Turkish Prospects

[peker2]

According to the TBF website, the squad of our U20 national team

Batin Tuna - Berke Buyuktuncel - Bugra Cal - Efe Vatan - Ege Ozcelik - Ege Tan Yıldızoglu - Emir Adiguzel - Karahan Tuan Efeoglu - Kerem Kuthan Konan - Murat Meric Kuntker - Samet Yigitoglu - Yigit Hamza Mestoglu​

 

[Toruko2]

Really surprising that Buyuktuncel again is in the list. slice me nice do you have any information about the restriction you had mentioned? Either Ataman doesnt care about Buyuktuncel right now or the information about 2 tournaments in one summer doesnt include the men's basketball team. I am a bit confused.

 

[Camoka2]

I think it really does not matter Berke will be in the final roster or not. He plays two young tournament. He was in national team camp for these tournament. After u20, he will be senior national team camp and this is at least, maybe he will be in the final roster. This is too much for a player. There is no time for personal training or even players need vacations. I just looked Spain roster, they do not invite any player from their strong u19 team. Some for France. I know we have limited pool but if your priority is senior national team and then invite a player only for senior national team.

 

[slice me nice2]

Toruko

I spoke with an official from the federation. It was my mistake to remember that the rule applied to tournaments played in the senior national team. There is no situation that would prevent Buyuktuncel from playing for the senior NT. The rule clearly states the following:

"A player is not eligible to participate in more than two youth main official competitions of FIBA Europe/FIBA in any one year".

 

[Toruko2]

Toruko

I spoke with an official from the federation. It was my mistake to remember that the rule applied to tournaments played in the senior national team. There is no situation that would prevent Buyuktuncel from playing for the senior NT. The rule clearly states the following:

"A player is not eligible to participate in more than two youth main official competitions of FIBA Europe/FIBA in any one year".

OK, thank you! Good to know.

 

[slice me nice2]

The U-18 NT will play a preparation tournament between July 13th and 15th against Bulgaria, Belgium, and the Czech Republic. From what I've seen, there has been some improvement in Demir Dogan's shooting. It's still not even good to be called average, but at least it's not terrible. Of course, we will see the actual success rate of his shots during the flowing game. Nonetheless, I expect a better shooting percentage from him this summer compared to last year. Any improvement in this area will allow him to utilize his other skills much more effectively. The lack of a shooting threat significantly hampers his game.

I believe Ege Akcay is the most promising player of the '06 generation. I think that if he strengthens himself a bit, he will be able to better reflect his ideas on the court. He is incredibly talented and moves on the field smoothly. The potential of his skill set indicates a truly exceptional level. I expect him to make significant progress in the medium term, within 2 to 3 years. He is a special player and definitely deserves special treatment. Very significant summer for him, I don't expect dominant performance from him, but he is likely to deliver a performance that demonstrates his potential. He fits the profile of players who can make significant progress within a year.

 

[Ibo2]

The U-18 NT will play a preparation tournament between July 13th and 15th against Bulgaria, Belgium, and the Czech Republic. From what I've seen, there has been some improvement in Demir Dogan's shooting. It's still not even good to be called average, but at least it's not terrible. Of course, we will see the actual success rate of his shots during the flowing game. Nonetheless, I expect a better shooting percentage from him this summer compared to last year. Any improvement in this area will allow him to utilize his other skills much more effectively. The lack of a shooting threat significantly hampers his game.

I believe Ege Akcay is the most promising player of the '06 generation. I think that if he strengthens himself a bit, he will be able to better reflect his ideas on the court. He is incredibly talented and moves on the field smoothly. The potential of his skill set indicates a truly exceptional level. I expect him to make significant progress in the medium term, within 2 to 3 years. He is a special player and definitely deserves special treatment. Very significant summer for him, I don't expect dominant performance from him, but he is likely to deliver a performance that demonstrates his potential. He fits the profile of players who can make significant progress within a year.

personally I think demir dogan still has the highest ceilling of this generation. Yagiz aksu also gets a little overlooked, these types of players always have a role on good teams if he improves his shot I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes an EL-level player

 

[janketa2]

1st post in this thread, it's distant past now, 15y passed
Prediction wasn't that bad, except for Batuk but it's interesting to recall
Interesting prediction for Semih and, comparation with Peker,( Levenspiel's weak point)

Old good times


Omer Asik (1986, 2.11, C - Fenerbahce)
Drafted by Blazers, traded to Bulls.
I can put my money on this guy that he's gonna be one of the most dominant centers of Europe. He's the real deal.

