Which teams do you want to see fail at WBC?

[jorje2]

First of all ppl must think in 1 thing. Spain has a basketball forum with more than 60.000 guys. [flaming, deleted]

Gallis is clearly worse than pau. He is still a good player but Pau has 2 nba championship near he did near 20-10 at play off, he plays in the ebst team in the world and is unstoppable with his national team. Pau has in his 4 last tournaments Gold WC, Silver European, SIlver Olimpics games and Gold European. Not bad. Gallis hasn't got it.

And maybe Gallis is more important to greek basketball than pau to spanish basketball. If a worse player is better from his country than a better player the reason is that greek basketball tradition is poorly than spanish basketball tradition

And for Spanish haters I understand u. 75 % or mroe are greeks and we always win over u. It's normal that u hate us

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I really like US national team.
The best moments i can recall, are exactly from that team.
I do not dislike Spain, because they are the best in Europe.
But i still support my birth-country Greece ,even though i do not live there.
And btw one gold in Eurobasket is not a strong tradition( even Greeks with their ''poor'' tradition have 2 golds) .
Spain during the last years have a top basketball team and by far the best football team.
No need to insult other countries and nations.
I guess you never saw Galis playing and there is no meaning into comparing him with Pau.
Different eras different players.

 

[Delibasic2]

i've already posted my reply to this but have the need to re-iterate my point
i hope USA fails
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. miserably

 

[Delibasic2]

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I really like US national team.
The best moments i can recall, are exactly from that team.
I do not dislike Spain, because they are the best in Europe.
But i still support my birth-country Greece ,even though i do not live there.
And btw one gold in Eurobasket is not a strong tradition( even Greeks with their ''poor'' tradition have 2 golds) .
Spain during the last years have a top basketball team and by far the best football team.
No need to insult other countries and nations.
I guess you never saw Galis playing and there is no meaning into comparing him with Pau.
Different eras different players.

i agree. when nikos was playing against us (ex-yugoslavia) i hated him, which only means that he was really, really good. he made, what was then an ordinary greek team, into champion team.

 

[Dtown2]

I can't believe I was so upbeat and friendly when I voted. The closer we get to the tournament, one thing's for sure.

I would love it if the Greeks completely fell flat on their face.

 

[Perseus2]

not a Greek fan burn him burn him!!!

 

[sseppel2]

not a greek fan burn him burn him!!!

:d :d :d :d :d :d

 

[KWSN-Men2]

i agree. when nikos was playing against us (ex-yugoslavia) i hated him, which only means that he was really, really good. he made, what was then an ordinary greek team, into champion team.

I agree.

Greece had a poor team with players to become a good team. And Galis took this poor team and lead them to the top.

Saying Pau Gasol is better than him is:

1. Out of context, as these players belong to completely different eras.

2. Ignorant, as Galis was one of a kind.

 

[sseppel2]

I agree.

Greece had a poor team with players to become a good team. And Galis took this poor team and lead them to the top.

Saying Pau Gasol is better than him is:

1. Out of context, as these players belong to completely different eras.

2. Ignorant, as Galis was one of a kind.

I agree with point one.

Regarding point two, you must be right, since Gasol is a regular player. Only that he is tall and has been lucky to be in good teams.

 

[Kwijibo2]

I agree.

Greece had a poor team with players to become a good team. And Galis took this poor team and lead them to the top.

Saying Pau Gasol is better than him is:

1. Out of context, as these players belong to completely different eras.

2. Ignorant, as Galis was one of a kind.

And? Is not better Magic johnson that victor sada? (different eras)
Pau Gasol is clearly better than gallis. i want to see gallis in a NBA final against Boston Celtics

 

[Kalashnikov]

And? Is not better Magic johnson that victor sada? (different eras)
Pau Gasol is clearly better than gallis. i want to see gallis in a NBA final against Boston Celtics

Pau didn't do this with the Grizzlies! He managed to reach the top only when he had quality co-players on his side such as Cobe, Odom, Farmer etc.

