," Eala said, referring to Toroman.

Outside of the program and a coach knowledgeable in the international type of play, Eala also cited the full backing of corporate sponsor Smart, exposure to a lot of games and tournaments abroad, and the commitment of the players to the team as the other key components that hopefully would help Gilas Pilipinas achieve its goal in 2011.

“With all of these ingredients together, we are hopeful, we are optimistic that we have a program that is in place," Eala said.

Then again, the SBP official reiterated that it wouldn’t be easy for the Gilas squad.

“It’s gonna be very tough. Let’s be realistic and let’s manage everybody’s expectations. It’s not a shoo-in. It’s not a matter of showing up in 2011 and winning that slot," said Eala.

The 54-year-old Toroman noted how Iran also went through the same phase when he first handled the team in 2007.

But playing together all-year-round and acquiring experiences in the international level toughened the Iranians up and made them what they are right now – a two-time FIBA-Asia champion.

“We played many international games. Do you think that it was nice to lose 25 out of those 35 games? It was very tough for me, for the players. But we just believed we were sacrificing together. We just believed that these games will give us something new and something better in the future," he said. - GMANews.TV

Alex07
08-26-2009, 06:13 AM
Coach, SBP exec optimistic about Gilas’ shot at Olympic berth
08/26/2009 | 12:09 PM

Daunting the task may be, but Smart-Gilas Pilipinas coach Rajko Toroman is optimistic about his team’s chances of earning the lone berth at stake for Asia in the 2012 London Olympics.

“It’s not going to be easy, but we have to believe that we can do that (qualify for the Olympics)," said Toroman, whose young wards are preparing for the 2011 FIBA-Asia men's championship that serves as qualifier for the London Games.

"In the beginning it may be painful, we will lose some games, we will be sacrificing, we will be going through some difficult situations. But in the end, our goal is 2011 (FIBA-Asia meet) and we will do everything to put things together," he added.

Along with Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive director Noli Eala, Toroman scouted the opposition during the last FIBA-Asia championship in Tianjin, China and noted that besides the host team, the Middle East countries, specifically Jordan, Lebanon and Iran, a squad he used to coach in the past, have slowly risen as emerging powers in Asian basketball.

The Iranians, now handled by another Serbian in Veselin Matic, routed Yi Jianlian and the Chinese national team, 70-52, in the championship game to retain their title.

“You saw that the competition was very strong in China. So it’s difficult now to judge about our chances," said Toroman, the architect of Iran’s rise to power in Asian basketball.

But Eala saw something positive in Iran’s big win over a country long been considered as the best in Asia.

“I think the biggest thing that gave me hope was when Iran beat China in their homecourt. If you look at Iran, it’s no bigger than us, except maybe for (center) Hamed Ehahadi who’s really the focal point. But everyone else, I guess, is comparable to us.

“But it’s not so much the height and the size of Iran that impresses me, but it’s their look of confidence and the look that they are having fun as a team….when you look at them, it’s like they’ve been living together the past 20 years. They just seem like they know one another very well," said Eala.

Also part of Eala’s optimism is the long-term program the basketball association has implemented through the formation of the Gilas team under Toroman.

“One thing that gives me a lot of hope is the fact that we have a program. We have an honest-to-goodness program to back up our desire to win in 2011," he said.

“The program consists of an international coach who knows what it takes to win in the international arena and has got the experience and credentials to show for it," Eala said, referring to Toroman.

Outside of the program and a coach knowledgeable in the international type of play, Eala also cited the full backing of corporate sponsor Smart, exposure to a lot of games and tournaments abroad, and the commitment of the players to the team as the other key components that hopefully would help Gilas Pilipinas achieve its goal in 2011.

“With all of these ingredients together, we are hopeful, we are optimistic that we have a program that is in place," Eala said.

Then again, the SBP official reiterated that it wouldn’t be easy for the Gilas squad.

“It’s gonna be very tough. Let’s be realistic and let’s manage everybody’s expectations. It’s not a shoo-in. It’s not a matter of showing up in 2011 and winning that slot," said Eala.

The 54-year-old Toroman noted how Iran also went through the same phase when he first handled the team in 2007.

But playing together all-year-round and acquiring experiences in the international level toughened the Iranians up and made them what they are right now – a two-time FIBA-Asia champion.

“We played many international games. Do you think that it was nice to lose 25 out of those 35 games? It was very tough for me, for the players. But we just believed we were sacrificing together. We just believed that these games will give us something new and something better in the future," he said. - GMANews.TV

I still think that we are more athletic than the Iranians the thing is we are 4-5 inches shorter.I think if we have the right guys playing the right roles and positions I think we could beat some top Asian teams.Who knows if we get the right numbers of international exposures we were looking for then we might end up better than we did this year

manfromManila05
08-26-2009, 06:30 AM
yeah!! heheh and if cj giles will suit up for the smart-gilas they will demolished all those teams in the PBA.. especially burger king..:D:D

yeah...crab mentality and pinoy pride and insecurity again...if the pba really want to help SBP they should allow giles to play,he is part of the smart gilas,he will become our naturalize player,so whats the problem??????its for our country.or maybe kalbo wants the all pilipino crown and he is scared of giles 6'11'' former la lakers...let giles play and lend norwood,dillinger and aguilar to smart gilas..and let toroman teach them how to play european type of basketball.....not the PBA brand of basketball...

shootingbwakaw
08-26-2009, 06:35 AM
I still think that we are more athletic than the Iranians the thing is we are 4-5 inches shorter.I think if we have the right guys playing the right roles and positions I think we could beat some top Asian teams.Who knows if we get the right numbers of international exposures we were looking for then we might end up better than we did this year

"better than we did this year" would be a very doable, achievable goal

ma4ma
08-26-2009, 06:35 AM
Aguilar still welcome to join RP 5, says SBP

Despite the fact that Japeth Aguilar would already suit up for Burger King in the Philippine Basketball Association, the youthful center is still welcome to join the Smart Gilas Pilipinas cage team in its international quest.

“The door is always open to anybody who likes to help the team," Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive director Noli Eala said.

Japeth Aguilar, left, slams it home while playing for the PBA-backed Team Pilipinas in the recent Jones Cup tournament in Taipei.
The Gilas team under Serbian coach Rajko Toroman is tasked to try to win the 2011 FIBA Asia men’s championship and earn the lone slot allotted for Asia in the 2012 London Olympics.

Its players, all from the amateur ranks, are committed to stay with the team for three years in the lead-up to the Olympic quest.

But since Aguilar decided to turn pro, the SBP would have to make special arrangements with the PBA and Burger King to get the services of the 6-10 slotman.

“We are going to discuss this with Japeth, his team and the PBA," Eala said. “We’re optimistic that we will get him for the RP team."

The son of former Northern Consolidated center Peter Aguilar is not new to playing for flag, having been part of the PBA-backed Powerade Team Pilipinas team that finished eighth in the last FIBA-Asia Championships in Tianjin, China.

Eala believed Aguilar would strengthen the inside game of the Smart Gilas team which has Jason Ballesteros and Greg Slaughter as frontliners.

Other members of the squad are JV Casio, Chris Tiu, Mac Baracael, Andy Mark Barroca, Aldrech Ramos, JR Cawaling, Dylan Ababou, Magi Sison, Chester Taylor and 6-11 naturalized player CJ Giles.

Eala said as part of the team’s preparations for the next 2011 FIBA Asia meet, which the Philippines is also bidding to host, Gilas would play as guest team in the PBA Philippine Cup that would open shop on October 11.

All the games of the squad would count in the team standings so that all the regular PBA teams would play the Gilas cagers seriously, according to Eala.

“We’re thankful for this opportunity. This is a great chance for us to show how Smart Gilas is improving while we play the PBA teams and give the players the much-needed exposure," he said. - GMANews.TV

Alex07
08-26-2009, 06:44 AM
I still think that even without CJ Giles the Smart Gilas team could beat some PBA teams and of course when they change the rules to Fiba rules that would favor Smart Gilas' game

Butata
08-26-2009, 07:23 AM
Aguilar still welcome to join RP 5, says SBP

Despite the fact that Japeth Aguilar would already suit up for Burger King in the Philippine Basketball Association, the youthful center is still welcome to join the Smart Gilas Pilipinas cage team in its international quest.

“The door is always open to anybody who likes to help the team," Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive director Noli Eala said.


I wonder what the guys who stuck it out with Smart Gilas will feel when Japeth Aguilar is plucked out of his PBA team to play for Gilas in international competitions. What will it do the team's morale especially the guys who will be displaced?

And on another note, why stop with Aguilar? Why not try asking Maierhoffer or Arellano or Menor if they're willing to spend their off-seasons with Gilas also?

Just asking. :)

zuma169
08-26-2009, 08:08 AM
I wonder what the guys who stuck it out with Smart Gilas will feel when Japeth Aguilar is plucked out of his PBA team to play for Gilas in international competitions. What will it do the team's morale especially the guys who will be displaced?

And on another note, why stop with Aguilar? Why not try asking Maierhoffer or Arellano or Menor if they're willing to spend their off-seasons with Gilas also?

Just asking. :)

Japeth Aguilar IS THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE!!! You know what I mean.. I think the other Smart Gilas players would still be motivated. this wouldn't affect their morale in any way because remember these players don't have BIG EGOS unlike the PBA Pros.. They can accept easily that the team needs a Japeth for them to be MORE COMPETITIVE..

And com'n guys, where can you see a pure Filipino at 6'9" (easily 6'10" with shoes) who can block shots at will against asian counterparts.. who has the athleticism of American players.. VERY VERY VERY RARE!!! that is why I am saying Japeth IS THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE..

just my opinion..

nardong_putik
08-26-2009, 08:11 AM
I wonder what the guys who stuck it out with Smart Gilas will feel when Japeth Aguilar is plucked out of his PBA team to play for Gilas in international competitions. What will it do the team's morale especially the guys who will be displaced?

And on another note, why stop with Aguilar? Why not try asking Maierhoffer or Arellano or Menor if they're willing to spend their off-seasons with Gilas also?

Just asking. :)

You can find a lot of Maierhoffer or Arellano or Menor that play the same even better but you cannot find a 6'10 Japeth Aguilar here unless its naturalized.

PUGOtipm
08-26-2009, 09:13 AM
Does the SBP still considering John Wilson to join the Gilas pool of players? The are still going after Paul Lee who is a proto-type PBA player unless he pulls a CYRUS surprise when John Wilson is a KNOCKED DOWN 3 point shooter, a very good rebounder, and a decent defender.

Big Ticket
08-26-2009, 09:44 AM
Does the SBP still considering John Wilson to join the Gilas pool of players? The are still going after Paul Lee who is a proto-type PBA player unless he pulls a CYRUS surprise when John Wilson is a KNOCKED DOWN 3 point shooter, a very good rebounder, and a decent defender.

what can wilson do that chris tiu, jayvee casio or chris lutz can't do?

if people here don't like paul lee's shot selection, wilson's shot selection is suspect too....though he could have games wherein he's really hot just like today (48 pts on 9/17 3-pt shooting)...

KevinDurant
08-26-2009, 09:48 AM
maybe kalbo wants the all pilipino crown and he is scared of giles 6'11'' former la lakers

Gilas won't play in the playoffs. However their win-loss record against PBA teams will be counted.

I think they are too concerned with the term "All Filipino". But as I have posted the Smart team won't play in the playoffs. Isn't CJ a part of "Team Pilipinas"?

The PBA must understand that Giles need to jell with his teammates. They must let him play. This is one help they can give to the NT.

As for the entertainment side, a Giles slamdunk won't hurt our fans either..:D

rhk111
08-26-2009, 09:53 AM
Japeth cannot block shots at will on most games .....

weward
08-26-2009, 09:55 AM
You can find a lot of Maierhoffer or Arellano or Menor that play the same even better but you cannot find a 6'10 Japeth Aguilar here unless its naturalized.

i agree with this

OjiesIII
08-26-2009, 10:06 AM
Japeth Aguilar IS THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE!!! You know what I mean.. I think the other Smart Gilas players would still be motivated. this wouldn't affect their morale in any way because remember these players don't have BIG EGOS unlike the PBA Pros.. They can accept easily that the team needs a Japeth for them to be MORE COMPETITIVE..

And com'n guys, where can you see a pure Filipino at 6'9" (easily 6'10" with shoes) who can block shots at will against asian counterparts.. who has the athleticism of American players.. VERY VERY VERY RARE!!! that is why I am saying Japeth IS THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE..

just my opinion..

I agree... at the end the National interest is their priority.. we need to send the best players possible and the competetion starts in who can make it to final line-up that can be useful on Coach Toroman's systmem..:D

merps baller the return
08-26-2009, 10:07 AM
I want to see Lazy bone Marlou Aquino get schooled!!

aquino had his "moments" back when he schooled wang zhi zhi in the amateurs and in 1998 asian games, but really after that, i hated his career first thinking...

nashill
08-26-2009, 10:13 AM
And com'n guys, where can you see a pure Filipino at 6'9" (easily 6'10" with shoes) who can block shots at will against asian counterparts.. who has the athleticism of American players.. VERY VERY VERY RARE!!! that is why I am saying Japeth IS THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE..

just my opinion..

exaggerated po ata?

and i think he is only 6'8" or barely 6'9".

japeth needs to improve his rebounding and post defense/offense.

last time i watched him, he only wants to dunk the ball or shoot on the outside.

sergg
08-26-2009, 10:30 AM
The PBA should allow CJ Giles to play for the Smart Gilas Team.
How can this team improve Team Chemistry if one of their main players is not playing?

Please think of the Country first more than anything else.

PUGOtipm
08-26-2009, 10:36 AM
what can wilson do that chris tiu, jayvee casio or chris lutz can't do?

if people here don't like paul lee's shot selection, wilson's shot selection is suspect too....though he could have games wherein he's really hot just like today (48 pts on 9/17 3-pt shooting)...
defend bigger guards? I think he is 9/14 3pt fgm/fga today. the last 3 shots was rush because he was going for the record of 3pts made in a game. I think Jimbo Aquino and John Wilson is better fit for Gilas they are more of a TEAM PLAYERS than the ball-hug PAUL LEE.

ma4ma
08-26-2009, 10:43 AM
“I think Paul Lee is doing very well. I was watching him in the PBL before and I was impressed because he’s active, creative, has a tough mentality,” Toroman said :)

Big Ticket
08-26-2009, 10:45 AM
defend bigger guards? I think he is 9/14 3pt fgm/fga today. the last 3 shots was rush because he was going for the record of 3pts made in a game. I think Jimbo Aquino and John Wilson is better fit for Gilas they are more of a TEAM PLAYERS than the ball-hug PAUL LEE.

i wouldn't second-guess toroman's decision right now, he maybe has a role for paul lee in mind....

go back to this post come 2011....

Cammomile
08-26-2009, 10:51 AM
exaggerated po ata?

and i think he is only 6'8" or barely 6'9".

japeth needs to improve his rebounding and post defense/offense.

last time i watched him, he only wants to dunk the ball or shoot on the outside.

he is a legit 6'9...seen him man...he is even taller that asi and mick but alittle bit slim

OjiesIII
08-26-2009, 11:03 AM
Hope SBP would invite Jimbo Aquino to the Smart-gilas.. he playing exceptional basketball lately.. his 3pt shooting is accurate and he plays team ball.. very calm player.. just try him if he can fit in the system since i think right now he is better tha rj jazul.. in my opinion only.:D:D

weward
08-26-2009, 11:43 AM
exaggerated po ata?

and i think he is only 6'8" or barely 6'9".

japeth needs to improve his rebounding and post defense/offense.

last time i watched him, he only wants to dunk the ball or shoot on the outside.

i think japeth s*cked on that tournament because yeng guiao has no system..if there is, his system relies on the individual skills/talents or how we call it in filipino "diskarte"

japeth is too raw to perform according to diskarte...
he might perform better if he'll be given a system to work on with..

OjiesIII
08-26-2009, 11:57 AM
i think japeth s*cked on that tournament because yeng guiao has no system..if there is, his system relies on the individual skills/talents or how we call it in filipino "diskarte"

japeth is too raw to perform according to diskarte...
he might perform better if he'll be given a system to work on with..


Yeah.. but i beileve that japeth scored a lot in the jones cup..he is our second leading scorer on the team with 11 points per game and the leading blocker on the team.. :D the reason why he is not scoring well in fiba is becuase he sprained his knee on the first game which he scored 15 points.:D

OjiesIII
08-26-2009, 01:31 PM
CJ Giles, SBP reach accord
US player to be naturalized
By WAYLON GALVEZ
August 26, 2009, 6:22pm

CJ Giles has signed a one-year contract to play for the Smart Gilas Philippine team that will give him a salary of about P720,000 a month to be provided by the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.After coaching CJ Giles in an international tournament few months back, Serbian Rajko Toroman knew then that the one-time player of the Los Angeles Lakers is tailor-made for the Smart-Gilas national team developmental team.

“He’s coachable, he understands the game, he’s willing to sacrifice, and he’s a hard working player,” Toroman said.

According to Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive director Noli Eala, though there were several candidates for naturalization to be part of the Gilas squad, the 23-year-old Giles was Toroman’s priority.

In his initial stint with Gilas, he reinforced the team during the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Jakarta, Indonesia.

Last week, the SBP and Giles finalized a one-year deal for the former Oregon State University stalwart to play for the country as naturalized player. His naturalization paper, according to Eala, is now being processed at the House of Representatives with the help of Rep. Robbie Puno.

Giles’ contract with Smart-Gilas, which was also signed by SBP president Manny V. Pangilinan, has an option to extend for another year depending on his performance in next year’s Asian Games in Guangzhou, China.

His salary is similar to PBA imports approximately $15,000 a month (roughly P720,00). Eala said that the 6-foot-10 Giles had already received an initial payment. He’s expected to arrive September 1.

Eala said that in the FIBA constitution and by-laws, a foreign player must be naturalized two months before the competition sanctioned by the world-governing body for basketball, including the Asian Games.

The 16th edition of the Asian Games is set November 11 to 27, 2010.

FIBA allows just one naturalized player per nation. So far, other countries have exercised that privilege, including Jordan with American guard Rasheim Wright. The SBP is planning to have another naturalized player in case Giles gets injured.

“But we’re hoping that he’ll be healthy because he’s the player we want. Coach Toroman likes his attitude,” Eala said.

Giles is expected to suit up anew for Smart-Gilas in the 35th PBA Season beginning October 11 where the national team will play as guest team as part of their preparation for the Asian Games, as well as the 2011 FIBA-Asia Championship, the qualifying event for the 2012 London Olympics.

“We’re very thankful to the PBA for this opportunity,” Eala, a former PBA commissioner said. “It’s a great chance for Gilas to show how they are improving.

It’s a good exposure for the players and we’ll definitely make the most for this competition.”

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Yes!! Hope he can Help our Country to our Goal which is Olympics!! Maybe he and his brother will marry a filipina..HAHAHA

bhinov
08-26-2009, 01:41 PM
Woah! Very good news. I now have reasons to watch the PBA. I want to see Smart Gilas taking on the big teams in the PBA. I wouldn't be surprised if they beat them. My question is will Rabeh play? same goes to Sean Anthony. Will they play?

dreamwalker
08-26-2009, 01:43 PM
CJ Giles, SBP reach accord
US player to be naturalized
By WAYLON GALVEZ
August 26, 2009, 6:22pm

CJ Giles has signed a one-year contract to play for the Smart Gilas Philippine team that will give him a salary of about P720,000 a month to be provided by the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.After coaching CJ Giles in an international tournament few months back, Serbian Rajko Toroman knew then that the one-time player of the Los Angeles Lakers is tailor-made for the Smart-Gilas national team developmental team.

“He’s coachable, he understands the game, he’s willing to sacrifice, and he’s a hard working player,” Toroman said.

According to Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive director Noli Eala, though there were several candidates for naturalization to be part of the Gilas squad, the 23-year-old Giles was Toroman’s priority.

In his initial stint with Gilas, he reinforced the team during the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Jakarta, Indonesia.

Last week, the SBP and Giles finalized a one-year deal for the former Oregon State University stalwart to play for the country as naturalized player. His naturalization paper, according to Eala, is now being processed at the House of Representatives with the help of Rep. Robbie Puno.

Giles’ contract with Smart-Gilas, which was also signed by SBP president Manny V. Pangilinan, has an option to extend for another year depending on his performance in next year’s Asian Games in Guangzhou, China.

His salary is similar to PBA imports approximately $15,000 a month (roughly P720,00). Eala said that the 6-foot-10 Giles had already received an initial payment. He’s expected to arrive September 1.

Eala said that in the FIBA constitution and by-laws, a foreign player must be naturalized two months before the competition sanctioned by the world-governing body for basketball, including the Asian Games.

The 16th edition of the Asian Games is set November 11 to 27, 2010.

FIBA allows just one naturalized player per nation. So far, other countries have exercised that privilege, including Jordan with American guard Rasheim Wright. The SBP is planning to have another naturalized player in case Giles gets injured.

“But we’re hoping that he’ll be healthy because he’s the player we want. Coach Toroman likes his attitude,” Eala said.

Giles is expected to suit up anew for Smart-Gilas in the 35th PBA Season beginning October 11 where the national team will play as guest team as part of their preparation for the Asian Games, as well as the 2011 FIBA-Asia Championship, the qualifying event for the 2012 London Olympics.

“We’re very thankful to the PBA for this opportunity,” Eala, a former PBA commissioner said. “It’s a great chance for Gilas to show how they are improving.
It’s a good exposure for the players and we’ll definitely make the most for this competition.”

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Yes!! Hope he can Help our Country to our Goal which is Olympics!! Maybe he and his brother will marry a filipina..HAHAHA

It would be a very good learning experience for our professional players to be exposed to international brand of basketball as taught by raw amateurs.

OjiesIII
08-26-2009, 01:43 PM
Woah! Very good news. I now have reasons to watch the PBA. I want to see Smart Gilas taking on the big teams in the PBA. I wouldn't be surprised if they beat them. My question is will Rabeh play? same goes to Sean Anthony. Will they play?

Yeah!! how about lutz? anthony?.. i think rabeh will play after his stint at ateneo.. he his always open on playing for smart-gilas..

OjiesIII
08-26-2009, 01:46 PM
It would be a very good learning experience for our professional players to be exposed to international brand of basketball as taught by raw amateurs.

Agreed!! haha hopoing that they will play with their complete line-up. i want to see greg slaughter's improvement..

d_viper
08-26-2009, 02:23 PM
what about norwood, dillinger and aguilar are they still being considered to be part of gilas?

ankle breaker
08-26-2009, 02:25 PM
sean anthony might play. i think it will depend on SBP's side if he will be invited. as for chris lutz, he still have commitments with marshall and it's a big NCAA violation if he will suit up for the gilas team. we need to wait for him after he graduates next year.

Silent Killer
08-26-2009, 03:15 PM
it indeed a good news. hope rabeeh will play for Smart gilas team. hope coach norman convince this guy to play for smart gilas.

FARIDOON
08-26-2009, 04:20 PM
No. 1 pick Japeth to Burger King off?
Sports
Written by Rick Olivares / Columnist
WEDNESDAY, 26 AUGUST 2009 22:16

JAPETH AGUILAR, the No. 1 draft pick, reportedly would not be donning a Burger King (BK) jersey after all in the coming 35th season of the Philippine Basketball Association.

The BusinessMirror learned that Aguilar’s negotiations with BK management on Wednesday bogged down. Aguilar reportedly does not chart his basketball career. Ex-pro Peter, his father, and Ronnie Nathanielsz, a newspaper columnist and sports broadcaster who is said to be his manager, do the negotiating.

The six-foot-10, 22-year-old Aguilar, the BusinessMirror learned further, would instead play for Smart Gilas, a developmental team being honed for the 2011 continental championship that would determine Asia’s representative to the 2012 London Olympics.

Interestingly, telecommunications tycoon Manny V. Pangilinan, who funds the Smart Gilas team, is a part-owner of Burger King. He is also president of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, which has the Smart Gilas in its long-term programs.

:p:p:p:p:p

FARIDOON
08-26-2009, 04:24 PM
Some coaches threatened, some unfazed
Sports
Written by Joel Orellana / Reporter
WEDNESDAY, 26 AUGUST 2009 21:34
COACHES are divided in their opinion on American CJ Giles playing for Smart Gilas in the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) Philippine Cup in October.

Sta. Lucia’s Boyet Fernandez and Rain or Shine’s Caloy Garcia said Smart Gilas would have undue advantage with Giles around. Giles remains an American until after he is naturalized for him to be able to suit up for the national team.