Semih Erden (1986, 2.10, C - Fenerbahce)
Drafted by Celtics.
Ordinary tough big man. He'll end up with a career similar to Kaya Peker's.

Oguz Savas (1987, 2.13, C - Fenerbahce)
Having played for 4 EL seasons already, he's experienced enough. He's had very good and mediocre periods, so it's really difficult to cast a prediction about his future. Somewhere between Mehmet Okur and Huseyin Besok.

Baris Hersek (1988, 2.07, PF - Efes Pilsen)
A few years ago, people were predicting him to be the main guy in our 2010 NT. I don't think they still believe that. I just hope he doesn't end up like Valentin Pastal.

Dogus Balbay (1989, 1.85, PG/SG - Texas Longhorns)
I'm not optimistic about him also, though I could only see him a couple of times. Besides, all of our brillant guard prospects tend to become mediocre players as they grow up. He'll become another Ender Arslan or Kerem Tunceri.

Birkan Batuk (1990, 1.96, SF - Trabzon)
Impressive performances in u18 and u20 tournaments so far. We really need a good SF in the coming years, he can be the one.

Enes Kanter (1992, 2.05, PF/C - Fenerbahce)
I can see people are very enthusiastic about him and he's justifying that till now. Considering our history of being able to produce mostly quality big men, we might say that he's gonna be good.​

 

[TurkfromGermany2]

personally I think demir dogan still has the highest ceilling of this generation. Yagiz aksu also gets a little overlooked, these types of players always have a role on good teams if he improves his shot I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes an EL-level player

I have the same opinion about Ege Akcay as slice me nice except 1 point. If Demir Dogan decides to play and can solve the problem with his shot technique, then he is the bigger prospect but still Ege Akcay is the more needed prospect for turkish bb because he will play as perimeter and Demir as big. I know im annoying with that but i will say that over and over again. When 1 player gets minutes and the other not in U-NT, this means sometimes nothing, not focus too much on things like that. Ege was last year with Demir by far the biggest prospect of the U16. For example Tibet Gorener got so much attention from turkish users but there is Ege, a similar player with much more upside but people cant see that because they are too much focused in MPG and PPG. Ege is the definition of potential. He deserves special treatment. You must handle a player like Ege total different for example as a Derin Can Ustun, Derin Can doesnt need protection, he will go his way, but Ege needs that, he must go step by step, if that happens the outcome could be huge. For next year, not TBL, BGL is the best place for him, but as a real leader of his team. A Cedi Osman can play with 15 in first division, this is not important because he will be always the same player but you must give Ege from year to year more opportunity because you will see he will add from time to time new things to his game. I hope the bums of Dacka will give him next year the full control of the BGL team, then the party can be started. Last year he started to play PnR and create a bit his own shot, scary. A player like Ege can only get better, full raw potential with zero maturity and zero physical maturity with perfect body and face like baby, always gold.......

Interesting Yagiz Aksu looked like future sharp shooter atleast at U-level. In U14 kids of course cant shoot good but from time to time we can see shooting talents like Efe Gucoglu(04), Omer Kutluay(09), most likely we can say it about Furkan Korkmaz and Kaan Onat too. And Yagiz Aksu looked like a sharp shooter too but he lost it at U16. We are talking about a very young player but he was a shooter without driving and after his time in Bandirma/Besiktas he is a driver but not shooter. Yagiz got enough hype, he is not a star prospect, Kaan Onat is similar playertype but much more talented. Ege is much more interesting for turkish bb as Yagiz.​

 

[TurkfromGermany2]

I agree you can clearly see the improvement throughout the year. He's not only a very good playmaker but he also has solid scoring touch especially in the mid-range and around the rim. I even think he is more talented than mert akay... Mert was definitely the better defender but he had no scoring touch whatsoever. Next year I don't want to see him play tb2l again it's time for him to show his skills in TBL.

