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Turkish Prospects

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Actually I dont know what to think of Mestoglu tbh. The only thing thats great is his strength and his creation from the post but this is by far not enough if he wants to play in higher levels and he even struggles finishing around the rim due to his length.

Büyüktuncel and Konan are two very useful PF prospects and Konan is turning more and more to a real power forward. Büyüktuncel will reach the next levels just because of his defense but he is also not a bad offensive player. Not an efficient finisher but enough upside.

Konan really looks like he could play serious minutes in BSL. Great rebounder, good three point shooter if you create for him something and good low post creator and he even carry the ball after getting the rebound. I luv him

Büyükcangaz reminds me of Furkan Korkmaz being passive in one game and 20 points scorer in another game. I need him to see with a stronger body finishing at the rim then everything is possible. There are rumors Selcuk Ernak wants him badly.
 
If player is not involved in the key rotation then often you can't expect good performance from those players. This is the problem of Hamza Mestoglu(yes his height/length hurts him badly but he knows how to play, character is big plus, best character in this team and he can play SF too), Kerem Konan, Eray Büyükcangaz. If you have a player like Eray Büyükcangaz then you must give him the role as scorer & creator, especially if you have a bum like Ege Tan Yildizoglu. Yildizoglu and Büyüktuncel have freedom and can do anything. Kerem Konan has much better ballhandling as Büyüktuncel but we can´t see drives from him,
Kerem played several games as PG in youth league but in this team his place is very small because of coach. We can´t see even see his postmoves, his biggest strength at this stage(he struggled at this yesterday but). Since this season Büyüktuncel didn´t proctecting the rim, very interesting, he was above average at this. Tofas is a big bum club.

1 game here, 1 game there, i never react after a couple of games or after 1 tournament. Those are kids. I react just for bums like Ege Tan Yildizoglu, i know him since his days in Efes´ U13 team(in 2017 was a U13 league and even a U13 turkish championship). It shocks me that on Twitter some people are very big fans of him after his performances. Not his performance is the problem, his talent is the problem, he has no quality. He is just an untalented player. Not his overweight or his shot is his biggest problem, biggest problem is that he has no talent.

Disappointing performance of Samet Yigitoglu, biggest problem what he showed here is that he is not able to finish against the contact of these kids, big problem. We already knew that he doesn´t know how to play.
 
The problem is not Samet Yigitoglu, the problem is that we cant make any shots (except Konan). In those tournaments the teams always lock down the paint and Yigitoglu is not a natural grabber and he had some positioning issues but it was clear that he is very raw in his current state.

Disappointing are our play maker. Not only they are not making shots they also struggle making plays and I also dont agree that Yildizoglu is free of talent. He just cant score and he is indeed pretty much useless if this doesnt change.
 
Büyüktuncel is just at different level among his teammates. Though I like Konan and Mestoğlu a lot, Büyüktuncel should be one of the few guys that are touted as target players for NT. His upside is just too high, noone shall block out his career, especially Tofas staff.

He has great size for his position, but he is not a PF who is just a strong, physical brute. His contribution from perimeter is valuable and I like his terms with ball aswell. Unlike Konan, he is not dependent to others to find his shot. Not the best creative guy, but shooting off the dribble with couple of moves is more than enough. The segment that he should improve in his game is post-up combos. He relies upon his shot more than he should, while posting up instead going physical through basket.

Rebound + Defense + Perimeter contribution are in the pocket already. The more will come if he can find solid minutes in his club or somewhere else. We have 3 target players in three successive generations. '02 with Şengün, '03 with Bona and '04 with Büyüktuncel.

Lastly, I believe that if Büyüktuncel would have been Serbian or Spanish, his team would already pave his way for his bright career. The kid is a gem, there is no single player who has the same game-style as him in European '04 generation pool. We must know his value.
 
Unlike Konan, he is not dependent to others to find his shot.

This is correct but he is not efficient enough. I am totally with you if he does but right now I am with Konan who is the more polished player even though Büyüktuncel has more upside.
 
