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Turkish NT for 2006 World champs

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Hello gentlemen, caught game 1 on tv last night and even though I was disappointed to see Atsür sitting on the bench and absolutely astounded at how badly they were shooting from the free-throw line (are they allergic to the rim? unbelievable!), this is a tough tough team! Their defense is going to take them very far in this championship. I am officially a Turk fan now. :)
 
We have a very crucial allergy in shooting ft's. That's a typical problem for every Turkish team. However, you are a bit lucky my friend.;)

The reason: If you had watched our Turkish team in the last 4 years, you would say: I will boycott this team.;)

That's the first tournament in which we are showing some great dicipline and heart and finally we can say: We are proud of watching Turkey
 
I'll take lucky, I cheer for North Carolina State. . . :p BTW Atsür shot 78% from the line last year, 84% in conference games.
 
It's really annoying, because even the good ft-shooters like Erdogan misses a lot.

Tuesday's game againts Brazil will be decisive in the group. If we win, the worst result could be the second place. But this team has more potential. There are some very important players underachieveing so far. Think of a well-performing Erdogan, Akyol, and Arslan trio!!
 
btw: It seems that we are improving our 1-3-1 zone, aren't we?

Just look at the Qatar game at Istanbul: We played an horrible 1-3-1 zone
 
could be a lot of turnovers against Brazil if they don't tighten up that ball-handling, yeah? . . . those youngsters got sloppy at times against LTU .
 
mktackabery said:
could be a lot of turnovers against Brazil if they don't tighten up that ball-handling, yeah? . . . those youngsters got sloppy at times against LTU .
I guess you mean Ender Arslan's turnovers. Unfortunately, he's sloppy by birth, and did some more today... for that reason the coach had to use our SG (Erdogan) as playmaker againts Australia in the most critical moments.

But, he has some special powers, also :D, and we are eagerly waiting to see those...
 
First of all about the Semih over Oguz thing. I agree with Tanjevic on this one for the simple fact that Semih is our tallest player. Oguz is one of my favourite players, but he is like 2.07 and has limited athletic abilities. Yes he got good post up moves, but neither he or Semih are on this team for their offensive abilities. They are on the team, because when our normal big men rotation has foul trouble we need somebody would can defend the fort for a few minutes. In this role I think semih is more suited.

And I seriously hope that Tanjevic considers Engin Atsur, I mean it isn't because he would have a worser performance then the PG's we have now. With Hakan"I see ghosts"Demirel and Ender"I think I am Ray Allen"Arslan. If you need to play your two shooting guards at the end of a game, because you don't have faith in your PG's means you have a big problem. Still baffles me why C?neyt Erden isn't on this team.
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sariss said:
I guess you mean Ender Arslan's turnovers. Unfortunately, he's sloppy by birth, and did some more today... for that reason the coach had to use our SG (Erdogan) as playmaker againts Australia in the most critical moments.

But, he has some special powers, also :D, and we are eagerly waiting to see those...

Yes, I did, LOL. Arslan has special powers? Eager to see that. :rolleyes: I personally consider Manu Ginobili to be a Jedi Master, so if Arslan can do some flying spin maneuvers too, I'd love to see that. Tanjevic just needs to put Atsür on the floor! Engin has some Jedi moves of his own.

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Yeah I also hope Engin gets some playin time to show his skills. Atleast he won't lose the ball or slip 10x a game like Ender is doing now.
 
Spike said:
First of all about the Semih over Oguz thing. I agree with Tanjevic on this one for the simple fact that Semih is our tallest player. Oguz is one of my favourite players, but he is like 2.07 and has limited athletic abilities. Yes he got good post up moves, but neither he or Semih are on this team for their offensive abilities. They are on the team, because when our normal big men rotation has foul trouble we need somebody would can defend the fort for a few minutes. In this role I think semih is more suited.

And I seriously hope that Tanjevic considers Engin Atsur, I mean it isn't because he would have a worser performance then the PG's we have now. With Hakan"I see ghosts"Demirel and Ender"I think I am Ray Allen"Arslan. If you need to play your two shooting guards at the end of a game, because you don't have faith in your PG's means you have a big problem. Still baffles me why Cüneyt Erden isn't on this team.


why i beleive that in Europe we have serious problems with point guards.So many national teams lacks of a real good PG
 
mktackabery said:
Yes, I did, LOL. Arslan has special powers? Eager to see that. :rolleyes: I personally consider Manu Ginobili to be a Jedi Master, so if Arslan can do some flying spin maneuvers too, I'd love to see that. Tanjevic just needs to put Atsür on the floor! Engin has some Jedi moves of his own.

