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Ibo2
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I absolutely hate this move for him, he's probably going to play in the TBL team of fener which is positive but bahcesehir would've been the safest route. I really hope this doesn't turn out bad
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Toruko2
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Well, it seems to be true but despite being not happy with this I am sure he will go his way under any circumstances. I hope hell get the team in the second team of FB + BGL. He is by far the best prospect in Turkey right now.
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Ibo2
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Well, it seems to be true but despite being not happy with this I am sure he will go his way under any circumstances. I hope hell get the team in the second team of FB + BGL. He is by far the best prospect in Turkey right now.
Playing TBL at 16 is going to be great for him but the move after that is going to be problematic especially in a team such as fener. I was sure he was going to get at least 25min with bahcesehir in 2 years in BSL but fener idk....
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Toruko2
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Playing TBL at 16 is going to be great for him but the move after that is going to be problematic especially in a team such as fener. I was sure he was going to get at least 25min with bahcesehir in 2 years in BSL but fener idk....
I trust his talent but as you already wrote the step from TBL to BSL is an insecure path. The start should be even better with the chance of TBL but after that its really difficult.
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TurkfromGermany2
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This would be the end of our dreams.....
But dont worry at this stage because Derin Cans mother and father didnt like a tweet about this rumor but more importantly his father liked tweets against this move.
All things at this stage, Derin Can Ustun, Kaan Onat, Omer Kutluay, all those players will be the targets of Fener.
Fener has 1 year younger PG Omer Ege Ziyaettin, he is a very talented PG/SG too, he is the biggest talent of Fener sind Omer Yurtseven. He could reach similar level like Derin Can + Kaan Onat. He is natural born like Kaan. I dont like highlights but he is really talented. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp7pOyzJKTQ
But dont worry at this stage because Derin Cans mother and father didnt like a tweet about this rumor but more importantly his father liked tweets against this move.
All things at this stage, Derin Can Ustun, Kaan Onat, Omer Kutluay, all those players will be the targets of Fener.
Fener has 1 year younger PG Omer Ege Ziyaettin, he is a very talented PG/SG too, he is the biggest talent of Fener sind Omer Yurtseven. He could reach similar level like Derin Can + Kaan Onat. He is natural born like Kaan. I dont like highlights but he is really talented. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp7pOyzJKTQ
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TurkfromGermany2
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In Demir Dogans case we can again see what it means at U-level when a real talent decides to take it seriously. He showed maybe 40% effort last week and had a great tournament, we could again see how big talent he is. How big difference he is on offense and defense with this still low level effort and this shot. We can again also see how fast things can change at U-level. Willingness and to be mental ready are the most important things for a clear cut talent like Demir Dogan. I will post videos from his shot from different years in the next weeks, and we will see again how fast things can change at U-level(his shot was in 2022 that broken, not that extremly in other years etc.). His coach from Bandirma Ali Yildirim is here headcoach and of course he knows who is the biggest prospect of this team. But the most important thing for Demir is to comeback to Besiktas, if this will not happen then again he will have a very tough time. Its really very alarming how bad the development of our players abroud is.
Again very bad roles/rotation in a turkish U-team. After Melih Tunca and Ozgur Cengiz, Berk Can Akin must be the 3rd important backcourt player, he is a very solid prospect and at this stage a better prospect as Yagiz Aksu but coach gives Aksu bigger role. Berkay Donmez must have a bigger role too. Berkay is a safe player for senior level, he can become a very good 3D player with his shooting, of ball game and defense. At this level a Karahan Efeoglu can score more etc. but he is not interesting for high level but Berkay Donmez could be a useful player. Ozgur Cengiz is solid, he will have good games etc. but you must give Melih Tunca the leader role, clear cut. Players like Cem Kucukozkan, Arda Birkeser, etc. have zero future, Kucukozkan is still 17 but his development is done, this is so clear, those are typical turkish prospects with zero future but turks think they are serious prospects, this is always the same with turkish fans/followers etc. A player like Salih Altuntas get exposed at this level normally but even if he should have a good tournament he is zero interesting for senior level.
This must be the tournament of Melih Tunca and Demir Dogan, the rest is more or less unimportant. Always focus on talent, focus always on which player could be interesting for senior level(senior NT), the rest is not important.
Again very bad roles/rotation in a turkish U-team. After Melih Tunca and Ozgur Cengiz, Berk Can Akin must be the 3rd important backcourt player, he is a very solid prospect and at this stage a better prospect as Yagiz Aksu but coach gives Aksu bigger role. Berkay Donmez must have a bigger role too. Berkay is a safe player for senior level, he can become a very good 3D player with his shooting, of ball game and defense. At this level a Karahan Efeoglu can score more etc. but he is not interesting for high level but Berkay Donmez could be a useful player. Ozgur Cengiz is solid, he will have good games etc. but you must give Melih Tunca the leader role, clear cut. Players like Cem Kucukozkan, Arda Birkeser, etc. have zero future, Kucukozkan is still 17 but his development is done, this is so clear, those are typical turkish prospects with zero future but turks think they are serious prospects, this is always the same with turkish fans/followers etc. A player like Salih Altuntas get exposed at this level normally but even if he should have a good tournament he is zero interesting for senior level.
