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Spain, France, Greece and Serbia are now indeed a problem. Those teams are right now favorites but Slovenia and Lithuania dont scare me at all. Not now and in the future not a bit.
Spain, France, Greece and Serbia are now indeed a problem. Those teams are right now favorites but Slovenia and Lithuania dont scare me at all. Not now and in the future not a bit.
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Well, I hear that basically since 2007 when I joined this forum. One or other Turkish fellow always raised the bar for Turkey high prior the tournament and via tournament rankings. But it never pans out. In all these years Turkey failed to establish fundamentally sound team and it doesn't have one now either. But I acknowledge certain improvement. It will be interesting what Sengun will add to the team. But there's no substantial change in the roster and specially basketball culture that you could be treated as anything more than a dark horse.
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Metecan is a total bum. He sleeps half of the game and he is a stupid guy without BB knowledge and the worst he cant shoot. I would take 100 times a 17 year old Kerem Konan than this bum but you are right he will probably be on board.
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https://twitter.com/David23Mutaf/status/1525860635485032449
David Mutaf is a scorer not a shooter and I still have hope hell learn some pick and roll action. It would have been great if he trained with Sloukas but ok
David Mutaf is a scorer not a shooter and I still have hope hell learn some pick and roll action. It would have been great if he trained with Sloukas but ok
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He should learn how to do pump fake, he could be easily blocked in the next level with those shots.
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Sadik Emir Kabaca with 2 very important 3 pointer but this kid is really not ready for the NT what a pity. He has almost everything. Shot, wingspan, defensive contact fast legs but he lacks BBIQ. He really doesnt know whats going on on the court when he defends. Kenan Kuthan Konan is really much further but when he started to deliver he got injured. We solve the problem next season.
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Samet Yigitoglu with 8 points 8 rebounds in 11 minutes in the first game of ANGT finals. Really fluent for a 7'1 center but is still very raw. Depending on how fast he develops NBA upside is there.
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Tarik Biberovic had a very solid game in the playoff last game in Istanbul against Bursa. I always claimed it and I will keep doing it. Talent wise this kid is the best prospect in Europe he just took the wrong path. Amazing offensive potential with 6'7 has still the upside being the better Bogdan Bogdanovic. I love his shot from deep, it looks always smooth, he can put the ball on the floor, he can pass, he can be used as a slasher.
I am sure that hell land in the NBA in some years.
As someone who rejected Bosnia's invitation to play for Turkey I am happy to see that his Turkish is developing. His status in Fiba is not quite clear if he will play for Turkey as a naturalized or not.
Defensively he is a mess right now.
https://twitter.com/tivibuspor/status/1527379711042949122
I am sure that hell land in the NBA in some years.
As someone who rejected Bosnia's invitation to play for Turkey I am happy to see that his Turkish is developing. His status in Fiba is not quite clear if he will play for Turkey as a naturalized or not.
Defensively he is a mess right now.
https://twitter.com/tivibuspor/status/1527379711042949122
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The Nigerian is kinda overrated, physical dominance comparison to his peers, nothing more. I am quite sad to learn the guy from Kyrgyzstan is back home. I thought he could have a room in Efes youth setup cause he seemed a lethal talent to me.
Searching talent in Turkic countries is very important. No talent should be missed. Contrary to popular belief, the volume of player pool in Turkic countries has been rising recently. Go and look the roster of Russian youth teams. You will see some of Turkic guys playing for Russian youth teams.
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If you claim that turkish NT will be one of the top nations then you must come with serious names in the 20´s and not with kids. Other problem is that most of the mentioned names are SF and not PF.
It would be not a huge surprise if Kerem Konan would go in first round in the draft 2023. In first division he played as PF but there was no 2nd PF in team and in practice with the a team and in youth league he was SF and even sometimes PG in youth league. This kid is a special prospect, we have already Demir Dogan as PF and Kerem Konan will developement his ballhandling, shooting and creating if he plays SF, he even showed PnR potential as facilator. And all this even almost without bb background.
Tibet Görener is not tough enough, has not the perfect height for PF and would never ever play PF if he doesn´t move to USA. Almost a lost prospect because of highschool-NCAA......