Galis was an 1-man army. One of the few players on the entire sports history (of all sports) that had the capacity to take a team and lead it to victory only on their own. He was a member of the very rare brand of sportsmen that just because they played, the rest of the players of that team would play 200% their normal potential.
Other such players are:
- Jordan
- Maradona

If you compare achievements and trophies, no doubt Gasol has more. And noone here is saying that he's an "unimportant" player. Quite the contrary!

But comparing head-to-head 2 entirely different players playing at different times/teams/positions etc. is as productive as the Maradona vs. Pele rivalry. When you figure the first one out, come and resolve the galis vs. gasol. But until then, there are more useful things to be said...

 

[sseppel2]

Pau didn't do this with the Grizzlies! He managed to reach the top only when he had quality co-players on his side such as Cobe, Odom, Farmer etc.

Galis was an 1-man army. One of the few players on the entire sports history (of all sports) that had the capacity to take a team and lead it to victory only on their own. He was a member of the very rare brand of sportsmen that just because they played, the rest of the players of that team would play 200% their normal potential.
Other such players are:
- Jordan
- Maradona

That's a quite extended myth, but I disagree. It was like that the first years, but he had very good teams every time he won the ring. The Bulls finished 2nd in the NBA without Jordan in 93/94 season, with a 55 - 27 mark. Certainly not a bad team.

 

[Apollo642]

Ok, i'll bite.

Some amazing Galis videos as a refresher, they are worth watching in case you missed his era:

Eurobasket 1987 Final vs Soviet Union, 40pts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93qc8EzsohM

38pts vs Jugoplastica

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PYutPDp3cM&feature=related

45pts vs Barcelona

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSlmpp7TSo&feature=related

44pts vs Yugoslavia, Eurobasket 1987 group game

http://www.youtube.com/user/Skatastamoutrasas#p/u/5/xBPxuEx14xA

50pts against european champions Tracer Milano in 1987

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9dBn72HRn8



Thing is that he did that in *every* game. In his last season in then equivalent of Euroleague and at the age of 38 he still finished #1 in points, #1 in %FG, #1 in assists playing for a Final Four team. The European basketball hasn't witnessed such scoring dominance since him and this is no exaggeration.

PS: There was an great clip of him scoring 45pts in the 1989 Eurobasket semifinal against Soviet Union, unfortunately it is blocked. Instead, here is a clip of Galis playing with Larry Bird in the 1979 NCAA All Star Game!

http://www.youtube.com/user/Skatastamoutrasas#p/u/2/PUdOiTjIcxo

 

[jorje2]

And? Is not better Magic johnson that victor sada? (different eras)
Pau Gasol is clearly better than gallis. i want to see gallis in a NBA final against Boston Celtics

Wait for a couple of years because Galis is too young.Are you kidding us here?
Oh boy .
Ok i have to admit Pau Gasol is the best human ever did sports on this planet.
Or maybe he is the apostle of God not even a human.
Spain is the land of God and many are called, but few are chosen.. Spaniards.
Is it so damn difficult to understand that everyone has his own preferences.
Maradona,Pele,ZIdane,Van Basten........
Gausol,Jordan,Petrovic,Kukoc,Galis....
Different players,different eras, differenet teams different accomplishments.
And at the end of the day even if Pau did an amazing career in NBA he never really was a leader of a poor skilled team and lead them to the top.
Of course Galis did not try his career in NBA.But once he leaded his team in a victory against the first Dream Team ever appeared, just before the US team,I mean the Yugoslavia at the end of 80s.
Radivoi Korac,Alexander Belov ........never played in NBA.
And Pele never played in Europe.
So what???

 

[KWSN-Men2]

Pau didn't do this with the Grizzlies! He managed to reach the top only when he had quality co-players on his side such as Cobe, Odom, Farmer etc.

Galis was an 1-man army. One of the few players on the entire sports history (of all sports) that had the capacity to take a team and lead it to victory only on their own. He was a member of the very rare brand of sportsmen that just because they played, the rest of the players of that team would play 200% their normal potential.
Other such players are:
- Jordan
- Maradona

If you compare achievements and trophies, no doubt Gasol has more. And noone here is saying that he's an "unimportant" player. Quite the contrary!