This must be the tournament of Melih Tunca and Demir Dogan, the rest is more or less unimportant. Always focus on talent, focus always on which player could be interesting for senior level(senior NT), the rest is not important.
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Camoka2
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Tunca is a special one, especially for us. If he reach his potential, we would have a true PG for at least 10 years. He has size, IQ, scoring and average defence. I do not know his ceiling but we need to treat him as a diamond.
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Toruko2
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Tunca is a special one, especially for us. If he reach his potential, we would have a true PG for at least 10 years. He has size, IQ, scoring and average defence. I do not know his ceiling but we need to treat him as a diamond.
He is not a special defender but he is a good defender for his position.
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Toruko2
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When we keep the finishing aside I really liked what I saw from from Demir Dogan but we use him in a wrong way for sure. Creating from his post game is ok but we need to keep him on the weak side and let him attack the rim more. Incidentally, we should really use him as a five instead of Altuntas and Demirel. Both have serious flaws.
This Faruk Biberovic is not a baller material, Berk Can Akin is again such a guy who cant deal with the ball and Yagiz Aksu is a classic ball stopper.
Ozgur Cengiz is naturally the most experienced player with a great defense offense balance but he overdoes it sometimes.
Melih Tunca and Demir Dogan are the other target players. The rest is not interesting at all.
This Faruk Biberovic is not a baller material, Berk Can Akin is again such a guy who cant deal with the ball and Yagiz Aksu is a classic ball stopper.
Ozgur Cengiz is naturally the most experienced player with a great defense offense balance but he overdoes it sometimes.
Melih Tunca and Demir Dogan are the other target players. The rest is not interesting at all.
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TurkfromGermany2
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Evet mesela 6'8 civari olursa nba icin bile cok buyuk prospect olur ama babasi 1.98 galiba onun kadar olsa en azindan EL seviyesinde star olabilir bu da bizim icin okay yani ama 14 yasindan sonra ne kadar uzuyor basketbolcular ortalama pek fikrim yok mesela furkan o yasta hangi boydaydi acaba. Bu arada buraya foto yuklemeden nasil yorum yukleyebilirim foto upload etme zorunlulugu cikiyor bende full
With shoes Ibrahim Kutluay is 6,7(without 6,6=197-8), this is enough even for an european SG/SF prospect for the NBA, of course better is 6,8. Furkan is 6,8(with). Bogdan Bogdanovic is most likely 6,6,5-6,7(with) and he has the advantage of his versatility/IQ, but you can build this versatility, or better knowing how to play bb only if you have a real role in your european team, one thing turkish players never have. Therefore a small Omer Kutluay will never overcome this handicap because big turkish teams will never give a young turkish player the opportunity to make decisions. And if you cant make decisions then you have not the chance to become a player like Bogdan Bogdanovic, De Colo etc. Therefore the best thing for Omer will be to be 6,7 or 6,8, then the hype and way for NBA is completely open. For turkish bb would be a type of Bogdanovic better because exactly this is needed but to be Bogdanovic you must really play bb and this opportunity will never get a young Omer and we have Derin Can Ustun and Kaan Onat. If Omer would be a pure scorer with less playmaking and a size of 6,7 or 6,8, this would be the best for turkish bb. Even Onuralp Bitim was with 14 close to 190, but Onuralp couldnt add many inches, Furkan Korkmaz was with 15 193. Mostly after 16 you cant add many inches, Berkan Durmaz was with 16 already 200 and with 20 at Adidas Eurocamp 202, Metecan was with 15 already 200 and at Adidas Eurocamp 203,5. Derin Can Ustun is most likely something like 187, Kaan Onat 192-3, both are very childish with wide body and zero beard, i think both could add 4-5 cm and will have the best sizes for their positions. With 14 you can add many many inches, i think that Omer Kutluay will add in the next 1-2 years many inches and after next season we will see a Omer with over 190 with 15. With 14 you have enough time, with already 16 you will not have good chances. Of course all data are without shoes.
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Toruko2
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Who said Demir Dogan cant shoot? We defend like shit. Our 1 vs 1 defense is a catastrophe. Quarter Finals will most likely be the last station but Dogan and Tunca are great. Tunca especially has everything to be a high level European PG. I love how he solves issues when he gets doubled. He is tall and sees many things. He could have easily more than 10 assists today. He absorbs every contact very well when he drives to the rim, his mid range shot looks so smooth and most importantly he is a solid defender.
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Ibo2
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Who said Demir Dogan cant shoot? We defend like shit. Our 1 vs 1 defense is a catastrophe. Quarter Finals will most likely be the last station but Dogan and Tunca are great. Tunca especially has everything to be a high level European PG. I love how he solves issues when he gets doubled. He is tall and sees many things. He could have easily more than 10 assists today. He absorbs every contact very well when he drives to the rim, his mid range shot looks so smooth and most importantly he is a solid defender.