Yes Melih is after Derin Can Ustun the most talented PG(Kaan Onat is SG/PG) since many years. Of course Mert Akay has talentwise no chance but Mert was almost a safe pick for reaching a decent level, Melih is still a project and must come step by step. We turks are always imprecise with our claims. We claim Mert would have become our starting PG in NT. For me he had the biggest chances too but he was not impressive in his last years like almost everyone now thinks. He was not good in 2018 and 2019 european championships. Best year he had was 2017, he had a very impressive european championship as 1 year younger player, just a perfect showing from this kind of player, a smart real playmaker and had everything except good scoring(but he even made important jumpers). He was often the main decision maker at the end of the games and always with good decisions, even Draftexpress(Jonathan Givony) had a tweet about him in that tournament. But after that tournament he immediately bulked up and 2-3-4 months later we saw a much stronger Mert but he lost a bit his brain and then the tos came, wild attempts to score, from time to time bad decisions etc. And later he went to Serbia and suddenly he was our one and only for the PG spot. This is too easy, this is so typical turkish. Not following the games in Serbia, not knowing the level etc. and saying he will reach 100% very good level and without a problem our starting PG for NT. All those claims are so typical turkish. Merts biggest plus was his PnR talent and willingness. Im very happy that Derin Can and Melih are very good PnR players at this stage.

Too fast bulking up ends often very bad. Tayfun Erulku(94) was the topscorer of the U14, after this tournament Efes brought him from Izmir BSB to Istanbul with a lot of money, very very much. He played as U15 player in the U16 of Efes. He looked very talented and dominated older players without a problem. Then he had a great TBF U16 tournament(Turk Telekom tournament) with the NT as 1 year younger player. He was like a snake in driving, not the bulldozer he was later and he was even a very good shooter and all this he did with IQ, pure talent. After he bulked up so quickly he never looked so talented like his first days and later we saw our headless Tayfun.

This U20 championship is again important for Berke, Samet and i would be also happy to see a better Kerem. Im interested in Meric Kuntkers performance too. I hope coach will give him a fair chance but i have my doubts about it.​

 

[Toruko2]

Berke Buyuktuncel entered as expected the ESPN mock draft list on 42th spot. He will climb up to a late first rounder

 

[Toruko2]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/in...cts-impressed-disappointed-fiba-u19-world-cup

 

[Toruko2]

Ok seeing things positively we can say that Yigitoglu showed his value. Generally spoken, the quality in the guard position made the difference. Kuntker should have played all the minutes Ege

 

[Levenspiel2]

1st post in this thread, it's distant past now, 15y passed
Prediction wasn't that bad, except for Batuk but it's interesting to recall
Interesting prediction for Semih and, comparation with Peker,( Levenspiel's weak point)

Old good times

15 years, man...

The sad thing about those predictions is to realize how steeply our level dropped. I was using Kaya Peker as a benchmark of an average center then, but he would be considered "elite" today. (not by the way he played but by the level he was at).

 

[Toruko2]

Ok seeing things positively we can say that Yigitoglu showed his value. Generally spoken, the quality in the guard position made the difference. Kuntker should have played all the minutes Ege

Man I hate this forum, really.

 

[slice me nice2]

As I have expressed before, I expect this tournament to be Yigitoglu's benchmark tournament, and his performance on the first day was extremely positive. However, as a team, we displayed a disastrous harmony, and the main reason for this was the insufficient time spent together during the preparation period of the '03 and '04 generations, as well as the lack of even a serious single preparation game. If we can smoothly get through tomorrow's game against Belgium, I believe that our performance will improve as the tournament progresses. It would have been nice to watch other names in this tournament like Spain and France, so that take pride in our talent pool, but our '03 generation is totally drought and we don't have any other options than giving the key roles to players from the U-19 NT, and therefore, watching the same names doesn't provide much enjoyment to me.

