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Turkish Prospects

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Do you know what potential is means ? you said he has a higher potential than Korkmaz, he can be a good passer but he will never be as athletic as Korkmaz its more likely Korkmaz will learn to pass like him,also Korkmaz way better shooter than him, Korkmaz's length,Athleticism,defense,shooting makes him an unique complete player, he has potenial to be true 2 way player.

This is why freak athletes getting drafted way higher in the NBA draft based on POTENTIAL, yon can teach them how to play and its not like Korkmaz is a raw athlete hes already very good fundamentally

Man what are you trying to prove? I already mention how great potential Korkmaz is. NBA draft selection is a enormous zero for me. Nba and European basketball is different and when we make classification between players, we should consider whether they are Nba or Euroleague type of players. This is my subjective comment on Geçim. He made a double double against Fener this year. He has natural born skills. Court vision is a really different skill and hard to learn for players who has limited one. Again and again I hope they will end their careers with a lot of success. Geçim is one step ahead of Korkmaz in European conditions for me.
 
Man what are you trying to prove? I already mention how great potential Korkmaz is. NBA draft selection is a enormous zero for me. Nba and European basketball is different and when we make classification between players, we should consider whether they are Nba or Euroleague type of players. This is my subjective comment on Geçim. He made a double double against Fener this year. He has natural born skills. Court vision is a really different skill and hard to learn for players who has limited one. Again and again I hope they will end their careers with a lot of success. Geçim is one step ahead of Korkmaz in European conditions for me.

Which skill of Korkmaz is not suited for european ball ? His shooting ? Also athleticism works at everywhere, Bo McCalebb was playing with pure athleticism nothing more, and can we say he was a bad euro league player ? Just because someone can pass, it doesnt make them directly a better Euro league player, shooting still the most important skill for European basketball and Gecim can not shoot.

Anyway i gotta sleep GN.
 
Which skill of Korkmaz is not suited for european ball ? His shooting ? Also athleticism works at everywhere, Bo McCalebb was playing with pure athleticism nothing more, and can we say he was a bad euro league player ? Just because someone can pass, it doesnt make them directly a better Euro league player, shooting still the most important skill for European basketball and Gecim can not shoot

Did I say Korkmaz is not suitable for European Basketball? We will see what will happen. Geçim is not a great shooter but he will improve himself. Players like Geçim makes me more excited that's all. I am saying court vision, you are saying passing skill bro. Meaningless discussion really. Korkmaz is great. What do you expect from me to say, I have faith in Geçim, he will be a different type of player.
 
Career high for Cedi Osman against Türk Telekom in playoffs. 20 points (5/5 threes). Beside his score potential, I like the energy that he is contributing. He again locked his opponents today. Bravo Jedi the Knight :)
 
Anyone know much about Mertcan Solkol? Looks like an amazing athlete, 1996 born, but I can't find anything on him as far as statistitics, just that he supposedly has played for Karsiyaka.
 
I think all Turkish fans interested in basketball are very optimist for the future of Turkish basketball.

We have great talent depth starting 95 generation. At the moment I can say PG and PF positions didn't show a "diamond" yet, but on other positions we have 2 or 3 players that can really contribute.

PG: Kenan Sipahi (95), Kartal Ozmizrak (95), Berk Ugurlu (96), Omer Al (98), Cavit Ege Havsa (97)
SG: Furkan Korkmaz (97), Enes Taskiran (97), Onuralp Bitim (99), Muhaymin Mustafa (99)
SF: Cedi Osman (95), Tolga Gecim (96), Okben Ulubay (96), Egehan Arna (97)
PF: Metecan Birsen (95), Ege Arar (96)
C: Emircan Kosut (95), Egemen Guven (96), Omer Yurtseven (98), Ahmet Duran (99)

That chart impressed me hell a lot with some additions like Enes Kanter (92), Furkan Aldemir (91), Samet Geyik (93), Melih Mahmutoglu (99).
If these kids keep up working and respect their talents 2017 and 2019 European championships should be targets with these generations.
It will be a crown if they can participate 2020 Olympic Games.
 
I think all Turkish fans interested in basketball are very optimist for the future of Turkish basketball.

We have great talent depth starting 95 generation. At the moment I can say PG and PF positions didn't show a "diamond" yet, but on other positions we have 2 or 3 players that can really contribute.

