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According to TBF website, Turkey's U19 World Cup roster:
Berke Buyuktuncel - Bugra Cal - Ege Tan Yildizoglu - Emir Arda Sivas - Emre Melih Tunca - Eray Buyukcangaz - Karahan Tuan Efeoglu - Kerem Kuthan Konan - Mehmet Efe Demirel - Ozgur Cengiz - Samet Yigitoglu - Yigit Hamza Mestoglu
What do you think about?
Berke Buyuktuncel - Bugra Cal - Ege Tan Yildizoglu - Emir Arda Sivas - Emre Melih Tunca - Eray Buyukcangaz - Karahan Tuan Efeoglu - Kerem Kuthan Konan - Mehmet Efe Demirel - Ozgur Cengiz - Samet Yigitoglu - Yigit Hamza Mestoglu
What do you think about?
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There are no surprises in the roster. The first game against Argentina will be the game that determines our fate in the tournament. If we win, the difficulty level of the games until the quarter-finals won't be too high. From this perspective, if we achieve a possible victory in the first game, I expect the players to deliver better performances in the subsequent games. Nonetheless, regardless of the results, there are three points that need to be considered regarding the players in this tournament.
1) Will Buyuktuncel demonstrate a balance between defense and offense and prove to be a clear NBA prospect?
2) Will at least one member of the '05 generation trio (Cengiz - Tunca - Sivas) give the impression that they can take charge of the PG position in NT in the future?
3) Will Mestoglu and Yigitoglu make a breakthrough and send a strong message for the upcoming season?
If the answer to at least two of these questions is yes at the end of the tournament, it would be a significant achievement for Turkish basketball. The U-19 World Cup is the most closely followed international youth basketball championship by international scouts (not by Turkish or foreign amateurs playing scouting roles on social media, but by NBA scouts). All players need to give their best and show their full potential. Buyuktuncel is still riding the wave of hype he generated in last season's U-18 championship. Creating a similar excitement in the U-19 tournament will open the door to the NBA for him.
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https://twitter.com/canpekerpekcan/status/1671886848971640833
Derin Can Ustun, Kaan Onat and Omer Kutluay what 3 (combo) guard prospects. If we fail them too I am sure that we wont ever raise any guards to the highest level.
Derin Can Ustun, Kaan Onat and Omer Kutluay what 3 (combo) guard prospects. If we fail them too I am sure that we wont ever raise any guards to the highest level.
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This is another point turkish bb, media, fans etc. are not able to figure out what is important in a U-tournament, not the team, the players are important. Especially at this age group the best thing is if the player shines who has the closest potential to reach a good level in senior bb and that is at this stage of course Berke Buyuktuncel. I would put Samet Yigitoglu & Eray Buyukcangaz to the top too. Eray Buyukcangaz is still an important prospect for turkish bb, turkish bb lacks PG and a perimeter player who can score and create for others. Eray can score, create for others and can play even some PG. If a PG would shine, that would be great, especially if it is Melih Tunca, although he has no chance to play high level senior bb next season in his organization. A comeback of Kerem Konan would be great too, this is still youth bb, before 15 month he was on a great way but later again a bad move from a turkish player and his manager. No matter what the tournament will be for Mestoglu, he has a place in senior bb.
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Biberovic gets drafted! Some hope for Turkey's perimeter. Probably about to have brake out season in EL next season, more or less (if given a chance).
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It is a surprise indeed but it means not much. He has deep defensive flaws he needs to face but he needs to play as well. Thats the reason why he should leave FB and try to carry a low segment BSL team by himself. This draft is no reason to cheer for him or for to us.
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What a final between Efes and Bahcesehir. I dont want to write about the game why Efes lost and Bahcesehir won etc. I couldnt care less about the result. I just loved watching Kaan Onat and especially Derin Can Ustun.
Derin is really able to create his shot in any situation and his shot looks so smooth. In addition to that he is also able to absorb contact and finish at the rim or pass. He got tired in the last minutes of the game and I am also not very pleased with some shot selections but for me he looks like a legit NBA prospect for now at least. I really luv his game and his talent and there are no flaws in his game like Furkan Korkmaz on the defensive end for instance. On top of the offensive talent he brings a good feeling for rebounds and he can secure the ball very well.
