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Toruko2
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Guys I have a question for you. Would you play Eurobasket 25 with two bigs Sengun - Bona or would you put four shooter around Sengun. What do you expect from Bona in his current state.
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Toruko2
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Furkan Korkmaz finally started to look like himself. He still has a long way to go but he definitely shows glimpses of the old Korkmaz. He lacks speed and strength rn but a rotation with Osman, Korkmaz and Biberovic is freaking frightening.
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Camoka2
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I think Ataman does not know so much about Adem Bona. He never mentioned him. I do not think that Ataman is following games for young guys not just Adem Bona also Tunca and Mutaf. Maybe Sarp Ataman knows him and tells his father but thats all. As of today, he prefers Yurtseven and Sanli over him and probably there are only two spots in the roster for these three guys.
However, in the best case scenario, Bona will be invited and shocked Ataman during the training camp. He has some similarities with Wenny Gabriel.
Therefore, probably, Bona will come from bench and won't spend much time with Sengun. We probably see a lot of Sengun-Sanli or Sengun-Yurtseven or Sengun-Osmani minutes.
In the perfect world, Sengun-Bona would be very good. I think he is very important for us and his impact can be more in the FIBA court.
However, in the best case scenario, Bona will be invited and shocked Ataman during the training camp. He has some similarities with Wenny Gabriel.
Therefore, probably, Bona will come from bench and won't spend much time with Sengun. We probably see a lot of Sengun-Sanli or Sengun-Yurtseven or Sengun-Osmani minutes.
In the perfect world, Sengun-Bona would be very good. I think he is very important for us and his impact can be more in the FIBA court.
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Toruko2
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Ataman might not know much about Bona but he has Ender Arslan as his Assistant and he always talks about him. There is no way he is not getting invited.
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TurkfromGermany2
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Adem Bona most likely doesnt want to play for this NT, Larkin doesnt want, Biberovic same etc. and Erxhan Osmani too. Torukos goal is anyway a turkish NT full of refugees.ataman will use Bona max for 10 MPG.
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Toruko2
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ataman will use Bona max for 10 MPG.
You should change your head. It got stucked in the 19th century. If I looked at the last tournaments it seemed to me that Larkin was more eager to play than a Furkan Korkmaz.
10 Minutes are already enough
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Toruko2
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I think the team for the next 10 years is set. Now we have to lift as many guards as possible as the main decision makers in their teams. It doesnt need to be Euroleague level but I think it is going to happen with Melih Tunca. His season was not great but also not bad. Seeing meaningful playing time in the Turkish BSL is great. Playing for a second league team too would have been ideal though.
I also have an eye on other play makers.
The lock and hope for the NT is surely Omer Kutluay but Kaan Onat shows also potential to make plays although he is not the born play maker. I like his relentless style, never give up attitude.
Derin Can Ustun was a bit of a disappointment but his problem is strength and speed. Still have high hopes on him.
Sarper David Mutaf is very inconsistent rn but I see a very valuable combo guard in him. Reminds me of Sloukas a bit.
Not too sure about Kerem Erdem of Galatasaray, still worth observing
The surprise of the season is surely Yalin Yildiz.
I also have an eye on other play makers.
The lock and hope for the NT is surely Omer Kutluay but Kaan Onat shows also potential to make plays although he is not the born play maker. I like his relentless style, never give up attitude.
Derin Can Ustun was a bit of a disappointment but his problem is strength and speed. Still have high hopes on him.
Sarper David Mutaf is very inconsistent rn but I see a very valuable combo guard in him. Reminds me of Sloukas a bit.
Not too sure about Kerem Erdem of Galatasaray, still worth observing
The surprise of the season is surely Yalin Yildiz.
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Straight forward2
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Toruko2
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Right, zero guards, but the team is set for 10 years
We are gonna solve that problem.
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Toruko2
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I am really in deep thoughts who we should take to Eurobasket Sertac Sanli or Omer Yurtseven. I am at this point locked on to the matchup with Lithuania. Sanli would be very helpful to make Valenciunas run but we need a body inside to restrict him but Yurtseven showed a very good performance against Monaco too. It would be very sad if we could not take such a roller to Eurobasket
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Toruko2
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OK, I came to the conclusion that we dont need Sanli if we have Osmani.
Look at the front court rotation btw. Ercan Osmani, Alperen Sengun, Omer Faruk Yurtseven, Adem Bona and lets say Yigitcan Saybir. You have everything for every need.
Look at the front court rotation btw. Ercan Osmani, Alperen Sengun, Omer Faruk Yurtseven, Adem Bona and lets say Yigitcan Saybir. You have everything for every need.
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Toruko2
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What a first half of Melih Tunca against FB btw. 14 points and 3 rebounds against one of the best teams Europe's. At this point I am pretty sure that we have already solved our PG problem. Melih Tunca is too talented to be question marked. Still one year with TT Ankara then he should be able to make a jump to the Euroleague.
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Camoka2
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I think Sanli presents different options for our national team. Bona comphansates Yurtseven game with better defence. Both are lob threat and finisher around the rim. On the other hand, as you stated, Sanli would be very helpful to make bigs like Valanciunas, Jokic etc. run and create more space for our guards. His shooting gives more option like he did against France and Gobert.
We experienced Yurtseven and Sengun duo against Croatia and we failed it. Zubac and Saric were too much in the painted area.
Also I trust more Sanli than Yurtseven as a body inside. He proved it through his Euroleague career. He can stay vertical. Yurtseven is softer and makes fouls easier. I do not count Jaiteh as a real test. The guy barely can hold the ball.