But comparing head-to-head 2 entirely different players playing at different times/teams/positions etc. is as productive as the Maradona vs. Pele rivalry. When you figure the first one out, come and resolve the galis vs. gasol. But until then, there are more useful things to be said...

-Dirk.

Pau had a taste of that vs GErmany in 2005

 

[KWSN-Men2]

Ok, i'll bite.

Some amazing Galis videos as a refresher, they are worth watching in case you missed his era:

Eurobasket 1987 Final vs Soviet Union, 40pts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93qc8EzsohM

38pts vs Jugoplastica

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PYutPDp3cM&feature=related

45pts vs Barcelona

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSlmpp7TSo&feature=related

44pts vs Yugoslavia, Eurobasket 1987 group game

http://www.youtube.com/user/Skatastamoutrasas#p/u/5/xBPxuEx14xA

50pts against european champions Tracer Milano in 1987

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9dBn72HRn8



Thing is that he did that in *every* game. In his last season in then equivalent of Euroleague and at the age of 38 he still finished #1 in points, #1 in %FG, #1 in assists playing for a Final Four team. The European basketball hasn't witnessed such scoring dominance since him and this is no exaggeration.

PS: There was an great clip of him scoring 45pts in the 1989 Eurobasket semifinal against Soviet Union, unfortunately it is blocked. Instead, here is a clip of Galis playing with Larry Bird in the 1979 NCAA All Star Game!

http://www.youtube.com/user/Skatastamoutrasas#p/u/2/PUdOiTjIcxo

My favourite Galis video is this, his passing skills:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0WksjIdObI

My favourite pass on the video at 23 secs.

 

[Darknemo20002]

Serbia dominated world basketball from 1995 to 2002 in unimaginable conditions from NATO bombing, economic crisis and so on. At the time we were a poor country (slightly better conditions now) with a population of 7 M. The referees respected us, they didn't help us. We deserved that respect as we shaped modern basketball the way you know it today. As you can see we are on the way to dominate again. Referees make mistakes, nothing you can do about it.

Most of the national teams are heavily influenced by the Serbian (ex Yugoslav) system established in the 60s. The Spanish team being the best example.

While Serbs had obviously a great team at that time it is pretty obvious that in 1995 Liths would have won the gold if refs would have been neutral.

Many people consider that final to be one of the greatest steals of all time (and not just Lithuanians) because how bad refs were and how clearly they supported Serbs (Yugoslavia). Its bit sad because that even overshadowed the great individual performance of Djordjevic back then.

 

[Srle2]

Please stop bitching we have beat you one year later at Olympic games again. There was no ref roberry in 1995 , simply Yugoslavian team was more talented and better all together

 

[Srle2]

I agree with point one.

Regarding point two, you must be right, since Gasol is a regular player. Only that he is tall and has been lucky to be in good teams.

You can't compare players from differen't era's with today players . If it wasn't for Divac,Kukoc ,Marčiulionis etc paving the way for Pau who knows what would his career look like today

 

[sseppel2]

You can't compare players from differen't era's with today players . If it wasn't for Divac,Kukoc ,Marčiulionis etc paving the way for Pau who knows what would his career look like today

2'15 m guy with many effective post moves, long arms, coordination, soft touch from 5 - 6 meters, outstanding passing ability, good dribling, above average speed for his size...

You can't argue this guy has the tools to succeed anywhen and anywhere. It's true I can't tell how Gasol's career would have been without those guys, but you can't neither. I mean, probably he could be a pioneer in the NBA or dominate Europe. But we all agree that basketball has developed a lot through years, especially when we talk about the physical abilities. And with Gasol being one of the top 3 european players nowadays, it just doesn't seem fair if you don't give him credit because other players paved the way for him.

 

[Kwijibo2]

-Dirk.

Pau had a taste of that vs GErmany in 2005

FAIL TROLLING Pau wasn't in 2005 with nt. Maybe next time you have more luck