Derin is really able to create his shot in any situation and his shot looks so smooth. In addition to that he is also able to absorb contact and finish at the rim or pass. He got tired in the last minutes of the game and I am also not very pleased with some shot selections but for me he looks like a legit NBA prospect for now at least. I really luv his game and his talent and there are no flaws in his game like Furkan Korkmaz on the defensive end for instance. On top of the offensive talent he brings a good feeling for rebounds and he can secure the ball very well.
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I haven't followed turkish B-Ball in a while but am trying to get back into it. Am I correct in thinking that from the 2002/2003 generation and after we are starting to produce one or two very good prospects per generation? I was never a fan of the successful 1995-2000 generations because you could tell they were mostly 12 "solid" players but very few high level individual prospects despite the 15 medals or whatnot. I feel like the 2003-2008 generations might not be as successful but we could actually get more high level players out of those generations, or am I wrong?
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It will be interesting summer for Turkish basketball. 3 players in NBA summer league, a must win qualifying tournament, potential medal in u19 WC and exciting 07 generation in u16 tournament.
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TurkfromGermany2
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It would be great for this forum if you again start following turkish prospects. We know each other from old german forum very well. The level of the 95-00 and the 02-07 generations are almost same. Turkish bb doesnt try to produce star prospects, its all about luck......
I hope turkish media, coaches realises what happens if you have talent like Omer Kutluay, Derin Can Ustun, Kaan Onat. The difference between Derin Can, Kaan and Okben, Furkan Korkmaz, Onuralp is very simple and easy. Furkan & Onuralp were almost just scorers without the ability to know how to play a game like a balldominant player, you can turn such a player into a player from year to year who knows very well how to ball but this must come step by step, with a plan and exactly this is not given in Turkiye. Today Derin Can would eating both U16 Furkan & Onuralp up, same would do Kaan with both too if he had a normal day. Im not saying both are better prospects as the U16 Furkan & Onuralp(for this, we must wait until international competition), im just saying both are more the type of players turkish bb ever lacks. Balldominant player with creating for himself and others, with 1v1 and really knows how to ball.
Derin Can had 3 bad moments at the end of the game, 2 to and one bad decision, he was a bit too much ballhog too but important is his talent, he is still a kid. Again we saw what it means if a player is a good 1v1 player, Derin Can demonstrated it again great in important moments of the game. His combination of ballhandling, vision, his PnR talent, his 1v1 ability and scoring makes him so great, im really surprised that most people wrote about his shot but not about the other clear advantages, those advantages are much bigger plus for him at this stage because your shot could be total different in 2 years.
Kaan doesnt forced the game and started do this later but he never find his rhythm. You must handle both total different. I will write in the next days..........
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I am quite satisfied with the overall score and individual performances, even though the gameplay in the first two games may not have been ideal. Today, I believe that the Korean team's style of play didn't suit us and our team seemed to be playing at a lower intensity with the thought of we get the game at one point. It's important not to get caught up in unnecessary criticisms. Buyuktuncel's performance in the past two games has been really impressive, especially in defense. However, his tendency to be overly sharing in the offense and lack of aggression again in offense are currently standing out, but this perception can easily change as the tournament progresses and we face tougher opponents. It is crucial for our team's system to involve him in the offense by getting the ball in his hands at least once. He is unquestionably the leader of the team, and during moments of uncertainty, he consistently finds the right guy even in traffic. I am very pleased with his performance.
Furthermore, we should utilize Yigitoglu more in the upcoming matches. As a big man who has experienced the physicality of the BSL, the first two games were relatively easy for him. He clearly dominated the inside. Of course, it would be better to see him against the quality rotations of stronger teams. It is currently difficult to make a definitive statement about the performances of the guards, but their physical limitations are quite noticeable even at this level. They will need to put a lot of effort into improving their physicality to elevate their skills to higher levels.
Furthermore, we should utilize Yigitoglu more in the upcoming matches. As a big man who has experienced the physicality of the BSL, the first two games were relatively easy for him. He clearly dominated the inside. Of course, it would be better to see him against the quality rotations of stronger teams. It is currently difficult to make a definitive statement about the performances of the guards, but their physical limitations are quite noticeable even at this level. They will need to put a lot of effort into improving their physicality to elevate their skills to higher levels.
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Buyuktuncel will have to carry the U20 team too and then NT camp awaits. I cant blame him for not being so demanding on the offensive end.