“Helping the national team is fine with me,” Fernandez told the BusinessMirror on Wednesday. “But having an import, huwag na siguro. May bearing kasi, mahirap talaga kapag may import ang kalaban.”

Smart Gilas would be considered a regular team in the Philippine Cup, an all-Filipino conference. That means the national developmental team of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) could bring home the trophy if they top the tournament.

“Puwede sigurong sumali si Giles kapag may import na sa second conference,” added Fernandez, referring to the Fiesta Cup.

Garcia echoed Fernandez’s opinion and stressed Giles should only suit up in the Fiesta Cup.

But Siot Tanquingcen of San Miguel Beer and Jong Uichico of Barangay Ginebra see it otherwise.

“For me, okay lang. The more you increase the level of competition, the better it is for the teams, the league and the fans,” said Tanquingcen.

“I guess, it’s okay to help the country,” Uichico said.

Incoming board chairman Lito Alvarez of Burger King has earlier raised the issue about Giles’s citizenship and said he would ask his fellow governors to decide on it.

Giles, a six-foot-11 forward, is arriving on September 1. SBP has offered him a one-year contract to play for Smart Gilas in the 2011 International Basketball Federation (Fiba)-Asia qualifier.

bhinov
08-26-2009, 04:39 PM
No. 1 pick Japeth to Burger King off?
Sports
Written by Rick Olivares / Columnist
WEDNESDAY, 26 AUGUST 2009 22:16

JAPETH AGUILAR, the No. 1 draft pick, reportedly would not be donning a Burger King (BK) jersey after all in the coming 35th season of the Philippine Basketball Association.

The BusinessMirror learned that Aguilar’s negotiations with BK management on Wednesday bogged down. Aguilar reportedly does not chart his basketball career. Ex-pro Peter, his father, and Ronnie Nathanielsz, a newspaper columnist and sports broadcaster who is said to be his manager, do the negotiating.

The six-foot-10, 22-year-old Aguilar, the BusinessMirror learned further, would instead play for Smart Gilas, a developmental team being honed for the 2011 continental championship that would determine Asia’s representative to the 2012 London Olympics.

Interestingly, telecommunications tycoon Manny V. Pangilinan, who funds the Smart Gilas team, is a part-owner of Burger King. He is also president of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, which has the Smart Gilas in its long-term programs.

:p:p:p:p:p

Is this reliable?

c_d
08-26-2009, 04:41 PM
Is this reliable?

Let's wait for Sir Nardy. However, he hasn't been posting for quite some time. Probably looking for players for team B.

bhinov
08-26-2009, 04:48 PM
Let's wait for Sir Nardy. However, he hasn't been posting for quite some time. Probably looking for players for team B.

All of us in IBN will be happy if this news is true.

c_d
08-26-2009, 04:54 PM
All of us in IBN will be happy if this news is true.

You bet. The source (http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/sports.html) is reliable no doubt. But as much as I want to believe it, I'd rather get a confirmation. Baka ma-kuryente tayo.

bhinov
08-26-2009, 05:04 PM
So, Japeth will play for Smart Gilas in the AFC, if this is really TRUE.

d_viper
08-26-2009, 05:14 PM
that would be great for smart gilas and aguilar to polish his skills .... good news indeed if ..................... theres truth to this article hope so ....:D:D

tiffac
08-26-2009, 05:19 PM
I'm confuse... hasn't Japeth signed that 9M for 3yrs contract already? and we even had a report that Yeng will focus his effort to make Japeth a better player and even took pot shots at WKU for stagnating Japeth's talent. So how did this article (issue) if true come about? :confused:

lovejones
08-26-2009, 05:59 PM
that would be great for smart gilas and aguilar to polish his skills .... good news indeed if ..................... theres truth to this article hope so ....:D:D

If Japeth reneges on his BK stint, might this incur the wrath of BK and the PBA as a whole ? This would probably result in the severing of ties between the PBA and SBP and give the BAP an idiotic excuse to call for another meeting in Switzerland.

So Japeth, kindly own up to your decision. Many times the SBP had asked/begged for your inclusion to Smart Gilas but in the end you chose the PBA as evidenced by your joining the PBA draft. As a result, SBP backed off and instead just requested for your participation in the future.

You're literally a grown up now so, for the sake basketball unity, please stay with BK. :mad:

noilsen
08-26-2009, 06:15 PM
If Japeth reneges on his BK stint, might this incur the wrath of BK and the PBA as a whole ? This would probably result in the severing of ties between the PBA and SBP and give the BAP an idiotic excuse to call for another meeting in Switzerland.

So Japeth, kindly own up to your decision. Many times the SBP had asked/begged for your inclusion to Smart Gilas but in the end you chose the PBA as evidenced by your joining the PBA draft. As a result, SBP backed off and instead just requested for your participation in the future.

You're literally a grown up now so, for the sake basketball unity, please stay with BK. :mad:

a part of me agrees...

than11
08-26-2009, 06:40 PM
The guys who handle Japeth's career are being unreasonable(if this is true)..They were offered the max allowable contract, right?..Maybe they were looking for some additional perks, much like the ones offered to imports..Or maybe they had a change of heart and really want Japeth to play for Smart Gilas instead..But it's too late..Remember how the PBA reacted when Alex Cabagnot almost did not sign up with SLR when he was drafted?..And Lito Alvarez, Bert Lina, Johnny Tam, aren't this guys connected with BAP in one way, or another, at some point?..

I smell chaos if this report holds some ground..I hope it's not true..It's better for him to sign up with BK and just have the PBA to agree in having him loaned to Smart Gilas during off-season..for the sake of Philippine basketball in a general perspective, Japeth should sign up and play for BK..

d_viper
08-26-2009, 07:04 PM
If Japeth reneges on his BK stint, might this incur the wrath of BK and the PBA as a whole ? This would probably result in the severing of ties between the PBA and SBP and give the BAP an idiotic excuse to call for another meeting in Switzerland.

So Japeth, kindly own up to your decision. Many times the SBP had asked/begged for your inclusion to Smart Gilas but in the end you chose the PBA as evidenced by your joining the PBA draft. As a result, SBP backed off and instead just requested for your participation in the future.

You're literally a grown up now so, for the sake basketball unity, please stay with BK. :mad:

too much politics in sports ........... i hope the time is now for all to unite for the same cause we have only one national team to be cheered on.........

OjiesIII
08-26-2009, 07:14 PM
Maybe MVP did all this so Japeth would not sign to BK and play to Smart-gilas and maybe earn more money.. hahahaha this is a GOOD NEWS!!!!

c_d
08-26-2009, 07:36 PM
MVP is a part owner of BK. I doubt it if he would do anything to create some friction between the SBP and the PBA which he himself is also a part of.

Might be a case of mishandling by his advisors. If this is true, this might be the reason behind this....

SOURCE (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=499703&publicationSubCategoryId=69)
Meanwhile, the PBA Commissioner’s Office is now requiring player agents to accredit with the league.

PBA operations chief Rickie Santos said they’re to issue communications to the 10 ballclubs asking them not to entertain player agents without league accreditation.

OjiesIII
08-26-2009, 08:27 PM
We dont have to worry about friction between PBA and SBP since its a case of an individual player who just happens to be not satisfied with the contract that was offered.. maybe they realize that Japeth could be a better player in joining the smart-gilas then he can also can try Europe whle playing for the nationals much like cj giles.. much better for japeth to join smart-gilas and maybe they can offere better than PBA would have for a rookie since he will earn very little to support his family in the states..

than11
08-26-2009, 09:01 PM
If anyone can explain to me how will he get out of the fact that he was drafted by BK and was offered a maximum allowable contract, then I will not worry.. - from a basketbal-loving Filipino who had always dreamt of watching the Philippines compete in the world stage.

durden_tyler
08-26-2009, 09:40 PM
If anyone can explain to me how will he get out of the fact that he was drafted by BK and was offered a maximum allowable contract, then I will not worry.. - from a basketbal-loving Filipino who had always dreamt of watching the Philippines compete in the world stage.

But if there was no contract signed i think he can do this. If this happens, he will be banned from playing in the PBA i am sure and won't only earn the ire of Burger King but other teams and the PBA itself.

That is the worst case scenario for the PBA and Japeth's stint and the best-case for Gilas because they will get the player they wanted all along.

Now if there's an agreement between BK and Gilas (SBP)--- to let him play for Gilas as a loan for a longer period of time then comes back to BK then it's all good (they just don't want to pay Aguilar for the meantime. But reading between the lines in that report it seems the main reason is the negotiations and lack of agreement between both parties (Aguilar and BK) and if that is true, we are in for a treat the next few days/weeks.

Remember, BK holds the right of Japeth IN THE PBA. He has put himself in danger of playing professionally in the PBA. i am sure BK (along with other teams or most teams or even the PBA itself) will want something out of their drafting rights--- repercussions be damned because after all you have to protect your interests (BK would have gotten Maierhofer or Ross, etc)

Even just a "guest" team, the PBA will make it hard for Japeth to suit up for Gilas in the next conference virtually putting Gilas' stint itself in danger--- of course, they could go with an incomplete team (without Japeth) and still play in the PBA next conference.

Here's what i have to say regarding this matter: a can of worms has been opened.

than11
08-26-2009, 09:51 PM
What may look like a "Merry Christmas!" may just turn out to be a "Good Friday"..How about a sign and buyout?..Will that work in the PBA?..Like how Jason Castro ended up with TnT?..

durden_tyler
08-26-2009, 10:11 PM
What may look like a "Merry Christmas!" may just turn out to be a "Good Friday"..How about a sign and buyout?..Will that work in the PBA?..Like how Jason Castro ended up with TnT?..

Especially for Burger King. That's one pick (and their NUMBER ONE pick wasted!)... As i've said, if any of the reports are true, BK's lawyer and the PBA board will be busy in the next few days...

In any case here are some speculations on what could happen:

The Good:
SBP gets the player they wanted all along.

The Bad:
BK is the biggest loser on this one. The PBA the next big loser because someone just respected the draft and its purposes (mainly because they do not want a case like this to set a bad precedent)

The Ugly:
Aguilar gets banned, and will have a very, very hard time going back to the league.

i am all for Japeth suiting up for the Gilas team; they do need a player of his caliber. But this way? He's playing with fire. SBP's program will pay him 3 years at the minimum. i would like to believe that he's set for another 4 years with Gilas as i see that Gilas has long-term plans. That's 2016. After that? i'd be generous and say that he'd be again healthy and fit for the national team. What am i saying? If Aguilar is firm in this decision, he better hope the SBP is true to its word and its program is indeed a long-term one (at least 10 years) and that SBP would want him to be part of it.

weward
08-26-2009, 11:07 PM
if they ban aguilar.. i think it will just be temporary..
they wont be able to controll their salivas on tasting japeth again..
just like how wang zhi zhi was able to play in china again..

or if japeth will be banned, there are lots of other better leagues out there..he may be able to suit up in some of it,if ever he improves..

durden_tyler
08-26-2009, 11:16 PM
if they ban aguilar.. i think it will just be temporary..
they wont be able to controll their salivas on tasting japeth again..
just like how wang zhi zhi was able to play in china again..

or if japeth will be banned, there are lots of other better leagues out there..he may be able to suit up in some of it,if ever he improves..

Yes, yes of course that is an option, a possibility. But there will be repercussions. Drafting rights, it is what it is. There's no way BK says they are A-OK-with-it-move-along-there-is-nothing-to-see-here because they will lose an important piece in their puzzle (forget the fact that he went number one) there will be repercussions. BK will look to protect its interests, the PBA will look to protect BK and its interests and the PBA will look to protect its interests.

If this was to happen, no one to blame here but Japeth (or his handlers). He had ample time to decide on this matter and could have decided to choose the Gilas team at a much earlier time. But the fact is he was already drafted and a team now holds his rights.

i am very much interested in what happens the next few days. Real interested.

PUGOtipm
08-26-2009, 11:46 PM
I really believe that an agreement between BKW and smart-Gilas have already been made to loan Japeth to the Gilas Team after 1 conference or 1 season. The Burger King logo in front of Ateneo uniform I THINK??? was the seal to this agreement.

KevinDurant
08-26-2009, 11:53 PM
“Helping the national team is fine with me,” Fernandez told the BusinessMirror on Wednesday. “But having an import, huwag na siguro. May bearing kasi, mahirap talaga kapag may import ang kalaban.”

Marlou Aquino, is that you?
PBA = bayan ng mga Astig..right?? (trans PBA players never back down)
Backward mentality once again. If you're a coach, this is a challenge in fact to prepare and have a sound gameplan to limit the American's output.



But Siot Tanquingcen of San Miguel Beer and Jong Uichico of Barangay Ginebra see it otherwise.

“For me, okay lang. The more you increase the level of competition, the better it is for the teams, the league and the fans,” said Tanquingcen.

“I guess, it’s okay to help the country,” Uichico said

Too good we have new school coaches around. Basketball is team game wherein strategies and teammanship prevail, not personalities, nor races..

That's the way to do it Jong!! Never say die!!:D.

durden_tyler
08-27-2009, 12:02 AM
I really believe that an agreement between BKW and smart-Gilas have already been made to loan Japeth to the Gilas Team after 1 conference or 1 season. The Burger King logo in front of Ateneo uniform I THINK??? was the seal to this agreement.

i'd like to think it that way too. No fuss whatsoever and good for all entities involved (SBP, PBA, BK and Gilas)

But what if the "bogged down in negotiations" angle holds true? If there was an agreement made then the negotiations went well? What's the logic behind a 1-season or 1-conference deal? That would hurt BK's chances in this campaign right? Unless of course, they'd willing to make the ultimate sacrifice and consider Japeth and NT first and they really, really want to make that work? Why stop at a 1-year deal? What happens when its time for Japeth to return to BK when the Gilas team is in training or maybe in a competition? If this was part of the plan, did BK pick Japeth to assure an NT stint? (An admirable effort)

Just a lots of facts that won't fit in if this was indeed a loan.

Oh well, i guess we will see. :)

Prediction time: Japeth suits up for BK in the next conference but allows him to suit up for Gilas in future competitions/training.

rensquared
08-27-2009, 01:28 AM
I'm torn in between if the news about Japeth is true. On one side, I badly want Japeth to play for Smart-Gilas. On the other, he is not being firm on his decision which is unfair. But, he he still hasn't signed any contract, so I guess its okay. You're already tied to the PBA once you signed the contract. If not, then there's no deal right?

bognut
08-27-2009, 01:40 AM
Japeth just wants to be the number 1 pick in the PBA.

heck Ronnie Nathanielz is his manager?

wrecked!

reamily
08-27-2009, 02:15 AM
i'd like to think it that way too. No fuss whatsoever and good for all entities involved (SBP, PBA, BK and Gilas)

But what if the "bogged down in negotiations" angle holds true? If there was an agreement made then the negotiations went well? What's the logic behind a 1-season or 1-conference deal? That would hurt BK's chances in this campaign right? Unless of course, they'd willing to make the ultimate sacrifice and consider Japeth and NT first and they really, really want to make that work? Why stop at a 1-year deal? What happens when its time for Japeth to return to BK when the Gilas team is in training or maybe in a competition? If this was part of the plan, did BK pick Japeth to assure an NT stint? (An admirable effort)

Just a lots of facts that won't fit in if this was indeed a loan.

Oh well, i guess we will see. :)

Prediction time: Japeth suits up for BK in the next conference but allows him to suit up for Gilas in future competitions/training.

Japhet will suit up in All Filipino for their championship bid and loaned to the gilas after will make BK save money and business wise good decisionI think Japhet will not last in BK for long still in BK philosophy best bidder win so far (and good for nt cause) mvp's group has the upper hand as SMC not challenging them(at least on the papers):D:D
the perks is high in Japhets Contract even though he will only earn 150 k in his first year "Bihira lang kasi iyan" trans: its such a rare case you find this physically gifted palyer in the phils.

rensquared
08-27-2009, 02:23 AM
Yes, yes of course that is an option, a possibility. But there will be repercussions. Drafting rights, it is what it is. There's no way BK says they are A-OK-with-it-move-along-there-is-nothing-to-see-here because they will lose an important piece in their puzzle (forget the fact that he went number one) there will be repercussions. BK will look to protect its interests, the PBA will look to protect BK and its interests and the PBA will look to protect its interests.

If this was to happen, no one to blame here but Japeth (or his handlers). He had ample time to decide on this matter and could have decided to choose the Gilas team at a much earlier time. But the fact is he was already drafted and a team now holds his rights.

i am very much interested in what happens the next few days. Real interested.

This is just a theory. Maybe BK made a deal that will allow Japeth to play full-time for Smart-Gilas, provided that he will automatically play for BK after his stint with Smart-Gilas. Maybe after 3 years or so? I'm sure Japeth will be a force to reckon with after he is done playing for the NT

rasputin
08-27-2009, 02:29 AM
It would be a very good learning experience for our professional players to be exposed to international brand of basketball as taught by raw amateurs.

Yes, but the learning will be both ways. The pro coaches and players will get a dose of international tactics and strategies. The Gilas players will also get some "schooling" from the pros on the PBA brand of play. The pros, most specially the former NT players, will most likely think "Kayo pala papalit sa amin. Tignan nga natin" hehehe. This will result in good but healthy competition, and better games for the fans.:cool:

iandi_dunka
08-27-2009, 02:54 AM
No. 1 pick Japeth to Burger King off?
8/27/2009 | National Team Program, PBA, Smart Gilas | 8 comments »

source: Rick Olivares | bleachersbrew & Business Mirror

Japeth Aguilar, the No. 1 draft pick, reportedly would not be donning a Burger King (BK) jersey after all in the coming 35th season of the Philippine Basketball Association.

The Business Mirror learned that Aguilar’s negotiations with BK management on Wednesday bogged down. Aguilar reportedly does not chart his basketball career. Ex-pro Peter, his father, and Ronnie Nathanielsz, a newspaper columnist and sports broadcaster who is said to be his manager, do the negotiating.

The six-foot-10, 22-year-old Aguilar, the Business Mirror learned further, would instead play for Smart Gilas, a developmental team being honed for the 2011 continental championship that would determine Asia’s representative to the 2012 London Olympics.

Interestingly, telecommunications tycoon Manny V. Pangilinan, who funds the Smart Gilas team, is a part-owner of Burger King. He is also president of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, which has the Smart Gilas in its long-term programs.

Note: Japeth has not committed to any team. There are other issues here. And no, Gilas did not meddle here. Hintayin natin bago mag-comment. Comments like "benta" are irresponsible. A player has just as much right not to sign. Corporations have dumped players mercilessly too.

zuma169
08-27-2009, 04:15 AM
I just hope that there would be a compromise betweek BKW and Smart Gilas.. I think the best scenario for this is for Japeth to play for Smart gilas until the end of its international stints (2011 or 2012) then comes back to the PBA and play for BKW but not as a rookie.. I think this will really work for them..

If this will be the case then here is my proposed 12-man lineup"

PG Andi Barroca 5"11" - can shoot threes
PG Chris Tiu 6'0" - a pure shooter
PG/SG Paul Lee 6'1" - scorer/shooter
SG Chris Lutz 6'4" - pure shooter
SG Dylan Ababou 6'4" - scorer
SF Mac Baracael 6'5" - defensive agressiveness
SF Aldreich Ramos 6'6" - length, athleticism and defense
PF Rabeh Al-Husseini 6'8" - shooting bigmanPF Junmar Fajardo 6'9" - inside presence
PF/C Japeth Aguilar 6'10" - very very athletic bigman; shotblocker; rebounder; inside scorer
C Greg Slaughter 6'11" - height and inside presence
C/PF CJ Giles 6'11" - athleticism, shotblocker; rebounder; inside scorer

*I did not include Norwood and Dillinger because it is very very unsure that they can be allowed to play for Smart Gilas
*if you notice most player I have added 1 more inch to their heights (Barroca, Tiu, Lee, Baracael, Ababou, Rabeh, Aguilar). well, what difference does an inch make!?! if it is 2 inches then it will be significant but I think an inch wouldn't make any difference..

This lineup is so potent especially under Rajko Toroman's tutelege that it can give Iran, China, Jordan and Lebanon a run for it's money..

just an opinion..

TrueBluePinoy
08-27-2009, 04:24 AM
I just hope that there would be a compromise betweek BKW and Smart Gilas.. I think the best scenario for this is for Japeth to play for Smart gilas until the end of its international stints (2011 or 2012) then comes back to the PBA and play for BKW but not as a rookie.. I think this will really work for them..

If this will be the case then here is my proposed 12-man lineup"

PG Andi Barroca 5"11" - can shoot threes
PG Chris Tiu 6'0" - a pure shooter
PG/SG Paul Lee 6'1" - scorer/shooter
SG Chris Lutz 6'4" - pure shooter
SG Dylan Ababou 6'4" - scorer
SF Mac Baracael 6'5" - defensive agressiveness
SF Aldreich Ramos 6'6" - length, athleticism and defense
PF Rabeh Al-Husseini 6'8" - shooting bigmanPF Junmar Fajardo 6'9" - inside presence
PF/C Japeth Aguilar 6'10" - very very athletic bigman; shotblocker; rebounder; inside scorer
C Greg Slaughter 6'11" - height and inside presence
C/PF CJ Giles 6'11" - athleticism, shotblocker; rebounder; inside scorer

*I did not include Norwood and Dillinger because it is very very unsure that they can be allowed to play for Smart Gilas
*if you notice most player I have added 1 more inch to their heights (Barroca, Tiu, Lee, Baracael, Ababou, Rabeh, Aguilar). well, what difference does an inch make!?! if it is 2 inches then it will be significant but I think an inch wouldn't make any difference..

This lineup is so potent especially under Rajko Toroman's tutelege that it can give Iran, China, Jordan and Lebanon a run for it's money..

just an opinion..

Chris Tiu and Barroca are in the 5'10 region

pilipinas02
08-27-2009, 04:30 AM
Cawaling in the PG position much better IMO

andry
08-27-2009, 04:49 AM
No. 1 pick Japeth to Burger King off?
8/27/2009 | National Team Program, PBA, Smart Gilas | 8 comments »

source: Rick Olivares | bleachersbrew & Business Mirror

Japeth Aguilar, the No. 1 draft pick, reportedly would not be donning a Burger King (BK) jersey after all in the coming 35th season of the Philippine Basketball Association.

The Business Mirror learned that Aguilar’s negotiations with BK management on Wednesday bogged down. Aguilar reportedly does not chart his basketball career. Ex-pro Peter, his father, and Ronnie Nathanielsz, a newspaper columnist and sports broadcaster who is said to be his manager, do the negotiating.

The six-foot-10, 22-year-old Aguilar, the Business Mirror learned further, would instead play for Smart Gilas, a developmental team being honed for the 2011 continental championship that would determine Asia’s representative to the 2012 London Olympics.

Interestingly, telecommunications tycoon Manny V. Pangilinan, who funds the Smart Gilas team, is a part-owner of Burger King. He is also president of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, which has the Smart Gilas in its long-term programs.

Note: Japeth has not committed to any team. There are other issues here. And no, Gilas did not meddle here. Hintayin natin bago mag-comment. Comments like "benta" are irresponsible. A player has just as much right not to sign. Corporations have dumped players mercilessly too.

has there there been any confirmation regarding this issue lately?

PUGOtipm
08-27-2009, 05:19 AM
Aguilar still welcome to join Gilas RP 5, says SBP
Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:48:00 AM | 0 Comments

Despite the fact that Japeth Aguilar would already suit up for Burger King in the Philippine Basketball Association, the youthful center is still welcome to join the Smart Gilas Pilipinas cage team in its international quest.

"The door is always open to anybody who likes to help the team," Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive director Noli Eala said.

The Gilas team under Serbian coach Rajko Toroman is tasked to try to win the 2011 FIBA Asia men's championship and earn the lone slot allotted for Asia in the 2012 London Olympics.

But since Aguilar decided to turn pro, the SBP would have to make special arrangements with the PBA and Burger King to get the services of the 6-10 slotman.

"We are going to discuss this with Japeth, his team and the PBA," Eala said. "We're optimistic that we will get him for the RP team."

The son of former Northern Consolidated center Peter Aguilar is not new to playing for flag, having been part of the PBA-backed Powerade Team Pilipinas team that finished eighth in the last FIBA-Asia Championships in Tianjin, China.

Eala believed Aguilar would strengthen the inside game of the Smart Gilas team which has Jason Ballesteros and Greg Slaughter as frontliners.

