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Toruko2
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Bona didnt play two tournaments almost every game for 40 minutes. You both talk nonsense.
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Bona didnt play two tournaments almost every game for 40 minutes. You both talk nonsense.
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okanial2
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Obviously Berke reads the comments here and got pumped for todays game
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TurkfromGermany2
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Why should he climb up when his last performances have done nothing but hurt his draft stock? Averaging 11/6/2 while shooting 35% from the field at the U19 and U20 won't get you drafted unless he has a monster year and proves he is a NBA level offensive player, which he is miles away atm. With his offensive output you need to be an All NBA caliber defender which he isn't either. And it's not just his lack of aggressiveness. His offensive skills are nowhere near NBA level. And if he can't develop a consistent shot he won't even be a 3&D player at the next level.
I know everybody wants him to succeed but it's time to be realistic.
And what Jonathan Givony writes doesn't matter at all. This man is single handidly responsible for half the european busts of the last 10 years. According to him everybody is a future star and nobody has flaws.
Excellent post, same for the first part of Camokas post. This is the reason why you should post here. Berke is in a very tough situation, he will not get enough minutes and he will be limited at offense anyway, he has zero chances for next years draft, this is the reality and the really bad thing for turkish bb is, he could even lose 4 years and then we would lose a roleplayer for NT. NCAA is total different bb, a limited and shy offensive player like Berke will have even tougher time there. People are unable to assess what it means if you get the total freedom from coach, without this situation his offensive output would be even worse. For example in todays game he had 26 points but he had only 2 good moments at scoring, at least 2 good moments, against USA he had 19 points but i think 0 good moments at scoring. He has absolutely no nose when it comes to scoring, he is smart on defense but dumb and untalented if it comes to his own score, at least for now but i think his chances are not very high at this. His shot is not bad, he can even improve his shot. He has a good 3p % but he cant make other jumpers, this is another good indication of his limited offensive talent.
What Jonathan Givony writes are not important for my opinion but for our players situation its important.
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Toruko2
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Again nonsense.
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Toruko2
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Ok since there are many overreaction here about Berke Buyuktuncel lets be more precise about what he can do and what is improvable.
The good: he can defend all five points at this level and in Europe its should be at least 4 and in the NBA there will be no problem guarding 2-4. He is switchable and he is a nightmare for off ball guys. Very smart defender on top. He is a very good rebounder and a precise passer with a very good court vision. A team player par excellence.
I have no doubt that he will be a very good catch and shoot guy. The problem with this team is Fikret Dogan cant let the team create so we always get stuck but this is not his fault. In a team with good guards who can create he will make those shots like today.
The bad: its true that he struggles making contested shots but I am still optimistic about his ability to make these mid range off the dribble jumpers especially when there is much room which should be found on the NBA courts. Also his low post creation... he has no problems creating good looks but he cant finish them because the lack of touch and because of athleticism issues. But reacting like he cant develop there is nonsense. He has also no problems to attack the rim and getting to a finishing spot.
This Tofas year was a lost one. You could say it was enough for him to get used to the BSL but it was not. He barely used 3 finishes in 15-20 minutes and partly lost cases like Gecim was in front of him. This is not acceptable.
I agree NCAA could cause some adaptation problems but considering the roster he will start and have his minutes. Considering again the level he is used to play we can expect that he can contribute from the start. His shyness is an issue for his coach. It is his job to use him right and being more demanding. If he tries and fails, so be it. After one year he can return to Europe and continue his journey. Treating him like he is Adem Bona is nonsense.
The good: he can defend all five points at this level and in Europe its should be at least 4 and in the NBA there will be no problem guarding 2-4. He is switchable and he is a nightmare for off ball guys. Very smart defender on top. He is a very good rebounder and a precise passer with a very good court vision. A team player par excellence.
I have no doubt that he will be a very good catch and shoot guy. The problem with this team is Fikret Dogan cant let the team create so we always get stuck but this is not his fault. In a team with good guards who can create he will make those shots like today.
The bad: its true that he struggles making contested shots but I am still optimistic about his ability to make these mid range off the dribble jumpers especially when there is much room which should be found on the NBA courts. Also his low post creation... he has no problems creating good looks but he cant finish them because the lack of touch and because of athleticism issues. But reacting like he cant develop there is nonsense. He has also no problems to attack the rim and getting to a finishing spot.
This Tofas year was a lost one. You could say it was enough for him to get used to the BSL but it was not. He barely used 3 finishes in 15-20 minutes and partly lost cases like Gecim was in front of him. This is not acceptable.
I agree NCAA could cause some adaptation problems but considering the roster he will start and have his minutes. Considering again the level he is used to play we can expect that he can contribute from the start. His shyness is an issue for his coach. It is his job to use him right and being more demanding. If he tries and fails, so be it. After one year he can return to Europe and continue his journey. Treating him like he is Adem Bona is nonsense.
