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Turkish Prospects

CoachZ said:
What season with Ewing? He hasn't played a game. Also you do get that NCAA level of basketball is several notches below EL basketball.
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Yeah of course I meant the preparation with him and what Ewing said about him.

The things you are saying are just journalist and "insider info" bits that have no actual value when evaluating prospects. Let's see him play this year, then we can see if he is actually any better.
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Well I watched more games than 5-6 and I know his problems and I wont deny that you pointed them out correctly. You have a respectable bb knowledge without a doubt but I think you have a negative attitude against turkish player so it seems. Maybe because you are pissed because i criticized some greek prospects idk but its ok.

About Yurtseven: he is slow footed and he is soft and that wont change much but his main problem was strength and he knew it and according to Ewing himself he solved that problem. Rim Protection is not great but he will be ok with experience and timing but youre right. Lets see some games.

He was counted nba ready...
 
Toruko said:
Na na, Its not without an excuse. He changed the University and couldnt leave the states because of visa issues. US-Schools are very strict with presence.

You Fener guys should stop hating on him because he didnt want to get shouted of ZOC. Its his fucking right to choose another path.
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Firstly, I can hate on anyone without your great advice. But it's not hate. If you truly believe being a mediocre player in NCAA who is projected for second round (because apparently he didn't develop anything yet other than his age) is better than being a star in Europe like Doncic with one of the greatest coaches, ok, we will see if you're right. I doubt it. He could always have physical/strength training when he got there like, again, Doncic and many other European stars did. I simply believe he wanted out of Turkey because of stupid non-basketball reasons which further diminishes my respect for the guy
 
vivo said:
Firstly, I can hate on anyone without your great advice. But it's not hate. If you truly believe being a mediocre player in NCAA who is projected for second round (because apparently he didn't develop anything yet other than his age) is better than being a star in Europe like Doncic with one of the greatest coaches, ok, we will see if you're right. I doubt it. He could always have physical/strength training when he got there like, again, Doncic and many other European stars did. I simply believe he wanted out of Turkey because of stupid non-basketball reasons which further diminishes my respect for the guy
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Why are you comparing him with Doncic? You expect from a center not much nowadays. They should be able to protect the rim, being able to run closeouts, rebound, run fastbreaks and some offensive versatility. If I say Europe I mean nt opponents of course since I dont expect him to play in Europe in the next years. Never said he is as precious as a doncic.

About his development. I think he developed better than he could ever do with Fener.
 
CoachZ said:
I watched 5-6 NC State games the season before last in NCAA and I don't see the hype. Slow footed and soft. Yes, he has size and length, a soft touch around the rim but he is often not able to get position in the post, since he has no strength or the motor to fight for the low post position. He can run a bit in the transition, open floor, he finishes OK there. Midrange game is OK, but still a very, very streaky shooter. Defensively not really a rim protector, but can be a body inside. Can't make a difference in PnR defense, where he is constantly exposed.

He also lacks aggression and assertiveness. Questionable motor in many situations. Rebounding for my taste leaves a lot to be desired, especially for a 7-footer. Not a great rebounding rate for someone who should dominate in the NCAA due to his size. He is also not a great passer, a bit of a black hole once he gets the ball in the post. Makes turnovers etc.

Don't see how is he the next hope at C for Turkey.
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All what your writing is correct. He is overrated but the point is he will not replace top bigs, he will replace Erden etc.....
 
CoachZ said:
I watched 5-6 NC State games the season before last in NCAA and I don't see the hype. Slow footed and soft. Yes, he has size and length, a soft touch around the rim but he is often not able to get position in the post, since he has no strength or the motor to fight for the low post position. He can run a bit in the transition, open floor, he finishes OK there. Midrange game is OK, but still a very, very streaky shooter. Defensively not really a rim protector, but can be a body inside. Can't make a difference in PnR defense, where he is constantly exposed.

He also lacks aggression and assertiveness. Questionable motor in many situations. Rebounding for my taste leaves a lot to be desired, especially for a 7-footer. Not a great rebounding rate for someone who should dominate in the NCAA due to his size. He is also not a great passer, a bit of a black hole once he gets the ball in the post. Makes turnovers etc.