Other members of the squad are JV Casio, Chris Tiu, Mac Baracael, Andy Mark Barroca, Aldrech Ramos, JR Cawaling, Dylan Ababou, Magi Sison, Chester Taylor and 6-11 naturalized player CJ Giles.

Eala said as part of the team's preparations for the next 2011 FIBA Asia meet, which the Philippines is also bidding to host, Gilas would play as guest team in the PBA Philippine Cup that would open shop on October 11.

All the games of the squad would count in the team standings so that all the regular PBA teams would play the Gilas cagers seriously, according to Eala.

"We're thankful for this opportunity. This is a great chance for us to show how Smart Gilas is improving while we play the PBA teams and give the players the much-needed exposure," he said. GMANews.TV
I thought magi and chester was already dropped for the pool>

grahamtelly
08-27-2009, 05:29 AM
Toroman should include John Wilson in the pool. his like a right handed caidic. he scored 48 points vs benilde yesterday.

OjiesIII
08-27-2009, 05:47 AM
Toroman should include John Wilson in the pool. his like a right handed caidic. he scored 48 points vs benilde yesterday.

Yeah!!! agree!!! he can give a chance to Jimbo Aquino and John Willson.. very good defenders, slashers and very consistent from the 3point line.

c_d
08-27-2009, 06:01 AM
Toroman should include John Wilson in the pool. his like a right handed caidic. he scored 48 points vs benilde yesterday.

This reminds me of a previous post by Sir Nardy in the thread PBA 2009 draft (http://forums.interbasket.net/f32/pba-2009-draft-7886/p18.html#post296729)


hmmm does this mean I could still get John Wilson for GILAS.

sharky
08-27-2009, 06:42 AM
if i were to make a mock line up for the Smart Gilas Team i will never miss out Toroman's favorites.

Casio
Barroca
Ababou
Baracael
Ramos
Tiu

weward
08-27-2009, 08:30 AM
i dont watch ncaa games but when i saw that wilson guy played..he's not that flashy but he is smart and he has those killer instincts and will power..
but i dont know his position,i think he is playing powerforward?


and another question, GILAS will play in the PBA right? and japeth was rumored of not signing the contract with BK..how about if he plays for gilas..since he was drafted in the PBA is he eligible to win the rookie of the year award??

or if he plays for gilas,and not be considered as a rookie, when he enters the PBA(as official pro,...maybe after 2012) is he still eligible for the rookie of the year award? just curious..

Alex07
08-27-2009, 08:44 AM
I just hope that there would be a compromise betweek BKW and Smart Gilas.. I think the best scenario for this is for Japeth to play for Smart gilas until the end of its international stints (2011 or 2012) then comes back to the PBA and play for BKW but not as a rookie.. I think this will really work for them..

If this will be the case then here is my proposed 12-man lineup"

PG Andi Barroca 5"11" - can shoot threes
PG Chris Tiu 6'0" - a pure shooter
PG/SG Paul Lee 6'1" - scorer/shooter
SG Chris Lutz 6'4" - pure shooter
SG Dylan Ababou 6'4" - scorer
SF Mac Baracael 6'5" - defensive agressiveness
SF Aldreich Ramos 6'6" - length, athleticism and defense
PF Rabeh Al-Husseini 6'8" - shooting bigmanPF Junmar Fajardo 6'9" - inside presence
PF/C Japeth Aguilar 6'10" - very very athletic bigman; shotblocker; rebounder; inside scorer
C Greg Slaughter 6'11" - height and inside presence
C/PF CJ Giles 6'11" - athleticism, shotblocker; rebounder; inside scorer

*I did not include Norwood and Dillinger because it is very very unsure that they can be allowed to play for Smart Gilas
*if you notice most player I have added 1 more inch to their heights (Barroca, Tiu, Lee, Baracael, Ababou, Rabeh, Aguilar). well, what difference does an inch make!?! if it is 2 inches then it will be significant but I think an inch wouldn't make any difference..

This lineup is so potent especially under Rajko Toroman's tutelege that it can give Iran, China, Jordan and Lebanon a run for it's money..

just an opinion..

I like your lineup..But I still hope we could avail the services of Kelly Williams,Gabe Norwood and Jared Dillinger so we could have solid experienced players in the wings to replace Lee,Baracael and Ramos.

Kelly Williams 6'7-rebounds like a power forward moves like a guard.Could guard the likes of Bahrami and Sun Yue.Perfect for the small forward position.
Gabe Norwood 6'5-Smarter more experienced guard who could create things for the RP team.A solid combo guard with superb athleticism.
Jared Dillinger 6'6-the team missed his outside shooting.Give him more time and he'll be good in the three point arc again.If he improves his shooting and defense he would be a perfect fit.

weward
08-27-2009, 08:46 AM
if i were to make a mock line up for the Smart Gilas Team i will never miss out Toroman's favorites.

Casio
Barroca
Ababou
Baracael
Ramos
Tiu

ababou,baracael and barroca are the best three of mr toroman..i think..
they are like kamrani,and the bahrami brothers of iran when toroman was still with iran..(ehadadi wasnt good yet on that time..right? he just blossomed in the 2007 semis..)maybe ehadadi=junmar..both not well known in the start.. and maybe greg will end up like jaber...jaber the tallest in iran,greg the tallest in Philippine line-up..:eek:

durden_tyler
08-27-2009, 09:58 AM
I'm torn in between if the news about Japeth is true. On one side, I badly want Japeth to play for Smart-Gilas. On the other, he is not being firm on his decision which is unfair. But, he he still hasn't signed any contract, so I guess its okay. You're already tied to the PBA once you signed the contract. If not, then there's no deal right?

That is exactly what i want to see--- how draft picks (or rights to it) has effects on negotiations. While there is no contract, being selected in the PBA draft means that that team holds the right of signing you first before any other PBA team.

Obviously, the loophole is that SBP-Gilas is not a PBA Team! Of course, they can negotiate and sign him!

This i feel is a similar case to NBA draftees who can't (initially) be bought out by some Euro teams. Take Ricky Rubio's case. Minnesota drafted him but can't sign him outright--- Rubio, without an NBA contract COULD sign with a Euro team and Minnesota can do nothing about it. However, Minnesota still holds his right if he comes back to the league (i believe they hold the rights for a number of years) meaning they have the rights of first refusal should Rubio return.


I just hope that there would be a compromise betweek BKW and Smart Gilas.. I think the best scenario for this is for Japeth to play for Smart gilas until the end of its international stints (2011 or 2012) then comes back to the PBA and play for BKW but not as a rookie.. I think this will really work for them..

This is the best case scenario. BK won't have to loan Aguilar to Gilas (Because it would be Gilas which would be paying him) but it means that BK is willing to give-up a number one pick and sacrifices the next 2-3 years without compensation (well financially, they are compensated)...

ma4ma
08-27-2009, 10:32 AM
Aguilar hurt by coach’s snub in FIBA tilt?


Japeth Aguilar remained unheard from after reports circulated that 6-foot-10 former Ateneo Blue Eagle who was drafted first overall in the recent PBA draft by Burger King might dump his team Burger King and join the all-amateur Smart-Gilas national development team of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

The report was triggered by his refusal to sign a contract with Burger King which has offered him the maximum P8.7-million over three years.

The reason, according to sources, is not about money. Rather, it was the way he was treated by the Philippine team coaching staff headed by Yeng Guiao during the FIBA-Asia championship in China.

If this were true, it would be ironic since it was Guiao who insisted on Burger King management to take him as No. 1 overall pick.

Aguilar, who has been courted heavily by both the PBA and the SBP, was said to be unhappy over his limited playing time during the FIBA-sponsored tournament.

Calls to Aguilar to confirm the reports were not answered. Burger King official and PBA chairman Lito Alvarez and coach Yeng Guiao also could not be reached for comment.

SBP executive-director Noli Eala said they have not been in contact with the Western Kentucky University standout, although he had said earlier that the SBP door is wide open for Aguilar.

“We have no comment on that,” Eala said. “We have not talked to Japeth, or his father Peter (Aguilar), or his representatives.”

A number of prized rookies have signed contracts with their respective teams, including Rico Maierhofer of Purefoods and Jervy Cruz of Rain or Shine.

Aguilar had been offered a three-year deal by the SBP to join Smart-Gilas before the draft, but he opted to join the PBA last August 1.

In the event he does not sign with Burger King, Aguilar, will be barred from playing with any PBA ballclub, but he can play with any other team outside of the PBA.

durden_tyler
08-27-2009, 10:42 AM
Aguilar hurt by coach’s snub in FIBA tilt?


Japeth Aguilar remained unheard from after reports circulated that 6-foot-10 former Ateneo Blue Eagle who was drafted first overall in the recent PBA draft by Burger King might dump his team Burger King and join the all-amateur Smart-Gilas national development team of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

The report was triggered by his refusal to sign a contract with Burger King which has offered him the maximum P8.7-million over three years.

The reason, according to sources, is not about money. Rather, it was the way he was treated by the Philippine team coaching staff headed by Yeng Guiao during the FIBA-Asia championship in China.

If this were true, it would be ironic since it was Guiao who insisted on Burger King management to take him as No. 1 overall pick.

Aguilar, who has been courted heavily by both the PBA and the SBP, was said to be unhappy over his limited playing time during the FIBA-sponsored tournament.

Calls to Aguilar to confirm the reports were not answered. Burger King official and PBA chairman Lito Alvarez and coach Yeng Guiao also could not be reached for comment.

SBP executive-director Noli Eala said they have not been in contact with the Western Kentucky University standout, although he had said earlier that the SBP door is wide open for Aguilar.

“We have no comment on that,” Eala said. “We have not talked to Japeth, or his father Peter (Aguilar), or his representatives.”

A number of prized rookies have signed contracts with their respective teams, including Rico Maierhofer of Purefoods and Jervy Cruz of Rain or Shine.

Aguilar had been offered a three-year deal by the SBP to join Smart-Gilas before the draft, but he opted to join the PBA last August 1.

In the event he does not sign with Burger King, Aguilar, will be barred from playing with any PBA ballclub, but he can play with any other team outside of the PBA.

IF it will come to that. That's the only leverage BK gets and they will lose a player. Bad decision on their part if they can't agree to a contract. SBP meanwhile should be happy that this happened as they get a player they really want. Sad for BK because they be hard-pressed in the next campagin but happy for Gilas because they'd have a more potent line-up.

The next question would be if Japeth would be allowed to play for Gilas in the next PBA conference...

(As i've mentioned in past posts this is all Japeth's decision--- he's a grown man now. He will learn a lot from this experience and hopefully helps him develop his maturity regarding the ins and outs of basketball)

KevinDurant
08-27-2009, 10:55 AM
Could it be that Gilas and BK had an agreement (BK benefited from all the media mileage before the draft) already even before Japeth was drafted(ala Arwind to SMB)??.

There is no way that there can be a friction between Gilas and BK because of MVP. Just my two cents...

jesronne
08-27-2009, 10:57 AM
Could it be that Gilas and BK had an agreement (BK benefited from all the media mileage before the draft) already even before Japeth was drafted(ala Arwind to SMB)??.

There is no way that there can be a friction between Gilas and BK because of MVP. Just my two cents...

aggree... and the only person that serve as hindrance for this swap is yeng guiao... :)

durden_tyler
08-27-2009, 11:13 AM
Could it be that Gilas and BK had an agreement (BK benefited from all the media mileage before the draft) already even before Japeth was drafted(ala Arwind to SMB)??.

There is no way that there can be a friction between Gilas and BK because of MVP. Just my two cents...

Probable. But could it be that Japeth is not happy with BK (and Yeng) and will demand a trade to another PBA team? (The team with more perks, you know who i am talking about.)

i hate these "no comments" news, lots of things to speculate :D

KevinDurant
08-27-2009, 11:26 AM
Probable. But could it be that Japeth is not happy with BK (and Yeng) and will demand a trade to another PBA team? (The team with more perks, you know who i am talking about.)

i hate these "no comments" news, lots of things to speculate :D

OR...., Japeth just used BK as a leverage..

Flashback..

Had Japeth chose Gilas before the draft, he could've ended up with a contract like those of the others..P150,000/month(correct me if I'm worng with the figures) for three years..

Then Japeth chose to enter the draft via BK, offers him the max rookie contract of P150,000/month on the 1st year, with an annual increase (can't remember the exact figures) shows it to MVP this time..:D

regierr
08-27-2009, 12:15 PM
IF it will come to that. That's the only leverage BK gets and they will lose a player. Bad decision on their part if they can't agree to a contract. SBP meanwhile should be happy that this happened as they get a player they really want. Sad for BK because they be hard-pressed in the next campagin but happy for Gilas because they'd have a more potent line-up.

The next question would be if Japeth would be allowed to play for Gilas in the next PBA conference...

(As i've mentioned in past posts this is all Japeth's decision--- he's a grown man now. He will learn a lot from this experience and hopefully helps him develop his maturity regarding the ins and outs of basketball)

I did not know the PBA can ban a player from joining the league, I thought if a player refuses to sign a contract he will become an unrestricted free agent. It seems this rule only protects the interest of the league and not the player.

OjiesIII
08-27-2009, 12:56 PM
I did not know the PBA can ban a player from joining the league, I thought if a player refuses to sign a contract he will become an unrestricted free agent. It seems this rule only protects the interest of the league and not the player.

yeah.. that is right.. All BK have on Japeth is that they have the only right to sign Japeth Aguilar and nobody else.. that's it.. Nobody can force a player to sign and play for thier team.. if he understand that he can earn more playing somewhere else besides PBA well that is an individual right..

randomguy
08-27-2009, 02:11 PM
This add's up to the drama. If JA will be banned from playing or signing any contract to any of the remaining PBA squad, will he be allowed then to play with Smart-Gilas on the upcoming PBA all-filipino cup, Since they are only playing as a guess team, right? I wonder what will happen to the BK franchise now that things have gotten out-of-hand? Arwind Santos departure will play a big impact regarding the teams direction.

Another possible scenario I think is JA being shipped to Talk and Text and will then be allowed by the front office to suit up for the Smart Gilas. The question is, will his bid for a ROY be forfeited if such scenario happens?

lovejones
08-27-2009, 02:54 PM
Aguilar hurt by coach’s snub in FIBA tilt?


Japeth Aguilar remained unheard from after reports circulated that 6-foot-10 former Ateneo Blue Eagle who was drafted first overall in the recent PBA draft by Burger King might dump his team Burger King and join the all-amateur Smart-Gilas national development team of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

The report was triggered by his refusal to sign a contract with Burger King which has offered him the maximum P8.7-million over three years.

The reason, according to sources, is not about money. Rather, it was the way he was treated by the Philippine team coaching staff headed by Yeng Guiao during the FIBA-Asia championship in China.
If this were true, it would be ironic since it was Guiao who insisted on Burger King management to take him as No. 1 overall pick.

Aguilar, who has been courted heavily by both the PBA and the SBP, was said to be unhappy over his limited playing time during the FIBA-sponsored tournament.
Calls to Aguilar to confirm the reports were not answered. Burger King official and PBA chairman Lito Alvarez and coach Yeng Guiao also could not be reached for comment.

SBP executive-director Noli Eala said they have not been in contact with the Western Kentucky University standout, although he had said earlier that the SBP door is wide open for Aguilar.

“We have no comment on that,” Eala said. “We have not talked to Japeth, or his father Peter (Aguilar), or his representatives.”

A number of prized rookies have signed contracts with their respective teams, including Rico Maierhofer of Purefoods and Jervy Cruz of Rain or Shine.

Aguilar had been offered a three-year deal by the SBP to join Smart-Gilas before the draft, but he opted to join the PBA last August 1.

In the event he does not sign with Burger King, Aguilar, will be barred from playing with any PBA ballclub, but he can play with any other team outside of the PBA.

If this is the real reason why Japeth doesn't want to sign up with BK and Coach Yeng Guiao, it only means one thing - Japeth is a friggin' 6'9 baby!! Dios ko mio Japeth, act like a grown-up and live up to your height!!! If this is the level of maturity that you have right now, you really have no right to join Coach Yeng's BK or Smart Gilas or any basketball team that employs a coach that doesn't baby players. Talk about drama queens sheez :mad:

c_d
08-27-2009, 03:03 PM
If Japeth will be banned from playing in the PBA if he doesn't sign with a club, the best for him to do is to demand to be traded to TnT since they've already expressed their interest in Japeth even before the draft. Once TnT acquires the rights to Japeth, they can offer him the equivalent of whatever he'll be getting had he signed the SBP contract that was previously offered to him so there won't be animosity between him and the others who chose Gilas over the PBA. They can release him to Gilas afterwards. However, TnT first has to make sure that the board will agree to release Japeth to Gilas.

lovejones
08-27-2009, 03:10 PM
If Japeth will be banned from playing in the PBA if he doesn't sign with a club, the best for him to do is to demand to be traded to TnT since they've already expressed their interest in Japeth even before the draft. Once TnT acquires the rights to Japeth, they can offer him the equivalent of whatever he'll be getting had he signed the SBP contract that was previously offered to him so there won't be animosity between him and the others who chose Gilas over the PBA. They can release him to Gilas afterwards. However, TnT first has to make sure that the board will agree to release Japeth to Gilas.

I agree. I think the best that TNT could do is to offer any one or two of its players to BK in exchange for the number 1 draft pick.

than11
08-27-2009, 03:16 PM
yeah.. that is right.. All BK have on Japeth is that they have the only right to sign Japeth Aguilar and nobody else.. that's it.. Nobody can force a player to sign and play for thier team.. if he understand that he can earn more playing somewhere else besides PBA well that is an individual right..

That's the principle behind the draft bro..you dont sign up for the draft if you do not intend to play in the league..If he uderstood that he can be better off playing somewhere else then he should not have applied for the draft..Same case everywhere..The only thing that can prevent PBA from imposing on him is if he has a live contract with any club or team outside of the PBA..Like Rubio, he was drafted by Minnesota in the NBA but he has a live contract in Europe so he can't jump ship just like that..a buyout has to be worked out..Or our very own Jason Castro, he had a live contact with the Slingers when he applied for the draft so the TnT had to buyout the contract just to have him in the PBA..Cabagnot's case had already set a precedent, he was not keen on joining SLR after the draft but he was left with no other choice after a threat of getting banned was issued..Maybe Japeth will sign the contract offered by BK, then SBP will buy him out of the contract..After all, if MVP had the money to buy out Castro's Slinger contract, he should have enough for Japeth's..:)

grahamtelly
08-27-2009, 03:38 PM
After college, the Los Angeles Clippers drafted Ferry in the first round (second overall pick) of the 1989 NBA Draft; he did not want to play with the Clippers, and Ferry soon afterwards accepted an offer to play for the Italian league's Il Messaggero (now Virtus Roma) instead. Soon after Ferry went to Italy, his rights were traded, along with Reggie Williams, to the Cleveland Cavaliers in exchange for high-scoring guard Ron Harper, two first-round draft picks and a second-round pick.

Such scenario happend before in the NBA with Danny Ferry in Japeth's case i hope Smart Gilas or TNT will steal him from Yeng and BK. but we all know MVP is a major stock holder of BK i guess its really Yeng whos scaring Japeth from signing with BK due to some bad experience with the Powerade team.

GoldenStallion87
08-27-2009, 04:06 PM
Actually based on his coaching experience, Yeng is not a very nice coach to play with. He bad mouths players. He is the Don Nelson (current coach of the Golden State Warriors) equivalent.

Now with Japeth, whether he likes his coach or not, he has made his decision to play in the pros and was selected by BK. I believe he was offered a 3 year contract. He should be a man of his word. Whether he has signed the contract or not he must be committed. Play out his contract. There are two things that can happen. First, he plays the first conference and does not show the spunk that he is expected to, BK might trade him to another team. Second, after his first year with BK, he does not play like what everybody is expecting him to, he will also get traded to another team. The point is, just play and see how it goes. Yes, he might have second thoughts now about Yeng when he played for him with RP-Powerade, but that is what a pro is all about and that is why you are called a pro. One must learn how to adjust to certain situation. He is already 22 years old and considered to be mature enough to make decisions but he is still acting like a baby.

If he decides not to play with BK and jumps to Smart Gilas where the training will be more rigorous, I wonder what he will do next. I think this is the reason why he got very limited playing time while at WKU. He has not work ethic. Just wants to work or practice a little the expects a lot of playing time. Despite his talent and height and athleticism, it all boils down to heart and desire and hardwork which I do not see. These aspects will be his downfall unless he fixes these very soon.

than11
08-27-2009, 04:48 PM
^^ IMO..if Japeth demands for a trade, then the Danny Ferry case can be taken into account since the PBA was patterned from the NBA. If BK won't give in to his demand then he can go and sign up with Smart Gilas. Another problem could arise, though, as BK still has the rights on him..and once they agree to have him traded, he needs to go back to the PBA and play for the team that acquired him..What happens to his Smart Gilas contract by then? NBA teams can buyout Euroleague contracts on behalf of the players they want..Can PBA teams do that for Smart Gilas players?..Sure they can..But these players will be villified for turning their back on national service..We will be cursing them to death..Waaah!Too complicated...Durden_Tyler is right, "a can of worms will be openned"..

c_d
08-27-2009, 05:24 PM
Playing the waiting game (http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/sports/15251-playing-the-waiting-game.html)

Sports
Written by Rick Olivares / Columnist
Thursday, 27 August 2009 23:58

ALL seemed quiet a day after Japeth Aguilar’s representatives engaged in a sort of a tug o’ war with Burger King management.

Perhaps because the crisis is being managed with care so much so that the six-foot-nine, 22-year-old No. 1 draft pick would be eventually convinced to don a Whopper jersey come the Philippine Cup of the 35th Philippine Basketball Association season in October.

“Nothing has been finalized. We will see where this goes,” said Ronnie Nathanielsz, a newspaper columnist and sports broadcaster who is said to be Aguilar’s manager.

Yeng Guiao, the Burger King head coach who wanted to win his first All-Filipino crown with Aguilar on the Whopper roster, left the decision to his team’s management.

“I will leave this to Lito Alvarez to sort out. If Japeth signs with us then we will welcome him to our team because as you know, we could use a talent like him for the PBA wars,” he said.

Alvarez is Burger King’s representative to the PBA board. He is also the 35th season league chairman.

Aguilar, represented by Nathanielsz and his father Peter, a former pro, reportedly did not sign any contracts with Burger King when his camp met with Alvarez on Wednesday afternoon in Makati. The elder Aguilar is in the US but actively participated in the negotiations through telephone.

The young center apparently was turned off with how Guiao handled him during the Fiba-Asia Championship in Tianjin, China. Aguilar was sparingly used, especially against the powerhouse teams Iran, Jordan and even Korea.

Guiao earlier reasoned out Aguilar was not ripe for the Tianjin tournament—although he has repeatedly described the former Ateneo Blue Eagle as the “next dominant big man in the PBA.”

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas has been openly expressing its interest for Aguilar to join the Smart-Gilas developmental team full-time. As a result, speculations are rife he is headed toward that direction.

OjiesIII
08-27-2009, 07:37 PM
Hope they can resolve this peacefully and wish japeth could join in to smart-gilas basketball.. BK is not for him and his camp knows that.. hope a trade will come in and he will be traded to tnt since they are sister company.. MVP for sure will fix this misunderstanding..

OjiesIII
08-27-2009, 08:00 PM
That's the principle behind the draft bro..you dont sign up for the draft if you do not intend to play in the league..If he uderstood that he can be better off playing somewhere else then he should not have applied for the draft..Same case everywhere..The only thing that can prevent PBA from imposing on him is if he has a live contract with any club or team outside of the PBA..Like Rubio, he was drafted by Minnesota in the NBA but he has a live contract in Europe so he can't jump ship just like that..a buyout has to be worked out..Or our very own Jason Castro, he had a live contact with the Slingers when he applied for the draft so the TnT had to buyout the contract just to have him in the PBA..Cabagnot's case had already set a precedent, he was not keen on joining SLR after the draft but he was left with no other choice after a threat of getting banned was issued..Maybe Japeth will sign the contract offered by BK, then SBP will buy him out of the contract..After all, if MVP had the money to buy out Castro's Slinger contract, he should have enough for Japeth's..:)

i know sir.. but its all been said and done.. he entered the draft and Bk have the rights to him. but can you force him to play for them?? if i were Lito Alvarez i would trade Japeth and get a quality player that can help my team and would love to play under yeng guiao.. as young japeth is he could make some decisions right know that is very questionable.. but all we can do as a fan is just to support him. at the end he still likes to play here.. much better for the flag..

