Turkish NT 2017

[Levenspiel2]

Everytime I saw him handling the ball and going to the ring it made me cringe... So far in the tournament he is a liability rather than a contributor to the team.

on his defense, Guler is a SG, trying to play PG. He is very quickly out of ideas when his initial plan does not work out. and it usually end up either with a desperate shot or turnover. I really like Sinan, but he's not playing well. He could play as SG better next to Sipahi maybe.

 

[okanial2]

on his defense, Guler is a SG, trying to play PG. He is very quickly out of ideas when his initial plan does not work out. and it usually end up either with a desperate shot or turnover. I really like Sinan, but he's not playing well. He could play as SG better next to Sipahi maybe.

That`s how we start to games and we start really bad. I`m certain he will never be as good as he used to play under Ataman

 

[Levenspiel2]

That`s how we start to games and we start really bad. I`m certain he will never be as good as he used to play under Ataman

maybe it's simpler than that, he's 33 now. I did not witness those terrible starts, but Sarica might have the same idea.

I have a bit of mixed feelings about the extra effort our kids have to display. It is obviously quite satisfactory, but it's a little bit sad on the other hand, similar to watching a 60hp haci murat trying to keep up with 400+ hp M3s, etc on a climb. Sympathy is there, but you won't win any race unless significant modifications are done.

 

[Nakz2]

Totally agree with Guler opinions. I really like his sportmenship and attitude, however his time is done unfortunately. He actually never was a major offensive threat imo. Only because of his athleticism, experience and willingness he created opportunities for himself and the team at Gala in the last 3/4 years. You could already see his declining performance last year, which all relates to his age and playing style..
He should not have a major role in the offense at the NT, all he does is make turnovers or make crazy shots. Hes defense is still ok, when looking at the overall quality of the rest of the team.

Is Furkan Aldemir injured? He is a steady contributor and good rebounder and should be used a lot more. He did not play at all against Serbia, while you could see Semih was tired in the last quarter..

 

[slice me nice2]

I am content with the performance of young core of the team. What really matters the most is how Korkmaz, Osman and Sipahi are performing in this tournament since they are regarded as the first players that represent the metamorphosis in NT. They have showed some pleasing promises in preparation period and tournament. This is just a message straight to Turkish basketball community that our target players from recent generations can lead the NT if they are paved the way for playing in their club teams. Korkmaz is the most suitable sample man for this case, he had been rotting on Efes bench and lost his confidence. He questioned his career and made a very good decision by moving to Banvit. Regaining confidence, standing a very good role there and centring basketball into his life were the things remained him from Banvit days. He is a great acquisition for Turkish basketball, he came out of deep mentally to the apparent ground. Only if Ulubay would have not committed a suicide by joining Daçka, he would make a good effect on this Turkish team. What's done is done, there is nothing to do on past.

2020 Olympics is the realistic goal for us. If the federation takes timely precaution to avoid these players rotting, I highly see us joining Olympics. Driving 2 or 3 quality players from the new generation through NT bound every year is achievable. Just brainstorming to see who may leap forward this season given that projections on roles in their teams;

PG: Berk Uğurlu and Kadir Bayram
SG: Erkin Şenel, Yiğit Arslan, Alp Karahan, Enes Taşkıran and Tayfun Erülkü
SF: Tolga Geçim and Erkan Yılmaz
PF: Ege Arar, Metin Türen
C: Ömer Yurtseven and Berke Atar

Speaking for 2017-2018 season, these players are likely to be considered as the NT player candidates next summer.

 

[Levenspiel2]

I am content with the performance of young core of the team. What really matters the most is how Korkmaz, Osman and Sipahi are performing in this tournament since they are regarded as the first players that represent the metamorphosis in NT. They have showed some pleasing promises in preparation period and tournament. This is just a message straight to Turkish basketball community that our target players from recent generations can lead the NT if they are paved the way for playing in their club teams. Korkmaz is the most suitable sample man for this case, he had been rotting on Efes bench and lost his confidence. He questioned his career and made a very good decision by moving to Banvit. Regaining confidence, standing a very good role there and centring basketball into his life were the things remained him from Banvit days. He is a great acquisition for Turkish basketball, he came out of deep mentally to the apparent ground. Only if Ulubay would have not committed a suicide by joining Daçka, he would make a good effect on this Turkish team. What's done is done, there is nothing to do on past.

