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We Need Shooters

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There's absolutely no question that we would be needing a No. Of shooters in the national team but I think it would be a bunos if our shooters can also play decent defense. That is why I really highly regarded guys like Dondon Hontiveros & Marcio Lassiter. Those 2 shooting guards were/are not only decent 3-pt shooters but they were/are also pretty decent wing defenders.

This I say, I think Allan Caidic & Jeff Chan are/were excellent 3-point shooters during their respective stints in the national team. But those players were/not known for their defense.

The thing with shooters is that they are among the most inconsistent players. There will be those games where "maalat" yung laro ng shooter. If that happens, if that shooter is not a good defender, then he will be useless for the team at least in that game. But if your shooter happens to be a decent defender like a Hontiveros or a Lassiter, may silbi pa rin sya sa team even if he struggles with his shooting.
 
JAMSKIE said:
There's absolutely no question that we would be needing a No. Of shooters in the national team but I think it would be a bunos if our shooters can also play decent defense. That is why I really highly regarded guys like Dondon Hontiveros & Marcio Lassiter. Those 2 shooting guards were/are not only decent 3-pt shooters but they were/are also pretty decent wing defenders.

This I say, I think Allan Caidic & Jeff Chan are/were excellent 3-point shooters during their respective stints in the national team. But those players were/not known for their defense.

The thing with shooters is that they are among the most inconsistent players. There will be those games where "maalat" yung laro ng shooter. If that happens, if that shooter is not a good defender, then he will be useless for the team at least in that game. But if your shooter happens to be a decent defender like a Hontiveros or a Lassiter, may silbi pa rin sya sa team even if he struggles with his shooting.
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Yes, 3 and D guys are so valuable. Guys like Danny Green, PJ Tucker and Klay. Most champion teams always have them.

I think developing their type is not impossible. First, look for defensive-minded prospects with good length (Navarro, Tuffin, Mamuyac). Then train them in shooting. Thousands of shots a day, especially corner threes. Sometimes having someone with less skills (or raw) is advantageous, they will be more willing to just stand in the corner. If they have more skills, then they can play like Klay.

Once a player achieves the "shooter/laser" label on scouting reports, other teams will never leave you unguarded. So even if you're just standing in a corner and not making shots, then you've already done your job of spacing the floor.
 
JAMSKIE said:
There's absolutely no question that we would be needing a No. Of shooters in the national team but I think it would be a bunos if our shooters can also play decent defense. That is why I really highly regarded guys like Dondon Hontiveros & Marcio Lassiter. Those 2 shooting guards were/are not only decent 3-pt shooters but they were/are also pretty decent wing defenders.

This I say, I think Allan Caidic & Jeff Chan are/were excellent 3-point shooters during their respective stints in the national team. But those players were/not known for their defense.

The thing with shooters is that they are among the most inconsistent players. There will be those games where "maalat" yung laro ng shooter. If that happens, if that shooter is not a good defender, then he will be useless for the team at least in that game. But if your shooter happens to be a decent defender like a Hontiveros or a Lassiter, may silbi pa rin sya sa team even if he struggles with his shooting.
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Its not just the national team, the more shooters we have,the higher the level of competition in the country.
 
JAMSKIE said:
What school is he playing? Is that an NCAA div. 1 school?
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CSU Bakersfield D1. He's been first off the bench the last 2 games. Not the best situation though because the star of the team is another point guard who gets unli playing time and usage.
 
TheRodster21 said:
I looked up his stats and he’s averaging 40% on 1.3 attempts for a 4 game sample size. Probably better to see a whole season to see if has improved since he doesn’t seem to shoot 3s much and he has a poor career 3pt %.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4897653/dalph-panopio
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https://gorunners.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/dalph-panopio/7750

Like what I said, the minutes are trending up. Went from 20 to 33 minutes the last 2 games. Has to show an ability to play with their star pg. 63% 3 pt shooting for the season (5 games).
 
Isnt a shooter a designated player to hit open shots for certain plays or kickouts\bailouts?
can we first improve overall fg% 3fg% and ft% of the team then designate a shooter? A quick look at Fiba wc site and we shot less than 30% on 3s and low 70% on ft. Low 40% as well on fg%. If we can up all these 3 category by 2 percentage points, then we will only need 2 or 3 shooters and not a whole team. Of course, if we have the reaources to form a whole team of shooters that should be looked into as well.
 
C2Hamm said:
Isnt a shooter a designated player to hit open shots for certain plays or kickouts\bailouts?
can we first improve overall fg% 3fg% and ft% of the team then designate a shooter? A quick look at Fiba wc site and we shot less than 30% on 3s and low 70% on ft. Low 40% as well on fg%. If we can up all these 3 category by 2 percentage points, then we will only need 2 or 3 shooters and not a whole team. Of course, if we have the reaources to form a whole team of shooters that should be looked into as well.
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There is a big difference between a player who can shoot and a shooter. We need both types.

This does a pretty good job of articulating it...


We have historically been bad at shooting, and at this age of pace and space, we can no longer afford to not improve. So collectively, all our players need to improve. However, producing/developing true shooters is another matter. We would be lucky to come up with a few.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvGlbg1-GBY

This is a 3-pt shooting contest among the best shooters in the PBA during the 90's which included Allan Caidic, Jose Francisco & former Los Angeles Laker defense specialist Michael Cooper. I think Caidic beat Cooper in this contest. I think in a low level competition (I mean lower than the level of competition in the NBA & Europe), Caidic would have outshoot a Michael Cooper. But it does not mean Caidic would be more serviceable than Cooper in a high level competition like the NBA or Euroleague. That's becoz while Caidic may be the better shooter than Cooper, Caidic's defense will never be anywhere near that of Cooper. Of course another factor is size, Caidic being just 6-foot-2 while Cooper is 6-foot-7. Another aspect which favors Cooper is athleticism.

My point here is that it would be a big plus if our national team shooters are decent defenders & with good size (6-foot-4 to 6-foot-6 wingmen). A 6-foot-5 Marcio Lassiter or 6-5 Dondon Hontiveros would be a perfect wingman for Gilas.
 
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