DRRC
08-27-2009, 08:22 PM
Can somebody talk to Mr JA
Pls sign with the SMART GILAS team
He will learn more, get better and have more exposure hence more opportunities with the Smart Gilas under Toroman
I dont understand why he is wanting to go to BK and just be in the PBA when there is a whole world he can experience with the smart team

GoldenStallion87
08-27-2009, 08:26 PM
To add to that. He will get world wide exposure and in doing so attract the attention of European and NBA Scouts and who knows we will all get to see the chance for the very first Filipino to play either in the NBA or Europe.

el scorcho
08-27-2009, 11:27 PM
If YG and BK get stubborn and refuse to trade Japeth, it's their loss. This is their chance to at least get something in return.

If Japeth signs with Gilas, his trade value will diminish,since the receiving team will either have to wait out his Gilas stint or buyout his contract.

If Japeth finds greener pastures and never returns to the PBA, that is the worst case scenario for BK. Their first overall pick is wasted.

Best option for BK: If Japeth doesnt really want to play for your team, better trade him now while he is a valuable commodity to the other teams.

namamangha
08-28-2009, 12:00 AM
Japeth is now playing with the Smart Gilas Pilipinas men's national basketball team. Let us all hope, and pray, that he delivers. (That he deserves all these brouhaha.)

than11
08-28-2009, 12:11 AM
Japeth is now playing with the Smart Gilas Pilipinas men's national basketball team. Let us all hope, and pray, that he delivers. (That he deserves all these brouhaha.)

Confirmed???...You mean "playing" like he signed up with Smart Gilas or "playing" like he was loaned?..

el scorcho
08-28-2009, 12:13 AM
Japeth is now playing with the Smart Gilas Pilipinas men's national basketball team. Let us all hope, and pray, that he delivers. (That he deserves all these brouhaha.)

Really?! If this is confirmed, then it's good news...for the time being. Hope he does better than in Tianjin.

At least he got rid of YG's ghost..

ma4ma
08-28-2009, 12:32 AM
Aguilar has yet to sign PBA contract with BK

Japeth Aguilar has yet to sign with Burger King fueling speculations that this year’s Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) top rookie pick is thinking of playing for the Smart Gilas Pilipinas national team.
Japeth Aguilar tries to dunk the ball during one of Powerade-Team Pilipinas' practice sessions at the FilOil Flying V Arena in San Juan City. - GMANews.TV

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas hopes to invite the 6-foot-10 former Western Kentucky University standout to join the Gilas team under coach Rajko Toroman.

SBP formed the Gilas team with the hopes of winning the 2011 FIBA Asia men’s championship crown that would earn for the Philippines the lone spot allotted for Asia in the 2012 London Olympics.

Its players, all from the amateur ranks, are committed to stay with the team for three years in the lead-up to the Olympic quest.

But since Aguilar decided to turn pro, the SBP would have to make special arrangements with the PBA and Burger King to get his services.

But Burger King team manager and newly-installed PBA chairman Lito Alvarez said he is not rushing things amidst speculation that Aguilar wants to play for Smart-Gilas than starting a career with the Whopper.

Alvarez said that Aguilar has yet to sign a three-year maximum contract with the Whopper. “He has yet to sign a contract. Japeth along with his agent, Ronnie Nathanielsz and Japeth’s sister met with me, but we haven’t reached an agreement yet."

Aguilar, who played both for the all-pro Powerade-Team Pilipinas in the FIBA Asia men’s championship and the William Jones Cup, was also part of the Gilas squad that competed in the Asian Club Championship.

He is reportedly having second thoughts of signing a contract with the Whopper or join the SBP-backed squad bankrolled by businessman/sportsman Manny V. Pangilinan, who is also a part owner of the Burger King franchise in the PBA.

Alvarez, however, sees no reason why Aguilar won’t sign the contract. The new PBA chair said he followed all legal means in negotiating with Aguilar’s contract.

“Hindi naman ako nag-offer ng one year lang eh," said Alvarez. “I offered (Aguilar) three years maximum so ano pa ba ang gusto nila? That’s the best offer we can give."

Alvarez said he already presented the issue to PBA commissioner Sonny Barriors for arbitration.

“His mindset should be in the PBA. In the first place, why would he apply for the draft kung hindi naman pala niya focus ang PBA? Whatever his decision is, we still have the rights on his services and we can exercise so many options on him," said Alvarez.

Should Aguilar decides not to play for Burgr King, which owns his services, Alvarez said that he could face stiff sanction, including a possible ban from the PBA. “Remember the case on Alex Cabagnot? He bolted out of Sta. Lucia’s camp but went back to play for his mother team, but he was banned for awhile." – GMANews.TV

Kappan
08-28-2009, 02:04 AM
Aguilar has yet to sign PBA contract with BK

Japeth Aguilar has yet to sign with Burger King fueling speculations that this year’s Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) top rookie pick is thinking of playing for the Smart Gilas Pilipinas national team.
Japeth Aguilar tries to dunk the ball during one of Powerade-Team Pilipinas' practice sessions at the FilOil Flying V Arena in San Juan City. - GMANews.TV

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas hopes to invite the 6-foot-10 former Western Kentucky University standout to join the Gilas team under coach Rajko Toroman.

SBP formed the Gilas team with the hopes of winning the 2011 FIBA Asia men’s championship crown that would earn for the Philippines the lone spot allotted for Asia in the 2012 London Olympics.

Its players, all from the amateur ranks, are committed to stay with the team for three years in the lead-up to the Olympic quest.

But since Aguilar decided to turn pro, the SBP would have to make special arrangements with the PBA and Burger King to get his services.

But Burger King team manager and newly-installed PBA chairman Lito Alvarez said he is not rushing things amidst speculation that Aguilar wants to play for Smart-Gilas than starting a career with the Whopper.

Alvarez said that Aguilar has yet to sign a three-year maximum contract with the Whopper. “He has yet to sign a contract. Japeth along with his agent, Ronnie Nathanielsz and Japeth’s sister met with me, but we haven’t reached an agreement yet."

Aguilar, who played both for the all-pro Powerade-Team Pilipinas in the FIBA Asia men’s championship and the William Jones Cup, was also part of the Gilas squad that competed in the Asian Club Championship.

He is reportedly having second thoughts of signing a contract with the Whopper or join the SBP-backed squad bankrolled by businessman/sportsman Manny V. Pangilinan, who is also a part owner of the Burger King franchise in the PBA.

Alvarez, however, sees no reason why Aguilar won’t sign the contract. The new PBA chair said he followed all legal means in negotiating with Aguilar’s contract.

“Hindi naman ako nag-offer ng one year lang eh," said Alvarez. “I offered (Aguilar) three years maximum so ano pa ba ang gusto nila? That’s the best offer we can give."

Alvarez said he already presented the issue to PBA commissioner Sonny Barriors for arbitration.

“His mindset should be in the PBA. In the first place, why would he apply for the draft kung hindi naman pala niya focus ang PBA? Whatever his decision is, we still have the rights on his services and we can exercise so many options on him," said Alvarez.

Should Aguilar decides not to play for Burgr King, which owns his services, Alvarez said that he could face stiff sanction, including a possible ban from the PBA. “Remember the case on Alex Cabagnot? He bolted out of Sta. Lucia’s camp but went back to play for his mother team, but he was banned for awhile." – GMANews.TV

They better be careful of banning Japeth in case he opted to play for SBP .... it is unconstitutional .... take note that a person has the right to choose .... so if the terms are not okey then signing of a contract could not be pushed ... so whatever Whoopers' rights there is then that should be implemented provided it is not unconstitutional.......

rensquared
08-28-2009, 02:18 AM
Should Aguilar decides not to play for Burgr King, which owns his services, Alvarez said that he could face stiff sanction, including a possible ban from the PBA. “Remember the case on Alex Cabagnot? He bolted out of Sta. Lucia’s camp but went back to play for his mother team, but he was banned for awhile." – GMANews.TV

So Alvarez means that they can punish the player even if he is not signed any contract yet? Being drafted doesn't mean you will automatically signed by the team. So if the player has not yet signed the contract, even if he is drafted by the team, then he is not yet tied to the team or the PBA itself. Being banned will be unconstitutional. Its like you're being forced to play, a blackmail perse. Its unfair to the player.

timberpro
08-28-2009, 03:17 AM
Looks like Japeth was not happy on how he was treated during the FIBA stint.
I just wish he considers playing for the country and not for a stupid coach.

Hope he realizes that being under Guiao is not worthwhile. He has nothing to lose but everything to gain if he played for the NT. After 3 years, I surely bet he can still get into PBA, and play for wherever he wants or for atleast a respectable coach.

I dont think he will be banned forever should he not sign up with Baldy's King.
With Japeth's talent and potential, Im sure PBA will give into letting him join the PBA eventhough he gets banned. Almost all teams in PBA want him now. PBA has its own kind of politics too.

I don't think there will be a player with the same size and potential as Japeth after 3 yrs. Well maybe 2 or 3 others, but I would say after his stint with the NT, he will be just as bankable if not more.

Id love to see Gilas beat the hell out of Guiao's team.

PUGOtipm
08-28-2009, 03:21 AM
Aguilar hurt by coach's snub in FIBA tilt?
Friday, August 28, 2009 3:12:00 AM

Japeth Aguilar remained unheard from after reports circulated that 6-foot-10 former Ateneo Blue Eagle who was drafted first overall in the recent PBA draft by Burger King might dump his team Burger King and join the all-amateur Smart-Gilas national development team of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

The report was triggered by his refusal to sign a contract with Burger King which has offered him the maximum P8.7-million over three years.

The reason, according to sources, is not about money. Rather, it was the way he was treated by the Philippine team coaching staff headed by Yeng Guiao during the FIBA-Asia championship in China.

Aguilar, who has been courted heavily by both the PBA and the SBP, was said to be unhappy over his limited playing time during the FIBA-sponsored tournament.

Calls to Aguilar to confirm the reports were not answered. Burger King official and PBA chairman Lito Alvarez and coach Yeng Guiao also could not be reached for comment.

SBP executive-director Noli Eala said they have not been in contact with the Western Kentucky University standout, although he had said earlier that the SBP door is wide open for Aguilar.

"We have no comment on that," Eala said. "We have not talked to Japeth, or his father Peter (Aguilar), or his representatives."

A number of prized rookies have signed contracts with their respective teams, including Rico Maierhofer of Purefoods and Jervy Cruz of Rain or Shine.

Aguilar had been offered a three-year deal by the SBP to join Smart-Gilas before the draft, but he opted to join the PBA last August 1.

In the event he does not sign with Burger King, Aguilar, will be barred from playing with any PBA ballclub, but he can play with any other team outside of the PBA. Waylon Galvez - Manila Bulletin

namamangha
08-28-2009, 03:54 AM
“He has yet to sign a contract. Japeth along with his agent, Ronnie Nathanielsz and Japeth’s sister met with me, but we haven’t reached an agreement yet."

If Japeth wants to play for his country, let him. The current PBA Chairman of the Board, Lito Alvarez, is the one most likely to be embarrassed from all these. Him and Yeng, the man.)



Aguilar has yet to sign PBA contract with BK

Japeth Aguilar has yet to sign with Burger King fueling speculations that this year’s Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) top rookie pick is thinking of playing for the Smart Gilas Pilipinas national team.
Japeth Aguilar tries to dunk the ball during one of Powerade-Team Pilipinas' practice sessions at the FilOil Flying V Arena in San Juan City. - GMANews.TV

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas hopes to invite the 6-foot-10 former Western Kentucky University standout to join the Gilas team under coach Rajko Toroman.

SBP formed the Gilas team with the hopes of winning the 2011 FIBA Asia men’s championship crown that would earn for the Philippines the lone spot allotted for Asia in the 2012 London Olympics.

Its players, all from the amateur ranks, are committed to stay with the team for three years in the lead-up to the Olympic quest.

But since Aguilar decided to turn pro, the SBP would have to make special arrangements with the PBA and Burger King to get his services.

But Burger King team manager and newly-installed PBA chairman Lito Alvarez said he is not rushing things amidst speculation that Aguilar wants to play for Smart-Gilas than starting a career with the Whopper.

Alvarez said that Aguilar has yet to sign a three-year maximum contract with the Whopper. “He has yet to sign a contract. Japeth along with his agent, Ronnie Nathanielsz and Japeth’s sister met with me, but we haven’t reached an agreement yet."

Aguilar, who played both for the all-pro Powerade-Team Pilipinas in the FIBA Asia men’s championship and the William Jones Cup, was also part of the Gilas squad that competed in the Asian Club Championship.

He is reportedly having second thoughts of signing a contract with the Whopper or join the SBP-backed squad bankrolled by businessman/sportsman Manny V. Pangilinan, who is also a part owner of the Burger King franchise in the PBA.

Alvarez, however, sees no reason why Aguilar won’t sign the contract. The new PBA chair said he followed all legal means in negotiating with Aguilar’s contract.

“Hindi naman ako nag-offer ng one year lang eh," said Alvarez. “I offered (Aguilar) three years maximum so ano pa ba ang gusto nila? That’s the best offer we can give."

Alvarez said he already presented the issue to PBA commissioner Sonny Barriors for arbitration.

“His mindset should be in the PBA. In the first place, why would he apply for the draft kung hindi naman pala niya focus ang PBA? Whatever his decision is, we still have the rights on his services and we can exercise so many options on him," said Alvarez.

Should Aguilar decides not to play for Burgr King, which owns his services, Alvarez said that he could face stiff sanction, including a possible ban from the PBA. “Remember the case on Alex Cabagnot? He bolted out of Sta. Lucia’s camp but went back to play for his mother team, but he was banned for awhile." – GMANews.TV

Kappan
08-28-2009, 03:57 AM
Aguilar hurt by coach's snub in FIBA tilt?
Friday, August 28, 2009 3:12:00 AM

Japeth Aguilar remained unheard from after reports circulated that 6-foot-10 former Ateneo Blue Eagle who was drafted first overall in the recent PBA draft by Burger King might dump his team Burger King and join the all-amateur Smart-Gilas national development team of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

The report was triggered by his refusal to sign a contract with Burger King which has offered him the maximum P8.7-million over three years.

The reason, according to sources, is not about money. Rather, it was the way he was treated by the Philippine team coaching staff headed by Yeng Guiao during the FIBA-Asia championship in China.

Aguilar, who has been courted heavily by both the PBA and the SBP, was said to be unhappy over his limited playing time during the FIBA-sponsored tournament.

Calls to Aguilar to confirm the reports were not answered. Burger King official and PBA chairman Lito Alvarez and coach Yeng Guiao also could not be reached for comment.

SBP executive-director Noli Eala said they have not been in contact with the Western Kentucky University standout, although he had said earlier that the SBP door is wide open for Aguilar.

"We have no comment on that," Eala said. "We have not talked to Japeth, or his father Peter (Aguilar), or his representatives."

A number of prized rookies have signed contracts with their respective teams, including Rico Maierhofer of Purefoods and Jervy Cruz of Rain or Shine.

Aguilar had been offered a three-year deal by the SBP to join Smart-Gilas before the draft, but he opted to join the PBA last August 1.

In the event he does not sign with Burger King, Aguilar, will be barred from playing with any PBA ballclub, but he can play with any other team outside of the PBA. Waylon Galvez - Manila Bulletin

A win-win solution could be trading Aguilar from BK to TNText ... then it would be easy then for TNT to adjust Aguilar's playing schedules with SBP-Smart Gilas and TNText just as long as the PBA is open to lend players to SBP.

I think Kots Kalbs failed to optimize Aguilar's potential during the FIBA Asia. He could have played PF and not as Center.

namamangha
08-28-2009, 03:57 AM
Confirmed???...You mean "playing" like he signed up with Smart Gilas or "playing" like he was loaned?..

Yes, Japeth is playing for, and with, Gilas Pilipinas.

sharky
08-28-2009, 03:58 AM
maybe Japeth can do a Ricky Rubio type of scenario where his services belong to the Wolves but he will not be able to join them till 2011 because he is still in contract with his Euroleague team DKV Joventut.

if he want to do that he should sign a contract with Gilas ASAP.. and then after 2-3 years he can now join his PBA team BK Whoppers. juz hope that Yeng Guiao is not the coach anymore.

rensquared
08-28-2009, 04:00 AM
Yes, Japeth is playing for, and with, Gilas Pilipinas.

Any links for that news sir?

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 04:10 AM
To add to that. He will get world wide exposure and in doing so attract the attention of European and NBA Scouts and who knows we will all get to see the chance for the very first Filipino to play either in the NBA or Europe.

Agreed!!!

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 04:12 AM
Yes, Japeth is playing for, and with, Gilas Pilipinas.

WOnderful news sir!!! hope SBP and MVP will confirm it soon...

donmar
08-28-2009, 04:17 AM
Aguilar hurt by coach's snub in FIBA tilt?
Friday, August 28, 2009 3:12:00 AM

Japeth Aguilar remained unheard from after reports circulated that 6-foot-10 former Ateneo Blue Eagle who was drafted first overall in the recent PBA draft by Burger King might dump his team Burger King and join the all-amateur Smart-Gilas national development team of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

The report was triggered by his refusal to sign a contract with Burger King which has offered him the maximum P8.7-million over three years.

The reason, according to sources, is not about money. Rather, it was the way he was treated by the Philippine team coaching staff headed by Yeng Guiao during the FIBA-Asia championship in China.

Aguilar, who has been courted heavily by both the PBA and the SBP, was said to be unhappy over his limited playing time during the FIBA-sponsored tournament.

Calls to Aguilar to confirm the reports were not answered. Burger King official and PBA chairman Lito Alvarez and coach Yeng Guiao also could not be reached for comment.

SBP executive-director Noli Eala said they have not been in contact with the Western Kentucky University standout, although he had said earlier that the SBP door is wide open for Aguilar.

"We have no comment on that," Eala said. "We have not talked to Japeth, or his father Peter (Aguilar), or his representatives."

A number of prized rookies have signed contracts with their respective teams, including Rico Maierhofer of Purefoods and Jervy Cruz of Rain or Shine.

Aguilar had been offered a three-year deal by the SBP to join Smart-Gilas before the draft, but he opted to join the PBA last August 1.

In the event he does not sign with Burger King, Aguilar, will be barred from playing with any PBA ballclub, but he can play with any other team outside of the PBA. Waylon Galvez - Manila Bulletin

If this is true... then its a karma to Yeng Guiao... shame!... shame to you baldy... hope you loss the election...

Yeng Guiao Formula: PBA coach + RP Team coach + Politician + BCAP = Disaster

Anyway, thats probably the last time I'm going to ridicule or demonizing Yeng Guiao... BUT I CAN'T PROMISE THAT... he makes my blood boils...

I'll stick with Japeth Aguilar, Gabe Norwood and Jared Dillinger as the only PBA reinforced to Smart-Gilas RP Team....

alien space bats
08-28-2009, 04:20 AM
WOnderful news sir!!! hope SBP and MVP will confirm it soon...

if this is true, it's a wise decision by japeth because the philippine agaw buko association will just shun his growth as a player. he'll be turned into a selfish, go-to guy because very few can match up a japeth aguilar in paba (considering most of its centers are small-sized). this will be very bad in fiba competitions and even if japeth is plucked in the nick of time to join smart-gilas, his exposure in the agaw buko style of basketball will have been irreversible and hence detrimental to the national interest.

kaiziken_pinas
08-28-2009, 04:21 AM
If this is true... then its a karma to Yeng Guiao... shame!... shame to you baldy... hope you loss the election...

Yeng Guiao Formula: PBA coach + RP Team coach + Politician + BCAP = Disaster

Anyway, thats probably the last time I'm going to ridicule or demonizing Yeng Guiao... BUT I CAN'T PROMISE THAT... he makes my blood boils...

I'll stick with Japeth Aguilar, Gabe Norwood and Jared Dillinger as the only PBA reinforced to Smart-Gilas RP Team....

any consideration for K Will sir?

anyway.... it's what Toroman wants.

What Toroman wants, I want too... LOL

alien space bats
08-28-2009, 04:28 AM
If this is true... then its a karma to Yeng Guiao... shame!... shame to you baldy... hope you loss the election...

Yeng Guiao Formula: PBA coach + RP Team coach + Politician + BCAP = Disaster

Anyway, thats probably the last time I'm going to ridicule or demonizing Yeng Guiao... BUT I CAN'T PROMISE THAT... he makes my blood boils...

I'll stick with Japeth Aguilar, Gabe Norwood and Jared Dillinger as the only PBA reinforced to Smart-Gilas RP Team....

lol. i noticed it too. coach guiao's uncalled for benching of aguilar backfired. aguilar did not train in the USA just to play for PBA, that's for sure. he has bigger things in mind. FIBA Asia is way bigger than PBA. if japeth felt slighted by the coach's actuations, i can fully understand that. coach guiao blew it although i wouldnt be too hard on him. i still maintain that it's the pba system that sucks, not the players and coaches. if at all, coach guiao is just a willing victim of the agaw buko system that's eating up our beloved basketball.

donmar
08-28-2009, 04:30 AM
any consideration for K Will sir?

anyway.... it's what Toroman wants.

What Toroman wants, I want too... LOL


But Kelly Williams is sick... I don't to force him and risk his entire career or even his own life.... when it comes to life and death, flag and country had to come second in my opinion...

If he is fully recover though, then I'll pick him first over Gabe and Jared... and if it only three reinforcement allowed, I don't mind having Japeth, K-Will and Gabe...

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 04:34 AM
if this is true, it's a wise decision by japeth because the philippine agaw buko association will just shun his growth as a player. he'll be turned into a selfish, go-to guy because very few can match up a japeth aguilar in paba (considering most of its centers are small-sized). this will be very bad in fiba competitions and even if japeth is plucked in the nick of time to join smart-gilas, his exposure in the agaw buko style of basketball will have been irreversible and hence detrimental to the national interest.

Father's knows Best.. Peter will not let that happend. their is a reason why he was recruited by the WKU it means that he has big potential.. the prob is he never got it yet since he was always injured back there.. but offcourse this Smart-gilas opportunity will be his last chance to keep his NBA dream a live.. if he will enter PBA right now that dream wont materialize.. he will be training under yeng? he will be up against what?? 6'5 bigman belga and quiniahan. he's what? 6'10?? that is not good for a player who has a lot of potential.. if he will play to smart-gilas under Coach Toroman who develop Nba caliber players he will be up against 6'10 and 6'11 guys who move and plays like him even better than him...

kaiziken_pinas
08-28-2009, 04:34 AM
But Kelly Williams is sick... I don't to force him and risk his entire career or even his own life.... when it comes to life and death, flag and country had to come second in my opinion...

If he is fully recover though, then I'll pick him first over Gabe and Jared... and if it only three reinforcement allowed, I don't mind having Japeth, K-Will and Gabe...


anyway sir, I better change my avatar now.... it sux....

you are right, flag and country should come 2nd to life and death.

But I read in teampilipinas.info

K will is getting better and will play in the Philippines Cup this October.
He's not a 100% but he's getting better everyday.
Can't w8 for it...

durden_tyler
08-28-2009, 05:50 AM
So Alvarez means that they can punish the player even if he is not signed any contract yet? Being drafted doesn't mean you will automatically signed by the team. So if the player has not yet signed the contract, even if he is drafted by the team, then he is not yet tied to the team or the PBA itself. Being banned will be unconstitutional. Its like you're being forced to play, a blackmail perse. Its unfair to the player.

Yes and no. Being drafted does not mean you have to sign a contract. But it does mean your signing rights is owned by that team. Alvarez, BK and the PBA has every right to protect the integrity of the draft.

What would happen if every other player in the draft demands that they be traded (because of negotiatoins bogging down left and right)?

Now, Japeth's case is a different scenario obviously. He has leverage because he has a team interested in him that is outside the PBA. What can the PBA do aside from barring him so that this will not be a bad precedent? How can they punish a player who has disrespected the rules of the draft (and the league?) Barring him could be the only solution.

BUT, here's a big but, if BK and Gilas has some sort of deal already in place, all these speculations will be for naught.