@slice me nice, i see the most of your views about Büyüktuncel in the same way but for me there are 2-3 big differences. Again, it´s a huge difference if a player is the target-player of the coach(he is since U16 for Fikret Dogan) and has the freedom. Berke has too big up and downs in his seasons, sometimes he is for 3-4 months at very bad rhythm. He benefits for example from his wildness like Cedi Osman and this will be one of his biggest weapons at the next stages of his career but he even showed us that he is very passive in the offense at some stages of the season. I see as biggest problem for him his club Tofas.

@Toruko, since when has Berke more upside as Kerem Konan for you? since slice me nice´s post? This was the first serious bb-season of Kerem Konan, and first time real part of this team, this kid has very small bb-background. Most likely he will make a big mistake and go to ABA2, if he will stay in Besiktas, then he has the chance for a big season.

@Toruko, i didn´t say Samet Yigitoglu is the problem. For me team success is zero important, i have no interest in this part. Samet Yigitoglu can´t finish with contact, this is the problem. If team wins or loses, this is not important.
 
@Toruko, since when has Berke more upside as Kerem Konan for you? since slice me nice´s post? This was the first serious bb-season of Kerem Konan, and first time real part of this team, this kid has very small bb-background. Most likely he will make a big mistake and go to ABA2, if he will stay in Besiktas, then he has the chance for a big season.

The case between Konan and Büyüktuncel is Büyüktuncel showed more versatility and Konan more readiness. Konan is a gem just without showing anything else above mentioned. If he shows development creating for himself he is a strong NBA draft candidate anyway but he didnt show much of it right now.

@Toruko, i didn´t say Samet Yigitoglu is the problem. For me team success is zero important, i have no interest in this part. Samet Yigitoglu can´t finish with contact, this is the problem. If team wins or loses, this is not important.

Yeah he has some coordination problems. Less than Bona but he is very raw. Despite being raw he is very useful if you can stretch the floor and feed him with balls. Its not a problem that cant be solved. He needs time.
 
From what I'm seeing right now most of them are unable to finish any easy ball. Kerem Konan seems like the best prospect
 
@slice me nice, i see the most of your views about Büyüktuncel in the same way but for me there are 2-3 big differences. Again, it´s a huge difference if a player is the target-player of the coach(he is since U16 for Fikret Dogan) and has the freedom. Berke has too big up and downs in his seasons, sometimes he is for 3-4 months at very bad rhythm. He benefits for example from his wildness like Cedi Osman and this will be one of his biggest weapons at the next stages of his career but he even showed us that he is very passive in the offense at some stages of the season. I see as biggest problem for him his club Tofas.

@Toruko, since when has Berke more upside as Kerem Konan for you? since slice me nice´s post? This was the first serious bb-season of Kerem Konan, and first time real part of this team, this kid has very small bb-background. Most likely he will make a big mistake and go to ABA2, if he will stay in Besiktas, then he has the chance for a big season.

@Toruko, i didn´t say Samet Yigitoglu is the problem. For me team success is zero important, i have no interest in this part. Samet Yigitoglu can´t finish with contact, this is the problem. If team wins or loses, this is not important.

He was actually consistent in BGL. In which period of last year he had been out of rhytym for 3-4 months? I followed him closely and he showed constant versatility during season.

I agree him being passive on offense though. There are shots that he shall make, yet he goes extra passes or drives onto crowd on painted area. Decision making is problematic, but this is due to he didn't play enough high-level games. I want to see him in a TBL team where he can get at least 25 minutes. It is not likely Tofas will give him enough minutes.
 
The U-16 team is in Macedonia to play preparation games with Spain, Macedonia and Israel. We lost the first game against Israel by 83-58 (Kara 15, Doğan 7, Aksu 5). We are full roster, unacceptable. Almost every opponent in preparation period had walking in the park type of games against our team.

This '06 generation is among the worst ones we ever had. Demir Doğan should have focused on his basketball, instead of finding ways to escape from Beşiktaş. The kid doesn't have one single good game in 7 games played since the beginning of summer. He is totally out of shape, leave alone being the best Turkish prospect, he is barely in Top-10 for me if he continues to display low performances in U-16 EC aswell. This kid's family and agent eat him up. After a wasted season in shitty Macedonian team's second team, he is having problems with his contracted team and now we all see the outcome. Turning into garbage more and more because of non-basketball issues flying around him.

