Yogev Ohayon

[ip842]

Israeli PG I like very much.
Unfortunately like some other PGs I like his shot is inconsistent and this is why there are so big ups and downs at his games.



I would do also a summery vs Unicks Kazan if somebody would upload a torrent of the game...

 

[MaccabiTA2]

It's time for him to become a more consistent player, not just his shot isn't consistent but his all game. And he's not getting any younger.. IMO he won't get far. (and i hope that I'm wrong)

 

[ip842]

It's time for him to become a more consistent player, not just his shot isn't consistent but his all game. And he's not getting any younger.. IMO he won't get far. (and i hope that I'm wrong)

Shots issue effects the whole game. A player that doesn't hit shots becomes not dangerous from outside, and then it's easy for the defense to stop him, and in addition the shot has a big influence on the confidence of a player.

Yogev is 22, not that old...

 

[MaccabiTA2]

Shots issue effects the whole game. A player that doesn't hit shots becomes not dangerous from outside, and then it's easy for the defense to stop him, and in addition the shot has a big influence on the confidence of a player.

Yogev is 22, not that old...

He is also not a very responsible player. if i'm not wrong he is'nt far from 23 (month or two) and what i ment is that he doesn't improve in the last years, at least not significantly, he still have the same weaknesses as few years ago and if he wanna get where his potential can take him he should start working hard.

 

[ip842]

He is also not a very responsible player. if i'm not wrong he is'nt far from 23 (month or two) and what i ment is that he doesn't improve in the last years, at least not significantly, he still have the same weaknesses as few years ago and if he wanna get where his potential can take him he should start working hard.

It's not a matter of responsibility... It's just that when you don't have many option because of your limitations, any you still need to do something, you will have to do something which is unexpected and therefore pick a risky play...

There are players who even don't need to think at the game - every decision they would take, the action will go well.
On the other hand, there are players who are not capable to do many things, and sometimes any decision the would make the action will go wrong.


About working hard - how do you know he doesn't work hard? Everybody who knows him tell that he is a hard worker.

 

[MaccabiTA2]

About working hard - how do you know he doesn't work hard? Everybody who knows him tell that he is a hard worker.

I'm not sure if he's working hard or not, but i can't see any significant improvement by him.

 

[ip842]

I'm not sure if he's working hard or not, but i can't see any significant improvement by him.

I'm not arguing about that.

But there are players that you can enjoy their game whether they are at EL level or not.

 

[MaccabiTA2]

I'm not arguing about that.

But there are players that you can enjoy their game whether they are at EL level or not.

when he's in a good day he is definatly one of these players, but what I'm tryin to say is that after u see what he is capable of it dissapoints u when his level fall in the next game once again..

 

[ip842]

when he's in a good day he is definatly one of these players, but what I'm tryin to say is that after u see what he is capable of it dissapoints u when his level fall in the next game once again..

you tell me about this?

 

[ArnoldPettybone2]

Typical Israeli player.
One really good game every couple of months, accompanied by a huge slump in level of play after that game is over.
Barely a national team material, shameful at his age.

 

[ip842]

Typical Israeli player.
One really good game every couple of months, accompanied by a huge slump in level of play after that game is over.
Barely a national team material, shameful at his age.

Excuse me, but it's a BS.

Do you know Sergio Rodriguez?
Every single world was said at this thread about Yogev could be said about him as well. So is he a typical Israeli player too?

What is typical Israeli thing is weeping about the players that we have instead of understanding that if not them, the next level would me much worse. And if you define the general level of our elite players as low, the blame is not on these players but not having other better players.
If you for example would be better player then Yogev, then the level of our elite players would rise.

 

[Roy M2]

Excuse me, but it's a BS.

Do you know Sergio Rodriguez?
Every single world was said at this thread about Yogev could be said about him as well. So is he a typical Israeli player too?

What is typical Israeli thing is weeping about the players that we have instead of understanding that if not them, the next level would me much worse. And if you define the general level of our elite players as low, the blame is not on these players but not having other better players.
If you for example would be better player then Yogev, then the level of our elite players would rise.

You have to Excuse me. He is 150% right!
What did Ohayon to give him your credit?
He has one good game and 5 that he destroys his team. only the foreigners are making wins in the Israeli's teams.

Do you want names of better player then him? I'll give U in his position:
Roth, Mekel, Halperin(!), Limonad, Brener.

 

[ArnoldPettybone2]

Excuse me, but it's a BS.

Do you know Sergio Rodriguez?
Every single world was said at this thread about Yogev could be said about him as well. So is he a typical Israeli player too?

What is typical Israeli thing is weeping about the players that we have instead of understanding that if not them, the next level would me much worse. And if you define the general level of our elite players as low, the blame is not on these players but not having other better players.
If you for example would be better player then Yogev, then the level of our elite players would rise.

Obviously if there were better players they would be the typical Israeli players and not him...
As for the other part of your message, again,lol...maybe the reason we don't have a decent pool of players is the fact there there is so few players the likes of casspi, pnini (minus his violence antics) and even dror hagag that actually improve their game and play over the years (and people don't value well enough as they make their climb up) and so many spice boys the likes of you so adore...