Don't see how is he the next hope at C for Turkey.
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It is really very good breakdown for Yurtseven and I appreciate your knowledge yes he has all those flaws in his game but you are too much focus on deficiencies. He has reall good weapons on offensive ends of the game polished some outstanding skills, very good post moves especially his sign move hook shoot is really smooth. Even if being not that fighter he has no big problem to get position on post thanks to his big body and power. Even he is very promising beyond the arc improved a lot his three pointer shoot.

For NBA career your breakdown is perfect and these shortcomings will prevent him from being an elite NBA player but when it comes to FIBA basketball he is more than enough. When you have made objective evaluation it is extremely joy to ready you posts but you are really biased for Turkish players. Other than Yurtseven your remarks on Korkmaz same as focused on full of deficiencies as well.
 
Nakz said:
4- Omer KUCUK
The only positive thing about Omer Kucuk was his consistent 3 point shooting. Other than that, he will not become a top level player, due to lack of athleticism. He will turn into an Ali Ton type of player in the end :)
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I was a huge Ömer Yasir Kücük fan, i thought even he could be a superstar. He never has elite ballhandling(coach Cem Akdag says he is the best turkish ballhandler, of course this is just bullshit) & his passing was never good and now it´s just horrible, he has no feel for the moment at passing therefore the result is always a to. But i ignored that because he was great on 1-1 with his unpredictible moves at U16 but now he even can´t beat his opponent, he has no vision, no handling etc. he is just garbage.......

The position PG is just too difficult. I was a big fan of Eray Akyüz at U14, he led Banvit as MVP, i was a fan of Atakan Erdek at U14(he had played PG but he was SG/PG) he also led Banvit as MVP, Berkay Yilmaz was MVP and even more dominant as Eray Akyüz......now all 4 players are garbage......but maybe in the next years it could be different, those are still "kids".

Now this https://www.instagram.com/yagiz_aksu/?hl=de player has moved to Bandirma from small club Borusan(Istanbul). Yagiz Aksu is also a PG/SG and born in 2006, he is also looking like a great talent at this stage, he is already 185 with great physical tools and a great scorer. In the upcoming generations you will see much more offensive upside amoung turkish players. I had followed all our players from U12-14-16-18 etc. we always lacked players with individual talent, good players on 1-1, shot maker etc. but in the upcoming generations it will be different. At U14 you could easily see the great upside from Tibet Görener, he had played PG but he was(and is) a typical turkish static player. https://www.instagram.com/demirdogan13/ Demir Dogan from Bandirma is already 195, also with great physical upside but much more active, more versitale on offense as Tibet Görener. Both players will play for Bandirma´s U14 & U16 teams in the next season.
 
Tahir Kaplan Açı Gençlik
Kaan Berk Tarla, Berkay Dönmez, Berke Zorlu, Ali Alperen Ayaz Anadolu Efes
Enes Furkan Er An Kavra
Ahmet Aslan Basket Spor
Emir Arda Sivas, Burak Fehmi Kuzu, Arda Özdoğan, Damir Uz, Halil İbrahim Aksoy Bandırma Kırmızı
Ege Borcali, Ahmet Ata Özbek Beşiktaş JK
Tolga Öz Bursa BŞB
Boran Süzen Darüşşafaka
Kaan Beşok Ege Basket
Ege Gençer Ege Elit
Atakan Murat Biçer Erenköy FMV Işık
Ulaş Merdoğlu, Kaan Karakurdu, Alp Sarıkaya, Ege Çağan Akbay Fenerbahçe
Ata Arda Gül Galatasaray
Kerem Öge, Onur Efe Aslantürk Genç Karşıyakalılar
Mehmet Efe Demirel Kocaeli Basket
Özgür Cengiz Rota Koleji
Arda Tekiner Ted Ankara Kolejliler
Arda Konuk, Evren Demirci, Can Çevikel, Alparslan Efe Gülden Tofaş
Demir Ecer Zafer Koleji
Cem Karakaya

U15 NT camp. First tournament for the 2005 generation. 34 players, 16 players from Istanbul, 6 players from Izmir, 5 players from Balikesir, 4 players from Bursa, 2 from Ankara, 1 from Kocaeli.