PG: Kenan Sipahi (95), Kartal Ozmizrak (95), Berk Ugurlu (96), Omer Al (98), Cavit Ege Havsa (97)
SG: Furkan Korkmaz (97), Enes Taskiran (97), Onuralp Bitim (99), Muhaymin Mustafa (99)
SF: Cedi Osman (95), Tolga Gecim (96), Okben Ulubay (96), Egehan Arna (97)
PF: Metecan Birsen (95), Ege Arar (96)
C: Emircan Kosut (95), Egemen Guven (96), Omer Yurtseven (98), Ahmet Duran (99)

That chart impressed me hell a lot with some additions like Enes Kanter (92), Furkan Aldemir (91), Samet Geyik (93), Melih Mahmutoglu (99).
If these kids keep up working and respect their talents 2017 and 2019 European championships should be targets with these generations.
It will be a crown if they can participate 2020 Olympic Games.
Pretty exciting roster. SG/SF line might end up amazing.

Not sure if we can call him a diamond, but I think Ege Arar is pretty good as PF. He's been overshadowed by his teammates, but he has that extra push that usually makes a team winner. I like Metecan as well, he's gonna be solid, but not as good as Ege probably. Besides, a few of these centers will probably switch to PF in time.
 
Pretty exciting roster. SG/SF line might end up amazing.

Not sure if we can call him a diamond, but I think Ege Arar is pretty good as PF. He's been overshadowed by his teammates, but he has that extra push that usually makes a team winner. I like Metecan as well, he's gonna be solid, but not as good as Ege probably. Besides, a few of these centers will probably switch to PF in time.

I totally agree with Ege Arar. He reminds me Kerem Gonlum a lot. He is a type of player that you know what you get from him all the time. Also as you said, we need at least one of these centers should switch to PF. The biggest candidate for this is Emircan Kosut. I don't think he will be strong enough to play in paint, on the other side he has pretty good shooting range. He can score threes, rebound, run the floor. I hope he can switch to that position.
 
What do we know about 2000 generation?

'00-'01 generation is the most exciting one that my friends say. Especially the PG and SG prospects that it offers, kind of heartwarming thing. I haven't seen any players from '01 generation but my trustworthy friends were pretty amazed by those talents. Next year, we will see them in U-16 tournament. I am sure they will get the gold and make their names. When I get the infos about players, I will write down here regularly.
 
Turkey has great prospects. But, seems to me that coachs aren't great.
One example- youngsters I watched have very bad shooting technics, including Korkmaz who is already EL player.
 
Turkey has great prospects. But, seems to me that coachs aren't great.
One example- youngsters I watched have very bad shooting technics, including Korkmaz who is already EL player.

Yeah that's a very house-painter motion for shooting :D
 
'00-'01 generation is the most exciting one that my friends say. Especially the PG and SG prospects that it offers, kind of heartwarming thing. I haven't seen any players from '01 generation but my trustworthy friends were pretty amazed by those talents. Next year, we will see them in U-16 tournament. I am sure they will get the gold and make their names. When I get the infos about players, I will write down here regularly.

I only know this kid from 2001 generation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJRkssmHNpM
I saw him in the Mini All Star game 2013 where he was simply outstanding. Seriously made a point or assist every single position. No idea how he developed since then tho.

There were also Ege Cem Sun and Baris Yersel (blond point guard in the video) from 2000 generation who were extremely hyped a couple years ago. But I haven't heard from them in a long time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfcWGIT31UY
 
Yeah that's a very house-painter motion for shooting :D


It's a pitty, because this guy is very talented, he has everything to become great player, but someone stupid learned him to shot like painter.
 
We have incredible deep talent pool between these generations but let's be honest, at least half of those guys will disappear and we will forget their names 5 years later, remember them players who couldn't have reached their full potential. I have strong beliefs for some players in comparison to rest. You can't apply the same development practice for every player. You need to evaluate their their mental, talent and physical aspects and according to these stuffs, you should draw their futures. For example, giving enough minutes can be an obligation for some players but other one may ask different things to develop himself. Kartal Özmızrak needs to get enough minutes to be considered as a lock guard for NT position but if we go around Koşut, he needs to rather bulk up before getting quality minutes. We have already seen how he performs under this circumstance since he has a weak body. Training conditions and look after himself play great role on his possible success. This is valid for every player but some players should follow these rules more strictly. To make this happened, every coach should know the capacity of their young players. They should also know what type player he has and if he will be wasted against senior players if he takes place on floor. Player development is really a hard thing.

Though I know it is hard to bet on these players at this age, if the necessary development practices will be applied, my ranking for talent pool is like this:

1. Onuralp Bitim (99): I see him as the best talent among all these exciting prospects. We have never had a freaky athletic SG who can take the spots on with extreme athleticism. We desperately need his sustainable development. If he can end up in good position, Turkish basketball will get a player that we have never witnessed under the star and crescent jersey. He has already taken some minutes in TBL (with the changing name) team and the second scorer in his team at age 16! He will be phenomena if he continues to work like that.