At this level, such defeats are quite normal. It's better to suffer heavy defeats at the beginning of the tournament than in the knockout games. Especially in youth tournaments, I believe in one thing: if you don't make your opponent feel as determined to win as they are at the beginning of the game, you give them a sense of winning that exceeds their actual desire. Today, we did the same and started the game very softly and passive. The team's lack of energy and coordination allowed Israel to send a strong message on both mental and technical levels, and they performed much better as the game progressed. Yacoov can be a serious PG at a high level, doing what Tamir Blatt couldn't do. He is a very talented and intelligent player.

Regardless of the results, it is important for our target players to have a good tournament. I believe we will recover as the tournament progresses. I'm repeating the same thing, but Buyuktuncel needs to be more active in the game. He needs to bite the opponent more. To give a small example, in a situation where a player at this level should go for a rebound position, he passes the ball to his teammate, and after the teammate's open shot, he raises his hands and celebrates the three-pointer prematurely. I don't like such things. Being present in the game at every moment and experiencing the game is crucial. An energy-demanding player like Buyuktuncel should not engage in such nonchalant actions.

It is important to perform better and grow step by step with the tournament. In terms of overall strength, I believe we can beat anyone. Yacoov is the most talented and differentiating PG of the tournament along with Nunez, so that I believe we won't experience such quality difference at PG position in remaining games.
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[Straight forward2]

It is important to perform better and grow step by step with the tournament. In terms of overall strength, I believe we can beat anyone. Yacoov is the most talented and differentiating PG of the tournament along with Nunez, so that I believe we won't experience such quality difference at PG position in remaining games.
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Also Urban Klavzar from Slovenia. Those 3 are most talented PGs in the tournament.

 

[haribi2]

Berke Buyuktuncel entered as expected the ESPN mock draft list on 42th spot. He will climb up to a late first rounder

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Why should he climb up when his last performances have done nothing but hurt his draft stock? Averaging 11/6/2 while shooting 35% from the field at the U19 and U20 won't get you drafted unless he has a monster year and proves he is a NBA level offensive player, which he is miles away atm. With his offensive output you need to be an All NBA caliber defender which he isn't either. And it's not just his lack of aggressiveness. His offensive skills are nowhere near NBA level. And if he can't develop a consistent shot he won't even be a 3&D player at the next level.
I know everybody wants him to succeed but it's time to be realistic.


And what Jonathan Givony writes doesn't matter at all. This man is single handidly responsible for half the european busts of the last 10 years. According to him everybody is a future star and nobody has flaws.

 

[Toruko2]

Why should he climb up when his last performances have done nothing but hurt his draft stock? Averaging 11/6/2 while shooting 35% from the field at the U19 and U20 won't get you drafted unless he has a monster year and proves he is a NBA level offensive player, which he is miles away atm. With his offensive output you need to be an All NBA caliber defender which he isn't either.
I know everybody wants him to succeed but it's time to be realistic

The last performances didnt show anything what we hadnt already known. When we put his heavy role into account and the number of the games he has played so far the efficiency issues can be ignored. His whole defensive game such as knowing off ball game, his defensive versatility in terms of defending 2-4 positions, switchability gives him a certain value. He just needs to show that he can develop an offensive game in time and fundaments are clearly there. He has upside in terms of creating his own shot from the mid range and from the low post. He is just bad finishing at the moment and it will be better in time. Without even taking into consideration of his superb passing skills and his ft percentage we can expect him to climb up.

 

[Camoka2]

Unfortunately, I think almost same way with haribi but I believe he can develop consistent shot. For first two games of U20, he was not the best player on court. He seems like an average player. For example, last year Bona showed that he is different than others even he played some bad games. Potential was there. In u19, Spain game was only real game and maybe Argentina. Canada and USA are not organized teams. For four game against organized teams, he could not make difference. For Turkey, both u20 games and u19 Argentina game, Yigitoglu is only differencer maker. We lost to Spain as team.

For Turkish youth teams, it is not acceptable to have only Yigitoglu for 03, 04, 05 generations. Vatan, Bugra Cal and Demirel can not hold ball and stand on court. Maybe, Demirel has potential but he is not there yet and these 3 players can not even get 10 minutes. Maybe it is coach's fault and we have other options but if it is best for us, we have big trouble in future. Spain and France are playing all different rosters for u19 and u20. I know they are better than us but we must have at least substitution guys.