Big fan of Hamza Mestoglu and like Kerem Konan, he has potential to play both F-positions but even he played much games in Spain this year as SF.
Berke Büyüktuncel´s problem is the bum club Tofas. This club is the biggest joke......
Demir Dogan posted a video from Camp Nou, that means he will play for Barca next season.
The problem is, our PF´s in the 28-27-25´s etc. are all bums. Sadik Kabaca(00) has huge potential, if he develops well in the next 1-2 years we will have finally a great player at 4 and overall we have really many options as prospects but those names are kids therefore we must wait.
Efes lost to Besiktas in the youth league and is out. People think Efes had a bad team. Efes had by far the best team in the league. Not the result is important, talent is important. Efes had even 6-7 serious prospects in team but without motivation you can lose. Efes´s team next year will be fun to watch with Melih Tunca, Ali Hamza Altin, Berkay Dönmez, Mehmet Efe Demirel. Everybody will see what a big G-prospect Melih Tunca is.
Efes won the U16 championship but almost zero interesting players in the 06 generation(Efes had 2 good 07 prospects). Besiktas had 3 good prospects, Yagiz Aksu(G), Berkay Karaisci is a raw very interesting SF. Eren Karakaya an interesting PF. Derin Can Üstün(07) showed why he is best G-prospect of the country.
Ahmet Gürgen(chef of Besiktas youth and former Banvit) will move to Fener, huge upgrade for Fener.
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I just explained SF that there are many options for the future. The truth is that the Turkish NT this summer is already a top 8 candidate and considering how young the team is it can just be better and my post was matched to a condition that if Bona turns out to be the player that I am expecting him to become. I know you have some trouble to explain yourself in English but the point is that we have all reason to be optimistic.
Last but not least these positions SF or PF etc doesnt exist anymore. All of the guys that I mentioned are forwards. If one or the other are not perfected suited who cares? There are many guys and just that counts.
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https://www.eurohoops.net/en/fiba/1350537/the-case-of-samet-yigitoglu-and-besiktas-changes-transfers-of-young-prospects/
Samet Yigitoglu and Demir Dogan are returning to Besiktas Icrypex
Samet Yigitoglu and Demir Dogan are returning to Besiktas Icrypex
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Thank you for the info Slice
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For turkish bb, only goal can be reaching the level of the top nations(Spain, France, Serbia, Lithuania, Slovenia(Doncic), Lithuania hasn't an impressive talent pool but they had more success in the last 10 years as other countries, except 2-3 others) because we have the biggest country in Europe, our federation has by far the biggest budget and the media and social media is full of bb in Turkey. Too reach and stay at this level you need real talent pool, not for 3 years, only goal can be become a real top nation and for this you need real talent pool and you can reach this only with EL. You need real players at EL level. In Turkey, only foreign coaches giving turkish players minutes. Bugrahan Tuncer had his break out under foreign coach. Kemzura gave boran Güler minutes last year, without Kemzura he had zero minutes. Under Pistiolis, Sadik Kabaca´s role is much bigger. Djordjevic gives even a bum like Metecan Birsen minutes etc. etc. etc. etc......without real EL-players, success will always be very short and don´t expect that the clown ergin ataman will give turkish players minutes in EL, this is just a big dream.........
You are right, SF or PF, there is almost no difference anymore but if a very young player like Kerem Konan shows PnR potential, creating his own shot and working on his ballhandling, then it´s clear this player must play SF for his development.
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Well, this is correct. We need a core out of EL players, serious EL players. For this it is crucial to build a habit of using Turkish players but FB as well as Efes were too ambitious to prepare players for serious roles for EL. The problem is not that these clubs dont use Turkish players. They would have if they had been ready. Our players just dont go to weaker teams to get used to the EL. No Turk from Istanbul would want to live in Kaunas. This is what we need to change and in order this to be happen they need to prove themselves in lower levels and this is happening right now. We have enough young guys who are living abroad in Spain, Serbia, Macedonia etc. and I dont believe Ataman is against using them. He just doesnt trust them thats all. Sanli is the best example of it.