BUT again if there is none, there will be repercussions so Japeth must make sure he can be with Gilas for the rest of his career OR find takers from Europe or maybe the NBDL or NBA.

dxjayrock2008
08-28-2009, 05:59 AM
Well, just in case japeth will be playing for smart gilas, what will happened to other pba 2009 draftees who refused to play for smart gilas? The likes of rico maierhofer, ogie menor & marcy arellano. They might be scratching their heads & they will say, DAMN! We should have accepted the offer of SBP!:D
Off-topic: this is an example of agawang buko video. LOL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W8Lw8aVANQ

durden_tyler
08-28-2009, 06:02 AM
Well, just in case japeth will be playing for smart gilas, what will happened to other pba 2009 draftees who refused to play for smart gilas? The likes of rico maierhofer, ogie menor & marcy arellano. They might be scratching their heads & they will say, DAMN! We should have accepted the offer of SBP!:D
Off-topic: this is an example of agawang buko video. LOL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W8Lw8aVANQ

Actually no. Maierhofer, Menor and Arrelano were never offered the max salary like Tiu (and possibly Japeth) so they were really in it for the money (more money i should say)

namamangha
08-28-2009, 06:05 AM
Yes and no. Being drafted does not mean you have to sign a contract. But it does mean your signing rights is owned by that team. Alvarez, BK and the PBA has every right to protect the integrity of the draft.

What would happen if every other player in the draft demands that they be traded (because of negotiatoins bogging down left and right)?

Now, Japeth's case is a different scenario obviously. He has leverage because he has a team interested in him that is outside the PBA. What can the PBA do aside from barring him so that this will not be a bad precedent? How can they punish a player who has disrespected the rules of the draft (and the league?) Barring him could be the only solution.

BUT, here's a big but, if BK and Gilas has some sort of deal already in place, all these speculations will be for naught.

BUT again if there is none, there will be repercussions so Japeth must make sure he can be with Gilas for the rest of his career OR find takers from Europe or maybe the NBDL or NBA.



Guys, please note that before Gilas Pilipinas, Japeth NEVER signed up for nobody.

Also note, that Japeth is doing this for his country, and THEN, for himself. He gets nothing more than the PBA max contract level.

This incident (Japeth brouhaha) happened because Philippine basketball is ripe for change.

We, Filipinos LOVE basketball, and we all work hard for our basketball, therefore, we DESERVE this change.

Watch it all unfold.

This is just the beginning.

Welcome, embrace, the new Pinoy basketball!

dxjayrock2008
08-28-2009, 06:05 AM
Well, they should join the tag team of cryme tyme of wwe. Money, money, yeah, yeah!:D

durden_tyler
08-28-2009, 06:08 AM
Well, they should join the tag team of cryme tyme of wwe. Money, money, yeah, yeah!:D

Exactly. Last time i looked basketball is still business ;) And of course, patriotism too--- good times, i enjoy all kinds of basketball ;)

namamangha
08-28-2009, 06:10 AM
Well, just in case japeth will be playing for smart gilas, what will happened to other pba 2009 draftees who refused to play for smart gilas? The likes of rico maierhofer, ogie menor & marcy arellano. They might be scratching their heads & they will say, DAMN! We should have accepted the offer of SBP!:D
Off-topic: this is an example of agawang buko video. LOL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W8Lw8aVANQ


The above-mentioned names ALREADY SIGNED-UP with the the PBA.

That's good for them, at least they get paid -- while sitting out most moments of the games of their teams.

They were given the choice to join Gilas. Pero, they'd rather play in the PBA.

donmar
08-28-2009, 06:12 AM
Yes and no. Being drafted does not mean you have to sign a contract. But it does mean your signing rights is owned by that team. Alvarez, BK and the PBA has every right to protect the integrity of the draft.

What would happen if every other player in the draft demands that they be traded (because of negotiatoins bogging down left and right)?

Now, Japeth's case is a different scenario obviously. He has leverage because he has a team interested in him that is outside the PBA. What can the PBA do aside from barring him so that this will not be a bad precedent? How can they punish a player who has disrespected the rules of the draft (and the league?) Barring him could be the only solution.

BUT, here's a big but, if BK and Gilas has some sort of deal already in place, all these speculations will be for naught.

BUT again if there is none, there will be repercussions so Japeth must make sure he can be with Gilas for the rest of his career OR find takers from Europe or maybe the NBDL or NBA.


Agreed to this... Several years ago, some people in the San Miguel Corp. wants to re-activate Allan Caidic but they need the consent of the Red Bull Barako franchise since they own his signing rights when they drafted him in 1999...

At that time, Red Bull was the newest team and must draft their players from the unprotected players from the other teams... all PBA teams at that team must put their top 10 or 12 players in a protected list and the rest of their line-up will be either pick by Red Bull or not...

Caidic, thinking Red Bull will not pick him since he was the playing coach of Ginebra, did not put his name in the protected list... as a result Red Bull drafted him and he force himself to retire early instead rather than playing for a non-SMC team...

So Japeth can play as many years as he want outside the PBA but if he decide to play pro in the PBA... there's no other way but the Burger King Whopper... other teams who want to sign him needed the BG Whoppers' consent...

I think he can play for Gilas but as an amateur unlike Gabe or Jared, who are already contracted, they can play as loaned player to Gilas at the same time as pro players...

shootingbwakaw
08-28-2009, 06:29 AM
If he decides not to play with BK and jumps to Smart Gilas where the training will be more rigorous, I wonder what he will do next. I think this is the reason why he got very limited playing time while at WKU. He has not work ethic. Just wants to work or practice a little the expects a lot of playing time. Despite his talent and height and athleticism, it all boils down to heart and desire and hardwork which I do not see. These aspects will be his downfall unless he fixes these very soon.


I think so too. (but of course I haven't seen them practice) but he also reminds me of the young Danny I. who, I believe signed 3 live contracts (PBL, PBA, MBA) at one point before entering PBA. Misguided, misinformed or plain intellectually challeged. Similar not bec. of multiple contracts but multiple advisers leading to indecision or half-hearted decisions.

TrueBluePinoy
08-28-2009, 06:39 AM
Never rush on something if you know you're gonna end up with it sooner or later.

rhk111
08-28-2009, 08:35 AM
I think all the HYPE has finally gotten to his head.

For someone who has never played WELL anywhere in college, he sure has the nerve to demand which team to play for.

All that hype, by friends, relatives, etc., do have a purpose, and that is to position him as the number one draft pick in the PBA.

Being the number one pick, he could then ask for the best deal the PBA could give.

And that's how a player who had mediocre numbers in Ateneo and WKU could be the PBA's number one draft pick, despite the fact that the only accomplishments he can point at, are slam-dunking highlight videos on Youtube.

rhk111
08-28-2009, 08:41 AM
Yes and no. Being drafted does not mean you have to sign a contract. But it does mean your signing rights is owned by that team. Alvarez, BK and the PBA has every right to protect the integrity of the draft.

What would happen if every other player in the draft demands that they be traded (because of negotiatoins bogging down left and right)?

Now, Japeth's case is a different scenario obviously. He has leverage because he has a team interested in him that is outside the PBA. What can the PBA do aside from barring him so that this will not be a bad precedent? How can they punish a player who has disrespected the rules of the draft (and the league?) Barring him could be the only solution.

BUT, here's a big but, if BK and Gilas has some sort of deal already in place, all these speculations will be for naught.

BUT again if there is none, there will be repercussions so Japeth must make sure he can be with Gilas for the rest of his career OR find takers from Europe or maybe the NBDL or NBA.

I think the PBA should ban him, if he does not sign. It is unfair for Burger King, who will now literally have WASTED their number one pick for an overhyped player with a big head, whose only talent in basketball is dunking the ball.

Cammomile
08-28-2009, 08:46 AM
I think the PBA should ban him, if he does not sign. It is unfair for Burger King, who will now literally have WASTED their number one pick for an overhyped player with a big head, whose only talent in basketball is dunking the ball.

well dunking with style and fashion as we all know PBA is all about it..:D

TrueBluePinoy
08-28-2009, 08:48 AM
Now the worries come in. If he had the balls to show that kind of demanding attitude in the PBA, what more if he decides to sign with GILAS??

namamangha
08-28-2009, 08:53 AM
I think the PBA should ban him, if he does not sign. It is unfair for Burger King, who will now literally have WASTED their number one pick for an overhyped player with a big head, whose only talent in basketball is dunking the ball.


Calm down, sir.

Over-react further and the other forumers will find out you're an idiot.

don manoah
08-28-2009, 08:55 AM
japeth had a change of heart?he got drafted in the PBA after refusing to suit for smart-gilas...now he's not signing the contract offered to him because...BK is not offering him enough money or he had a fall out to coach yeng. and now he's thinking of playing for smart gilas again?:confused::confused::confused:
let's just say that he decides to play for smart-gilas, and after a few months or even days he decides to play for the PBA again.

hahay pag chur oi!!!! (trans: make up your mind!!!)

IMO he has become a spoiled brat...:D:D:D

rhk111
08-28-2009, 09:01 AM
Calm down, sir.

Over-react further and the other forumers will find out you're an idiot.

I'm not overreacting. I'm just telling the truth.

'Tutuo naman, di ba?' What accomplishments can you point out that Japeth did, except those Youtube videos?

He hasn't accomplished anything, and here he is demanding this, demanding that.

And why the hell are you so sore about me telling things as it is about Japeth Aguilar, that you would call me an idiot?

Who are you, one of the people hyping him?

Or are you just one of those fans who can't face the fact that Japeth is not living up their imaginations and fantasies about him being a "great" basketball player?

nardy
08-28-2009, 09:09 AM
Actually no. Maierhofer, Menor and Arrelano were never offered the max salary like Tiu (and possibly Japeth) so they were really in it for the money (more money i should say)

Rico got an offer which might not be the max but he got the 3rd highest after Tiu and Rabeh and it was not peanuts. It was Charlie Dy who promised more money to Rico, Ogie and Marcy if they ditched the Gilas offer.

Burger King is said to file a resolution for a lifetime PBA ban vs Japeth Aguilar if the boy does not agree to sign-up with them. It is said Japeth had earlier agreed in principle to join BK but after the Tianjin benching of Japeth by Yeng Guiao, Peter Aguilar told Japeth not to sign-up. Knowing Japeth, he would not disobey his parents.

nardy
08-28-2009, 09:20 AM
Does the SBP still considering John Wilson to join the Gilas pool of players? The are still going after Paul Lee who is a proto-type PBA player unless he pulls a CYRUS surprise when John Wilson is a KNOCKED DOWN 3 point shooter, a very good rebounder, and a decent defender.

John Wilson tried-out for GILAS last year but he did not pass the grade of Coach Rajko Toroman.

rensquared
08-28-2009, 09:25 AM
Rico got an offer which might not be the max but he got the 3rd highest after Tiu and Rabeh and it was not peanuts. It was Charlie Dy who promised more money to Rico, Ogie and Marcy if they ditched the Gilas offer.

Burger King is said to file a resolution for a lifetime PBA ban vs Japeth Aguilar if the boy does not agree to sign-up with them. It is said Japeth had earlier agreed in principle to join BK but after the Tianjin benching of Japeth by Yeng Guiao, Peter Aguilar told Japeth not to sign-up. Knowing Japeth, he would not disobey his parents.


What's your opinion about the Japeth case sir Nards? And who is this Charlie Dy?

zuma169
08-28-2009, 09:37 AM
I'm not overreacting. I'm just telling the truth.

'Tutuo naman, di ba?' What accomplishments can you point out that Japeth did, except those Youtube videos?

He hasn't accomplished anything, and here he is demanding this, demanding that.

And why the hell are you so sore about me telling things as it is about Japeth Aguilar, that you would call me an idiot?

Who are you, one of the people hyping him?

Or are you just one of those fans who can't face the fact that Japeth is not living up their imaginations and fantasies about him being a "great" basketball player?

with all due respect sir did Japeth demand anything? we are putting words in between the lines..

from what I understand, he just has hard feelings towards the treatment he had with the National Team. it doesn't say that he wants this or that.. so let this just be.. let us see where it goes.. I just hope that he plays for BKW and also with Gilas..

But come to think of it there is really something fishy on the way Yeng Guiao treated Japeth.. Because in my opinion he had a good and decent showing in the Jones Cup, which is a gauge for Yeng Guiao on the composition of the team and the players.. And Yeng Guiao was preaching that we need need need a bigman for potential match-ups.. and all of a sudden he was benched in the FIBA Asia.. well ok he had a slight injury but I think he can play full force.. then he just played roughly 5 to 8 mins.. why? I really think the Kid has a point that there was a little mismanagement..

just my opinion..

rhk111
08-28-2009, 10:05 AM
with all due respect sir did Japeth demand anything? we are putting words in between the lines..

from what I understand, he just has hard feelings towards the treatment he had with the National Team. it doesn't say that he wants this or that.. so let this just be.. let us see where it goes.. I just hope that he plays for BKW and also with Gilas..

But come to think of it there is really something fishy on the way Yeng Guiao treated Japeth.. Because in my opinion he had a good and decent showing in the Jones Cup, which is a gauge for Yeng Guiao on the composition of the team and the players.. And Yeng Guiao was preaching that we need need need a bigman for potential match-ups.. and all of a sudden he was benched in the FIBA Asia.. well ok he had a slight injury but I think he can play full force.. then he just played roughly 5 to 8 mins.. why? I really think the Kid has a point that there was a little mismanagement..

just my opinion..

I just don't think Japeth is acting very professionally right now.

He should just work, and stop acting like a prima donna. He hasn't anything to show for, and they are not asking him to work for free, you know.

I don't think you can doubt Yeng Guiao. Yeng put his JOB on the line, by picking Japeth Aguilar in the PBA draft. He could've picked somebody else, but no, he picked Japeth.

PROFESSIONALS like Yeng tend to think thru their choices, because they know if they make a serious mistake, they lose their jobs. If you have worked for a living to support a family, you would know how serious it is.

Whatever reason it was that Japeth was benched, that is Yeng Guiao's call. He is the coach, he knows what he is doing. And frankly, I can't blame him for benching Japeth, because it looks to me that Japeth isn't really that good as of now.

So what does Japeth want, for Yeng to keep giving him playing time even if he is not really that good? That would take away the playing time from a more deserving, more talented player. Also, it could lead to the team losing.

If Japeth wants playing time, he has to EARN. He has to show that he is good enough to be given playing time. He cannot demand to keep playing major minutes, even if he does not deserve it, and is not contributing out there on the floor.

Japeth was a bust at Ateneo, WKU and at the FIBA Asia Championships. He had some good games in the Jones Cup, but the consistency was not there, and besides, nobody was taking that tournament seriously anyway.

merps baller the return
08-28-2009, 10:14 AM
If this is true... then its a karma to Yeng Guiao... shame!... shame to you baldy... hope you loss the election...

Yeng Guiao Formula: PBA coach + RP Team coach + Politician + BCAP = Disaster

Anyway, thats probably the last time I'm going to ridicule or demonizing Yeng Guiao... BUT I CAN'T PROMISE THAT... he makes my blood boils...

I'll stick with Japeth Aguilar, Gabe Norwood and Jared Dillinger as the only PBA reinforced to Smart-Gilas RP Team....

dre puso mo...:Dtrans...watch your blood pressure:D

zuma169
08-28-2009, 10:38 AM
I just don't think Japeth is acting very professionally right now.

He should just work, and stop acting like a prima donna. He hasn't anything to show for, and they are not asking him to work for free, you know.

I don't think you can doubt Yeng Guiao. Yeng put his JOB on the line, by picking Japeth Aguilar in the PBA draft. He could've picked somebody else, but no, he picked Japeth.

PROFESSIONALS like Yeng tend to think thru their choices, because they know if they make a serious mistake, they lose their jobs. If you have worked for a living to support a family, you would know how serious it is.

Whatever reason it was that Japeth was benched, that is Yeng Guiao's call. He is the coach, he knows what he is doing. And frankly, I can't blame him for benching Japeth, because it looks to me that Japeth isn't really that good as of now.

So what does Japeth want, for Yeng to keep giving him playing time even if he is not really that good? That would take away the playing time from a more deserving, more talented player. Also, it could lead to the team losing.

If Japeth wants playing time, he has to EARN. He has to show that he is good enough to be given playing time. He cannot demand to keep playing major minutes, even if he does not deserve it, and is not contributing out there on the floor.

Japeth was a bust at Ateneo, WKU and at the FIBA Asia Championships. He had some good games in the Jones Cup, but the consistency was not there, and besides, nobody was taking that tournament seriously anyway.

but i totally agree with you that it is turning out to be UNPROFESSIONAL!

I think his father is the main architect here.. I doubt if Japeth has a say on this because he is a very soft-spoken guy.. but he is really greatly influenced by his dad.. and I think it is his dad who is making all of this.. and i think ronnie nathanielz as well..

but i really hope he would still play with Smart Gilas. I do believe that he will still play for BKW.. everything will be fixed..

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 10:42 AM
why are some people here are very angry with japeth aguilar?? because of the PBA?? If the PBA will ban him its fine its not his lost.. he can play anywhere else.. he can play in europe.. he can even play in the nbdl or he can even play in the middle east with much bigger bucks.. nobody can force him to play to BK.. and his father and manager knows best on what to do with his carrer.. what is important is he loves to represent his COUNTRY becuase he is proude to be a filipino.. other than that i dont care with his other decisions..

lovejones
08-28-2009, 11:44 AM
why are some people here are very angry with japeth aguilar?? because of the PBA?? If the PBA will ban him its fine its not his lost.. he can play anywhere else.. he can play in europe.. he can even play in the nbdl or he can even play in the middle east with much bigger bucks.. nobody can force him to play to BK.. and his father and manager knows best on what to do with his carrer.. what is important is he loves to represent his COUNTRY becuase he is proude to be a filipino.. other than that i dont care with his other decisions..

We are not angry at japeth for turning his back on the PBA. What we are incensed about is why he still decided to join draft if this jerk had no plans of joining the PBA in the first place. If he didn't join the draft, then BK would have drafted another player, most probably Maierhoffer. But because of his present change of heart, BK has now become his unwitting hostage.

Money isn't the issue here since all rookies have a salary cap. Rooks, no matter how good they are, can't have have the salary of franchise players in their first two years in the PBA per PBA guidelines. As such, he already knew what he would be getting prior to his entry into the draft. There is no way BK can still restructure his proposed salary because of the established rules.

Alas, the main issue here is that he was allegedly peeved by coach kalbo's decision to reduce him as a towel waver at the FIBA Asia. Jeeesuz.. he's just a friggin' player! Just because he is dubbed as the next big thing in philippine basketball doesn't give him the right to question coach Yeng's decision to use him sparingly. Maybe Yeng thinks he wasn't ripe yet or that his presence in the floor was disruptive to the flow. Heck, it could be any reason at all but it ultimately is the coach's prerogartive. And in the game, you bet your sweet ass that it's the coach that makes the final decision.

Basketball is not a democracy because the team only gets to play 40-48 minutes and the coach can only give out his instructions at certain moments of the game. In other words, there's no time to be democratic here. Therefore, in the brief moments that the coach is in the huddle with his players, obedience is a necessity!

I'm an atenean but I really hate this former blue eagle's guts. What a primadonna.

d_viper
08-28-2009, 12:26 PM
Aguilar faces ‘life-time’ ban in PBA
By WAYLON GALVEZAugust 28, 2009, 7:40pm

Japeth Aguilar, the 6-foot-10 former Ateneo de Manila University standout who was picked 1st overall by Burger King, is threading rough waters should he decide to refuse the Whopper's offer.Japeth Aguilar, the top overall pick in the recent PBA Rookie Draft whom Burger King coach Yeng Guiao said would be the next big thing in the pro league, is facing a possible ‘lifetime ban’ from the PBA for his refusal to sign with the Whopper.

Burger King team manager and PBA incoming chairman Lito Alvarez made the warning after he met with Aguilar and his agent, sports columnist Ronnie Nathanielz recently and was informed that the one-time Ateneo Blue Eagle is not going to play with them in the coming tournament.

Alvarez was also told that the 6-foot-10 Aguilar will instead play for the Smart-Gilas.

The Whopper, according to Alvarez, has made an offer to Aguilar worth roughly P8.7 million spread over three years, but Aguilar, through his agent Nathanielz, rejected the offer and said he no longer wanted to join BK and play in the pro league.

“I really do not know what the sanctions are (if he doesn’t sign), a ban maybe from playing in the PBA,” Alvarez said in yesterday’s SCOOP sa Kamayan Session in Padre Faura, Manila.

“Hindi natin gusto na mangyari kay Japeth ito, I am still hoping that he will reconsider his decision. Pero kung hindi siya lalaro, we’ll teach him a lesson. Natatakot ako sa pwedeng mangyari sa kanya kapag board na ang nag-decision,” he added.

If Aguilar officially rejects the offer, Alvarez said that the PBA Board of Governors will tackle the issue.

Alvarez said that it’s obvious that the 23-year-old Aguilar is being advised by people with personal interest.

“My suggestion to Ronnie is, do not to make a mockery of the PBA rules. This is a 35-year institution. We should respect its constitution and by-laws. He’ll have to consult a lot of people here. He should get in touch first with the family of Japeth,” Alvarez said.

Reached for comment, Nathanielz said that BK, though it has the rights on Aguilar, cannot impose a ban on the player.

“How come they’re gonna ban him? On what grounds? Japeth has not made up his mind yet. We’re still consulting his father,” he said.

According to Alvarez, Aguilar mentioned in his letter that his reasons of joining Gilas, under Serbian mentor Rajko Toroman, is the exposure and playing time he would get as well as the chance to travel abroad with the national team.

Alvarez said he understands Aguilar’s desire to play for the Nationals. In fact, he said, even if Aguilar decides to sign with the Whopper, they will allow him to play for Gilas for various international competitions, saying: “We’re actually offering him the best of both worlds as he can play in the PBA and with the RP team.”

SBP executive director Noli Eala said the other day that the association has not communicated with Aguilar. Eala is not available for comment as of press time.

Alvarez has been trying to understand the reason behind Aguilar’s decision who will become the first overall pick to reject a team.

“The fact that he applied for the Draft, the intention is there to play in the PBA,” Alvarez said.

Aguilar was earlier reported to have been miffed by his lack of playing time during the FIBA-Asia championship in China.

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OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 12:32 PM
We are not angry at japeth for turning his back on the PBA. What we are incensed about is why he still decided to join draft if this jerk had no plans of joining the PBA in the first place. If he didn't join the draft, then BK would have drafted another player, most probably Maierhoffer. But because of his present change of heart, BK has now become his unwitting hostage.

Money isn't the issue here since all rookies have a salary cap. Rooks, no matter how good they are, can't have have the salary of franchise players in their first two years in the PBA per PBA guidelines. As such, he already knew what he would be getting prior to his entry into the draft. There is no way BK can still restructure his proposed salary because of the established rules.

Alas, the main issue here is that he was allegedly peeved by coach kalbo's decision to reduce him as a towel waver at the FIBA Asia. Jeeesuz.. he's just a friggin' player! Just because he is dubbed as the next big thing in philippine basketball doesn't give him the right to question coach Yeng's decision to use him sparingly. Maybe Yeng thinks he wasn't ripe yet or that his presence in the floor was disruptive to the flow. Heck, it could be any reason at all but it ultimately is the coach's prerogartive. And in the game, you bet your sweet ass that it's the coach that makes the final decision.

Basketball is not a democracy because the team only gets to play 40-48 minutes and the coach can only give out his instructions at certain moments of the game. In other words, there's no time to be democratic here. Therefore, in the brief moments that the coach is in the huddle with his players, obedience is a necessity!

I'm an atenean but I really hate this former blue eagle's guts. What a primadonna.


He may have a change of heart but as a fan i support him all the way.. he knows the consequence of his action.. what he had done wrong is to join the draft that in the first place he should never had.. its a rush decision he made as a young man.. what we wish for is a peaceful ending on this mess and MVP for sure will help out on this matter since he partly own the BK.. at the end a good trade to talk n txt is the best possible end to this saga..

I'am a lasallian and I love this blue eagle's determination and attitude.. i dont know him personally but to follow your father's decision who's already been there is a great example to everybody and for sure from what he came from he is a good kid..

rhk111
08-28-2009, 12:38 PM
Japeth Aguilar's camp is really full of bullsh..

They are now using the name of SBP-Smart Gilas as for their reason not to play in the PBA with BK.

This is bullsh.., because if they really were sincere in playing for the country, they would not have joined the PBA draft, and just directly went on to play for SBP-Smart Gilas.

What happened was they ignored the SBP offer, went to the PBA, and now found something to crow about in the PBA, so they are now going back to the SBP.

If I were Eala and MVP, I would not allow my organization as a PAWN by an unproven player, whose only real talent in basketball is dunking the ball.

Aguilar's camp obviously only goes to an organization, if they find a use for it.

Let him play in the NBDL, or Europe as he keeps saying. With his mediocre talent and credentials, let's see how long he last there.

