UAAP season 87

[Sikatrix2]

UP and DLSU fans trashtalking Ateneo attendance during the rivalry game. But DLSU has never been 7-8th place, I think recently theyve been 6th at worst. If they were Id guess they'd have a similar attendace. While UP's attendance during the dark days was basically non existent as well.

 

[Sikatrix2]

Caught some DLSU team B action.

Ogana really is impressive. He reminds me of an Emman Galman. He can score. Wish he can work on his shooting tho. Thats the only he can make team A. Whoever is handling this kid needs to advise him to work on his 3s.

Dom Sarmiento is your typical skinny tall dude. Unfortunately he doesn't have the "fight" in him to make up for his lack of weight either. He's a finesse player. He needs to add weight and be more confident in his shot too. He has a good shooting touch that's frankly underutilized.

Ogana is a wannabe Scottie Thompson, loves playing below the rim. Ruins spacing since Mike/Henry/Raven cant really shoot. But I think he can fit with Mason at 4 but not Luis since Luis also cant shoot.

 

[cha342]

UP and DLSU fans trashtalking Ateneo attendance during the rivalry game. But DLSU has never been 7-8th place, I think recently theyve been 6th at worst. If they were Id guess they'd have a similar attendace. While UP's attendance during the dark days was basically non existent as well.

You really think a difference between 6th and 7th place is the reason why DLSU fans choose to support them? Last I checked it's the final 4 not the final 6.

DLSU has always had high expectations given their recruits and despite playing way below expectations, the DLSU side always remained filled.

 

[mrjumbo032]

UP and DLSU fans trashtalking Ateneo attendance during the rivalry game. But DLSU has never been 7-8th place, I think recently theyve been 6th at worst. If they were Id guess they'd have a similar attendace. While UP's attendance during the dark days was basically non existent as well.

Compounding Ateneo's poor record, the venue being at MOA (heavy traffic) plus the late start times also has an effect on Ateneo fans' attendance. I was there last Saturday, and the game ended around 9pm. There was traffic even in the parking.

 

[mrjumbo032]

You really think a difference between 6th and 7th place is the reason why DLSU fans choose to support them? DLSU has always had high expectations given their recruits and despite playing way below expectations, the DLSU side always remained filled.

During the 5-peat years (when DLSU was not so good), Ateneo fans outnumbered DLSU fans in games held in Araneta.

 

[Sikatrix2]

You really think a difference between 6th and 7th place is the reason why DLSU fans choose to support them? Last I checked it's the final 4 not the final 6.

DLSU has always had high expectations given their recruits and despite playing way below expectations, the DLSU side always remained filled.

Its a hypothetical but I believe if DLSU is 1-6 in the first round vs a 1 loss Ateneo side then the attendance would be similar. The hardcore patron Atenistas where in attendance but everywhere else was a mess.

 

[cha342]

During the 5-peat years (when DLSU was not so good), Ateneo fans outnumbered DLSU fans in games held in Araneta.

Outnumbered but never did the fans abandon them. Have you seen the attendance last game? It was 9K+ and the overwhelming majority of them were wearing green.

 

[Money2]

KQ was this close to joining UP. But because there was a little problem that happened in NU, he decided to go to DLSU instead. Just imagine what would have happened with him in UP.

If i remember it correctly it was a disagreement between sponsorship. As Freego used to back up coach Gold even during his Chiang Kai Shek days. When they hired (NU seniors) coach Gold they thought that they would only be hiring him not knowing his loyalty is with Freego.

 

[cha342]

If i remember it correctly it was a disagreement between sponsorship. As Freego used to back up coach Gold even during his Chiang Kai Shek days. When they hired (NU seniors) coach Gold they thought that they would only be hiring him not knowing his loyalty is with Freego.

Wow. Imagine if that didnt happen then that would mean NU would have had Nash, Carl, Terrence, and KQ.

NU is extremely underrated in terms of building grassroots program. This is the same school that formed Belen, Solomon and co from Jrs to Srs.

 

[Crustacean2]

Wow. Imagine if that didnt happen then that would mean NU would have had Nash, Carl, Terrence, and KQ.

NU is extremely underrated in terms of building grassroots program. This is the same school that formed Belen, Solomon and co from Jrs to Srs.

NU recruits even for its HS programs. It's not as if these players started schooling in NU at a young age. They were recruited to transfer to Nazareth School. Tamayo actually came from Adamson HS and was actually ROY his first year playing in the UAAP juniors. Even Quiambao, Alarcon, Abadiano spent their first year/s of HS in other schools before transferring to NU.