I'm an Efes supporter, but this is true. Once the main developer prospects, Efes has become a graveyard of talents after Ivkovic's first year. (Even Guler and Atsur wasted valuable years at Efes). There was a sharp turn then, I don't know why. Ivkovic was giving crucial minutes to Korkmaz, Cedi, Baykan, Kosut on EL games, and we actually lost a few games due to that, NN game in Russia for example, but then suddenly he stopped. Probably something went wrong with the management.

the thing is, Efes is still has the best and hottest prospects (Bitim, Mustafa, Saybir, etc) along with Banvit on youth levels. I really hope Efes changes itself. or those kids run away and save themselves.

 

[Levenspiel2]

PG: Berk Uğurlu and Kadir Bayram
SG: Erkin Şenel, Yiğit Arslan, Alp Karahan, Enes Taşkıran and Tayfun Erülkü
SF: Tolga Geçim and Erkan Yılmaz
PF: Ege Arar, Metin Türen
C: Ömer Yurtseven and Berke Atar

yeah, we like to fantasize about our bright future, but it's getting gloomy the way the teams treat the prospects. Hope this tournament shows them the way, if they care that is.

so my comment on your fantasy roster would be as follows

PG: Berk Uğurlu and Kadir Bayram
--> Always a sub to Ugurlu at youth NTs, Kadir has actually developed better imho.

SG: Erkin Şenel, Yiğit Arslan, Alp Karahan, Enes Taşkıran and Tayfun Erülkü
--> Erkin has obviously improved over last year, great run with u18, and he will be with senior team at Banvit. I'd take Arslan and Taskiran here, thye gotta make that jump this year. I'm afraid Erulku is a lost cause (isn't he a PG?), and Karahan was never impressive (to me). I also like Mert Cevik, the guy can shoot and he's getting ok minutes.

SF: Tolga Geçim and Erkan Yılmaz
Good candidates. also Arna. We cannot disregard Ulubay yet either. isn't Yilmaz a PF?

PF: Ege Arar, Metin Türen
Arar was already better than all our current NT bigs, except Erden, he'll be there for sure. Turen, not so optimistic. Durmaz is a better candiate, and he should be getting minutes (hopefully).

C: Ömer Yurtseven and Berke Atar
they should break out or get close to that, yes. Also (still) Egemen Guven and Emrican Kosut. Ahmet Can Duran is I think relegated from the prospects by now. Alemdaroglu will be at STBL this year, he was once a bright prospect too.

 

[slice me nice2]

the thing is, Efes is still has the best and hottest prospects (Bitim, Mustafa, Saybir, etc) along with Banvit on youth levels. I really hope Efes changes itself. or those kids run away and save themselves.

Seeing Bitim, Mustafa and Saybir in Efes roster is a little bit worrisome unlike what most of the Efes fans think. 6 foreigners+2 washed-up Balbay and Batuk in league roster will dominate the minutes. They may only play in garbage time which doesn't improve players as we have seen most of the time. Efes should loan these guys with great potential to a team where they can get consistent minutes. Terminating the link with Pertevniyal was a very bad choice as it seems. Osman and Korkmaz had taken the first step in senior basketball in Pertevniyal. Federation shouldn't allow teams to make young players sitting on bench just to fill the domestic player quota. That's beyond stupidity.

 

[slice me nice2]

--> Always a sub to Ugurlu at youth NTs, Kadir has actually developed better imho.

Actually there was no particular order among my list. I just the wrote the names that came to my mind in a minute without thinking too much They both need to develop a lot to contribute in NT, but Kadir Bayram has a good work ethic. Recently been in US and worked with few player development coaches.

--> Erkin has obviously improved over last year, great run with u18, and he will be with senior team at Banvit. I'd take Arslan and Taskiran here, thye gotta make that jump this year. I'm afraid Erulku is a lost cause (isn't he a PG?), and Karahan was never impressive (to me). I also like Mert Cevik, the guy can shoot and he's getting ok minutes.

Erülkü is a combo-guard, but a more SG to my taste. Mert Çevik is a catch and shooter, nothing more (he is quite good at it though).

Good candidates. also Arna. We cannot disregard Ulubay yet either. isn't Yilmaz a PF?