Efes player Kaan Berk Tarla(SG) is the brother of Bekir Mert Tarla(02), much more talented and already bigger as his brother. Tolga Öz(PF) is Efes´ player and not Bursa BSB. Tolga Öz is maybe the most talented player of this generation.

Bandirma has talented but very small PG Emir Arda Sivas, hard driving guard Burak Kuzu(SG) and typical turkish C with fat, unathletic body Halil Ibrahim Aksoy but for me he is interesting.

Ata Özbek(SF/PF) of BJK is probably the best prospect of this generation at this stage. Very talented player, could be a huge prospect.

Boran Süzen(SG)

Fener has 2 very interesting prospects. Ulas Merdoglu is a talented offensive C/PF and almost 210 but very soft, at this stage he is as soft as Emre Bayav(87, softest big of all time). Alp Sarikaya is a SG with interesting potential.

I don´t know the height of Ted Ankara Koleji´s PF Arda Tekiner. That´s the big quostien mark with him. Is he just over 190 or 195 and more etc. With good PF-size he is very interesting prospect with offensive talent and rim protecting. But i just saw him against weak Ankara teams.

Tofas has SG Arda Konuk, son of Murat Konuk(72), brother of Mert Konuk. Very raw but interesting big Evren Ekinci and SG Can Cevikel.

Kaan Besok is probably the son of Hüseyin Besok(75).

Early bloomer Alp Ako(SG), the scorer/shooter of Galatasaray is missing because he is too good for this level.
 
TurkfromGermany said:
Tahir Kaplan Açı Gençlik
Kaan Berk Tarla, Berkay Dönmez, Berke Zorlu, Ali Alperen Ayaz Anadolu Efes
Enes Furkan Er An Kavra
Ahmet Aslan Basket Spor
Emir Arda Sivas, Burak Fehmi Kuzu, Arda Özdoğan, Damir Uz, Halil İbrahim Aksoy Bandırma Kırmızı
Ege Borcali, Ahmet Ata Özbek Beşiktaş JK
Tolga Öz Bursa BŞB
Boran Süzen Darüşşafaka
Kaan Beşok Ege Basket
Ege Gençer Ege Elit
Atakan Murat Biçer Erenköy FMV Işık
Ulaş Merdoğlu, Kaan Karakurdu, Alp Sarıkaya, Ege Çağan Akbay Fenerbahçe
Ata Arda Gül Galatasaray
Kerem Öge, Onur Efe Aslantürk Genç Karşıyakalılar
Mehmet Efe Demirel Kocaeli Basket
Özgür Cengiz Rota Koleji
Arda Tekiner Ted Ankara Kolejliler
Arda Konuk, Evren Demirci, Can Çevikel, Alparslan Efe Gülden Tofaş
Demir Ecer Zafer Koleji
Cem Karakaya

U15 NT camp. First tournament for the 2005 generation. 34 players, 16 players from Istanbul, 6 players from Izmir, 5 players from Balikesir, 4 players from Bursa, 2 from Ankara, 1 from Kocaeli.

Efes player Kaan Berk Tarla(SG) is the brother of Bekir Mert Tarla(02), much more talented and already bigger as his brother. Tolga Öz(PF) is Efes´ player and not Bursa BSB. Tolga Öz is maybe the most talented player of this generation.

Bandirma has talented but very small PG Emir Arda Sivas, hard driving guard Burak Kuzu(SG) and typical turkish C with fat, unathletic body Halil Ibrahim Aksoy but for me he is interesting.

Ata Özbek(SF/PF) of BJK is probably the best prospect of this generation at this stage. Very talented player, could be a huge prospect.

Boran Süzen(SG)

Fener has 2 very interesting prospects. Ulas Merdoglu is a talented offensive C/PF and almost 210 but very soft, at this stage he is as soft as Emre Bayav(87, softest big of all time). Alp Sarikaya is a SG with interesting potential.