KevinDurant
08-28-2009, 12:57 PM
I think what will happen here is that Japeth will be traded to TNT (which will release him to Gilas, I suppose) eventually. Before the start of the conference or after the All Pinoy tilt.

He can't escape with the PBA rules. He should've joined Gilas earlier and not apply for the draft. Now, there are consequences that can happen.

zuma169
08-28-2009, 01:08 PM
Japeth Aguilar's camp is really full of bullsh..

They are now using the name of SBP-Smart Gilas as for their reason not to play in the PBA with BK.

This is bullsh.., because if they really were sincere in playing for the country, they would not have joined the PBA draft, and just directly went on to play for SBP-Smart Gilas.

What happened was they ignored the SBP offer, went to the PBA, and now found something to crow about in the PBA, so they are now going back to the SBP.

If I were Eala and MVP, I would not allow my organization as a PAWN by an unproven player, whose only real talent in basketball is dunking the ball.

Aguilar's camp obviously only goes to an organization, if they find a use for it.

Let him play in the NBDL, or Europe as he keeps saying. With his mediocre talent and credentials, let's see how long he last there.

gosh sir you really have a grudge on Aguilar Camp..

I know where you are coming from.. I am quite disappointed as well with this "sort of unprofessional" attitude.. but this kid HAS TALENT NO DOUBT!!! the way your are saying things its as if Japeth has nothing.. that he is just a normal player.. he is so athletic!!! isn't that what we are looking for??? a tall Filipino that is athletic so that he can be developed to be an inside operator? Coach Rajko and the SBP also came out in the open and told everyone that they were disappointed when Japeth decided to join the PBA.. that just means that Japeth has something in him..

and why do you accuse him of being mediocre???? what are your facts??? do you really know what was happening back in Western Kentucky??? for crying out loud he only had limited minutes on the court so how will you say that he is mediocre??? give the kid just a little bit of respect...

I am not siding with anyone.. in fact i am really disappointed with all the decision making.. but i will not discount that Japeth is the missing key in our bid to give Iran, Lebanon, China and Jordan a run for their own money... so i will give respect to the abilities of Japeth..

just imagine a CJ Giles/Japeth Aguilar tandem...

Lebron23
08-28-2009, 01:11 PM
Burger King should have drafted Rico Maierhofer ( 6'5") or Jervy Cruz ( 6'3.25"), if they only knew that Japeth doesn't want to play for Burger King.

Aguilar is a very talented prospect, but he still needs to improve his midrange jumper, rebounding, and he needs to develop a reliable post game.

Because without the homerism, fanboyism, d*ckriding, and fantasizing you will realize that Japeth is still a very raw player.


BK made a huge mistake when they traded Arwind Santos to the San Miguel Beermen because they are hoping that Japeth is going to become their new franchise player.

Good Luck to Japeth, and thanks for ruining the Burger King Franchise.

I hope they draft a very talented prospect in 2010 cause it looks like they are going to have a worst record in the All Filipino Cup.

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 01:29 PM
I think what will happen here is that Japeth will be traded to TNT (which will release him to Gilas, I suppose) eventually. Before the start of the conference or after the All Pinoy tilt.

He can't escape with the PBA rules. He should've joined Gilas earlier and not apply for the draft. Now, there are consequences that can happen.

Yeah!!! a trade is what we wish for.. send Ranidel or Yancy to BK or even Ali peek.. that is the best option for both camp

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 01:32 PM
Aguilar faces ‘life-time’ ban in PBA
By WAYLON GALVEZAugust 28, 2009, 7:40pm

Japeth Aguilar, the 6-foot-10 former Ateneo de Manila University standout who was picked 1st overall by Burger King, is threading rough waters should he decide to refuse the Whopper's offer.Japeth Aguilar, the top overall pick in the recent PBA Rookie Draft whom Burger King coach Yeng Guiao said would be the next big thing in the pro league, is facing a possible ‘lifetime ban’ from the PBA for his refusal to sign with the Whopper.

Burger King team manager and PBA incoming chairman Lito Alvarez made the warning after he met with Aguilar and his agent, sports columnist Ronnie Nathanielz recently and was informed that the one-time Ateneo Blue Eagle is not going to play with them in the coming tournament.

Alvarez was also told that the 6-foot-10 Aguilar will instead play for the Smart-Gilas.

The Whopper, according to Alvarez, has made an offer to Aguilar worth roughly P8.7 million spread over three years, but Aguilar, through his agent Nathanielz, rejected the offer and said he no longer wanted to join BK and play in the pro league.

“I really do not know what the sanctions are (if he doesn’t sign), a ban maybe from playing in the PBA,” Alvarez said in yesterday’s SCOOP sa Kamayan Session in Padre Faura, Manila.

“Hindi natin gusto na mangyari kay Japeth ito, I am still hoping that he will reconsider his decision. Pero kung hindi siya lalaro, we’ll teach him a lesson. Natatakot ako sa pwedeng mangyari sa kanya kapag board na ang nag-decision,” he added.

If Aguilar officially rejects the offer, Alvarez said that the PBA Board of Governors will tackle the issue.

Alvarez said that it’s obvious that the 23-year-old Aguilar is being advised by people with personal interest.

“My suggestion to Ronnie is, do not to make a mockery of the PBA rules. This is a 35-year institution. We should respect its constitution and by-laws. He’ll have to consult a lot of people here. He should get in touch first with the family of Japeth,” Alvarez said.

Reached for comment, Nathanielz said that BK, though it has the rights on Aguilar, cannot impose a ban on the player.

“How come they’re gonna ban him? On what grounds? Japeth has not made up his mind yet. We’re still consulting his father,” he said.

According to Alvarez, Aguilar mentioned in his letter that his reasons of joining Gilas, under Serbian mentor Rajko Toroman, is the exposure and playing time he would get as well as the chance to travel abroad with the national team.

Alvarez said he understands Aguilar’s desire to play for the Nationals. In fact, he said, even if Aguilar decides to sign with the Whopper, they will allow him to play for Gilas for various international competitions, saying: “We’re actually offering him the best of both worlds as he can play in the PBA and with the RP team.”

SBP executive director Noli Eala said the other day that the association has not communicated with Aguilar. Eala is not available for comment as of press time.

Alvarez has been trying to understand the reason behind Aguilar’s decision who will become the first overall pick to reject a team.

“The fact that he applied for the Draft, the intention is there to play in the PBA,” Alvarez said.

Aguilar was earlier reported to have been miffed by his lack of playing time during the FIBA-Asia championship in China.

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hope Japeth decide his faith right now.. hope he sign to BK and a trade to Talk n Txt will be the best..

KevinDurant
08-28-2009, 01:33 PM
Yeah!!! a trade is what we wish for.. send Ranidel or Yancy to BK or even Ali peek.. that is the best option for both camp

don't forget the CASH considerations!!:D
BK lives for this...

Lebron23
08-28-2009, 01:34 PM
Yeah!!! a trade is what we wish for.. send Ranidel or Yancy to BK or even Ali peek.. that is the best option for both camp

The Ocampo brothers playing for Burger King again. I think it's a one sided trade for Talk N Text.

pinoy12
08-28-2009, 01:36 PM
Japeth Aguilar's camp is really full of bullsh..

They are now using the name of SBP-Smart Gilas as for their reason not to play in the PBA with BK.

This is bullsh.., because if they really were sincere in playing for the country, they would not have joined the PBA draft, and just directly went on to play for SBP-Smart Gilas.

What happened was they ignored the SBP offer, went to the PBA, and now found something to crow about in the PBA, so they are now going back to the SBP.

If I were Eala and MVP, I would not allow my organization as a PAWN by an unproven player, whose only real talent in basketball is dunking the ball.

Aguilar's camp obviously only goes to an organization, if they find a use for it.

Let him play in the NBDL, or Europe as he keeps saying. With his mediocre talent and credentials, let's see how long he last there.


Bro you dont have the right to say those words to him, he is the future of the philippines basketball and if given a chance to represent our country i'm sure you will routing for him :) . I dont think he was ill advice maybe the fiba experience was an eye opener on his part that to make him better is to expose internationally. I read alot of article about japeth this past few days and the BK team said that they will allow japeth to play in both world between PBA and National team but i think is not doably because yeng will alway oppose to the teaching of toroman.:cool:

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 01:37 PM
The Ocampo brothers playing for Burger King again. I think it's a one sided trade for Talk N Text.

Yeah.. well ali peek + ritualo?? yancy + ritualo?? and + cashhhhh.

KevinDurant
08-28-2009, 01:37 PM
BK would want those future draft picks. I believe that they'd eventually trade him to avoid paying him the max in the future(just like Santos, De Ocampo).

AlYuson
08-28-2009, 01:39 PM
gosh sir you really have a grudge on Aguilar Camp..

I know where you are coming from.. I am quite disappointed as well with this "sort of unprofessional" attitude.. but this kid HAS TALENT NO DOUBT!!! the way your are saying things its as if Japeth has nothing.. that he is just a normal player.. he is so athletic!!! isn't that what we are looking for??? a tall Filipino that is athletic so that he can be developed to be an inside operator? Coach Rajko and the SBP also came out in the open and told everyone that they were disappointed when Japeth decided to join the PBA.. that just means that Japeth has something in him..

and why do you accuse him of being mediocre???? what are your facts??? do you really know what was happening back in Western Kentucky??? for crying out loud he only had limited minutes on the court so how will you say that he is mediocre??? give the kid just a little bit of respect...

I am not siding with anyone.. in fact i am really disappointed with all the decision making.. but i will not discount that Japeth is the missing key in our bid to give Iran, Lebanon, China and Jordan a run for their own money... so i will give respect to the abilities of Japeth..

just imagine a CJ Giles/Japeth Aguilar tandem...

I agree with your perception that japeth aguilar is athletic and a promising player but he needs to develop his strength like his upper body, adding more muscles and bulk. Japeth also has to polish his skills by creating his own shots not just by slamming and putbacks chances, maybe he should watch highlights video of former PBA MVP Alvin Patrimonio by imitating The Captain's moves to the basket with finesse and power during his prime...

neo
08-28-2009, 01:39 PM
until i hear or read statements from the aguilar family or from ronnie im gonna reserve my sentiments concerning this brouhaha :cool:

Lebron23
08-28-2009, 01:40 PM
Yeah.. well ali peek + ritualo?? yancy + ritualo?? and + cashhhhh.



Jason Castro, Ranidel De Ocampo, and a Future First Round Pick for Japeth Aguilar.

That's a fair trade.

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 01:40 PM
Bro you dont have the right to say those words to him, he is the future of the philippines basketball and if given a chance to represent our country i'm sure you are routing for him :) . I dont think he was ill advice maybe the fiba experience was an eye opener on his part that to make him better is to expose internationally. I read alot of article about japeth this past few days and the BK team said that they will allow japeth to play in both word between PBA and National team but i think is not doably because yeng will alway oppose to the teaching of toroman.:cool:

I second to this.. he is the future of our basketball.. we can just pray that this mess will end and hope its a win win situation on both camp..

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 01:42 PM
Jason Castro, Ranidel De Ocampo, and a Future First Round Pick for Japeth Aguilar.

That's a fair trade.

nice players.. i hope they can unload castro since a nephew of jimmy alapag has a game too.. nice proposal.. if i were BK i would accept it..

KevinDurant
08-28-2009, 01:44 PM
Jason Castro, Ranidel De Ocampo, and a Future First Round Pick for Japeth Aguilar.

That's a fair trade.

No way TNT will trade Castro. Besides, BK already has Arboleda as their starting PG forever.

It maybe Yancy + Renren + cash considerations + future draft picks. With Nic around, Yancy is now expendable.

rhk111
08-28-2009, 01:51 PM
Bro you dont have the right to say those words to him, he is the future of the philippines basketball and if given a chance to represent our country i'm sure you will routing for him :) . I dont think he was ill advice maybe the fiba experience was an eye opener on his part that to make him better is to expose internationally. I read alot of article about japeth this past few days and the BK team said that they will allow japeth to play in both world between PBA and National team but i think is not doably because yeng will alway oppose to the teaching of toroman.:cool:

I'm just airing my opinion.

All I can say, is don't let your imagination run away in terms of Japeth's abilities as a player. Its okay to fantasize about how good this or that player will be, but don't make the mistake that it will necessarily translate into reality.

patay-butiki
08-28-2009, 02:05 PM
Japeth Aguilar's camp is really full of bullsh..

They are now using the name of SBP-Smart Gilas as for their reason not to play in the PBA with BK.

This is bullsh.., because if they really were sincere in playing for the country, they would not have joined the PBA draft, and just directly went on to play for SBP-Smart Gilas.

What happened was they ignored the SBP offer, went to the PBA, and now found something to crow about in the PBA, so they are now going back to the SBP.

If I were Eala and MVP, I would not allow my organization as a PAWN by an unproven player, whose only real talent in basketball is dunking the ball.

Aguilar's camp obviously only goes to an organization, if they find a use for it.

Let him play in the NBDL, or Europe as he keeps saying. With his mediocre talent and credentials, let's see how long he last there.

hay naku....

japeth never signed any contract with BK, so i don't think you can call that unprofessional. was it unfair to BK? maybe. but honestly, i don't think so. BK can easily trade japeth for other players (this is the most likely scenario).

dominique wilkins, yi jian lian and pretty soon, maybe ricky rubio have all done the same. refused to sign. i don't understand why you put too much drama, too much intrigue on what's happening. it might be a little new to us pinoy basketball fans. but this thing has happened before.

dude, you are blowing this incident out of proportions. you judge, bash and insult the aguilars as if you know them personally. you posted in atleast 3 different threads about how prima donna, how superstar-ish japeth is.

the aguilars use the basketball organizations for their own benefit? like manipulate them? or screw them? dude, i'm pretty sure MVP, noli eala and the like are not stupid people. don't worry too much about them. they are obviously a lot smarter than you.

wow! thank God you're not eala nor MVP. given the way you think, philippine basketball is most definitely screwed. :cool:

neo
08-28-2009, 02:08 PM
I'm just airing my opinion.

All I can say, is don't let your imagination run away in terms of Japeth's abilities as a player. Its okay to fantasize about how good this or that player will be, but don't make the mistake that it will necessarily translate into reality.

as a matter of fact, there is no problem if some fans fit the description u just cited. everyone is entitled to their own aspirations and fantasies in as much as everyone, including u, is entitled to their opinions. as long as no harm is done, anyone can fantasize all they want. if they're gonna gambnle and bet their life savings to someone unproven then there lies the problem.so far, all the fanatics of aguilar here are honest-to-goodness basketball fans.and some are not even real aguilar fans but they just look at japeth as the possible saviour of rp basketball in the same way that they aspired about it when the likes of menk and seigle came to the fold. again, no harm, no problem.

rhk111
08-28-2009, 02:38 PM
hay naku....

japeth never signed any contract with BK, so i don't think you can call that unprofessional. was it unfair to BK? maybe. but honestly, i don't think so. BK can easily trade japeth for other players (this is the most likely scenario).

dominique wilkins, yi jian lian and pretty soon, maybe ricky rubio have all done the same. refused to sign. i don't understand why you put too much drama, too much intrigue on what's happening. it might be a little new to us pinoy basketball fans. but this thing has happened before.

I'm not putting drama on this issue. You're the one who keep chasing me around the threads for what, "damage control"? You're the one who wants to trivialize the issue, because it definitely stinks for the Aguilar family.

Japeth says he wants to play in the PBA, BK drafts him, and now he says no, I don't want to play for this or that guy?

Obviously feeling "superstar".

At least Yi Lian Jan was a true, international superstar in basketball, not a benchwarmer with pitiful numbers at WKU.


dude, you are blowing this incident out of proportions. you judge, bash and insult the aguilars as if you know them personally. you posted in atleast 3 different threads about how prima donna, how superstar-ish japeth is.

I'm not blowing this out of proportion. I'll return the question back to you: Why are you hellbent to protect the Aguilar's obviously questionable decision? Why are you so affected?

I posted it on three threads, because that was the topic on those threads. What about you, why do you have to chase and castigate me thru three different threads, just so you can continue to protect the Aguilars.

What's your interest in keeping the Aguilar hype up?


the aguilars use the basketball organizations for their own benefit? like manipulate them? or screw them? dude, i'm pretty sure MVP, noli eala and the like are not stupid people. don't worry too much about them. they are obviously a lot smarter than you.

I know they're smarter than me. If you cannot see how the Aguilars have been manipulating one group against the other, then I'm obviously smarter than YOU. LOL.

Let me state this again, so everybody can read it again: Japeth rejected Smart Gilas to join the PBA. He suddenly finds something to crow about in the PBA, so he goes back to the SBP, the same group he previously rejected.


wow! thank God you're not eala nor MVP. given the way you think, philippine basketball is most definitely screwed. :cool:

And what, if you were Eala or MVP, Philippine basketball would be better off, because you insists on Japeth's every demand? LOL.

pachador
08-28-2009, 02:40 PM
as long as no contract was signed , japeth is not obligated, legally speaking.
They may be obligated as in utang na loob(filipino debt of gratitude) , but i dont think that should matter here because we are talking here about money. As far as I am concerned when it comes to money, business is business. no gray blurring lines, no sliding-sliding. Guiao, himself is known for trading players all the time and is a good analyzer/motivator/manipulator(whatever you call it) of people so its up to the player if he puts his interest first or the interest of Guiao or of BK for that matter.

b3lowzro
08-28-2009, 02:51 PM
OMG somebody has some issues here in this forum, first he chases me then its RHK.

islander
08-28-2009, 03:00 PM
gosh sir you really have a grudge on Aguilar Camp..

I know where you are coming from.. I am quite disappointed as well with this "sort of unprofessional" attitude.. but this kid HAS TALENT NO DOUBT!!! the way your are saying things its as if Japeth has nothing.. that he is just a normal player.. he is so athletic!!! isn't that what we are looking for??? a tall Filipino that is athletic so that he can be developed to be an inside operator? Coach Rajko and the SBP also came out in the open and told everyone that they were disappointed when Japeth decided to join the PBA.. that just means that Japeth has something in him..

and why do you accuse him of being mediocre???? what are your facts??? do you really know what was happening back in Western Kentucky??? for crying out loud he only had limited minutes on the court so how will you say that he is mediocre??? give the kid just a little bit of respect...

I am not siding with anyone.. in fact i am really disappointed with all the decision making.. but i will not discount that Japeth is the missing key in our bid to give Iran, Lebanon, China and Jordan a run for their own money... so i will give respect to the abilities of Japeth..

just imagine a CJ Giles/Japeth Aguilar tandem...

I agree with you,sir!:)

patay-butiki
08-28-2009, 03:04 PM
I'm not putting drama on this issue. You're the one who keep chasing me around the threads for what, "damage control"? You're the one who wants to trivialize the issue, because it definitely stinks for the Aguilar family.

Japeth says he wants to play in the PBA, BK drafts him, and now he says no, I don't want to play for this or that guy?

Obviously feeling "superstar".

At least Yi Lian Jan was a true, international superstar in basketball, not a benchwarmer with pitiful numbers at WKU.



I'm not blowing this out of proportion. I'll return the question back to you: Why are you hellbent to protect the Aguilar's obviously questionable decision? Why are you so affected?

I posted it on three threads, because that was the topic on those threads. What about you, why do you have to chase and castigate me thru three different threads, just so you can continue to protect the Aguilars.

What's your interest in keeping the Aguilar hype up?



I know they're smarter than me. If you cannot see how the Aguilars have been manipulating one group against the other, then I'm obviously smarter than YOU. LOL.

Let me state this again, so everybody can read it again: Japeth rejected Smart Gilas to join the PBA. He suddenly finds something to crow about in the PBA, so he goes back to the SBP, the same group he previously rejected.


And what, if you were Eala or MVP, Philippine basketball would be better off, because you insists on Japeth's every demand? LOL.

damage control? WOW! i think you watch too much cable TV. :)

i answer your posts not to protect, condone or hype up japeth. i answer your posts so that other forumers might see a point of view different (even opposite) from yours. i do this because i think you're going way overboard in writing negative stuff about japeth. i do this because i think you're reasoning is flawed.

dude, i hope you can get this:

yi jian lian = china NT starter = NBA

japeth = ncaa div. 1 = PBA

you can't really say yi is atleast an international star. he's in the NBA. japeth is just trying to join the PBA. so relatively speaking, they have the same situation. gets?

and dude, get real. you can't be smarter than me. i hate to use it as a gauge, but i don't think we can take like an i.q. test together. so here's my proof. i highlighted all the grammatical errors you posted above. :)

okay, you might say good english doesn't necessarily mean intelligence. okay, how about this: my ncee rating is 99+. if you're my generation, you should have taken the ncee. i wonder what grade you got. :rolleyes:

rhk111
08-28-2009, 03:09 PM
gosh sir you really have a grudge on Aguilar Camp..

No, I don't. I just hate people relying on hype to get lucrative contracts, like guess who.


I know where you are coming from.. I am quite disappointed as well with this "sort of unprofessional" attitude.. but this kid HAS TALENT NO DOUBT!!! the way your are saying things its as if Japeth has nothing.. that he is just a normal player.. he is so athletic!!! isn't that what we are looking for??? a tall Filipino that is athletic so that he can be developed to be an inside operator? Coach Rajko and the SBP also came out in the open and told everyone that they were disappointed when Japeth decided to join the PBA.. that just means that Japeth has something in him..

He has talent, but its what kind of talent does he have, and is it enough for him to become really a superstar? If so, then why are his numbers so mediocre?

There are many slam dunk artists out there who never became good players. Mike Mustre, Alex Araneta, etc.


and why do you accuse him of being mediocre???? what are your facts??? do you really know what was happening back in Western Kentucky??? for crying out loud he only had limited minutes on the court so how will you say that he is mediocre??? give the kid just a little bit of respect...

My facts are his pitiful numbers at Ateneo and WKU.

He was healthy in his first year in Ateneo, but averaged only 5 points, and 5 rebounds per game. He was injured in his second year.

He sat out one year at WKU, was injured the next, and then had his worst college season the next year, even worst than in Ateneo.


just imagine a CJ Giles/Japeth Aguilar tandem...

Oh I can. CJ will do most, if not all of the work. LOL.

rhk111
08-28-2009, 03:15 PM
i answer your posts not to protect, condone or hype up japeth. i answer your posts so that other forumers might see a point of view different (even opposite) from yours. i do this because i think you're going way overboard in writing negative stuff about japeth. i do this because i think you're reasoning is flawed.

If anything, there too much hype about Japeth, which is why it has all gone thru their heads. The negative stuff balances everything out.



dude, i hope you can get this:

yi jian lian = china NT starter = NBA

japeth = ncaa div. 1 = PBA

you can't really say yi is atleast an international star. he's in the NBA. japeth is just trying to join the PBA. so relatively speaking, they have the same situation. gets?

What is there to get?

Yi = China NT Starter = CBL MVP = NBA

Japeth = US NCAA Division 1 BENCHWARMER = PBA


and dude, get real. you can't be smarter than me. i hate to use it as a gauge, but i don't think we can take like an i.q. test together. so here's my proof. i highlighted all the grammatical errors you posted above. :)

okay, you might say good english doesn't necessarily mean intelligence. okay, how about this: my ncee rating is 99+. if you're my generation, you should have taken the ncee. i wonder what grade you got. :rolleyes:

LOL. Dammit, I'm arguing with a kid. LOL

patay-butiki
08-28-2009, 03:21 PM
^^^

you didn't answer my question. hehehe.

it's ok. not all people are created equal.

peace bro. :p

donmar
08-28-2009, 03:39 PM
dre puso mo...:Dtrans...watch your blood pressure:D

hehehe I'll try:D:D....

hhhhmmm... the Japeth Issue is the hot topic these days... for me, I don't really have a problem if Japeth refuse to play for BK Whoppers... at the end of the day, his only door to the league is the Whoppers anyway since they own the rights to sign him by drafting him in the PBA draft... only with the consent of the BK franchise that the other teams will be able to sign him... simple as that... if he doesn't want to play now, then theres nothing wrong with that... if he gets to play for Smart Gilas, then he will play for them in the PBA as an amateur...

I do hope, other than Japeth, the likes of Gabe Norwood, Jared Dillinger and maybe a very healthy Kelly Williams will be able to play for Smart-Gilas as PBA's loaned reinforcement...

Lebron23
08-28-2009, 03:44 PM
No way TNT will trade Castro. Besides, BK already has Arboleda as their starting PG forever.

It maybe Yancy + Renren + cash considerations + future draft picks. With Nic around, Yancy is now expendable.



