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UAAP season 87

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Aside from a few head cases most of them take their studies seriously. And they integrate themselves well with the local culture too unlike some fil-foreign snobs who don't even bother to learn some basic local words. Probably because most of them don't have any pro bball career to fall back on. Many end up getting a regular 9-5 jobs and play as hugot on the sides.

It's all about the family.

The athletes who treat academics seriously usually have families/parents who teach the value of education. FIlams usually come from immigrant families, asians who always have to work harder than americans. It gets ingrained in the kids.

Then of course you have absentee parents. Or you have parents who themselves did not really get into higher education, so the kids are figuring things out by themselves.
 
taeneo? stop it .... hello norman penola! ryan buenafe had better study habits than taeneo's filfors(kirk long doesn't count though ... thanks to faith academy)

Yes that was a decade ago. The players I know now are built different.

Dang, I wasn't paying attention to the name of the poster.

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Yes that was a decade ago. The players I know now are built different.

Dang, I wasn't paying attention to the name of the poster.

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good for them, i'm sure tab had a lot to do with that, no more ryan buenafes and al hussainis in da haus
 
It's all about the family.

The athletes who treat academics seriously usually have families/parents who teach the value of education. FIlams usually come from immigrant families, asians who always have to work harder than americans. It gets ingrained in the kids.

Then of course you have absentee parents. Or you have parents who themselves did not really get into higher education, so the kids are figuring things out by themselves.

geez talk about hubris, patronizing people about their parenting habits? stop it! taenean education in full display here. man for others? lol since when?
 
geez talk about hubris, patronizing people about their parenting habits? stop it! taenean education in full display here. man for others? lol since when?

I'm not from admu. And I'm talking from years of coaching and being around youth players.

Athletes with supportive families who know what they're doing have a leg up. I personally know the Hinton brothers who play for Taiwan. One goes to Cornell while the younger one is going to Harvard. From the very start, everything they did was goal-oriented in terms of basketball-academics.

Ivy league ballers bro.
 
I sort of believed Ateneo way back when they suspended Thirdy for an entire season due to his grades (or lack thereof).

I'll go one further and say anyone who's ever called basketball a "career" even before signing a pro contract is a dumbass, it's just that it doesn't hurt to be earning six digits a month until they realize they can't do it past their mid-30's and can't also figure out what to do next because they haven't saved enough or spent too much. Not everyone will be cut out for politics or get Kris Aquino-like marital settlements. This is why I admire the Willie Wilsons of the world, living off minimum PBA contracts but having the hustle to support their families through SME's and sideline gigs such as TV.
 
I sort of believed Ateneo way back when they suspended Thirdy for an entire season due to his grades (or lack thereof).

I'll go one further and say anyone who's ever called basketball a "career" even before signing a pro contract is a dumbass, it's just that it doesn't hurt to be earning six digits a month until they realize they can't do it past their mid-30's and can't also figure out what to do next because they haven't saved enough or spent too much. Not everyone will be cut out for politics or get Kris Aquino-like marital settlements. This is why I admire the Willie Wilsons of the world, living off minimum PBA contracts but having the hustle to support their families through SME's and sideline gigs such as TV.

This goes back to my point about having a family that know what they're doing.

These are kids and unless there is someone guiding them and making them realize the fact you just mentioned, they will live in the moment and not care about something many years away.

It can be family or it can be a mentor, but it's important to have someone they listen to guide them.
 
This goes back to my point about having a family that know what they're doing.

These are kids and unless there is someone guiding them and making them realize the fact you just mentioned, they will live in the moment and not care about something many years away.

It can be family or it can be a mentor, but it's important to have someone they listen to guide them.

If someone were to breakdown college players into tiers… there are sure pros, borderline pros, and glorified karpinteros. The sure pros will make a living off basketball once they graduate and everything else stems from their connections built during their playing years. The borderline pros will have to worry about an actual career after college if they don’t stay in the league long enough to save for their early retirement, and I’m pretty sure there’s a long list of “where are they now” college players with nice stories to tell that didn’t even make it to the PBA but will probably murder us in a game of limahan or tatluhan.
 
If someone were to breakdown college players into tiers… there are sure pros, borderline pros, and glorified karpinteros. The sure pros will make a living off basketball once they graduate and everything else stems from their connections built during their playing years. The borderline pros will have to worry about an actual career after college if they don’t stay in the league long enough to save for their early retirement, and I’m pretty sure there’s a long list of “where are they now” college players with nice stories to tell that didn’t even make it to the PBA but will probably murder us in a game of limahan or tatluhan.

Most people do not comprehend Levels.

On the subject of tiers, it's crazy that the whole UP lineup is in tier one. And there's that other element, the biggest schools who have weightier diplomas also end up with a lot of the tier 1 and 2 players. The best players end up with also the best fallback (if they work for it). Majority of the lower tier players are in smaller schools whose diplomas aren't exactly in demand and they still do not take academics seriously.
 
Most people do not comprehend Levels.

On the subject of tiers, it's crazy that the whole UP lineup is in tier one. And there's that other element, the biggest schools who have weightier diplomas also end up with a lot of the tier 1 and 2 players. The best players end up with also the best fallback (if they work for it). Majority of the lower tier players are in smaller schools whose diplomas aren't exactly in demand and they still do not take academics seriously.

damn the hubris, who cares its still a 3rd world diploma
 
Most people do not comprehend Levels.