2. Furkan Korkmaz (97): We already know how great potential he has. He is already named as the biggest prospect of European basketball in draft sites so only thing he should do is deserving minutes from Ivkovic. The biggest concern about him is his thin body. Unless he bulks up, it is almost impossible for being ''that'' good player. He has mature character to overcome his deficiencies. Full belief for him is here!

3. Tolga Geçim (96): He is type of guy with outstanding court vision. There is no player who can be compared with him to give an idea. As every player, this prospect has a big deficiency with his shooting. If he can pull his shooting stats up to a point, we will have such a versatile player in him. I hope he will get at least 15 minutes in Banvit this year. I really don't want him to disappear.

4. Cedi Osman (95): He is already a done deal. I would like to see him in NBA after two more years in Europe. He is not a random draftee, Cavs has long term plans with him. This energy booster deserves the best. He will end up in a good position with this awesome character.

5. Ömer Faruk Yurtseven (98): He is such a dominant center but this years' performance was kinda disappointing one. He had great season with Fenerbahçe's B team and simply dominated the regional league. The diversity that he offers makes him as one of the most valuable prospect here. His body is in better shape than last year and that's a sign, he is hardworking and dream the big.

6. Egehan Arna (97): Scorer, creative and a SF. He is the scorer version of Geçim. Arna and Yurtseven duo has shouldered B team in regional league. There are some question marks about him like he doesn't like to work etc.. but let's not forget he is the one who was invited to Curry's private camp. Definitely his maximum is at maximum.

7. Egemen Güven (96): I have no doubt about his quality but he hasn't taken single minute in Karşıyaka, wasted his season for nothing. This automatically affected his performance in recent youth tournament and created question mark in people's mind. Such a technique center, great hands and good shooting skill. It is must that he has to take minutes this season. He scooped up that U-18 MVP on purpose, needs to prove it.

8. Enes Berkay Taşkıran (97): He had a great youth tournament and came into prominence suddenly. Nobody including me has expected this development from him, but he indicated what kind of a great and different talent he is. We will lack a good penetrating guard after Güler's retirement so maybe he can fill his absence. He will get some minutes in Beşiktaş this year. Such a heart-warming talent.

9. Okben Ulubay (96): Maybe the only pure talent along with Korkmaz and plus he star light himself. However, he hasn't played good in previous youth tournaments except few games. In some parts of games, he showed he is top notch prospect but he is too inconsistent. I am afraid, another Semih Erden character player is coming.

10. Berk Uğurlu (96): The only PG in my top 10 list. Agile and good fast break finisher. Passing skill is above average but the way he is playing is so fit with modern basketball. Like Geçim, he should practice his shooting skill day n night.

Those players are closer to that success line. At least their potentials are showing it. I expect the rest may get into this list in near future. Özmızrak, Al, Birsen, Duran, Koşut, Havsa, Avşar, Atar, Gazi, Akyüz, Arar, Ülker, Arslan and many many talents can leap themselves forward. Those players can reach their maximum providing that the quality minutes in rotation. Therefore they should go and play in lower class teams to get a chance to play.

I expect those players to play
-around 20 and +20 minutes this season in high level and low level teams in senior level: Osman, Bitim (Pertevniyal), Arna (FB B team), Yuırtseven (FB B team) and Birsen
-between 15 and 20 minutes: Korkmaz
-between 10 and 15 minutes: Özmızrak, Geçim, Sipahi and Güven
-between 5 and 10 minutes: Koşut, Taşkıran and Uğurlu (I hope he will be loaned, this amount of minutes is so less for him)

I hope they get their head screwed on right, will see good examples in front of them and will accept to be loaned low profile teams to sake of their careers.
 
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I hope they get their head screwed on right, will see good examples in front of them and will accept to be loaned low profile teams to sake of their careers.

Great Post "slice me nice".
I am really hopeful from every name you mentioned.
I want TBF in coordination with their clubs to hire personal trainers (if required from abroad) to develop their games and physical status.
Also high quality mentors to these players.
If you don't invest on these star potentials you won't gain anything.