He can be a special player, I don't want to cross his name out, but he should cease all the negativity around him and start to focus on his game immediately. He is a rare gift. I don't expect much from him in the official tournament, but few glimpses that give hope for the future wouldn't be bad.
 
For now Konan is the more ready player in this team. Konan really is a teamplayer who hustles in both defense and offense. He resembles a bit like Cedi's playstyle. Berke probably has a higher ceiling (especially offensively).

Apart from that we can write-off Yigitoglu, he is unfortunately as dumb as Semih Erden, totally no basketball IQ, which can be seen on both sides of the floor.

We almost lost the match due to our coach. Cant believe that he keeps playing Yigitoglu many minutes in all games, wbile Kerem was sitting almost the whole game against Lithuania, unbelievable.

Finally Tan Yildizoglu also does not deserve to be on this team..
 
IZMIR (Turkey) – FIBA U18 European Championship hosts Turkey made the Semi-Finals of the tournament thanks, in great part, to their stifling defense that was at full display in the Round of 16 contest against Lithuania, when they forced 28 turnovers and held their opponents to just 61 points.

Leading the way for Turkey is Berke Buyuktuncel, the most highly-touted prospect in the team and a key player for them on both ends of the floor. FIBA contributor Marius Flachenecker uses Buyuktuncel's strong performances in Izmir as an opportunity to break down his game.

OFFENSE – MAKINGS OF A SKILLED ROLE PLAYER

Offensively, Buyuktuncel primarily excels at driving to the rim. He's not explosive or shifty enough to consistently create shots for himself like a guard, but he can effectively attack the basket running off screens, against closeouts and in transition. For a 2.06m forward, he moves fluidly, can attack to either side and regularly creates good shots at the basket.

In proximity to the rim he displays the ability to finish with either hand, converting several contested layups throughout the tournament, and also has the vertical leap for the occasional big dunk. Beyond his scoring ability, he also shows good passing vision on his drives. He reads help defenders quickly and finds the open man with remarkable regularity for a player his size.

Still, Buyuktuncel lacks the ability to consistently create in pick-and-roll or in isolations, so he's reliant on defenses respecting his shot to get to the basket. To reach his full potential as a player, the forward needs to draw hard closeouts once he reaches his prime.

So far, the Turkish forward has not been known as a shooter. Prior to the tournament, he shot 23-of-96 (24 percent) from three through various competitions in the 2021-22 season. In Izmir, however, he's been more consistent, knocking down 7-of-17 (41.2 percent) threes up until the Semi-Finals.

While this sample size is too small to conclude he's made a massive jump as a shooter, it's certainly a positive sign. Buyuktuncel has not only been efficient from downtown, but he's also actively looking for his shot, lets it fly with confidence and has even knocked down several impressive jumpers off movement.

Ultimately, there's still work to do for Buyuktuncel to reach his potential, but he has the makings of a good complementary player at a high European level, who knocks down spot-up threes and makes plays for himself and others, mainly attacking off the catch and in transition.

DEFENSE – A SWITCHABLE PASSING LANE NIGHTMARE

Defensively, Buyuktuncel is at his best, as he currently ranks second in steals in the whole tournament and has gotten plenty of key stops throughout the past week. On the ball, the big forward shows the potential to defend almost any perimeter player in the competition. While he's not been entirely consistent – occasionally, opponents were able to blow by him, because he went into the matchup off-balance - he's had good possessions on many guards, wings and forwards.

At this level, he can comfortably defend three to four positions, and he has the mobility, the footwork and ability to read his matchups for this skill to translate to professional basketball. It wouldn't surprise anyone if he adequately defended at least 2-through-4 in EuroLeague in his prime.

Off the ball, Buyuktuncel has been a nightmare for opponents in passing lanes. He has great court vision and anticipation, punishing opponents for throwing lazy passes over and over again. This has been key for a Turkey squad that has struggled to score in the halfcourt but has outscored opponents in points-off-turnovers in four of five games so far, including a huge 30-to-11 difference in this stat category against Lithuania.

As a help defender around the basket, Buyuktuncel has been passable but not quite as effective as someone with his tools could be. At times, he's been late for rotations, and he takes long to elevate off the floor, which makes it hard for him to deliver timely shot contests.

