UAAP season 87

[GameChanger07042]

Add UST to Emman Galman's campus tour. If it pushes through, how many playing years does he have left?

 

[DrainBamager6052]

pre vs bahay race is tight AF. there's a chance that their round 2 match will be a non-bearing game, if that's the case I hope they let the top 4 rookies play loose lol.

 

[cha342]

Watched that same game against CEU.

I'll compare Sarmiento to Raven Gonzales, and that is probably his ceiling too. He is just too lanky to defend bigger FSAs (just like Raven), but he does have a promising shooting touch. If Raven is still with DLSU in Season 88 (I think he is close to graduating from college), then Sarmiento could be the replacement. Otherwise even if he is lined up in Season 88, he will barely get minutes.

Baclaan and Cortez, nothing new to say. They're good and will more than make-up for the Remogat (with Gemao?) UP backcourt in Season 88. I prefer Cortez personally as he tends to be more mature in decision making.

Amos still needs to improve his defense. Otherwise, nothing new to note either.

I actually liked Buenaventura's game more than Ogana's.

Pablo I agree is the one who seems to not have a role yet. If he can make himself be useful ala Belmonte or Torculas of UP, then that will be enough. He just won't be the main man on any team (not just DLSU) given his skills right now.

You know my first instinct was to liken Dom to Raven but the more I think about it: the similarities end at theyre both tall and lanky. Raven's got great shot blocking skills and while his touch is there, he's more of a push shot / floaters type of guy than jumpshot type of guy. He can hit 3s but he doesn't take a lot of them.

While Dom is still trying to figure out the defensive schemes and positioning he is nowhere near the shot blocker that Raven was coming out of HS. CEU guards kept coming at him at the rim. lol

Right now, Dom is all upside but the production is simply not there yet.

Ogana had an off night. His last game he had like 20. JB is solid. A lefty that knows how to play. With added confidence and a jumpshot, he'll be good. It's hard to say he'll play like this against UAAP Srs but if he does, I already like him way better than Rubico, who's just a pain to see.

 

[OverratedTabBaldwin2]

It's pretty crazy to think that you need an import-level FSA to at least contend for a chip in today's UAAP whereas just 20 years ago, a player of the caliber of Sam Ekwe will make your team almost unbeatable. I know Ekwe played for Beda but UAAP teams back them struggled to contain him when UAAP and NCAA teams played each other.

To contend in today's UAAP, a team needs at least one Asian import-level local (KQ, Tamayo, Belangel, etc.) and one import level FSA (Kouame, Diouf, etc). A tall but unskilled African FSA won't cut it anymore.

 

[Crustacean2]

It's pretty crazy to think that you need an import-level FSA to at least contend for a chip in today's UAAP whereas just 20 years ago, a player of the caliber of Sam Ekwe will make your team almost unbeatable. I know Ekwe played for Beda but UAAP teams back them struggled to contain him when UAAP and NCAA teams played each other.

To contend in today's UAAP, a team needs at least one Asian import-level local (KQ, Tamayo, Belangel, etc.) and one import level FSA (Kouame, Diouf, etc). A tall but unskilled African FSA won't cut it anymore.

Do you mean one import-level local OR one import level FSA?

Because last year, DLSU won the whole thing with a below average FSA. And if either DLSU or UP win this year, both those teams have FSAs who are not dominant either.

 

[Sikatrix2]

It's pretty crazy to think that you need an import-level FSA to at least contend for a chip in today's UAAP whereas just 20 years ago, a player of the caliber of Sam Ekwe will make your team almost unbeatable. I know Ekwe played for Beda but UAAP teams back them struggled to contain him when UAAP and NCAA teams played each other.

To contend in today's UAAP, a team needs at least one Asian import-level local (KQ, Tamayo, Belangel, etc.) and one import level FSA (Kouame, Diouf, etc). A tall but unskilled African FSA won't cut it anymore.

Wrong season to make this argument considering UP and DLU's FSAs.

 

[cha342]

pre vs bahay race is tight AF. there's a chance that their round 2 match will be a non-bearing game, if that's the case I hope they let the top 4 rookies play loose lol.

I got my money on Pre to win it and I love Jared.

One main reason: Pre just earned Sean's trust to green light and with his talent, he'll take and make more shots. Contrast that to Bahay, who is steadily improving, has been the main guy since the start but has yet to produce consistently.

Add that there's lots of threats for FEU (none outside of Tuano for Ateneo) and defenses will just load up on Bahay.

 

[dubidub2]

I got my money on Pre to win it and I love Jared.

One main reason: Pre just earned Sean's trust to green light and with his talent, he'll take and make more shots. Contrast that to Bahay, who is steadily improving, has been the main guy since the start but has yet to produce consistently.