Arboleda is already 34 yrs.old. He's already past his prime, and the Burger King Whoopers need a pass first PG after they traded Marvin Cruz and Chris Ross to the Coca Cola Tigers.

c_d
08-28-2009, 04:12 PM
Japeth faces lifetime ban (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=500425&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

By Nelson Beltran (The Philippine Star) Updated August 29, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Japeth Aguilar, the PBA top draftee, has decided to join the Smart Gilas team, foregoing his stint with Burger King despite threat of a lifetime ban from the pro league.

“He’s made a decision. He’ll not sign up with Burger King. He’ll play for the country,” said veteran newsman Ronnie Nathanielsz, representing the 6-foot-9 cager as agent.

“They (Burger King officials) said they would move for Japeth to be banned from the league but Japeth and his father said bahala na sila (let them be),’” Nathanielsz added.

Nathanielsz told The STAR that the Tianjin FIBA-Asia experience was an eye-opener for the prized rookie on his role on the future RP team which prompted him to offer his services to Smart Gilas.

Nathanielsz also said Aguilar has nothing against coach Yeng Guiao or the limited minutes he played in the Tianjin joust.

“He saw in Tianjin that he’ll be needed by Smart Gilas. He just wants to help the country,” said Nathanielsz.

The veteran newsman, a PBA long-timer, believes there’s no provision in the PBA by-laws that would close the door on Aguilar when he decides to rejoin the league.

Burger King top official Lito Alvarez, however, said the PBA board will impose severe sanction on the player.

“They’re making a mockery of a 35-year-old organization. I will not take this sitting down and I don’t think the PBA board will let it pass,” said Alvarez, the current PBA chair.

“He shouldn’t have joined the draft in the first place if he wants to play for Smart Gilas. Now that he joined the draft, he’s bound to comply with the rules,” Alvarez said. “I have offered Japeth a three-year maximum contract for a PBA rookie.”

Nathanielsz informed Alvarez of their plan as early as Wednesday. Alvarez, in turn, advised Nathanielsz to first consult with the parents of the player and with the league commissioner..

The BK top honcho thinks the player was ill advised on his decision not to turn pro.

“They’ll get to enjoy the best of both worlds in my offer since I’m giving him the maximum contract for three years and I’m allowing him to play for Smart Gilas on the side,” said Alvarez.

Cammomile
08-28-2009, 04:24 PM
Japeth faces lifetime ban (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=500425&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

By Nelson Beltran (The Philippine Star) Updated August 29, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Japeth Aguilar, the PBA top draftee, has decided to join the Smart Gilas team, foregoing his stint with Burger King despite threat of a lifetime ban from the pro league.

“He’s made a decision. He’ll not sign up with Burger King. He’ll play for the country,” said veteran newsman Ronnie Nathanielsz, representing the 6-foot-9 cager as agent.

“They (Burger King officials) said they would move for Japeth to be banned from the league but Japeth and his father said bahala na sila (let them be),’” Nathanielsz added.

Nathanielsz told The STAR that the Tianjin FIBA-Asia experience was an eye-opener for the prized rookie on his role on the future RP team which prompted him to offer his services to Smart Gilas.

Nathanielsz also said Aguilar has nothing against coach Yeng Guiao or the limited minutes he played in the Tianjin joust.

“He saw in Tianjin that he’ll be needed by Smart Gilas. He just wants to help the country,” said Nathanielsz.

The veteran newsman, a PBA long-timer, believes there’s no provision in the PBA by-laws that would close the door on Aguilar when he decides to rejoin the league.

Burger King top official Lito Alvarez, however, said the PBA board will impose severe sanction on the player.

“They’re making a mockery of a 35-year-old organization. I will not take this sitting down and I don’t think the PBA board will let it pass,” said Alvarez, the current PBA chair.

“He shouldn’t have joined the draft in the first place if he wants to play for Smart Gilas. Now that he joined the draft, he’s bound to comply with the rules,” Alvarez said. “I have offered Japeth a three-year maximum contract for a PBA rookie.”

Nathanielsz informed Alvarez of their plan as early as Wednesday. Alvarez, in turn, advised Nathanielsz to first consult with the parents of the player and with the league commissioner..

The BK top honcho thinks the player was ill advised on his decision not to turn pro.

“They’ll get to enjoy the best of both worlds in my offer since I’m giving him the maximum contract for three years and I’m allowing him to play for Smart Gilas on the side,” said Alvarez.


speechless..whats up with the people around japeth?

Andrew81
08-28-2009, 04:29 PM
I know that its good to see japeth playing for Smart Gilas,the team needs him but the problem is he already joined the draft.:(.Man i feel sad about BK's situaton.Kawawang Yeng Guiao.:D.Goodbye 1st Pick..:D

rikhardur
08-28-2009, 04:32 PM
I may be wrong, the problem here isn't Japeth, it's the hybrid quality of the Gilas team. It's neither a club or a national team, but it's both and each of those. It's way too complicated to deal with this.

Lebron23
08-28-2009, 04:33 PM
I know that its good to see japeth playing for Smart Gilas,the team needs him but the problem is he already joined the draft.:(.Man i feel sad about BK's situaton.Kawawang Yeng Yuaio.:D.Goodbye 1st Pick..:D

Better luck next year. Burger King is going to be a lottery team next season because they just traded their franchise player in the Off Season, and Japeth doesn't want to play for his team.


:D:D:D

pachador
08-28-2009, 04:44 PM
if japeth is a US citizen or if pushes ahead and marries his american girlfriend, then being banned from the PBA is not a big deal unless he just wants to prove he can duke it out with the best filipino players, but then if i was him, why be a big fish in a small pond ? I would rather fail trying to get into the big pond err the big leagues(euroleague or NBA) than be successful in a small pond(PBA). Besides, any player who is smart should not rely on his earnings while playing unless he was earning dollars in the NBA. The money players earn in the PBA is not enough to retire on if they retire in the US. thats the reality. he should pursue studies on the side to keep his brain fresh so he can have an office career once he retires from playing at age 35 to 40.



Japeth faces lifetime ban (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=500425&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

By Nelson Beltran (The Philippine Star) Updated August 29, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Japeth Aguilar, the PBA top draftee, has decided to join the Smart Gilas team, foregoing his stint with Burger King despite threat of a lifetime ban from the pro league.

“He’s made a decision. He’ll not sign up with Burger King. He’ll play for the country,” said veteran newsman Ronnie Nathanielsz, representing the 6-foot-9 cager as agent.

“They (Burger King officials) said they would move for Japeth to be banned from the league but Japeth and his father said bahala na sila (let them be),’” Nathanielsz added.

Nathanielsz told The STAR that the Tianjin FIBA-Asia experience was an eye-opener for the prized rookie on his role on the future RP team which prompted him to offer his services to Smart Gilas.

Nathanielsz also said Aguilar has nothing against coach Yeng Guiao or the limited minutes he played in the Tianjin joust.

“He saw in Tianjin that he’ll be needed by Smart Gilas. He just wants to help the country,” said Nathanielsz.

The veteran newsman, a PBA long-timer, believes there’s no provision in the PBA by-laws that would close the door on Aguilar when he decides to rejoin the league.

Burger King top official Lito Alvarez, however, said the PBA board will impose severe sanction on the player.

“They’re making a mockery of a 35-year-old organization. I will not take this sitting down and I don’t think the PBA board will let it pass,” said Alvarez, the current PBA chair.

“He shouldn’t have joined the draft in the first place if he wants to play for Smart Gilas. Now that he joined the draft, he’s bound to comply with the rules,” Alvarez said. “I have offered Japeth a three-year maximum contract for a PBA rookie.”

Nathanielsz informed Alvarez of their plan as early as Wednesday. Alvarez, in turn, advised Nathanielsz to first consult with the parents of the player and with the league commissioner..

The BK top honcho thinks the player was ill advised on his decision not to turn pro.

“They’ll get to enjoy the best of both worlds in my offer since I’m giving him the maximum contract for three years and I’m allowing him to play for Smart Gilas on the side,” said Alvarez.

c_d
08-28-2009, 04:51 PM
I may be wrong, the problem here isn't Japeth, it's the hybrid quality of the Gilas team. It's neither a club or a national team, but it's both and each of those. It's way too complicated to deal with this.

I think it has something to do with our Pro League failing to reinvent itself after all these years. Has there been a case in other leagues wherein a player gets banned for not signing a contract after being drafted?

phevergy
08-28-2009, 04:52 PM
if japeth is a US citizen or if pushes ahead and marries his american girlfriend, then being banned from the PBA is not a big deal unless he just wants to prove he can duke it out with the best filipino players, but then if i was him, why be a big fish in a small pond ? I would rather fail trying to get into the big pond err the big leagues(euroleague or NBA) than be successful in a small pond(PBA). Besides, any player who is smart should not rely on his earnings while playing unless he was earning dollars in the NBA. The money players earn in the PBA is not enough to retire on if they retire in the US. thats the reality. he should pursue studies on the side to keep his brain fresh so he can have an office career once he retires from playing at age 35 to 40.

Go go go! Japhet Agwelar...Most Filipinos supports your decision.:D
Use your bean head wisely and be a hero:D:D:D:D

rikhardur
08-28-2009, 04:53 PM
I think it has something to do with our Pro League failing to reinvent itself after all these years. Has there been a case in other leagues wherein a player gets banned for not signing a contract after being drafted?
I don't recall such a case.

lovejones
08-28-2009, 04:54 PM
I'm just airing my opinion.

All I can say, is don't let your imagination run away in terms of Japeth's abilities as a player. Its okay to fantasize about how good this or that player will be, but don't make the mistake that it will necessarily translate into reality.

It looks like it's us against the world :D

I rest my case. Japeth's did this on his own. It's time to face the music

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 05:02 PM
if i were japeth i will sign to BK and ask for a trade.. being BAN from PBA really hurts.. not financially nor quality but as a person being ban by your own league its like being thrown off to other dimension or something..

d_viper
08-28-2009, 05:02 PM
so much for YG's dream to lead RP to turkey ...... then now comes another upset as BK's campaign of taking the crown for all filipino conf is now in jeopardy ...... thnx to JA :D:D

c_d
08-28-2009, 05:03 PM
I don't recall such a case.

I might be getting off topic here but if this really does result in a lifetime ban, it clearly shows that our league just relies too much on the preconceived notion that all Filipino players want to play in the PBA and they will always attract the best ones.

lovejones
08-28-2009, 05:09 PM
if i were japeth i will sign to BK and ask for a trade.. being BAN from PBA really hurts.. not financially nor quality but as a person being ban by your own league its like being thrown off to other dimension or something..

I agree. He's still too young to burn his bridges. The best scenario is for MVP to get BK's rights to Japeth by offering any of his TNT players (ouch!). Once this deal is consummated, MVP can move Japeth to Smart Gilas (team owner's decision).

BK, TNT, and Smart Gilas - three teams which MVP owns or co-owns.

rhk111
08-28-2009, 05:13 PM
It looks like it's us against the world :D

I'm used to the odds.

durden_tyler
08-28-2009, 05:16 PM
I might be getting off topic here but if this really does result in a lifetime ban, it clearly shows that our league just relies too much on the preconceived notion that all Filipino players want to play in the PBA and they will always attract the best ones.

It's not a preconceived notion, the fact of the matter is there are rules and rules you have to respect.

What control does a PBA team have if drafted players (unsigned, of course) starts demanding trades because they have do NOT want to play for the team that drafted them? This is the very reason for the draft and the league won't change it for one man alone because when the shit hits the fan everyone loses.

At the end of the day, Burger King is doing what it it should be doing to protect their own interest. They have his rights, and they will fight heaven and hell to protect that right and interest.

And ultimately, BK knows it can lose Japeth to the Gilas team and they would move on because there are NO RULES against that. However, Japeth should also realize that he might (make that, would) be missing out on some things because of this decision because there ARE RULES on this matter.

RP team
08-28-2009, 06:00 PM
It's not a preconceived notion, the fact of the matter is there are rules and rules you have to respect.

What control does a PBA team have if drafted players (unsigned, of course) starts demanding trades because they have do NOT want to play for the team that drafted them? This is the very reason for the draft and the league won't change it for one man alone because when the shit hits the fan everyone loses.

At the end of the day, Burger King is doing what it it should be doing to protect their own interest. They have his rights, and they will fight heaven and hell to protect that right and interest.

And ultimately, BK knows it can lose Japeth to the Gilas team and they would move on because there are NO RULES against that. However, Japeth should also realize that he might (make that, would) be missing out on some things because of this decision because there ARE RULES on this matter.

Hi guys. just want to share my opinion.

First, I admire Japhet for wanting to play for national cause than just play for money like Maierhofer and others. Seldom do we see this nationalism from our top basketball players.

Two, BK has no grounds to ban Japhet just because he refuse to sign the offer sheet. It's unlawfull to coerce someone to do something against his own will. Doing so is punishable by law. Also, are the PBA teams required to hire the services of all the players they drafted? Isn't it many of the drafted players end up as free agents?

Let me remind you guys of the case of Tony Kukoc. Tony was originaly drafted by Chicago bulls in the NBA when we applied for the draft but Tony did not want to play for the bulls because Jordan and Pippen were there. He assumed that we just get little playing time. So he like Japhet he refuse the opportunity. Did the NBA made a big fuss about this? No. Did the Bulls coerced and treathened Tony to play for them? No. Why should the PBA and BK do so? 1 or 2 years later Tony Kukoc had a change of heart and decided to try the NBA. Since the Bulls had the right of first refusal to Tony eventually end up playing for them. End of story. No banning of players. No coercion was needed.

mikepogi
08-28-2009, 06:03 PM
I actually have mixed feelings about him joining the national team instead of playing for coach kalb's BK squad. I mean I want him to join the national team and I think his presence there will improve the team's lineup especially in the front court. He is a very talented player with a lot of upside.

However what he did was a mark of unprofessionalism on his part, and merits a dangerous precedent for future first round draftees. Most importantly this tussle on the rights for JA might cause a rift on the relations between SBP and the PBA, who is one of the major stakeholders.

I am not judging Japeth's decision, the guy maybe 22 but he's mentality is that of a kid with little guidance who cannot make a decision for himself. What's worse is that his support system(family) are not in the Philippines to guide his actions, and instead being influence by his manager.

In my opinion, Japeth had this feeling that he was used by coach Kalb's. After months of media releases and pleading with the Aguilars that his presence in the Powerade team was a major factor, Yeng Guiao end up benching the kid and didnt let him play for reasons only coach Kalb's would know. I mean JA was the best performing player in the team at the Jones Cup, and benching him in the FIBA Asia merits at least an explanation on coach Yeng's part.

For me, I think Yeng's intention was really to woo Japeth Aguilar from the States so that he could persuade him to join the draft. That is why he pleaded with the Aguilars to let him join the team. And then when he was drafted, he benched him because he didnt want to injured his potential PBA star. He was protecting his investment. So now the kid's head is all messed up because he felt that coach Yeng violated his trust in him.

durden_tyler
08-28-2009, 06:17 PM
I may be wrong, the problem here isn't Japeth, it's the hybrid quality of the Gilas team. It's neither a club or a national team, but it's both and each of those. It's way too complicated to deal with this.

Excellent point there. Somewhere along the way, the fans have forgotten why for so long it's difficult to create a team from scratch this way. When Gilas announced that they are going to give contracts to players you knew then that situations like this could happen. We've seen the SBP vs. PBA angle. i would not be surprised when the time comes it becomes SBP vs. NCAA/UAAP or whatever league that player has come from.

Is that a good thing or bad thing eventually? i DO NOT know.

c_d
08-28-2009, 06:21 PM
It's not a preconceived notion, the fact of the matter is there are rules and rules you have to respect.

What control does a PBA team have if drafted players (unsigned, of course) starts demanding trades because they have do NOT want to play for the team that drafted them? This is the very reason for the draft and the league won't change it for one man alone because when the shit hits the fan everyone loses.

At the end of the day, Burger King is doing what it it should be doing to protect their own interest. They have his rights, and they will fight heaven and hell to protect that right and interest.

And ultimately, BK knows it can lose Japeth to the Gilas team and they would move on because there are NO RULES against that. However, Japeth should also realize that he might (make that, would) be missing out on some things because of this decision because there ARE RULES on this matter.

Yes there are rules to follow. BK for sure will fight for it's rights. There's no doubt about it. However, will the other board members choose to protect BK's rights over the league's interest? A better question would probably be, does BK's interest equate to the league's interest? It's no secret that the PBA is in dire need of new stars to check its waning popularity among the fans (They even lowered the amateur games required for Fil-Ams to play before they are eligible for the draft.) The board should also consider the fact that amateur players nowadays have other options other than the PBA like the Gilas Program and the soon-to-open Asean League (I'm not sure if they have a salary cap though).

It may set a bad precedent but then again, the PBA is already bleeding and it cannot afford to make it less attractive for players who will eventually become it's stars.

andry
08-28-2009, 06:23 PM
Hi guys. just want to share my opinion.

First, I admire Japhet for wanting to play for national cause than just play for money like Maierhofer and others. Seldom do we see this nationalism from our top basketball players.

Two, BK has no grounds to ban Japhet just because he refuse to sign the offer sheet. It's unlawfull to coerce someone to do something against his own will. Doing so is punishable by law. Also, are the PBA teams required to hire the services of all the players they drafted? Isn't it many of the drafted players end up as free agents?

Let me remind you guys of the case of Tony Kukoc. Tony was originaly drafted by Chicago bulls in the NBA when we applied for the draft but Tony did not want to play for the bulls because Jordan and Pippen were there. He assumed that we just get little playing time. So he like Japhet he refuse the opportunity. Did the NBA made a big fuss about this? No. Did the Bulls coerced and treathened Tony to play for them? No. Why should the PBA and BK do so? 1 or 2 years later Tony Kukoc had a change of heart and decided to try the NBA. Since the Bulls had the right of first refusal to Tony eventually end up playing for them. End of story. No banning of players. No coercion was needed.

with all due respect, i dont think grave coersion will arise in this scenario. no one is compelling anyone, by means of violence, threats or intimidation, to do something against that person's will, whether it be legally right or wrong. criminal liability is simply out of the question. however, JA and his agent may be held solidarily liable in a civil case if BK can prove any of these grounds: that there is breach of contract; or that there is a tortious act arising from quasi-delict.

than11
08-28-2009, 06:24 PM
Let me remind you guys of the case of Tony Kukoc. Tony was originaly drafted by Chicago bulls in the NBA when we applied for the draft but Tony did not want to play for the bulls because Jordan and Pippen were there. He assumed that we just get little playing time. So he like Japhet he refuse the opportunity. Did the NBA made a big fuss about this? No. Did the Bulls coerced and treathened Tony to play for them? No. Why should the PBA and BK do so? 1 or 2 years later Tony Kukoc had a change of heart and decided to try the NBA. Since the Bulls had the right of first refusal to Tony eventually end up playing for them. End of story. No banning of players. No coercion was needed.

I was young basketball fan that time..too young that I might not remember it right or just did not really understand..But what I remember is that
Tony just happened to be fulfilling some contractual obligations in Europe..And that the Bulls can not afford to buy him out of that contract owing to the huge contract of MJ..He went on to play for the Bulls after he finished his Jordanesque contract in Europe. I'm not sure if it was in Italy..but somewhere in Europe for sure..It's a different case since it was the Bulls who took the gamble on drafting the rights on a guy who is still bounded by a contract outside of the NBA..I'm a huge Bulls fan, so I happened to have an idea..

durden_tyler
08-28-2009, 06:39 PM
Let me remind you guys of the case of Tony Kukoc. Tony was originaly drafted by Chicago bulls in the NBA when we applied for the draft but Tony did not want to play for the bulls because Jordan and Pippen were there. He assumed that we just get little playing time. So he like Japhet he refuse the opportunity. Did the NBA made a big fuss about this? No. Did the Bulls coerced and treathened Tony to play for them? No. Why should the PBA and BK do so? 1 or 2 years later Tony Kukoc had a change of heart and decided to try the NBA. Since the Bulls had the right of first refusal to Tony eventually end up playing for them. End of story. No banning of players. No coercion was needed.

You have to look at the entire picture. Kukoc had zero leverage. It was either he played for the Bulls or play elsewhere because of the NBA Draft rules. Why he again suited up for the Bulls? Because Chicago holds his rights.

Answer this: if he chose to NOT play for the Bulls then where would have he ended up? Damn right, outside the NBA. Until the rights of the Bulls has been rescinded (or traded), it was the only time he could have signed with another NBA team.

Sure, the Bulls NEVER COERCED or THREATENED Kukoc then; but it was the (NBA) rules which coerced and threatened him to make that decision.


Yes there are rules to follow. BK for sure will fight for it's rights. There's no doubt about it. However, will the other board members choose to protect BK's rights over the league's interest? A better question would probably be, does BK's interest equate to the league's interest?

The league's interest on this matter is the fact that they do NOT want to see this to happen again. Bad precedents mean it could happen to you and your franchise. Would you want that to happen to your franchise?



It's no secret that the PBA is in dire need of new stars to check its waning popularity among the fans (They even lowered the amateur games required for Fil-Ams to play before they are eligible for the draft.) The board should also consider the fact that amateur players nowadays have other options other than the PBA like the Gilas Program and the soon-to-open Asean League (I'm not sure if they have a salary cap though).

And protecting the interests NOW is even more vital. You've mentioned Gilas and another league. i will do you a favor and mention a couple of more; Liga and PBL (to a lesser degree of course because of the money involved)

Let's assume the new league (ABL) has enough money to lure PBA stars; then say Draft Pick Number Five in the 2014 PBA Draft did not like the team that picked him because of various reason (coaches, players he doesn't like, contract offered) so he decides: eff you i am going to the ABL they have more money and i like the team there better?

That's utter disrespect to the rules of the draft; here we go again with Draft Pick Number Five wasted on a now non-existent entity.


It may set a bad precedent but then again, the PBA is already bleeding and it cannot afford to make it less attractive for players who will eventually become it's stars.

It's bleeding for so long, but it's still alive. It might die, it might not but it's certain they'd stick with rules that is making them survive.

phevergy
08-28-2009, 06:40 PM
Excellent point there. Somewhere along the way, the fans have forgotten why for so long it's difficult to create a team from scratch this way. When Gilas announced that they are going to give contracts to players you knew then that situations like this could happen. We've seen the SBP vs. PBA angle. i would not be surprised when the time comes it becomes SBP vs. NCAA/UAAP or whatever league that player has come from.

Is that a good thing or bad thing eventually? i DO NOT know.

I doubt that this would happen on the future with the new leadership of MVP who gains high respects from major stakeholders.Maybe if SBP is headed by Pichay,Villafuerte that might be the scenario.:D

yesha_24
08-28-2009, 06:40 PM
Playing in the PBA is like a 'job'.
If you don't want to have that job, don't sign the contract.
If I, for example, was offered a job by a company, and I didn't accept it, would I be banned from that company?
He applied in the draft, is it like having exams and interviews when applying for a job? syempre sa tingin ko pwede nya di tanggapin ung offer sa kanya kung di nya gusto..kaya kalokohan na ma-ban sya dahil di sya nag-sign ng contract..
trans: it's up to him if he will accept that job or not.

I loved the quote by Mr. Peter Aguilar (please correct me if I'm wrong)..
"BAHALA NA SILA.." (i-ban nyo kung gusto nyo, wala kaming pakialam wahahaha!)
trans:ban him if you want! we don't care!

durden_tyler
08-28-2009, 06:52 PM
Playing in the PBA is like a 'job'.
If you don't want to have that job, don't sign the contract.
If I, for example, was offered a job by a company, and I didn't accept it, would I be banned from that company?
He applied in the draft, is it like having exams and interviews when applying for a job? syempre sa tingin ko pwede nya di tanggapin ung offer sa kanya kung di nya gusto..kaya kalokohan na ma-ban sya dahil di sya nag-sign ng contract..
trans: it's up to him if he will accept that job or not.

I loved the quote by Mr. Peter Aguilar (please correct me if I'm wrong)..
"BAHALA NA SILA.." (i-ban nyo kung gusto nyo, wala kaming pakialam wahahaha!)
trans:ban him if you wan't! we don't care!

Then you never understood (or tried to understand) the nuisances of the draft. Your analogy by the way is far-fetched because the PBA, and other pro league's system is not corporate black and white.

yesha_24
08-28-2009, 07:30 PM
Then you never understood (or tried to understand) the nuisances of the draft. Your analogy by the way is far-fetched because the PBA, and other pro league's system is not corporate black and white.