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According to the changing rule of FIBA, a player can participate in a maximum of 2 FIBA tournaments during one summer. Consequently, even if he attends the U-20 NT, he won't be able to be included in the final roster of the senior NT. Considering the current circumstances, I would like him to be a part of the senior NT. I hope they won't make the mistake of letting him play for the U-20 NT. Playing in two consecutive underage international tournaments wouldn't contribute much to his development. Where we need is him in the senior NT. Let Batin Tuna to play in his position in U-20 instead of him.
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Yeah, I remember, if this includes the NT too I am also for it but it means the U20 will face huge problems since without Buyuktuncel we are not able to create offense.
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I agree, I even think he possibly could play around 10-15 minutes because his skillset is something we don't have on this team(especially his defense). Last year saybir didn't play for the whole year with efes but got some minutes on the NT because of his skillset so I think we should definitely include buyuktuncel on our final roster
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I don't have high expectations for the U-20 team, but I don't believe we will encounter the problems that have been said. It is true that we faced difficulties in the first two games without a doubt, and I agree on that. However, in terms of overall talent, I believe that the '04 generation will take on the key roles in the U-20 team, and they have the potential to comfortably reach at least the QF. Some roles will also be solidified based on their performances in the U-19 championship. U-20 may be the reference tournament of Yigitoglu.
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No surprise, turkish team is again the only team where the roles are not clear(except 1 player). Blowout, semifinal, this is all bullshit if your target players dont shine. Turkish bb must learn this ******. Allways the same *****. If Efeoglu shines, this is zero for turkish bb, your target players must shine. If Tunca is in game then he is the perimeter who must set the offense. One of the biggest weapons of Konan & Buyuktuncel is to bring the ball after rebound but in the first 2 games(havent seen the 3rd game) we couldnt see that. 2018(U14) coach Dogan said in this generation everyone will bring the ball but 5 years later we couldnt see that
. And Yildizoglu is the biggest shame of turkish youth bb.
. And Yildizoglu is the biggest shame of turkish youth bb.
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After winning all four games and securing a spot in the quarter-finals as expected, I have observed some noteworthy points following the first four games. The quality of our opponents in these games was considerably low, and we didn't face much difficulty except in the Korea game partly. The upcoming games will serve as crucial reference games for our players. Their performance against tough opponents will be highly determining.
Here are some points that caught my attention after the first four games, which I would like to share:
Here are some points that caught my attention after the first four games, which I would like to share:
- When initiating fast breaks, we seem to struggle in making the right decisions, especially when the ball is under Sivas' control. We experienced several instances of ball losses in positions that could have been easily finished. It requires a player with excellent passing quality and good decision skills to distribute the ball effectively in fast breaks, which we haven't seen in Sivas yet. Our fast breaks could be much effective.
- Buyuktuncel lacks sufficient decisiveness when driving inside. By being a physical player, he should make better use of his advantage in lay-ups. He tends to focus too much on passing lanes when penetrating the defense. To become a more prominent prospect, he must increase his offensive volume and make moves towards the basket relentlessly. His hesitant play in offense has been the subject of most criticism towards him.
- It is a positive development to see Mestoglu's perimeter threat emerging. Considering the current team structure and his disadvantage in size, evolving into a SF seems like the only solution for a successful senior-level basketball career. There is still a significant potential in him.
- Yildizoglu takes on more responsibility than necessary, but he is one of the players who are not afraid to compete in the team. I am satisfied with his performance. Although his talent profile may not be suitable for top-level basketball, I predict that he will have a decent career as a professional player. He is not an unwilling and physically inferior player like Buyukcangaz. He has paid well the most of the playing time he has received so far in this team. We will see how he performs against stronger opponents though.
- I believe Yigitoglu's offensive repertoire needs to be throughly evaluated by a good coach. This will make him a much more serious threat as a player that comes into prominence with his size. I think that his performance is not bad, but with some adjustments, he can transform into a much better player. If Alimpijevic signs with Besiktas, it will benefit Yigitoglu the most.
- I think the team put unnecessary pressure on opponents in the first four games. I don't know how many times the defensive balance was disrupted due to attempts to steal the ball. It is not necessary at all. Staying in front of the opponent will allow us to achieve better results defensively. The unnecessary aggressiveness in Sivas and Cengiz's defense disturbed our defensive organization significantly.
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Either he has again a low confident phase or he just is too unmotivated against weak opponents. His defense is superb but we are unnecessarily closing the paint too much and cant grab easy rebounds. Another point is our struggle against the zone defense.
The best guard with the best offense - defense ratio is Melih Tunca. I have liked his defense so far and he has really the highest offensive potential and he was confident in everything he has been doing.