Atsur_04.jpg


Hi mktackabery,
how are the Wolfpacks doing these days? Hopefully they are not causing too much trouble for my Tar Heels:))
I got my MBA in Chapel Hill so its great to hear from someone in NC. And if this person is a fan of a Turkish player its even better. I was there between 99-01 so I witnessed only one final four appereance but still I can't forget the atmosphere in the Dean Smith Dome...its quite different from Euro basketball game.
I was wondering if you could give us a scout report on Atasür because most of us have not seen him play extended minutes(I have not seen him play at all)... is he a pure PG or a shoot-first distribute-second kind of PG/SG kind of player. Does he have a quick first step? How about his range and transition game?

Thanks,
Özgür
 
parso said:
I was wondering if you could give us a scout report on Atsür because most of us have not seen him play extended minutes(I have not seen him play at all)... is he a pure PG or a shoot-first distribute-second kind of PG/SG kind of player. Does he have a quick first step? How about his range and transition game?

Thanks,
Özgür
Hi Özgür,

I would never pass up a chance to talk about my favorite subject, even with a Carolina fan;)! How nice to talk to you. You know exactly how the basketball fever is over here then. . .

NC State has been playing a slow-tempo, "Princeton"-styled offense that needs stop-and-pop perimeter shooting guards. Atsür is perfect for that offense. Atsür is deadly from the far corners and has a sweet layup. Not a traditional PG, he doesn't have explosion and quickness. What he does have is hustle, precision positioning and complete ball-control. He knows exactly what his weaknesses are and he knows where opponents will try to take advantage of him. He outhustles them every time.

Some of the intanglibles: sportsmanship - he is always polite to opposing players and coaches, makes lots of friends. You can tell this because when other teams come to play in the RBC Center, the coaches come say hi to Engin and shake his hand. I can never get good pictures of this from where I sit (way up high in the third tier), but Roy Williams from UNC must be a big Atsür fan, because he comes and talks to him every pre-game warmup when we play them. Which I personally think is about the coolest thing ever. I call him the "Ambassador."

-hustle. Atsür always gives up his body for the ball. He's in the bench, he's in the rim, he's in the floor, he's diving.

-teamwork. Atsür is very supportive of his teammates, especially the more emotional ones. He doesn't get worked up and he can calm the guys down who get mad. He played with Julius Hodge, a very explosive player who lost his temper a lot. Engin could calm Julius down. Last year he became a much more visible leader to the younger players and the walk-ons. He will be the only starting senior on the NC State roster next year and the default general of the team, and I know he will do an excellent job leading our team. Believe me, we are going to need it. We lost everybody and we have a brand-new coach next year.

Some highlights from his Wolfpack career to date:

Second-Team All ACC, 2004
All-Freshman ACC Team, 2004
Led NC State in three-point shots 2004, 05, 06
Led NC State in deflections and steals, 2004, 05, 06
(NC State tracks deflections - I don't think other schools do this)
Avg: 10.8 PPG, 41% 3PT, 44% FG, 78% FT, 3.6 Reb, 3.4 Assists, 38.1 mins per game (games in NCAA are 2 20-minute halves)
Career high: 23 points against Wake Forest, 3 March 2006

2005: His sophomore year he came back built up from his conditioning by 15 lbs and prepared to be a top-notch defender in the ACC. He got a lot of yawns. Europeans don't play defense! Then came J.J. Redick and Duke. Atsür gets Redick, a junior who is averaging 28 points a game and seems to be unstoppable. Atsür stays on him like a lovesick puppy. Redick can't shake him, Redick can't shoot. Redick fouls out after managing to shoot only 8 points. It was the lowest-scoring game for Redick all year. Suddenly Atsür gets his name pronounced correctly on tv and the radio by announcers who don't work for NC State!

An anecdote you might like: Chris Corchiani, an NC State basketball legend who played basketball in Turkey and adopted a child from there, brings his son Kevin, now 24, to the games. Kevin and his friends, buddies of Engin, start bringing a huge Turkish flag to the games to wave around, jumping up and down and singing songs in Turkish, and harass opposing teams in Turkish. Supposedly they say "Engin is your daddy" and "Eat ball," but as nobody reporting this knows Turkish, they could be saying something much worse;).

More fun with Engin: Engin stayed part of last summer in Raleigh and played ball at the Chavis league, the oldest rec league in Raleigh where every big NBA star from the ACC has played - Jordan, Olajuwon, Thompson, you name it. Atsür and the Evtimov brothers (Ilian and Vasco) score a combined 40 points in his only outing, but all anyone can talk about is Atsür's haircut - or lack thereof. Engin doesn't cut his hair all summer. On the NC State boards, they start referring to it as the "Euro-fro." Atsür escapes to Turkey for the rest of the summer before he has to hear the endless speculation as to whether he intends to keep the 'fro or cut it back. Hey, I never claimed that North Carolina is a sane place to live. We are all basketball-mad around here.