Yılmaz is a pure SF. I don't see Arna cracking the rotation.

Arar was already better than all our current NT bigs, except Erden, he'll be there for sure. Turen, not so optimistic. Durmaz is a better candiate, and he should be getting minutes (hopefully).

Durmaz is too overrated I think. Türen doesn't have a high ceiling, but can be a good back-up PF option for this team in future.

they should break out or get close to that, yes. Also (still) Egemen Guven and Emrican Kosut. Ahmet Can Duran is I think relegated from the prospects by now. Alemdaroglu will be at STBL this year, he was once a bright prospect too.

Güven and Koşut are the prospects that I dislike. Both character and talent wise. Lazy and soft players. Duran is injured and even if he would be healthy, don't think Obradovic would trust him even in league. Alemdaroğlu is done. Already a second-league traveler. Sad.

 

[Black.Mamba2]

TBF should build a U21 team in BSL, U19 team in B1L as soon as possible.
Clubs generally add young players as 11th-15th, they may dislike this idea but TBF can give them extra foreigner spot to solve the problem.

 

[Nakz2]

I am content with the performance of young core of the team. What really matters the most is how Korkmaz, Osman and Sipahi are performing in this tournament since they are regarded as the first players that represent the metamorphosis in NT. They have showed some pleasing promises in preparation period and tournament. This is just a message straight to Turkish basketball community that our target players from recent generations can lead the NT if they are paved the way for playing in their club teams. Korkmaz is the most suitable sample man for this case, he had been rotting on Efes bench and lost his confidence. He questioned his career and made a very good decision by moving to Banvit. Regaining confidence, standing a very good role there and centring basketball into his life were the things remained him from Banvit days. He is a great acquisition for Turkish basketball, he came out of deep mentally to the apparent ground. Only if Ulubay would have not committed a suicide by joining Daçka, he would make a good effect on this Turkish team. What's done is done, there is nothing to do on past.

2020 Olympics is the realistic goal for us. If the federation takes timely precaution to avoid these players rotting, I highly see us joining Olympics. Driving 2 or 3 quality players from the new generation through NT bound every year is achievable. Just brainstorming to see who may leap forward this season given that projections on roles in their teams;

PG: Berk Uğurlu and Kadir Bayram
SG: Erkin Şenel, Yiğit Arslan, Alp Karahan, Enes Taşkıran and Tayfun Erülkü
SF: Tolga Geçim and Erkan Yılmaz
PF: Ege Arar, Metin Türen
C: Ömer Yurtseven and Berke Atar

Speaking for 2017-2018 season, these players are likely to be considered as the NT player candidates next summer.

How about Eray Akyuz, I think he will be the No.1 PG of this NT in the future. He has a high BB IQ, can pass and shoot. Although I like Berk Ugurlu, he is limited due to his shooting (reminds me a bit of a PG version of Sinan Guler). I also think Arna will develop into a solid NT player.

 

[slice me nice2]

How about Eray Akyuz, I think he will be the No.1 PG of this NT in the future. He has a high BB IQ, can pass and shoot. Although I like Berk Ugurlu, he is limited due to his shooting (reminds me a bit of a PG version of Sinan Guler). I also think Arna will develop into a solid NT player.

Akyüz is my favorite Turkish PG prospect The thing is, this list is not the 'Future Turkish NT', it is just who will come into prominence incoming season. It is just a projection by basing upon one year long period. Akyüz is good, he can be ready until 2020.

 

[Levenspiel2]

The tourney is over for us. No success to record, but tons of hope to build on. This seems to be our underlying theme for the last decade on NT; prospects & hope.

let's rate the team.

every and each players gets full credit for effort.

[TABLE="width: 479"]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Grade[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]replacement (today)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]D. Balbay[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]B. Ermis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]K. Sipahi[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S. Guler[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]M. Mahmutoglu[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G. Koksal[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]M. Baygul[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F. Korkmaz[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]C. Osman[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E. Veyseloglu[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]T. Gecim[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]B. Hersek[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E. Arar[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S. Sanli[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F. Aldemir[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]O. Yurtseven[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S. Erden[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[CoachZ2]

The tourney is over for us. No success to record, but tons of hope to build on. This seems to be our underlying theme for the last decade on NT; prospects & hope.

let's rate the team.

every and each players gets full credit for effort.