Add that there's lots of threats for FEU (none outside of Tuano for Ateneo) and defenses will just load up on Bahay.

tbf, didn't the UAAP adjust the way they computed their SPs to favor guards. that's how padrigao became 2nd place in the MVP race during s85. if the uaap stuck to their old way of computing, pre would probably be leading the ROY race by a mile.

 

[Rds2]

Wrong season to make this argument considering UP and DLU's FSAs.

But UP and DLSU have centers that can compete in international levels (Millora-Brown, Phillips). Well at least defensively, in the case of Mike Phillips. UE has arguably the most skilled FSA in the league. And they play him with minimal break in order to compete. So I think the original contention is still true. The competition level in the UAAP now is simply off the charts.

 

[cha342]

tbf, didn't the UAAP adjust the way they computed their SPs to favor guards. that's how padrigao became 2nd place in the MVP race during s85. if the uaap stuck to their old way of computing, pre would probably be leading the ROY race by a mile.

They did but even after Bahay's breakout game, the latest calculations has Pre ahead of him by slight margin.

 

[Rds2]

They did but even after Bahay's breakout game, the latest calculations has Pre ahead of him by slight margin.

IRC. Traditional guard stats, assists and steals, got a weight boost. This was so local guards would have some help, statswise, against the FSA bigs. Diouf IRC was able to counter it by getting a bunch of assists and steals as well.

 

[Crustacean2]

But UP and DLSU have centers that can compete in international levels (Millora-Brown, Phillips). Well at least defensively, in the case of Mike Phillips. UE has arguably the most skilled FSA in the league. And they play him with minimal break in order to compete. So I think the original contention is still true. The competition level in the UAAP now is simply off the charts.

The original contention is that you need BOTH a dominant FSA and an international level local, not one or the other. So I also think it’s not a correct premise anymore.

I personally think you need one of those (whom I will call the main guy), AND a roster that complements the main guy composed mostly of guys whose do not necessarily need to have the ball in their hands (or to score) to be effective. This is why DLSU won last year, and why Ateneo won in Season 85.

 

[Tuck2]

tbf, didn't the UAAP adjust the way they computed their SPs to favor guards. that's how padrigao became 2nd place in the MVP race during s85. if the uaap stuck to their old way of computing, pre would probably be leading the ROY race by a mile.

it was a fair adjustment as there’s much more rebounds than assists in the uaap game. It’s a lot harder to put up a lot of assists numbers compared to reb

 

[OverratedTabBaldwin2]

Do you mean one import-level local OR one import level FSA?

Because last year, DLSU won the whole thing with a below average FSA. And if either DLSU or UP win this year, both those teams have FSAs who are not dominant either.

I didn't say "win" the UAAP championship, I said "contend". Both UP and La Salle contended for the chip last year.

 

[Rds2]

The original contention is that you need BOTH a dominant FSA and an international level local, not one or the other. So I also think it’s not a correct premise anymore.

I personally think you need one of those (whom I will call the main guy), AND a roster that complements the main guy composed mostly of guys whose do not necessarily need to have the ball in their hands (or to score) to be effective. This is why DLSU won last year, and why Ateneo won in Season 85.

You could argue that Millora-Brown and Mike Phillips (defensively) are international level bigs. So my contention is you still need an international level big. It would be hard for La Salle to win without Mike Phillips same with UP without Millora-Brown,.

 

[dubidub2]

it was a fair adjustment as there’s much more rebounds than assists in the uaap game. It’s a lot harder to put up a lot of assists numbers compared to reb

I guess you are correct. However, another nitpick i have is that shooting efficiency is not part of the equation.

 

[EvanNelle242]

Man, Taane Samuel would have thrived in this current iteration of La Salle.

 

[cha342]

You could argue that Millora-Brown and Mike Phillips (defensively) are international level bigs. So my contention is you still need an international level big. It would be hard for La Salle to win without Mike Phillips same with UP without Millora-Brown,.

I agree that Mike and Q are special international level talent. Although I will say that DLSU boasts the best collection of locals bigs with KQ and Raven. I don't think anyone outside of a solid group of players from NU can compete especially that Tamayo is no longer in the UAAP.

 

[cha342]

I guess you are correct. However, another nitpick i have is that shooting efficiency is not part of the equation.

This has been my number gripe with locals for years. They have horrid shooting FG%. Adding this to the mix will hopefully get them more conscious of the shots they take.

 

[Silent Killer2]

80-78 win by UE red warriors over Tiger Cubs to remain perfect in JHS competition

gab delos reyes with double double with 10 pts 12 rebounds and 5 blocks including a block over canapi