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Buyuktuncel's performance in the Italy game was in line with the expected profile of him in terms of offense. In a team environment where the chemistry hasn't quite settled and lacking support from the '03 generation on an individual level, it is highly notable that the team's leader can shoulder the scoring burden. The approach I have been expecting from him since the U-19 WC is exactly what he displayed today. He contributed in crucial moments both offensively and defensively. Despite displaying a poor and wrestling style of basketball, he was the only player on the court trying to play the fundamentals of the game, and he clearly showed the difference in quality.
NBA scouts are making predictions based not only on what he has done but also on what he is capable of. Although I personally find his choice of NCAA risky and wrong, I believe that Buyuktuncel will make significant progress in his personal development thanks to the lighter fixture tempo. The NBA draft is a big goal for him, and it's a fact that he will be in the spotlight at UCLA. The NCAA path he will pursue may not be as bad as we think. He has already created significant hype. What matters is whether he can live up to this hype during the regular season. I believe that the individualism in American basketball will have a positive impact on Buyuktuncel, who is a potential elite team player. It wouldn't hurt to add some aggression to his mature game.
As for the team, there's not much need for further analysis. Despite playing terrible basketball, we managed to secure the top spot in the group. We displayed unsatisfactory basketball, and we will need more than that to progress further in the later stages. We will face significant difficulties in every game played without contributions from the bench. Mestoglu's injury is not good at all. We will be deprived of a player who provides clear contributions, and the burden will increase on Yigitoglu and Buyuktuncel.
NBA scouts are making predictions based not only on what he has done but also on what he is capable of. Although I personally find his choice of NCAA risky and wrong, I believe that Buyuktuncel will make significant progress in his personal development thanks to the lighter fixture tempo. The NBA draft is a big goal for him, and it's a fact that he will be in the spotlight at UCLA. The NCAA path he will pursue may not be as bad as we think. He has already created significant hype. What matters is whether he can live up to this hype during the regular season. I believe that the individualism in American basketball will have a positive impact on Buyuktuncel, who is a potential elite team player. It wouldn't hurt to add some aggression to his mature game.
As for the team, there's not much need for further analysis. Despite playing terrible basketball, we managed to secure the top spot in the group. We displayed unsatisfactory basketball, and we will need more than that to progress further in the later stages. We will face significant difficulties in every game played without contributions from the bench. Mestoglu's injury is not good at all. We will be deprived of a player who provides clear contributions, and the burden will increase on Yigitoglu and Buyuktuncel.
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Toruko2
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I believe that the individualism in American basketball will have a positive impact on Buyuktuncel, who is a potential elite team player. It wouldn't hurt to add some aggression to his mature game.
This!
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Toruko2
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Fikret Dogan almost did it today and gave the game twice away. I am astonished that someone like him got a team like this. I wouldnt give that idiot a U14 team. The path for gold is open but its very difficult with this coach and these guards.
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After seeing Buyuktuncel's performance in the U-20 tournament, the NCAA selection doesn't sound as unreasonable or flawed. In order for him to reach his maximum potential, some adjustments need to be made, particularly in his understanding of the game and offensive weapons. He needs to add something to himself from a more practical, simple logic and result-oriented basketball concept. Just as being a bad passer or a ball hog is a problem for ordinary players, overpassing becomes a serious issue for a player with such high potential. Wasting available positions in search of a better one, not taking on a scoring role for himself and passing up open shot opportunities have been notable flaws in Buyuktuncel's game since the beginning of summer, but they are not deficiencies to be exaggerated. That's why I expect the faster pace, individuality, and value given to tangible statistics in American basketball to have a positive impact on Buyuktuncel's game at some point.
Looking at the NT, the liabilities I mentioned above will not diminish Buyuktuncel's value in the national team projection because he will have enough scorers around him, and he will be able to successfully fulfill the valuable role player mission assigned to him, or rather, there won't be an expectation for him to carry the scoring burden, so in this sense, it won't be negatively highlighted. Even if he can't develop himself in America, we have already gained a very serious player for the NT. What I'm trying to convey is for such a promising player to realize what he is capable of and be much more than a valuable role player. There are no significant deficiencies in his skill set required to achieve more. The most important thing needed is, as I said, a certain amount of "adjustment" in his on-court decisions.