Would that mean it's a contract that you MUST sign? What if the contract is total bullshit for example? Or if it's good but you don't like it..You still need to sign it? just a question coz I don't really know the PBA rules regarding this draft.

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 08:20 PM
Any new updates on current situation??

DRRC
08-28-2009, 08:33 PM
Then you never understood (or tried to understand) the nuisances of the draft. Your analogy by the way is far-fetched because the PBA, and other pro league's system is not corporate black and white.

This is the problem
they are a group of companies monopolizing the professional basketball league in the phils
this is sad bec they can dictate anything they want from the players and from the fans (oh arent they doing that now :))
As long as there is no contract they are ok, regarding being banned, ban him he has other places to go to get a living in basketball like SEA, Asia, Euroleague, Liga etc
But with the Smart Gilas exposure he will be getting, I wouldnt worry about him bec he is getting a salary from smart and if he is really that good he will get more offers from other teams, countries and leagues in the future
If not stay with the NT forever and just get import jobs
There's alot more opportunities out there aside from the PBA and the good players in the Phils now have another option aside from the pba

OjiesIII
08-28-2009, 08:40 PM
This is the problem
they are a group of companies monopolizing the professional basketball league in the phils
this is sad bec they can dictate anything they want from the players and from the fans (oh arent they doing that now :))
As long as there is no contract they are ok, regarding being banned, ban him he has other places to go to get a living in basketball like SEA, Asia, Euroleague, Liga etc
But with the Smart Gilas exposure he will be getting, I wouldnt worry about him bec he is getting a salary from smart and if he is really that good he will get more offers from other teams, countries and leagues in the future
If not stay with the NT forever and just get import jobs
There's alot more opportunities out there aside from the PBA and the good players in the Phils now have another option aside from the pba

i agree... and japeth camp's knows that.. the problem is if the PBA will allow smart-gilas to play in the league will japeth be included??

c_d
08-28-2009, 09:01 PM
@Mods
If my posts regarding the PBA banning Japeth needs to be moved to another thread, feel free to do so.

@Durden
First, I'm not trying to be hostile here. Peace.



That's utter disrespect to the rules of the draft; here we go again with Draft Pick Number Five wasted on a now non-existent entity.
They have rights they can always trade to another team to get something in return. Banning a player would be like giving him away to the competition.

They should ban the agent or the manager and not the player.

If they do not ban him from the league, it won't be the first time they'll be setting a bad precedent. There was the Fil-sham issue before when some teams hired ineligible players and passed them off as locals (I'd rather not name them in this forum). However, the absence of the banned players did not help with the gate receipts. When the PBA realized that they needed them, they let them play again. That's one case werein the rules were ignored in favor of profitability.



It's bleeding for so long, but it's still alive. It might die, it might not but it's certain they'd stick with rules that is making them survive.
The PBA is a business and it cannot go on with a bottom line that's in the red. Just like any business, it has to be profitable sooner or later or it's investors will just pull out, causing it to downsize or worse, close shop.

All that I'm saying here is the board has to think twice about banning him. There is now another league (ABL) that they will be competing with and fans will have more options. It's the old ways that caused the league's piece of the fan pie to get smaller and smaller. As a Filipino who wants nothing but a league we all eventually be proud of, I just hope that these old archaic ways won't cause the league that has always been equated to Philippine basketball to close shop.

dreamwalker
08-28-2009, 09:30 PM
Would that mean it's a contract that you MUST sign? What if the contract is total bullshit for example? Or if it's good but you don't like it..You still need to sign it? just a question coz I don't really know the PBA rules regarding this draft.

I'm not really familiar with the draft application and its provisions. what I am speculating is that it contain conditions that you need to sign a contract in a certain period of time, with the team who drafted you. With your new employer having the option/right to waive/trade you to another team for a monetary consideration and should you not enter into an agreement and have not sign any legal documents then you're free from any liability. They can't simply force you.

I am not a lawyer but to my understanding is that you need to affix your signature as an ACCEPTANCE to what is offered to you and both parties are amenable to the terms and conditions of the contract.

No signature, no contract, no deal.

durden_tyler
08-28-2009, 09:44 PM
Would that mean it's a contract that you MUST sign? What if the contract is total bullshit for example? Or if it's good but you don't like it..You still need to sign it? just a question coz I don't really know the PBA rules regarding this draft.

Again, it's the players call. Of course, they can refuse to sign it. But still the "rights" for that player will belong to that team. As a player you have a options a) hope that team releases you (rescinds the right) and you become a free agent; b) trades you and that right for another team and c) that right expires and you become a free agent nonetheless.

Let me reiterate that this case has indeed opened a can of worms because this should be the first time wherein a player chooses a team OUTSIDE of the PBA so it's very, very difficult to speculate on the possibilities and probable agreements/settlements on this one.

Option B happened in the Alex Cabagnot case--- he was disgruntled being picked by Sta Lucia and was later traded to Coke. He was unhappy with SLR management's offer and/or with his new teammates but this was later settled easily when he was traded and the story ended there. Option A has yet to happen especially with draft picks this high; of course teams would want something in return rather than just waste it! Option C needs more research (like how many years does a team holds the right, when does it start/end, etc) but it most likely has an expiration date because it is indeed unfair maybe illegal if a team holds the right of a player, forever.


This is the problem
they are a group of companies monopolizing the professional basketball league in the phils
this is sad bec they can dictate anything they want from the players and from the fans (oh arent they doing that now )

Pure bullshit. Please understand that there are rules. i am asking you to put yourself in Lito Alvarez's shoes. You just wasted your number one pick on thin air--- how would you feel? Please do not say that he's playing for the NT, etc etc because that's just irrelevant to the matter. You did not bring this to yourself. You assumed people understood that you have the right to protect your interests (in this case, "rights to player X") so that your team will get better. As a good businessman and general manager, what would you do?


As long as there is no contract they are ok, regarding being banned, ban him he has other places to go to get a living in basketball like SEA, Asia, Euroleague, Liga etc
But with the Smart Gilas exposure he will be getting, I wouldnt worry about him bec he is getting a salary from smart and if he is really that good he will get more offers from other teams, countries and leagues in the future
If not stay with the NT forever and just get import jobs
There's alot more opportunities out there aside from the PBA and the good players in the Phils now have another option aside from the pba.

Yes. There was no breach of contract. But still decisions that have repercussions in your PBA career.

But of course as you mentioned that becomes irrelevant if he chooses to play elsewhere. Well then, good luck Japeth.



@Durden
First, I'm not trying to be hostile here. Peace.


No problem at all. i am actually enjoying this.


They have rights they can always trade to another team to get something in return. Banning a player would be like giving him away to the competition.

First, i ask, what competition? If you say Gilas, i say its a competition that has been recognized by the league since the new program's inception. They recognized that they can't possibly earn the ire of fans and the SBP by having an obvious tug-of-war for these players--- new recruits will be hard to find yes, draft will be a little bit more shallow, yes but at the end of the day it's a program for a (very) good cause you are losing to--- meaning you can't win there. So the league's stand? Relax. One way or the other they will go back (beyond 2012 for some) and one way or the other you still will appeal to some quality players (i.e. Maierhofer, Menor among others) who did not make the cut for the NT.

Again i ask, what competition? ABL? Come on now. Let's see how successful that league becomes first. Euroleage, NBDL and the NBA? What can you really do if the player is that good?


If they do not ban him from the league, it won't be the first time they'll be setting a bad precedent. There was the Fil-sham issue before when some teams hired ineligible players and passed them off as locals (I'd rather not name them in this forum). However, the absence of the banned players did not help with the gate receipts. When the PBA realized that they needed them, they let them play again. That's one case werein the rules were ignored in favor of profitability.

Good point but different case. You want to protect the integrity of the draft in this one. But of course, we've seen stranger things happen. Maybe the PBA welcomes back Aguilar despite whatever the board decides? Maybe BK knows that eventually the possible ban for Japeth gets lifted in the future and just want to soften the blow now and looking for some sort-of compromise?


The PBA is a business and it cannot go on with a bottom line that's in the red. Just like any business, it has to be profitable sooner or later or it's investors will just pull out, causing it to downsize or worse, close shop.

You know what's funny? People have been saying that since early 2000 and yet, the PBA is still here. Break-even? Just doing enough? Either way, it's still alive.


All that I'm saying here is the board has to think twice about banning him. There is now another league (ABL) that they will be competing with and fans will have more options. It's the old ways that caused the league's piece of the fan pie to get smaller and smaller. As a Filipino who wants nothing but a league we all eventually be proud of, I just hope that these old archaic ways won't cause the league that has always been equated to Philippine basketball to close shop.

i don't know. But there should be penalties with regards to this issues. i hate when the time comes when Player X gets drafted but fails to suit up for Team A because he just did not want to. You've insulted the system of the league, and if you can get away with it you've just become bigger than the system. That opens the floodgates for some other problems which might cause even further damage to the league.

Finally, you've been saying that this is old and archaic ways; pardon me, but what exactly is the innovative and ground-breaking take in cases like this?

c_d
08-28-2009, 10:55 PM
Finally, you've been saying that this is old and archaic ways; pardon me, but what exactly is the innovative and ground-breaking take in cases like this?
What I was referring to as old and archaic was the PBA being "a league by Filipinos for Filipinos" instead of being "the breeding ground of world-class Filipino players."

This is not something groundbreaking nor is it innovative since other leagues around the world are already doing this. We have the oldest league in Asia but until now, we have not yet produced a player good enough to be in the NBA.

PUGOtipm
08-28-2009, 10:59 PM
Japeth should have join the Gilas rather than the PBA draft in the first place.

durden_tyler
08-28-2009, 11:00 PM
What I was referring to as old and archaic was the PBA being "a league by Filipinos for Filipinos" instead of being "the breeding ground of world-class Filipino players."

This is not something groundbreaking nor is it innovative since other leagues around the world are already doing this. We have the oldest league in Asia but until now, we have not yet produced a player good enough to be in the NBA.

Got it. i was assuming we were talking about Japeth and his case.

pachador
08-28-2009, 11:59 PM
I wonder if one of the 3 situations happened:

1.) Yeng manipulated/convinced/whatever/ japeth into signing for the pba draft, and he was 'pressured' .

2.) Japeth decided not to sign the BK contract thats why he got benched in fiba-asia.

3.) why was japeth wearing the BK uniform during the draft night(?) did he have a different manager before ? and Ronnie nathanielz replaced that manager, hence, the change and dropping of BK ? or was Ronnie his manager all along ?

DRRC
08-29-2009, 12:25 AM
Pure bullshit. Please understand that there are rules. i am asking you to put yourself in Lito Alvarez's shoes. You just wasted your number one pick on thin air--- how would you feel? Please do not say that he's playing for the NT, etc etc because that's just irrelevant to the matter. You did not bring this to yourself. You assumed people understood that you have the right to protect your interests (in this case, "rights to player X") so that your team will get better. As a good businessman and general manager, what would you do?


What do you mean?
Are you not aware of the monopoly in Philippine professional basketball?
It is only the PBA and that is it. Who regulates them, no one but the board made up of 4-5 companies.
You are very opinionated but you have to look at the facts.
Yes BK has his rights but he may opt not to play in the PBA, has anyone thought about that?
The problem is the players have no rights, the teams and board are dictating everything. They have a salary cap for rookies, they trade players with each other like trading cards, they dont even have funds or benefits for old PBA players. All are for the benefit of the companies.
Playing in the NT is not IRRELEVANT bec this is the option now available to them. They can play for smart gilas and be exposed to the international basketball scene instead of being stagnant in a monopolized old fashion league

There are rules to be followed but they have not signed a contract yet, hence is not binding
closing your eyes and saying one thing is wrong or pure bullshit bec it has not been done before (opting to play with the smart team instead of the PBA) is so backward and closed minded. No progress will happen bec of this and bec of the RULES set by the board on players (banning them bec they dont play for BK)
Looks like you think like the PBA, narrow and self fulfulling without progress, poor you

lovejones
08-29-2009, 12:42 AM
Japeth Aguilar off to Smart Gilas
Saturday, August 29, 2009
http://bleachersbrew.blogspot.com/2009/08/japeth-aguilar-off-to-smart-gilas.html

Posted by Rick Olivares

STATEMENT OF JAPETH AGUILAR

When I returned home after graduating from Western Kentucky University it was mainly because I wanted the chance to play for the Philippines in the FIBA Asia Championships and feel the pride that comes from playing for my country.

Unfortunately it didn’t go too well. But having seen first hand what it was like, how the teams from the Middle-East played and the system they followed, I felt the challenge to try again and to take them on, confident that we could surely do better the next time with hard work, dedication and the willingness to sacrifice and learn.

I am prepared to do just that. My father Peter who also played for the Northern Consolidated national team wants me to do that and so do the other members of our family.

The only way I can achieve this goal is by playing for the Smart Gilas development team under coach Rajko Toroman provided of course that they accept me since I had initially decided to enter the PBA Annual Draft.

I am confident that they will.

The experience of Tinajin, China, opened my eyes and told me that if I truly want to help my country in international basketball I will have to sacrifice a career in the pro league with all the glamour and all the perks, and join the national pool for the present time.

I will always be grateful to coach Yeng Guiao for the opportunity he gave me to play for the Philippines, Powerade Team Filipinas manager JB Baylon and PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios for their kindness, understanding and support.

I wish to extend my deep sense of gratitude to coach Yeng, Burger King team owner Mr. Bert Lina and team manager and PBA chairman Lito Alvarez for their confidence in my ability by making me their No.1 draft pick.

I trust they will understand that my desire to play for my country means more to me and my family than anything else.

I have made the choice with my family’s blessings and encouragement.

I hope and pray that my countrymen will support me in the effort to help strengthen the Philippine Team in its continuing quest for respect and redemption in international basketball.

SGD. Japeth Aguilar

durden_tyler
08-29-2009, 12:44 AM
What do you mean?
Are you not aware of the monopoly in Philippine professional basketball?
It is only the PBA and that is it. Who regulates them, no one but the board made up of 4-5 companies. You are very opinionated but you have to look at the facts.

It's a monopoly not because by choice but because it is the only choice. Do you blame them for that too? Do you blame them that there are no other quality pro leagues in the Philippines?


Yes BK has his rights but he may opt not to play in the PBA, has anyone thought about that?

If you've actually been reading you might have realized by now that you just reinvented the wheel.


The problem is the players have no rights, the teams and board are dictating everything. They have a salary cap for rookies, they trade players with each other like trading cards, they dont even have funds or benefits for old PBA players. All are for the benefit of the companies.

Just like in the NBA, it's a business. Apply elsewhere if you can not follow the rules (Then again, leagues like PBL, Liga and such have rules)


Playing in the NT is not IRRELEVANT bec this is the option now available to them. They can play for smart gilas and be exposed to the international basketball scene instead of being stagnant in a monopolized old fashion league

Irrelevant to the case at hand. i will spell it out to you because you seem to be having a problem with reading comprehension: Irrelevant to the current issue of BK vs. Aguilar. Again, if you've been reading (please do, this will save a lot of time) i've been saying all along that personally i want Japeth to land with Gilas because that team needs him to be more competitive.


There are rules to be followed but they have not signed a contract yet, hence is not binding

Kakapagod naman makiusap sa di nagbabasa. Ulit, no contract is signed yet. Nothing illegal at all with what Japeth is planning to do. BUT there are draft rules and he most likely have violated it. That's why the board will and shall discuss this. It's as simple as that. Now for the exact rules and eventual ruling? That we have to wait and see.


closing your eyes and saying one thing is wrong or pure bullshit bec it has not been done before (opting to play with the smart team instead of the PBA) is so backward and closed minded. No progress will happen bec of this and bec of the RULES set by the board on players (banning them bec they dont play for BK)
Looks like you think like the PBA, narrow and self fulfulling without progress, poor you

Again, thank you for reading 10 per cent of people's post. You'll save yourself from lots of embarrassment if you do that.

durden_tyler
08-29-2009, 12:48 AM
STATEMENT OF JAPETH AGUILAR

When I returned home after graduating from Western Kentucky University it was mainly because I wanted the chance to play for the Philippines in the FIBA Asia Championships and feel the pride that comes from playing for my country.

Unfortunately it didn’t go too well. But having seen first hand what it was like, how the teams from the Middle-East played and the system they followed, I felt the challenge to try again and to take them on, confident that we could surely do better the next time with hard work, dedication and the willingness to sacrifice and learn.

I am prepared to do just that. My father Peter who also played for the Northern Consolidated national team wants me to do that and so do the other members of our family.

The only way I can achieve this goal is by playing for the Smart Gilas development team under coach Rajko Toroman provided of course that they accept me since I had initially decided to enter the PBA Annual Draft.

I am confident that they will.

The experience of Tinajin, China, opened my eyes and told me that if I truly want to help my country in international basketball I will have to sacrifice a career in the pro league with all the glamour and all the perks, and join the national pool for the present time.

I will always be grateful to coach Yeng Guiao for the opportunity he gave me to play for the Philippines, Powerade Team Filipinas manager JB Baylon and PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios for their kindness, understanding and support.

I wish to extend my deep sense of gratitude to coach Yeng, Burger King team owner Mr. Bert Lina and team manager and PBA chairman Lito Alvarez for their confidence in my ability by making me their No.1 draft pick.

I trust they will understand that my desire to play for my country means more to me and my family than anything else.

I have made the choice with my family’s blessings and encouragement.

I hope and pray that my countrymen will support me in the effort to help strengthen the Philippine Team in its continuing quest for respect and redemption in international basketball.

Finally a closure to all this. Good luck to Japeth and his decisions. Not that the story ends here but at least the speculation on where he's indeed playing ends. Now, we wait how BK and the PBA will react.

DRRC
08-29-2009, 12:48 AM
i don't know. But there should be penalties with regards to this issues. i hate when the time comes when Player X gets drafted but fails to suit up for Team A because he just did not want to. You've insulted the system of the league, and if you can get away with it you've just become bigger than the system. That opens the floodgates for some other problems which might cause even further damage to the league.

Finally, you've been saying that this is old and archaic ways; pardon me, but what exactly is the innovative and ground-breaking take in cases like this?

What is wrong with having other options instead of just the PBA?
Looks like for you the PBA is the only place for good BB players to go to in the Phils. The PBA has 10 teams with 15-20 players each, fast turnover of players bec of a good number of drafts every year. The draft is just for the PBA and nothing else, a player has the freedom now to chose where he wants to play. For 35 years it was only the PBA now there is another option you cry foul as if the PBA was getting beaten up and bullied. The damage on the league was made by themselves. They made it into a company for the members benefit hence people are not so responsive now especially with the economic difficulties of the country.
Free choice is good, unfortunately in the Phils too many people are not willing to have this basic right

durden_tyler
08-29-2009, 12:52 AM
What is wrong with having other options instead of just the PBA?
Looks like for you the PBA is the only place for good BB players to go to in the Phils. The PBA has 10 teams with 15-20 players each, fast turnover of players bec of a good number of drafts every year. The draft is just for the PBA and nothing else, a player has the freedom now to chose where he wants to play. For 35 years it was only the PBA now there is another option you cry foul as if the PBA was getting beaten up and bullied. The damage on the league was made by themselves. They made it into a company for the members benefit hence people are not so responsive now especially with the economic difficulties of the country.
Free choice is good, unfortunately in the Phils too many people are not willing to have this basic right

Tsk. Again: read.

DRRC
08-29-2009, 12:55 AM
It's a monopoly not because by choice but because it is the only choice. Do you blame them for that too? Do you blame them that there are no other quality pro leagues in the Philippines?


If you've actually been reading you might have realized by now that you just reinvented the wheel.



Just like in the NBA, it's a business. Apply elsewhere if you can not follow the rules (Then again, leagues like PBL, Liga and such have rules)



Irrelevant to the case at hand. i will spell it out to you because you seem to be having a problem with reading comprehension: Irrelevant to the current issue of BK vs. Aguilar. Again, if you've been reading (please do, this will save a lot of time) i've been saying all along that personally i want Japeth to land with Gilas because that team needs him to be more competitive.

Kakapagod naman makiusap sa di nagbabasa. Ulit, no contract is signed yet. Nothing illegal at all with what Japeth is planning to do. BUT there are draft rules and he most likely have violated it. That's why the board will and shall discuss this. It's as simple as that. Now for the exact rules and eventual ruling? That we have to wait and see.


Again, thank you for reading 10 per cent of people's post. You'll save yourself from lots of embarrassment if you do that.

With all your yapping you did not say anything new or productive
look who is going around like a wheel
All you do is say your opinions and take others' as wrong
You can say all the opinions in the world but pls dont judge other's posts
Good luck to you buddy, you will need it in life

DRRC
08-29-2009, 01:03 AM
Again, thank you for reading 10 per cent of people's post. You'll save yourself from lots of embarrassment if you do that.

dude how do you know I read 10%? what if it was 11?
see how judgemental you are buddy
we need informative and productive posts here, not bashing ones




sorry guys this guy got me started and I had to tell him a few things on my mind since he has alot of OPINIONS about everyone's posts
now back to the program

TrueBluePinoy
08-29-2009, 01:21 AM
I thought his stint Tianjin was the main reason why he joined the draft in the first place?? (Coach Yeng had a hand on this).

lovejones
08-29-2009, 01:46 AM
I thought his stint Tianjin was the main reason why he joined the draft in the first place?? (Coach Yeng had a hand on this).

As things stand now, more like the opposite. It was because of his Tianjin stint and his lack of playing time thereat that convinced him to nix the BK offer.

BK traded most of its key players in anticipation of Japeth's arrival. The fact that Japeth entered the draft was rightfully viewed by BK as a sign that they should now start rebuilding around him.

Based on his statement, it looks like he doesn't care about the damage that he inflicted on BK and his former coach.

patay-butiki
08-29-2009, 01:58 AM
As things stand now, more like the opposite. It was because of his Tianjin stint and his lack of playing time thereat that convinced him to nix the BK offer.

BK traded most of its key players in anticipation of Japeth's arrival. The fact that Japeth entered the draft was rightfully viewed by BK as a sign that they should now start rebuilding around him.

Based on his statement, it looks like he doesn't care about the damage that he inflicted on BK and his former coach.

dude this is not entirely the fault of japeth. more of the blame should fall on BK management. they should know that drafting is not the same as signing. they should make sure that their asses are covered before they make big decisions. obviously, this is just a case of poor decision-making from BK management. and obviously, they will have the tendency to point at japeth as the main culprit. but they should look in the mirror. they were so friggin' careless, to say the least.

durden_tyler
08-29-2009, 02:06 AM
dude this is not entirely the fault of japeth. more of the blame should fall on BK management. they should know that drafting is not the same as signing. they should make sure that their asses are covered before they make big decisions. obviously, this is just a case of poor decision-making from BK management. and obviously, they will have the tendency to point at japeth as the main culprit. but they should look in the mirror. they were so friggin' careless, to say the least.

Yes. It's a business. One-up for the Aguilars. See when you favorite player does it, it's A-okay but when the PBA does it and tells people "it's just business" they bash them?

A spade is a spade; what comes around goes around.

DRRC
08-29-2009, 02:12 AM
dude this is not entirely the fault of japeth. more of the blame should fall on BK management. they should know that drafting is not the same as signing. they should make sure that their asses are covered before they make big decisions. obviously, this is just a case of poor decision-making from BK management. and obviously, they will have the tendency to point at japeth as the main culprit. but they should look in the mirror. they were so friggin' careless, to say the least.

you are very right
heads would roll but it would not be JA's
He was drafted and offered, he decided to go somewhere else, is there a problem there
You know Alvarez is making a lot of noise bec he was the one negotiating with JA and he is the one who cant close the deal
:D

Johnny A
08-29-2009, 02:25 AM
You have to feel for BK, what they had is just a handshake contract from Japeth. But i dont think Japeth should be banned but doesnt mean the PBA should tolerate this. The PBA, in future drafts, should have laws against this, at least the first-round draft choices, because these first rounders are expected to suit up in their respective ballclubs. With BK, they have to live with this, if its any consolation, other teams in the past have wasted their picks on potential blue chips but were found out to be duds.

lovejones
08-29-2009, 02:26 AM
this got me thinking. remember the newspaper article (this was after tianjin) where coach kalbs remarked that japeth was "nabobo" in his wku stint, and that, at last, he would learn the nuances and "gulang" of the game from the coach himself.

you think this was the final straw for japeth?

The_Big_Cat
08-29-2009, 02:36 AM
Guys, we're getting OT here.
There is a thread for the "Japeth Aguilar Saga".