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It is almost impossible to reach the level of France and Serbia in short term. You can beat them, but this will never mean we are a better off basketball nation unless we change whole basketball education. France has built a great system recently, they export approximately 10 high level players in a year and they started to do it regularly. Erman Kunter has great analysis on French basketball and its recent improvement. It can be found on the net. I highly appreciate what they have done in the last decade and they should be a role model for us.
On the other side, we barely produce high level players, let's say 2 players from each generation and naturally some of these talents rot and we get only 5 players from 10 generation. Serbia and France manage to get 20 players from 10 generation although they rot some talents like we do, their talent pools are too big to compensate this. Huge difference.
As I always say, Turkish basketball is the biggest potential in Europe. But we still couldn't learn the utilize this potential properly. In order to leap forward, basketball education in youth setup needs to be reapproached. It always amaze me how authorities don't ask themselves that why we always produce only role players but not star players like we had in past. Because basketball has changed, concepts have changed yet the Turkish basketball education has remained same.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
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This is a big and false myth in turkish bb. Turkish bb did never produce more star prospects in the past. Haluk Yildirim(72), Semsettin Bas(73), or even we can´t call Hüseyin Besok(75), Serkan Erdogan(78) as star players. The difference is that in the past those players had the opportunity to play at least 30mpg and take 15fg per game. This is very simple but this is the truth about past and present turkish bb. Of course Serkan Erdogan is 10 times better version of Melih Mahmutoglu etc. Harun Erdenay, Ibrahim Kutluay, Mehmet Okur were the real star calibre talents in turkish bb. Hidayet Türkoglu isn´t a typical star too, he had a good NBA career but overall overrated, almost in every Eurobasket the worst player of the whole tournament. Pretty sure that he would never had the impact of Siskauskas, Papaloukas etc. in EL if he would stay in Europe.
Osman Nurveren(07, C) is 205-6(without shoes) kid from Kayseri. I watched some games of the U14 NT(Youtube, Osman Nurveren was the only U15 player in the team). He is a classic big, in whole Europe this kid would play as modern big......Most likely we will see him soon in Istanbul. Has very good touch under basket, will be over 210 and solid physical tools.
In this U14 team, some important players from the 08 generation were present like Ali Özülkü(Fener, PG), Atilla Gülecyildiz(Besiktas, F)
but other players like Ömer Ege Ziyaettin, Efe Doran Turhanoglu etc. were missed. But i saw 1 unnoticed player in the team,
Mustafa Ozan Celik(Ege Asist Izmir, SG), this kid is just a jewel, a raw jewel. I hope Ege Asist and TBF know what this kid means,
he is a very special potential, i hope he will get special attention from TBF and will work with good coaches. We could see him soon in Istanbul. His height is big for a very young SG(born in September), i hope he will not be too big for a SG. Phantastic 1v1 potential, athleticism and physical tools. Could be a top3 talent in the turkish bb in 1-2 years.
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Who is the star right now? Nobody. No player carry this team on his own. You are already proving my point. In the past, we at least had one player that is labelled as the leader of the team. Okur, Erdenay, Kutluay, Türkcan, Aşık or like or not Türkoğlu were all leaders and arguably stars in basketball world. We got one Eurobasket silver and one WC silver with the leadership of these players. Can you dream of a medal right now with freaking Osman and Korkmaz taking the helms when the things matter on the court? What is worse than having no star in your roster is that having average players who show off themselves as star players as Osman and Korkmaz does.
The thing is that we have never had a lot of quality players in our talent pool, but we had enough number of them to get 2 medals in a decade. Now, we have none. We will never have another one unless we keep up with the changing basketball concepts.
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We had and still have trouble with distributing roles. You are right with all the things above. We had a drought of more than 10 years and were forced to give that role to an overwhelmed Cedi Osman 2017 following. Normally, Korkmaz was the talent who should have taken over that role. Being not that aggressive he rejected to take the responsibility. This time we need to find another Turkish leader besides Larkin. Larkin is a glue guy for the next 1-2 years and I am sure Sengün will be the other guy who will take the responsibility at least on the offensive end.