On the subject of tiers, it's crazy that the whole UP lineup is in tier one. And there's that other element, the biggest schools who have weightier diplomas also end up with a lot of the tier 1 and 2 players. The best players end up with also the best fallback (if they work for it). Majority of the lower tier players are in smaller schools whose diplomas aren't exactly in demand and they still do not take academics seriously.

You think guys like Cyril Gonzales, Reyland Torres can make a living off basketball? I disagree that everyone in that UP team is Tier One. Some of them are in Tier Two by your definition.
 
You think guys like Cyril Gonzales, Reyland Torres can make a living off basketball? I disagree that everyone in that UP team is Tier One. Some of them are in Tier Two by your definition.

No one knows til they actually complete a full season. For all we know, Jared Bahay might be the next Jerie Pinggoy or Mac Tallo (at best). Even if they do, there are no guarantees. Simon Atkins, Eric Salamat... great college players, did anyone of them last long in the pros?
 
No one knows til they actually complete a full season. For all we know, Jared Bahay might be the next Jerie Pinggoy or Mac Tallo (at best). Even if they do, there are no guarantees. Simon Atkins, Eric Salamat... great college players, did anyone of them last long in the pros?

Atkins surprised me by being decent in his first few seasons. Same with Monfort. While guys like Buenafe disappointed
 
damn the hubris, who cares its still a 3rd world diploma

harsh but true, country’s top 4 university could barely crack the top 200 world university rankings

back to topic, if you are a blue chipper projected to nake it to the pba, might as well go to a school that will give you all the playing time you need to be showcased to scouts
 
Most people do not comprehend Levels.

On the subject of tiers, it's crazy that the whole UP lineup is in tier one. And there's that other element, the biggest schools who have weightier diplomas also end up with a lot of the tier 1 and 2 players. The best players end up with also the best fallback (if they work for it). Majority of the lower tier players are in smaller schools whose diplomas aren't exactly in demand and they still do not take academics seriously.

I don't think you can just get any UP course even if you are an athlete. Yes, you can get a UP diploma but IRC that is specific to Human Kinetics college. I think the rare guy like Manuel, actually passed the UPCAT and was accepted into the College of Engineering by virtue of his exam scores. I don't think being an athlete entitles you to the "nicer" looking courses. Ateneo might even have a more varied offerings for athletes but no special treatment.
 
I don't think you can just get any UP course even if you are an athlete. Yes, you can get a UP diploma but IRC that is specific to Human Kinetics college. I think the rare guy like Manuel, actually passed the UPCAT and was accepted into the College of Engineering by virtue of his exam scores. I don't think being an athlete entitles you to the "nicer" looking courses. Ateneo might even have a more varied offerings for athletes but no special treatment.

Back in my time with ateneo high, that was during the 5 peat era, most of those in the srs team go with a course called ab interdisciplinary studies, where course takers can choose their own disciplines they want to take up, rarely did we see guys taking up other courses.
 
harsh but true, country’s top 4 university could barely crack the top 200 world university rankings

back to topic, if you are a blue chipper projected to nake it to the pba, might as well go to a school that will give you all the playing time you need to be showcased to scouts

Having been a fan of this since the late 90's, I can tell that the window (or the proverbial "butas ng karayum") gets smaller as a prospect's height goes. Being 6'6 and above means fewer competition. Maybe being a Fil-Am/Fil-Foreigner makes them taller/more athletic, maybe coming from a winning program helps, maybe balling out in the PBA D-League helps more... ultimately you're looking at maybe 50-ish recruits a year, including the NCAA, playing for 20-ish roster spots in 4 or 5 years time (depending how many PBA players are given contract extensions)... then they gotta compete against college one-and-dones, Fil-Ams out of nowhere, and pretty soon B.League/KBL players looking to come home.
 
You think guys like Cyril Gonzales, Reyland Torres can make a living off basketball? I disagree that everyone in that UP team is Tier One. Some of them are in Tier Two by your definition.

Yes I do. Those two guys are very tough, are good defenders and can shoot. I see them as useful pba role-players at least, Torres maybe higher.
 
harsh but true, country’s top 4 university could barely crack the top 200 world university rankings

We're talking locally, and being from those top 4 still gives its graduates a leg up.

For those who want to work internationally, there is a hack. After graduating, work locally first. Get into a big multinational company (which is actually easier to do here if you're from the big 4) try to level up and gain some experience. Once you've built your resume, that's when you seek international employment. Diplomas really only matter to your first few jobs.

So many Pinoys who went this route work for bigger companies and have higher positions than Filams who graduated from the States.
 
We're talking locally, and being from those top 4 still gives its graduates a leg up.

For those who want to work internationally, there is a hack. After graduating, work locally first. Get into a big multinational company (which is actually easier to do here if you're from the big 4) try to level up and gain some experience. Once you've built your resume, that's when you seek international employment. Diplomas really only matter to your first few jobs.

So many Pinoys who went this route work for bigger companies and have higher positions than Filams who graduated from the States.

point taken, most of these players wont make ot to any pro leagues anyway might as well invest in their future (i.e. jet manuel as a licensed engineer, fortuna as a pilot, adornado’s son, perennial admu team b now licensed MD)

plus perhaps the reason why i got a stable job in the 1st place is due to me attending 3 out of the 4.
 
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