 

[the_black_planet2]

Hey guys,stop being miserable,you have a bunch of very talented and really young players.At least I hope some time they'll get to play alltogether in the NT,with Caspi as well but you know,Serbians,Croatians and others have the same problem many years now.Israely players were always known for great fighting spirit so I don't think you should accusse them for not working hard,it was also very obvious that they lacked physical abilities,but this has changed now with the presence of Caspi!Also Halperin has been established as a great role player for top EL teams,just cross your fingers for Burnstein to stay healthy because he is the most capable for being NT's captain.So imagine in 2-3 years:Caspi,Eliahu,Green,Halperin,Burnstein+Naimi,Mekel,Limonad,Pnini,Bluthendal(btw I have no clue why he never played for NT,what's wrong?).Not bad you just need some capable tall guy,some naturalised could do that job BTW I guess you ip84 are a Hapoel Jerusalem fan.How comes you really prefer Ohayon to Naimi,I'm an Aris fan and in the games against you I was really impressed by that guy,true quality!

 

[ip842]

Hey guys,stop being miserable,you have a bunch of very talented and really young players.At least I hope some time they'll get to play alltogether in the NT,with Caspi as well but you know,Serbians,Croatians and others have the same problem many years now.Israely players were always known for great fighting spirit so I don't think you should accusse them for not working hard,it was also very obvious that they lacked physical abilities,but this has changed now with the presence of Caspi!Also Halperin has been established as a great role player for top EL teams,just cross your fingers for Burnstein to stay healthy because he is the most capable for being NT's captain.So imagine in 2-3 years:Caspi,Eliahu,Green,Halperin,Burnstein+Naimi,Mekel,Limonad,Pnini,Bluthendal(btw I have no clue why he never played for NT,what's wrong?).Not bad you just need some capable tall guy,some naturalised could do that job BTW I guess you ip84 are a Hapoel Jerusalem fan.How comes you really prefer Ohayon to Naimi,I'm an Aris fan and in the games against you I was really impressed by that guy,true quality!

I'm not a fan of any team.
Actually I watched more games of Olimpiacos (and maybe of Panatinaikos too) this season than of any the Israeli teams....

I'm just a fan of basketball, and I like certain teams and certain players...

 

[Czarkazem132]

I always liked and rooted for Ohayon. Of course his play is inconsistent and he hasn't really seemed to improve that much over the years (as something unfortunately to many young Israeli prospects tend to....).

There is still time and he has had some solid - even great - games this season, but it isn't to late for him yet.

Black Planet:

I'm not sure what it is with Bluthenthal, maybe he thinks he still has a shot with the U.S. team.

 

[ArnoldPettybone2]

but you know,Serbians,Croatians and others have the same problem many years now

What are you talking about? what "problems"? with their record of players in the NBA,
Europe at foreign teams, national teams and success of local teams in European competitions over the years?? Give me their "problems" by all means. With our relative wealth and that talent we would easily be a powerhouse the likes of your country.

.Israely players were always known for great fighting spirit so I don't think you should accuse them for not working hard

And why are the two connected in any way? a team from some bullshit league could have great fighting spirit. That alone doesn't make it a much better team that it is, or have anything to do with the players work ethic

btw I have no clue why he never played for NT,what's wrong?

He just doesn't want to.

 

[Billy Bounce2]

You're too harsh on Ohayon, guys

He's probably the contender for "The Most Improved Player" this season . I remember him having a problem just to cut aggressively to the basket : he was afraid to be fouled with 50% FT ( a disaster for a guard )

Now check his stats:

1) FT: 58% -> 68%
2) 3pts: 28% -> 40%
3) Assists/TOs: 3.9/2.3 -> 3.1/1.6

Take in mind that 2-3 Yogev's assists per game are wasted by Kukia & Pinkney : as u can see in ip84 video, sometimes these guys have a problem of making an easy lay-up

On the account of Ohayon tribute to NT , do we have a lot of creative PGs who can play defense ? Somehow Israeli guards are either scorers ( Halperin, Naimi, Roth, Mekel) or defensive stoppers ( Katz , Brener) , but not both

 

[ip842]

Forgot to put here the second summery:

 

[the_black_planet2]

My friend ArnoldPettybone,sorry for the too late answer.Israeli's basketball is a really hard riddle for every basketball fan.You are one of the countries with great basketball trandition and I also guess(I'm not sure) that you are one of the very few countries where basketball is more popular than football(along with Lithuania).But unfortunately you have a really huge obstacle,the lack of talented big bodies.That's the main problem why you are not a powerhouse NT-wise(because club-wise I really don't think that Greek A1 is at the moment much stronger than Israeli league,only we have 2 Euroleague contenders and you have one).I can't guess an explanation about that,maybe you don't spend enough money in academies,I don't know.On the other hand in Israel always shows up some super talent.It was Odded Katash in the late 90's and now Caspi.Let me tell you that we Greeks had no talent like Kattash back then.He was probably the most gifted guard of his generation,a real joy to watch,the new Sasha Djorjevic.But unfortunately right after winning the EL and been voted MVP of the final-4,his career ended violently.If Odded was more lucky,probably the history of Israeli basketball would be much,much different...Also another 2 of your strongest players last decade had a bunch of injury problems,Sheffer and later Burnstein.I really hope Caspi would be more lucky than them,you should really look after him like "the iris of your eye" as we use to say in Greece.Apart from that the only thing your federation has to do is to take a big body and invest money to practice him and make something good of him