We Need Shooters

[Metta2]

In another thread, I mentioned the need to identify and then develop young shooters. Preferably, shooters who can also defend. I believe we have a very promising batch in the 17-23 year old range so it's important that they include shooters.

Now let's start identifying prospects we should start developing into elite shooters.

On top for me is Mason Amos (19), then although a bit older Ken Tuffin. For the younger prospects, based on previous Batang Gilas performance, I will include Competente (18).

 

[TheRodster212]

In another thread, I mentioned the need to identify and then develop young shooters. Preferably, shooters who can also defend. I believe we have a very promising batch in the 17-23 year old range so it's important that they include shooters.

Now let's start identifying prospects we should start developing into elite shooters.

On top for me is Mason Amos (19), then although a bit older Ken Tuffin. For the younger prospects, based on previous Batang Gilas performance, I will include Competente (18).

Should also identify shooters that can translate internationally ie qualities like size, quick release, range

one of the problems I think local shooters have is their shooting in the pba doesn’t translate to FIBA especially worlds, they either have slower release or lack the size so it’s easier for defenders with length to close out on them

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Rhenz-Abando/Summary/200301
something I thought was interesting, Abando in the World Cup qualifiers and World Cup shot poorly from 3 compared to his fiba Asia stint

 

[Metta2]

Should also identify shooters that can translate internationally ie qualities like size, quick release, range

Yes that's why I like Amos (excellent shooting form + size) who shot well in his Gilas stint, and Competente in his Batang Gilas stint. Meanwhile, Tuffin played in the NBL.

Most important to become an elite shooter is repetition (so work ethic and a good shooting motion is key) and confidence. Also needed is a "shooter's mentality." Always looking to shoot as the number one option (Klay).

Plus of course age. We want shooters in that 17-23 range as building blocks.

 

[Kaireem2]

we have good shooters actually ... problem is they're only good when shooting against similar sized or smaller players

its one thing for lassiter or wright to get a shot off a pogoy or scottie yet it s a totally different ballgame when they have to shoot vs uber 6'5 athletes in the international stage

what gilas needs is a tall point guard or go to small forward that can suck in defenses and thus open up shooters

 

[hmbopbaduwap2]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...allan-caidic-a791-20230914?ref=feed_1_section

"Noong kasing panahon ko sa national team, plays were called for me. Sine-set up ako so I can get a good look at the basket, to put me in a position to make the shot," Caidic, a former PBA MVP and member of the league's 25 Greatest, said.

"So ako, alam ko kung kailan ako titira, at handang-handa ako." That is so unlike Gilas' shooters, Caidic said, adding, "Ngayon, depende kung malibre sila, then they take the shot. So mahirap. Parang emergency situations lang. So you're not ready (to shoot)"
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But pressed on what he felt was lacking in the team, Caidic said he would've preferred allotting the last few spots in the World Cup lineup to shooters rather than to players who more or less played the same way as the starters.

Off the top of his head, Caidic, who played in four Asian Games from 1986 to 1998, mentioned the names of Matthew Wright, Marcio Lassiter, Jordan Heading and Robert Bolick, who he said may not be a pure shooter but owns one of the best three-point shooting percentages while playing for the national team.
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[CoJ2]

too bad the current generation of kids (U15) would rather dribble drive and do fancy layups and cross over moves/eurostep, rather than work on their shooting.

change has to start at the youth/grassroots level.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...allan-caidic-a791-20230914?ref=feed_1_section

"Noong kasing panahon ko sa national team, plays were called for me. Sine-set up ako so I can get a good look at the basket, to put me in a position to make the shot," Caidic, a former PBA MVP and member of the league's 25 Greatest, said.

"So ako, alam ko kung kailan ako titira, at handang-handa ako." That is so unlike Gilas' shooters, Caidic said, adding, "Ngayon, depende kung malibre sila, then they take the shot. So mahirap. Parang emergency situations lang. So you're not ready (to shoot)"
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But pressed on what he felt was lacking in the team, Caidic said he would've preferred allotting the last few spots in the World Cup lineup to shooters rather than to players who more or less played the same way as the starters.

Off the top of his head, Caidic, who played in four Asian Games from 1986 to 1998, mentioned the names of Matthew Wright, Marcio Lassiter, Jordan Heading and Robert Bolick, who he said may not be a pure shooter but owns one of the best three-point shooting percentages while playing for the national team.
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We could have really used those 4 guys last WC. Heading was injured but the other guys weren't even invited to the pool.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

We could have really used those 4 guys last WC. Heading was injured but the other guys weren't even invited to the pool.

Lassiter should have been invited. U got a good 3-pt shooter & a decent wing defender with Lassiter. Matt Wright has been a disappointment with his Gilas stint. Nag iiba ang tira nya when faced with taller wing defenders.

Even in the Asian Games-bound Gilas team, I would love Lassiter to be there.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

Lassiter should have been invited. U got a good 3-pt shooter & a decent wing defender with Lassiter. Matt Wright has been a disappointment with his Gilas stint. Nag iiba ang tira nya when faced with taller wing defenders.

Even in the Asian Games-bound Gilas team, I would love Lassiter to be there.

Agree with Wright haha. Dinadaga talaga and plays hot potato with the ball unlike. But my point is you have to invite these players at least. My guess is they didn't smooth things out with the PBA regarding their move to the Bleague unlike Heading and Parks etc

 

[Gh@strider2]

too bad the current generation of kids (U15) would rather dribble drive and do fancy layups and cross over moves/eurostep, rather than work on their shooting.

change has to start at the youth/grassroots level.