They do the same thing in their women's volleyball team. Alyssa Solomon was a transferree from Perpetual Help.

I wouldn't exactly consider that grassroots if NU acquired these players when they were already well developed stars.

 

[mrjumbo032]

Outnumbered but never did the fans abandon them. Have you seen the attendance last game? It was 9K+ and the overwhelming majority of them were wearing green.

Yes, as I said I was there last Saturday (Upper Box was almost empty). And I can also tell you that back then, an overwhelming majority of them were wearing blue (I'd say around 70-30 split easily). I'm not invalidating your point, but to say that Ateneo fans abandoned the team now, while DLSU fans in the down years did not, is being quite selective. At the end of the day, not all fans are made equal. Some are diehards, some just go to the games when the team is winning, some go with their families for quality time etc. In any team sporting event (for entertainment), you can be sure that winning correlates to having more fans.

 

[mrjumbo032]

NU recruits even for its HS programs. It's not as if these players started schooling in NU at a young age. They were recruited to transfer to Nazareth School. Tamayo actually came from Adamson HS and was actually ROY his first year playing in the UAAP juniors. Even Quiambao, Alarcon, Abadiano spent their first year/s of HS in other schools before transferring to NU.

They do the same thing in their women's volleyball team. Alyssa Solomon was a transferree from Perpetual Help.

I wouldn't exactly consider that grassroots if NU acquired these players when they were already well developed stars.

Coach Gold had a loaded Adamson Juniors team back then. Take a look at this team, and see if you can count how many went on to play college ball -

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That season, Adamson was running roughshod over the competition in the UAAP. But someone from an opposing team found out about questionable credentials of one of ADU's star players, and reported it to the board. He was deemed ineligible and all of ADU's wins were deemed forfeited. IIRC, that someone from an opposing team was then-NU Bullpups Head Coach Jeff Napa and the star player was former DLSU player Encho Serrano. Fast forward to that very offseason, ADU let go of Coach Gold because of the scandal, and NU proceeds to pick him up for their juniors team. Ironically, Jeff Napa "lost" his head coach position because he reported his eventual replacement. Coach Gold's players who still had eligibility transferred to NU with him (Padrigao transferred to , those who didn't have transferred to Coach Gold's other team, Chiang Kai Shek.

 

[Sikatrix2]

Yes, as I said I was there last Saturday (Upper Box was almost empty). And I can also tell you that back then, an overwhelming majority of them were wearing blue (I'd say around 70-30 split easily). I'm not invalidating your point, but to say that Ateneo fans abandoned the team now, while DLSU fans in the down years did not, is being quite selective. At the end of the day, not all fans are made equal. Some are diehards, some just go to the games when the team is winning, some go with their families for quality time etc. In any team sporting event (for entertainment), you can be sure that winning correlates to having more fans.

UP is the biggest example of winning=fans. Im sure some of them are hardcore but Id guess a lot are acting as if they are hardcore when they were missing during those cellar years. And can we really blame them for not attending? A lot of the "star" players werent even PBA quality and youd spend your precious time on a loss. Sure its fair to call them out on hypocrisy but its hard to judge what happens if the shoe on the other foot.

 

[Money2]

Wow. Imagine if that didnt happen then that would mean NU would have had Nash, Carl, Terrence, and KQ.

NU is extremely underrated in terms of building grassroots program. This is the same school that formed Belen, Solomon and co from Jrs to Srs.

He even has Jojo Antiporda. Jason Celis and EJ Agbong who all transferred to Chiang Kai Shek.

He also recruited Migz Oczon, RJ Minerva, Jonas Tibayan, Shannon and Seven Gagate, John Galinato.

so talk about pipeline of recruits.

 

[gospursgo2]

He even has Jojo Antiporda. Jason Celis and EJ Agbong who all transferred to Chiang Kai Shek.

He also recruited Migz Oczon, RJ Minerva, Jonas Tibayan, Shannon and Seven Gagate, John Galinato.

so talk about pipeline of recruits.

Boy was that adamson baby falcons team loaded. Besides the aformentioned names already they also had future baste mainstays alex desoyo and jessie sumoda, steven flores who had a stint with perpetual and allan beltran who played for ue. Even their pasarelle team had future uaap/ncaa talent: nicole quinal (eac), jeff mailim (letran/arellano) and a young aaron buensalida (dlsu/letran).