Considering all of them is in good shape. It would be ideal like;
Sengun, Sanli, Bona
Osmani, Saybir
Saybir has been good this season. Of course he is limited but he has a good forward size. He can match guys like Wagner, Buzelis, Krecji (the Czech guy) and maybe Markanen. We need some help to Osman for defending forwards.
We experienced Yurtseven and Sengun duo against Croatia and we failed it. Zubac and Saric were too much in the painted area.
Also I trust more Sanli than Yurtseven as a body inside. He proved it through his Euroleague career. He can stay vertical. Yurtseven is softer and makes fouls easier. I do not count Jaiteh as a real test. The guy barely can hold the ball.
Considering all of them is in good shape. It would be ideal like;
Sengun, Sanli, Bona
Osmani, Saybir
Saybir has been good this season. Of course he is limited but he has a good forward size. He can match guys like Wagner, Buzelis, Krecji (the Czech guy) and maybe Markanen. We need some help to Osman for defending forwards.
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Toruko2
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Sounds very legit to me.
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Straight forward2
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Depends what you expect at 1. He has size and nice length I believe, great motor, passion for the game (which is not the case for every single Turkish player) and I think his shot will come a long to at least decent level, maybe even solid. He can pass. But what stands out instantly he has no elite smoothness in his movement, when he spins he doesn't do it quickly enough, when he accelerates from stance or shifts he's not fast enough. He's a bit heavy footed, even tough elevates nice speed in transition. From little I've seen he will lack that a degree of shiftness and skill at the half court offense. I really don't see him as big time PG answer for the NT, but he could be a solid back-up for a winning NT. Watch that first possession, he just takes too much time to spin and to hit the brakes in the drive. That's what separate stars from other human being:
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Toruko2
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What we need is a guy who can initiate p&r action and has different options there. He should be able to create after taking the pick his mid range jumper, pass to the rolling big or kick it to the wings. Being a bit slow is not a big problem if you know where to put the ball on the ground. Doncic is also very slow but he has some advantages because of the size and ball control. I dont say Tunca is like Doncic but he has a solid size and has a good court vision and passing skills. Way better than our best PG in Turkey
We dont need him to be able to beat guys on one vs one. He should be able to drills open three pointer create some mid range jumper out of p&r action and create for others.
We have superb screen setting and rolling bigs. Bona and Sengun are awesome at this point. They create so much space for the guard it is like heaven for them. It will work 100%. We just need to make sure that Tunca is growing step by step. He has one more year with TT Ankara and we all expect his role growing next season.
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IDK, I see Tunca as the guy who may reach EL level, more like yes than no, but even with him it's not 100% given, I mean that he becomes true EL player, not just some local Turkish player. Yes, Sengun and Bona can cause multiple damage in p'n'r and in Alpi case p'n'p too, but to win today you need big time guard. And Tunca is not that tier. I don't even talk about like lottery pick or whatever, but something draftable at least, who would be 110% EL material and even something to consider for the NBA. Tunca lacks a degree of feet work and I have a hard time seeing him making Turkey winning. PG is essential position. I only see legitimate chance for Turkey to become true force if that little dude Kutluay pans out. That dude is talented. So I see a scenario when Turkey is winning with Kutluay, Bibervic, Segun, Bona. But that's only a chance for 30s and still I don't find Turkey as deep as top teams. ATM, Turkey hangs our somewhere between 8-18 FIBA teams and can only expect over-achievement in EB. Later in 2027 and 2028 it will be even harder cause you don't have elite guards and that stage is even more competitive.
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You are kind of too fixated on a hero ball guard. Look at Lorenzo Brown 2022. A top pick and rolle navigator was enough to win Eurobasket. You saw a very modest Polish team beating Doncics Slovenia in the semi final.
Which European country has this go to guy hero ball unstoppable guard except Slovenia? Right, nobody. As a European country you need a guy who can make the right decisions. Its not like you play in the NBA against top notch guards. A solid starting European guard who can finish games by making the right decisions is more than enough.
The Turkish team has its shortcomings. Shot creation from the back court, wing defense even rim protection and the wings are not top level ball handlers for their positions. Furkan Korkmaz is still the best in that area but neither Biberovic nor Osman are at the level we would want them to be but between 8-18 depends only on the last results of the team.
The Turkish team measured by roster strength is surely among the top 5 easily.
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Toruko2
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Our main problem is the play making guard. We should not be so dependable on Larkin or any other naturalized player. This is our main task our main objective for the following two years.
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Straight forward2
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LOL, no dude You like mentioned all the bad things about NT and then summarized that it's top 5 team 
Brown showed some massive performances in EB in the knock out stage. Like dropping 28 on Lithuania and 29 on Germany. Dude was elite of elite when it comes to EL at that time. And still he overachieved a little bit which helped tremendously. That Poland was a fluke I'm talking about becoming a force on daily basis. And, yes, you need big time guard, like Dragic in 2017, Rubio in 2019, De Colo and Fournier in 2021, Brown and Schroder 2022, Bogi 2023 and so on.
Doncic, Bogi, Schroder, previously Fournier. Legitimate NBA players leading NTs. With time it's nearly impossible to win without elite EL or whatever NBA guards.
You like mentioned all the bad things about NT and then summarized that it's top 5 team Brown showed some massive performances in EB in the knock out stage. Like dropping 28 on Lithuania and 29 on Germany. Dude was elite of elite when it comes to EL at that time. And still he overachieved a little bit which helped tremendously. That Poland was a fluke
I'm talking about becoming a force on daily basis. And, yes, you need big time guard, like Dragic in 2017, Rubio in 2019, De Colo and Fournier in 2021, Brown and Schroder 2022, Bogi 2023 and so on.Doncic, Bogi, Schroder, previously Fournier. Legitimate NBA players leading NTs. With time it's nearly impossible to win without elite EL or whatever NBA guards.