Tunca what a player!! If he also starts knocking down his 3 pointers when the defense goes under he might even have nba potential. But of course still a very very long way to go
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Toruko2
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Tunca what a player!! If he also starts knocking down his 3 pointers when the defense goes under he might even have nba potential. But of course still a very very long way to go
He is not a NBA style player but he resembles a bit to Papaloukas or these old tall yugo guards. I love his decision making.
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Ibo2
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He is not a NBA style player but he resembles a bit to Papaloukas or these old tall yugo guards. I love his decision making.
I definitely can see that, and yeah I actually dont really care about the nba that much if he could become a starting pg in EL for several years that would be perfect for us. Very exciting years for efes too melih tunca, Omer kutluay and kaan onat are all amazing prospects wish they would have a team in TBL instead of TB2L
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Toruko2
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Demir Dogan has rehabilitated from his bad summer and can again be seen as a clear NBA potential prospect. His fluidity on the court, post up creations, court vision and passing abilities as well as his development as a shooter makes him really interesting. I would even say he has profile wise a full offensive package but there is more.
His lateral quickness against shorter guys is amazing! He is also great as a weak side defender and is also able to protect the rim. He just needs to work on his body and on his shot. We can surely argue about his touch around the rim but there is nothing that cant be fixated.
His lateral quickness against shorter guys is amazing! He is also great as a weak side defender and is also able to protect the rim. He just needs to work on his body and on his shot. We can surely argue about his touch around the rim but there is nothing that cant be fixated.
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Melih Tunca couldn't play in the game against Germany yesterday due to a fever he had, which caused fatigue. If he had played, we most likely would have secured the first place in the group and reached the semifinals through a more reasonable path. But it doesn't matter. One of the biggest mistakes made in Turkish basketball for years is evaluating players' potential based on the results of youth tournaments. As a result, we have overvalued some players, though they may be in the minority, and underrated others, even though they might be evaluated more talented. What matters is for the players to see these tournaments as opportunities to show themselves, and even when things don't go well, to stay mentally strong and strive to follow the right path in basketball. There's no luxury to disconnect from the game after falling behind at this level, as demonstrated by Buyuktuncel's performance against Spain.
In the first three matches, both Tunca and Demirel's individual performances were satisfying. Especially Demirel exceeded expectations in terms of defense and showed that he can contribute when trusted. He stands out from the typical profile of a regular big man. He's one of the players that should see TBL level as soon as possible. Dogan's performance was okay, but he is still far from showing the expected level. It's not even possible to run a set based on his shooting, and at some point, he forces the team to play in a narrower area. His shooting is not the same as last year, but most of his successful shots came from necessity positions. When he becomes a real threat from the perimeter, we will talk about him on a different level, but it's a fact that I don't see him achieving that soon.
As a long-term prospect, Ege Akcay is the most special player of the '06 generation for me as I stated before. Akcay couldn't perform well in the preparation tournament due to a minor injury he had and didn't participate in the actual tournament, but he will undoubtedly have a serious breakthrough in this generation at some point.
In the first three matches, both Tunca and Demirel's individual performances were satisfying. Especially Demirel exceeded expectations in terms of defense and showed that he can contribute when trusted. He stands out from the typical profile of a regular big man. He's one of the players that should see TBL level as soon as possible. Dogan's performance was okay, but he is still far from showing the expected level. It's not even possible to run a set based on his shooting, and at some point, he forces the team to play in a narrower area. His shooting is not the same as last year, but most of his successful shots came from necessity positions. When he becomes a real threat from the perimeter, we will talk about him on a different level, but it's a fact that I don't see him achieving that soon.
As a long-term prospect, Ege Akcay is the most special player of the '06 generation for me as I stated before. Akcay couldn't perform well in the preparation tournament due to a minor injury he had and didn't participate in the actual tournament, but he will undoubtedly have a serious breakthrough in this generation at some point.
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Ibo2
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As a long-term prospect, Ege Akcay is the most special player of the '06 generation for me as I stated before. Akcay couldn't perform well in the preparation tournament due to a minor injury he had and didn't participate in the actual tournament, but he will undoubtedly have a serious breakthrough in this generation at some point.
If I need to be honest I cant't envision a world where ege akcay has a higher ceilling and more potential than demir dogan
If I need to be honest I cant't envision a world where ege akcay has a higher ceilling and more potential than demir dogan
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TurkfromGermany2
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No problem if some people see in Ege Akcay more potential. This is not strange, both have great potential. Ege Akcay would had his breakout season as early as this season if his coach had not stopped him. Next season he will probably have a full highlight season and everyone will talk about him. He is totally different as the other turkish SF prospects in the past. Tibet Gorener got so much hype and Ege is comparable to him but Ege has so much much more upside. We must always focus on individual talent, this is the key.
Its great how intelligent Demir Dogan is, in offense and defense. That makes me really very happy and still not with very much effort.
Its great how intelligent Demir Dogan is, in offense and defense. That makes me really very happy and still not with very much effort.