Looking at the NT, the liabilities I mentioned above will not diminish Buyuktuncel's value in the national team projection because he will have enough scorers around him, and he will be able to successfully fulfill the valuable role player mission assigned to him, or rather, there won't be an expectation for him to carry the scoring burden, so in this sense, it won't be negatively highlighted. Even if he can't develop himself in America, we have already gained a very serious player for the NT. What I'm trying to convey is for such a promising player to realize what he is capable of and be much more than a valuable role player. There are no significant deficiencies in his skill set required to achieve more. The most important thing needed is, as I said, a certain amount of "adjustment" in his on-court decisions.
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Toruko2
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After seeing Buyuktuncel's performance in the U-20 tournament, the NCAA selection doesn't sound as unreasonable or flawed. In order for him to reach his maximum potential, some adjustments need to be made, particularly in his understanding of the game and offensive weapons. He needs to add something to himself from a more practical, simple logic and result-oriented basketball concept. Just as being a bad passer or a ball hog is a problem for ordinary players, overpassing becomes a serious issue for a player with such high potential. Wasting available positions in search of a better one, not taking on a scoring role for himself and passing up open shot opportunities have been notable flaws in Buyuktuncel's game since the beginning of summer, but they are not deficiencies to be exaggerated. That's why I expect the faster pace, individuality, and value given to tangible statistics in American basketball to have a positive impact on Buyuktuncel's game at some point.
Looking at the NT, the liabilities I mentioned above will not diminish Buyuktuncel's value in the national team projection because he will have enough scorers around him, and he will be able to successfully fulfill the valuable role player mission assigned to him, or rather, there won't be an expectation for him to carry the scoring burden, so in this sense, it won't be negatively highlighted. Even if he can't develop himself in America, we have already gained a very serious player for the NT. What I'm trying to convey is for such a promising player to realize what he is capable of and be much more than a valuable role player. There are no significant deficiencies in his skill set required to achieve more. The most important thing needed is, as I said, a certain amount of "adjustment" in his on-court decisions.
A bit more selfishness is needed. He is too often too unselfish. Especially in such a offensively limited team I expected him to be more in charge.
I am just happy that Yigitoglu ended the tournament so well. Especially against Krivas who is one of the targeted bigs of the tournament. I knew he would have the advantage in aggressiveness and assertiveness. His advantages of playing high level basketball for two years could be seen clearly.
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Camoka2
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Yurtseven signed with Utah Jazz. Probably, he will get enough chance to show what he is capable of. He will share minutes with Kessler and Olynyk, assuming that Collins will play mostly at 4. Kessler had a good rookie season but Omer must handle with these guys and earn his own minutes.
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Toruko2
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I watched the three prep games in the Turgut Atakol tournament against Czech Rep., Belgium and Bulgaria U18 team and our U18 team was not as good as I had expected them to be. The team has serious offensive potential but the defense looked worrisome. They didnt play with full seriousness but still many rotations were late or the guys were beaten in many 1 on 1 situations.
I think the main guy of this team is still Demir Dogan who looked very good in those 3 games. He looked very concentrated and his motor is way better than one year ago. The shot also got better. He was able to make many of those open shots. He is still a major threat in terms of attacking close outs from the weak side. If he catches you one on one its over. He was also create for himself and others from the low post either by beating his opponent by turning from the bas line of with passes.
What he lacks is a weapon in set offense. He struggles serously creating for himself and for others when he tries to create from the top.
The other important guys are Ozgur Cengiz, Melih Tunca and Salih Altuntas.
Ozgur didnt have a good tournament in general but I am sure he can boost his performance when things are going to get seriously.
Salih Altuntas is a really skilled big who has certain qualities I always want to see in bigs skill set but he is really slow legged.
These four guys will be decisive in the FIBA U18 tournament.
I think the main guy of this team is still Demir Dogan who looked very good in those 3 games. He looked very concentrated and his motor is way better than one year ago. The shot also got better. He was able to make many of those open shots. He is still a major threat in terms of attacking close outs from the weak side. If he catches you one on one its over. He was also create for himself and others from the low post either by beating his opponent by turning from the bas line of with passes.
What he lacks is a weapon in set offense. He struggles serously creating for himself and for others when he tries to create from the top.
The other important guys are Ozgur Cengiz, Melih Tunca and Salih Altuntas.
Ozgur didnt have a good tournament in general but I am sure he can boost his performance when things are going to get seriously.
Salih Altuntas is a really skilled big who has certain qualities I always want to see in bigs skill set but he is really slow legged.
These four guys will be decisive in the FIBA U18 tournament.