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[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Grade[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]replacement (today)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]D. Balbay[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]B. Ermis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]K. Sipahi[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S. Guler[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]M. Mahmutoglu[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G. Koksal[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]M. Baygul[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F. Korkmaz[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]C. Osman[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E. Veyseloglu[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]T. Gecim[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]B. Hersek[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E. Arar[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S. Sanli[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F. Aldemir[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]O. Yurtseven[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S. Erden[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Send Koksal our way, we will send back Bircevic

 

[janketa2]

The tourney is over for us. No success to record, but tons of hope to build on. This seems to be our underlying theme for the last decade on NT; prospects & hope.

let's rate the team.

every and each players gets full credit for effort.

[TABLE="width: 479"]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Grade[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]replacement (today)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]D. Balbay[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]B. Ermis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]K. Sipahi[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S. Guler[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]M. Mahmutoglu[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G. Koksal[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]M. Baygul[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F. Korkmaz[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]C. Osman[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E. Veyseloglu[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]T. Gecim[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]B. Hersek[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E. Arar[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S. Sanli[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]F. Aldemir[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]O. Yurtseven[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S. Erden[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Melih 8
Korkmaz 6

I agree about other players

 

[Levenspiel2]

Send Koksal our way, we will send back Bircevic

thanks. take him for free...

 

[janketa2]

At the end seems that we were in the hardest group
Three teams from our group passed rather easily to QF.
We had more or less egal games with all teams in the group but missed player who is capable to break the game. In Fener Dixon is doing that all the time and we needed him a lot.

 

[slice me nice2]

At the end seems that we were in the hardest group
Three teams from our group passed rather easily to QF.
We had more or less egal games with all teams in the group but missed player who is capable to break the game. In Fener Dixon is doing that all the time and we needed him a lot.

Dixon? No thanks, let him be yours. Playing irrelevant naturalized players in NT is just a way to deceive ourselves. If the federation is after this kind of easiness to solve the problem, they should resign without thinking without a second. No more naturalized player in this NT. We are fed up with cheap moves through saving the day.

 

[janketa2]

Dixon? No thanks, let him be yours. Playing irrelevant naturalized players in NT is just a way to deceive ourselves. If the federation is after this kind of easiness to solve the problem, they should resign without thinking without a second. No more naturalized player in this NT. We are fed up with cheap moves through saving the day.

You missed the point of my post like always. It's not about Dixon personaly, we were good through the tournament but missed player who can break the game like Bogdan did against us. We don't have one and what we should do now? Wait 20 years for "basketball killer"? Do you understand how close we were to make something big on our homecourt? We were close in all games but couldn't break three games in a row.
If you have better then Dixon name him. One naturalizad player doesn't change anything in aspect of national feeling
There is one thing I agree - quality of naturalized player. If that is mediocre like Preldzic I would say No thanks too. But Dixon isn't mediocre and he proved that many times.

 

[slice me nice2]

You missed the point of my post like always. It's not about Dixon personaly, we were good through the tournament but missed player who can break the game like Bogdan did against us. We don't have one and what we should do now? Wait 20 years for "basketball killer"? Do you understand how close we were to make something big on our homecourt? We were close in all games but couldn't break three games in a row.
If you have better then Dixon name him. One naturalizad player doesn't change anything in aspect of national feeling
There is one thing I agree - quality of naturalized player. If that is mediocre like Preldzic I would say No thanks too. But Dixon isn't mediocre and he proved that many times.

I didn't point out Dixon personally. He is a good player. But, if you are okay with seeing naturalized players in NT, then there is no point to discuss. Naturalizing someone can be understandable if only you begin taking a step in to that specific sport to make it more popular in your country. We are talking about a sport which is the second popular one in this country and has recently been feeding up with a lot of investments. If you naturalize a player even under these circumstances, it is not a good sign as country basketball.

If you don't have a game changer, then deal with it. Appreciate the others who have them. Try to learn from them. Try to produce. At least try. Sorry, but I don't like the idea that we are being a typical Tier-3 team that lives and dies with the incentives of a naturalized player. It is not about national feeling or something. It is just that I am against of people who are trying to downgrade this team with this meaningless moves.

Also, thinking Dixon would change the fate of this team is not jibing with the truth. He is ain't special as he proved in 2015 and 2016 in NT.