2006: Ilian Evtimov, a red-shirt senior, is the leader of the team, but the Raleigh News & Observer, the largest local newspaper, chooses to do its annual one-player-per-local-ACC-team spotlight on MY FAVORITE PLAYER and calls the article "Turkish Delight." The article starts off informing everyone that Atsür has cut his hair because he didn't want Coach Sendek, who is balding, "to get jealous." We also learn that he likes to cook, go snowboarding, play ping pong and soccer, and play practical jokes on his teammates. Young women everywhere sigh. On to basketball . . . Just one week before Atsür is due to leave to try out for the Turkish NT last spring, State announces it has hired Sidney Lowe, former NC State PG who was on Jim Valvano's 1987 NCAA Championship team, to coach the Wolfpack. Engin tells the media at the press conference he plans to come back for his senior year. The rest of the Wolfpack Nation sighs in relief.

We all expect that Engin will have to be a more traditional PG with Coach Lowe than he was under Sendek. Last year he spent a lot more time moving the ball up the floor, more driving to the basket and less of the stop-and-pop. In the game against Wake, his best performance of the year, most of his points came when he drove straight down the lane and scored the layup.

To me his greatest strength lies in his ability to figure out what the other team expects him to do, getting in that position so that they think they have him, and then doing something else. He has really learned to read the opponent, the floor and make the calculations he needs to get the bucket.

And now that I have talked your ears off, here's another picture for you of Atsur in his NCSU TMacs, blowing past Justin Gray in that afore-mentioned Wake game:
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man, big thanks for this review. I promise you that you cannot read this kind of information in the Turkish media. The only information I get about Atsür is his statistic performance. But we are more interested in this kind of information you wrote. Hopefully we can discuss about Atsür in the upcoming season here
 
np guys I will be glad to post about Engin's games when the NC State season starts in November. In the meantime can anyone tell me where the name "12 Giant Men" came from?
 
Hey mktackabery thx for this nice info on Engin.

mktackabery said:
np guys I will be glad to post about Engin's games when the NC State season starts in November. In the meantime can anyone tell me where the name "12 Giant Men" came from?

The name "12 Giant Men" (Turkish translation 12 Dev Adam) came from back in 2001, where the main sponsor of the Turkish national team made a commercial with this name in it for the players. So after that year, everyone called the Turkish national B-ball team that way.
 
So let's talk about Engin's chances to see some minutes in the next games. I will throw in followng theory:

1) He won't play against Brasil

2) He will definitely play against Qatar (perhaps with major minutes)

3) In case Turkey knocks down Brasil he will see some minutes against Greece, because the worst case is a 2nd place in case of a win tomorrow

Let's sum up: Atsür will definitely play (but not tomorrow). If he can proof Tanjevic that he's more successfull than Arslan-Demirel in distributing, he will be considered much more in case Turkey makes the next round. That's my theory
 
thanks for the explanation about the name! I know Engin has little chance to play, but I hope he does anyway so you can see him and fans in Turkey can get to know him; I know he has high hopes for his professional career when he goes back home. I am lucky, I get to see him for one more season when he comes back to school, and he starts every game he plays here. He almost beat the NC State record for most consecutive starts, but he was late to practice one time last year and Sendek didn't let him start (he was disciplined about that kind of thing). Other than that one game, he has started every single game he has played for North Carolina State. That is no small accomplishment in the Atlantic Coast Conference. Best of luck against the Brazil boys. :)
 
Just to point out how a player's impression can change in people's minds. Look at my words about Kutluay 3 months ago! :D
(am I the only one who has to eat his words about him?)

sariss said:
PG: Kerem Tunçeri, Tutku Açik, (Can Akin)
SG: Ömer Onan, Baris Özcan, (Erkan Veyseloglu)
SF: Cenk Akyol, Rasim Basak, Cevher Özer
PF: Ermal Kuqo, Kerem Gönlüm, Mirsad Türkcan
C: Kaya Peker, Oguz Savas, (Semih Erden)

Without Kutluay, Turkoglu and Okur, that players above will make a real warrior team, something which I want more than anything else. Mirsad Türkcan finds his true identity in this kind of rosters, and plays much better (otherwise he's a walking problem machine!).
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Both forward positions seem weak a little; for this reason I'm afraid Kutluay will be chosen for the NT, and that could ruin everything.
 
mktackabery, thanks for all that info. It's a shame we didn't ask you this before. I'm sure, in time, Engin will be a part this team, since he was a constant nt member in youth levels.

btw, I suppose you are a lady, right? The one who was not offended by the misunderstanding about selling accessories to women :D.

Akyol said:
btw: It seems that we are improving our 1-3-1 zone, aren't we?

Just look at the Qatar game at Istanbul: We played an horrible 1-3-1 zone

It seems that we are using it quite efficiently in this tournament. I was at that Qatar game (in Ankara ;)), and you cannot believe how frustrated I was. To my luck, we saw the worst aspects of our team that day. I suppose that's why the preparation games are held.

At that time I failed to notice it, but there was a clue in Qatar game about the resilience of this team. Remember, we saved the game in the last 1 mins from about a 10 points deficit :eek:
 
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