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peker2
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European Championship roster of our U18 National Team
Arda Birkeser, Berk Can Akin, Berkay Donmez, Cem Kucukozkan, Demir Dogan, Emre Melih Tunca, Faruk Biberovic, Huseyin Emir Sevig, Mehmet Efe Demirel, Ozgur Cengiz, Salih Altuntas, Yagiz Aksu
Arda Birkeser, Berk Can Akin, Berkay Donmez, Cem Kucukozkan, Demir Dogan, Emre Melih Tunca, Faruk Biberovic, Huseyin Emir Sevig, Mehmet Efe Demirel, Ozgur Cengiz, Salih Altuntas, Yagiz Aksu
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I am just happy that Yigitoglu ended the tournament so well. Especially against Krivas who is one of the targeted bigs of the tournament. I knew he would have the advantage in aggressiveness and assertiveness. His advantages of playing high level basketball for two years could be seen clearly.
Yigitoglu's performance against Lithuania was at an NBA-bound prospect level. However, it could have been a much better tournament for him. His overall performance didn't create the expected impact on me. He should have compensated for Buyuktuncel's decline in performance due to fatigue by taking on more responsibilities in offense. If he can improve his positioning in offense, he will be able to show his skills at a higher level. One of the characteristics I admire in a big player, and I think it's one of the most underrated qualities, is the ability to establish a good position in the post without drawing offensive fouls. Unfortunately, Yigitoglu seems to lack this particular skill. When we consider the two tournaments, he took much of his positions in the high post or, even worse, near the three-point line with his back turned when he received the ball. However, when he did receive the ball in the low post, he converted a high percentage of his positions into points. He can establish more dominance physically. He still has serious potential and can be more than a useful piece for the NT though.
Considering the busy schedule this year, I believe he will get close to an average of 15 minutes of playing time in Besiktas. With the participation in the Eurocup, there will be many quality games where he can display himself and seize significant opportunities. As far as I know, he is not a lazy player and if he starts the season strongly, he will secure a spot in the rotation and gradually become an offensive option.
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Toruko2
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If he can improve his positioning in offense, he will be able to show his skills at a higher level.
He definitely struggles at that point especially when he wants to get the ball inside. Getting the ball away from the basket is surely another point but the team also couldnt stretch the floor to generate room for him and the main reason was Fikret Dogans inability to create offenses especially for him. Our U20 team was a offensively limited team but Fikret Dogan made it worse than it should be.
He showed to me that he is able to create enough to operate in the low post against weaker defenses such as Argentina or Lithuania. I think this U20 team made it extra difficult for Yigitoglu to shine.
Considering the busy schedule this year, I believe he will get close to an average of 15 minutes of playing time in Besiktas. With the participation in the Eurocup, there will be many quality games where he can display himself and seize significant opportunities. As far as I know, he is not a lazy player and if he starts the season strongly, he will secure a spot in the rotation and gradually become an offensive option.
I also agree that hell go his way from this point and will get better every year. I think talent is not the most important point for centers. A center must play hard and very straight forward. Yigitoglu doesnt make things too complicated when he gets the ball on the right spot.
HIs lack of setting screens annoys a bit tbh. He reminds me of old Sertac Sanli with his moving screens. This really needs to get better.
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Levenspiel2
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so Karahan Tuan Efeoglu is going to Univeristy of Utah. I did not see much hype about him, but he was the one player I thought could be impactful at the senior level. what's the opinion?
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Toruko2
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so Karahan Tuan Efeoglu is going to Univeristy of Utah. I did not see much hype about him, but he was the one player I thought could be impactful at the senior level. what's the opinion?
A solid finisher but not a prospect that the NT would need in any way.
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so Karahan Tuan Efeoglu is going to Univeristy of Utah. I did not see much hype about him, but he was the one player I thought could be impactful at the senior level. what's the opinion?
Efeoglu's decision to join the University of Utah, a Pac-12 conference team, highlights the significance of U-level world championships. His performance against Canada increased interest in him. Therefore, our teams' participation in world championships should be a fundamental goal in European championships. University of Utah is a team with a decent reputation, and being part of such a strong team is essential for his career. He will compete alongside Bona and Buyuktuncel in the same conference.
Setting aside the team he will play for, I believe Efeoglu will succeed at the senior level no matter what. Many teams in the BSL will give him a chance, but due to reasons such as his inadequate athleticism, unremarkable offense, and being stuck between SF/PF positions, the peak of his career would be as a rotational player in a Turkish team in the Eurocup/BCL level. We will hear his name frequently in the coming years, but mostly in the news of him transferring from Manisa to Bahcesehir, from Bahcesehir to Telekom, and then to Konyaspor, etc., similar to basketball players who transfer in Turkey as if they are going on a tourist trip. Nevertheless, such players can be useful in many aspects for teams. He is not a player worth analyzing excessively. I hope he reaches the highest point he can achieve. The most important thing is for him to get satisfying playing time in his first year in NCAA (although I don't see it as very probable in his first year).
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Ibo2
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Derin can ustun reportedly headed to Fenerbah
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Ibo2
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Derin can ustun reportedly headed to Fenerbah
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