 

[Crustacean2]

Coach Gold had a loaded Adamson Juniors team back then. Take a look at this team, and see if you can count how many went on to play college ball -

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That season, Adamson was running roughshod over the competition in the UAAP. But someone from an opposing team found out about questionable credentials of one of ADU's star players, and reported it to the board. He was deemed ineligible and all of ADU's wins were deemed forfeited. IIRC, that someone from an opposing team was then-NU Bullpups Head Coach Jeff Napa and the star player was former DLSU player Encho Serrano. Fast forward to that very offseason, ADU let go of Coach Gold because of the scandal, and NU proceeds to pick him up for their juniors team. Ironically, Jeff Napa "lost" his head coach position because he reported his eventual replacement. Coach Gold's players who still had eligibility transferred to NU with him (Padrigao transferred to , those who didn't have transferred to Coach Gold's other team, Chiang Kai Shek.

You can feel these players’ loyalty is to Goldwyn and not really the school they play for. Goes both ways since Goldwyn also favors his “boys” (see last year’s Game 3 where he inexplicably chose to go with Felicilda and Abadiano over Cagulangan and Cansino).

Will be interesting to see how UP team will look like once his NU boys start leaving.

 

[Tuck2]

With all that said, the hardest thing for DLSU—or any team, for that matter—to find is a player as dominant as Mike Phillips.

Amos is a mythical level 5 type of talent, but he doesn’t impact the game like Mike. No one does except for QMB. Not only can Mike fill up the stat sheet, but he also boosts the team’s morale with his energy. Watching him play with such intensity in limited minutes against Ateneo shows that when the game slows down and others start to play haphazardly, he’ll still be going at 100% and outworking everyone on the floor.​

Calling it now: Mike is bound to capture a MVP next year.

he has the talent to win but he right now can only play one position . They tried to get away with him playing some 4 but it’s been mostly mehh. They are gonna try to use Raven, Henry and the new guys more next year. He might not have the minutes to win it because Raven is too slow to defend any other position and has no range. Aguanne and Sarmiento . His best bet is Pablo but he can’t really shoot . Amos should be fine as a 4 but in admu he was used more times as 5

 

[Sikatrix2]

Veejay Pre has overtaken Jared Bahay for RoY but its close

https://x.com/TakeAimLS/status/1850885607385682383?t=LnyHFVQVC3IDX5ekaewiBQ&s=19

 

[cha342]

I was watching Team B earlier.

Dom has a smooth shooting stroke but thats yet to translate to made threes. He made a short jumper and a high post jumper and missed his 3s. Dom is also a defensive liability cos he fouls a lot- often out of position and off timing when helping on drivers. I like that he has the willingness and awareness to help and length to potentially bother though. But he desperately needs game time reps and strength to make an impact.

Kean had a triple double but POG award was given to Jacob who top scored. That's gonna be a deadly backcourt next year.

Amos had a bounce back game and his touch is money. He's way thinner nowadays.

Pablo's touch just isn't there. I am not sure if he is ever to translate the same success he had in the Jrs against the higher competition. But he can rebound and start the break.

Some notable players that I didn't know was part of team B: John Adrian Te, & Andrei Santos

 

[Crustacean2]

I was watching Team B earlier.

Dom has a smooth shooting stroke but thats yet to translate to made threes. He made a short jumper and a high post jumper and missed his 3s. Dom is also a defensive liability cos he fouls a lot- often out of position and off timing when helping on drivers. I like that he has the willingness and awareness to help and length to potentially bother though. But he desperately needs game time reps and strength to make an impact.

Kean had a triple double but POG award was given to Jacob who top scored. That's gonna be a deadly backcourt next year.

Amos had a bounce back game and his touch is money. He's way thinner nowadays.

Pablo's touch just isn't there. I am not sure if he is ever to translate the same success he had in the Jrs against the higher competition. But he can rebound and start the break.

Some notable players that I didn't know was part of team B: John Adrian Te, & Andrei Santos

Watched that same game against CEU.

I'll compare Sarmiento to Raven Gonzales, and that is probably his ceiling too. He is just too lanky to defend bigger FSAs (just like Raven), but he does have a promising shooting touch. If Raven is still with DLSU in Season 88 (I think he is close to graduating from college), then Sarmiento could be the replacement. Otherwise even if he is lined up in Season 88, he will barely get minutes.

Baclaan and Cortez, nothing new to say. They're good and will more than make-up for the Remogat (with Gemao?) UP backcourt in Season 88. I prefer Cortez personally as he tends to be more mature in decision making.

Amos still needs to improve his defense. Otherwise, nothing new to note either.

I actually liked Buenaventura's game more than Ogana's.

Pablo I agree is the one who seems to not have a role yet. If he can make himself be useful ala Belmonte or Torculas of UP, then that will be enough. He just won't be the main man on any team (not just DLSU) given his skills right now.