There is another idea - TBF can form a team who are U20 (loan the players from the clubs with their agreement)
Then this team can participate on TBL (which is now Vivident Super League) or First Division. I would prefer them playing against big boys. Here is my possible player selections for this team:

PG: Berk Ugurlu - Omer Utku Al -Enis Sipahi - Dogus Ozdemiroglu - Cavit Ege Havsa
SG: Onuralp Bitim - Enes Taskiran - Ogulcan Baykan - Yigit Arslan - Muhaymin Mustafa
SF: Okben Ulubay - Egehan Arna - Baris Ulker
PF: Metecan Birsen - Ege Arar - Berk Demir - Mert Celep
C: Ayberk Olmaz - Omer Faruk Yurtseven - Ahmet Duran

IMO bold ones should be the 12 men rotation. Where they can average between 15-25 mpg.
I didn't pick players like Furkan Korkmaz, Tolga Gecim, Egemen Guven, Kartal Ozmizrak, Emircan Kosut (only Turkish Player on Efes Roster for PF/C positions) because I believe they will have good amount of playing time.
 
@Efesdxb, That project would work on these generation but we need to admit, it is just an utopia.

Most of the teams want to keep their young talents to extend their rotations. Except few conscious teams, the rest doesn't care the importance of player developments and want to save the present more than future. Instead of getting some aged players that their current abilities are equal to young ones, they keep young players whose potential is at maximum and they turn their potentials down to a point. Unfortunately, most of the teams are not aware of if they loan these players, they will get maximum benefit from these guys in long term plans. Except Efes, Daçka and maybe Fenerbahçe, none of those top teams have a goal. Actually it is simple, if you don't have enough money, you can't make enough investment on money. Therefore you should spend some amount of money on youth setup. Maybe you reap the fruits of your efforts soon but day to day you will be competitive enough with the talents that you have raised. I can't understand some teams. They have no money to spend but still, they don't see the youth setup as the life saver. It doesn't cost much. You get the maximum benefit with the minimum cost. Anadolu Efes is rich enough but they understand basketball. They have established the biggest youth setup of Turkey some time ago. Plus, they are searching for players in Balkans and Turkic countries. If they want, they transfer the best player but they rather to raise the best within their system. I am glad the development of Efes' way of viewing for basketball. To sum up, every club thinks different, that's why applying this stuff is so hard with this way.

Also, players' agents don't show the right path for their players. The only concern of them is making money hand over fist. They don't care prospects career plan. It is again the vision of people. Instead of getting 20K for now, make him play in NBA and get millions. Since the players are dissuaded by agents, they think that warming the bench in top team is more valuable thing than playing in lower class team as a good role player. The quality of training facilities and the quality of teammates matter but come on even TB2L almost have the same quality with most of the European leagues. Go and play. For example Berk Uğurlu had rejected the offer of Eskişehir Basket last season. Then Eskişehir loaned Kartal Özmızrak and he did great job there, took his place in final 12 in NT. You can't develop yourself without taking quality minutes. Uğurlu chose to play trash minutes there (that he couldn't have even played trash min in Fenerbahçe) while Özmızrak was playing in lower class team by taking a good role. What has happened then? Uğurlu wasted his potential, Özmızrak gain huge self confidence and ready to get minutes from Dettman this season. You can teach how to pass, shoot, dribble, rebound or block but vision is different thing. Players who have not enough goals can waste themselves. Therefore as you have stated, we need to force them to do something if we don't want to lose them. Under these circumstances and rules, it is hard to apply this project on them. If TBF can be determined about this project, that would be so helpful for them to reach their maximum potentials.

Actually I think it would be nice if these guys play in foreign league like Adriatic League. A club should be established who will play in foreign league just to avoid those possible thoughts that club is bide by TBF. This team should find a good sponsorship to afford the current contracts of players. As I said, not all clubs won't allow their players go but prospects from lower class of teams are more likely to attend this team since the monetary support can mean more for those clubs. We may add few foreign prospects too, that would be awesome project. Actually, that one was thought by the federation but nothing happened. We should think this seriously. Playing in foreign league against many cult teams will be really good. Maybe it is just an utopia but action time, these players need to be developed.
 
Berk Demir (97 born from Anadolu Efes's feeder club Pertevniyal) had good stats at Federation Cup. 30 mins, 21,6 pts, 6,8 rbd, 1 bl. Pretty good stats for him.
 
Berk Demir (97 born from Anadolu Efes's feeder club Pertevniyal) had good stats at Federation Cup. 30 mins, 21,6 pts, 6,8 rbd, 1 bl. Pretty good stats for him.

He is '95 born. I am pretty amazed by his stats. He dropped 37 points and grabbed 11 rebounds against the strongest team of TBL, Acıbadem. That's a good sign, he has developed himself. He is not an elite prospect but if he can keep it up like that, we will get a good role player. We desperately need a PF as a nation. After Ilyasova's retirement, there will be a crisis in this position unless the PF prospect don't end up the points that we expect.
 
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