Nevertheless, Buyuktuncel has been a standout performer on the defensive end, and this end of the floor will remain his bread and butter when he reaches the pro level. He's a versatile on and off ball defender and has also been excellent on the defensive glass, where he boxes out diligently and regularly rises above opponents for impressive boards

OUTLOOK

Berke Buyuktuncel is the type of player every team needs and wants. He impacts the game in many ways, doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective but can also do positive things when he does have the ball. He still has plenty of room to improve the consistency of his skills, especially that of his jump shot, but it's easy to see the versatile forward at least playing at the highest club level in Europe as well as a key performer for the Turkish senior national team in his prime.

https://www.fiba.basketball/europe/...-berke-buyuktuncel-turkey-s-lockdown-defender
 
He was actually consistent in BGL. In which period of last year he had been out of rhytym for 3-4 months? I followed him closely and he showed constant versatility during season.

I agree him being passive on offense though. There are shots that he shall make, yet he goes extra passes or drives onto crowd on painted area. Decision making is problematic, but this is due to he didn't play enough high-level games. I want to see him in a TBL team where he can get at least 25 minutes. It is not likely Tofas will give him enough minutes.

His bad period started in 2021 with the ANGT tournament(probably February) until end of the 2021 season but he was very good in Summer 2021 European Challengers(probably we can see here the affects of the good connection of coach with his player). He started the season 2022 very good but then he got zero minutes in Tofas A team and then played for the youth team of Tofas and there just at decent level. A player like Berke must dominate a league like BGL and his team was one of the worst. In the AGNT tournament 2022 he was even worst as last year. You can see in 2022 he had again his 3-4 bad months like 2021. We can see again a bad organization from a turkish team. Tofas has a team in the second division and this kid Berke Büyüktuncel didn´t played there, played for the A team for zero minutes und then unmotivated for the youth team for the rest of the season. For the next season, second division would be the best for him, real mpg + real role is much better as even 12mpg and no role in first division.
 
The U-16 team is in Macedonia to play preparation games with Spain, Macedonia and Israel. We lost the first game against Israel by 83-58 (Kara 15, Doğan 7, Aksu 5). We are full roster, unacceptable. Almost every opponent in preparation period had walking in the park type of games against our team.

This '06 generation is among the worst ones we ever had. Demir Doğan should have focused on his basketball, instead of finding ways to escape from Beşiktaş. The kid doesn't have one single good game in 7 games played since the beginning of summer. He is totally out of shape, leave alone being the best Turkish prospect, he is barely in Top-10 for me if he continues to display low performances in U-16 EC aswell. This kid's family and agent eat him up. After a wasted season in shitty Macedonian team's second team, he is having problems with his contracted team and now we all see the outcome. Turning into garbage more and more because of non-basketball issues flying around him.

He can be a special player, I don't want to cross his name out, but he should cease all the negativity around him and start to focus on his game immediately. He is a rare gift. I don't expect much from him in the official tournament, but few glimpses that give hope for the future wouldn't be bad.

Good reaction from the team in second and third game. Beat Macedonia with 78-59 (Doğan 15 points), Spain with 71-64 (Doğan 19, Aksu 13). You see it is different as day and night when Doğan starts balling. The kid means everything for this drought generation. Hope he keeps it up!
 
I watched a lot of game of Doğan this season. Generally I support the decision to go to lower level league and play against grown men. But the problem in Doğan's situation is that he played off-ball almost all season. Never take responsibility. This makes his decision meaningless. He waited on corner all season and now he has crucial role in NT. Maybe he needs some adoption time. I believe he gets better and better after every game.
 
The U-16 team is in Macedonia to play preparation games with Spain, Macedonia and Israel. We lost the first game against Israel by 83-58 (Kara 15, Doğan 7, Aksu 5). We are full roster, unacceptable. Almost every opponent in preparation period had walking in the park type of games against our team.