Change has to start at the coaching level. We have young shooters, the problem is club team coaches like those in the MPBL, prefer slashers who have fancy moves and who can draw a following. Shooters are plain vanilla and don't bring crowds to watch games. Same way a Paul Alvarez or a Samboy Lim type would always overshadow shooters like Allan Caidic.

 

[C2Hamm2]

something I thought was interesting, Abando in the World Cup qualifiers and World Cup shot poorly from 3 compared to his fiba Asia stint

What is abandos splits in kbl and wc?

My hesitation with him is, if you remove the blocks, he doesnt really look like a good defender.
I like the 3s and energy but other than thats he is mostly highlight dunks and blocks. So, if his average on 3s good, no problem. But if its good but in low volume, should we then test tuffin and/or cabanero?

 

[Metta2]

I'd like the list to become much younger (seeing the ages of these pba draftees is disheartening). Like I mentioned Amos, Competente and then we can add Konov and Cabanero to the list.

Playing position is now irrelevant because shooting is now required from each position.

Their coaches moving forward will also matter a lot because getting the "green light" trust from coaches is important for shooters. Also important is the team play-style.

 

[TheRodster212]

What is abandos splits in kbl and wc?

My hesitation with him is, if you remove the blocks, he doesnt really look like a good defender.
I like the 3s and energy but other than thats he is mostly highlight dunks and blocks. So, if his average on 3s good, no problem. But if its good but in low volume, should we then test tuffin and/or cabanero?

Anyang KGC

Averaged 2.08 3pt attempts per game

Shooting splits = 47/36/74
TS = 57%

World Cup

Averaged 2.6 3pt attempts per game

Shooting splits = 46/23/50
TS = 53%

 

[ARMIR2]

Agree with Wright haha. Dinadaga talaga and plays hot potato with the ball unlike. But my point is you have to invite these players at least. My guess is they didn't smooth things out with the PBA regarding their move to the Bleague unlike Heading and Parks etc

Whenever Wright faced a taller more athletic player,he just wilt like a flower,he either just stop shooting or misses tough shots that he can easily do in the PBA or SEA GAMES level players.

 

[TheRodster212]

Whenever Wright faced a taller more athletic player,he just wilt like a flower,he either just stop shooting or misses tough shots that he can easily do in the PBA or SEA GAMES level players.

Slower release on shots makes it easier to contest.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

For tall Shooter

Are you buying 6'7-6'8 Fil Russian Alex Konov as a Wing Shooter? Or he is more of a Stretch Big?

I think if used correctly, he can be a Tall Wing 3pt specialist for us

 

[C2Hamm2]

For tall Shooter

Are you buying 6'7-6'8 Fil Russian Alex Konov as a Wing Shooter? Or he is more of a Stretch Big?

I think if used correctly, he can be a Tall Wing 3pt specialist for us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRx5jhvCNcM

outside of 2 dribbles to get away from close outs he cant put the rock on the floor to attack the defense. mostly set shots and occasional putbacks. i like that he puts efforts to run during fastbreak though.

 

[Metta2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRx5jhvCNcM

outside of 2 dribbles to get away from close outs he cant put the rock on the floor to attack the defense. mostly set shots and occasional putbacks. i like that he puts efforts to run during fastbreak though.

I like his shooting form to go with his length.

Like Caidic said in his article, he was more of the "set plays" type of shooter. This is how to utilize shooters lacking in handles.

Konov runs/moves well and looks competitive (may angas) so I see his potential in moving without the ball to get open. Youth is also on his side so lots of development time.

And for a "pure shooter," that one or two dribble after a close out then doing a pull up, can already be enough of a lethal arsenal. Klay is hard to stop being that type of player.

 

[C2Hamm2]

I like his shooting form to go with his length.

Like Caidic said in his article, he was more of the "set plays" type of shooter. This is how to utilize shooters lacking in handles.

Konov runs/moves well and looks competitive (may angas) so I see his potential in moving without the ball to get open. Youth is also on his side so lots of development time.

And for a "pure shooter," that one or two dribble after a close out then doing a pull up, can already be enough of a lethal arsenal. Klay is hard to stop being that type of player.

im not too worried with this kid. it's all up to the coach. if they use Konov for pick n pops, hi\lo, or even for kickouts, he would be a great addition because on top of his shooting, he adds rebounding. but if, whoever the coach would be when he is ripe for the main Gilas team, he used like how Wright was used. meaning, given the ball to create, he might now be the one we want. id rather have him than porter or mahmoud though. none of those 3 can be 5s and most likely not be used as wings either. we have too many dynamic wings to choose from that these 3 will be used mostly as stretch big and only Konov has decent height. 6'5 porter and mahmoud wont scare anyone in the international scene past SEA region.

 

[Metta2]

we have good shooters actually ... problem is they're only good when shooting against similar sized or smaller players

its one thing for lassiter or wright to get a shot off a pogoy or scottie yet it s a totally different ballgame when they have to shoot vs uber 6'5 athletes in the international stage

what gilas needs is a tall point guard or go to small forward that can suck in defenses and thus open up shooters

That's why I keep reiterating, shooting is all about repetition and confidence.

Those 5-foot-nothing guards of Japan never lost their confidence. If they had to shoot 10 foot from the 3pt line to have an open shot, they did so without hesitation. Length becomes a non-factor, these are all grown-ass men and they all have the strength to jack it up from there if needed. Confidence.

Confidence is tricky though, you partly gain it by knowing you've put in the time (hundreds/thousands of shots a day) and by getting the green light from the coach. Every team should have at least one guy that the coach gives the total green light to, that's how you develop elite shooters.