I don´t know the height of Ted Ankara Koleji´s PF Arda Tekiner. That´s the big quostien mark with him. Is he just over 190 or 195 and more etc. With good PF-size he is very interesting prospect with offensive talent and rim protecting. But i just saw him against weak Ankara teams.

Tofas has SG Arda Konuk, son of Murat Konuk(72), brother of Mert Konuk. Very raw but interesting big Evren Ekinci and SG Can Cevikel.

Kaan Besok is probably the son of Hüseyin Besok(75).

Early bloomer Alp Ako(SG), the scorer/shooter of Galatasaray is missing because he is too good for this level.
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wow man, thanks for the info, Great!.. I just wanna ask about Alp Ako, what did you mean by that statement?, is it a sarcasm, or he is really good? and in general, do you think 05-06 generations are better then their predecessors?
 
gockun said:
wow man, thanks for the info, Great!.. I just wanna ask about Alp Ako, what did you mean by that statement?, is it a sarcasm, or he is really good? and in general, do you think 05-06 generations are better then their predecessors?
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No, he is really very good but he is an early bloomer, that is the problem, his upside is questionable. In May 2019 he was just 182-184 with a massive body. It´s always an advantage for the next levels as a young player if you have a good height for your position. Look at other G/F´s from the past, Tolga Gecim, Furkan Korkmaz, Metecan Birsen, Okben Ulubay, Egehan Arna, Cedi Osman etc. all of these players had a size advantage for their position and then reached pro level. Look at the current U16, Batin Tuna is the best player there, at U14 he was over 190, Berkay Yilmaz was the best player at U14 but now he is just average. Look at 2004 players Eray Büyükcangaz & Efe Tahmaz, now both are promising prospects, both always had height advantages.

Alp Ako will most likely already the best player of Galatasaray´s U16 next season because he is very good at this stage but what will come at U18? Fener has Göktug Gücoglu(04), he is very similar to Alp Ako, both can create their own shot, can beat their opponent on 1-1 etc. Not anymore Melih Mahmutoglu´s in turkish bb and that is the important point, it´s not important if the 05-06 generation is good or not, important is that finally our prospects are playing better bb. At the U16 EC we already saw that 2 players from the 04 generation were by far the most talented players of our team. The biggest problem in turkish bb is offensive talent, individual talant. That will change with the 04 generation and the following ones. Why i´m a big Ata Özbek fan? because he is not a typical static, passive turkish player, he is a great offensive player with good body.

Batin Tuna is a solid prospect and will reach pro level but he is not a star prospect. Turks always think if a player had a bit stats he is a star prospect/scorer.
 
Guys,

Who is Ezekel Davo whom basketfaul talks about? Apparently, He is another Nigerian origin player, but there is no info about him on inthernet (at least, I could not find any via google).
 
Toruko said:
They are really exaggerating. I have no problem with Muhaymin Mustafa and Bona but everything else is exaggeration.
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They have found a mine they must be thinking... Ezekiel Davo... No Turkish name yet?

Muhaymin Mustafa is the one I have no issues with; born in Turkish side of Cyprus, grew up in Turkey.

Adem Bona being at the right age for FIBA's acceptance limit is fishy. How old does Ezekiel "look"?
 
Levenspiel said:
They have found a mine they must be thinking... Ezekiel Davo... No Turkish name yet?

Muhaymin Mustafa is the one I have no issues with; born in Turkish side of Cyprus, grew up in Turkey.

Adem Bona being at the right age for FIBA's acceptance limit is fishy. How old does Ezekiel "look"?
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Well he looks way older and i am sure he is like i am sure about bonas age is his real age. Well the kid did nothing wrong and its good to build prospects for basketball but i dont want him in the turkish nt but on the other hand everyone can apply for the turkish passport. Biberovic refuses to play for bosnia by himself but this is ridiculous.

From his presence and behaviour he is at least 18 or 19 i would say.
 
so, Turkish NT starting 5 in a few years:

- Wilbekin
- Mustafa
- Biberovic
- Ezekiel (randomly guessing the position)
- Bona

Not good, we need to replace Biberovic with a black kid. :p
 
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