This '06 generation is among the worst ones we ever had. Demir Doğan should have focused on his basketball, instead of finding ways to escape from Beşiktaş. The kid doesn't have one single good game in 7 games played since the beginning of summer. He is totally out of shape, leave alone being the best Turkish prospect, he is barely in Top-10 for me if he continues to display low performances in U-16 EC aswell. This kid's family and agent eat him up. After a wasted season in shitty Macedonian team's second team, he is having problems with his contracted team and now we all see the outcome. Turning into garbage more and more because of non-basketball issues flying around him.

He can be a special player, I don't want to cross his name out, but he should cease all the negativity around him and start to focus on his game immediately. He is a rare gift. I don't expect much from him in the official tournament, but few glimpses that give hope for the future wouldn't be bad.


The results of this 06 generation are the worst we saw ever but we can´t call a generation with Demir Dogan, Yagiz Aksu, Ege Akcay as a weak generation, what matters is always only potential. I watched the Croatia game last week, Demir Dogan scored 17 points but played like shit, he did nothing, he showed zero interest. He just doesn´t playing bb, maybe this was yesterday different and will be in the U16 EC as well different. Oguz Kaan Yarkut(SG/SF, Cankaya Ankara) is an interesting prospect too. Eren Karakaya(PF, Besiktas) is interesting too but not in team, maybe he is injured.
 
Samet Yiğitoğlu had a bad tournament overall. Couple of good games against weak opponents don't count at all. NBA possibility is too hard for him, he didn't show anything special expect few flashy footworks. The things that he took away from team game when he is on floor overweighted the things he brought off heavily. The team was mostly at minus when we insisted upon his post-up games. He appeared to struggle against the physical guys. He was be thrown off by Almansa and Krivas, they totally outplayed him. I also didn't like his feel for the game one more time. He forces too much when there is a crowd in painted area. He needs to play a lot of games to improve his area control. Starting to playing basketball at relatively old age strikes him a lot with his decision making. He still doesn't know when to pass, when to react, when to force.

Few positives in his game, it can be said he has diverse range of post-up moves, he showed offense is improvable in time and size is adequate to have a place in high level basketball if he can overcome few of the problems I mentioned above. Realistic forecast is being starter in mid-tier Turkish team. I was expecting a stronger performance from him. Basketball has changed and old-school bigs' importance bottoms out and if these type of players can't be too dominant with the way they play, top level basketball can only be dream for them.

This incoming season will be decisive for his career path. Hope he turns this account.
 
Samet Yigitoglu indeed had a bad tournament overall but we dont need him to take over right now. He has the tools to become a proper center in Europe. I think its too early to give him an evaluation right now. He needs to grow in his frame and play more against stronger opponents. The team also couldnt help him stretching the floor. He is effective on one vs one but he causes too many TOs when he has no space and help comes quickly after grabbing the ball. Its also important to give him the ball in the right position.
 
The Ukrainian-Turkish player Misha Mikail Atakan ('08) stands out in this generation. Very crafty, talented guy. His terms with ball is already great. Due to his size, he was playing as C in local championships, but even if he doesn't grow height considerably, he can switch to other positions easily. He can beat his opponents one-on-one and has outside shoot (Shooting mechanism is good). I don't assign a position for a growing youth, but I got a great forward vibe from this guy.

I am pleased with what I have seen from this '08 generation so far. So many improvable players. Bahçeşehir College has been doing a good job with its youth setup recently. They invest on right players. Having top-notch Turkish prospects like Üstün ('07) and Atakan ('08) means much for them. Though, Atakan transferred from Beşiktaş last year.
 
The Ukrainian-Turkish player Misha Mikail Atakan ('08) stands out in this generation. Very crafty, talented guy. His terms with ball is already great. Due to his size, he was playing as C in local championships, but even if he doesn't grow height considerably, he can switch to other positions easily. He can beat his opponents one-on-one and has outside shoot (Shooting mechanism is good). I don't assign a position for a growing youth, but I got a great forward vibe from this guy.

I am pleased with what I have seen from this '08 generation so far. So many improvable players. Bahçeşehir College has been doing a good job with its youth setup recently. They invest on right players. Having top-notch Turkish prospects like Üstün ('07) and Atakan ('08) means much for them. Though, Atakan transferred from Beşiktaş last year.

I dont watch kids at that age but watching highlights of him I am really pleased. He looks like a natural talent.
 
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